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Please someone mod parent up. Every time I ask a police office, who is retiring, why we hear so much about gun violence today it is always the same response: drugs. Before drugs (1960s/some of 70s) the worst these police officers would usually find is a .38 special. Nowadays he has to be extra careful because everyone has an AK-47--and drugs. Here is an overly verbose link: http://www.newspeakdictionary.....

AGW won't necessarily imply chocolate rationing.

No, but the Orwellian nature of anthropogenic global climate non-constant change warming does.

Switching to Android from Apple.

> This meme HAS To die. Orwell's 1984 explictly included a manual as very long epilog.

If you're talking about the Newspeak appendix, that's hardly a manual for establishing a totalitarian regime. I'm reasonably sure Orwell didn't include it for the benefit of would-be dictators.

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-prin.html

That old guy in the blue top in the foreground looks way too happy. I reckon it was him.

Guilty of facecrime.

Isn't it nice how the orwellian newspeak keeps creeping into the debate?

The legal term is illegal alien. As in:

- Alien: (n) a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization ( distinguished from citizen).
- Illegal: (adj) forbidden by law or statute.

In other words: illegal alien: a foreigner who has entered or resides in a country unlawfully or without the country's authorization.

eh hem...put on tin-foil conspiracy hat... Could this be the beginning of a real-world "Newspeak?" With everything else the UK has done in recent years, it is merely one more step toward 1984. For those unfamiliar with Orwellian Newspeak:

• 1984
• Newspeak
• Newspeak Dictionary

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Wasn't eliminating words the modus operandi of Newspeak? :)

before we all get issued our Newspeak dictionaries...

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns_frames.html

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called."

Found it here: http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html

The words you use can make a big impact. Get people to assosciate "file sharing" with "illegal" and half the battle's already won.

Incidentally, this was one of Orwell's key insights in 1984 (yes, I know it's a fucking cliche to mention Orwell on Slashdot).

From the Wikipedia article on the book: "The true goal of Newspeak is to take away the ability to conceptualize revolution adequately, or even to dissent, by removing words that could be used to that end [...]If we do not have a word for something, it is argued, we have diff[i]culty thinking about the concept." You might also want to check out The Compelete Newspeak Dictionary for kicks.

I must mention this: the layout of the comment page on Slashdot is so much better than the old one, it's not even funny. Thanks for finally upgrading, guys.

I think this is what you're looking for comrade!

Or crimethink, the actual Newspeak word for "thoughtcrime."

Let's see here

The BBC post a trollish article about someone who was busted for selling a XBox with _80_ illegally copied games on a hard disk, with the headline "Evil capitalists ban modding!!!11!" (i've parodied here to make a point). GP poster posts a rabid kneejerk reaction. I take the piss out of GP poster. And I'm a troll whereas the GP is +4 insightful.

So now, if you read and believe that evil capitalists are preventing poor hackers playing you can read at +1 and bask in the rabid kneejerk reactions without seeing anything that distracts from them. It's like the two minute hate for hackers.

And since most of the people that stay long enough to get mod points agree with the slashdot coventional wisdom the cycle reinforces itself.

oh and they do also have a section on modern newspeak not only the Orwell version.

Oh, yes, the famous "words to avoid" page. You might want to go read an even better discussion of those words; it was written by a guy named Eric Arthur Blair, and published back in 1948. It's got this cool appendix at the back, called The Principles of Newspeak.

crimethink is doubting any of the principles of Ingsoc.

Ugh, the idea of Newspeak reinvented. The English language has enough problems without being forced through a strainer, too.

If you're going to go this route, I'd prefer to see a neutral language like Esperanto used instead.

And don't forget the future development of newspeak which was duckspeak. With a properly ordered society, a person's actions and speech are so perfectly fitted to their role that the actual words they say are irrelevant.

Here is a link to the full appendix about newspeak, often not present in various online versions of the book.

Please read that appendix; it will be one of the most important appendix you will ever read.

everyone with a mind of it's own knows that all this "technology" has nothing to do with preventing terrorist attacks. all the things that were done in the name of the "war against terrorism" wouldn't have stopped atta nor any other recent attack. atta had a valid passport and no record. but all these things are justified with that accursed date. man, this is doublespeak at it's best. remember, the main point in 1984 is not big brother but the constant war.

Before anyone starts getting into a debate about whether or not we should fight [dubspeak]The Terrorists[/dubspeak], maybe we should just define a few terms, first ...

Americans have been gipped. Fact is, You All Lost The War On Terror, Already.

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html

Guh. That's just "newspeaknglish".

Crimethinker!!!

The Newspeak Dictionary

George Orwell on Newspeak.

Naider is practicing what George Orwell called NewSpeak in the novel 1984. NewSpeak is the deconstruction of language so that it loses all its meaning even as it gains a pseudo-patriotic emotional tone. Disagree with NewSpeak and eventually you become a Thought Criminal (DMCA anyone?). Tell me how Naider's asinine statement is any different from some of Orwell's classics:

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Check out this site for a NewSpeak dictionary and other interesting stuff. In a world filled with PR bullshit from Microsoft, RIAA, SCO, and [fill in favorite political party here], there are damned few "victories for consumer choice," and ignorance is not strength, it's dire peril.

This is not only technically not stealing but also fundamentally not stealing. Information and tangible goods are very different and have very different economics. They should be and are treated differently by the law and the people as well. Calling copyright violations "stealing" is in the same category as newspeak.

Thoughtcrime. Thinkmaking a Party member an unperson without upsub is plus ungood.

When Gate$ starts talking about 1984, "Homeland Security(TM)" AKA INGSOC and Window$ AKA INGSOCOS
in the same speech it is doubleplus spooky.
However, you need to crossreference this speech to your B vocabulary dictionaries for the true meaning..

Gates on Linux: "Items one comma five comma seven approved fullwise stop suggestion contained item six doubleplus ridiculous verging crimethink cancel stop unproceed constructionwise antegetting plusfull estimates Linuxmachinery overheads stop end message."

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html#cri methink

Ironic that they would call a "tracking system" the "Liberty Project".

what about the "Patriot Act"?

What about Newspeak ?

Mark Twain wrote on nearly this exact topic in 1883. He wrote a great essay on extrapolation , basing his conclusions on the fact that the Missippi between Cairo and New Orleans was shortening an average of a mile per year for the last two hundred years or so....

To quote:
"Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upward of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."

-Peter

"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain

Isnt it: "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

Atleast thats what I found here

just wait till they implement newspeak

"Too many people are only willing to defend rights that are personally important to them. It's selfish ignorance, and it's exactly why totalitarian governments are able to get away with trampling on people. Freedom does not mean freedom just for the things I think I should be able to do. Freedom is for all of us. If people will not speak up for other people's rights, there will come a day when they will lose their own." - Tony Lawrence 12/28/95

"In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was nobody left to speak up." - Reverend Martin Niemoller, Germany, 1930's

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine (1737-1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795

"The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it." - Woodrow Wilson Speech in New York, September 9, 1912

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." - H. L. Mencken

"Our Constitution was not written in the sands to be washed away by each wave of new judges blown in by each successive political wind." - Hugo L Black, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court.

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey

"'Politics' is made up of two words, 'poli,' which is Greek for 'many,' and 'tics,' which are blood-sucking insects." - Gore Vidal

"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." - H.L. Mencken

"Suppose your were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

"The short memories of American voters is what keeps our politicians in office." - Will Rogers

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." - Georg Wilhelm Hegel

"Too many people are only willing to defend rights that are personally important to them. It's selfish ignorance, and it's exactly why totalitarian governments are able to get away with trampling on people. Freedom does not mean freedom just for the things I think I should be able to do. Freedom is for all of us. If people will not speak up for other people's rights, there will come a day when they will lose their own." - Tony Lawrence 12/28/95

"In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was nobody left to speak up." - Reverend Martin Niemoller, Germany, 1930's

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself." - Thomas Paine (1737-1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795

"The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it." - Woodrow Wilson Speech in New York, September 9, 1912

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." - H. L. Mencken

"Our Constitution was not written in the sands to be washed away by each wave of new judges blown in by each successive political wind." - Hugo L Black, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court.

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - Edward Abbey

"'Politics' is made up of two words, 'poli,' which is Greek for 'many,' and 'tics,' which are blood-sucking insects." - Gore Vidal

"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under." - H.L. Mencken

"Suppose your were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

"The short memories of American voters is what keeps our politicians in office." - Will Rogers

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." - Georg Wilhelm Hegel

Here's a Newspeak dictionary.

Newspeak may have been inspired by Basic English or Esperanto. Contrary to the opinion of some, Toki Pona was not inspired by Newspeak.

Ever heard of newspeak? :)

Check out newspeakdictionary.com especially The Principles of Newspeak next time you feel bored.

Ever heard of newspeak? :)

Check out newspeakdictionary.com especially The Principles of Newspeak next time you feel bored.