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Las Vegas Shooting Leaves at Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Wounded (wsj.com)
Readers share a report: At least 50 people are dead and more than 200 wounded after a shooting late Sunday at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). Police said they were first alerted to reports of an incident at 10:08 p.m. and then determined there was a shooter on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino who was targeting the nearby Route 91 Harvest Festival. Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said in a briefing that officers responded and shot dead the suspect. He said the suspect was a local resident but declined to identify him, citing the ongoing investigation. Police are also trying to locate a female companion, who they named as Marilou Danley, who was traveling with the suspect.
This is what happens when you don't have enough guns. If some of those poor people in the crowd had had rifles, they could have taken the shooter out before so many died.
So is this called Terrorism? Will people of the same skin color now be targeted? Because that would be bad.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Stuff that matters...
Or, just the opposite..
Half the audience was carrying! Why didn't they turn around and all point BOOM! right between the eyes!
Right! - Right!
When Reagan was negotiating the Machine Gun Ban of 1986, he refused to allow Congress to confiscate existing machine guns in circulation. So, existing machine guns were grandfathered in.
We can put an end to this controversy once and for all.
They said not to ban it. They said we needed more of it. They said not to limit our rights for the sake of a few.
Now look where we are.
It's finally time, once and for all, to put an end to country music.
This.
They could have shot back and only some of the people would have died.
As a first responder, this is the kind of stuff we train for and pray we'll never have to respond to. I was doing active shooter training at my town elementary school just last month, and our typical gallows humor was on wide display, the only way we can deal with what would be a horror show in the best possible circumstances and only goes downhill from there.
This kind of thing never happened when I was a kid. How have we as a society come to this? And more importantly what's the answer. Ban guns? I don't personally own a gun and have little thoughts about them one way or the other, but with millions of guns on the street would this ever make a difference? If you ban automatic weapons, are not many regular weapons relatively easy to modify? And much like the war on drugs, I can't help but feel that a war on guns would have much the same effect - people who want them can still readily get them and our prisons are filled to bursting with low-level offenders. Maybe we ban all brown people from coming into the country, except this guy in Vegas wasn't brown, has lived here all his life, and from his profile it seems unlikely he is a jihadist (further information pending). Perhaps this is the fault of our frayed medical safety net which leaves people with serious mental illnesses more or less to fend for themselves, but you can't force people to get mental help or take their medication regularly when they do - as a guy with a bipolar sister, I can swear to that.
Meanwhile politicians will go on TV and spew whatever talking points support whatever their tracking polling tells them, and people out for a night on the town will continue be shot en mass. Anyone have any new ideas, or can convince me that something old will sound somehow new and fresh this time around?
I guess it was a "technical" shooting? !
The selection of of articles has slipped badly over the last few years. This is supposed to be a feed for tech news that we won't see on a national feed or that is delivered here days or weeks before it hits any big media.
It's amazing (but not surprising) how little the lack of meaningful background/facts on this dead guy, his act, his purported "companion" and his motivations matters to those who are already spinning up complex narratives to serve whatever agenda they're usually selling. Doesn't matter who we're talking about or which ax they're grinding. It's just remarkable how consistently the early period following something like this is full of what turns out to be misleading, or outright fictional information. But the speculation and misinformation (it's not even misinformation, it's something else ... just fabrications in the absence of anything solid to go on) now fills in all of the social and traditional media cracks so early and so thoroughly that whenever real information emerges, it can never shake off some of the "facts" that circulated early on.
That indelible quality to whatever gets said first (see, for example, the perfectly incorrect Ferguson story that's still impervious to reality) is well understood now, and creates a sort of awful race to get into that "first mover" narrative position because that's now all that matters. It's not a new observation to say that the 24 hour news cycle generates endless blathering by talking heads looking to fill broadcast time, but the social media frosting on that cake has added an even worse and in many ways far more toxic new layer.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
How is this technology news?
If I could mod your comment into the depths of hell I would. You are making assumptions where there is no information to make such, and showing your own political bias and agenda. And not a very hard attempt either, because the other side of the political spectrum could make the same assumption that he is a Trump support right wing second amendment loving nutjob, since we all know the left is anti gun and this guy had numerious firearms. We also know who he was, a 68 year old native resident of Nevada, which more than likely also makes him a Republican..
But unlike you, I won't jump to conclusions yet to, otherwise I would be a total dick... You should probably do the same else everyone will think you are a total dick.
And yes, while this is not exactly news for nerds, it is still an important event that should be covered.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
You know old angry white guy just screams liberal.
a 68 year old native resident of Nevada, which more than likely also makes him a Republican..
Right, all those Nevada Republicans who kept voting Harry Reid in year after year.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Exactly, shut it up yo.
He probably voted for known Republican Notsy from Nevada, Hairy Reed.
The flowchart is never wrong.
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The guns the guy used were illegal.
Gun laws won't stop crazies.
Psycho gun killers are Democrats or on antidepressants.
Guns stop zillions of other attacks.
99.9% of gun owners don't massacre anyone.
They still kill each other in DC (or gun free zone of your choice).
We need guns to protect ourselves against New Hitler
We've all heard them a million times before.
The fact is, whenever the news of a "active shooter killing spree" comes out the very FIRST thought people have is "Oh, where in the US is it this time??".
Trying to argue for a bit of sanity there is like trying to convince North Koreans that Dear Leader does actually poo, it's an almost impossible task.
Hey, a whole classroom of kids got slaughtered at Sandy Hook and they did NOTHING. This won't be any different.
The cannon fodder have been conditioned far too well. Not only do they willingly walk to the slaughterhouse, they protest the rights of the slaughterman to kill them.
Just like their second rate healthcare system, and their lack of a social safety net, the ones at the top in the US are only interested in profit. Guns are big business, like healthcare and private prisons. Lots of money to be made, and votes to be had. It's only the little people that carry the burden, so that's ok.
There's no point in rebutting the same old points they raise over and over again. It's just water off a ducks back.
So, now it's time for more "thoughts and prayers", no meaningful action, and some collective amnesia until we read about the next American mass murder obscenity in a week, or months time.
White guy in his 60's, living in Nevada, with guns. Yep, classic liberal demographic.
We don't know yet. But we know people like you are jerks with zero humanity. You just told us.
The weapon was fully automatic, which is very tightly regulated. It is likely the shooter either modified a weapon illegally or obtained one on the black market. That is no normal "assault rifle".
I slowed down one of the eyewitness videos and used a tap-counter to count how many rounds were fired. I counted 80 rounds in a single burst. He was either using a belt-fed automatic weapon, or some specialized extremely high capacity magazine. The standard magazine you can buy for an assault rifle is 30 rounds.
For all of the commentators saying this is what America gets for guns being legalized, I would like to point out that in Europe there have been far more attacks using fully automatic, illegal weapons like what just happened in Las Vegas, than in the USA. In fact, Europe still holds the record for the most people killed in mass incidents of this kind. This was a premeditated attack using specialized weapons by someone so incredibly deranged and unhinged that they would obtain several thousands of dollars of gear ahead of time, then open fire on a crowd of innocent people over and over with a fully automatic weapon.
Better known as 318230.
...and have effectively no barriers to mentally deranged people getting hold of enough weaponry to start a small war !
What could possibly go wrong ???
Oh, wait.....
In certain parts of the country, gun ownership is as good a political indicator as fishing rod ownership.
"which more than likely also makes him a Republican" and then " I won't jump to conclusions yet"
Sounds like you already did, bro.
Less than 12 hours and the political blame game already well underway.
Can we all just agree the guy was a fucked up human.... I just wish people that miserable would just use one bullet into their brain instead of killing innocent people as well.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Expect swarms of people to demand that our freedoms be curtailed so that "this can never happen again!" Expect the same swarms of people to be just as stupid and reaction-driven as they were every other time a bad thing has happened in the United States. Let's not address the source of the problem, let's make sure they just have to do the bad deeds in a slightly different manner with the same degree of success.
No, we can't, because Slashdot is here to propagandize and capitalize on such events.
Statistics. Learn about them. But always remember that statistics aren't truth _for_a_subset_ of what the statistics measure.
It needs to be banned until we can figure out what's going on.
You are picking an choosing statements from a sentence and taking them out of context. That's a no no.
That particular aspect of course, I should have backed up, which say a link. https://www.nytimes.com/electi...
You will note that the majority of the state is red, so that backs up my statement "which more than likely", which is a guess based on statistical data. Then again, at the same time the individual was from Misquite NV, which is in Clark County, same county as Las Vegas, which went blue. But like most counties that have major metro areas, the city typically goes blue, where as the surrounding areas are usually a solid red, but the number of city votes beats the rural ones (very similar to Virginia in which Northern Virginia is solidly blue, but the rest is solid red).
The point being, I made a supposition to support my original statement "because the other side of the political spectrum could make the same assumption" showing the OP that I could do the same thing and go in the opposite direction, providing the same guess work, and coming up with an opposite ideological conclusion.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
This is a whole new level of insanity I just cannot wrap my head around. I just don't understand the mentality or whacked-out level of disgruntlement, depression and motive it takes to want to walk into a concert and mow human beings down with an assault rifle (I presume), then have your own life taken. That in itself, minus the news-fed death toll that's rising as I type this, is a tragedy.
It's just downright scary as fuck anymore to go to any public event. I look at the school shootings from the late 1990's and 2000's, that 'joker' impersonator who took lives at the Batman movie premiere, Boston marathon bombings, the Ariana Grande concert in London as of late, and now at a fucking Country music concert at Las Vegas? Talk about wanting to just stay at home anymore. Living in the United States or not, I think anyone is going to start second-guessing
Point I'm getting at is, one life or a million lives, this insider-thread-homeland or organization-led terrorism shit happens every day on scales that blow my mind. I wish that it all made headlines so we'd, as a world of people, would figure out how to handle it. Because it's not right or just, and even though this is making huge headlines, we sure don't blink more than once at headlines for any war-torn country where a car bomb erases hundreds of lives --- and that's just as terrorism-led and tragic. We need to stop minimizing it and come together to end this type of behavior.
It's honestly sad and I'd be the first one to say, the more and more this happens, the less and less I seem to find an answer to any of it.
Healthier than you, wealthier than you, happier than you, freer than you, longer living than you, better educated than you, safer than you.
And no, not European.
Now, go carry my bags boy, there's a nice shiny new nickel in it for you !
There's a good lad !
"A white conservative killed people, its Trumps fault!!!"
"Actually he was a hardcore liberal"
"Umm...can we all agree not to talk about political affiliations"
yeah i mean they ALWAYS shoot up country concerns.....
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Funny, I read your source material.. while a heavily right leaning site... no where in that article is there a reference to any political leanings, right or left.. Not sure if I would call that publication a more reliable source since it appears a good chunk of what they are reporting on came from the AP newswire.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Europe is a continent, dickwad, not a political idea
There are places in Europe where it's fully legal.
We don't know yet.
Yes we do. 64 years old, lived in Mesquite, no currently known political affiliation despite what some AC trolls on here are saying. Over 400 sent to hospitals, roughly 10 firearms found in his hotel room, apparently killed himself before police arrived.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Wut?
Other half - "Stuff that matters".
You bring up a very poor example and demonstrate your lack of knowledge by using NOVA. Its proximity to Washington DC and the politicians that work in DC but live in NOVA are the reason that this area is blue. I have family that has lived in NOVA since the 70's, and let me tell you, they're red as hell. As in, red-neck. And pulling the (R) lever at the polls.
I'm posting anonymously, so I'm pretty sure not one single claim of yours can be substantiated, especially since you're also posting anonymously and didn't reveal your magical unicorn location.
Left, right, get everyone riled up?
New account? Are you an American or one of those Russian propagandists out to sow discord we were told about only a few days ago? My money's on the latter.
Pretty sure this falls under the "stuff that matters" part of the site.
Otherwise, take your whataboutisms and go to hell, scum.
The reason stories like this make it to the front page is because we give it a hell of a lot of comments and even more views. As of this response the story has been on the page for nearly an hour and a half has already broken more than 135 comments while the actual tech story about a backdoor in Cisco's Umbrella platform has been up nearly two hours and....there's 10. 10 comments.
The Slashdot editors are simply responding to the communities actions as to what stories to pull to the front page and ignoring our denouncements. Actions speak louder that words. If we actually responded to the tech stories more than this trash...we'd see more of those. But... judging by the comment volumes alone, tech stories just don't interest the community much.
200 bucks this was a white on anti-depression medicines.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
If the shooter was shooting from a hotel room in the Mandalay Bay (shooting came from the 37th floor of MB which I assume are hotel rooms), and is known to be a guest of the hotel, why would you assume the shooter was a Nevada resident?
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
You conservatives getting all riled up and ready to pin it on a liberal on this one.
I was hinting at the last liberal that shot up a baseball practice and that this probably wasn't a muslim.
Being vegan is political, man. We want to save the world.
Right, because trying to decide how a deranged lone gunman voted and ascribing standard political motives makes so much sense. "On the one hand the right stand for individual and corporate freedom while the left tend to prefer social cohesion and fairer redistribution of wealth so on balance I'm going to get a bunch of guns and kill as many strangers as i can."
False? False flag you mean.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Helps with mankinds carbon footprint after the media furore passes (on a simplistic basis - taking out USAians - actually wondering how much extra electricity/fuel would be used as a result of this, how many flights affected, etc, etc - net impacts).
I am very sucseptible to "let's have another drink"
He was usmc and showed what can be done from up high.
lee harvey oswald also usmc got off a lot of rounds with that old gun as well.
Can we all just agree the guy was a fucked up human.... I just wish people that miserable would just use one bullet into their brain instead of killing innocent people as well.
Despite how divisive politics is these days, once you make the jump to go on a killing rampage the only real allegiance you have is to violent authoritarianism. Whatever perceived injustices that led one to commit that kind of atrocity is more like the window dressings that surround a deranged mind. People like James Hodgkinson, Stephen Paddock, and even Timothy McVeigh have a lot more in common than they do separating them apart. It's really important that we stop trying to project these people as extensions of the left or right. It makes it too easy for people to start demonizing anyone that doesn't agree with them.
It's pretty obvious if Stephen Paddock's name was something like Abdul Fatah, the entire right would be screaming "Terrorist!" (which is how Breitbart started their coverage). It looks like it was an old white guy with an Anglo name, though, which complicates things. If it turns out Paddock was a lefty...Terrorism!!! If Paddock was a conservative, the blame will fall on mental health issues which weren't addressed because Obamacare.
I'm betting on a different motive: the guy was a music lover.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
If you believe that a 68 year old lone pensioner single-handedly killed 50+ people, you are delusional and the media controls your brain. That feat would take a belt-fed machine gun, i.e. Rambo himself brandishing an M60 or two and wrapped in ammunition toe-to-chin like a mexican highwayman from the gang of Pancho Villa.
Can you imagine the power of recoil from firing hundreds of full rifle caliber bullets, not some puny, reduced power load "assault" cartridges of the M16 / AK47 types? There is no way a 68 year old can take that beating while maintaining an aim good enough to reliably hit even a stadium. His shoulder blade would be broken quickly, since osteo-porosis is one of the foremost side effects of aging.
To summarize, this event was as much a lone perp incident as JFK was. I mean Oswald of the schoolbook warehouse fame supposedly fired 3 accurate shots against a moving target in under two seconds with a telescoped bolt-action rifle. That was some grassy knoll for sure!
Slashdot is an equal opportunity partisan forum though.
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Do you have a source?
because media is here to propagandize and capitalize on such events.
FTFY. It's not just /.. It's everywhere. On NPR a guy was advocating for pre-crime.
Like Baltimore and Chicago.
Works well, doesn't it?
Why do gun grabbers always seem to also deride the "War on Drugs" for not being realistic?
The greatest danger to democracy is not enemies external and internal, it is the apathy and ignorance of the voting public. Sadly our voters are misinformed, and are apathetic. So the irrational guys keep winning.
Still we should continue to be rational and sane, and pray and hope someday the adage "you can't fool all the people all the time" will come true.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
duh, another old white man goes on a rampage killing innocent men, women and children. Probably a huge supporter of MAGA too.
What you describe is exactly why MTV and SCIFI and History channels turned into complete and utter crap. Pandering to the lowest common denominator ruins everything good. I don't give a fuck if 50 people died hundreds of miles away. I don't care. GROW SOME BALLS you pansy fairy fucks. People die every fucking day. You might die tomorrow. I might die tomorrow. Death is a part of life that you need to accept as an adult.
I wish I had mod points because that's a damn fine comment right there. There is a subset of people in this world who for whatever reason are capable of this kind of thing. They might be looking for an excuse to do it but where they get their excuse isn't the point of the problem. They can find it on the left or on the right just as easily. They can find it in the morning traffic. When they find it that's when people start dying. The same thing that sets them off might just spoil my morning or put you in a bad mood all day. At worst it might make you or I more active on some issue or topic but the people who can do this are a whole other cut of cloth entirely.
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
Who gives a damn what his political affiliation was? He's not a shining example of any ideal other than psychopathic self-obsession and hatred of his own life.
I'm so sick of the idea that someone who believes something and does something bad makes that belief bad - it's not even remotely the case because if the belief were bad everyone who holds it would be doing the bad things.
The issue about guns is simple: we have them so we have less government-induced oppression, if we lack them we have more government-induced oppression.
History has shown that governments oppressing people lead to far more deaths than even if you gave every mass shooter in history a nuke and assumed they dropped it on the most populated city remaining.
If we lost 99% of the population through the course of their lives to mass shooters it would still be better than taking everyone's guns and in turn letting the corrupt politicians steamroll over everyone else at a whim, at least mass shooters are random so it doesn't change the demographics for the worse.
What the hell is this site turning into? Don't we have enough other news portals to cover these stories? Anybody knows another site which is more like slashdot when it was about news for nerds..?
Naw, they ran off the people who had brains. The userbase here now is approximately 87.4% zombies.
You saw what happened to the "unsinkable" Digg, didn't you?
Because they already identified the shooter, there is no assumption. The guys name is Stephan Paddock from Misquite NV.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Last I checked.. I'm pretty well aware of the area's political makeup.. considering in the last 20 years, I have lived in Fairfax (VA), Arlington (VA), Alexandria (VA), DC proper, Bowie (MD) and Annapolis (MD). Regardless of why the area is blue, it is a fact that NOVA is blue, and the rest of the state is red. That however does not mean that every person in NOVA is blue, and every person in the rest of the state is red. So no, there is nothing wrong with my example.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Speaking as an outsider, these days it feels as if all discourse in the USA exists only within the narrative of Red Team vs. Blue Team –and it doesn't actually matter what those teams represent or what they do. Even things like the well-being of the country are secondary to the question of which team "wins". That is deeply troubling –especially since the USA have nuclear weapons and a propensity to project their power wherever they want. An unstable USA is in nobody's interest.
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Read my original statement above, that was the point I was trying to make (and apparently failing.. maybe I need to use smaller words...). The OP I responded to automatically called the shooter a left wing extremist without providing any information. My response was that I could use the same thought process and come up with the opposite result.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Then you need to clean your ears, bro.
We need to stop looking so hard at the "left vs. right" paradigm, and start looking at the "asshole vs. great person" paradigm.
This guy falls strongly on the asshole side of the spectrum. I guarantee it.
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They know who he is (was). No need to assume.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
History is informative here. Despots for hundreds of years have used "mental health" to strip rights from political opponents. There are plenty of progressives who view the desire to own a gun a sign of mental health issues and would use that to strip people of their rights.
Since this story involves guns, this will be one of those submissions with 1000+ comments before the day is out.
There will be everything from both sides, lots of hate, shit slinging and probably even a few conspiracy theories and / or how it's Trumps or Russia's fault. Democrats and the anti-gun crowd will blame it on lax gun laws and the ability to buy / own guns, Republicans and the pro-gun folks will blame the guys mental health. Responsible gun owners will just sit at home and :facepalm: at all the stupidity that will be forthcoming. The Social Justice Armies will be out in full strength on both sides.
One things for certain, there will be lots of hate and blame over the next month or so. Knee jerk legislation will be forthcoming from a few of the idiots in Congress to ban everything under the sun. It will probably go nowhere, which will generate even more hate for the current administration for " doing nothing ". There will probably be someone who will start a movement and give it some silly name prefixed with a hashtag.
In the end, we'll learn the guy was probably on LE radar for quite a long time before he finally snapped and took out his anger on the world. Folks will want to know why nothing was done and we'll probably end up with fewer rights down the road than we have today because of it. ( As they say in politics, never let a tragedy go to waste. )
What strikes me odd is the guy's age ( 64 ) and what possibly could have caused a melt-down like this that created the anger necessary to randomly kill as many people as he could.
All I can add because American _culture_ is insane. This is a dead society just waiting for Uncle Sam's corpse to hit the ground. No sanity from the Republicans. No sanity from the Democrats. No groundswell of citizens rising up to say "Enough!" So, whatever. Nihilism reigns. "New record!"
It is too bad we now live in a world, where the crazy actions of a Madman where we must assume that such actions are politically motivated. He may be a Republican, but his actions may not be politically motivated.
In terms of politics Country Music Fans are a diverse bunch. So it wouldn't be a good venue to make any sort of statement.
The thing that I fear the most, is how divided we are politically where the actual divide isn't that far. However we are so on edge, that one bad spark, could have disastrous consequences.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The problem we have in America is a lack of tolerance for anything. We can't just agree to disagree, we have to invoke violence to take out our aggressions. It's going to take a while to figure out why this guy did what he did. But whatever it is it won't justify this. The fact the gun he used hasn't been legal in decades in the US only proves its very hard to control a crackpot who wants to kill. Gun's don't kill alone, you need a wacko with a will to kill to pull the trigger.
No one is calling for an outright ban... okay some are... fine a good majority are, but in many cases that is a knee jerk reaction to a heinous crime like this. Many sane people that are anti gun in their own homes (like my wife), are more for better control, and meaningful regulations. Would that eliminate all gun violence, of course not, but it would cut down on it to a major extent, and make those who are too stupid (read: irresponsible) to own guns more liable to the damage and death caused by them. Laws, and for that matter, the Constitution itself, really do need to catch up with the times. Not saying radical changes, but what the framers had in mind when it was written, is not how we exist today. Things change, and as a country and a populace, we need to change appropriately, which means, time to rethink some laws and Constitutional elements.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
The important thing is we all take a minute to realize that while lives have been lost, this is not the time to bring up gun safety. Just as hurricanes are not the time to bring up global warming, climate change or any of that.
The real problem America faces is the pansy assed disrespectful overpaid so called athletes playing football without giving a seig heil to the flag.
I think we as a nation is generally on edge, about the people who have different politics then you. Where Russian Fake news, had more or less successfully radicalized both political spectrum, to destabilize our country. So we are all fearful that the other guy in a fit or rage will attack us.
I myself who drives a Prius, tend to be weary of the people driving Pickup trucks especially ones with conservative bumper stickers, as the Car that I bought mostly to save money on Gasoline may see my Car as a Far left political statement, and may try to run me off the road. I have never actually had any problems with these trucks, but because of the political climate it became a fear that I never had before.
Trump whether or not if you like him, has not done anything to help bridge these gaps and fears, and for the most part had made it worse. To be fair Obama, didn't do enough to bridge the gap as well, and he started the wedge.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
> Even things like the well-being of the country are secondary to the question of which team "wins".
This is the thing that irritates me the most about US-American politics. Where I live we just had a general election and though the party I voted for did not win the majority and will be in opposition I'm fine with other parties trying to form a (3-party) coalition. They will try to govern all of our country in a way that they perceive as possible optimum for all of the people. Even if I will disagree with some of those decisions they will be justifiable.
I guess my friends voted for at least 5 different parties in these elections, one even was the head of the local election campaign for a party I decidedly did not vote for.
Yet we don't beat each other up but have passionate discussions over beer and dinner.
What is wrong with "you" in the US?
Healthier than you :
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-healthcare-ranked-second-best-in-developed-world/8716326
Wealthier than you :
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-countries-with-the-highest-average-wealth-2016-11
Happier than you:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/20/norway-ranked-worlds-happiest-country-as-the-us-gets-sadder.html
Freer than you:
https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index
Longer living than you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Better educated than you:
http://www.oecd.org/edu/education-at-a-glance-19991487.htm (results are mixed though, education spending per student is higher than the US, about the same number of tertiary educated professionals, but costs per degree lower than the US....not a clear winner but overall ahead as university doesn't leave Australian grads with US levels of crippling student debt).
Safer than you:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
Wow...US has 57 the murder rate than Australia.....who knew ?
I don't blame you though. Having lived in both countries it's always amusing to see that moment when the light bulb goes off in Americans heads when they finally work out they've been lied to for a very long time. Of course, it's a self confirming sample but a straw poll of my American friends currently here in OZ would reveal their thoughts on going back permanently to the US "Fuck no, go back to that mental asylum?..are you crazy?"..
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go water my Unicorn.
he was a radical leftist nutjob.
Got a source on that? I haven't seen any indication of his motives at all so far.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Because hurr hurr durr statistics matter in determining individual characteristics.
So much for better educated... amirite? Retard.
Till we know for sure, we cannot really make any assumptions, I agree with that (although apparently my prior statement did not come across as such as I was responding to someone who made an assumption that it was one side, and I posted an attempt to show that I could just as easily show the opposite, and was not actually making that assertion in earnest).
You are right that country music fans are a diverse bunch, in fact, I would say that for many genres, music brings people from all backgrounds together.
It may have just been a target of opportunity at the time. LV is full of people at all times of the day and night. I have been there for more than 10 years of Blackhat and Defcons (I generally don't like LV). Last week or the week before was an even bigger music festival (the I Heart Radio one).. I dunno.. I'm just rambling now...... I'd like to say it could have been worse had it not been for the quick response by law enforcement, but with more than 50 dead and 400 injured now... but that just seems hollow...
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Do it! But no, you love to shoot people.
The problem in the US right now is that many people on both sides of the political spectrum pick one issue they care about and choose a candidate simply because of that. There's a large subset of Americans that only care about the 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms (own guns). They don't give a shit about the rest of our Bill of Rights as long as they keep their guns. On the other side, there are people that want open borders hell or high water.
These people are lost to reason. There can be no compromise.
I'm stuck in the middle, however we're such a minority now and also relatively soft spoken that our opinions are washed out. The talking heads want controversy.. if the people are too busy fighting with each other we'll never see how terrible our elected officials are. If Trump wants to drain the swamp, term limits are needed for Congress.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Wut?
Do you know the difference between a guarantee and a tagline?
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Because if not, owning a gun means fuck all. A handgun is sometimes carried in the streets of a US city, as long as you're not black or arguing with a cop, but nope, not rifles. Except as an NRA protest or similar arranged situation. As a normal everyday thing? Nope. Owning a rifle that is 14 miles away really doesn't mean jack or shit.
Instead of showing some empathy for victims and families you think about how you could have killed more people? A tragedy just happened and you start pointing fingers and playing victim. Shame on you. Shame on whomever raised you. We need to come together when shit hits the fan, not politics.
What you describe is exactly why MTV and SCIFI and History channels turned into complete and utter crap. Pandering to the lowest common denominator ruins everything good. I don't give a fuck if 50 people died hundreds of miles away. I don't care. GROW SOME BALLS you pansy fairy fucks. People die every fucking day. You might die tomorrow. I might die tomorrow. Death is a part of life that you need to accept as an adult.
So don't click on it and go add to the comments on the actual tech articles. It's not fucking difficult.
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But those against 2 are highly motivated and armed and will refuse to let anyone in who would enact #2, whilst the donors are against #1.
This is bullshit. There is no such right. The 1st Amendment protects them from government prosecution — one can not be jailed for making a statement. It does not protect them — nor anyone else — from the disgust of their fellow citizens. Private employers may fire assholes — indeed, just the other day y'all were celebrating firings of the folks (accused of) taking parts in KKK marches...
Consistency much?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I understand the inclination to never let a good disaster go to waste for an agenda, but
Given someone chooses to do this, there are many tools to choose from.
Guns are just one option in one subcategory.
Eliminating them would cause the crazy to pick another tool.
Eliminating thru a law is problematic because the automatic weapons used are likely already illegal.
To fix this problem you need to understand and address what would make a person want to kill this many innocent folks and then themselves.
What is this guy's background.
Were there any recent events in his life which might have pushed him over the edge.
Who was he in contact with before and during the incident.
Has this always been a problem, or has society changed to make this more likely now.
You're citing a source in the attempt to use geographical area to make conclusions about distribution of political disposition. You do know that population density is not equal throughout the State of Nevada, right? Or really any other state, for that matter. You know that there are vast deserts and tracts of highly restricted land in Nevada where they used to actually detonate nuclear weapons because literally nobody is there? It's over 1,200 square miles of nobody.
In your own source, 9 out of 15 of those "red" counties had less than 10,000 total voters in a Presidential election, where the two "blue" counties each had well over 100,000 votes tallied, with Clark County having over 500,000 votes recorded. Are you saying that Eureka County is just as populous as Clark County (2.115 million people per the US Census Bureau), but only had 0.038% voter turnout (798 total votes - your linked source)? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying.
You would probably look at the county election results in Oregon and come to the same conclusion, because of the same basic mistake: Oregon is filled with Republicans because the majority of the counties are red! Except that Hillary carried the state 50 to 40, and the State Legislature is made up of 52 Democrats to 38 Republicans [Senate: 17(D)-13(R); House: 35(D) - 25(R)]. And this isn't an abberation - it's been that way in Oregon for a long time.
Population distribution is not equal across counties, therefore a map showing county election results as "blue" or "red" is not useful for statistically determining anything about the population's political disposition. When you add in the other information on the page you linked, it tells a completely different story - and that story is that you are wrong.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
These may all be arguments for abolishing the Second Amendment. But, so long as it remains the law of the land, it must be obeyed and all the laws limiting weapon-owning and carrying are just that: unconstitutional. And I'm not talking about just guns either — in NJ, for example, it is illegal to possess even a slingshot!
And, no, "licensing" requirements are not constitutional either: because it is not a right, if exercising it requires a government's permission.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Wut?
This is not stuff that matters. It's a political story for views. I don't have modpoints for the FPoster, so I will repeat the message.
Often wrong but never in doubt.
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What were the police doing during this?
Why couldn't they at least return fire?
Above and beyond all arguments this tragedy will create, to me, this is the number one talking point.
WTF were the cops doing?!?
The issue about guns is simple: we have them so we have less government-induced oppression, if we lack them we have more government-induced oppression.
The problem is that Americans have forgot the other half of the equation, namely that a large standing army leads to oppression. That's the reason that the militia was mentioned in the 2nd and the Army had to be refinanced regularly, unlike the Navy, in the main part of the Constitution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
http://www.express.co.uk/news/... Much sadness as the war against humanity continues.
The tree of low-paperwork gun ownership must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocent bystanders and law enforcement officers. Is it safe to assume the country folk at this concert would've been happy to sacrifice their lives for the cause?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It's not. It's "Stuff That Matters." Please pay attention.
We were intended to have a militia as opposed to a standing army. We re-thought that idea after the militia failed to prevent the Capitol from being burned, but did not revise the Constitution. One of the problems with starting the first modern democracy was that we didn't know what that would look like, and the Founders had somewhat romantic ideals there. It was envisioned that we would be a nation of citizen-farmers, self-sufficient men defending their own soil. This is still a popular idea, but in practice not everyone is capable or interested in living off their own land, and there isn't really a good substitute for the professional soldier. The consequences of 1814 seem to have been the 2nd Amendment dying the death of a thousand cuts, and the creation of the most powerful military in history.
Supporters of the 2nd Amendment tend to ignore these inconsistencies. I think we should try to resolve them. Either "shall not be infringed" should be interpreted more literally, and the military disbanded, or we should revise the Constitution to reflect the current state of affairs.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
To be fair, the shooters social media account is riddled with the evidence you say doesn't exist.
No this doesn't need to be on Slashdot. If you want to read about people getting shot you would go to a normal news website not a site for nerd news. Unless the article talks about technical aspects of this event it does not belong here.
I come here because I don't want to see this type of shit.
only the rich will have guns. Kinda like drugs. Is this really what we want?
The Decline and Fall of The American Empire.
"If we lost 99% of the population through the course of their lives to mass shooters it would still be better than taking everyone's guns and in turn letting the corrupt politicians steamroll over everyone else at a whim, at least mass shooters are random so it doesn't change the demographics for the worse."
You seem to be a conspiracy theory enthusiast of the largest order. I just want to laugh at your reasoning in this quote of yours but its scary you can think thats a smart rationale.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
I agree, militas are horribly under-equipped - they were supposed to have the same firepower as the military to avoid any possibility of oppression. As it stands we have enough guns to ensure the government can't get away with rounding people up en mass, but not enough to have politicians perpetually living in fear of the consequences of fucking up and thereby acting in our interests.
Slashdot could stop pandering to the likes of you by getting rid of AC postings
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
If you repeat that 1000 times, does that make it true?
you think Americans are brainwashed into being gun lovers?
Like our Founding Fathers, who believed that the only way to keep this Country free is to enshrine the Right to keep and bear arms in our Constitution, so that people could defend themselves from any threat.
But let's ignore the fact that it Is our Right.
You are obviously against the idea of Americans being able to defend themselves. so, in your own words, what do you feel should be done to prevent this kind of tragedy, and how do you envision actually enforcing this in such a way that would actually prevent this.
And, while you're at it, what do you propose to keep people safe that doesn't have them sitting around for minutes or hours waiting for SOMEONE WITH A GUN to show up to defend them from a bad guy?
And, again, while you're at it, what method do you propose that would protect the Rights of the People from not only invading forces, but from their own government? A government that is ALREADY attempting to usurp (and in some States HAS infringed!) not only our Second Amendment Rights, but many others.
I found the site to be pretty objective actually and I'm glad he linked to it. I think though he is referring to a link shared in one of the comments. It basically shows that some guy is left leaning and is also a friend of the same chick he was (kinda dumb association but its a comment)? I don't know, the comments seem to be crack pot on that site but the blog itself seemed to be pretty factual.
Read the constitution, don't get your talking points from MSNBC
You wrote
""as part of a well organized militia" bit. Emphasis on "well organized","
The wording is well regulated militia. Back in the days of the founders, well regulated meant working or functional.
The bill of rights were meant to prevent the over reach of a tyrannical government (king George whom they just defeated at great cost).
"THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. "
A shooting is when some asshole intentionally shoots a target.
A terrorist attack is killing many people at random with whatever means necessary.
We don't know yet.
Yes we do. 64 years old, lived in Mesquite, no currently known political affiliation despite what some AC trolls on here are saying. Over 400 sent to hospitals, roughly 10 firearms found in his hotel room, apparently killed himself before police arrived.
A converted Muslim, recruited by ISIS.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
once you make the jump to go on a killing rampage the only real allegiance you have is to violent authoritarianism
Where'd you get this idea? Someone like this could just as easily be an anarchist. Or a nihilist, who doesn't fall anywhere on the left-right political spectrum. This sort of thing doesn't have to be motivated by ideals or mental illness. Disillusionment is enough, in some cases.
I guess that's most of the point that you were making. And that's a fine point.
I own a tiny hybrid and a HUGE pickup truck. I worry about not seeing small vehicles sometimes while driving the truck. I don't worry much about trucks seeing me.
You worry too much about political statements. We're not all on edge, but you are. Step away from the media. They make money by glueing you to themselves for profit. Rob them of the profit and have a more relaxed life.
---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
I know it's going to be pointless debating anyone online/here about this, but I just wanted to drop some points for thought.
Not all liberals are anti-gun. This liberal owns several. But that's because I also own fire-extinguishers, and not because I'm trying to play fireman/cop. I own them because I recognize and accept that it's my personal responsibility to control an immediate emergency as best I can until the pros arrive. Which can be 30-45 mins in rural areas. I hope I never have to use either.
I also recognize that I have a 1-in 110,000 chance of dying in a mass shooting, as terrible and sad as events like this are. Meanwhile I have a 1-in-113 chance of dying in a car accident. So I try to live my life with some perspective and control my fear/paranoia.
This was a concert? The 'goers already had phones out taking video. I bet there will be hundreds of shaky videos of this event surfacing in the next few hours. Some Quite graphic.
This ones going to be viewed from every angle for months.
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
Islamic state claims Las Vegas shooting, says attacker recent convert to Islam
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgocq5mq-36QwAOo964SFhZuufIcVxX0S
nothing to sea here, move along.
Where would that be? Category A weapons - used in this shooting - are essentially banned in all of the EU. Norway and Switzerland also recognize and follow the EU firearms directive.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
One can't take a well defensible, higher ground, position, lock himself up there and keep lobbing cars or pressure cookers at thousands of people half a mile or more in the distance.
Nor can one ambush those thousands of people with a car. Or keep running over people once they realize that the driver of said car is running people over.
Purely based on a fact that a car is a lot more visible and avoidable than a bullet.
One can dodge a Dodge but one can't bullet a bullet.
And while one CAN ambush people with a pressure cooker... Constructing one, then hauling it and placing it without blowing oneself up IS a tiny-winy bit trickier than point and click effort of using a gun.
One can't just bang-bang-bang at a crowd outside one's window with a car or a pressure cooker cause one is suddenly and gravely disappointed in the effectiveness of those pills which promised that penis enlargement OR cause one is annoyed with loud music those pesky kids are playing.
One can't do either on whim - the way someone with a gun can.
Plus... Neither cars nor weaponized pressure cookers grow on trees, and it is easier to find a gun store in US of A than a store selling... well... anything other than gasoline.
There 14146 McDonald's restaurants in the US, 16708 franchised car dealers, 36536 grocery stores and 143849 gas stations... but 51438 gun retailers.
129817 gun dealers if you count in "collectors" (61,562), pawn shops (7,356), and importers and manufacturers.
And WE KNOW that Americans have a McDonald's problem.
But even if cars and cooker did grow on trees - one still has to find the said tree, pick the car, drive it to where people are, get enough traction...
I mean... look at that cunt in Charleston.
He had to drive AAAALLL the way from Ohio to South Carolina, only to be able to run over a single person.
It took planning. And work. And driving. And finding his way around a foreign town.
You can't just type in "People to run over with a car" in your GPS, you know?
Also, fenced venues such as open air concerts tend not to allow one to take cars OR weaponized pressure cookers inside.
But you can still squeeze off a couple of shots inside.
Just get yourself some high ground and... bang-bang-bang your way to that penis enlargement! Show the world you're NOT firing blanks!
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
A converted Muslim, recruited by ISIS.
From your own article:
Yet the FBI later said it determined the shooter has "no connection with an international terrorist group."
The initial claim was based on a report from SITE Intel Group, which said the terror organization claimed responsibility through its Amaq news agency, although ISIS has yet to offer proof of its claim.
ISIS has falsely claimed responsibility for attacks in the past, including a June attack at a casino in the Philippines that left 37 people dead. Police denied the incident was terror-related despite ISIS's claim, and said it was instead perpetrated by a 42-year-old man who had a gambling problem and was in debt.
Sorry dude, you got nothing.
A converted Muslim, recruited by ISIS.
When my grandmother died peacefully in her bed surrounded by loved ones, I got a letter from ISIS the following day claiming both responsibility for her death and the hope that those of us within a 10 meter radius of her died of mourning.
You seem to be a conspiracy theory enthusiast of the largest order. I just want to laugh at your reasoning in this quote of yours but its scary you can think thats a smart rationale.
The first move of every single repressive regime in history has been to confiscate weapons from the people they aim to oppress. That's not conspiracy, it's history.
He's from Clark County, nary a more nutty collection of righty-liberty types in the nation.
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What the framers of the Constitution had in mind was that the people should be permitted to have military grade fully functional weapons at their immediate disposal to keep the government from getting out of hand. Even then, not everyone could afford their own cannon or warship, but the framers had in mind that anyone who could, should be permitted to do so.
A news story says that some neighbors are getting bent out of shape down south by a man with a fully operational WWII tank parked in front of his house. The framers would have been OK with this, although they would have considered it a relic and would have preferred a modern variant.
The problem isn't the weapons. The problem is the people's morals. When everyone has a proper fear and reverence for God again, you won't have to worry about who has a fully automatic pistol on their hip. And even the crazy people who don't have any business with a fully automatic pistol on their hip would be far less likely to actually use one if there were no gun free zones and the probability was 100% that at least a few people where they were intending to cause mayhem were armed and knew how to use their weapons - it's why gun free zones are so popular as a target environment today.
You can argue we have an Department of Defense today, with all that entails along with a National Guard. The debate on which model would be better - the one the framers of the Constitution championed or the one we have now actually makes us safer (when including the debt and animosity caused by all of our wars) could go on for pages. I hope it doesn't. But have no doubt about what the framers intended.
Less than 12 hours and the political blame game already well underway.
Thanks, Trump!!
No, we do know his political affiliation: registered Democrat, Rachel Madow fan, had ties to antifa. All confirmed. Except that because that doesn't fall into the "gun nut" profile, the MSM is burying it, but you can find it out there if you look.
But have no doubt about what the framers intended.
Why? Must we think that they would march in lockstep with whatever ideology you claim they'd support, or can we not see some indications otherwise, including their own suppression of rebellions, conduct in office, and more?
And that's leaving aside whether they'd think differently today, with an entirely different set of circumstances as well as some significant evidence of their more obvious errors. Who knows, they might think otherwise, knowing what they wrought.
But it hardly matters, they're dead, they don't have a vote, let alone controlling influence. I'd respect you more if you weren't so devoted to enshrining them in support of your own cause, but sadly, you have fallen for the mistake of idolization.
Me, I'd hope that they'd be disgusted as your devotion, even if I'm a bit uncertain. Some people do find worship of themselves to be appealing.
Actually, his family said he had no political affiliation that they knew of. Not everything is political. It's also worth mentioning that ISIS is taking credit saying he was radicalized months ago. That hasn't been confirmed, but in light of the number of people and lack of explanation it makes sense.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
The actual meaning of the 2nd Amendment continues to be debated. Why not instead turn to addressing a non-Constitutionally-protected activity that killed at least 10000 people in 2015, an activity for which over a million people were arrested that same year?
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
If we can't "fix the gun problem," maybe we can figure out how to agree on something less controversial.
It's about divide and conquer. If the media and their foreign investors can keep the u.s. citizens hating each other it is easy for the Mexicans, Chinese and Russians, all of whom have a heavy investment in cnn, fox, MSNBC, etc. To swoop in and gather up the remains of the usa for the lowest bidder. This was done very successfully by the Europeans to the Indians, the Romans to the garlic tribes, and is being done to the citizens of the USA today.
The greatest trick the devil ever played is to convince the world he does not exist. Wake up America. You are being played. The enemy is not the liberal or conservative next door, it is those who want you to believe that liberals or conservative citizens are subhuman. let's have a United States.
Yeah, why won't the media cover this completely-not-bullshit-I-promise story that even the fucking Gateway Pundit had to delete? Fucking troll.
This. It's highly covered everywhere else. Slashdot should put up a donation or memorial page and that's it. I don't want to discuss this with other nerds. No point.
I guess this guy was not a terrorist but some mentally unstable individual with issues. Call it like it is ppl.
once you make the jump to go on a killing rampage the only real allegiance you have is to violent authoritarianism
Where'd you get this idea? Someone like this could just as easily be an anarchist.
You are thinking of authoritarianism and anarchism in terms of political views (which at least for anarchism can be pretty nebulous depending on who you ask), but I am thinking of it more in terms of psychology:
"Authoritarian personality is a state of mind or attitude characterized by belief in absolute obedience or submission to one's own authority, as well as the administration of that belief through the oppression of one's subordinates. It usually applies to individuals who are known or viewed as having an authoritative, strict, or oppressive personality towards subordinates."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I would argue that murder is sort of an absolute means of forced submission to one's own authority. If not of mind, it certainly is of body. The murderer imposes their will and once it's happened the victim is powerless to overcome it (at least in so far as the mortal world is concerned).
Or a nihilist, who doesn't fall anywhere on the left-right political spectrum. This sort of thing doesn't have to be motivated by ideals or mental illness. Disillusionment is enough, in some cases.
I guess that's most of the point that you were making. And that's a fine point.
Ultimately it really comes to "might makes right".
The Cisco story was pointless, though:
Here's How Cisco Fixed A Backdoor
They released an update which turns it off by default.
There's literally nothing of substance and certainly nothing to discuss. Typical Cisco incompetence. Obvious fix for a backdoor. Everyone already knows you can't really trust them but you're fucked because you have to use somebody's products. There's simply nothing to discuss. It was also posted before much of the US was awake and bored at work.
Interesting, the preliminary profile doesn't appear to point towards the outcome.
I know of nothing to indicate he didn't do it, but this profile almost makes me think that this guy didn't do the shooting and somebody else managed to get away.
Was there any possible path out of the room that wasn't covered by the cops?
Is there conclusive evidence that he was actually doing the firing?
No doubt the investigation will leave no stone unturned.
Why doesn't the article mentions the race of the attacker? What is with all this political correctness. MAGA - we need extreme vetting for these people that commit all that mass killing in our country. I say we stop with being afraid of the cries of racsim and round all these people up and subject them to extreme vetting. There is a reason that people of certain races commit such violent acts.
There's another element. Rural people often have a great fear of the Federal Government turning heavily liberal and ruining their rural and/or religious way of life. They see guns as one of the few insurance policies protecting them from a run-away "Big Govt". The loss of life from mass shootings is not big enough to justify losing this "insurance policy" in their mind.
They do the math and conclude that sometimes "freedom is better than life". It is rational to THEM: the cost of the insurance policy (a lost % of life) is less than the perceived danger of the Big Gov't taking over. They are willing to sacrifice a few percent of the population to events like this to prevent 100% of everybody they know from being ruled by Big Gov't. Nobody can accurately calculate the odds of their "socialist doomsday" scenario, so their guess is as good as yours or mine.
It's similar to what you often see in the middle east: protecting their "way of life" is more important to many than (current) peace. They are willing to die to protect their way of life. NRA thinking is just a variation on this theme.
Table-ized A.I.
Is that you Ivan?
I wonder how many of the gun nuts that were on the receiving end of this white male, still think that that having guns like you can, is a good idea.
It would not surprise me if the shooter wanted to prove exactly this point. Sadly he clearly went about it completely the wrong way.
Even more sad is that many on the receiving end will probably want even more guns because they are that thick in the head.
Only in America... Another sad day.
"and in turn letting the corrupt politicians steamroll over everyone else at a whim"
Because guns have done such a good job preventing that.
Did you listen to the audio of the shootings Multiple bursts of full auto fire. These are illegal
Fully automatic weapons, up to and including machine guns are legal in Nevada. Some require registration, but just like the recently legislated checks, no law enforcement agency wants to be responsible (even the FBI passed) and no one is enforcing even the super permissive laws.
Please educate yourself before you post authoritatively.
No good deed goes unpunished...
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
The guns the guy used were illegal.
Gun laws won't stop crazies.
Psycho gun killers are Democrats or on antidepressants.
Guns stop zillions of other attacks.
99.9% of gun owners don't massacre anyone.
They still kill each other in DC (or gun free zone of your choice).
We need guns to protect ourselves against New Hitler
We've all heard them a million times before.
And you can't refute a single one.
Further, even if they were all objectively false, that wouldn't change a thing. The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. The government cannot legally infringe upon that right. I don't care how many people are killed, that right is fundamentally more important than whatever safety you imagine to be traded for it.
The talking heads want controversy.. if the people are too busy fighting with each other we'll never see how terrible our elected officials are. If Trump wants to drain the swamp, term limits are needed for Congress.
The Russians want controversy and division in the USA, too.
If Trump truly wants to drain the swamp, he can start with the most corrupt modern president, himself.
If you think he was asserting that the shooter was a Republican, then it sounds like you completely missed his point, bro.
Not really. In Soviet Russia, new guns were hard to buy in stores (always out of stock, just like everything else), but POSSESSION wasn't much more regulated than it is today in Britain or Germany. In rural areas, they were pretty common.
It's not like angry housewives were going to rise up & start shooting government officials because stores were sold out of potatoes & tampons. Or angry students who wanted to watch "Dallas" to find out who shot J.R. Or factory workers dissatisfied with their cafeteria's food. And if they WERE crazy enough to try, Soviet law-enforcement officers, the KGB, and the military would have defeated them in about 17 minutes.
Let it sink in: in the US, law enforcement officers feel entitled to shoot deaf people in the back for failing to comply with verbal orders. A mob of Americans with guns stand ZERO chance of prevailing over a SWAT team with a few grenade-carrying robots and/or drones & blanket orders to "neutralize them". They'd probably have BETTER odds against the military, because most soldiers still have consciences & feel bonds with Americans in general. To SWAT, everyone who's not SWAT (including firefighters, paramedics, and pesky journalists) is a potential threat requiring immediate neutralization.
Legal automatic firearms were manufactured before 1986 and cost over ten thousand dollars each because of the limited supply. You don't seem to understand the law any better than the guy who said they were illegal.
It would make our jobs much harder but likely kill the site.
Your Friends in Savushkina Street.
The first move of every single repressive regime in history has been to confiscate weapons from the people they aim to oppress.
Nope. First thing a repressive regime does is justify its repressions.
That's not conspiracy, it's history.
Nope, even aside from the mistake, it's just rhetoric.
Not even especially persuasive, you might as well argue that Hitler ate sugar. Really, you could point to ANYTHING and say some repellent group did it, used it, or embraced it, and that wouldn't mean as much as you might think.
This especially includes portraying history to set up their preferred narrative.
Therefore, you're guilty of their methods yourself.
Yes, that "whoosh" noise. I'm not the OP, but anyone can see he was being facetious.
I mean, we could argue back and forth by what the OP meant by "if I was there" for instance. Did he mean down at the music festival? Or did he mean in the hotel the shots were being fired from? Maybe he meant right in the room, standing idly by "Well Stephen, I'm not gonna be an oppressor, so you do you boo. But if you kill more than 6, and I'll be counting!, i'm gonna flip Rambo on you and take you out, aight bro? We cool?"
I mean, come on, people want to go over this like the ONLY people who could possibly have reacted to this incident were those at the music festival.... instead of maybe right next door hearing a ton of rapid firearms reports suddenly. I mean, at the very least someone should have called Concierge to complain about the noise! "Yes, YES! I KNOW RIGHT, I CAN'T HEAR YOU EITHER! WELL GET THE NIGHT MANAGER UP HERE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR I AM LEAVING A VERY SCATHING NEGATIVE REVIEW ON YELP!" "OF COURSE , SIR, OF COURSE! WE'RE SENDING UP A BELLHOP TO ASK THEM TURN IT DOWN NOW, SIR!"
I mean, really...
This guy had to be amazing with the gun. I mean 50 USians is a pretty good body count. You at least have to admire the guy for that. I know the media is going to survey the political or racial affiliations of the dead and declare that he is a either a hero or a villain based on whether or not he killed more liberal or conservatives. On the other hand what is wrong with those 50 people for allowing themselves to get shot in such a sad manner. One thing we need to to is to start teaching kids and apparently adults how to move and shoot. No one should just go around walking unarmed. At the very least they should be carrying a sword. You never know when you are going to walk into a gunfight. There is no such thing as an innocent victim. There are only people who failed to adequately prepare for their defense.
We need to have mandatory weapons and martial arts training for all children starting at the age of 11. Why the fuck are we worrying about trigonometry, when some kids, especially on the east coast have never even held a gun. To me it is the height of irresponsibility. I know our schools can do more. I know some of you are going to be complaining about the lead in the bullets and how it is hurting the environment, but first things first. Let's keep an eye on the big picture and first realize that out children are not prepared to defend themselves. When we have all out children adequately trained in small unit tactics can we start worrying about replacing the led in bullets with something more environmentally friendly.
Nothing see here folks... Just another case of "Hicks killing hicks"...
Well, huh. I have never heard that definition of authoritarian. Okay, fair enough.
For being supposedly so well educated you display an astounding amount of ignorance. All of those things are often stated. Which doesn't make them untrue. Gun laws are so strict in New York it's almost impossible to own a firearm. A state with close to the highest incidence of gun crime in the country dwarfed only by Chicago another shining example of the effectiveness of gun control. You could completely outlaw guns and you will still have this problem.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
SkyNet. What could possibly go wrong?
You mean the "everyone with whom i disagree or otherwise make me feel somewhat uncomfortable" side?
What I meant to imply is we drove out the middle ground and just kept the fringes.
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The US Government always has the option to vote/call for a referendum on repealing the 2nd amendment. Sure it might not pass, but there is always the option for it. The US Government acting alone cannot take away the right to bear arms, but the people of the United States can have the option to choose to do so if their leadership took it to the people in a vote.
It depends on your definition of 'legal'. If by 'legal' you mean weapons with the proper paperwork, so that no law enforcement agency will ever bother you, you can get a fully automatic AK47 for less than $3000, which includes the paperwork. AK74 are for some reason cheaper, don't ask me why. Yes, they will be manufactured before 1986, but I would not bet on how long they have actually been in the US.
As for what you can buy at gun shows, and be able to say with a straight face that you believed that the transaction was legal... How good are you at controlling your expressions?
I have personally seen weapons that I know 100% are violating multiple laws for sale, and not from a car trunk behind a 'private club'. At gun shows, I have seen people sell AR15s and the parts to make them fully automatic on the same stand, for a lot less than $10000 combined. Sure, the vendors were, *wink* *wink* unaffiliated.
When law enforcement ignores blatant violation to the spirit of the law, when you cannot tell whether a gun is legal or not without an arrest, and knowing that the gun cannot physically be legal is not probable cause, when no agency will bother enforcing existing laws...
So yes, I am 100% sure some of the weapons used in the shooting were illegal. I am also sure that yesterday, no law enforcement officer would have bothered with any of them. I am also sure that if the shooter had cared, he could have gone through the trouble of making the guns very hard to object to, legally.
Basically, the best way to hide a stick is to drop it on forest floor (the English idiom escapes me). Nevada has so many legal automatic weapons, and so many automatic weapons with defensible paperwork, and so many automatic weapons which are hard to challenge, that law enforcement does not bother with them unless there is a good reason. Well, ~60 dead is a good reason, so we will probably hear that the weapons involved were illegal. I also bet that the parts which went into them were purchased completely legally.
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By the way, I like guns, I own quite a few, and they are all 100% legal, even my old service CZ... But I went to a lot of trouble to do so, and if I had not been financially comfortable and single, I would have never bothered. If a guy wants to acquire a fully automatic rifle in California, it is a lot more work than it is in Nevada. Not that either is very difficult with someone with as much money as the shooter had, at least a few months ago.
No good deed goes unpunished...
Bad, bad, bad guns! Now let the bashing begin. Let us create a monument to the fucktards that shoot, blow up or run over innocent people. Because with out guns, cars, trucks and chemicals to make bombs with, there would not be any innocent people killed!
Now the real question: How do we modify / fix society so that stupid / fucktard people do not kill innocent people? I applaud and support the assholes that want to kill themselves, but ffs do it on your own and leave the innocent folks alone!
I was waiting for this article to show up. Gotta get that clickbait.
I hope we can find out motivations and such....and I definitely hope he burns in hell for his actions.
Ferret
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
One party wants to tax the poor to fund the rich and to impose the death penalty on women who have abortions, the other party openly celebrates terrorism and wants to round up and exterminate whoever does not follow their ever-changing party line directed from Doha and Beijing. Asking everyone to calm the fuck down gets you called a white supremacist and you will be fired from your job for "making your employer look bad."
Of course, a God believer has nonsensical beliefs that everyone should carry a gun but not use them because of God morals or some shit. I hope you are on a list and monitored. That's some crazy stupid shit.
Hayley Geftman-Gold, a legal executive at CBS, wrote on Facebook,
If they wouldn't do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that the Repugs will ever do the right thing. I'm actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are republican gun toters.
"not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are republican gun toters"? What kind of ethics are taught at law school these days?
I'm happy to say that CBS fired her.
The wedge goes at least as far back as the Powell Memorandum. The thing that changed everything was Watergate. It's just taken this long to realise it.
I'm not currently a gun owner or shooter.
Hi US people,
I noticed that you are a) trying to guess which party the gunman voted for and b) discussing the merits or either better or worse availability of guns as a solutions.
As per gunman's voting record, I would suggest to you that it is irrelevant: Your political side won't score any points nor get any additional votes, even if it turns out that the gunman voted for the other party.
As per the availability of gun: It is not viable solution. It has been studies and the gun laws do not correlate in any manner with the number of deaths in these types of events. So there, gun laws are not a working solution. Hence, I would recommend that you look in to something that might work: Having better availability of mental health services.
Finally, I have a sad observation to make. You are not interested in discussing the merits (or the lack there of) of mental health approach because it does not involve political divide. You have forsaken your country. Petty political point scoring reigns supreme.
Sincerely yours,
A guy from Finland
It's terrible what happened to the banana republic of north america today. I guess the answer, courtesy of the NRA, and helped by all brain-deprived muricans, will be moar guuuns! As the ahole in chief would say, sad.
What I'm saying is that if you live up to the tenets of your religion - and you can insert a great many religions as an example - you aren't supposed to kill, you aren't supposed to hate people. Christianity espouses love to all. We may not do it right all the time, but the ideals of many religions are designed to have a society that lives and behaves well toward one another as one of the primary goals. The fact that the nation has gotten so far away from God and respect for His creation is the problem. Guns won't solve it, but trying to solve the gun issue without solving the human issue is pointless. There are too many other ways to cause mayhem.
Perfectly explained.
And yet for all your blather my rights are greater than your feelz.
Ferret
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
It's not just an issue of a well person buying a gun and then developing mental health problems. The US gun lobby doesn't even want to restrict sales to those who already have mental health issues.
That depends on the mental health issue.
I don't know of anyone - even the most extreme gun-rights advocates - who has a problem with disarming a person who has been adjudicated by a court of appropriate jurisdiction to being a danger to others by reason of mental problems.
But many "mental health issues" are not associated with an increase in risk of attacks on others - and many are actually associated with a DEcrease.
For instance: Depressives are drastically LESS dangerous to the general population than the average person. Meanwhile, disarming anyone who has ever been treated for depression would disarm over half the adult women in the United States.
Psychiatrists are some of the strongest lobbyists AGAINST such laws. This is because they both make it less likely that people needing treatment for mental issues will seek it and open confidential patient records to perusal by government functionaries and law enforcement.
Another recent trend is treating anyone who is a crime victim - rape, assault, robbery, stalking, etc. - for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Whether they want such "treatment" or not. Guess who is most likely to NEED a gun for self-defense? Guess when they are likely to get off their tails and go buy one?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Imagine you had 3 choices in every election outside of the local level:
1) Vote for the candidate for party A whose policies you are mostly ok with (even if you don't really like them all)
2) Vote for the candidate for party B whose policies you are mostly not ok with (and some you think could be downright disastrous if enacted)
3) Vote for a different candidate, knowing that candidate is statistically guaranteed to not get enough votes to come close enough to make parties A or B even flinch. Or don't vote. The outcome is the same.
Now, for months or years after the election, be prepared to either deal with the following outcomes:
1) You voted for a major party candidate and they won. A vociferous portion of those who voted for the other candidate will now point out everything they feel your candidate is doing wrong, deserved or not.
2) You voted for a major party candidate and they lost. A vociferous portion of those who voted for the other candidate will now point out that that candidate's party's policies are all the correct thing to do because they won the election.
3) You did not vote for a major candidate or did not vote. Fight the existential ennui as those who did vote for the major party candidates try to shoehorn you into what side they think you *would* have been on.
Welcome to national politics in the United States. It won't change because the two parties have a vested interest in being the only two choices and acting as opposing sides on wedge issues.
Nah, Chuck Norris killed him before the police could get there.
Bad dog.
If you think only "the other guys" can be assholes, then you might be an asshole.
Yay, more dead Americans, guns are natures way of culling the herd of stupid.
Considering that for the past 20 years the democrats have jumped up and played the blame game, not matter what the crisis, I'm not shocked at all that we have a divided country.
Being from Australia, I can at least comment on the cultural impact of guns.
In the early 80's KMART were still selling rifles. There were heaps of guns around.... but, the primary use for our weapons was for taming wildlife, not seeing them as object of personal protection. In the USA I believe it is the reverse.
Australia was also becoming very urbanised and after the Port Arthur massacre, semi automatic weapons were banned. Now you can still buy guns, and every farmer has several, but:
- They must be kept in gun safes
- All guns are licensed
- Police do come and check your serial numbers against their records
- You have to be a member of a gun club or be on a rural property.
- You have to do a firearms safety course before being issued a license that must be annually renewed.
- There are strict background checks.
What I have noticed, is
- I never hear about kids accidentally shooting themselves anymore
- Rarely hear about gun suicides.
- Never see guns in public, except on Police
- No one here worries about getting shot, because generally when it rarely happens, its criminals shooting each other.
The USA will never change their gun culture in my lifetime: so massacres like this will just be the price of that culture.
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Good post Bruce/Sheila.
Maybe he just didn't like country music. Maybe he loved country music but didn't like what it has become. Maybe he was so deep in debt because of his gambling that he just snapped. We really don't have a clue yet.
Everybody is closer to becoming insane than they realize. All it takes is something or somebody flipping the switch. We're all capable of doing horrendous things.
There will be plenty of time later to throw political bombs. Save it until then.
what do you know? there's a FBI angle with this shooter too. nothing to see here. it was only his dad... 19 guns, full auto and tripods, rumors of other shooters, locked exit doors, i would think that if someone went to this extreme just to kill people that they would leave a manifesto/letter. if we never get a reason i find that suspicious, because then the motive may live elsewhere. like the baby killing feds for instance.
Well, I'd have thought that was obvious.
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Guns don't kill people, Americans do.
Except he wasn't, the usual alt-right douchebags are trying to politicise the shootings by falsely claiming the shooter was somehow democrat or left wing affiliated, all false, and merely shows what dregs those people are.
It's not that tricky. Read "More Guns, Less Crime," written by a competent statistician, John Lott.
And as you know, Norway is not very ethnically diverse. In the U.S., some ethnic groups commit crime at much higher rates than others. If the least-violent ethnic group was as prevalent in the U.S. as it is in Norway, the U.S. would have a world-class low crime rate.
I'm not sure what sort of solution this suggests, if any. Increased police presence in rural areas (to maintain the same number of cops per square mile and thus the same response time) is probably unfeasible.
Why seek a solution, given that gun violence is not a problem in rural areas? As a previous poster pointed out, the worst per-capita murder rates are in these urban areas:
10 Camden, NJ: 42/100,000
9 New Orleans, LA 42/100,000
8 Detroit, MI: 44/100,000
7 Flint, MI : 47/100,000
6 Petersburg, VA: 49/100,000
5 Baltimore, MD: 55/100,000
4 St. Louis, MO: 60/100,000
3 Gary, IN: 65/100,000
2 Chester, PA: 67/100,000
1 East St. Louis, IL: 71/100,000
The fact is, whenever the news of a "active shooter killing spree" comes out the very FIRST thought people have is "Oh, where in the US is it this time??".
Actually it's "what's the ethnicity, religion, and political affiliation of the shooter(s)?"
It's distasteful, but they want to know because it's a really important question.
If the shooter is an Arab Muslim you're going to see a push for more Muslim bans, racial profiling, deportations, not to mention a jump in hate crimes.
If the shooter is a Mexican illegal you're going to see the end of DACA and a bunch of people getting deported from the only country they've ever known.
As it is, the shooter is white, his political affiliation and even religion don't really matter. His tribe, white people, is strong enough that they're at no risk of discrimination in the US. Thankfully we'll be able to spend more time mourning the victims this time around.
I stole this Sig
Sorry, bullshit. Soviet Union did not allow possession of guns beyond even modern UK standards of gun control.
If he were a left wing nutjob you'll never hear anything about his motives in any MSM outlet. They'd bring it up once, in the middle of the night, and only then because there's a non-zero chance that Fox would report it.
Because guns have done such a good job preventing that.
I know that's sarcasm, but they have. As far as corrupt governments go measured over a historical scale, ours is relatively nice.
As another "outsider" I agree with your sentiments about American politics.
In my office, in Singapore, I am the only one who voted for the ruling party and the other 3 regulars in my office voted for the opposition party.
We joke about it occasionally, but otherwise, it doesnt really come up. Furthermore am willing to vote for the opposition if I think they have something better to offer. Am no party loyalist and I decide at each election who to vote for.
If we lost 99% of the population through the course of their lives to mass shooters it would still be better than taking everyone's guns and in turn letting the corrupt politicians steamroll over everyone else at a whim
What a hypocritical stance! you would be OK with mass murder on an unprecedented scale in order to preserve your pipe dream of guns protecting your precious freedom (or whatever is left), as long as you and your family are in the surviving 1%.
Yet we don't beat each other up but have passionate discussions over beer and dinner.
Wouldn't you rather have easier access to guns?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Yes, we American value our freedom to own firearms more than we value other people's lives. And I'm okay with that.
This comment makes me want to subscribe to Jesus' blog, and I'm not even religious. Bravo sir.
Just another day in Paradise
Your comment about the Democrats taking orders from Beijing is a perfect example of the duplicitous nature if shitbag conservative thinking that is spoiling the commons like a fresh pile of dogshit on the White House lawn.
Hard to throw a pipe bomb nearly a mile, but I suppose you could design them with model rocket engines. Good thing that leftwing nut jobs aren't quite that smart. The body count could have been limited if hotel security had responded quicker though- over 70 minutes of bullets raining out the window and people complaining of the sound of gun shots to the front desk, and nobody did anything?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
*Ahem*
Your left is showing
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
It can also come to "right and wrong are meaningless, other people are just my playthings to do with what I wish"
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
That is part of the reason why my prius is covered in right wing bumper stickers.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Used to be. Under the new regime, there is zero chance that Fox would do anything different from the rest of the MSM.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Maybe not typical left wing. But perhaps hedonist.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/a-theory-on-what-motivated-stephan-paddock-and-why-therell-be-more-of-him-in-the-future//
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/a-theory-on-what-motivated-stephan-paddock-and-why-therell-be-more-of-him-in-the-future//
Thus, exactly right- since nobody has any morals anymore, the toys have to be taken away from the babies.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Was the shooting an anti-political act, or as ISIS claims, an anti-American revenge act? It will take years before we know. My condolences go out to the victims. The NRA should be praying for forgiveness, along with the Congress people responsible for allowing AK47 and similar automatic repeat shooters to be sold. The USA is not facing a civil war. Why are killing machines allowed to be sold? It's OK to sell defense weapons, but not attack ones.
Tell me if I am wrong, but from now on, every building in USA would require by law that Glass Break Sensors are installed in every window... at least that is what I want to believe: https://buythetop10.com/top-10...
I get tired of a tragedy happening and getting a flood of stories and commentaries from talking heads far removed from what is actually happening.
Instead of the cited CNN link from the initial post; how about links to local to Las Vegas news sources that are not skewing the report to fit an ideological doctrine.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/
http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/former-fbi-profiler-brad-garrett-what-we-know-so-far-about-las-vegas-sniper
NRRPT/RCT
violent authoritarianism
that's not a political ideology that you can have an allegiance to
authoritarianism is an archetypical descriptor of ideology
violence is a tool used by all forms of life, and of course is used by every political ideology
You're trying invent some catch-all to "stabilize" your concept of the situation. Stop being so fucking crazy. If you really care about this you're going to have to disentangle the causes and effects instead of making a boogeyman.
It makes it too easy for people to start demonizing anyone that doesn't agree with them.
So let's ignore reality so we can make less effort in educating people?
God you're fucking crazy.
"Stuff That Matters"
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
"He was a hardcore liberal! Only leftie communists have caches of assault rifles!"
"No he clearly identified as Right-wing based on this numerous evidence. Besides why do you have to politicize everything?"
"He was a leftie! Trump and Alex Jones said so! Lalalalalalalala I can't hear you"
I'm not currently a gun owner or shooter.
And this makes you any less a devout worshiper of the Sainted Founding Fathers in what way?
Obviously the gun nuts are out in force, but let us ask "When is it time to talk about removing weapons of war from our streets"?
My answer is: Every single time someone dies in the name of the NRA profits!
This is exactly the kind of story that I hope to avoid by reading slashdot, news about nerdy stuff, computers, internet, video games. Unless they're planning to take away our video games because of this, or they're planning to make a video game about it, it doesn't belong here. There's other websites to talk about normal news.
Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
There's a large subset of Americans that only care about the 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms (own guns). They don't give a shit about the rest of our Bill of Rights as long as they keep their guns. On the other side, there are people that want open borders hell or high water.
These people are lost to reason. There can be no compromise.
But that's not necessarily an unreasonable position. With a two party system such as yours, and especially given the current political climate, it could be argued that it doesn't really matter which of the two you vote for. You'll end up in the same place anyway.
This is of course supported by the observations of the low voter turnout, liberal usage of terms such as "republicrats" etc.
These larger questions are also not necessarily in the hands of the politicians in any case; questions regarding the economy etc.
However the question of whether, and how, people should be allowed to own and shoot guns, is one of those few questions that is solely within the political domain. So if you feel that your vote doesn't matter in the larger scheme of things anyway, voting single issue becomes the rational choice. If you feel you'll be shafted anyway, you might as well use your vote for something you care about.
And then you of course also have to take into account that laws regarding weapons ownership is only a very small piece of the puzzle. We have traditionally had much stricter gun control laws in Sweden, and also a lot less violent crime than the US. However, that has recently changed significantly. When it comes to firearms violence we have to now go to southern Italy to find similar figures (and if we compare explosive/grenade violence, we have to go to Mexico).
Our firearm laws have not changed one iota during this period. The changes in violence are all due to social ills, with criminal gangs gaining a foothold (for lots of reasons) and illegal arms being smuggled here from south east Europe. (It's also the first time that firearms violence hasn't given rise to yet shriller cries for more strict licensing laws, as the AKMs and hand grenades that are used, obviously were never legally owned here in Sweden to begin with.) So restricting licensing further, would obviously not do anything to help the problem. Legally owned guns simply does not figure into this particular equation.
Stefan Axelsson
Term limits meant we had to pick between Hillary and Trump, rather than Obama and Trump. Care to reconsider the point? All term limits do is keep people that the people want in office out of office, so lobbyists have malleable newcomers to influence.
It was an ar with a holosight, super high capacity magazine, and a bump stock to enable high fire rates. There was a picture in the telegraph. All purchaseble legally in my state at least. The ATF has specifically stated bump stocks are not fully auto parts because you are still pulling the trigger multiple times. I doubt they will revisit that decision, that would be admitting error. And in any case a shoe string and a keychain can make many rifles fully auto so it would be difficult to enforce. Full auto isn't even particularly lethal. Unless there is a huge crowd and you have no particular target and a high vantage point...
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
You do not get legal, papered full auto AK47s out of the back of someone's truck in the gun show parking lot in the US for $3000.
Start at $30,000, and transfer paperwork that takes about a year.
Aww, you poor wittle butthurt snowflake, thank you for proving my point. The special little snowflake was diagnosed with the fake condition commonly known as autism, and he was losing everything so he went into apeshit meltdown mode, much like every other whiny demoncrat snowflake due to your collective hatred of America and its freedom. Socialism is not freedom except to moochers like you and the shooter. You can mod me down all you want but it doesn't make my words any less true while making you special snowflakes melt.
An unstable USA is in nobody's interest.
Sure does seem like it's in somebody's interest.
I've lived in the area since '82 as well. You might want to check your history on NOVA voting though. For example Fairfax county went Red for governor in '93, '97 and as recently as '09, and Senate in 2000. Six of the Nine Loudoun Co. board of supervisors are Republican, and two of their four state representatives. Prior to '08, Loudoun had a long history of straight Red presidential vote majorities, dating back to 1912 according to their wiki page.
Additionally, you might want to look at the Richmond and VA Beach areas, which have become much more blue.
Just another day in Paradise