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I just checked the Concert page. They've not listed Machinae Supremacy either.

Why they should be on the concert list - The video is fan-made, and sucks.

Whenever I can't really concentrate I put my head phones on, helps me focus on what I'm doing. Something really fast paced works best for me because it doesn't afford laid back mind wandering (like Rise Against, Alensa, Atreyu, and of course Machinae Supremacy)....it puts me in "rock out" mode....except its just me...rocking out to coding...err..I'm such a dork. But really, moving from the desktop speakers to headphones for a few hours really helps me.

It's fairly easy to build up a fanbase like that. The Swedish Band Machinae Supremacy, which plays something they call SID Metal, offer most of the songs that don't make it on their albums as free downloads on their site. They offer some of the songs that do make it on their albums there, as well. For example, their last album was released in two versions - one from their website, one via retail*. Someone who has bought one version can go to their site and download the tracks he didn't buy.

This has gotten them my attention. I mean, free music! What's not to like about that? You listen to your free music, you like it and then you decide that you want to support the band that was nice enough to entertain you for free. And they have a new fan.

Yeah, I shamelessly plugged them. They deserve it. Not onl for their muic but also because they show that a band can make a decent living without subscribing to the MPAA's "omg copying is teh evul" stance.


* They did that because they and the publisher couldn't agree on which tracks should go on the album.

You definitely need to listen to the intro on this song then:

http://music.machinaesupremacy.com/machinae_suprem acy-hybrid.mp3

I'm still waiting for the potential hilarity when people start mashing up other movies Weaving has done, like "Transformers".

The Underground Edition of REDEEMER was released at the opening of the MACHINAE SUPREMACY webshop (a.k.a The MACHINAESHOP) on March 28th 2006, and the band broke even on the album production costs in only a few hours.

Example please? I doubt that an untrained noob programmer is capable of replicating a $100+ commercial software package like MS Office or Photoshop or What-Have-You 3.0. Hell, there's a lot of brilliant people working on projects like OpenOffice and The Gimp, and they've been at it for years, and they still aren't quite there yet.

I've got a buddy I go to class with who, back in his day, wrote a program in VB that'd pull up all your network stastitics of a specific computer. A few years later, some company produced the exact same program (with just rearranged code) that was selling for about $40.

"The record companies are ALREADY screwing the artist up the ass, so it's okay if I do it too!" No.Think of it this way. The artist uses the record company to help sell their album. To get the word out. To get people interested in the artist. The record company, however, uses the artist to bring in assloads of cash for something that they only put a shiney ribbon around. If you download the music illegally, you're hurting the record company, and helping the artist. Musicians make very little money for CD sales anymore. They get more money from donations and selling stuff themselves than they get from the record company.

So, pirating music hurts the record company (which, in my opinion, they totally deserve), and helps the musician out even more than buying the CD. Sure, the artist might get a buck or two, per CD sale, but more people donwload music than buy it, and thusly, more people hear about the artist that way.

There's a SiD metal group called Machinae Supremacy that I've gotten really into lately. How'd I first hear about them? By grabbing random songs from a buddy on IRC. So, because of piracy, they got a new fan, who happened to enjoy the music so much that they actually went and bought the CD. Looks like piracy only brought these guys something good in the end.

Besides. Musicians should be doing it entirey for the music, anyway. Not the money.

Nope. Or at least, not run-of-the-mill CD-Rs sold in the United States. There's the "Music CD-Rs" that cost a lot more than "Data CD-Rs" and have the piracy levy built into the price, but nobody uses those.

Actually, the tax applies to both. The "Music" CDs are just a nametag added by the manufacturer, to try and trick a poor consumer into spending an extra buck or two. The tax still goes for both because of the fact that they're the exact same thing. Blank media that's perfect for piracy.

No, you probably won't. The courts aren't immune to common sense; if they prove that a computer was used for piracy and you own that computer, they're going to assume that you are responsible for that piracy unless you present a compelling case for why you are not.

I wouldn't even need a lawyer to explain to a judge in under five minutes how an IP address only identifies the person who's paid for the internet access, and how very possibly somebody could've parked their car outside my house and downloaded the files from my unprotected wireless router. Once the court understands how the network works, then it'll be blatantly obvious that there's no solid proof of who downloaded what. At this point, the RIAA has absolutely nothing against you, other than suspicion, which doesn't work as solid evidence in court.

Trust me. People have actually won court cases against the RIAA using the same method.

the word 'hobo' comes to mind. also Hubnester Inferno anyone? seems like the site is likely to crash and burn just like in the song... looks bad too.

We come to help, we deliver a savior
this is your chance at salvation
we can not abide by the savage behavior
of those in command of your nation

We turn over the stone as we poke
and harvest the world in democracy's name
And even though our own is a joke
we need yours to be all the same

We are the ones who are setting you free
now you can share our beliefs and be just like we
We bring you out from under tyranny
and into our economy

When it's all too late you will discover
that wanting to help is a lie
this is what we do, we exploit under cover
swift like a thief in the night

And when you're free to consume and to use
we will service you with everything we produce
Take it or leave it but know this one truth
We market this freedom for you
Live free or die.


http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/

What's more, if the band self-pen and self-produce they get all those writing and production royalties themselves.

This is really evident with Machinae Supremacy, who turned down a record deal because they wanted to keep the rights to their songs, which gives them the freedom to do stuff like offering everything that doesn't make it into an album (and even some songs that do) as free downloads on their website.

Yeah, once again it's the Swedes who have the best stance on music on the internet. Go Sweden.

That's like saying that since a movie is shown on HBO, that there is nothing harmful to the movie maker when the fans never buy the DVD, but just make a digital copy off of digital cable TV.

There is nothing harmful to the movie maker when the fans never buy the DVD, but just make a digital copy off of digital cable TV. When the company licensed the movie to the TV station they did so knowing that people would make copies (and accounting for it). The customers' right to make copies of what's on TV has been cemented in Sony v. Betamax. What do you think why TV only gets the movies about a year after the DVD came out? Beause DVD sales are already low enough that the TV airing only makes an insignificant dent.
Besides, at least in my country there is a levy on all recording equipment and media which compensates for exactly this. So yes, it is not harmful for the content creator at all because I have already paid them.


You're not sticking it to the man, but rather sticking it to the very people who are getting fucked over by The Man.

I am. Because the levy reimburses mainly the artists and not the labels. At least in Germany.


I'm still waiting for an alternative system to come into existance going on seven years after people started saying that Napster would give birth to one based on viral marketting and internet sales. Guess what? It hasn't happened.

There are many alternative systems. Not in mainstream music, mind you, but some bands even manage to get along while offering one third of their stuff for free download. Independent artist have sold their stuff themselves in the past and they will continue to do so. The internet is making life much easier for them - in 1990 I would hardly know about an independent band from Sweden, but today they have constant word-of-mouth advertisement all over the planet.


The best that we can hope for is to change the middleman's behavior the way that the antitrust trial forced Microsoft to stop pointing a knife at OEMs' throats.

That's pretty bleak, givn the fact that DoJ vs. Microsoft changed pretty much nothing.


Just don't expect the content creators to accept a world in which they are forced to rely on good will and honest behavior.

I expect them to offer me something I'd actually buy. iTunes is an example of a service I'd actually use (I don't due to them only supporting payment via credit card and prepaid cards but not direct debit; maybe I'll give those cards a try, though), because it doesn't unnecessarily impede me. Removing the DRM is easy and the program does not take any actions against it. So I buy the stuff essentially unencumbered (ignoring the minor quality loss from recompresing the stuff).
Any kind of DRM that actually tries to be serious will not cut it for me. Either it's trivial to circumvent or I consider the file/medium broken.


Simply taking content you want because it is not sold at prices and DRM terms of your liking is wrong, and dangerous, because the next generation might grow up thinking that that rule applies to jewelry, cars, electronics and other physical property.

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I think there's no need to further comment this quote.

Very true, PPOT are great.

Seriously, good music hasn't died out. Just listen to PRESS PLAY ON TAPE's free stuff. And then buy their CDs.
I'm currently listening to Polysics (link to WP because their site ain't that great), who make quite nice music and quite strange videos. Another nice Asian band is YMCK, who make bleepy, cutesy bitpop. (Whoa, they've released their second album? Let's hope that their extrajapanese distributor gets it in stock soon.) And of course there's Machinae Supremacy, the ultimate Swedish SID Metal band. Return to Snake Mountain, anyone?

There's a lood of great bands out there. You just have to find them.

Whaaa? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the iAudio playing Machinae Supremacy vorbis files.

Relive the happy old days, listen to machinae supremacy's SIDologies. Part 2 was released today (~13min, 17.6MB), completing the trinity. You can get the other two parts from their website.

Agreed 100%. I, much like many of the users around here, love the new means of finding music online, such as great sites like Overclocks Remix and by bands such as Machinae Supremacy who publically give music out for free on their own.

If you want another band that hates the RIAA, check out http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/news.htm

If an artist has 10,000,000 fans, sure if 10% of potential customers download the music and don't buy it, they will lose money. But consider this. If an artist has 10,000 fans, and 90% of them download the music, sure only 10% of the profit is made. But lets say they play GOOD music. You have a portion of that 90% illegal download crowd that actually likes it, and they tell their friends. All of the sudden that 10,000 starts growing, and people buy merchandise. Case in point: http://machinaesupremacy.com/ They offered songs for free, which I liked. They then put out 2 sample songs for a for-sale-cd, which I downloaded and liked. I then proceeded to import the CD and I am glad I downloaded their music. Music downloading only hurts small time artists whose music sucks. Face the facts.

For those of you who enjoy the minibosses and other music incorporating videogame's into their music I would recommend checking out Machinae Supremacy, they even offer their music for download in Ogg Vorbis. :)

The link you provided to their site doesn't seem to be working, probably the server configuration or my isp and the lack of the www prefix. http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/ for anyone else having the same problems.

I've been listening to them for years and and can highly recommend them to pretty much anyone. They are currently looking for a new publisher as their last one closed down unfortunately.

Well, I don't know that band, but there is my favorite band, Machinae supremacy who makes almost all their tunes availaible on their website. Even better, they distribute as mp3 AND ogg. Some months ago, I was wandering on their forum while downloading their lastest album. Some people were debating over the "illegal" bittorrent release and one of the band player wrote that they don't care about piracy, as long as it helps them to get known and makes people happy. 5 sec later, I was buying their cd online. I think a band with such enthusiasm for their music to be shared merits my money.

Machinae Supremacy is one band that actually distributes their music for free, in mp3 and /Ogg Vorbis/.

You can head over to their download page with twenty-nine available songs. They also have a soundtrack containing twenty-eight songs available on the discography page along with songs from their first album.

Highly recommended that you check them out. Great band.

Machinae Supremacy is one band that actually distributes their music for free, in mp3 and /Ogg Vorbis/.

You can head over to their download page with twenty-nine available songs. They also have a soundtrack containing twenty-eight songs available on the discography page along with songs from their first album.

Highly recommended that you check them out. Great band.

Machinae Supremacy is one band that actually distributes their music for free, in mp3 and /Ogg Vorbis/.

You can head over to their download page with twenty-nine available songs. They also have a soundtrack containing twenty-eight songs available on the discography page along with songs from their first album.

Highly recommended that you check them out. Great band.

I still prefer SID Metal :)
"The Great Giana Systers" and "Sidology" by
Machinae Supremacy.
http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/

btw: "The Great Giana Systers" was a Great Mario Clone on the C64.

I miss the days when games like Command & Conquer were released with their own original soundtracks that weren't the all ambient or orchestral. Sadly it does seem like they just don't make games like that anymore, at least the ones from the big publishers/developers.

Thankfully there is still independent developers out there making games with great soundtracks thankfully. One in particular that comes to mind is Jets'n'Guns. While the game might not be a high budget production with graphics that requires the latest and greatest hardware nor does it have the most deep and involving story ever created but it does have the most important aspect down, its fun, unlike most games released this day and age. Not only is it fun, but it has the best soundtrack I've ever heard in a game. (Even as good if not better than C&C TD/RA which I considered to be the benchmark which to compare all soundtracks to.) The soundtrack is by Machinae Supremacy and you can download it from their discography section and I highly recommend you check it out.

For those of you who enjoy the minibosses and other music incorporating videogame's into their music I would recommend checking out Machinae Supremacy, they even offer their music for download in Ogg Vorbis. :)

I can only give you two great URLS:
http://remix.kwed.org/ for c64 remixes and the homepage of a SID-metal band: www.machinaesupremacy.com. You can find there free great songs to download!

Well... sometimes flash site navigation ain't too bad:

Machine Supremacy has nice flash nave on Their Site

It's fancier than your standard HTML/JavaScript, but still easy to find what you want (and there is an HTML version if you don't want the fanciness).

And of course, there are lots of rather neat little flash movies abounding, much better than badgerbadger

Welcome to Rivendell Mr. Anderson

Welcome to Rivendell Mr. Anderson

The 6581 Sound Interface Device is a neat IC. It has both digital and analog components to it. The band Machine Supremacy uses a SIDStation in their music. It's a really interesting sound, and they have a whole bunch of compleat (!) tunes for download in MP3 and OGG format.

What happened? I'm using it for all my music, and most game developers are using it for both music and sound-fx. Machinae Supremacy are still releasing songs in Vorbis, etc, etc.

Try the tuned aoTuV version at q -2 and up.

There is no end to the Legion of Stoopid.

As time goes
The lies unfold
But once you know
you forget what you were told

They twist and redefine
The truth they tell is true to them only
They claim divine
And assemble at the frontlines
You're out of line
if you question or speak your mind
they want you blind
Stupid and behind

Yield!

reminds me of the vacuous big hair metal bands of the 80's.

For something different, Machinae Supremacy instead. Nothing beats screaming guitars backed by a SID6581...

Not only that, MS have free downloads in ogg format...

Amen!

>Well, there is not many CDs that last more than 70 minutes.

Maybe not, but most of the ones I buy do. But I'm also not the least bit interested in pre-encoded content, I can (and do) encode it myself if a want to.

I just picked up Pain of Salvation - Be from my mailbox this afternoon, and it's playing time is 1:15:58.

>Huh? I think I missed something

See other comment. The ideas been done, but with WMA instead of MP3.

For instance, if you buy the Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element (Limited Edition) you'll get two CDs, one of which contains both audio tracks and data session with a 'website' containing additional material; interviews, mpegs of their videos and mp3s of some of their older- and demo-tracks. Total play time: 1:32:30 in audio tracks plus 36:30 in mp3s (music, more if you count the audio interviews).

And those are just a couple examples.. let's see, before that I bought the Machinae Supremacy album. That too plays for more than 70 minutes.

Two words: Machinae Supremacy http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/

If you haven't heard of Machinae Supremacy yet, I recommend you check them out. They are a very cool Swedish band who mix different styles, play with synths a lot, and are self-professed gaming nuts.

In the current context, The Great Gianna Sisters is particularily salient. It's a remix of / tribute to the theme song of the C64 game of the same name. Excellent stuff.

If you haven't heard of Machinae Supremacy yet, I recommend you check them out. They are a very cool Swedish band who mix different styles, play with synths a lot, and are self-professed gaming nuts.

In the current context, The Great Gianna Sisters is particularily salient. It's a remix of / tribute to the theme song of the C64 game of the same name. Excellent stuff.

It's not like you could provide both MP3 and Vorbis like machinae supremacy is doing to reach *both* normal people and Vorbis geeks. Machinae has gained quite some publicity under geeks for their Vorbissupport - they were one of the first after all.

Ah yes... and the band Machinae Supremacy that uses that SidStation in their music... it's absolutely fantastic.

I know what you mean. Idea: assuming you don't have 10GB of *new* music and a lot of that is older CDs, Ebay them or something - obtain a legal copy cheaply, and don't give the cartel your money.

You could also download some music legally, of course, or buy from non-cartel musicians (I have CDs by two of the artists I linked, and a third one on order).

"Students learn to repeat the program's motto: ''If you don't pay for it, you've stolen it."

That is so incredibly wrong I don't even know where to start.

Don't forget: "...students are asked to write an essay 'to get the word out that downloading copyrighted entertainment is illegal and unethical,'"

Its so easy to find an example of copyrighted music free for download that isn't illegal.

If they had this program when I went to school, I'd probably have been suspended for subversion.

<"I just haven't heard anything new I'd like to buy"

The last few weeks I've ordered two copies of Machinae Supremacy - Deus Ex Machinae, and one each of Dark Tranquillity - Live Damage (DVD), Dia Psalma - Efter Allt, In Flames - Soundtrack to your escape (digi) -- and just now I'm thinking that maybe I should complete my collection with a few more old albums on CD, like In Flames' Colony and Lunar Strain.

Let's see..
Number of albums from hugh evil record labels: 0
Number of albums with copy-prevention mechanisms: 0.
Yes, all good.

Sue the world if you will, I still won't buy from the people you represent. Also, I saw a Swedish IFPI-representative on the news this morning and she said that they (Swedish branch) wouldn't get involved in litigation just yet.

On a positive note (for music-distribution-done-right lovers), the forthcoming album of Machinae Supremacy (1:st of May release date) will open for pre-orders tomorrow at distributor MBD Records.

There are also a number of free sources for legal music on the web, especially if you aren't into mainstream pop. Band sites are good.

The difference is that you end up listening to music that is not on the radio, has never been on the radio, and never will be. If this is a plus or minus is up to you.

A few selections:

• 6 For 12
• Anything Box
• Machinae Supremacy

Unfinished Thought

Misnomer

Machinae Supremacy

All well worth a listen.

Yes, downloading is illegal. Yes, it should not be done.

While we all know what you mean, I want to be pedantic. Downloading is not illegal. Downloading, even when just restricted to music is not illegal. It is important that the perception that "Downloading from Kazaa is illegal" isn't spread any further.

There are many sites and services that provide access to music free for download, because the artist has released it as such. My current favourite is Machinae Supremacy. However, there are many more. I suggest you have a look at a couple of things. First is a program: iRATE which downloads music and adjusts to your preferences based on what other people like. (If you don't mind building code, get the CVS version, it is quite improved on the stable version). Another thing that makes for good reading is this article which provides information on, among other things, where legally free music can be found.

Not sure what to add to that, but Machinae Supremacy is inspired by game music and they've done game music. But since you've reading this story you knew that already ;-)

As for stand-alone soundtracks for Games I think that's going to be a niche for a very long time, but one that I think is worth having. Jeremy Soule and Inon Zur have done a lot of good music for games (BG, IWD, etc). Robert Holmes did good work on the GK games too (also available on soundtrack in the now somewhat-hard-to-get Gabriel Knight Mysteries (Limited Edition) package).

don't dream about supporting your life with just selling cd's. you could just as well be dreaming about hitting big in the lottery. well, it's not bad to dream about it but it's fucking stupid to bet your life on it.

do gigs, do whatever you want. but if you're going to except paycheck from day 1.. heh.. well.. you're not going to make it. 100 000 cd's.. that wont get you set for live even. it might produce enough fans to support your touring but that's it.

maybe i think artists do make the money touring because that's how it goes around here! the record sales around here are so low for local artists that they MUST do gigs if they are going to live off their music. and to top that off, most of the touring bands are actually dancing music bands for older couples. there's shitload of such bands that don't go EVER record an album, they just tour year after year and the same people go see them and dance to their music.

many good heavy metal/rock players have gone to dance backup bands(tango and shit) because that's what pays the bills, not selling measly few cd's on a rock band(a lot of 'rock life' is just illusion, because that's cool and coolness brings the kids to the show). i guess in america many players have gone to playing live country music for just the same thing: it pays the bills.

if you'r music stinks and you only distribute it on cd's.. well the chances that i would EVER hear it are quite slim. in the meantime i'll be listening to some kicking ass techno tunes from instant remedy(c64 remixes) or some kick ass metal from machinae supremacy. machinae i would like to see on a gig also.