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Wake up. The average salary for H1B employees at Microsoft is $129k ( https://www.myvisajobs.com/Rep... ). Apple leads the pack with $147k. And this is the base salary, H1B regulations don't take into account relocation packages, RSUs and other bonuses.

$129k puts you into top 5% of the incomes in the US. These is pretty much the definition of a specialized high-qualification position.

H1-B is total crap and needs to be eliminated ASAP. Oh, but that lobbyist money from Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc.

Only ONE of those companies makes the top 10 H1B sponsors... and that is in TENTH place... the other 9 only have one "tech" company in them. The rest are "consultancies".

https://www.myvisajobs.com/Rep...

The companies you mentioned don't really care, and probably want Visa reform too.

Top 100 H1B Visa employers (companies who profit through the program): https://www.myvisajobs.com/Rep...

#16 Amazon
#22 Apple
#60 Dell
#33 Facebook
#100 HP
#12 Google
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# 9 Microsoft

That's a GREAT idea, with one slight change.

I think you are trying to create a rule that targets companies like Tata, WiPro, InfoSys, Cap Gemini, etc. but one that doesn't target Microsoft, Intel, Motorola, etc. It's the "visa mills" we need to stop. This is a good approach, but the issue with your proposed rule is that the "good" companies still use consulting firms. This happens because often times they use those firms to help find and vet people, or the company has policies like "all workers with positions that are open for less than 2 years must be contractors." That's okay.

So I want to tweak your proposed rule. The "bad" companies don't farm out their workers as consultants/contractors to another company. Instead, they take-over whole projects from the other company, resulting in US workers being layed-off. So the test should be: Who does the worker report to, and do they work on projects for multiple companies? If the H1B visa worker is a contractor for company A, but is working on a project for company B, then: 1. They had to be interviewed by company B. 2. They have a manager at company B who they report to. 3. They follow the same review system as employees from company B. 4. They cannot do work for another company C at the same time. That's a valid worker.

I know that rule isn't as simple as the one you proposed, but I have an H1B visa worker sitting right next to me, and he works the same hours as me and does a great job, and I don't want to lose those like him just because Cap Gemini hired 1500 workers and pay them crap. (Really, if they just enforced the salary rules then half this problem would vanish.)

FYI: In a prior slashdot post Phantomfive posted a link to a list of companies hiring H1B Visa workers. This has been really useful to know.

(Sorry for AC post, I moderated too)

According to this: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa... Cap Gemini do seem to be part of the problem. I've worked with two really good H1-B people and one of them ended up sent back to India because the company decided not to sponsor his permanent residency. I'm not sure what happened with the other one, but I think she got married and stayed in the US via marriage to a citizen. It's ridiculous to say the US economy is in desperate need of talent and then have the companies go hog wild over a temporary visa program. Either we need them and they should stay or we don't and it's just a game to keep costs low.

Thanks for the link. That's a good start. We can try to guess what the fields are from the job titles. Hmmm... This link shows it by occupation. That's interesting.

Okay, so this is painting a picture for me. There are two kinds of H1Bs. One kind is hired by a company that does actual work and makes an actual product: Apple, Microsoft, Intel. Those H1B visa workers are probably not being abused, and they probably aren't displacing American workers. Those are the kind I know. The other kind is the IT outsourcing companies like WiPro, Tata, and IGate. They are replacing American jobs with a combination of H1B visa jobs and outsourcing. I notice that the "Software developer" occupation makes >100k, and they work at places like Intel, IBM, Motorola, Apple. And the "Computer programmers" make 67k and work at Tata, InfoSys, IBM, and WiPro. IBM is in both lists, interestingly.

I wonder what those "Computer programmer" H1B visa workers are really doing? Looking at Tata's business model, how can H1B visa be justified here? That company's job is to basically put IT workers in other companies out a job by outsourcing. But if they have that many H1B visa workers, aren't they just displacing an American worker with an H1B worker?

Thanks for the link. That's a good start. We can try to guess what the fields are from the job titles. Hmmm... This link shows it by occupation. That's interesting.

Okay, so this is painting a picture for me. There are two kinds of H1Bs. One kind is hired by a company that does actual work and makes an actual product: Apple, Microsoft, Intel. Those H1B visa workers are probably not being abused, and they probably aren't displacing American workers. Those are the kind I know. The other kind is the IT outsourcing companies like WiPro, Tata, and IGate. They are replacing American jobs with a combination of H1B visa jobs and outsourcing. I notice that the "Software developer" occupation makes >100k, and they work at places like Intel, IBM, Motorola, Apple. And the "Computer programmers" make 67k and work at Tata, InfoSys, IBM, and WiPro. IBM is in both lists, interestingly.

I wonder what those "Computer programmer" H1B visa workers are really doing? Looking at Tata's business model, how can H1B visa be justified here? That company's job is to basically put IT workers in other companies out a job by outsourcing. But if they have that many H1B visa workers, aren't they just displacing an American worker with an H1B worker?

Thanks for the link. That's a good start. We can try to guess what the fields are from the job titles. Hmmm... This link shows it by occupation. That's interesting.

Okay, so this is painting a picture for me. There are two kinds of H1Bs. One kind is hired by a company that does actual work and makes an actual product: Apple, Microsoft, Intel. Those H1B visa workers are probably not being abused, and they probably aren't displacing American workers. Those are the kind I know. The other kind is the IT outsourcing companies like WiPro, Tata, and IGate. They are replacing American jobs with a combination of H1B visa jobs and outsourcing. I notice that the "Software developer" occupation makes >100k, and they work at places like Intel, IBM, Motorola, Apple. And the "Computer programmers" make 67k and work at Tata, InfoSys, IBM, and WiPro. IBM is in both lists, interestingly.

I wonder what those "Computer programmer" H1B visa workers are really doing? Looking at Tata's business model, how can H1B visa be justified here? That company's job is to basically put IT workers in other companies out a job by outsourcing. But if they have that many H1B visa workers, aren't they just displacing an American worker with an H1B worker?

Here is the list of H1B companies. Notice which ones pay a lot, which don't pay much. Chances are you aren't working at the companies that pay so little, because they're miserable places to work. Chances are, the people who work with you will still be able to get visas.

For 2016 Apple has applied for 4639 H1B and 2096 green cards for a total of roughly 6700 workers in the use. Apple employs roughly 66,000 workers in the US. So 10% of their workforce. The average salary of H1B is $140K and green cards is $150K. So I don't think "cheaper" applies. The salary does not include costs associated with the H1B or green card programs. Like many companies, Apple has immigration lawyers working on these cases for their employees.

You have data for "cheaper" but if worker A works 40 hours for $140k and worker B works 80 hours a week for $140k, worker B is making a significantly lower than average hourly wage. You also didn't address the issue where there are Americans lined up with similar credentials to do the same job yet the jobs go to the H-1B visa. The H-1B visa program was enacted in 1990 due to a tech worker shortage that no longer exists (and may have never existed). It should be repealed. When the current H-1B visas expire in 3 years or less, hire Americans.

You're just playing the liberal political spin game for liberal principles, nothing more, nothing less. California should be annexed to be its own country. Good luck paying for all your entitlement programs without leeching off everyone else!

Some of us are still engaged in practices like keeping corporate cash holdings in off shore tax shelters

Some of us understand how international tax policies work. The cash that you talk about will cost 30% should Apple decide to repatriate it. Since the money was generated overseas through overseas sales, the most financially sound idea is to keep it overseas.

claiming that there is a tech worker shortage when in reality it's just greed driving corporate profits in the form of hiring cheaper H-1B visas that are willing to put up with unreasonable working conditions so they can make more money. Some things never change.

For 2016 Apple has applied for 4639 H1B and 2096 green cards for a total of roughly 6700 workers in the use. Apple employs roughly 66,000 workers in the US. So 10% of their workforce. The average salary of H1B is $140K and green cards is $150K. So I don't think "cheaper" applies. The salary does not include costs associated with the H1B or green card programs. Like many companies, Apple has immigration lawyers working on these cases for their employees.

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa...
"Oracle America, Inc. has filed 2999 labor condition applications for H1B visa and 1876 labor certifications for green card from fiscal year 2014 to 2016. Oracle America was ranked 23 among all visa sponsors. Please note that 49 LCA for H1B Visa and 102 LC for green card have been denied or withdrawn during the same period."

So, wonder what this will say for 2017? And wonder if these H1Bs were let go before the layoffs?

Something feels off about this.

Yeah.

This won't increase the minimum wage for existing tech workers. In places like Redmond and the Bay Area, wages are already way over $100k. I don't think this will really change things for the best.

No, it will make a huge difference, just not what you expect. Check out the list of H1B users. It's pretty clear that a $100k cutoff will hurt Accenture and Infosys, and theoretically make more visas available for companies like Oracle and Google. So you can see who has been lobbying for this one.

There was a paper filed for H-1B? More domestic employees being replaced by a program that is only supposed to be used if there are no domestic employees available?

The article refers to this. http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B-Visa/SearchLCA.aspx?Y=2015&E=ibm&O1=Employer&O2=JobTitle

Out of the 25 LCA petitions, 1 has been withdrawn. About12 of them are in IT. There rest seem to be in immigration case management and a bunch of ones that started last year.

I can't tell if all the 24 are for the Hertz building.

There is a chance that the new H1Bs are for projects that they could not find local talent for. Obviously, the petitions are fewer than the jobs outsourced to IBM.

It is required by law that all the H1B job requirements and salary be posted on the company common room. Any US worker who feels they have been replaced can walk in and demand a job currently held by an H1B if he/she meets the job requirements.

You can't use H1Bs to replace existing workers, at least not in theory. Heck, legally you can't even use them in place of a new domestic hiree. For a business to get a H1B hire approved, they first have to advertise the exact same job for x weeks (I don't recall how long - yes our company went through this process). And only if no qualified and suitable American workers apply for the job, then can the H1B be approved.

Unfortunately, the process is badly abused. You've probably seen those wanted ads which combine a very peculiar and specific set of requirements. Like Ph.D, 8 years experience with one skill, and 4 years experience with a totally unrelated different skill, and some obscure certification which doesn't relate to what the job is about. That's a H1B ad - designed so that no individual on earth qualifies except for the foreign worker they've already picked out and are trying to get a H1B visa for. A few years back someone on /. posted that they happened to meet nearly all of the requirements for one such job ad, went out of their way to get the obscure unrelated certification they were missing, and applied for the job. And were still declined for an interview.

As for TFS, IT and software development are totally different. Not to insult IT workers, but IT is more a maintenance job you can pick up as you work, while development is more creative with higher formal education requirements. I can totally believe that there's a shortage of domestic software developers, but an excess of domestic IT workers. That both types of jobs can be filled with H1B workers does not mean those jobs are comparable. H1Bs cover a huge range of jobs, from software development to accounting to statisticians to pharmacists. Just because they're helping in one job field doesn't mean they aren't being abused in another.

If the government wants to fix H1Bs, I'd suggest a standard job description. The company sponsoring the H1B can add one or two specific requirements peculiar to what they're doing, but the rest of the qualifications should be based on a uniform standard for expected skill set.

I checked out his donor list. Apparently Goldman has a lot of H1Bs, who get paid just above $100k. Maybe the banks are the ones?

Like http://www.myvisajobs.com/Repo... ?

It's entirely possible that Tata can't find 23,800 Americans to fill their desks, but it's much more likely that the problem is that they can't find 23,800 Americans to fill their desks for only $76k.

Silicon Valley tech companies that hire H-1Bs won't care much. Very few of their H-1B employees make less than $110K anyway. If the definition of "wage" includes not just base salary but also bonus (actual awarded amount) and stock (actual value, not some notional future value), then it's likely that all of their H-1B employees already meet this requirement.

Here are the numbers for 2015:

Rank H1B Visa Sponsor Number of LCA * Average Salary
1 Infosys 23,816 $76,794
2 Tata Consultancy Services 14,096 $67,673
3 Wipro 8,365 $69,936

I suppose that these workers might have received some significant additional compensation above their salary, but my guess is that the probability is pretty close to zero.

These top three companies received 46,277 visas, which is over half of the total visa issued. Their average salaries are way below $110k.

If the speculation that companies above abuse H1B visas by importing low-wage earners is true, then the $110k wage limit would eliminate those visa uses. Of course, that assumes that the changes forces companies to actually pay that much. I can easily think of many ways to circumvent the $110k limit, including paying that amount and deducting most of it back (a la indentured servitude).

But the key point is that the abuse is predicated on saving money for the ultimate users of the companies' services. Kill off the financial incentive, and the problem completely disappears.

There is actually a reasonable case for some companies to need something like an H1B. There are actually quite a few US companies that pay decent H1B wages. Instituting a minimum financial threshold allows separation of these arguably more legitimate cases from the arguably job killing cases.

13 Google 3,059 $125,596
18 Amazon 1,600 $113,163
19 Qualcomm Technologies 1,585 $111,816
21 Apple 1,464 $133,593
24 Oracle America 1,073 $119,506
40 Facebook 780 $133,535
50 Ebay 664 $121,691
55 Yahoo! 619 $132,752
59 Paypal 576 $124,616
63 VM Ware 535 $121,203
70 Cisco Systems 494 $121,899
74 Salesforce.Com 483 $124,063
96 Linkedin 382 $139,634

The vast majority ... you mean 50,000 out of 160,000 ?

Yes, indian companies abuse the H1-B system and it's in great part their fault if there is a debate on H1-B. But no, the majority of H1-B workers are not "slaves".

The "top" H1-B list says it all : a lot of indian companies with low average salaries, and a long tail of legitimate companies trying to hire foreign talent.

Disclaimer : H1-B here.

It was there to fill a claimed temporary shortage, but it had the inevitable result of driving down wages and thus reducing people training to enter the field. It should have been killed a long time ago, there are other visa categories that can be matched for skilled labour.

The H1b has some benefits for US employers, particularly it locks the employee in, they can't switch to a better job, Zuckerberg loves them, his slave army, but it gives H1Bs an advantage even for the same pay grade.

Plus at the end, they leave, fully trained, and ready to work at your offshore division for a wage lower than the US and above the local wage, thus exporting the job and the skills.

You are correct, but you are pointing out ONLY the obvious or the bad part of the program. The program itself benefit employment market. However, the major reason why this program becomes bad (in many tech people) is because corporations have found a way to abuse the program and have been doing it.

One of the program intention is to lower the wages to where it should be, and it works as intended. The program drives down wages because many younger Americans nowadays believe that they are worth a lot more than they are, which becomes more and more unrealistic. Thus, the wages are forced to be down to where it should be. Besides, the program is NOT supposed to be mainly used by corporations but rather by any companies that can't find suitable employees. However, corporations are using this as the way to cut their budget. As a results, they no longer need "expert" in the field, who can be up and running from the beginning, but rather want only "good enough" employees that accept lower level wages and can marginally work at the work level (which soon either develop skills or being fired from failing to develop skills). Therefore, those who are experienced in the field feel that the wages are lower than it should because these people aren't hired by big companies (for better paid).

Another type of abusing the program is from "head hunter" companies. There are companies that offer to find people as consultants to their client, but those who are being sent to work are actually NOT qualified for the job. These people are trained just for the job interview, so they look like they are qualified. The head hunter companies act as the middle man. In other words, the clients pay big money (as experienced consultants) to the head hunter companies. The head hunter companies, in turn, pay "entry level" wages to their people. This abuse hurts people who are expert in the field because they can't compete with head hunter companies' offering wages.

There ARE people who legitimately use the program as well. Looking at statistic -- http://www.myvisajobs.com/Repo... -- which is from last year, should give some senses of what is going on. From what I am seeing, the 1st one (InfoSys) has a mixed bag of abuse and legitimate employees. The 2nd & 3rd (Tata and Wipro) seem to be abusing the program (a legitimate consulting company should be paying consultants much higher than the entry level wages). The 4th place (IBM) pays "about right" wage but they nowadays do not sponsor green card program (as far as I know).

Overall, the program has its purposes and benefits, and it is working as intended. The problem is how companies/corporations abuse the program. Please stop bashing that the program is bad. Go after those abusers and restricted the program instead of take it an easy way out -- shut it down. Remember that everything could affect both legitimate people and abusers. Pull yourself out of a side and look at the issue before saying.

PS: H1B DO NOT lock an employee in with the current employer. The H1B holders can switch job to another employer as long as the new employer is willing to sponsor their H1B. The word "better" is subjective and irrelevant. How could one say that I am an expert if the one has been working for a couple years? Sadly, this is a new idea of how younger people think nowadays...

Sources, which you could have found yourself by picking 3 of the numbers and "H1B" and putting them into Google:

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Repo...

The 25,000 that Microsoft laid off were largely *not* Americans, they were (mostly) Nokia people who had been involved in building the Nokia phones that were not selling, and were very low margin, and mostly desired only in the third world, as Nokia tanked enough that Microsoft could buy them (very cheaply, in fact).

Those numbers are from the U.S. Department of Labor, which obtained them from the IRS. And they are comparable, or higher than what an American worker would get for the same job.

I personally interviewed some of the Apple and Google H1-B's.

Top 100 H1B Visa Sponsors -2014 H1B Visa Report

You can look up how much an H1b visa holder makes.

If you spring for a membership fee, the lowest of which is $29.

Is there anywhere we can get this government information for free?

When you say H-1B salaries you mean the salaries that the person working gets paid with or the money Microsoft pays to some Indian intermediary company that actually pays the person doing the job much less?

Plus how much of the money Microsoft pays that Indian company gets back to the people at Microsoft doing the hiring as kickbacks?

Plus how much does Microsoft pay in an H-1B if they want to lay him off?

etc.

You can look up how much an H1b visa holder makes. The system isn't set up to look for a specific person, but with a small amount of intiution and some reasonable assumptions you can usually figure out which of your colleagues has which title in the system. If you find actual cases of fraud, report it. Let your H1B visa colleages know how much they should be making, and encourage them to demand that they be paid that wage. If companies actually had to pay those wages this whole business would stop pretty quick.

We tried a less premium location (San Diego) but we had even worse luck finding good developers for our startup. Talent pool is much less and it's much harder to persuade them to leave their jobs for a small company.

Companies getting H1b-s generally fall into two categories:
1) Companies with crappy jobs designed to allow people to move to the US. These companies are sometimes called 'bodyshops'. Their employees usually work for 6-12 months and then transfer the hell out of them.
2) Good software companies. They generally pay a market rate and often offer relocation assistance.

And even the first kind of companies is restricted by the prevailing wage law, so they pay quite a good wage as a result. Here is the data by state: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Repo... . If you look at California then you can clearly see the divide: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Cali... and you can also see that most of visas go to 'good' companies.

We tried a less premium location (San Diego) but we had even worse luck finding good developers for our startup. Talent pool is much less and it's much harder to persuade them to leave their jobs for a small company.

Companies getting H1b-s generally fall into two categories:
1) Companies with crappy jobs designed to allow people to move to the US. These companies are sometimes called 'bodyshops'. Their employees usually work for 6-12 months and then transfer the hell out of them.
2) Good software companies. They generally pay a market rate and often offer relocation assistance.

And even the first kind of companies is restricted by the prevailing wage law, so they pay quite a good wage as a result. Here is the data by state: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Repo... . If you look at California then you can clearly see the divide: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Cali... and you can also see that most of visas go to 'good' companies.

> This solves all real claims of not enough tech workers, it reduces the US budget, and gets rid of the financial incentive to refuse to hire perfectly good American tech workers.

However, it does not address the primary abuse of the H1B visa as the first step of off-shoring. They bring them in on the H1B, train them up and then send them home. In 2012, the top 10 H1B employers were all off-shoring companies. That changed a little bit in 2013, but by total number of visas it got worse.

Plus, your numbers are from 2005.

The number of H1-B employees is a matter of public record:

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa...

Facebook has 6818 employees. As you can see, there is no way for things to be mostly H1B, although H1B hiring has picked up recently (probably just because Facebook has grown).

and A quick search online says you are full of shit. unless MS have suddenly sacked sacked 10's of thousands of employees. http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa...

H1B applications (both granted and denied) are public record, actually. Here is one source for the most recent numbers - you can drill into any specific company for more details.

(There's probably some govt run website somewhere that has all that info, too. Haven't really looked.)

$5 Billion Semiconductor Fab in India where, presumably low-wage robots(?) will use backward and primitive equipment (oh, no... wait... it'll be brand new high-quality equipment) to make chips... beacuase, you know, they may be preparing to lay-off thousands of people in New York state (the article, and others indicate hundreds, but also note they have assured New York they will keep about 3K jobs in the state, where they currently are reported to have about 7K) , but they just cannot POSSIBLY find enough skilled tech workers in the US and desperately need to have more H1B visas to help them push down wages.

If you are a geek/nerd/engineer (working for ANY firm, not just IBM... they affect the "standard" wages) you need to SERIOUSLY hassle your congress critters to squash H1Bs and outsourcing (which the giant firms are using to suppress ALL tech/engineering wages and benefits) and make them more worried about YOUR VOTES than about "Big Blue's" money. Your wages and benefits are aleady lower because they have been doing this, and each and every day you are working is a day you are not getting dollars you should have been and that you will never recover. You will have less stuff in your youth and a poorer retirement when you are old... and the guys on Wall St will be enjoying the yachts they "earned" by suppressing your pay.

Google and the rest of Silicon Valley is actually harming our country. They are importing poor people to work for less, not paying taxes, ripping off the system, and all the while keeping the money for themselves.

The H1B program as a whole may have some of those problems, but as a matter of public record, Google H1B employees are not poor.

Sapient hired about 2,000 staff in India last year too. The Boston-based company has 65% of its total workforce of more than 10,100 based in India.

"About 35% of our people are hired locally [in markets the company operates]," Mr. Endow said. "That's a very healthy mix."

However: Sapient has only about 1,500 US employees, and at least one-third to one-half of those are here b/c of visa sponsorship. (Consider that an H1-B lasts for 3 years -- extendable up to 6 -- and 2013 isn't even over, yet.) So:

1. Are companies like Sapient just going through the motions to make it *look* like they're trying to fill some position with a U.S. worker -- as some sort of legal workaround? -- when their actual goal is to import yet another H1-B, all along?
2. Does any U.S. government agency keep an accurate, publicly-accessible record of all accepted/denied H1B requests? ...including the name of the company, with the date, location, and public-job posting for the position they were allegedly trying to fill?

It's great to see this kind of thing. I hope she wins, honestly. She's got an uphill battle ahead of her.

What a lot of people don't realize is that Wipro and Infosys buy influence in this country, that's how they've been able to game the system and get away with it for a long time?

Ultimately we need to restructure the H1-B system so that it allows companies to get the talent they need without all the middle-man broker approach and doesn't exploit workers from abroad and keep wages down and unemployment high in this country. We don't need to hire Kindergarten teachers on H1-B visas. http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Fort-Worth-Independent/202267.htm
Really? Fort Worth ISD? Come on you can't find a qualified US resident to teach?

Also, the immigration reforms that seem largely stalled now have some things in it that are making H1-B mills a bit nervous, I say good!
Even in their own country, Wipro, Infosys et al are viewed as "Selling Indians abroad." So it'll be great to see how this case evolves.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-23/outsourcing/38762361_1_h-1b-immigration-reform-indian-it

Take a look at the comments.

For those big companies, bringing in somebody because they are a little less expensive doesn't make much sense. Most of their H1Bs are geared towards PhD's who can provide important skills they may be weak in, which is reflected by high salaries
Apple, Intel, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon are all paying over $100k to H1B holders

Stop.. In manufacturing there's a lot of integration, third party suppliers or outsourcing as it can also be called. All of those have various degrees of risk associated with them. When you're talking about the scale of what Boeing did on the 787, I think it created new management challenges that they weren't fully expecting and the result was cost overruns and schedule delays. They've always integrated and outsourced with partners. For example I know that they don't make their own nuts and bolts, or rivets or engines for their planes. These come, and have for many many decades, from suppliers who were given specifications and who worked with Boeing. Some of the components such as engines were developed in close partnership, meaning teams from engine manufacturer X at Boeing etc. It's been long since proven that doing it all yourself doesn't get you ahead, you do have more control ala Henry Ford and the River Rouge plant where he didn't have to rely on anybody, or that was his thinking anyway but that went out in the 40s when he couldn't keep up with his contracts for the US government. He even made his own steel. And it eventually became very cumbersome for Ford to maintain this. This was an industry lesson learned and it clearly demonstrated that no manufacturer can exist and create everything on their own and within each business there are associated risks and supply chains that have to be monitored, preserved and nurtured to make it all happen. Do suppliers fail? Yes, but that is one of the risks associated with modern manufacturing and it's up to your business management models to help manage that risk. Obviously in that case Boeing gets a "C-" for the 787 and with the current electrical system woes, they get an "I" for incomplete. They do get an "A" for effort in trying to build something new that hasn't been done before. If you read the stories from people and the press about how their experiences are on the 787, then you'll see what I'm talking about. LCD window shades, quiet cabins.. As somebody who flies, weekly, this is long overdue and it's innovative and yes, with all new innovations there are teething problems. As for the supply chain issues, they'll get settled and yes there may be a "labor" component involved here especially since there have been problems for them getting things manufactured here in the US. If you want a root cause for "outsourcing" look to the US government that in "some" cases goes way out of its way to make things hard for businesses and also creates nice big loopholes in legislation that allow H1-B visas to be used for "Kindergarten Teachers."

http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B-Visa-045-2009-SO.htm

Tata Consultancy Services, Larsen Toubro Infotech, Cognizant Technology Solutions, UST Global, Patni Americas... Check this list out.

Also, a 2012 report shows Arizona companies have applied for 4,387 work visas. The average salary for these positions is $75,473. The most recent U.S. Census data (compiled through 2007) shows the average salary in Arizona is $47,750. So something tells me the people who might actually have these visas are not the same people who are getting pulled over in beat-up white Ford pickup trucks.

by large IT companies: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2012-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx Guess what? H1B is the only reasonable route for educated people to immigrate legally to US (aside from marriage and family ties, and lottery.) Due to annual cap, that is mostly taken by large IT companies, other folks are out of luck. I went to school for 10 years in US, got doctorate degree, and can't just open my own clinic and practice. I am not taking anybody else's job - I'll create jobs. But current immigration system does not allow that, unless you are rich right out of school and can invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in your business in order to get E2 visa. Even then, you cannot get residency and citizenship later, ever; only renew E2, if you are lucky. So, H1B is the only reasonable option: get hired, work for several years, and then get residency through permanent employment. However, most private clinics do not want to spend time and money to start H1B paperwork in April and wait until October for the worker to start working. Immigration system is ridiculous and that's why there are so many illegals. People just cannot get through the system even when they try to do it legally.

by large IT companies: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2012-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx Guess what? H1B is the only reasonable route for educated people to immigrate legally to US (aside from marriage and family ties, and lottery.) Due to annual cap, that is mostly taken by large IT companies, other folks are out of luck. I went to school for 10 years in US, got doctorate degree, and can't just open my own clinic and practice. I am not taking anybody else's job - I'll create jobs. But current immigration system does not allow that, unless you are rich right out of school and can invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in your business in order to get E2 visa. Even then, you cannot get residency and citizenship later, ever; only renew E2, if you are lucky. So, H1B is the only reasonable option: get hired, work for several years, and then get residency through permanent employment. However, most private clinics do not want to spend time and money to start H1B paperwork in April and wait until October for the worker to start working. Immigration system is ridiculous and that's why there are so many illegals. People just cannot get through the system even when they try to do it legally.

Vindicated by the fact that Microsoft hires highest number of psychologists
http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B-Visa-045-2009-SO.htm

Microsoft hires psychologists for developing GUI.
http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B-Visa-045-2009-SO.htm

According to this:

H1B Visa 2001-2010: 27,189
Green Card 2000-2010: 6,207

Given that there's L1, too, let's just round up and say that roughly every 5th foreign employee gets sponsored for green card. Whether it's a lot or not enough is for the reader to judge.

If Google is trying to hide their H1B statistics then their search engine isn't doing a very good job of it. It took me all of 2 seconds to find this with a search for "google h1b". http://www.myvisajobs.com/Company.aspx?ID=225093

I wonder if they employ psychologists?

Yes. Google sponsored H1B visa for 13 Psychologists since 2001.

The University of California at Berkeley is also a heavy user of H-1b visas. The last 8 year, UC Berkeley has applied for 977 H-1b Visas. It isn't clear how many of these related to their computer staff-but traditionally about half of all H-1b visas are used for that purpose. It is simply not credible to bring numerous foreign workers from places where you can't even reliably do a background check(people are regularly declared dead in India and simply can't sort it out) and expect to maintain any semblance of security.

The management of UC Berkeley should be investigated for criminal negligence.