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ZeRo4 Wins; Quake: The Movie Released

okotauri writes: "ZeRo4 took home his second consecutive Quakecon championship today, beating the rest of the world's top Quake 3 players in the process, and cementing his reputation as the best Q3 dueller in the world today. more info: Quakecon scoreboard." And Escape from the Bastille was also released at the Con - better have high-speed access if you want to download it.

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  1. Re:DM3s by qslack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oops, I found them. The whole listing is here: ftp://161.184.117.156/. I think the championship match is ftp://161.184.117.156/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-ztn3tourne y1-fatal1ty-w1_1.dm_66.zip or ftp://161.184.117.156/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tour ney4-(ZeRo4)-g1v2_1.dm_66.zip.

  2. Re:Nice Network by swoopx · · Score: 1

    obviously the whole competition was on lan...

  3. Re:who would pay? by Sheeple+Police · · Score: 2

    Ok, granted, the DVD one is a bit of a strech, I agree. As for them being infrequent, thats why I think something on Showtime or HBO would work better. They're used to doing rare special events that are like, 2 hour specials. Even a once a year of the "top gaming matches," with a variety of games, since arguably even 2 hours of quake would get boring since a majority would be newbies goin at it. I think though that the interest could be Bubba Sixpack, because it has a mix of violence as well as adrenaline. I mean, look how many "High speed TV chases" shows there are. They have no plot, but they have adrenaline and carnage. Of course, if they enter mainstream entertainment, they'll probably be bastardized and have some sort of wacky punishment for the losers of the match, like eating live beetles or something that'll attract more viewers. But it's a thought.

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  4. Maybe this will become a real sport someday by El_Nofx · · Score: 1

    If we can have batton twirling, bowling, the trampoline, squash, surfing, roller skating and ballroom dancing at the 2004 summer olympics in Athens then why not have online gaming? I will be the first to propose this. The Olympic committee says that they have to drop other sports before they can add any new ones. Anyone else just hate womens golf? I mean cmon, is that even a real sport? According to the Olympic Charter, an event must be played in at least 75 countries and four continents, and must contain a competitive element to be considered a sport. Will anyone object if i dare say that online gaming meets that requirement? So who is with me, lets get quake and cs on the line up for 2008, by then of course if you asked kids what they thought of quake they would look as you and say "what's Quake?,

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    1. Re:Maybe this will become a real sport someday by daemonchild · · Score: 1


      ok ... just jumping in here to defend trampoline and squash. squash has as much right to be in the olympics as any other raquet sport, and trampoline is akin to gymnastics in a way.

      seriously ... a sport where it's normal to perform triple flips with three or more twists can't compare to bowling or ballroom dancing.

      i don't think quake will ever be in the olympics though. it has to be at least a remotely physical activity to qualify for that.

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  5. Re:DM3s by rks404 · · Score: 1

    Any mirrors out there of this? I can't get into this site.

  6. Re:Sporting event? by rlowe69 · · Score: 2

    I think that baseball and football are really boring (too much waiting, unlike hockey or motorsports) You don't have to wait in motorsports? You have wait for the race to end!! True the cars are going really really fast, but relative to each other they aren't - and they are just going around in circles! (a circuit) I can see your argument with baseball and football, but motorsports go right in there. Instead of waiting between plays listening to yacky sportscasters, you're waiting between crashes watching cars going around in a circle. Maybe I just don't "get it". Of course millions of people watch baseball, football AND motorsports. Go figure. Maybe one day millions of people will watch first-person shooters too.

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  7. woohoo by WildBeast · · Score: 1

    okay so some guy won the QuakeCon championship. I agree, it's not newsworthy but you don't have to flame the guy for that. You can try and be nice for once.

  8. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Scooter · · Score: 1

    hehe as long as you have a didgital connection to the server - I find CS lags over 300ms more than to a Q2 server on the same network.

    Still - you are absolutely right - Q3 requires a hefty investment in kit to play at any level above casual.

    Have you seen Serious Sam? I just got it, and have it installed on an old PIII at work with 64Mb ram, and an old VooDoo2 that I had lying about - and it rocks: check out the lens flares, reflections and bump mapping - on a VooDoo2 ffs! And it runs smoother than the ancient Q2 on the same hardware. If I turn on lens flares in Q3 on that card, it'd melt!

    CS - the maps look very dated - you can tell its the old Quake2/valve engine from "Quiet Life" and the game play levaes me cold. 10 Blokes hide for a bit and then die. No 2moves" are possible - its like your trousers are round your ankles when you walk in CS. But as you point out - if you cant run Q3, Q2 dissappeared out of most shops, and "Half Speed" is still available, then your gonna end up playing CS. I play lots of games, including Q3, SS, and UT (sometimes :) but I still come back to Q2 (I connect over a modem or would probably switch to Q3)

  9. Re:How about Linux users^ by treke · · Score: 2

    Actually, Mplayer has been working on adding support for other platforms. Check it out at http://mplayer.sourceforge.net

  10. Now he did it... by SaturnTim · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now the aliens who actually created the game will take him back to thier home planet to destroy all the evil types invading it...

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    1. Re:Now he did it... by Sheik+Yerboutii · · Score: 1

      HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! if i had ever even SEEN a karma point I'd mod this one up a million points

  11. Related Q3 movie by sheetsda · · Score: 2

    If anyone out there hasn't seen CTF: Comedy in Armor I highly recommend downloading it. It's the funniest Quake-based movie I've ever seen.

    1. Re:Related Q3 movie by DivineOb · · Score: 1

      In the name of fairness, I actually watched the whole movie before writing this. That movie is one of the stupidest, most idiotic "movies" of its type that I've seen. Yeah, I admit the camera work was actually well done, but I didn't come anywhere close to laughing at it once. Really a waste of time for anyone to dl it.

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  12. Re:Can't see the other player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You need the latest OSP mod : www.orangesmoothie.org

  13. Re:Um... by geoffeg · · Score: 1

    Well, I think that some people on /. are interested in this stuff, so they post it. If you aren't interested, just ignore it.

    It's not "News for Scoria, stuff (s)he thinks matters." :)

    Geoffeg

  14. Re:Televised matches? by Ridge2001 · · Score: 1
    possibly have military advisors looking for the strategy within the killing (because lets face it, if you don't have a strategy and just go around to frag, you're not going to make it to the upper echelons of the match)

    Yes, make it like any other televised sport, with a play-by-play man and a color commentator. Maybe this would be the perfect job to bring OJ Simpson out of retirement.

  15. Re:How about Linux users^ by reverius · · Score: 1

    MPlayer handles command-line systems just fine (no X needed) as long as you have a framebuffer graphics driver. This is easy to do if you have a modern distro and kernel, and a relatively common graphics card (you can even do it with VESA, but it'll be slow). MPlayer is also extremely good for DivX files, showing about 2x speed improvement over Windows-based players with the right fine-tuning. :)

    I submitted an article (or two) about DivX on Linux, and specifically MPlayer, over the past few weeks. They were both rejected.

  16. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Scooter · · Score: 1

    yeah Id agree with all of that, but still somehow Q3 "feels" better. I think it must be to do with the physics model, and the way your man moves. In Quake (2 and 3 ) you can jump and run, and do all kinds of tricks with the jumping and strafing etc to gain extra height/speed etc. UT man moves like he's wearing lead underpants, and the same goes for all those "Half Speed" based games like CS (or is that "Quiet Life" :P) Even Serious Sam, which is a hilarious laugh, plods along like his shoe laces are tied together. I also think they tried too hard in UT to make different weapons - all that green slime gun, blade gun, stuff...

    Agree with you about the maps though - not only are they all the same visually, you can't figure a purpose for them. The original Q2 maps (not the dm ones) had a deffinite purpose such as "the base" or "the comms centre" and the design reflected this. The later Q3 maps are all "generic random castle type thing". either that or those joke maps with no walls. Tedious stuff indeed. Mind you, its not thatits not possible to make good maps in Q3 - I have some very UT like maps for Q3 (moving trains, starships and so on)

    As for CS - 10 blokes with sniper rifles hiding behind boxes for 10 minutes - oh joy.

  17. Nooo! by fi-greenie · · Score: 1


    While ago, I saw this cute girl just standing
    around (alone) at one party. I wondered, if I
    should go and talk to her. I didn't hesitate,
    but before I was even able to move forward
    from my dancing, this large peace of meat
    in a form of bodybuilder (filled up with
    speed/crank) comes to the picture and just
    grabs the girl and goes away. That moment,
    I understood, that there's something wrong
    in this world.

    Right now, I have the same feeling.

    If you didn't understand why I was feeling the
    same way, here's the explanation. I consider
    myself as a hacker of some sort who loves
    computers. And then there are these idiots who
    fsck around with computers and treat them bad.
    That, of course, makes me sad.

    As demosceners say: "Stop playing quake and start coding!"

    Have a nice day!,

  18. The URL by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For anyone who couldn't figure out, it was breaking because of an extra "/", go here

  19. But he hasn't played Zock yet! by reverius · · Score: 1

    I bet that Zock the Quake God could beat him.

    Check out UserFriendly comic strips if you don't get the reference. :)

    1. Re:But he hasn't played Zock yet! by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      um, no. i don't think so. Zock didn't even use the mouse, and he was thrashed by the dust puppy.

  20. Re:who would pay? by Moonshadow · · Score: 2

    I think it'd be kinad fun to take the match, "edit" it so that you have all kinds of camera angles, and get voiceovers done "radio style" of the chat logs. Maybe an announcer voiceover, too.

    It's the virtual version of the implementation of the story behind UT.

  21. Re:I want to be a Quake Champion by Erik+Fish · · Score: 1

    I want to be an Olympic champion but I don't have time for that either.

    Hell, if only I had time I could be Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods!

  22. Re:heh, Thresh quit... by ShoeHead · · Score: 1

    Was Thresh actually a contendah back in his (I assume) gaming days?

  23. Mplayer by cide1 · · Score: 1

    Mplayer will play all of those formats.

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  24. Quake 3 DM is sport by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who has played Q3 (or any comparable game) knows that it isn't just "running around shooting people", but rather the game becomes incredibly finely tuned with extreme muscle control and mental reflexes needed to excel : Some of the best Quake 3 players are absolutely amazing when they're at the pinnacle of their game, and just as seeing a high jumper set a new record (pushing the human body further than ever before) is amazing, it's amazing seeing the reflexes/mind combination push these super-players.

    For anyone to brush off this as being just a "game" whereas throwing a pole or moving your legs is "sport" is silly. As long as all competitors are using equal hardware, etc., this is absolutely sport and it is enthralling to watch the best of the best playing.

    Sidenote -> The way, IMHO, that you can usually determine if something is truly a competitive sport or not is consistency: Do the same people generally come out near the top, with natural ascents up the ranks and down the ranks, or is it more of a hodge-podge random ordering at each event? In the former it is competitive sport, whereas in the latter it's just odds, yet it's amazing how many such "sports" exist as sanctioned.

  25. 100% offtopic by The+Abominous+Salad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be really funny if the user "codetalker" was black, or Navajo? Racism is an ugly, ugly thing, no matter what form it takes, AC. Propagating it with a defensive posture isn't any better than an offensive one. I think it would be really groovy and mature of you if you apologized for your uncalled-for outburst.

  26. Re:Um... WTF? by Jubedgy · · Score: 1

    How is CS (counter-strike) any more intellectual stimulating than quake, anyhow? Quake DeathMatch: Oh boy, I'm going to Run Around and Shoot People until I die, then respawn and Do It Again! Oh boy, I'm going to Run Around with a team and Shoot People not on my team (unless friendly fire is on, in which case I'll shoot everyone) until I die, then I'll wait around for 5 minutes twiddling my fingers, and Do It All Over Again once I respawn!!!! yeah....VEEERRRRY intellectual there! (this specifically to all of those CS loveing Quake bashers). Give it up guys, CS is just like quake except you die faster and it's more boring. --Jubedgy

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  27. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1, Troll

    I always liked Unreal Tournament better than Quake 3. I'll admit Q3 probably has a bit of an edge graphic engine-wise, but UT has better bot AI, much more sophisticated GUI, and WAY better level design in general. (How many brown-gold-greyish castle type levels are there in Q3 anyway??)

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  28. Help! by Viking+Coder · · Score: 2
    Someone want to give me the step-by-step as to how to view this damned file?

    fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tourney4-(fatal1ty)-g1v2_1 .dm_66.zip

    I installed osp-quake3-0.99v3.zip already, and I appear to be running that mod okay, but I can't figure out what the heck I have to do with the dm_66 file in order to view it!

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    1. Re:Help! by Viking+Coder · · Score: 2

      Thanks! That worked great - after I installed the latest point release...

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  29. Re:Can't see the other player by ywwg · · Score: 1

    I installed it and did ./quake3 +set fs_game osp, but I still don't see anyone. Any other hints, linux specific?

  30. Re:Can't see the other player by ville · · Score: 1

    I have had the same problem, ever since .dm_48 came out. None of my friends using Windows version of Quake3 has had the same problem.

    // ville

  31. Re:DM3s by WonderBread · · Score: 1

    Do I need to install any mods or maps to run the demos? I have the demo, but it doesn't run.

    Thanks

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  32. Re:How about Linux users^ by Rendus · · Score: 1

    With a.. You know.. Video player?

    XMMS handles DivX files just fine with the proper plugins.

  33. Re:DM3s by ywwg · · Score: 1

    if you have figured out how to watch the demos so that the other player is visible, please reply. Someone above said to install the osp mod, but I can't get that to work. it says there is no uii386.so, which I assume means it can't find the UI. I tried copying baseq3/uii386.so to the osp dir, but then it says it can't find cgamei386.so. It's supposed to use the qvm version.... aw fuck it, I'm going to bed.

  34. Re:Can't see the other player by ville · · Score: 1

    ops!

    it should be

    /demo demo_name_sans_dm_86

    // ville

  35. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by kinnunen · · Score: 1
    The stats for Quake3 have never really been that good, especially when compared to CS. It's not dying however, the numbers are not dropping at a significant rate. Quake3 has very loyal following.

    IMHO, the lack of megapopularity has been a real blessing to Q3: while the community may be small compared to Counter Strike, it is of better quality. Go to any CS-related forum and you'll find cheating to be #1 topic. Cheating in seems to be common, with accusations of cheating reaching ridiculous numbers. I personally don't play CS but I do like to watch other people play, and things can sometimes get very ugly. Q3-players on the other hand are mostly skillfull (newbies tend to go with the most popular game) and very well behaved (no cheating - heck, not even name calling). And of course, smaller the community is, the stronger it is - people actually have a chance to get to know eachothers.

    Not to badmouth Counter Strike players, I know many of them are very cool people, but there are more than just a couple of bad apples. And yes, I used to play Q3 a lot, actually so much that I got carpal tunnel, so I'm probably biased.

  36. I want to be a Quake Champion by XBL · · Score: 1
    but I sure in the hell don't have time. Maybe it is because I have a normal life, and do productive things.

    Then, all I have to think about is my uncles, and their obsession with golf. They think they are normal, but they are almost as bad at the people in the Quake tourney.

    1. Re:I want to be a Quake Champion by snadsnad · · Score: 1

      A lot of it is "natural" skill, however natural 3d gaming may be. I play FPS games for hours on end and haven't improved.

  37. Re:DM3s -- different link to Zero4 vs. Fatal1ty by veddermatic · · Score: 2, Informative
    http://216.162.116.22/demos/qcon/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4 -pro-q3tourney4-(ZeRo4)-g1v2_1.dm_66.zip

    Zero4 is very, very impressive in these damos... When one of the best players in the world is "on" it is a beautiful thing to watch =)

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  38. heh, Thresh quit... by bbk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thresh, the guy who started Firingsquad (actually, it used to be Thresh's Firingsquad), quit about a year ago... IIRC he just wanted a change of pace, and wanted out of the hardware review business.

    BBK

    1. Re:heh, Thresh quit... by Mr.+Quick · · Score: 1

      he won a FERRARI from carmack....

    2. Re:heh, Thresh quit... by inkey+string · · Score: 1

      thresh won a fucking car off carmack iirc. so yeah, hes was a contendah :)

  39. Oh yeah? by D.+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh yeah? He thinks he's so good? Well, I got the highscore in Ms. Pacman (a true crusader for womens' rights!) at the local arcade about 15 years ago!

    So there, Mr. Big-Shot Quake 3 player!

  40. Re:How about Linux users^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    i downloaded a video player...but i dont understand how its gonna work with just a command line...what is this fancy "x" stuff i hear about all the time?

  41. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Wow check out all the 3l33t n4M3z on the scoreboard, Quake players are just soooo cool!

    What a bunch of winners!

    Really!

  42. Re:Sporting event? by garcia · · Score: 2

    there are *gasp* other sports out there that don't generally include getting wasted w/your buddies (although at alumni events they sometimes do ;-))

    Individuals that train in a team setting (playing on local servers) but compete on an individual basis in tournaments (like Quakecon).

    Yeah, typically in these sort of events (*gasp again*) you don't typically root for a team, you root for your favorites...

    Most sports seem to be heading this way as it is (long ball hitters w/shit teams, kick ass players that carry the whole team)

    Just my worthless .02

  43. Escape from the Bastille needed a spellcheck by SupremeOverlord · · Score: 1
    For anyone wondering if it's worth it to download the whole 180 meg avi off of fileplanet... better be sure you have nothing better to do with your bandwidth for a while.

    The only good part about the movie was that the animation was good... the plot was bad, the voice acting was mediocre at best, and the script just sucked. Improper use of contractions abound (you're vs your), a lame introduction about the french bastille that has zero to do with the plot, a fight scene that totally rips off the martix... ugh. My computer saved me and crashed out a bit over 8 minutes into the 12-minute movie.

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  44. Another Quake "Movie": Scourge Done Slick by ewhac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's a group of Quake speed runners who created a set of recorded movies called Quake Done Quick. They blaze through the entire game at Nightmare difficulty in less than 17 minutes. They also produced Quake Done 100% Quick, where they kill every monster and find every secret.

    This same group of people then did a speed run through Ritual's Quake add-on pack, Scourge of Armagon. But unlike its predecessor, they added actual production values, including fully scripted and vocalized sequences at the beginning and end. The player also makes wisecracks throughout the movie; the actor voicing him is especially good. The result is called Scourge Done Slick, and it's a very nice piece of work.

    You need to own a copy of the Scourge of Armagon add-on pack to view the movie.

    Schwab

  45. Re:Sporting event? by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

    As Sam Kinison used to say, "I love it when boxers thank God for the victory. What is the loser supposed to say? 'I was doing well in there UNTIL JESUS MADE ME LOSE!'?"

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  46. Re:Sporting event? by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

    > If I was the head of a country that lost a war,
    > and I had to sign a peace treaty, just as I was
    > signing, I'd glance over the treaty and then
    > suddenly act surprised. "Wait a minute! I thought
    > we won!"

    That'd be really funny to the families of the millions in your country who died, especially if you were the one who started the war in the first place.

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  47. Well, he makes more than I do by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 1

    30 grand, not bad for a weekend. Maybe I should look into a different career. How much did second place get again? :-)

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  48. Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Voltaire99 · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    http://www.gamespy.com/stats/

    If people aren't very excited by this tournament, it's largely because Quake 3's day is done.

    Online its popularity is dwarfed by Counter Strike, which, for better or worse, has replaced Quake as the game of choice of the vast majority of online players. (A fact not lost on developers, who are falling over themselves to bring out CS-like games.)

    Of course, no one knows how many people are even playing Q3, thanks to the servers failing to distinguish between bots and humans. In fact, looking at the numbers, it's entirely possible that there are more humans playing Quake 2. Q3 tournaments are in sharp decline, too; Quakecon was an exception, with Q3 even having been dropped (in lieu of CS) in the most widely followed "pro gaming" tourneys.

    Q3 never really managed to make the impact that its predecessors did. The leading theory, which you can find on almost any gaming message board: id makes good engines, but has become progressively worse at making a fun game. There's something to that, but there's also Q3 itself to blame -- an arcade-y version of deathmatch without the depth of the original.

    1. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Evangelion · · Score: 1


      The one and only reason that counterstrike is more popular than Q3 is that it runs on lower-end hardware.

      Hell, the Half-Life engine still has a functional and efficent software renderer, which Q3 doesn't.

      I can run CS comfortably and effectively on a K6-200. I need at *least* twice that to run Q3, not to mention the fact that I need at least a TNT2 to run Q3 effectively.

      If you don't think that that's a factor, you're very sorely mistaken.

      CS is a mediocre game, but for alot of people who have never played Quake before, it's a godsend.

    2. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Evangelion · · Score: 1


      WTF, this was supposed to be a reply to the parent of your comment.

      Stupid /.

    3. Re:Stats show Quake 3 is dying by Evangelion · · Score: 1

      Quake2/valve

      For the last time, Valve uses a (very) heavily modified Quake 1 engine, not the Quake 2 engine.

      People only think that because it came out after Quake 2.

  49. Oh, so... by skotte · · Score: 1, Troll
    actually, all your base are belong to ZeRo4.

    Yeah! who set up us the bomb!? that's right! ZeRo4, baby!!!

  50. Re:Sporting event? by codetalker · · Score: 1

    The only motorsport I watch is world superbike racing. There are at least a couple passes each lap, maybe a crash or two each race and they are oly half an hour long a real strategy is involved. I could not agree more if we were talking about nascar or dragracing. oooh they go around the oval 250 times! I'm talking about road races, rallies the sports where impressive driving takes the cake.

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  51. Re:Who gives a fuck? by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    How do you know that's not his day job already?

    ~Philly

  52. DM3s by qslack · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if there are Q3 demo files (.dm3) of the championship match? If so, post them here please!

    1. Re:DM3s by qslack · · Score: 1

      Install ztndm3 and put the demos in baseq3/demos.

  53. Magic the Gathering was on TV by awilber · · Score: 1

    I swear I saw a Magic the Gathering card game tournament being played on ESPN2 a few months back, so it's not so far out of the realm of possibility. It would be a whole hell of a lot more entertaining than that was.

    Don't expect to see those guys in the next Mountain Dew commercial or anything, but...

    1. Re:Magic the Gathering was on TV by motardo · · Score: 1

      They've actually been televising m:tg tourneys for the past couple years IIRC

      -motardo

    2. Re:Magic the Gathering was on TV by On+Lawn · · Score: 1

      I saw it, it was great!

      It was true action packed commentary through the whole thing..

      "Oh, look at the faces of his team-mates. They don't like what they are seeing. What do you think Jim, why is he using this strategy?"

      "Wait, if he could just get a *** card, then his opponent will be open for the attack"

      "There it is! He could not have drawn a better card! The game is over, his teamates are extatic! [geeks hopping around hugging each other]"

      It was solid entertainment. Too bad one couldn't tell the difference between these expert teams and all the other games I've seen.

  54. Re:Um... by DouglasA · · Score: 1

    You can do better than ignoring it, just filter all "Quake" stories via the user settings. I'm a much happier reader now that I've started filtering Jon Katz, Privacy articles, etc. If only there was a filter for snarky editorial comments by /. editors...

    BTW, has anyone else noticed that whenever the login system breaks, the most recent article is usually a Katz piece? Conspiracy?!?

  55. Re:Sporting event? by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

    > you're waiting between crashes watching cars

    That's why God made the Max X TV show, so you don't have to sit thru all the boring rest of the race.

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  56. Televised matches? by Sheeple+Police · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one who would like to see some of the gaming tourney's televised? I know one of the biggest lures for attending the actual events happens to be the socializing and all around geek fest sorta stuff, but in this day and age where MTV is the "Shiny Things Network" and "Fear Factor" scores high amounts of viewers, wouldn't something like televising the games be something that could succeed? I can see the downside being that it brings attention to the "violence" in the games without being able to fully convey the sense of kinsmenship those games bring, but I'm sure airing it on something like Showtime or HBO with appropriate "TV ratings" would do well. Have something like celebrity commentaries by Carmack or Thresh (He was the original Q1 God, correct?), possibly have military advisors looking for the strategy within the killing (because lets face it, if you don't have a strategy and just go around to frag, you're not going to make it to the upper echelons of the match)

    Or even potentially a DVD version. Like take advantage of the multiple angle views and use various 'cameras' posisitioned in the demo files and what not. Maybe a DVD can contain the final 3 matches, or the highlights of the top 10.

    Does anyone else think this would be nice?

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  57. who would pay? by codetalker · · Score: 1

    I don't think anybody would pay to have these games recorded on DVD. Releasing the demos is good enough and if people edited in extra cammera angles it'd be great. These events are too infrequent to be a regular thing on television. It'd be a special rather than an ongoing affair. Besides the only people interested in it right now are the ones that follow the online converage or go to quakecon itselft. That kinda defeats the purpose of putting it on tv.

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  58. Re:Hardware by Uller-RM · · Score: 1

    ZeRo4 uses a M$FT ball mouse (which is pretty unusual, most gamers are using either a Logitech Wingman Gamer, an optical, or a Boomslang a la Fatality), the keyboard doesn't really matter. The monitor, machine, etc are provided by the tournament to ensure everyone has the same equipment.

  59. Nice Network by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 1

    Highest ping I saw in the stats was 7. Most looked to be around 4. It would be nice if I could get something like that on dial-up. I guess the HPB got weeded out early. :)

    Anybody get a pic of this guy? I want to see how pale he is. Probably eats through a Jolt IV in his neck.

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  60. Sporting event? by codetalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't seriously see this kind of thing as the newest type of sporting event. I think that baseball and football are really boring (too much waiting, unlike hockey or motorsports), but I'd still go to a game with my buddies simply to socialize and cheer on my city. This kind of event is so out of touch and inacessable in the 'real world'. There are one or two annual tournaments that are always held far away. Maybe I'm just a little conservative, but I think that the geographical and club style is good for sports. Something for a local to be proud of and it gets the spectator more involved, "That's MY team that just won!" etc. These tourneys are fun, but it's just a really good bunch of players battling it out amongst themselves. When I watch the olympics, I cheer for team Canada, when I watch quake matches I can't really make a decision who I'd root for, only that one person's skill is madder than the others. Anyway, just a thought.

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    1. Re:Sporting event? by Dot+Com+Drew · · Score: 1

      "Most sports seem to be heading this way as it is (long ball hitters w/shit teams, kick ass players that carry the whole team)" I guess you haven't heard of the Seattle Mariners. They are only the best team in baseball right now and not by a little bit. If you haven't had a chance to watch them play they rarely win by the long ball. Lots of singles, advancing the runner and stuff like that. The team is just solid as a whole, not fully based on the strength of one or two players. Sorry I just get a little excited about the M's.

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  61. He may have won, but.. by abischof · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, so he may have won... but does he have his own hardware review site? Kidding aside, it is quite an achievement.

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  62. Re:Um... WTF? by Scoria · · Score: 1

    No. Truth be told these games are all based on id games, in whole or in part.

    That's doubtful, considering it's a space fighting/strategy game. Now you'll tell me that "Quake was one of the first FPSes, so that means, obviously, that Microsoft Research copied Quake. Right.

    Even though Q3 isn't at its peak, it doesn't mean that people who still enjoy the game are fair targets to get crapped on just because the game isn't as "intellectually stimulating" as Counter-Strike. Give me a freakin' BREAK, it's A FPS!! It's a GAME. It's supposed to be FUN.

    Yeah. And I don't understand why I get modded down on Slashdot because I prefer other games. Slashdot seems full of id fanboys (no offense).

    We like Quake 3. We admire id. We like the fact that this tourney was worth 30 grand. We went DON'T like is your having to see errogance and ignorance being shamelessly displayed.

    I think Q3 is a decent game, but I don't 'admire' and 'worship' id. You didn't happen to mean arrogance, by chance, did you?

    There's one more thing that I've noticed about the Slashdot community. At one point, 'geeks' (or nerds, whatever you wish to call them) were social outcasts for holding different opinions and lifestyles than other people; they didn't subscribe to group think. It's quite interesting that they mod down people with different opinions or different lifestyles than them; they attempt to censor, as best they can, those who don't subscribe to group think.

    I'm electing not to use my +1 bonus because I feel that this will be modded down. -1, insightful.

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  63. Re:quake movie by dangermouse · · Score: 2

    Idunno, maybe it's just me, but those all sound like perfectly good reasons to see a movie. ;)

  64. Re:If you ask me, they're cheaters by ergo98 · · Score: 1

    I do have a problem with people changing textures or lighting levels and that does go against the idea of all players playing on equal hardware, though in this case all players had the option of equal modifications.

    "It simply is not complex enough to warrant being a sport." ? How do you think you would do if you played these guys? Seriously? Q3A is easily as complex as running the 100 or jumping over hurdles, and as I mentioned it is not a game of luck (though like in all things chance can affect things, just as chance affects the wind in the throw of the javelin): The results are not random but are rather a ranking of those with the best reflexes and best strategy (or rather best combination thereof). If that isn't sport then I would like to know what is.

    Of course if you're talking about team sports there are team variations as well: Play CTF and you'll quickly see that there are those that play as single individuals, but they quickly get beaten into oblivion by a team that plays as a team (just like in any team sport).

  65. How to view the demos by Viking+Coder · · Score: 3, Informative
    First, you need to have Q3 on your machine. Then, install

    http://www.orangesmoothie.org/downloads/beta/osp-q uake3-0.99v3.zip

    by unzipping it in your Q3 directory, with file paths preserved. Then, install

    ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/win32/q3po intrelease_129h_beta.exe

    by running the executable and telling it where your Q3 directory is. Then, if you want to view the demos really easily, install

    http://www.geekboys.org/geekplay-29/index.pl?downl oad=http://www.geekboys.org/geekplay-29/download/g eekplay-29-1.0b1.zip

    by running the installer from any directory and telling it where your Q3 directory is.

    Then, all you have to do is download the "demo" files from

    http://stats1.zone.com/tournaments/QuakeCon-2001/s coreboard_0_0.html

    By clicking on the "stats:1" link, and then scroll down, and download one of the demo files, like the file

    http://stats1.zone.com/tournaments/QuakeCon-2001/d emos/fatal1ty-vs-ZeRo4-pro-q3tourney4-(ZeRo4)-g1v2 _1.dm_66.zip

    for instance. Be sure to note that there are two files for every match - one from each person's point of view. Getting the file from the winner is more fun! Then, all you have to do is unzip the dm_66 file, and then double-click the dm_66 file in order to view it.

    Note that these instructions worked for me, and are not necessarily going to work for you! All of this of course on a Win box.

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  66. Records aside, I'd say the by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    Oakland A's are playing the BEST baseball right now, But I guess we'll not know until the playoffs :) But you are right, TEAM BALL with
    no mistakes is taking the Seattle a LONG ways.
    Griffey leaving turns out to be a GOOD THING for your team :) Who'd a thunk it...

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  67. Ask Bravo by horza · · Score: 1

    The Bravo channel do a series called "Mercenaries" here in the UK (Sat 8.30pm) which pit teams playing war games against each other. I allowed myself to be dragged into one episode so that I could kick CounterStrike butt on telly. They play a lot of new games that are coming out, as well as the established favourites, which is how I presume they make some money out of it. It would be nice to see a CS World Championship on TV where the top clans play each other, with slots where the top players give hints on what give them the edge.

    Phillip.

  68. Why not just log in ...(Re:Televised matches?) by Sheik+Yerboutii · · Score: 1

    Multiple camera angles? why not just open it in a modified quake 3 client? every individual viewer could decide to watch it in any mode of their choice "Follow the leader" "Follow my favorite" "Follow the Action" "Director/Editor's Choice" "Free Floating/User controlled camera" I mean if it's just a recording of a game in some sort of proprietary quake recording format all objects and their positions will be recorded for the whole match ideally, it would be just like logging into a server and floating around in DEMO mode I love the idea of having color commentary especially from the likes of real-military experts ... "this is Colon Powell at the CPL world championships i'm standing here with K-R4d 337it3 DeAtH Killah![MfG][iCE][SkULLz] known to his friends as Timmy Wilson... " watching "editor's choice" with a pitcher of beer a bowl full of suicide hot chicken wings, a big screen and a sports-bar full of buddies and jovial strangers? that'd be the best

    1. Re:Why not just log in ...(Re:Televised matches?) by Sheik+Yerboutii · · Score: 1

      Multiple camera angles?

      why not just open it in a modified quake 3 client?

      every individual viewer could decide to watch it in any mode of their choice

      "Follow the leader"
      "Follow my favorite"
      "Follow the Action"
      "Director/Editor's Choice"
      "Free Floating/User controlled camera"

      I mean if it's just a recording of a game in some sort of proprietary quake recording format

      all objects and their positions will be recorded for the whole match

      ideally, it would be just like logging into a server and floating around in DEMO mode

      I love the idea of having color commentary especially from the likes of real-military experts ...

      "this is Colon Powell at the CPL world championships i'm standing here with K-R4d 337it3 DeAtH Killah![MfG][iCE][SkULLz] known to his friends as Timmy Wilson... "

      watching "editor's choice" with a pitcher of beer a bowl full of suicide hot chicken wings, a big screen and a sports-bar full of buddies and jovial strangers?

  69. Re:How about Linux users^ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://freshmeat.net/projects/apron/

    apron is an ASCII MPEG video player based on aalib and libmpeg3

    theres that damn freshmeat.net site again!

  70. Good commentary on the state of Q3 Competition by [amorphis] · · Score: 1

    As the subject says, a good commentary on the current state of Q3 competition by a site that is focused on competetive 3D gaming, ShackES

    here's a snip:

    That was a fun time, but now there is no next time. There's online leagues, and maybe another online tourney from Cache, but really, what's out there for a Quake 3 player? We like the game, and we'll keep playing the game, but what is there to look forward too. Where's the reason to practice hard?

    1. Re:Good commentary on the state of Q3 Competition by Grahf666 · · Score: 1

      I find the commentary you linked to a bit sad. Does this guy have to be on the cutting edge to have any fun at all? I mean, crap, I get way more kicks out of good ol' Quake 1 than this shiny new Quake 3 thing, and that's 5 years old this month. I don't feel much pity for the guy either.

  71. Sigh, if only... by DreamSynthesis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gosh darn it, just the other day I got around to starting to serve Q3 Arena games from one of my Linux boxes... and promptly got my ass whipped most takers :).

    But wait! There's hope yet for my lamer, non-31337, self-cratering keister. I've come up with a simple plan to elevate myself to a similar level of Q3 God-ness:

    • 1. Ditch my company - Hey, it's fun making cash and all that, but I'll have to start somewhere, eh?

    • 2. Lose the girlfriend - Heck, what's she really good for anyhow? And just think of all the extra time I'll have (oops, that'll be sucked up by gaming).

    • 3. Forsake showers - In cyberspace, no one can smell your stench.

    • 4. Become a Quaker - Ughh... never mind, that's something different I suppose...
    Yesiree Bob, I figure if I can just buckle down and stick to my rocket launchers on this one, I'll acheive Quake greatness in a couple of years at the most!

    Or not.

  72. Re:You are wrong by fi-greenie · · Score: 1

    True (at least part of it)!

    I don't think I want so much respect from these
    people you named slashdorks. I want them to give
    themselves a bit of respect by coding or doing
    something creative besides playing Quake and
    jerking-off to Jenna Jameson (or porn in general).

    Respect (to you)!

  73. Another great movie... by zen_jurrit · · Score: 2, Informative
    Maybe more interesting too the European Folks here... clanbase recently released their EuroCup 3 movie.. http://www.clanbase.com/miscdl.php?did=357
    The Best Q3 (and even some CS) stuff I've ever seen..
    ClanBase is proud to announce 'Eurocup 3 - the movie' - 13 minutes of the most spectacular in-game action scenes (Q3 AND CS) from the EC3 LAN finals event that took place last july 14 and 15. Watch the exclusive Halflife-TV stuff, see the star players picture in picture during the game with Geist's exciting commentary, experience the god-like moves in slowmotion and other special effects that seem to be choreographed on the music, and watch out for the ending where Quake3 meets Counterstrike in the Eurocup twilight zone.
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  74. ZeRo4 wins QuakeCon by Spacelem · · Score: 2, Insightful
    All right, I watched the demos, especially all the ones at the end with Lakerman, Fatal1ty, Socrates, STX Reverend etc.

    ZeRo4 was utterly amazing, and he controlled the levels with such skill. He was a totally deserving winner. QuakeCon was a demostration of how Quake can really be played.

    I would advise anyone who hasn't done so already to go and download the demos here, and see for yourself.

  75. It's already happening by General888 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure I would want to see those things televised. But I can SEE that happening. It's already big thing in South Korea. These gamers are there "professionals". They get their money by playing in these events that are shown in television too. I'm not sure if it's crazy or not, but I wouldn't mind getting my bills paid by playing ;).

  76. For those who use Netscape Communicator... by antdude · · Score: 2

    and if you get file not found error, then turn off JavaScript or use another Web browser to access the page. The site complain it can't find the .js file. :(

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  77. Re:DM_66??? DM3s by enocim · · Score: 1
    I haven't had an internet connection for some time now and I'm going nuts. I'm a half life player but I started out playing quake, I just really want to watch this demo... I downloaded the q3demo and the demo of zero and fatality but how can I view this?

    I put it into q3ademo\and anywhere else that looks plausible but it's a .dm_66 and the other demos are .dm3 and look like they're built in to the pak0.pk3 file or something...

    any quake hackers have any advice how to run this .dm_66 file or where I can get a .avi or media file to view... if that's possible.

  78. Offtopic? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1


    Er.. he is addressing the topic right here;

    "2. Escape from Bastille"

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  79. Can't see the other player by Jagasian · · Score: 2

    Whenever I run the demo of Zero4 vs Fatality, I can't see the other player's model at all. Its like the other player is completely invisible. Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong?

    1. Re:Can't see the other player by ville · · Score: 1

      It works for me now:

      quake +set fs_game osp or loading the osp mod from the ingame menu. And then in console

      /demo

      The demo was located in ~/.q3a/baseq3/demos.

      Loading the osp mod, either way, commmand line or ingame menu and then trying to play the demo from the ingame menu doesn't work at all for me, not even invisible enemies.

      // ville

  80. Quake == trivial? by davew2040 · · Score: 1

    This forum is populated by "computer people"; I frankly would've expected a little less antagonism towards Quake. This is not an unimportant topic. Granted, the average Slashdot user may consider themselves professionals in the field, and may harbor a certain disdain for the average game player, who may be young and/or obnoxious. Nevertheless, an attempt should be made to keep this in context, understanding that the Quake series has truly been groundbreaking in terms of online entertainment over the past few years. For thousands upon thousands of users, Quake--and games like it--inspire purchasing top-quality hardware at premium prices. While harnessing the power of Beowulf clusters to definitively factor massive integers holds a certain allure for technical persons, activities of this sort should be congratulated; they demonstrate that computers are entering realms that have in the past been dominated by less dynamic and more mundane systems (think many forms of sports, or even console-based video games). What lies on the horizon for computer gaming is absolutely astounding, and I think we can unanimously agree that this is just the beginning of more immersive and more ubiquitous game mediums, which will undoubtedly push realtime consumer-level graphics and networking that much further.

    As a gamer, I've also gotta say that I'm amazed people reduce Quake to pointing and clicking. With five years under my belt I acknowledge that I have certain bias, but come on now. You may as well reduce the art of programming to the simple act of hammering repetitively on a keyboard. It's ridiculous. The players in a tournament like this have taken this game to a new level, and it's only fair to them that people not ridicule them by comparing it to Pong, Asteroid, or its other primitive ancestors. Come on, people like Carmack have done so much to popularize computers through the application of neat technology (unlike, say, AOL, which has more or less ridden the wave), give the complexity of it all some credit!

  81. quake movie by Magius_AR · · Score: 1
    When I first saw that title, I thought they were releasing ANOTHER crappy attempt at a movie based on a game. All I can say is "thank god."

    Critics:
    "See Angelina Jolie bounce repeatedly as she dodges railgun blasts! Absolutely titilating!"

    "Best movie since Tomb Raider!"

    "Action thriller! Heart pounding action that includes even MORE unrealistic, gravity defying acrobatics that makes the Matrix look like Pong!"

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