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Tiger MP Dual-Processor Motherboard
CtrlPhreak writes: "Anandtech has posted a review of an affordable AMD 760 based motherboard, the Tyan Tiger MP. It's basically the Tyan Thunder K7 without all the integration. For $220, it's a great deal. It has the exact same performance as the Thunder, and it is tested to run fine with those cheap and fast 1ghz durons. They say Tyan is putting out this board to compete with other offerings of a cheap 760 platform, we can only hope."
Damn... $220 for a motherboard? what happened to sub $100 motherboards? geeze, i've been buying DLL too long i guess.
I was hoping to build an AMD system for $400 or less... but spending $220 on a motherboard ain't gonna get me there..
It rox for my phat beats!!!
FP ladiez!!
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this is great, now that they have cheaper/better/faster processor's than Intel for the desktop, AMD can tap into the server market, where the real money is to be made.
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Damn... $220 for a motherboard? what happened to sub $100 motherboards?
Read the article again. It's a dual-CPU motherboard, meaning you can plug in a pair of Athlons or Durons. Sub-$100 motherboards support a single CPU.
What's your damage, Heather?
It's a dual-processor motherboard.
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It's cheap when you consider it's dual-processor using the Althlon's fancy bus. This board has 2x the bandwidth of a single processor board.
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By Michael Kelly
Wednesday, September 26, 2001; Page A25
Pacifists are not serious people, although they devoutly believe they are, and their arguments are not being taken seriously at the moment. Yet it is worth taking seriously, and in advance of need, the pacifists and their appeal.
It is worth it, first of all, because the idea of peace is inherently attractive; and the more war there is, the more attractive the idea becomes. Second, it is worth it because the reactionary left-liberal crowd in America and in Europe has already staked out its ground here: What happened to America is America's fault, the fruits of foolish arrogance and greedy imperialism, racism, colonialism, etc., etc. From this rises an argument that the resulting war is also an exercise in arrogance and imperialism, etc., and not deserving of support. This argument will be made with greater fearlessness as the first memories of the 7,000 murdered recede. Third, it is worth it because the American foreign policy establishment has all the heart for war of a titmouse, and not one of your braver titmice. The first faint, let-us-be-reasonable bleats can even now be heard: Yes, we must do something, but is an escalation of aggression really the right thing? Mightn't it just make matters ever so much worse?
Pacifists see themselves as obviously on the side of a higher morality, and there is a surface appeal to this notion, even for those who dismiss pacifism as hopelessly naive. The pacifists' argument is rooted entirely in this appeal: Two wrongs don't make a right; violence only begets more violence.
There can be truth in the pacifists' claim to the moral high ground, notably in the case of a war that is waged for manifestly evil purposes. So, for instance, a German citizen who declined to fight for the Nazi cause could be seen (although not likely by his family and friends) as occupying the moral position. But in the situation where one's nation has been attacked -- a situation such as we are now in -- pacifism is, inescapably and profoundly, immoral. Indeed, in the case of this specific situation, pacifism is on the side of the murderers, and it is on the side of letting them murder again.
In 1942 George Orwell wrote this, in Partisan Review, of Great Britain's pacifists:
"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me.' "
England's pacifists howled, but Orwell's logic was implacable. The Nazis wished the British to not fight. If the British did not fight, the Nazis would conquer Britain. The British pacifists also wished the British to not fight. The British pacifists, therefore, were on the side of a Nazi victory over Britain. They were objectively pro-Fascist.
An essentially identical logic obtains now. Organized terrorist groups have attacked America. These groups wish the Americans to not fight. The American pacifists wish the Americans to not fight. If the Americans do not fight, the terrorists will attack America again. And now we know such attacks can kill many thousands of Americans. The American pacifists, therefore, are on the side of future mass murders of Americans. They are objectively pro-terrorist.
There is no way out of this reasoning. No honest person can pretend that the groups that attacked America will, if let alone, not attack again. Nor can any honest person say that this attack is not at least reasonably likely to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. To not fight in this instance is to let the attackers live to attack and murder again; to be a pacifist in this instance is to accept and, in practice, support this outcome.
As President Bush said of nations: A war has been declared; you are either on one side or another. You are either for doing what is necessary to capture or kill those who control and fund and harbor the terrorists, or you are for not doing this. If you are for not doing this, you are for allowing the terrorists to continue their attacks on America. You are saying, in fact: I believe that it is better to allow more Americans -- perhaps a great many more -- to be murdered than to capture or kill the murderers.
That is the pacifists' position, and it is evil.
since when does the average pc user need a dual processor system anyway? single processor mobo's can be had for $100. dual processor systems are primarily aimed at server applications.
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The Tiger MP is a sweet mobo. However, AMD will be coming out with a new MP chipset called the 760MPX. The MPX has two distinct improvements. First, registered DDR RAM will not be necessary. Any old DDR RAM will do. Secondly, the MPX will support 66Mhz 64-bit PCI slots.
These things are gonna kick arse!! Things you can buy for ~$200 are getting cooler.
-Me
UnitedAgainstTerrorism.com
And the stability?
Or: is it based off of the Via chipset? That bleeping chipset seems to be in eternal beta.
The stability of the motherboards is, IMHO, the biggest thing keeping AMDs out of the server room. Admins don't give a damn about overclocking the CPUs, they want rock-solid performance and to not have to futz around with 8000 BIOS settings.
Easy does it!
This comment has been submitted already, 276865 hours , 59 minutes ago. No need to try again.
sucks. everyone knows this. what kind of shitty disinformation is /. now putting out, huh? get with the program assholes, the only good chip is intel; the only good os is win2k (or xp, or whatever), the only good arab is a dead one. where's your fucking partiotism?
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
This is total bullshit. If there was a clear enemy for whom attacking will actually achieve anything except strengthen the enemy most so-called pacifists would be suiting up and loading up their clips. As it is though it's a bunch of kill-hungry moroons without the slightest concept what they're doing.
Let me turn this around a bit: If you're for dropping bombs right now with no clear conviction of who you're fighting or what it will achieve, you are HELPING THE ENEMY. You are strengthening their resolve and helping them recruit many more terrorists who will be willing to kill thousands more Americans. If you are busy running to Slashdot to push articles like this inherently you love Osama because you pray for him or his successor to grow stronger. Perhaps you should be imprisoned as a traitor.
....dealnews?
(I might note in passing that the "lameness filter" and "enforced 20 second wait" are morally and, in some cases, practically identical with overbearing and ineffective security measures being put into place in airports. Both systems reduce system usability and flexibility while doing little or nothing to stop hijacking. I guess trolls are Slashdot's terrorists and Rob is exactly as smart as Bush. God help us all.)
324006
Get an ECS K7S5A mobo for $70. SiS735 chipset, stable, best deal in town. I've built two boxen with 'em. See Tom's Hardware here or the AnandTech forum here.
We have photographs of the new Asus and MSI 760MPX mobos.
Great price for an apparently awesome board, but I dont really wanna pay the extra for the Registered Ram . . .
:)
Looks like I've now got something to save my paychecks for
"All that we see and seem is but a dream within a dream." --Edgar Allen Poe
One is quite enough to heat up my appartment during the coldest winter nights. That motherboard is for someone with a big house or something.
Je t'aime Stéphanie
The version with Onboard Ultra160 SCSI costs about $100 more, But IMHO still seems reasonable considering this board has two 10/100 NICS supports 3 gigs of DDR, and has tons of other features.
I've been keeping an eye on this board at Pricewatch.com, but unfortunately the price hasn't been dropping nearly as fast as other computer stuff.
Nice thing about this board in comparison with Tyan's other AMD MP offerings is the fact that you can use a standard ATX power supply. Tyan's previous boards required that you purchase a proprietary 450W power supply. They recommend at least 300W, though. I'm running one of these right now with a single 1.2 Palomino on the 300W PS that came with my In-Win Q500N with no problems as of yet. While it can handle a standard power supply now, Tyan still recommends that you use Registered PC2100 RAM for it. I was able to find 256M for around $50 or so.
I recommend Einux Systems if you are looking for a place to purchase a motherboard processor combo for this board.
Before this board came out I was going to go for a dual PIII 1Ghz system, but since that type of processor is always going to stay at 1Ghz, I figured it was worth the extra money to be able to upgrade this board to wherever the Palomino chipset ends up (from what I've heard it the chipset should be able to scale up to 2Ghz or so).
There are supposed to be other boards released by Abit, MSI, etc. in the next month or two that will be even cheaper, but if you are like me and couldn't wait (and aren't planning on overclocking your system) then this board is a good choice.
I ordered one of these a few weeks ago, and unfortunately it arrived "Dead On Arrival".
I've been talking to a lot of other 2460 owners, and everyone is impressed, but everyone agrees that it can also be a very picky board.
There's been many reports of memory related problems, specifically with some brands of memory. The consensus so far is that Corsair memory has been the most reliable.
Once it's up an running though, there's been nothing but raving reviews.
MadCow... anxiously awaiting my replacement mobo...
I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
Get the whole article in one shot with the Print Article link.
As always,
before you buy, make sure you know what you're getting into.
This is a Kick-butt MoBo, but supposedly requires a 460 watt power supply!
Also, (I may be wrong), I thought that this board required the more expensive AMD "MP" processors.
Somebody here claimed it can run on Durons, but like a lot of what I read on the internet, I'm somewhat sceptical.
> > Mullah Mohammed Hasan Akhund, the deputy Taliban leader, and
> George W. Bush
> >agree to meet in Kabul for the first round of talks in a new
> anti-terrorism
> >process. When George sits down, he notices three buttons on the arm of
> >Akhund's chair. They begin talking.
> >
> > After about five minutes Akhund presses the first button. A
> boxing glove
> >springs out of a box on the desk and punches Bush in the
> >face. Annoyed, Bush carries on talking as Akhund laughs. A
> few minutes
> >later the second button is pressed. This time a big boot comes
> out and kicks
> >Bush in the shin.
> > Again Akhund laughs, and again George carries on talking,
> not wanting to
> >put off the bigger issue of peace between the two countries. But
> >when the third button is pressed and another boot comes out and
> kicks Bush
> >square in the privates, he's finally had enough.
> >
> > "I'm headin' back home!" he calmly tells the Afghan. "We'll
> finish these
> >talks in Washington in two weeks!"
> >
> > A fortnight passes and Akhund flies to the United States
> for talks. As
> >the two men sit down, Akhund notices three buttons on Bush's
> >chair arm and prepares himself for the Texan's retaliation.
> >
> > They begin talking and George presses the first button.
> Akhund ducks,
> >but nothing happens. George snickers but they continue talking. A
> >few minutes later he presses the second button. Akhund jumps up,
> but again
> >nothing happens. Bush roars with laughter. They continue the
> talks but when
> >the third button is pressed, Akhund jumps up again, but again nothing
> >happens.
> > Bush falls on the floor in a fit of hysterics.
> > "Forget this," says Akhund. "I'm going back to Afghanistan!"
> > George W. says, through tears of laughter, "What Afghanistan??"
> >
I've built two boxen with 'em.
when you say boxen instead of boxes it doesn't make you sound cool, it makes you sound like an idiot who's trying to sound cool. just give it a rest.
Do people just patrol the real tech sites to get a link or a credit on a weblog?
Acting stupid isn't much fun when there's someone around who knows better
256Mb dimms are only $7.00 dollars more than their unregistered brethern. Checking crucial's site confirmed the cost really is not an issue
This looks the motherboard I was waiting for, as I don't need all the bells the previous offering had, let alone the price tag.
Granted a 64bit/66mhz bus chipset is coming out, but for those to whom this board appeals to most likely won't need the 66mhz PCI.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
I've had trouble with getting tech support from Tyan. I've also had trouble with their manuals not being complete.
Bush's education improvements were
I've used AMD processors and would've bought AMD when I upgraded my machine 5 mos ago if the SMP capabilities were there but I'm not so certain now after the Tom's Hardware review. In the review (posted on /.) it demonstrated heatsinks being removed from the CPU while in operation. Both the PIII & PIV survived but the Athlons fried up with one taking the motherboard with it.
I think we all use Linux for it's across the board stability so why not apply those high expectations to the hardware we put in those boxes? I for one think that I may not be purchasing AMD until they address the fact that the heat monitoring system that works for a fan-failure should also work for aa heatsink begin dislodged. Else you may find yourself out the $$ for a processor as well as the cost of your kick-ass Tyan mobo.
"...and generally behaved in a manner one can only describe as despicable." - February 27 2001, Michael Sims
There are quite a few problems with this board, two of the least being that the voltage regulators cant support higher clock speeds, and the system becomes unstable when the DIMM load becomes too heavy. Also, I cant believe Tyan is saying you can use unregistered DIMMs if there are only two in the system.
and the plural of beeotch isn't beeotchae, beeeotch!
Note that the Tiger MP has problems with larger heatsinks due to the layout of the PCB. Check the Anandtech article for more info.
One other problem that the Anandtech article didn't mention is that the board does not have the four mounting holes around the processor sockets (like the P4s all have, and many AMD have). So forget about the latest Swiftech and Alpha heatsinks which require those holes.
Perhaps Tyan decided to omit the holes because there wasn't room anyways... the heatsinks that mount via screws tend to be bigger and may not have fit properly anyways. At the same time, I do like the mounting holes as I feel a lot safer when my heatsink is screwed onto the motherboard -- I don't want it popping off and allowing my processor to burn itself up.
Of course having two CPUs isn't as important as having 384 or 512 gigs of RAM, but it's a valid concern for the average home user...
See, these days, the average home user wants to run Nautilus and Netscape simultaneously in Enlightenment on top of GNOME with antialiased screen fonts and alpha-rendered transparent xterms, while he (or she) watches Antitrust on DVD in a window (if LiViD worked) and works in Photoshop running on VMWare.
This is what the average home user wants these days, and so the average home user is building his (or her) own PC because Dell and Gateway just aren't offering it.
To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
Why is it that AMD produces explicit MP CPUs, and I read about MP boards that can use standard CPUs?
Unable to read configuration file '/bigassraid/htdig//conf/14229.conf'
Geocrawler error message.
Since games, graphics design and CAD so who said its for the average PC anyway? On the other hand many servers are way over built CPU wise as CPUs wait for I/O so it is not really built specifically for anything.
... a beowolf cluster of these?
~ now you know
NOt only did you get the dual athlons, you got dual 3com NICs, Adaptec 7899W dual channel Ultra160 SCSI controller (dual channel!), onboard ATI RageXL graphics. Add all that up as seperate components, and the board doesn't look that expensive. Espically when you have all that hardware and still have 5 ? 64-bit/33MHz PCI slots (backwards compatible with 32-bit/33MHz PCI devices).
:)
Overall, the board is competitive to server board offerings from Intel. I haven't been overly impressed with the onboard 3com nics however. Installing linux can be a chore as they don't always work except on the latest 2.2 kernels. The drivers included in Windows 2000 for these cards have a few bugs in them as well. In both cases it's fixable by driver/kernel updates, but could present an issue during installation.
And the problems I've had with the onboard 3com's have been on Dell motherboards anyway.
I'm going to go back in my box and will think within the limits of my box: MS Sucks Linux Good I read too much Slashdot.
Perhaps you should make sure you know what you're talking about before posting!
First, it uses a standard ATX power supply not the 460 watt custom one required by its big brother.
Second, the most recent Durons are identical to Athlon MPs aside from the amount of L2 cache.
monarchcomputer
These guys test out the board/cpu/ram for you. I haven't had any problems with mine which I have had for almost a month.
My only problem is noise. I got the ThermalTake Volcano II because it was listed as the lowest decibals.
But both those fans running are still horrendously loud.
Once the prices settle after the October chip announcements, I'll be having one of these built with the Thunder board (unless something else comes along
hawk
It looks like I've finally found a board that's worthy enough to replace the bp6 I've been using forever.
The bp6 let me use low cost celerons in an smp config, and now I can use durons the same way.
/* since when does the average pc user need a dual processor system anyway? /*
Since the DivX:-) format came out and I discovered a need to watch at least three Rocco films simultaneously...erm, so I can render 3D scenes blazingly fast...
What devices use 64bit pci slots? I know they've been around for years on Alpha's but don't seem that popular.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
It just shows the difference in quality. Intel obviously made a more stable cpu with a safety precaution that works. Now AMD looks like its cutting corners just to get the product out the door. Personally I wouldn't buy a cpu that catches fire in under a second.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Imagine a StarCat Cluster of these! :)
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
That's funny, I don't. In fact, if cost is an issue you shouldn't be. Use Pricewatch man. I'm sure that you'll find that the difference is sufficiently more than $7.00 dollars.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
it still has the 33 like its big brother.
son of a...
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Product-placement on Slashdot! ;-)
Agilent Articooler Price
"We're sorry, but the website you're trying to reach has been disconnected."
i use a tyan 230 w/dual PIII CPUs... what i like is the *lack* of features, and only want to deal w/RAM, storage, CD-ROM, and video
i went with the Intel CPUs because i read about the tests of the AMDs regarding cooling fan failure and how the CPUs don't have thermal protection (dead CPU, kill the mobo, and fire hazard)...
has anyone ever experienced this in a home-built box w/AMD CPUs?
Does anyone know where I can get 512M DDR? I've seen a few places in the various price bots, but not at a decent price from anyone I'd trust to buy from.
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On a related note, I recently read of servers equiped with Transmeta Crusoes having no fans. While I am sure the performance of the Crusoe is not as great as Athlons, it is a trade-off to consider imo. Here is a bit from a recent press release of the Crusoes:
"There ought to be limits to freedom"
The board has four DDR slots, you can only use two of them if you want to use unregistered DDR.
Here's a blatant rip from the review:
"As long as only two slots were filled, the stability was identical and the performance was roughly the same (the unregistered modules are theoretically faster but that doesn't translate into any tangible performance gains). When more than three unregistered DIMMs were installed the system would not POST; and adding a third registered DIMM to a set of two unregistered DIMMs would not boot either."
Reading the article closely before you post is a good thing.
If you're not even willing to fight to live, you have already lost. Even if you don't fight you NEED to support the ones willing to fight for you. Anyone that doesn't is an ungrateful bastard that would rather look morally superior yet will flawed logic than an emotional person.
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It could be like what one girl told me about guys who drive Porsches: ``they all have bald heads and small dicks''.
If you don't know who is behind this you seriously need a brain transplant. If you don't think that Islam fundimentalists are trying to subvert the US with pansy pacifist rhetoric like the stuff you are spewing then you yourself are under terrorist control; in other words you are a tool of the terrorists. You sir should be shot.
saru mo ki kara ochiru
My only regret is ordering the week prior to AMD's recent price cuts. I realize that prices are virtually always spiralling down, but missing price cuts by just a few days hurts.
I have a bald head and a small dick. My daily driver is an '86 Escort with 186K miles.
In General, I can care less about the ATX form factor. Allowing the operating system advanced control over a switching power supply is something I regard as a conspiracy to thwart Linux's efforts for longest up-time. ACPI controllers have always been a waste of a perfectly-good IRQ. APM and "green-pc" was a thing of the past too. The powersupply should have interactivity with the operating system as to when it will shutoff and how many seconds power will remain "on", which is purely Unix-friendly in my POV. We don't need anying integrated on the motherboard: RS232 ports, Parallel Ports, USB, FloppyDisk Controller, IDE Controller.
This is legacy speeking to us on how we should have a generic system setup. We need a new device interface. Think of PCI, but without the bracket and IO connectors facing behind the computer, outside. Think of PCI in the middle of the board with IO riser-cables snaking to the front of the Computer Case to the actual user. Everyone enjoys easy access to their PCMCIA, CardBus, USB, Firewire, and RS232 ports on the front of the Computer; think of Compaq's idea. Or even think of a IO-Hub on a rotary arm that swivels from the computer case to wherever you want, without it touching your workspace.
Motherboard, we need them smaller. We need them more customizable. I want to see a Dual AMD AthlonMP Motherboard or Dual Pentium V Motherboard with a dependable number of 32bit PCI-slots, TWO AGP SLOTS, a nice array of 64bit PCI-slots, 4 168pin DIMM SLOTS, and DUAL CPU SLOTS that give courtesy to full-length PCI and AGP DEVICES. Frankly, I want a motherboard that is simply a BUS for the RAM, CPUs, and expansion cards. I want to add my own firewire and scsi interfaces and be able to remove them *with ease when they fail. I'm talking about a motherboard with the dimensions of 8 inches BY 8 inches. Can they do it? That's the challenge!
My comment on the Tyan is: "Those two remaining 32bit PCI slots will allove my Hercules Stingray 12MB Voodoo2 SLI-mode videocards some optimum motherboard usage. Too bad they stuck with ATX form factor and weren't able to integrate 7 PCI slots at their discretion."
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
I have a dual Celeron (300A running at 500Mhz) with a Tyan Tiger dual motherboard. ;o)
The clip from the heatsink on one of the CPU went off. Once I noticed that the programs kept hanging and that the temperature of the CPUs was to high, I opened the case, found the problem and fixed it (bought thermal paste and put everything back in place).
The stuff was installed correctly and held for a year. But shit happens... And I doubt the case was thrown though the room (I have got kids so they might have banged the case a bit, but nothing unusual, just the usual kicking
Mind you, it was the first time I saw this happen, and I could probably have got better heatsinks (they came with the CPU's). But still it makes you think! And right now, I am thinking of upgrading in a few month time, with a dual Athlon.
Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
I've been watching AMD's stock for the last few weeks, and can't believe how low it is. Anybody out there with a financial background care to comment on why they have such hot products, yet their stock continues to go down?
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try 1 mobo + 2 1 Ghz durons = < $400. durons run real nice in this as do the old tbirds.
1 mobo + 2 1.4 Ghz T-birds = < $425.
or for a screamer...
1 mobo + 2 1.2 Pallys + 2 golden sockets will go for < $700 and will bury any dual P4 machine in performance when you oc them to over 1.5 Ghz.
the price performance of this mobo with the amd processors is compelling. but that is old news now, like this "news" story...
Sex is heriditary, if your parents didn't have it chances are good you won't either.
Brento is right. $220 is a lot of money when the Abit VP6 dual PIII can be had for $130.
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Cool. She wasn't talking about you. She said that you were OK. It's just the Porsche guys that bugged her.
I bought the Tiger about 2 weeks ago and I haven't had a single problem with it. I switched from the GA-7ZX-R which, needless to say, is a terrible motherboard.
I'm running Athlon 1.1ghz(non MP, obviously. It also runs excellently in single processor mode, although I'm not sure why you'd want to do this.
Watch out, or I'll have the penguins eat you.
Oh...and, I'm liquid talent
However I tried to triple boot with Windows 98 so I can use a cheap video grabber card--my advice is DON'T EVEN TRY to install Win98 on this board. Mine installed fine but would not boot Win98.
Placing the heatsink/fans on the CPUs was kind of tricky. I had 2mm of clearance between my heatsink/fan of choice and the single row of capacitors on the board. If the caps didn't wiggle I wouldn't have been able to install the heatsink/fans.
I found humor on the inside cover of the manual. I was pleased to see in print that this motherboard is certified for *both* Win2k and RH 7.1. However that textual note was marked with an asterisk to the effect:
Hello Tyan! I believe Microsoft will stop meaningful support of Win2k long before that RH would stop meaningful support of RH 7.1. More info about that assertion here, here and here.Also, a warning. If you choose to install 1 Gb or so of ECC, registered memory, then booting takes a long time. There's some kind of POST that occurs for this kind of memory that delays my boot by like 30 seconds.
Finally, I just want to say that SMP is no magic bullet. For my purposes this board is fabulous. But in fact, some applications run more slowly on a dual CPU system. For example, any given single threaded program (read: first person shooter) will take a hit, say 2-5% of its speed. Your application has to use multiple threads to take advantage of this environment. Of course you can run more processes, that's nice.
You can judge for yourself if this is a good board for you. Look at the reviews for the Tyan Thunder K7, I feel they apply to the Tiger when it comes to processor performance. You can find review for that board here and here
That would imply he read it the first time.
You can use 60-2-80mm fan adapters now. http://www.inflowdirect.com [inflowdirect.com] sells them for like $8. 2 day air shipping to NYC arrives next day. They get good reviews and are very cheap. Well, except for some of the case fan covers, but those are custom made and no one needsa biohazard fan grill anyway :)
And you'll get what you pay for: a flaky piece of shit. You'd think people would have learned their lesson after the BP6.
wrong board... this is not the s2462, this is the s2460.
It is pretty much a totally different design.
I use a Noisecontrol Silverado. It's really quiet and was the winner in a Tom's Hardware roundup, and the quietest at 38db.
It cools my 1.2Ghz Athlon running at 1.35GHz just fine, and I can't hear it at all over the Antec case fans (which are quiet as well).
Price is an issue though -- it was $88 shipped to the US from Germany, but it arrived quickly.
It's 80mmx56mm, but it's 133mm tall because it uses twin squirrel-cage fans, so it's certainly not going to fit in a rack-mount, but it fits in a tower just fine.
Intel CPU's and Mobo are the real fire hazard. If the heatsink gets hit with a hammer itcan fall off, cracking MB/VID capacitors and causing and electric arc to light the dust bunnies inside on fire. The smoke can trigger the halon system, killing everyone in the data center.
:p) and UT fizzles at about 73*C thanks to my ATI AGP.
The Athlon heat issue is a non-issue. The P3 burns out if it doesnt have a heatsink either. So do car engines if you take off the radiator. My god, what are you people thinking? Do you complain when your car's rims spark and your gas mileage drops when you drive around without tires too?
The heatsink doesn't just "fall off". The fan stopping its a remote possibility. My athlon 1.33 stock GHZ goes up to about 80*C when I remove the fan. Windows craps out at about 75*C (or 0*C really
You let the system shut down, turn it back on and the CPU is fine. If your system's heatsink or fan are in the habit of falling off on their own, you have a far great problem than how much heat the CPU produces.
AMD is the 2nd largest maker of [PC] CPUs. As a result, it is most commonly compared to Intel, which honestly, is a different industry, but I won't harp on that here.
"Bad" news for AMD result in a boost to Intel's share price, since anything eliminating competition results in monopoly profits for Intel. The reverse is not true however. Any "bad" news from Intel is seen as industry wide, which results in AMD taking a hit. This applies even when the "bad" news is Intel screwing up a FAB and having to delay a launch by six months as a result.
The layoffs (2300 total) AMD announced are at a 20 year old FAB in Austin. They don't make CPUs OR flash memory there. Those FABs were hold overs from when they made network chips as well. AMD is focused on CPU production, with Flash memory staying in the mix since its a big fat cash cow. The recession has halted the cash cow aspect of flash, but that will pick up in 6-18 months. It's a cyclical business after all.
Incidentally, AMD's stock has "dropped" back to what it was in July'99, but it's not lower. AMD was at $14.5 at its low, but it SPLIT in Aug99, so even at its 12 year low today of $8.xx its still up 10%.
In short, AMD is a far better buy than Intel if you want to play the CPU/PC market - IF you think the market will improve. Five years from now no one knows what will be going on. We could all be running Apple OS XXX on MS/AOL/TWC/ATT/IBM's crusoe chips on our Palm Pilot MIM green "because green is faster" (Mac Addict injoke) deluxe editions.
Yes I bought AMD stock this week. Yes I'll buy more.
There are some engines that can handle a catastrophic loss of coolant by running on fewer cylinders, and using the "unused" cylanders to help keep the engine cool (I know some Cadillacs have this).
It's a matter of quality. AMD is still deficient in some areas compared to Intel.
If you leave your machine running unattended, you probably would rather not have it catch fire.
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Oh yeah, and it's set to something reasonable my default. You actually have to disable that if you want to fry your processor.
Next time you're going to whine, whine about something legitimate.
There's too much buzz about the latest and greatest high end multiprocessor motherboard. Isn't one of the selling points of Linux is its ability to run on slower (and less expensive) equipement?
I want to set up a server at home. It will run Linux as the O/S. It will also run apache and sendmail and possibly samba (haven't decided on that last item). I expect it to be extremely low volume on both web hits and email.
So how much power do I need? I figure a 300 Mhz system will be more than enough power. 128Meg of memory should be enough, though it's cheap enough that I might as well go for 256Meg. SCSI is nice, but EISA is plenty fast for my needs, besides, big honking EISA drives are dirt cheap. I don't need onboard sound or fancy 3d graphics - it's going to be a headless server - sound and graphics won't be used at all. In fact, the fewer built in features the better, so i would prefer no built in ethernet cards. I can pick up a pair of ethernet cards for less than $25 any day (I probably have a couple lying around, anyway).
The only feature I can think of that could possible push the price up is I want it to be quiet. Does anyone make a system that is so quiet it can be kept in a bedroom where I (and my wife) sleep? Now do they make it cheap?
Essentially: Box with powersupply, motherboard with processor, 128Meg of ram, build in EISA controller, 10 Gig drive (more or less), floppy (for that first time boot and crash recovery), CDROM (nothing fancy, just used to install new software). Only enough video to run in console mode. No keyboard, monitor, or mouse - I can borrow those from another system for the initial setup. After that, I'll ssh into the system for configuration.
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Its a 760MP chipset, not a 760 chipset, there is a world of difference. The 760 was the first Athlon DDR solution, and up until recently the best performing.
The 760MP is what is on the Thunder K7, it supports dual processors and DDR.
Maybe you should modify the article.
Does the VP6 support 1+ GHz CPU clock speeds? I doubt it. Does it support a 266 MHz FSB? How about DDR? Even if it does, I'd rather have a 1 GHz Athlon than a 1 GHz Pentium; even if you like Intel over AMD, you would still have to admit that an Athlon is from a more advanced generation than the PIII.
Taking stuff apart since 1969 (TM)
The article doesn't have any Quake benchmarking. I understand that Quake3 is designed to make use of smp. Does anyone know how Quake 3 runs on biAthlon MP? I heard it's amazing on the new 800MHz Dual G4s.
I'm a cheap skate so I'm definatley going to buy it. all i use are inexpensive or old parts. for ex. my soon to be linux machine has got a cyrix processor in there (200 mhz. but it's got the pre-raid architecture) a sonique sound card from the early nintees, 48 megs of old dram, and some old cdrom that i've never heard of.
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Dual processors can increase your gaming pleasure. DroneZ gets 20%-78% more fps with dual athlons.
These results came from a review of the Tyan Thunder K7
http://www.amdworld.co.uk/ty.htm
The bottom of this page has the benchmarks.
http://www.amdworld.co.uk/ty8.htm
Comparing 1 CPU vs 2 CPU (Athlon 1.2GHz MP)
1 CPU 2 CPUs Improvement
Highest Quality: 44.37 54 21.7%
High Quality: 61.2 98.9 61.4%
Medium Quality: 62.32 102.11 63.8%
Low Quality: 83.91 149.8 78.5%
It's an *EXCELLENT* board, a bit expensive but it doesn't have all the "problems" it's older brother had (power supply issues comes to mind).
:).
;)
BTW: KUDOS to anandtech for doing something more than quake benchmarks (not that I mind about quake benchmarks but only GAMES benchmarks and crap like sysmarks doesn't show the real potential of the board in a REALWORLD context, you can tweak a system/drivers for specific tests, EVEN if they are supposed to be the closest thing to realworld, manufacturer know exactly WHAT the websites are going to benchmark with and they will exploit everything they can). I really appreciate the fact that there was something like 3DSmax rendering numbers for example, you don't buy that kind of setup to play games, you buy it for cad, 3d, server, workstation, GENERALLY
Of course it's still a bit "expensive" right now, but since it's unique on the market due to tyan's exclusive deal with amd, I guess it's a bit normal for them to try to cash in on that, still it's WAY cheaper than the intel equivalent offering. The price will come down soon enough when Asus releases it's version and there were rumors about a gigabyte motherboard comming soon as well.
The only thing that would make me hesitate if I was someone without the budget and wanting to invest for a "longer term" solution, if there's supposed to be an HAMMER announcement from amd in october or november (with all you can read on the net) and the fact that it should run 3x the speed of an Athlon, you might want to hold off a bit, but else, it's an excellent choice, I've ordered 5 extra renderfarm nodes built on Tiger MP motherboards. The only thing I have to worry now is heat management
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I already bought one and built a system around it. Dual 2.1Ghz Palaminos, 2x 256 PC2100 DDR RAM. Sweet!
:)
I have been impressed. Very stable, I've only locked up the machine once under RedHat 7.1 (SMP Kernel) while using Mozilla... I threw an old 3GB drive with BeOS 4 and it took off right away. I didn't have to change anything. BeOS saw that it was a dual.
I bought a USB keyboard for it... I had to hook a PS/2 to it first so I could turn on the USB support. Otherwise you can never get into the BIOS.
Scottgfx... too lazy to sign in. The password is somewhere on my G4/733 at home.
Well you can get the Abit board cheaper. But what you save on the board you will more than spend on the Processor
Stable my ass. Apparently a significant percentage of them are bad right out of the plant (some sort of issues with video screwiness, on both PCI and AGP systems, followed by a freeze-up) and you have to ship them back. If you order it online, that means the joy of paying shipping to wait a week for something you thought was going to be up and running already. I moved my system to a more expensive yet less featureful Abit, and have had absolutely zero problems (not to mention its easier to overclock and the BIOS doesn't suck as much)...
Can't happen. There's a reason it's called the Accelerated Graphics Port. It's a spec for a special port with priority access to memory and such. It was never designed as a "bus", just as a "port" to connect two points, and it's nearly impossible to put two into a system.
There's a reason why you've never seen a motherboard with two AGP slots. They can't exist, given the current spec.
PHEM - party like it's 1997-2003!
I got one 2 weeks ago.... 2 x 1.2 palamino Athlons and 1/2 gig Ram..... its soo fast its hard to believe! Insight.com in the UK have some coming in every month - they trickle in so you have to be lucky to get one.
Great board... needs big fans, using 2 huge silver mountains to cool the CPU's, and a coolermaster 210 case.
Only problems I have had so far is the Wake-up-on-lan and the APM shutdown, I can't for the life of me get my WOL working, when it worked fine on my old ASUS, also the machine will not APM shutdown when I go shutdown -h now (doesnt work in wintendo either) Any ideas?
2.4.10 fixes AGP Gart problems with it too, also the board does not set the MTRR's on both CPU's for some reason?????
great board though - no other problems and rock solid, never crashes or has an problems.