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Class Action Lawsuit Against Spammer
sfjoe writes "California-based spammer eTracks is being sued by the law firm, Morrison and Foerster (who have a very cool homepage). M & F's press release says they are "...seeking other relief, including attorneys' fees and statutorily authorized damages of $50 for each email delivered in violation of the law, up to $25,000 per day".
California's anti-spam law has already held up under appeals court scrutiny so this may very well be a major setback to the spam industry."
I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each
forged header.
That is just too funny. :)
How cool of a name is that?
..... um, i mean, arrested.
Judge: And the defendent is MoFo and associates.
I'll have to hire them if I ever get caught
Didn't we see this a little while back?
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That is one clean page web page design.
You know, this could be good, vigilante action for profit against spammers, I likes it!
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."
Unfortunatley, odds are that as soon as they win the case, the spammer will disappear and resurface somewhere else, only to repeat the process.
D
The first, last, and only tech news site on the net
Morrison & Foerster (MoFo, www.mofo.com) said, "We're Gonna Get These Mofos! Err, not us, MoFo, but those Mofo Spammers..."
Yes, they really call themselves MoFo!
Photos of bits of the past hiding in the present: afiler.com
diospadre has first post...maybe
THIS IS IMPORTANT NEWS YOU MUST READ!
Click here to read, you may find it disturbing! (worser than goatse.cx)
Pseudo phone call: Hi, this is Jay Williams, Oh Hi, my favourtite client... I've just had someone spam me... That mofo.. I'll get him! Wow, cool... .. such mofos... @$$#! ....
Yeah. In California.
Sorry to be cynical, but these guys _can_ just move, y'know. *Sigh*
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
"I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header."
nah, make em donate a piano. Baby Grand or something...*rim shot*
Ok, it's stupid, but what can you say about this? Cool, I hope they win, spammers suck, do people actually buy into these spam emails? Why isn't it illegal in all states/countries, etc.?
The horse is almost dead, I hope. We've beat it enough.
Sent from your iPad.
who have a very cool homepage).
Not anymore in say... 30 minutes ?
Mr. Turd, this is MoFo.Prepare for some heavy slashdotting
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
I wonder if MoFo will sue Taco & company after their Website is slashdotted! ;-)
Why has this been happening so much of late? You'd think the slashdot editors would actually read slashdot.
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The big problem is how can we get at all of the garbage that originates overseas? Half of my spam comes from ".tw"
While it would be nice to get rid of spam, I will miss the daily opportunity to have my penis enlarged.
I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header.
Personally, I would prefer if they donated pianos.
Congratulations to all of you lazy assholes who could not be bothered to just hit the delete button a couple of times per day. Your laziness has resulted in the curtailing of free speech in this country (up until now it had been a constitutional right.) I wonder, in a year's time when lawmakers use this law as a stepping-stone for other speech-limiting laws (i.e., "you cannot discuss Linux or other OSS software in e-mail") will you bastards be so damn smug?
sales@etracks.comc ks.com
staffhelp@etracks.com
busdev@etracks.com
email_removal@response.etra
isp@etracks.com
MARIJUANA, SHROOMS, X: ONLINE?! - E
Not to be confused with Mark A. Fry & Associates.
Why is spam such a big deal? Why do Slashdotters go hog-wild and advocate violence against spammers, whose profession's name cannot be typed without heaps of disdain?
They're just trying to make money, and it's really not that hard to delete the stuff. As annoying as it might be (although I guess I must just be better at dealing with my anger than most of the folks here), there's nothing to indicate to me that it's illegal. Why in the world should it be illegal? This is the same Slashdot that seems to hate the idea of the government having any sort of regulatory hand in the internet at all, now clamoring for the government's legal protection from some emails?
As soon as we start allowing the government to regulate commercial email, other, less welcome regulations are sure to follow, in the ostensible interest of national security, or justice, or any of the other stock government facades.
Get a grip, guys. Police ourselves, or we will find ourselves being policed, and we won't like it.
visit the hwky website for a lyrical genius infusion.
That name is great on so many levels. According to their site, they seek $50 in damages per email! Where does that figure come from? Also, they stated that at $50 per day, their spam suit would be valued at $25000 per day. A bit of math shows that's 500 pieces of spam. I get nearly 100 pieces per day (which I consider pretty low). So does it "cost" me $5000 to click "delete" 100 times? If so, does anyone want to hire me to click "delete" for them? $50 per click.
stuff |
It would be nice if someone could find a way to sue X10 for those goddamn banner ads that pop up every 30 seconds...
California's anti-spam law has already held up under appeals court scrutiny so this may very well be a major setback to the spam industry.
Only if other states have enacted already or will enact tough spam laws like the ones in California.
And for those who consider spam free speech: E-mail messages cost bandwidth. An individual e-mail does not cost much, but when multiplied by the number of spams an individual may receive, and multply that by a corporation's user base, it could add up to a lot of money wasted in unnecessary bandwidth usage. It's definitely not free speech! Just ask the spammees.
I know when I e-mail my lawyer they charge me for about 15 minutes in most cases at an hourly rate of 250 an hour so it makes sense that if this spammer is mailing them all day long they should get charged as well.
--MD--
I think their homepage sucks.
CmdrTaco, I'm all for it if the SPAMees pick which organ. (*WINCES*)
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
The lawyers are suing the spammers.
On the one hand, I want the spammers to die a deserving death. On the other hand, I've worked with lawyers and would kind of like it if there were about 1/100th the number of lawyers we have presently.
I kind of want to fix the whole problem with a daisy cutter or something.
fifth sigma, inc.
Now they need to hire Samuel L. Jackson as their spokesman and they will be SET!
Who the hell modded this troll up?!?!
spam != free speech.
spam == harrassment
It is lead attorney, Jo Moma!
someone please mod this crap down
I'll go with clueless...
Because NetCraft says their site is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Windows 2000 and it even detects a switch FROM Linux sometime in mid-late 2001.
My kingdom for some moderation points!
Very nice.
[snip]Morrison & Foerster employs approximately 1,000 attorneys and 1,350 non-attorney staff in 18 offices worldwide. [/snip]
/. read slashdot. I know I get a kick when the company I work for or related subjects are news posts.
[snip] Morrison & Foerster was named by Fortune Magazine in its first list of 100 Best Companies to Work for in America. [/snip]
Thats alot of desktop computers and servers for a company, Always wondered how many people from the companies in articles on
Come on MoFo IT/IS guys, post some replys!
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We DEMAND a better mod system!!
According to their own website, eTracks is owned by Learn2.com.
Can forged headers constitute mail fraud? Identity theft? misrepresentation? Since some (if not most) Spam is sent in a manor to hide the identity of the sender, is it not covered by some existing law. People treat Spam as unsolicited, but its deliver may be more suspect, and in this case, more attackable.
Ok, I can understand slashdot reposting a story that was reported, say, two months ago. But this story was posted _yesterday_. You can tell they're the same story just from the three line blurb on the front page.
Sigh.
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MoFo is actually a fairly well known and respected law firm.
That's well targeted mail. Who would benefit from a ... more self secure male friend? Right.
This story seems oddly familar
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
insert some message here saying how funny that was and I wish I oculd mod it up
I'll go with coolest, they have the Working Mother Award. Think about it...
test
Yeah, and so are drug dealers and kiddie porn peddlers.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
If it works as supposed (by law) to, email_removal@response.etracks.com will add spammers address to the list of removing, effectively removing this address and spammer's kissmeplenty20022@hotmail.com from the list.
But if works as it usually works, you effectevely created a cycled list of selfsubcribing spam lists!
Awesome!
Right here.
there site is still up and serving pages with decent speed, either is a really slow day on slashdot or the MOFO's have a decent sysadmin/setup
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
The reason people spam is that the cost is low, even in the worst case.
Spammer's worst case just got much worse.
If spamming becomes a risky, possibly very expensive proposition, the big spamhauses could be in trouble. They've got deep enough pockets to be hurt badly by such a suit. Bad news for them; good news for the rest of the Net.
Sadly, it's probably not much of a threat to spammers in China, Russia, etc.
Stupid job ads, weird spam, occasional insight at
Geez, don't people read the linked material before posting? Or don't the editors make corrections before sending the thing to the main page? This is not a class action suit. It's Morrison and Foerster suing on their own behalf because of spam sent to users on their own network.
And the brethren went away edified.
Not their legal services. I just want a vanity e-mail address at their domain!
spam-this@mofo.com
Instead of everybody going to the 'cool' homepage of the lawyers how about the entire slashdot audience go to www.etracks.com like 10 times a day for the next month or so. See how they like HIT-SPAMMING. Be advised I have trademarked that term so when hit-spamming becomes popular and everybody is doing it. I'll become rich.
Some more:
e tracks.com
c eo@etracks.com@ etracks.comc ks.com r syth@etracks.comt racks.com. comt s@etracks.com
contact@etracks.com
support@etracks.com
jobs@
job@etracks.com
career@etracks.com
jerry.sandoval@etracks.com
jerry
jsandoval@etracks.com
sandoval@etra
todd.lorenz@etracks.com
todd@etracks.com
tlorenz@etracks.com
lorenz@etracks.com
paul.fo
forsyth@etracks.com
pforsyth@e
paul@etracks.com
brian.shefts@etracks
brian@etracks.com
shefts@etracks.com
bshef
You must be a troll but everyone knows that windows 2000 has a far lower TCO for a single server than linux, think about it bonehead.
funny how the stats about mofo's employees list that their are 6 openly gay employees there, like they know they got some closet cases too
A friend of mine works there, I'll have to ask him how they stood up to a slashdotting.
Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1992-1951
my grandma loves reading about tight teen anal sex... misspent youth i guess.
MARIJUANA, SHROOMS, X: ONLINE?! - E
I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header.
Maybe even one to the church Kathleen and Rob will get married in. ;)
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I believe the $50/spam figure is specified in the California law, not an "actual" damages figure computed by valuing the resources lost to each spam message. Similarly the $25k/day is a statutory cap imposed on the damage award.
Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you
Its running windows 2000 and IIS and we can't take it down? You call yourself zealots get out the oc-48s and keep hitting it.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Your myopic perspective demonstrates that you know not of what you speak. My ISP (I'm friends with the owner) handles 16,000 pieces of spam every day, in total. Each one eats up 1-3Kb of bandwidth for the message. The total dollar value of that bandwith to the ISP is US$27,000.00 per year. That cost gets passed on to the customers, and because of that I get charged extra to pay for that bandwidth. Also, I had an address that I stopped posting to public forums in 1997, but until I changed my address I got somewhere around 100 messages a DAY. After about a year of not getting messages because there was too much garbage to crawl through, and having to "just click delete" 85 times a day, it got to be too much.
So, next time you decide to talk about how it's no big deal, could you send me a few hundred dollars to make up for the insignificant impact it's had on me?
Virg
OK, that's not good mail targetting. Even worse, during election times in the US, I tend to get unsolicited mail about various candidates and voter initiatives from the US, which is _really_ pointless for them, seeing how Swedes - living in Sweden, with a '.se' ending in the mail address - normally aren't eligible to vote in california or wherever they are campaigning...
:)
Makes me want to move temporarily so I can vote for their opponent.
/Janne
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
The lawsuit is being filed on behalf of Morrison & Foster by itself and is not a class action. Nobody else is entitled to restitution. Sorry. I'm waiting for better tech to sort out this sort of "editorial" oversight in the future.
I hope Bernard Shifman is making enough money to be able to cover his advertising expenses at $50 per e-mail. I don't think he is because last reports had him still spamming message boards and a few other addresses.
Couldn't Californians bring suit against Shifman if they have recieved one of his silly resumes?
Maybe we should post law firm email addresses all over the place on the net, so they get picked up by the bots.
The lawyers get spams, and they will sue the spammers. If enough lawyers sue enough spammers and win the case, maybe quite a few of spammers will go broke. And maybe the lawyers might have a better image among the geeks too.
"I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header."
Better still, they should be forced to serve as armor piercing artillery. Granted, it might not be as effective as what's used now, but it would be better for the environment, both real and virtual.
The hole in this theory is that most of these people are actually based in the US and spamming because they have squat for money and need to con people to get any. Now, assume they relocate to Mexico they might get away with it for a while, but I wouldn't count on that either. Effectively they'd have to pick up and move themselves to a country without extradition, etc. If they have the wherewithall to do that, most probably wouldn't need to spam.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I seem to recall a Simpson's episode where lunch-lady Doris was scooping from a barrel labeled "Snouts and Testicles." Seems somehow appropriate...
"Good things don't end with eum, they end with mania or teria." - H. Simpson
I've always wondered... why do the script kiddies and crackers of the world attack web sites to "tag" them. Why don't they do something useful and shut these places down for a few days at a time?!
but they need to learn that javascript:history.back() will not always take everyone to their homepage. :)
There are two big differences between spam and junk mail. First, if you ask the Post Office who owns the postal permit on which the junk mail is sent, they'll tell you, and if the company gives them the wrong contact information they'll go to prison (or at least face severe fines and possible loss of corporate charter). Second, you would indeed have grounds for a lawsuit if all of those pieces of junk mail arrived at your box postage due and you weren't allowed to turn them away.
Virg
Perhaps you could pass the information along to someone you work for.
-- Nobody should take away Microsoft's freedom to innovate, particularly since they haven't used it yet
I noticed this on Etracks' page:
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Response rates:
E-messaging 5%-15%
Traditional direct 0.5%-5.0%
Source: Jupiter Communications
Anybody know how accurate this is? I always though spam was less effective than junk mail . .
Get mine.
Careful with that axe, Eugene.
Thanks for your input, Shylock!
LOL..like any of these bozo's ever reads their own email ?? The got some staffer to delete things as they come in.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
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shouldnt we post our emails so we get spam and thus get to sue as well?
Regarding "I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header."
Who would want an organ from a spammer in them? I'd sooner trust an organ from a pig, at least it's a mammal.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
Then ask them which case they speak of in their Feb 02 internet newletter. The case where you do not have to establish damages for a claim of tresspass to chattel.
Fight Spammers!
If my ISP had a service that would simply drop all mail except that from a white list I provide, that would be worth an extra buck or two a month to me. This would take some database lookups to see whether to forward or drop, but push those lists out as far to the edge as possible and nothing else inside has to deal with it.
I've never configured a mail system, so I'll admit I don't know how much processing power this would save them, but the storage would drop dramatically.
Give me a good interface to manage my white list, give me a daily/weekly/monthly list of all return addresses that have tried to send to me (so I can add new ones to my list) and I'm a happy camper.
Nope, no sig
Maybe the mofos at MoFo can answer this. Can a class action suit be against another class? I'm thinking of starting a class action against the class of people who continue to support and extend M$FT's monopoly. Anyone who implements anything supporting .NET, which is M$FT's latest attempt at World Domination, should be subject to being sued.
Well arent we on our high horse. ITS NOT THE LAW FIRMS FAULT THEY SWITCHED FROM LINUX - Blame the IT Director, im sure the switch from linux has no bearing on the cluelessnes or lack thereof of the LAWYERS, Some people JUST LIKE WINDOWS BETTER. Dont attach your OS prejudices to this righteous cause :P
You should read the YRO section more often, there's some good stuff there, like this
-Henry
"Useless organic meatbag" -HK-47
Hey! Stop posting on slashdot and get back to work, like the rest of us! Uh, oh, wait....
(mr edrugtrader is my employee :)
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
Usually when I'm asked for some verification email address I use postmaster@site.com or webmaster@site.com. So, to help out the friendly webmaster at eTracks: postmaster@etracks.com webmaster@etracks.com
Have fun: Join D.N.A. (National Dyslexics Association)
A previous slash dot story reported how this candidate for a california state position sent a bunch of spam to canadians,,becuase someone thought that the .ca their emails ended on stood for california.
Each class of mail service must be self sufficient.
Fight Spammers!
They are cool, not clueless. Vince Flanders of webpagesthatsuck.com related how he (or an acquaintance) emailed them, in essence,
"Um, Mr. Morrison & Foerster, are you aware your URL, mofo.com, is, well, kindof obscene?"
Their PR person replied, basically, "Yes, we're aware of that. We're cultivating an image of a firm you don't want to mess with."
Given that, I will heed their advice and not mess with them. :)
Fight for your right to read books!
-J
heh heh huh huh mmmm he h ehhe heh
I was thinking that for every e-mail address in a spammers distribution list, they should loose one cubic millimeter of an arbitrary organ, skin being the first to work with. If there is an insufficient supply, then the excess should be extracted from relatives, significant others, etc. Then again, maybe I just don't like spammers...
You never know...
I'm not known for my sympathy toward "email marketers." I think we are all fairly familiar with the irritation that these few individuals can cause so I won't go into a rant about why I'm not sympathetic.
Washington State also has anti-spamming laws that have stood up in Washington State Supreme Court. The way the laws are written, however, seems to punish people who are deceptive and use mass email. It requires that the subject line be deceptive and/or the return address be fake.
So, if Mr. Smith wants to email 10,000 Washington residents to try to sell them swamp land in Florida that's OK as long as he says so in the header and he gives a valid return email address. He doesn't have to ever check that email address for complaints but it has got to be valid. I don't think the law even requires him to remove people from his mailing list but I could be wrong about that.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Its a shame that there isn't a federal law or NATO
law reguarding spam email like California's.
I was listening to A C|Net radio show on how to prevent spamming. The covered all the basics.
Use a web-based email address when you need to give one when signing up for a service, only give out you isp email to those you fully trust,etc.
But one thing cought my attention, and that was the issue with alot of spammer's opt-out links enclosed in their emails. Reputable companies like Sears, etc (big name Co's) will remove you from their email list. They don't want to piss people off, they're just trying to make business, and this i can understand. But the majority of spammers opt-out links are either broken or don't work.
The ones that do forward you to a website where you can opt-out, alot of times continue spamming you anyway, and not only that, but when you do get the chance to opt-out the spammers see this and mark you as an active target, meaning that your opt-out is proof that you got the spam, and therefore resell your email address at a premium over non-responding email address. Which creates *MORE* spam to your inbox.
Now I know why every time i opt-out i get more spam instead of less.
I didn't find that surprising, but it was interesting.
A penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off.
A Penny for my thoughts? Here's my two cents. I got ripped off!
they've been involved in a number of greate pro-bono cases
Thinkgeek fucking sucks.
/world?? HOW FUCKING LAME
Their prices are outrageous.....I mean look at this! WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! WHO THE HELL WOULD PAY $35 (plus s/h) FOR IT?!
Also, their t-shirts are lame!!
chmod -R linux:users
Who the hell wants to wear a t-shirt that says "LAN PARTY" on it?!
Or "bow before me, for I am root." WHO THE HELL THINKS THAT IS FUNNY????
Why the fuck would I want to buy a plain black t-shirt for 15 fucking bucks (plus s/h) that says "127.0.0.1" on it??? Just fucking to to walmart and buy a plain fucking black t-shirt!!
In conclusion, ThinkGeek is for "31337 k1dd135" and other idiots.
Take a look at this firm of mostly female lawyers: bitches from hell.
I thought this was a lot cooler when I read about it the first time. Yesterday. On Slashdot.
I just sent those guys at MoFo an email saying thanks, and win one for the good guys, etc. I think it would be cool to show them how much support they will get for doing this sort of litigation. Perhaps it will persuade them (or other law firms) to go after lots of other spammers. I never thought I'd be so openly rooting for a law firm to win a case. But spam is THAT evil.
Anyway, contact them at info@mofo.com
My wife recieved an ugly bit of unsolicited email yesterday, our son was sitting with her when she came across it. It was an advertising for a sex site and amidst the text were various pictures including a lady having sex with a dog. Our son had alot of questions when he saw that, questions that i wasnt ready to answer to a 5 year old boy. I checked the properties of the email address, it was sent by jwlhSAM@mail.com. The ip adress was traced (love whois) to a isp in Seol Korea. I sent emails to the address's listed by the ip adress (the senders adress turned out to be fake, SUPRISE!) letting them know my intentions if i didnt stop recieving beastiality pics in my wifes email. Ive given my wife many warnings about using her real email address on the net on ANY website EVER and yet she still is the trusting fool. What the hell do i have to do to keep my son from being shown ladies fucking dogs on the computer? Obviously limiting his web access wasnt enough as we are being sent this crap directly unsolicited. Are there no laws against being sent things like this? Do i get a free ticket to korea to kick the shit outa the guy who did this? Every time this happens free speech starts to lose alot of ground folks. Im a father, im pissed, ill tackle any god damn flame you throw my way over this, and if anybody can find out where the bastard is who did this i will GLADY take this up with him/them directly.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. -Fight Club
If ever anyone deserved a "-1 Flamebait"...
Say it ain't so! You mean the guy from the IRS was not here to help me?
Try looking at TMDA... I'm running it on my mail server and I am down from 10 spams a day to one a month. That one is through a mailing list that I would rather not unsubscribe from.
Basically it adds a whitelist of people that you will accept mail from, a blacklist that you will reject mail from, and will allow people to automatically add themselves to your whitelist.
You can also have time limited addresses, keyword addresses that you can revoke, and so on...
It is working for me, if it's not working for you, why not. :-)
Z.
-- Under/Overrated is meta-moderation, and therefore is Redundant.
Especially after your friendly neighborhood hacker has used Code Red to plant a back door and relieve you of administration of your server... But seriously... Linux is cheaper, and in my experience more stable. If you have same independent data to back you TCO claim, post a reference, otherwise please stop trolling...
NT :)
I wonder if I can get a mofo.com email address with them.
God spoke to me
Opposite what?
Edith Keeler Must Die
I think spammers should be forced to pay by donating an organ for each forged header.
I'm not sure I'd ask anything from a spammer, short of their immediate death.
TO: Jace of Fuse!
FROM: Body Organs Galore
Hello! I am e-mailing you about this great opprotunity to get ahold of a high quality kidney! Let me tell you the story! Once not too long ago, a college boy woke up in a bath tub full of ice...
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
This lawsuit made it onto NPR tonight... I was rather amused by one spam executive saying the mail was not "unsolicited" because many users give their names to mailing lists when registering for products... "without knowing it" (exact quote... forgive the lack of attribution, but I'm sure someone can dig up an NPR transcript for around 6:45 PM EST on 15 March 2002).
My question then is this: how is the mail not unsolicited if the user doesn't know he's soliciting?
Plato's Socrates might argue, of course, following the Meno, that the user's psyche solicited e-mail advertisements before birth and merely forgot about his solicitation upon entering the world. Perhaps he would demonstrate this by having an uneducated slave register software and sign up to be notified of special offers that might be of interest to him... but then the Athenians forced Socrates to drink hemlock precisely because they didn't want to put up with that kind of nonsense.
Make spammers pay by being forced to donate $5 per email to each of the following:
:)
Electronic Freedom Foundation
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email
Free Software Foundation
DigitalConsumer.org
Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)
Privacy International
We'll have enough lobbying power to stomp the NSA, telemarketers, spammers, AND the RIAA
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
Perhaps each email company should charge their new users for each email they receive plus a certain amount per kilobyte. This will discourage the new users from giving out their email addresses so quickly, and also to learn to cut out what isn't necessary.
Once they learn to quote properly, and prove that they can be responsible with email addresses, then the companies can give them a better rate.
I personally would also recommend that new user start out with a new user name such as myname_newuser@myserver.com Once they prove themselves by not posting their email addresses unecessarily, then they can get myname@myserver.com
The companies have an incentive to do this now, just as they have an incentive to use a firewall--for defensive measures.
testing out my trending skills
Try the anagram: "Morrison & Foerster LLP" == PORN AD TROLLER IN FOR MESS
Shut your mouth!
They should get into the automobile industry...
Mofo cars.
*drum roll*
Can sue you for being a dickhead ?
Stop pushing your crap ideas about software on the rest of the world - linux sucks.
But i agree its ready for the desktop... i have a redhat cd stopping my desk from wobbling - fits perfectly under the shorter leg.
Linux 1970's technology with 1960's politics.
I really like the idea of launching class action law suits against spammers...that way every time I receive a spam, it will be followed immediately by emails from lawyers asking if I want to sue the person who spammed me.
It's like trying to fit a round cat through a square hole
Yeah, I bet they're just dying to get their inbox filled with random emails...
From reading the press release, it sounds like the headline on this story is wrong. MoFo is suing on their own behalf. The press release does not say that this is a class action lawsuit.
It's a shame though. If it were a class action lawsuit, I'd love to get a share of the take. Assuming they win, of course.
-Cube
My company once was contacted by a potential clients about one of our products.
I nearly sprayed my drink all over my business partner when he told me what their domain name used to be.
Well, not safe from spam, but you can get revenge. It's against the law in WA state to receive email that is unwarranted and contains a forged header. A *lot* of these spam places forge headers... I know I get about 30+ a day from Taiwan, which seems to hate me for some reason. In any case, if you register your email address (a search for spam and register should pull it up from a WA state page), then you are eligable to sue for up to $250 *per email* that you receive. I haven't done it yet, but my friend has and has made some money on it. The biggest problem with some of them is that the situation is "Yeah, this is a forged header, but where is the real originator?" Some of them are pretty good at hiding it. I figure even if for every 20 emails I got, if I got $250 for one of em, I'd be happy. ;)
"PC Load Letter? What the $@#% does that mean?!"
+1 funny
Here is some stuff that will hopefully keep the lameness filter happy
Of course, if the spammers were required to donate organs, they'd simply start spamming about great organ sales opportunities...
"Need spare cash? Sell us half your liver! We'll buy any working, healthy organ!"
Followed up by:
"Need an organ? Try our Cheap Plastic Replacements(tm)!"
- Chris Jacobson
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Holy fuck! You're onto a great idea there.
And how about when spammers lie, and say "this email was not sent unsolicited, you opted-in". I know for a fact that I never opted in to any of the spam places that send me this stuff.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Your laziness has resulted in the curtailing of free speech in this country (up until now it had been a constitutional right.)
If that's you, spamford, go fuck yourself.
Spamming is NOT, and NEVER WAS, a freedom-of-speech issue, it's a PROPERTY RIGHTS issue.
Saying what you want to say is a right. Using anyone else's property to publish or broadcast it is a PRIVILEGE. Learn the difference, god damn it.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Well, for the ones that say that spammers has never hurt anyone, I can only say that they haven't tried to have their own email adr as the sender of some spam mail. If the undeliverable error mails doesn't kill you, the 1000s of mad people thinking that you sent it will sure get to you.
Looks too close to the work Mafia.
I wonder how Spammer^H^H^H^H^H Governor-hopeful Bill Simon feels about this?
I wonder if we could bring class action against his campaign?
Sometimes I need to buy an IT service quick for a client and I want to spam say 1,000 people with XYZ skillset who I think are most likely looking for jobs.
Is this ethical?
I got their resumes from job sites in the area of expertise.
Or I want to buy something from a certain type of service company, I get a list of 1,000 such compnaies off the net, and I request a bid.
Also, I run a website where people can post infor on other people. I think the target has the right to know about this. May I email the subect/target once to give him a heads up?
These are current questions I face.
Thanks for your advice.
Is this ethical or not?
Good thing finally about spam. I suspect half of the spam I get is sent by spammers residing in the U.S.A, so any steps to make spammers pay is good.
What is bad about spam is that it is getting worse every month, but what is good about spam is that it is so bad already that even lawmakers and law enforcement officials are getting hopping mad and maybe we finally get rid of spammers.
Well, etracks IS stupid as hell. They continue to try and spam me even though I reject all connections from them with a "550 Fuck off and die" SMTP error. You would THINK that they would understand that I don't want email from them...
I will try to edify even in response to a flagrant troll: Yes, one may certify a class action against many defendants. It doesn't happen often. Usually, it is the plaintiffs who band together to take advantage of the class form so as to make the litigation of many, small claims worth the while of attorneys. A defendant class is most often certified in the context of fraudulent conveyance lawsuits, for example, when a person unlawfully sells shares in a company to many people, and the rightful owner needs to sue all of the purchasers to try to get the shares back. (I'm not opining on the likely success of such a suit.)
- Todd Lorenz, Vice President of Research and Development
- Paul Forsyth, Vice President of Finance and Operations
I did my best to find people that probably the right guys. I could be wrong. Don't get too crazy. If you want, you can track down more of these dudes here.2172 CARLMONT DR BELMONT CA
(650) 620-0059
107 OAK RIM CT LOS GATOS CA
(408) 356-5086
(If the name doesn't ring a bell, that's the crazy US national that was captured fighting alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan.)
I/O Error G-17: Aborting Installation
Getcher targets straight, man! There may be good reasons for harassing Bill Simon, and there certainly are for harassing the economically clueless non-defender of our civil liberties and precious bodily fluids Gray Davis, but the spammer we all loved to hate was Bill Jones See Slashdot Story.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Compare that to the average spamhaus or spammer page you've seen that tells how you can !Annoy! People!! Fast!!! or get !!!Bullet-Proof !!!Bulk!!!! Email!! Accounts!!! and !!!Address !!!Harvesting !Software!!!!!!!.
That doesn't mean that these guys *aren't* just spammers with college educations trying to attract a better-paying class of spammer or trying not to discourage the occasional legitimate customer, but at least on the surface they look respectable. But perhaps Mofo Knows
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
law firms offering e-mail aliasing to avoid the spammers? :) actualy the impression I got was that mofo has multiple offices in multiple countries and actual uses the internet and Email to conduct real business that actualy generate a profit, and all of the spam was interfereing with there ability to conduct real commerce. It could be that Etract's was just hitting randomly generated user names at the mofo domain. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the spammers didn't even know that mofo.com was a law firm
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dam, com taco, u must have real axes to grind or something!?
8) yeah, well i'd not be so extreme, but boy0 mang did i lose massive respect for some computer coder the day he acted like spam was no big deal, based upon it being easy to filter.
as for me my big anti pollution bitchs in order are:
light which blocks one's vision of the night skies
sound in the shape of jack a55's who run power equiptment while other try to sleep
regular postal spam the same crap every body tosses into the circular file'n cabinets
voice or recorded msg tele com spam, those who call while you try to eat
e-mail spam
all of the above are serious CRIMES in my book and any time Real Esquires who care like to keep making bank they should focus, as there are lots of judges backed by the peoples court called:
Lions and Tigers and _______________________ big unspoken word, that when called upon makes justice happen.
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When is spam no longer spam? Most people that I see complaining about spam is people that get e-mail with fack headers. But what about people who are really just using it to advertise, and do not fake the headers? Also, why is that people complain so much about getting spam in their e-mail box, when you get just about the same thing in your snail mail box every day... with e-mail spam all it is a signal click that deletes it, with snail mail it never really stops, and all the paper just takes up space in the land fills. And what about the companies that send out the spam e-mails for people, and do keep the remove list, the way that they should, but most people just get mad, and voice out against e-mail spam, but never do ask to get removed, because to many people have all ready abused the system. e-mail spam will not stop, and there are a few companies out there that do keep the remove list and such, but there are more people out there just using our e-mail more because they no that your is a person on the other end. and just about any one that can get on-line can send out all the spam that they want to. with a simple look on the net you can find tons of programs to send out 200,000+ e-mails an hour. and it will come with a 1,000,000 e-mails. I guess the thing is, it is a no win situation that we have.
If the sender's address was faked, like you said, then how can you even know the Korean ISP was responsible for anything other than having an open mail relay? Chances are it was some money grubbing spammer right here in the US that is bouncing mail off of their server. You'll never know unless the Korean ISP checks their logs (if they have any) on their mail server to see where the buttloads of SMTP connections are coming from.
I've said it before and I'll say it again....instead of going after the open relays or ever the people sending out the bulk email, go after the places that are actually advertising by these means.
Every spam has one of two things in it....a phone number or a website. These are both eaily traced back to physical locations in which the company or person running them is paying a telco or ISP for bandwidth/phone-lines. These are the people to go after...once people realize they're going to get shut down or at least fined if they advertise with spammers, then they will quit paying said spammers to solicit their services or products. Unpaid spammers will then move on to the next shady occupation and our email boxes stay free of their detritus.
It's quite an over-exaggerated analogy, but think of it as the gov't letting trigger men for organized crime off the hook in order to go after the people who are paying them. Take away the demand and there's no one to pay for the supply.
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Whether it's a legitimate case or not, I don't really care - I can't get over the Morrison & Foerster homepage. Mofo overview, mofo offices, mofo talk radio...
I wonder what the employee awards are like - Badass Mofo of the Month?
That is the way to go. Hire John Clease and company to preform the proceedures. :)
Not only is your target moving...It's picking up speed.
And lo, it's taking a U-turn and locking you in the crosshairs!
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
"I receive about 3 ads for penis enlargement a day even if I am from the opposite sex."
Probably for your Boyfriend, from when he registered for a pornsite using your email id.
Just kidding.
-Shaunak.
What? Oooohhhh! I get it - like to play music on n' stuff.
Plus, if you know who they really are, you can take out a restraining order, or notify them they can't come to your property anymore (not a lawyer, obviously, but you can legally force people not to harrass you under a lot of different laws.), and then have them arrested if they continue to do so after being served. And having them arrested is a lot more fun them having them fined.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Let us know his name and address. Is he really your friend if he's doing that crap?
Let us know the client companies name and address.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin