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Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

It's just trump is evil ?

Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.

You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.

But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!

Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

It's just trump is evil ?

Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.

You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.

But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!

Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

It's just trump is evil ?

Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.

You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.

But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!

Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

It's just trump is evil ?

Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.

You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.

But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!

Ha hahaha!

In most western countries it's "direct crimes against a person" that lead to jail time.

Here in USA we have this thing called "the war on drugs."

This is a popular argument parents make to squeeze more money out of others.

In the vast majority of America, schools are funded through property taxes, unless the community is poor, then the state will kick in some money (see Abbott Districts in NJ - the poorest communities collect so much aid they are among the highest-funded school districts in the state, and among the lowest performing), yet parents never petition for higher property taxes, they argue that unknown "others" need to pay more to educate their children.

Remember when Mark Zuckerberg gave Newark $100,000,000? Do you know where the money went? Not to fix crumbling buildings, not to put technology in the classrooms, not to hire more teachers? No, it went towards $1.000/day consultants and creating charter schools. The upside? It proved that charter schools, which operate with smaller budgets and less regulation perform better - parent in Newark are clamoring to get their children in the charter schools.

Sure, critics will argue that charter schools are only proven to have, on average, average results educating children - but communities like Newark are suffering with an entire public school system squarely performing below-average.

EU countries impose massive tax burdens relative to the rest of the world.

Actually, EU corporate taxes are generally lower than US corporate taxes. That's why US corporations keep their money overseas.

Excessive taxation, especially for how EU countries spend the money, is unjust.

European tax systems tend to me more fair: the European middle class, which receives most of the benefits from taxation, pays considerably higher taxes than the US middle class; that is, they pay what they use and balance their budgets.

The US middle class still deludes itself into believing that they can continue to get free stuff by taxing the wealthy and running up a massive debt.

OK, defender of truth and fighter of Wrongthing(TM):

http://www.politifact.com/trut...

My goodness, with a neckbeard that thick I'm surprised you haven't been kidnapped and sold to Bukharan markhor smugglers.

So when Obama contacted Hamas in 08 before the election, that was A-OK with you?

Is this coming from the Republican Fairy Tale where his birth certificate is still fake? McCain tried that shit before the election.

It was bullshit then, it's still bullshit now.

I guess collusion with terrorists isn't as bad as talking to a #2 nuclear power about helping out Israel.

Yep, it is. Here's a hint: If anybody's selling out to terrorists, it's Trump who just loves him some Saudi money.

Go walk by the beach: perchance some undocumented demonrat will "find a gun" accidentally at you three times.

Go pray in your church, perhaps some repukeathug will "demonstrate gun safety" and accidentally shoot you instead of themselves.

70%

http://www.politifact.com/trut...

The most effective attack against him is that he has kept his promises. That tells the public to take what he says seriously which will sink him.

During the campaign last year, I remember hearing this comment from someone in the media about Trump's candidacy: Trump's supporters took him seriously but not literally and the media took him literally but not seriously.

For Trump's base, it's more about style than substance. In 2016 Trump won by carrying the rust belt because Clinton thought she could take it for granted. He'll still have his base in 2020, but whether he can win the same crucial states again is another matter.

As for Trump keeping his promises, well yes and no. For example, he called for a "total and complete shutdown" of Muslim immigration, and instead he ordered travel restrictions for seven -- oh wait, no, six countries, none of which have citizens responsible for acts of terror on American soil.

"In fact, as tax donor states, they pay for the whole damn country. "

California, for reference, receives $0.99 for every dollar they pay in taxes. They are hardly a "donor state" in any meaningful sense.

http://www.politifact.com/cali...

New York actually is a donor state. California suffers from problems of its own making, and this post contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer or other reproductive harm.

I'd love to see the original real citation for this welll known 'fact'.

There are many. Finding the original would be a pointless endeavor though.

I wonder if it includes things like the military, a federal expense, defending the liberal coasts, and pouring federal money into the navy and Air Force bases that do so.

Yes, those have been factored into many charts, though some concentrate on the "welfare" aspect.

That's free money for California, where I live btw.

Nope. Quite expensive actually. Military spending isn't funded by a magic fairy. The days of sending forth conquering armies to gather tribute are long gone.

Blue States are actually on the hook, especially for the Right-wing war-mongering. And frankly, the GOP would gladly close every base in California, they HATE the state enough to spite the country. It has become their Sodom and Gomorroh, and it's barely 30 years since Reagan, who they never mention as being governor of California or an actor.

I also expect that eliminating the state deduction will force out of control liberal states to lower their taxes and stop flushing money down the toilet and useless social programs that only grow every year but don't help the people they're supposed to much less have an end goal.

Except you are assuming they are "out of control" and "flushing money down the toilet" on "useless social programs" that "don't help the people" which is bad enough, yet your method is even more deeply flawed since instead of offering a better alternative, you are just randomly attacking your opposition under a false pretense of noble motives.

Eliminating the mortgage deduction should force housing prices to come down, too. I'm ok with that, also.

Except it won't happen, since you aren't even addressing the reason for high housing prices. Here's a hint: The financiers don't want housing prices to come down, they LOVE the escalation.

The tax system has artificially altered major parts of our economy into a twisted mutated wreck. Time to restore,rose rather than fight over who gets to fuck over whom in a giant game of musical taxation chairs.

You're blaming taxation. The true causes are far more sinister and nefarious. You're being exploited and oppressed, but you don't know who has the whip.

PS, Newt Gingrich claimed he fixed that bit about paying people not to work, rural poor people do vote for Republicans, and yes, big companies like Wal-Mart and McDonalds do instruct their employees to get on food-stamps and other programs.

Also, the pill-pushers are big pharma, who the GOP loves. Just like Big Tobacco.

Mysteriously, however, funding schools, health programs, and improving people's lives by fixing their homes is forbidden as it is offensive. Except for the private religious schools indoctrinating the next generation of Wor$hipers at the Church of Christ Money-lender. That is a goal worth billions.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/nov/10/ted-cruz/could-ted-cruz-have-prevented-texas-church-shootin/

TLDR:

But the shooter in this case wouldn’t have showed up as having lied because of the Air Force’s failure to report his felony.

but you seem to be under the impression that the elderly are expecting something for nothing, when really, all they're expecting is repayment (with interest, adjusted for inflation).

I'm under that impression because it's true.

A $21.6 trillion unfunded obligation is not merely "repayment."

It is simple. As I said, Politifact is a shill for the alt left progressives, and they rely on your weak logic skills, and lack of both knowledge and curiosity. Take a look at the FIRST "LIE"...

1. "In July 2010 the government said small businesses -- 60 percent -- will lose their health care, 45 percent of big business and a large percentage of individual health."

Sean Hannity, Nov. 11, 2013

Yet if you read the actual article here: http://www.politifact.com/pund...

You will find that:

By the end of 2013, government analysts said half of all group or employer-based plans would change to the point that they would need to meet the new standards -- which is about what Hannity said.

Essentially every "lie" is along these same lines, twisting the truth and trying to weasel around.

Furthermore, virtually every news agency was reporting the same thing, further highlighting the bias of Politifact and John Stewart and their BS, and the reality is that if Obama had not illegally issued waivers and not enforced the letter of the ACA law, that is exactly what would have happened. https://ballotpedia.org/Health...

NBC News reported that between 50 percent and 75 percent of the 14 million who buy individual health insurance would likely receive a cancellation notice over 2014 because their plans did not meet the requirements of the ACA.[3]

CBS News reported that more than two million Americans were told they could not renew their insurance policies for 2014.[11]

According to NBC News, the Obama administration knew in July 2010 that more than 40 percent to 67 percent of people in the individual market would likely not be able to keep their existing policies.[3]

Health policy consultant Robert Laszewski estimated 80 percent of individual insurance buyers would have to find new policies.[3]

In order to make their alt left claim that Hannity lied, they ignore the fact that this was widely reported at the time and twist the truth of what he said, and try to infer that Hannity said that these people would permanently lose their health insurance, which from the quote is clearly not what he said, and obviously, anyone with a brain can see that. As a viewer, I know this is not what he was saying, but rather that it would be major upheval, and the new plans would cost more, and people losing their existing plans would also directly make a liar out of Obama, who said if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor (proven lie, that they, including the architect of Obamacare knew was a lie from the beginning) and if you like your plan you can keep your plan (same deal, bold faced lie that they knew was a lie from the start). That has always been Hannity's position, not that people would permanently lose their health care and health insurance, but that Obama and the Dims were lying out of their asses the entire time about Obamacare.

Hannity and we conservatives were right, BTW. Millions of people lost their doctors and lost their affordable insurance plans and the replacements were far more expensive. Suck on this headline for a minute: "Average Individual Health Insurance Premiums Increased 99% Since 2013, the Year Before Obamacare, & Family Premiums Increased 140%" https://news.ehealthinsurance....

So you can take anything from Politifact and blow it out your ass, because they have no interest in fact, only shilling for the alt left. 95% of the"lies" of Fox news from John Stewart and Politifact are like this, and the oth

I agree that the current electorate is like this, by liberal progressive design.

Suuure it is.

As far as news controversies, there's also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

and http://www.politifact.com/trut...

And National Review and Breitbart are known to be biased. They have no cred with me. The GOP can go ahead and put Hillary on trial if they really think there are laws broken.

Also, the 'birther' thing originated from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against Obama. Yes, it's boring arcana and nothing new with regard to the Clinton Crime Family, but it's the deal.

Or, you know, that is just more fake news from the mouth of the president.

Jeez the discourse on this site has reached a new low. People spouting half assed conspiracy theories used to be modded down, not modded up.

There was an indictment of some people who worked on Trump's campaign-- most notably his former campaign manager. But the indictment was for stuff that they did before that-- 2008 to 2014, to be specific.

You need to start reading an unbiased news source. Try this one: http://www.politifact.com/trut...

I followed the link you posted and found this (which is unedited):

But the revelations contained in the Papadopolous court filing are less easily dismissed.

Papadopoulos learned in early March 2016 that he would be an adviser to the Trump campaign on foreign policy, and that one of the campaign’s principal goals was to improve U.S.-Russian relations.

It was after joining the campaign that he cultivated relationships he would try to use to broker an overseas meeting between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials. According to the court filing, the proposed trip never took place.

But Papadopolous’ repeated outreach efforts are sure to raise more questions of collusion, particularly in light of the fact that Donald Trump Jr. accepted a meeting during the campaign that was predicated on the promise that a "Russian government attorney" would deliver damaging information to him about his father’s Democratic opponent as part of the Kremlin’s effort to tip the scales in Trump’s favor.

Papadopoulos’ guilty plea is the result of a negotiated resolution between the defendant and the Justice Department, said Andrew D. Leipold, law professor at University of Illinois College of Law.

So Papadopoulos crimes, to which has confessed and pled guilty, are entirely due to his work on the campaign.

Crying about the Trump indictments doesn't make them less than real, sorry snowflake.

Uh, there is no Trump indictment.

There was an indictment of some people who worked on Trump's campaign-- most notably his former campaign manager. But the indictment was for stuff that they did before that-- 2008 to 2014, to be specific.

You need to start reading an unbiased news source. Try this one: http://www.politifact.com/trut...

Their 'state' government is a bankrupt disaster.

So is our President -- literally and figuratively (lack of personal morality: lying, groping women, stiffing contractors, Charlottesville response, "pick a tweet", etc...)

Just sayin' ...

Apart, from the times he's demonstrably lied. http://www.politifact.com/pers...

You mean the fact that Single Women just out of college earn more than their male counterparts, but an average of 8%?

"Census data from 2008 show that single, childless women in their 20s now earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts in metropolitan areas."

http://www.politifact.com/pund...

The wage gap myth is based on the idea that men and women make equal choices, and doesn't account for career choices, family choices, and other meaningful criteria. But hey, it fits the narrative.

Don't forget about the billions of taxpayer dollars that could have gone to places like Puerto Rico or Houston TX. The homeless poor should get credit for their sacrifices in this endeavor as well.

As opposed to the 50% of the discretionary budget that goes to fund a military that consumes over 1/3 of world military spending?

His political divisiveness manifests in the highest overall changeover rate of whitehouse staff in American history at this point in his presidency, no meaningful legislation, no kept promises, a historic low approval rating for a modern president, and the largest approval rating margin between democrats and republicans of any president since polls were a thing. That last one is a direct measurement of divisiveness. Wanting your conservative views heard is American, supporting a fake populist who is just sabotaging this country to create massive tax cuts for the 0.01% wealthiest Americans and key players is both idiotic and not in 99.9% of the populations best interests.

are these the same polls that said trump had next to a zero chance of winning the presidency?

The score (from http://www.politifact.com/trut...) as of 2015...counts deaths of Americans in America: 24: number of Americans killed by terrorism in the last decade 208,024: number of Americans killed by guns in the last decade

Number of Americans killed by automobiles in the last decade (as of 2016): 350,408. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

His political divisiveness manifests in the highest overall changeover rate of whitehouse staff in American history at this point in his presidency, no meaningful legislation, no kept promises, a historic low approval rating for a modern president, and the largest approval rating margin between democrats and republicans of any president since polls were a thing. That last one is a direct measurement of divisiveness. Wanting your conservative views heard is American, supporting a fake populist who is just sabotaging this country to create massive tax cuts for the 0.01% wealthiest Americans and key players is both idiotic and not in 99.9% of the populations best interests.

The score (from http://www.politifact.com/trut...) as of 2015...counts deaths of Americans in America:

      24: number of Americans killed by terrorism in the last decade

      208,024: number of Americans killed by guns in the last decade

because it was, and claims otherwise show a tremendous ignorance of the actual facts.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/19/...
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/...
http://www.politifact.com/trut...

Yes, enlightenment is good. Single-payer in CA isn't dead; it's tabled until it's done correctly - http://www.latimes.com/politic...

Judicial Watch, Inc. appears to be rather biased, as evidenced by the below:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com...
http://www.snopes.com/dhs-quie...
http://www.politifact.com/pers...
I'd take their filings with a grain of salt...or two or three.

Has any American taxpayer thought about how much that bailout cost the average taxpayer,

Apparently about $75 (straight average, ignoring tax brackets).

http://www.politifact.com/trut...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...

Still waiting for slashdot to post an article about the growth rate surpassing 3% as described in that nasty conservative rag USA Today:

https://www.usatoday.com/story...

That 3.1% growth was higher than anything under Obama, as confirmed by far, alt-right Nazi organization politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/illi...

Oh snap, they're MSM and left wing hacks respectively

Is that news for nerds, stuff that matters? This story is marginal, and that one would be no better.

Still waiting for slashdot to post an article about the growth rate surpassing 3% as described in that nasty conservative rag USA Today:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/09/28/u-s-economic-growth-revised-up-3-1-rate-q-2/711674001/
That 3.1% growth was higher than anything under Obama, as confirmed by far, alt-right Nazi organization politifact:
http://www.politifact.com/illi...

Oh snap, they're MSM and left wing hacks respectively

http://www.politifact.com/trut...

Politifact isn't exactly a right-wing source either. Both sides like to ignore or forget facts that don't fit the agenda.

And perhaps there would have been more, had she not instructed people to *remove* those markings:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-releases-more-clinton-emails-several-marked-classified/
CBS isn't a right-wing source either.

Look, she was still a better choice than Trump by lightyears, but it does no one any good to continually pretend the e-mail issue wasn't illegal conduct she got a pass for. Comey's conclusion was that it was ok because she "lacked intent", but the law had no intent requirement, and other people have been prosecuted despite similarly lacking intent (the submarine selfie guy comes to mind). Come on.

Here you go Check out the table as an embedded image halfway down. Fair warning, I was wrong. It was 2000-2014, not 2003-2014

Chart of odds of dying to back this up (2017 publication).

1 in 95 - Suicide
1 in 96 - Poisoning / overdoes (this is the new big one, courtesy of the opioid epidemic, but the press has mostly ignored it).*
1 in 114 - Motor vehicle crash
1 in 127 - Fall
1 in 370 - Assault by firearm
1 in 645 - Car occupant
1 in 647 - Pedestrian incident (mostly hit by cars)
1 in 948 - Motorcycle rider incident

Do note that these are overall odds of dying for the country as a whole. Not everyone participates in all of these activities so your individual risk may be higher. For example, the motorcyclist death rate for the country as a whole is 1 in 948. But there are approximately 30x as many cars as motorcycles, suggesting only about 1 in 30 people rides a motorcycle. So the fatality rate for an individual motorcyclist is probably closer to 1 in 32. (Yes, about 1 in every 100 people you know who rides in a car is fated to die in a car accident. About 1 in every 30 people you know who rides a motorcycle is fated to die in a motorcycle accident.)

* You remember that shooting at UCLA last year which resulted in 2 dead (murder/suicide)? That made national headlines with all the major networks carrying live coverage, because the press loves stories about gun violence. The exact same day a drug overdose incident at a concert in Florida killed 2 and hospitalized 57. But that story barely made it out of local news.

And just for completeness, there were 225 people killed by terrorists from 2001 (post-9/11) to 2016, or 15 per year. With a population of 323 million and an average lifespan of 79 years, that works out to a chance of dying of:

1 in 161,856 - Lightning strike
1 in 272,574 - Terrorism

Weird how no one cared when Obama spent half his presidency golfing

Trump has golfed more than twice as much as President Obama.

http://www.politifact.com/trut...

He's done an amazing job dealing with three unprecedented natural disasters

He's done a shit job in Puerto Rico and has zero legislative accomplishments to his name. By any objective measure, Trump is an historic failure as a president, as a man, and as a human being.

https://www.vox.com/2017/10/1/...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

That's true to a point as long as you do a few things:

Like bury reports on right-wing violence?

No wait, that's the opposite, isn't it?

1) Group all anti-government, non-Muslim religious based attacks as well as white supremacist attacks into the far-right category while at the same time often miscategorizing other attacks such as classifying Fort Hood as 'workplace violence' even with Hasan's confession about his motivations. That actually required an act of Congress to have to the dead and wounded be recognized as victims of a terrorist attack and awarded Purple Hearts.

I remember another act to get other people Purple Hearts.

What was even worse was the Congressional call, where so many people thought they were getting Medals of Honor. That dismayed me. even more than trying to make a drug-addled depressed person into some sort of concerted act of terrorism.

2) Assign political motivations to non-political attacks. Not all attacks by right wingers are motivated by their ideology in the same way not all attacks by left wingers or Jihadists are motivated by theirs; sometimes an attack in a parking lot is just road rage with no deeper meaning.

Deny actual motivation and declare he's just crazy.

Seriously, any right-wing violence is immediately dismissed as mental illness by their pundits, or worse yet, blamed on the left.

3) Start tracking after 2001 and stop tracking after 2015.

Like this?

4) Change the definition of threat as it suits your needs. In some reports "threat" is based off of actual deaths and in others it's by incident. So when you need a bigger number you count the 5 times someone was harassed on the street (with no injury) and say that is a bigger threat than a single shooting that killed multiple people.

Could have told you that ten years ago.

There is also the fact that many Jihadist plots are stopped before the threat ever materializes due to the massive manpower dedicated to just that while far right attacks are not due to their limited nature and next to no dedicated special policing (they seem to be mostly of the "lone gunman", small or single target variety which are very difficult to prevent) . i.e. it's hard to stop a crazy person with a knife until the attack starts vs someone trying to buy large quantities of explosives.

Oh really?

It's just another case of statistics telling you whatever you want them to and not necessarily the truth.

Is that why you oppose the phony statistics often cited by the right?

You do, don't you? Even Jon Kyl's?

Let me spell it out for you since you are clearly logically challenged and/or incapable of grasping basic concepts:

If a business or country hires/pays/blackmails/threatens a person to steal for them and then that entity receives the stolen goods, then that entity is morally and legally guilty of the theft. However, in the case of China, they literally don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks or demands or what is legal/illegal, unless it actually costs them money or power in some way. The US has mountains of evidence from our counter espionage against China that they have stolen US IP hundreds if not thousands of times in the last 20 years. Evidence like photographic evidence of the thief dead dropping the data to a Chinese diplomat, electronic evidence of payouts to the thief from a Chinese state backed entity, testimony from the thief that his family back in China was under threat, etc.

You might want to do a little light reading, maybe have a few of the facts before you start making a fool of yourself. http://www.ipcommission.org/re...

Some other pertinent information:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
http://www.sciencemag.org/news...
http://www.politifact.com/pund...

Except that Hillary's 08 campaign created the claim.

Except they didn't, but even if they did, Hillary did not make Trump spend half a dozen years shouting about it.

Sorry, but no matter how much Trump tries to deflect responsibility, we know what he did, why he did it, and how he did so.

No, he's listening to the news. You are listening to propaganda from government turnip Kris Kobach. Which is pretty funny because you seem like the type to go full-rabid on accusing everyone else of being a sucker for librul propaganda.

Not that any of these will change your mind, you can't reason a man out of a position they never reasoned themselves into. But in case anyone else reading along is wondering just WTF are you talking about:

Sen. Shaheen: There's No Evidence of Illegal Voting in New Hampshire
Is there evidence of voter fraud in New Hampshire, as Kris Kobach said? Not really
Kobach’s Bogus ‘Proof’ of Voter Fraud

Meanwhile, there are actual cases of voter fraud. Steve Bannon. for example. The reason turnips are all so worked up about voter fraud? They are the ones doing it. So they imagine everybody else is just as guilty as themselves because in turnip world there is no right and wrong, there is just your tribe and their tribe.

he already made and lost a fortune several times.

Well, that's the myth at least. We won't know for sure until we see those tax returns.

He's already shown them, and caused the Hillary loving media to weep. Trump's black-mark in business is a casino hotel in NV needing to go into administration (chapter 11), which it soon left to continue as business as normal. The bank that held a significant part of the debt were happy to take a large number of shares in the business as principal repayment. Hillary's media chums won't tell you that, it doesn't fit their rhetoric. It happens hundreds of times per day across the land.

Here's an annotated list of Donald Trump black-marks in business (aka. bankruptcies). And yes, there's more than one of them: http://www.politifact.com/trut... It's worth keeping in mind that this does not count his other failed business ventures that petered out into nothing or ended up being quietly euthanized in a hailstorm of lawsuits and even fraud and racketeering allegations without actually declaring bankruptcy.

California has the nation's higest poverty rate.

State run schools in the US on the whole are an abject failure, both compared to schools in the US historically and compared to schools around the globe. The only honest question is how to fix them.

No, it isn't the only honest question. For example, we might honest question why you think that they are on the whole, an abject failure, when on the whole, there are widely different results in different schools. We might ask honest questions about what is a failing school. We might even ask, honestly, why schools are failing. We might ask honest questions about why you think there is only one question to ask.

Teachers unions have been claiming for 30 years (at least) that the schools need more money and that will fix the problem.

Or we might ask why you are trying to boil down actual specific requests by Teachers, and Teacher's Unions, for various reforms of a variety of forms to simply "Throwing more money at the problem" as you attempt to reduce their position to an easily dismissed slogan.

These questions keep increasing in number.

The US now pays 28% above average for first world countries to educate children: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/c... and US students still score well below average for first world countries.

Nope. Already fact-checked. Found wanting.

But say you are concerned about spending, then control that data for education spending. Examine it carefully. There's another honest question to ask.

Put another way, the US spends on average around $12,000 per student per year for elementary school.

Except...you would know, if you controlled for states, that that average varies WIDELY. Even more so if you control for counties.

In a class of 30 students, that is $360,000 for 180 days of instruction or roughly 9 months.

Oh? Well, the US average teacher salary is under 1/6 of that. Under 60,000 dollars. Where's that other 300,000 going? There's another honest question for you.

Assuming a single teacher per classroom, each teacher is bringing in $2000 PER DAY or $250 PER HOUR.

Well, if you mean in terms of personal enrichment, we know that's false. Or they're only working ~30 days a year.

Any business would be glad to have that kind of income, and only an idiot would be unable to make ends meet with it.

Oh? So you are claiming that a revenue-oriented approach would work? Is that it?

The only way to explain the constant complaint of insufficient funds by teachers unions is gross incompetence.

Oh, so you have an answer to that, yet mysteriously, you don't tell us who is grossly incompetent. Is the Teacher's Union in charge of school spending? Does the Teacher's Union call the tune? Or are other groups influencing the outcomes and setting the score?

For those of you who will complain about the other overhead costs, the average rental price for 1000sf (33x33 classroom) of commercial retail space is $7 PER DAY.

And there's another faulty statistic for you. Commercial retail space is also widely variable in costs, and suitability for class-room instruction is another problem. Plus you know, we do have outdoor spaces at most schools, for some reason. Better factor that in.

Then there's transportation. You know how much is spent on transportation to schools? That's part of your figure.

The bottom line is schools get plenty of money, and are, in general, grossly mismanaged.

Yet you have provided zero demonstrated factu

When both Snopes and Politfact say that the lobster with the EBT card is true, you can be pretty sure it's true...

Did you bother to read Ted Cruz's reason? Two thirds of the money for post-Sandy aid was pork unrelated to hurricane Sandy. Such fiscal malfeasance is why the federal government should not be in the disaster recovery business.

Did you bother to fact-check Ted Cruz's reasons? Even if we accept the claim of materials unrelated to Sandy, that doesn't mean that they were pork, they could be related to other disasters of a similar nature. Or NOAA funding. Oh noes, the horrors. Making sure weather predictions are funded.

Of course, given that it was in the House, then it's Ted's own party to blame for any Pork, so go ahead, name names, why don't you?

Let's see the guilty parties identified. Ted could have done that at the time, and proposed removing those things, but he didn't.

Oh wait, Ted was just grand-standing. Well, now the roosters come home, and he's going to have to identify the pork in the bill to pass a clean one.

Oh wait, he won't?

Huh.

there are facts backing up PolitFact's Truth-o-Meter.

I wish. I really wish I could find some site with objective fact-based journalism. Below is an email I wrote to politifact a few weeks ago, I never got a response. I realize this is getting horribly off topic but didn't see a way to privately message you. The sources you mentioned may be better than some others, but if you look critically you will see their spin and bias.

"I look at your site from time to time and thought it was trustworthy. Today I stumbled on your article titled: "Duffy on track on claim of 1,000-seat pickup by GOP since Obamacare" at http://www.politifact.com/wisc...

I read it twice, and cannot figure out how you could rate the statement "mostly true" as opposed to "true" using logic. You yourself posited the question like this: "Has the GOP really picked up 1,000 seats since the Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010?" And after researching you confirmed that was true, so why isn't the rating "true" ?

I read your explanation: "While Duffy did not directly blame Obamacare for the loss of every seat, he presented it as the primary reason for the Republican gains and Democrat declines. " But Duffy's statement was clearly phrased as "since" and not "because" .

I do not see how an impartial observer would come to your conclusion given the text of what he said in your article. He may have meant that, and maybe things he said before or after gave that impression, but you never quoted anything else to come to that conclusion. More importantly, you say that there are "many reasons for the decline of Democrats" and "Obamacare is not the sole reason for the GOP seat gains " That may be, but the existence of "many reasons" does not mean that Obamacare is not the primary reason. That is a huge logical error. You offer no objective evidence that Obamacare is not the primary reason, yet you rate that part of his statement untrue? Were you assuming his statement meant ""We have a thousand seats we’ve won _solely because of_ Obamacare." ? That is quite a stretch, but if so you should have stated that clearly and provided some reasoning.

Is there something I'm missing about your rating system, like "true" means "100%, no way anyone could possibly disagree" or do you not follow any logical system? "

Hyperbole? LoL. It's people like you who are the problem. You think climate change is just another Hollywood disaster flic that ain't gonna happen. Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, your mind is not able to step out of its comfort zone because it is too lazy or complacent, or simply lacks the imagination to envision things that go beyond your immediate experiences.
Do you think "The Economist" is a magazine that engages in "irrelevant pap"?
http://www.economist.com/clima...

Or maybe you were referring to my depiction of Donald Trump? in that case open your eyes man!

Hey asswipe, don't you need to go plant some flowers at Auschwitz, Srebrenica or along the Berlin Wall?

We don't need any Europeans pissing on the graves of American soldiers. We already have President Trump doing it.

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