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Ad-Hominem Logic Failure
Does he really have no clue about? I bet he has more clue than you
That's an ad-hominem (and not just the butthurt accusation of ad-hominem where someone is just angry they were insulted). 11000's expertise is not relevant to the question of whether Damore has any expertise. What matters is that actual experts on the topic disagree with him. Like this woman who teaches statistics at Harvard and actual neuroscientists.
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Re:I hope he sues...
It sounds like he may have picked the perfect time for it. Apparently the Trump administration is making reverse-discrimination a priority now.
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Re:Climate change deniers
Yet another example of why the climate change deniers are just irrelevent. Let them scream, argue, bitch and moan, lie about the " war on coal" like Mitch McConnell (R- retard) does, but in the end, they are nothing.
Things are changing and things as being done - regardless of the Republicans quest to turn this country and World into a hot backwards theocratic shithole.
The process of handing leadership to the world has accelerated, and the deniers are pleased that Science, something that they do not believe in at all, is properly ignored in the administration of their dear leader https://www.vox.com/energy-and... which is as it should be.
The Republican's have found the ultimate loophole. With a vote, or with an election, the entire set of the laws of physics can be nullified.
But to be serious, as American tunnels down this anti-science mineshaft, we are ceding leadership in science, soon engineering, and eventually economically, as we intentionally pave the way for the Chinese yuan to ascend to the world's standard currency.
These things are connected. You don't stay competitive in a global market by ignoring science and technology. You don't continue military superiority if you don't utilize science advances, and the technology that follows hand in hand. And if you have neither, as you slip and slide backwards, another country is all too happy to take your place.
We have taught the new generation of non-US scientists and engineers, and they are returning to their home countries to move into the future, while we hand our money over to a few folks and prepare to enjoy our slipping into second world status.
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Re:I hope they get more
https://www.vox.com/policy-and...
CNN also provided a statement to me in its defense: âoeCNN decided not to publish the name of the Reddit user out of concern for his safety...."
And the way you changed my example, in my opinion, that is still blackmail. "Him no longer seeing that girl" may be as valuable to you as some amount of money and you get that value by threatening somebody with an action, that, while legal on its own, would cause damage to him. For all I know, you want to see that girl yourself and the pictures are just a way to make your competition go away. So, in my opinion, demanding that he stop seeing the girl (or stopped posting pro-Trump messages) is the same as demanding money or services.
The way I see it, this is wrong whether the initial action is legal or not. If you saw somebody commit a crime, you have to report it to the authorities (or not, if you consider the law to be wrong), not blackmail him. If what you saw was legal, then it is none of your business and using evidence of it to extract money, services or anything of value to you and him (including stopping some action) is wrong. After all, otherwise where would the line be? Stop posting pro-Trump videos? Stop driving an inefficient car? Stop owning a gun?
I also wonder if CNN would have done the same, if the Reddit user had made an anti-Trump video or used Fox News logo instead of CNN logo.
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Re:No kidding...
But overall, there are too many idiots on both sides that refuse to listen to the other sides ideas
Do not attempt to make a false equivalence here. The only reason it might seem that way is because one side has a massive persecution complex fed by an outrage machine dedicated to hyping that noise for profit and the other 'side' (described as the reality-based community by Karl Rove) treat such as cases as just another minor news event.
NYC: Linda Sarsour Faces Death Threats Ahead of Her CUNY Commencement Speech | Democracy Now!
Princeton professor who criticized Trump cancels events, saying she's received death threats
Shakespeare in the Park featured a Trump-like Julius Caesar, and right-wing media freaked out - Vox
Greg Gianforte Pleads Guilty To Assaulting A Journalist : The Two-Way : NPR
GOP pressured NPR into firing a journalist who reported on their bigotry / LGBTQ Nation
Lawmakers across the US are finding ways to turn protesting into a crime - Vox
Tom Price commends police who arrested journalist asking questions
GOP rep goes after activist by writing letter to employer | TheHill
Sinclair Requires TV Stations to Air Segments That Tilt to the Right - The New York Times
Oklahoma Governor Signs Anti-Protest Law Imposing Huge Fines on “Conspirator” Organizations
FDA Denies Ordering Employees to Switch Television Monitors to Fox News Channel
FCC to investigate, 'take appropriate action' on Colbert’s Trump rant | TheHill
Jury Convicts Woman Who Laughed At Jeff Sessions During Senate Hearing | HuffPost
Fordham U. blocked formation of pro-Palestinian group: suit - NY Daily News -
Re:No kidding...
But overall, there are too many idiots on both sides that refuse to listen to the other sides ideas
Do not attempt to make a false equivalence here. The only reason it might seem that way is because one side has a massive persecution complex fed by an outrage machine dedicated to hyping that noise for profit and the other 'side' (described as the reality-based community by Karl Rove) treat such as cases as just another minor news event.
NYC: Linda Sarsour Faces Death Threats Ahead of Her CUNY Commencement Speech | Democracy Now!
Princeton professor who criticized Trump cancels events, saying she's received death threats
Shakespeare in the Park featured a Trump-like Julius Caesar, and right-wing media freaked out - Vox
Greg Gianforte Pleads Guilty To Assaulting A Journalist : The Two-Way : NPR
GOP pressured NPR into firing a journalist who reported on their bigotry / LGBTQ Nation
Lawmakers across the US are finding ways to turn protesting into a crime - Vox
Tom Price commends police who arrested journalist asking questions
GOP rep goes after activist by writing letter to employer | TheHill
Sinclair Requires TV Stations to Air Segments That Tilt to the Right - The New York Times
Oklahoma Governor Signs Anti-Protest Law Imposing Huge Fines on “Conspirator” Organizations
FDA Denies Ordering Employees to Switch Television Monitors to Fox News Channel
FCC to investigate, 'take appropriate action' on Colbert’s Trump rant | TheHill
Jury Convicts Woman Who Laughed At Jeff Sessions During Senate Hearing | HuffPost
Fordham U. blocked formation of pro-Palestinian group: suit - NY Daily News -
Re: What?!
Ask Trump. He seems to believe it would: https://www.vox.com/2017/5/11/...
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Re:But President Trump goes
Jesus, man, you're really raving off on many tangents there. The "elites" of the DNC did what that is worse than screwing over the climate or trying to ban a religion?
No one that I can see is saying "just trust us we know what we're doing" if one's attention span is longer than a 2 year old. HRC talked as long as anyone was willing to listen to her, but the news was too busy covering the latest insult to a a minority group from the asshole of Trump. Climate change scientists publish hundreds of online articles a year detailing everything, but all conservatives are looking for is out of context quotes. It's like when Pelosi pointed out the GOP was spewing so many lies about Obamacare that America would never understand it until after it was passed. Predictably, the right wing told people she meant it was secret. She was right. Ten seconds of reading on Obamacare at any time would have revealed to most GOP voters Obamacare would be good for them, but the uneducated GOP voters don't have that capacity until it's about to be taken away and their health care bills are about to skyrocket up.
What does Obama's lifestyle have to do with anything?
The color of their skin matters because they're attacking every other color of skin. They have no common sense which is why they voted for their own healthcare to be repealed.
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Re:Not an error. A lie.
Can't you people leave him alone for a single day? He finished up his orb business, then left the middle east to arrive at Israel, had a great time at the Holocaust museum and randomly decided to confess to outing an Israeli spy in front of Netanyahu - but all you people can do is make fun of his tiny, tiny hands.
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Re:I call those exceptions "rights"
To bad we don't have freedom after laughing. I'm facing jail time after laughing at Jeff Sessions.
She wasn't convicted for laughing. According to the foreperson of the jury, "She did not get convicted for laughing. It was her actions as she was being asked to leave". See
And if you look at the following video, you will see that when she was asked to leave, she yelled and screamed and brought the hearing to complete standstill for over 10 seconds.
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/818837991217123328
And oh, by the way, she's a repeat offender. According to the following article, she was charged with a similar offense in 2007.
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Re:I call those exceptions "rights"
Thats whats set the USA apart. Freedom of speech and freedom after speech.
To bad we don't have freedom after laughing. I'm facing jail time after laughing at Jeff Sessions.
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Re:Farenheight 451
In Europe, you can get arrested for making a tasteless joke.
In the U.S. you can get arrested, and convicted for laughing at a tasteless joke.
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Re:Glad to see a little sanity
It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Aliot) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rachline), both top-level leaders of the Front National.
Ah, the Amarosa and Ben Carson of the National Front!
Meanwhile, the most succesful pair of French nazi hunters are pretty convinced:
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Re:Haha
Colbert's "joke" was homophobic, because off the cuff the most disgusting, insulting thing Colbert could come up to be insulting as possible was to call Trump some form of being gay. Even far left Vox writers consider in Homophobic, so keep trying to spin it. https://www.vox.com/identities...
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Re:In other news
No solution to this problem of automation breaking the cycle of work, wages and consumption
...Except that "this problem" doesn't actually exist. Automation is slowing down as service jobs are proving much harder to automate than the manufacturing jobs that are mostly already gone.
The real problem in our economy is the opposite: poor productivity growth because of low levels of automation adoption.
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Re:The Cooker
Got any water left in that mud of yours?
President Trump's wild charge that Susan Rice committed a crime, explained
What we're seeing now, in short, is not a legitimate debate about the threat posed to civil liberties by improper unmasking.
We are seeing a toxic combination of Trump's penchant for wild speculation, a right-wing media echo chamber, and the legacy of the Benghazi controversy coming together to produce an absurd pile-on - one that seems to have brought the Republican Party together around their remaining hatred for Rice and the Obama administration.What the article fails to mention though, is that all this water-muddying is taking place at the same time as Trump's "foreign policy adviser" Carter Page admitted, publicly, that he was "unmasked" by the FBI - as being recruited by the Russian spies.
Russian Spies Tried to Recruit Carter Page Before He Advised TrumpTwo years before joining the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser, New York business consultant Carter Page was targeted for recruitment as an intelligence source by Russian spies promising favors for business opportunities in Russia, according to a sealed FBI complaint.
Page confirmed to ABC News that he is the individual identified as "Male-1" in a 2015 court document submitted in a case involving the Russian spies.
Unmasking people recruited by foreign spies is BAD, mkay? Just trust in Trump and look the other way.
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Re: You may not like this
Ahem, from the first line of the wiki article:
In the context of United States constitutional interpretation, originalism is a way to interpret the Constitution's meaning as stable from the time of enactment, and which can only be changed by the steps set out in Article Five of the Constitution.
Which negates your assertion that the philosophy of originalism is somehow against the amendment process.
I didn't make that assertion, my statement was rather different(and I will discuss it further later), and that's merely an intro to an article, which is a very shallow statement, and you have to more deeply examine the actual details of their arguments. Which would require you to read the entire page.
Or even the cited article for that very line: Originalism and the Fourteenth Amendment, Wake Forest Law Review, Vol. 33, p. 909, 1998
It discusses the patters and practices of the Originalists. Familiarize yourself with them. Really, you made a very poor attempt at rejoinder, I suggest you consider its faults.
I see that they do argue against how the 14th amendment is currently applied.
Yes, that Amendment is one of the biggest troubles for the Originalists, and why they prefer to ignore it as much as possible. They can't entirely, though, so they have to work around it.
Practices matter.
Of course, to be fair to them, it IS the one most prone to being called up for litigation, as it is a more general statement of principles than others.
What they really have a problem with, however, is the final clause. See if you can figure out why.
But to say they are against amendments in general is false.
Except what I said was that originalists were a group known for relying entirely on the Founding fathers(specifically for using as their moral compass, in case that wasn't clear) to the point of indifference to anything else. They don't, as a matter of habit, look at the 17th Amendment, or the 19th, for example. Or other statements, agreements and even binding treaties. And as a matter of practice, when presented with some issue, they stop discussions, and try to end it.
That's rather different from your representation of my words. Sorry if it was my failure to express myself properly than lead you to your misapprehension.
That said, I do find them rather deficient in their support for the Amendment Process. Such as they seek to advance, tend to be across narrow agendas, rather restrictive and less informative than I would choose.
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Re:Barbarians are winning
You have a point. But don't mistake how it appears for how it really is. Most media and commenters have a vested interest in making things seem worse than they are.
It's obviously not all sweetness and light. But the likes of the anti-vax dickheads will come full circle, sadly only after they hurt and kill a lot of people. Watch how many of them claim to never have been a part of it after the fallout. I know this because vaccines work, and no amount of FUD can ever change that.
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Re:But Dissent is Now HATE
Where is the right trying to "deplatform" left-wing speakers?
On News Corp platforms, Breitbart, twitter, 4chan, all sorts of places?
Just look for all the hand-wringing over "BLM" and "Anti-Trump" riots, against "Planned Parenthood", all the "Birther" claims, and you''ll find it.
Let's see, who is committing the violence [rollingstone.com] and trying to prevent the speech of others? That would be the left.
Also, case in point, here, by a user named Raenex. Who will never look at the right's actions.
But you, you want us to be upset over Milo's hiring a bunch of guys in masks to disrupt his own rallies and get attention. But Milo is out so you didn't even get your memo about that.
Which political party responds to critiques of Islam with cries of "Islamophobia" and "racist"? Which political party is against restrictions on Muslim immigration? Which political party has apologists for Sharia law leading [breitbart.com] women marches?
The left went from fighting political Christians to embracing Islam.
Which political party denounces Islam and creates lies about Sharia law? Which political party tries to convince us that Islam is a material threat? Which political party wants to ignore the terrorists among us?
Which political party lies about Planned Parenthood? Which political party has been found in court to engage in unlawful gerrymandering? Which political party is threatening judges who dared to reject Trump's unlawful ban? Which political party attacks how women dressed? Which political party claims to be pro-life, but resents paying for maternity care?
The right is the party that loves everything about radical Islamists, except the name they operate under.
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Just a studyMore often than not foods both protect against and cause cancer. Heart disease is more complicated than that. Health is more complicated than that, and the article even mentions it at the end:
Because alcohol carries a risk of liver disease, there are safer ways to lower risk, he says, such as quitting smoking, exercising regularly and eating a healthy diet.
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Re:bloviated shit gibbon
You have no clue as to how much his almost-every-weekend visit to FL costs us as taxpayers and to the local community in which Mar-a-Lago is located.
In one month, it's predicted that he spent $10 million for his trips to Mar-a-Lago. He's done that for the last 2 months now, so he's probably close to $18-$20 million already. Obama spent $97 million over 8 years.
Don't forget to tally the near $1 million price tag that Palm Beach County has already had to spend of their own money for the extra police staffing and overtime while Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.
https://www.bustle.com/p/how-m...
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...Lets also consider the taxpayers cost for Secret Service to shuttle the Trump family around on constant vacations, and Melania's insistence of staying in New York, which itself costs a substantial amount of money for security on a daily basis.
You can be upset at welfare families all you want but your Emperor is consuming vast amounts of tax payer money simply for playing golf, and will be surpassing what Obama spent in a matter of months.
But please... don't let these facts remove you from your precious bubble of ignorance.
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Re:Why is Holocaust Denial Such a Huge Deal?
Germany's immigrants aren't unemployable; they go to Germany for work [make-it-in-germany.com]. Otherwise, Germany wouldn't've been soliciting for them in the first place. How did you get "predominately male" without understanding the rest of that?
What? What do you think would happen if you were to take 1000 poor, single males from one part of the country and rehouse them in another poor area? We can make our imaginary test subjects the same race and religion, it does not change the social outcomes.
"the last bastions of tolerance"... for some perverse definition of the word.
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Re:People expect Trump to honor his promises?
You the know the IEEE presidents weren't fooled by his schtick, right?
They aren't talking to him, they are talking to the people and reminding them of his words so that the people will put pressure on him.
It probably won't work, at least not in the short term.
But the way to fight a guy like him is to ignore the outrageous performance art and hammer away at his policy failures.
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Re:Yeah
Sean Spicer: They may have been phony in the past, but it's very real now.
Haha, joking, not joking!
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Re:That's not a technical explanation
This would be the same woman that believed she was being hacked by the government because the delete key on her keyboard was stuck?
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Re:Ajit Pai?
There's a difference between being racist for racism's sake and being racist to make racists vote for you. And yes, plenty of his voters don't like Indians.
Also it's a straw man argument to say he wants to deport all immigrants. The right wing is largely okay with approved immigration. If you paid your fees, filled out your paperwork, waited in line, and won the lottery, they won't try to kick you out. If not, their just world fallacy makes them believe you're evil and should be jailed. You're too poor to afford the application fee but still want to do jobs legal citizens are unwilling to do? You must have believed in socialism or something. -
Re:ToSPer this insightful article, venture capital money is artificially subsidizing those rides to make them seem cheaper than public transportation.
So why do people keep using and working for Uber? Money has a lot to do with it. Uber has used venture capital money to offer lower fares that attract more customers. Those subsidies also help Uber attract drivers despite often erratic corporate policies and a lack of job security.
These subsidies create false perceptions about transportation costs such as the one you voiced. People think Uber is doing it right and the traditional taxi companies have been doing it wrong the whole time.
The national taxi business is only worth $11 billion a year. Why is Uber so highly valued? Why is so much venture capital funding injected into Uber?!? Those investors are expecting to own a monopoly position in the transportation service market. Obviously, the intent of such a monopoly would be to ruthlessly squeeze as much money as possible out of consumers. -
Re: The Million Regulators March on Washington
The way you THINK it should work usually
The way I KNOW it works, where I live. Fixed that for you. Comcast sends their promotions monthly, and FiOS is well aware of it...
Your anecdotal evidence may be different and I do not doubt your truthfulness. But absence of ISP-choice is in itself the government's fault — it is too easy for the local mayors and city councils to block an ISP. So easy, even the mighty Google gave up.
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Re:US Disinformation?
Correct, you don't just burn an asset* for no reason. You do it because it gains you an advantage, such as to protect a much bigger asset - such as the suggestions that this is meant to distract from scandals about pro-Russian influence in Trump's advisors. It becomes a cost-benefit analysis of whether they think what they get out of it is worth the questions it raises in the minds of future defectors/spies/etc.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/...
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/...
*Regardless of what we think of Snowden or his motives or his actions, this is how Putin/Russian intelligence will look at him. -
More likely to be killed by your own clothes...
... than by an immigrant terrorist http://www.vox.com/2016/9/13/1...
"Virtually all the deaths from immigrant attacks (98.6 percent) came from one event: 9/11. Other than that, fatal immigrant-linked terrorist attacks in the US were vanishingly rare -- and ones linked to refugees specifically rarer still. The average likelihood of an American being killed in a terrorist attack in which any kind of immigrant participated in any given year is one in 3.6 million -- even including the 9/11 deaths. That is a very, very, very low number. To put that in perspective, I've produced the following chart, which compares the average annual likelihood of American pedestrians being hit by a railway vehicle, dying due to their own clothes melting or lighting on fire, and being killed in a terrorist attack perpetrated by an immigrant. " -
Re:They don't get it.
Of course he is. That's why his businesses are busy seeking all the foreign worker visas they can get. And that's why the H-2A and H-2B visas his businesses use aren't on the list of visa types he wants to crack down on, either.
http://www.npr.org/2017/01/12/...
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Re:Do the right thing - stand against Trump's bigo
Well, you could just Google this (unless you'd rather have your own facts).
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/...
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...
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Re: Meaningless
AC wrote: You have the most clearly written and factual explanation to the matter. Yet Trump supporter will still say you're wrong. They just can't seem to see any of his flaws.
You are correct.
http://www.politico.com/magazi...
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The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether Youâ(TM)re a Trump SupporterAnd itâ(TM)s not gender, age, income, race or religion.
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Trumpâ(TM)s electoral strengthâ"and his staying powerâ"have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations
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A primary trait of authoritarians is that when their chosen leader says something, they want to believe it is true. So they do believe it is true. Even when it makes no sense.http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11...
Authoritarians prioritize social order and hierarchies, which bring a sense of control to a chaotic world. Challenges to that order â" diversity, influx of outsiders, breakdown of the old order â" are experienced as personally threatening because they risk upending the status quo order they equate with basic security.
Authoritarians prioritize social order and hierarchies, which bring a sense of control to a chaotic world. Challenges to that order â" diversity, influx of outsiders, breakdown of the old order â" are experienced as personally threatening because they risk upending the status quo order they equate with basic security.
There's more. it's worth reading.
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Re:CNN?
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...
http://www.usmagazine.com/cele...
http://www.inquisitr.com/36922...
http://www.inquisitr.com/36935...
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...Seriously... is this what passes for "news" in the rightwing world ? Stories that are literally IMPOSSIBLE to be true
I am not on the right, so perhaps you are just so far left you can't even see the truth. I am a slightly left leaning libertarian according to political surveys. Don't try to paint me as "the other side" just to attempt to discredit what I say, it is bigoted and childish, and completely false.
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Not even close.
For one... "Brave New World" supports birth control.
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Re:Totally normal. Everything is fine.
People are acting like the US government has the only facts in existence and a wiping of the public facing data held by that government by order of the head of that government is an attack on fact itself.
Trump has the only facts that matter. Listen and believe.
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Re:Whaaa! We don't want those jobs.
but we *do* need better wages.
Last year, wages hit their highest level ever (even after adjusting for inflation). Just sayin'
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Re:Deliberately missing the forest for the trees
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Re:What Clinton did
Lying under oath to Congress IS illegal, and she did it.
So did Trump's nominee for Secretary of State.
I won't bother going through the rest of your items, but almost every single one is either false or something that's been done by high profile member of the incoming administration.
If you want to throw Clinton in jail you're going to run into some serious issues of double standards.
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There are legitimate use-cases...
I've never been to a power-generating station, so my speculations are very general...
Given: you wish to use computers to better manage the power-generation and distribution. Computers run software — either your own, or, more likely, commercial.
Software requires perpetual maintenance — fixing bugs and improving. Most of today's software vendors — both external and internal to enterprises — publish updates online. Voila, your computers need access to the Internet to get it. It may not be direct access — you may be able to limit it only to certain subnets and protocols. But their need to such access is still legitimate.
Even if you lock it all down and update only via a CD or a flash-card, you are still vulnerable. A hostile state can seduce, bribe, or blackmail whoever is supposed to carry the media. Russian prostitutes are the best in the world claims Vladimir Putin — while a hitherto unfuckable geek is getting the "girlfriend experience" of his life, her KGB-colleague can examine and subtly alter the files.
You can not eliminate such risk — you can only mitigate it...
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Re:"will collide in 2022"
They collided, or didn't collide, 1,800 years ago ( http://www.vox.com/science-and... )
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Re: I got an idea
The truth lies somewhere between the extremes, as usual - anthropocentric global warming is real, and the "scientific consensus" is not unbiased.
A decade ago, I was a global warming skeptic. I felt that it hadn't been fully established that it was happening, and that even if it was, it wasn't proven to be anthropocentric. Five years ago, I held it was most certainly happening, but anthropocentric root causes were still up in the air. Today? I believe it's happening and> that human activity causes it. This change of heart was brought about by a decade of continual scientific improvement, refinement, and study. I demanded "more research," and I'll be damned if they didn't go out and do it.
Unfortunately, that doesn't end the political debate. To put it in policy debate terms, once we've established the "inherency" (proven what the status quo is) now we must explore 1. what the consequences are of letting this go forward unchecked and 2. what we should do about it. And this debate doesn't come without teeth - there's a tremendous amount of money at stake here. Hell, there are entire companies that do nothing but purchase carbon credits and re-trade them to other companies. To say nothing of how Global Warming is used to justify and defend lavish government grants for alternative energy research (much like Russians are used to justify and defend lavish government grants for weapons research, for that matter.) There is very, very much a financial and political angle to all these concerns. One must remember that us knuckle-dragging seal-clubbing conservatives have been listening to hyperventilating eco-activists predicting flooded cities and other doomsday scenarios for decades now. I remember the expression that crawled over my face when Al Gore's two hour powerpoint presentation paused long enough to share lurid stories of drowning polar bears, how sad. The fear-mongering and partisan interests are all wrapped up in a smug veneer of superiority - as Emmit Rensin, editor at Vox.com called it, a "condescending, defensive sneer toward any person or movement outside of its consensus, dressed up as a monopoly on reason." By matching the pattern of arrogant dismissal, it is dismissed out of hand in turn.
This dynamic extends to the scientists themselves - but it just means they're human, not wrong. The hockey stick graph, climategate, et al only shows that scientists are aware of how their data is interpreted by the media, and that they're concerned about their data being spun the "wrong" way. Five seconds of reading the daily news proves these concerns entirely legitimate. That's all that "climategate" was; internal e-mails between scientists bitching about how the media spins or distorts their findings, and discussion about how to prevent or counter it.
That's not how science is used in the Global Warming debate, however - it's invariably invoked as Holy Writ, the incontestable word of Truth, and all who fail to bend a knee before it are branded lunatics and Republicans, forever illogical and excommunicate. The inherent biases of science are not exactly old news, but there's a powerful incentive to gloss over those details when money and political capital are involved - and don't delude yourself into thinking they aren't! This naturally leads to an out-of-hand rejection from those of conservative bent, and the Science ends up thrown out with the bathwater.
This has to stop. Global warming is happening, we are causing it, and economically devastating policies to contain it will never gain much traction and thus will never work. The rational, sane adults on both sides of the aisle have to start ta
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Re:I hope those in power learned
they are neither idiots nor ill informed by and large
How would you describe this?
And no, it's not just one voter
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Re:This is what you get with low cost manufacturin
Except that you are full of crap.
That said, it’s not yet clear how far Trump (or Pruitt) can actually go here. Overhauling the EPA is a surprisingly difficult task that involves navigating a complex bureaucracy bound by powerful laws like the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush both came into office hoping to take apart key EPA environmental rules, yet were often stymied by the courts, by green groups skilled at litigation, by career officials, and by sheer inertia.
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Re:There is a legitimate dispute
They just announced plans today to undo nearly all climate regulation from the last decade, 73 climate regulations all told: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13967888/freedom-caucus-regulations
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Well yeah
we are getting kinda desperate. Trump's pick for Secretary of Treasury is literally a guy who preyed on elderly widows. His pick for Dept of Energy said the department should be closed. His pick for Education wants to end public education. These aren't exaggerations. These are things these people are on record as saying.
So far Trump's entire administration are either the worst dreks from the swamp or his incompetent buddies. Our Government, contrary to what you might believe, actually does thing for people. Good things. Like education, disaster relief, granting access to life saving health care. Barring a miracle in the electoral college we're about to hand the difficult task of governing over to people who either don't think it's possible or see it as an opportunity to enrich themselves at everyone's expense.
If you're not kinda desperate right now then you're just not paying attention. As the old saying goes, reality has a liberal bias. -
People choose their facts
Wasted effort.
I recently stumbled on this article from 2014 that really nails the source of our recent issues and explains why even if all of our news perfectly matched the facts we'd still have the same disagreements. Just get past your reactions to the title and read the contents.
Humans are poor reasoners. We can talk ourselves into any position, often looking at the same facts as those with an opposite position and especially when identifying with a group that holds positions.
The only way past the bias is education directed toward how to think as opposed to what are the facts. That will never happen because all sides of the system thrive on this human vulnerability.
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Re: heck of a choice
Something tells me a Hillary administration appointing just one GS alum to a minor undersecretary role would have elicited a tweet storm from the right.
Not just that. It would have elicited massive public condemnation from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. They were already in negotiations to make sure she staffed up with people in line with her progressive campaign promises.
Who among the republicans is holding Trump accountable to his campaign promises?
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Re:Am I in a goddamn cyberpunk novel?
It is abundantly clear that you don't know what fascism is. Maybe this will help.
Fascism is perhaps too strong a word to describe Trump's ideology. But authoritarianism sure does seem to fit.
Perhaps it's you that doesn't understand Fascisim. I suggest a well written and researched book instead of Wikipedia.
"Stronger together!" is classic Fascism. "I'm with her!" is classic cult of personality associated with Fascism.
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Re:Am I in a goddamn cyberpunk novel?
Between Trump and Clinton, Clinton is closer to fascism ideologically than Trump.
It is abundantly clear that you don't know what fascism is. Maybe this will help.
Fascism is perhaps too strong a word to describe Trump's ideology. But authoritarianism sure does seem to fit.