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Matt Groening on Futurama, Simpsons and Fox
dipfan writes "Simpsons and Futurama creator Matt Groening, in an interview with the FT, says that the Fox network didn't understand or support Futurama. Groening says: "They haven't really supported it. I think it's a worthy companion to The Simpsons and we're really proud of it. But Fox gave it a bad slot and zero promotion for the last three years." He also accuses the channel of meddling with the show, making complaints that the characters were "too mean". He's hoping to change Fox's mind, and endorses the online petition to try and save the show. The good news is that he's got other ideas for new shows if Futurama really does get canned, and talks about new Simpsons plots involving Enron, and Krusty The Clown running for Congress." His feelings shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who saw the first act of "Homer the Moe", but what I thought was interesting was his comments on Fox and how he's not interested in moving networks over the futurama thing.
It is in Jeffy124's journal
And as Homer would put it: DOH!
Oh man. My first glance at this headline made it look like "Matt is groaning about Futura, Simpsons, and Fox."
Lets see how many after this article has been on Slashdot for awhile.
Hopefully the new ones won't be on par with the quality of the episodes these days. Once they lost Connan, they started steadily going downhill.
Fox has a long history of utterly failing to pay attention to the worthwhileness of their shows - giving good shows the boot while bad shows - say, for instance, Greg the Bunny - get prime airtime. The Simpsons just happened to be the right combination of edgy and comfortably marketable to get and keep a prime spot for so long - and any show that doesn't live up to those standards seems to be summarilly dropped, despite the fact that the bar is unreasonably high...
This flies in the face of science.
I knew fox was bad... but this?
that's not chrisd, that's michael. get yer facts straight!
"DOH!"
-- We live in a world where lemonade is artificial and soap has real lemon.
I've never really been as impressed with Futurama as I have the Simpsons. Futurama just doesn't resonate with me, for some reason. Still, after all these years, I manage to tune into the Simpsons every Sunday night. It's the ONLY TV show I watch (I don't have cable).
Bob
Futerama would be good if it had better characters, better animation, better plots, better jokes, better acting, and better flow.
But then again....... so would Pokémon.
Change it all to something cool like a King's Basketball game.
Fuck, that's the reason I gave up on the Simpsons years ago, and love Futurama!
Hey, FOX, why don't you bite my shiny metal ass? I'm an adult. Now that Bugs Bunny's been censored to hell, I'm left craving cartoons I can enjoy as an adult. If there's a demographic that leaves room in the lineup for Greg The Bunny (who's funny, but is hardly broadly-based social satire), there's gotta be room for Bender and the baby in "Family Guy".
Fox has had some gold in the past that they gambled on and won, and gambled on and lost. Greg the Bunny is boring, Family Guy is great. Although I did not like them, 90210 and Melrose Place were gold for the network. X-files will be generated only syndication funds, nothing substantial.
There has got to be something that I missed, I do not understand how they could cancel shows like Futurama and Family Guy.
What are your thoughts?
Hey hey! I heartily endorse this candidate and/or proposal.
To paraphrase Krusty: Do we really want to live in a world without the Simpsons? I think the living would envy the dead!
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
So does /. have a script to pull articles straight off of cnn.com or what?
The FT.com article is wonderfully awkward to read with the Mozilla RC. Ah, well...
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I love Futurama but I still think that a good Simpsons ep can beat a good Futurama EP.
I must say that the recent "Weekend at Burnsie's" where Homer where high most of the time or "Blame it on Lisa(rio ep)", shows that The Simpsons still can cut it.
But of course nothing beats time before the got a heavy dose of the PC junk, that sure did ruinda season or two. And I'd like to see Conan O'Brien back on the team, but I guess that is very unlikely.
Still Futurama are a fresh breath of air and I must say that I enjoyed the latest ep of Futurama on Star Trek. Had a lot of what we like, references to things outside the show that is only funny for thow "who knows".
I think that one of the great things about The Simsons have always been that there was a lot of "inside" jokes/references that added a lot of value for hardcore fans and still providing entertainent for those not "in the loop". It has always shown itself when looking at many people watching the show together, some would crack up while other just didn't get it and there was still plenty of laughs for all to share.
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I wouldn't mind The Simpsons ending its run at this point. Better that than risk something awful happening, like one of the voice actors quitting or getting canned or Fox insisting on some egregious change.
Anyway, there are so many episodes in syndication that I can watch reruns for weeks without getting bored.
What WOULD be tragic: Groening not having a shot at another show. Surprise us, Matt!
Stefan
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As some of you are aware, when J. Michael Straczynski attempted to make a sequel to his popular Babylon 5 series, the network in charge (TNT) tried to control the creative direction of his show, Crusade. After only 13 episodes, Straczynski walked away saying that he either does Crusade his way or not at all. TNT had refused to relinquish creative control to the creator. Apparently, a similar showdown occurred between Simpsons creator Matt Groening and the FOX network while developing the Futurama series.
Groening said in a Playboy interview: "The current atmosphere in television is one of anxiety and fear. And Fox has been worried that Futurama isn't like the Simpsons. And I've said, 'No, it's exactly like the Simpsons: It's new and original.' But that hasn't calmed them down. Also, Fox expected to have our show under its thumb and was quite surprised when I adamantly insisted that we put this show together exactly as we do The Simpsons, with complete autonomy. So that's why you haven't heard anything positive about Futurama from Fox during the past year."
So, where TNT failed to compromise and save Crusade, the FOX network acquiesed to the creator and now has had a successful show in Futurama.
I'm amazed Futurama has lasted as long as it has considering that it's not only in the 7 pm Sunday death slot, but that it's preempted continuously during the football season. Add to that the fact that this past season didn't start with regular new episodes until January, and you've got a recipe for lost viewers.
Greg the bunny is funny.
And the recent episodes of the X-Files are deeply conspiracy-laden, heart-wrenching and mind-busting masterpieces.
Personal preferences aside - Fox has had a history of poor choices where the schedule and programming of their stations is concerned.
On another subject, quoth the interview:
But Groening is also pragmatic about the show's shelf-life. "Because animation is such an intensely painstaking process, it wears people out, and audiences are always looking for surprises. When any character is as stupid as Homer Simpson, it's hard to keep surprising the audience."
Groening has a remarkably mature and insightful view of his own mortality and the limits of a particular genre. While the Simpsons make an excelent foil for poking fun at any cultural situation, economic event, or global personality (and as such, has a much much longer life expectancy than, say, Garfield (no offense to Garfield), who has said just about all there is to say on the subjects of laziness, gluttony, and hatred of dumb-but-cute), at some point, almost certainly, the majority of people watching the show will say "Ho hum, Homer's dumb, headlines, Bart whines, Lisa's smart - who gives a fart? Pass the booze - I'd rather snooze." (Or something, perhaps in slightly less doggerel.) We can only hope that Groening recognizes this point and brings us to a stunning (and satisfying) conclusion before the show becomes bogged down with the dead weight of unfunny seasons.
This flies in the face of science.
It's PAIN O'CLOCK
..was also canceled cause Fox put them on in a bad timeslot and didnt promote them. And im not alone when i say that it was/is the best show EVER.
The Simpsons was basically a Punch-and-Judy show when it premiered on Tracey Ullman. It staggered through a mediocre first year, propelled mostly by Bart Simpson's "negative role model" image which was further sensationalized by the media.
Conan O Brien's writing talents mad the show somewhat more watchable, however, most episodes consist of predictable sitcom plots, poorly conceived visual jokes, and celebrity guest appearances-the modern equivalent to Scooby-Doo. And it's part of pop culture for all the same reason-it's formulaic structure and catchphrases. Yes, "D'oh!" has become the "Zoinks!" of the year 2000.
Matt, it's been a long, dull ride, and you've made a lot of money. I can't say I blame you, but I do feel sorry for the people who think the Simpsons are "clever". I wonder if they've ever read anything by Evan Dorkin or Dan Clowes.
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
I think we've got a suicide attempt here... Fox is terminating Futurama, X-files, and Ally McBeal to replace them with new shows like... Greg the Bunny?!? WTF?!?
that is NOT an interview, it IS an article sprinkled with a few quotes from Groening...
brap! brap brap!
Damn your infinite loops!
No what made it hard to read was the fact that the Brittish no nothing about the proper use of English.
I could barely read it, there were so many mispellings in the dumb thing.
And their colloquialisms are terrible, but that's a "different kettle of fish". Oh please.
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It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
must be rough having this be the high point in your day. I recommend a .45 to the brain. It will be over in a flash, we will thank-you, your mother will thank-you, in fact i'd go so far as to say the WORLD would thank-you. But the bottom line is PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE for the good of our species.
Futerama would be good if it had better characters, better animation, better plots, better jokes, better acting, and better flow.
Compared to what?
The animation on Futurama is on-par, if not slightly better than the Simpsons (which is one of the best animated cartoons out there). If you don't like it, I'm guessing it is for purely asthetic reasons. Personally, I don't like how panning and rotation look, since computers give them a smoothness that just seems jarringly out of place to me - but then again, that's just me. The choice of colors is different as well. Where The Simpsons has a more cartoony look - the colors are brighter and have more contrast, Futurama tends to stray away from bright and primary colors, going for a paler and more blended palette.
The characters, plots, flow, and jokes in Futurama are very different than in The Simpsons. This has everything to do with the universe it is set in being based solely in Science Fiction rather than the mostly realistic universe that The Simpsons has built up over the years. Although most of the "rules" of both the shows are similar, you can easily get away with things in one that you couldn't in the other. Different sets of rules need different characters. Bender wouldn't fit in with The Simpsons just as much as Lisa wouldn't fit in with Futurama.
That being said, I prefer The Simpsons in its prime (although the Homer/Hulk episode this week was pretty good) to Futurama at its best. Why? Futurama's structure is so open that nearly anything can be done plot-wise. The Simpsons was based somewhat in reality, which gave the writing team a bit of focus. When absolutely anything can happen, it isn't as special when it does.
That online petitions don't work.
This came out of a report from an anime convention last week. The studio reps said that they would pay attention to petitions for new series, but not online petitions. I suspect that Fox would pay even less attention.
I don't think there's been a single example of an online petition having an effect. Please provide examples if I'm mistaken.
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The Simpsons is dying. BSD don't have shit to do with this thread.
The show was pretty good, but doesn't have anything close to the charm and appeal of The Simpsons. Which isn't to say it couldn't have succeeded. It had the worst timeslot available. 6:00 PM CST, that's not even primetime yet. Even worse, there's that useless cartoon between it and the Simpsons (King of the Hill, which is atrocious). Hell, they should've scrapped X-Files like three or four years ago and moved it back an hour, and kill King of the Hill of course.
I wont even notice. Usually I am busy when the new shows get aired. I watch the Simpsons 3 or 4 times a week but it is all syndication.
That's part of what makes it so awesome. Each time I watch an episode again it cracks me up as much as the first time. Plus I notice little things I missed the first time around.
I figure all the new episodes I've missed give me a buffer of at least a few years. And you know that the Simpsons are going to be on for a very long time on some channel.
Sort of like that 8 minutes of light we get after the sun goes out one day.
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It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
Almost as much as the 70's show. That's sucks more. Yup, major suckage.
No what made it hard to read was the fact that the Brittish no nothing about the proper use of English.
Oh, Stoolie, you so crazy.
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I have no inside knowledge of FOX or other broadcasting companies, but if they function the same way that other companies that I have worked at do, then I know exactly why you see the really fantsatic shows being canned in thier prime: new blood. Every time managment changes or restructures, there is some subconcious need from the newbies to change things around, if for no other reason than to justify thier existance. The usual route is to attack what was successful before, tear it down, and bring out the solid gold shnazzy New Thing(tm) that will wow everyone. Maybe it works one time out of a hundred, but that doesn't stop people from trying to be the lucky golden boy.
This is just a guess, but I'll put a tenner down that the reason why Futurama never really got the support that it should have, and why it's being dropped now, is becuase maybe a week after the pilot, the heads of that department in FOX got restructured and the pastic wrap came off a whole new lineup of fresh-faced marketing and programming execs. They couldn't drop the Simpsons (it just has TOO MUCH momentum), so they decided to carve up everything else they could touch and fill the void with the neeto ideas they had during thier training in the frat house.
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Yahoo News carries an interview with Groening. My favorite quote it "Although what happens generally if we win the Emmy for best animation show is that that gives us another couple of years to run it into the ground," he said.
I dooo feel sorry for the people who think the Simpsons are "clever" (use finger quotes).
"If I am such a genius, how come that I am drunk and lost in the desert with a bullet in my ass?" --Otto (Malcom ITM)
There was a Dilbert cartoon on UPN that really wasn't bad. Unfortunately, being UPN and being on at an unusual time (well for me anyway...) made me miss alot of it. So I really didn't notice that it had disappeared. One night, I was inspired to check Kazaa for Dilbert and grabbed a few eps. That show was actually pretty good!
... well damn, if Fox had bought Dilbert from UPN, that would have worked out really well:
I think what killed that show was not so much time slot, but rather FOX has a virtual monopoly on prime-time animated shows. Sunday nights are when I watch like a string of cartoons. And
7:00 PM: King of the Hill
7:30 PM: Family Guy
8:00 PM: Simpsons
8:30 PM: Futurama
9:00 PM: Dilbert
9:30 PM: X-Files
Tell me that wouldn't have been a cool night lineup.
"Derp de derp."
I don't know how most original Simpsons fans feel, but I pretty much stopped paying attention to the show after the first horrendous post-Groening season aired. Fans' opinions aside, I was wondering if Matt Groening has publicly commented on the "new Simpsons". Though I'm sure that the current incarnation of the show makes him want to puke blood, I have yet to come across any interviews that feature him denouncing the new episodes.
Funny you should mention this. A LOT of otherwise knowledgable people I know completely missed it too - on the recent "clipshow" (Homer Gump or some such title), watch towards the end credits where they start making jokes about future Simpsons episodes.
They quickly show a picture of Homer waterskiing - and he happens to be taking a jump, right overtop a shark.
I think milk came out of my nose when I saw that.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
FOX Broadcasting has a nasty habit of cancelling good shows and keeping bad shows. One such show was the Critic, from where it lept from FOX to ABC. Due to that leap, the show only lasted two seasons (One on FOX, one on ABC).
Now FOX is treading on both Family Guy and Futurama...
Tis a shame...
If FOX takes Futurama away from us or (as recently) simply decides to pre-empt or randomly move it then do yourself and your sense of humor a favor and stay up later (usually about 11:15) to watch Sealab 2021 on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block.
It's Sci-Fi (Robots, Time Travel, Black Debbie), it's got great characters (Stormy, Hesh, Chubby Cox), and some of the best comedy writing and voice talent (Erik Estrada!) on tv EVER.
^nA! Creatures in my Head
Bite my shiny metal ass.
For those interested, I highly recommend taking a look at the L.I.S.A.. It's a great, huge list of anything you've ever wondered about the Simpsons, and just what the hell happened in the last few years.
Seems to me that the Simpsons has reached the point of being a minor religion...
As folks will quote scripture, so folks will quote the Simpsons.
It's on Sunday, and plans are made around it. Those that watch think those that don't are wierd.
You can also attend throughout the week, but the sermons seem a bit canned and dated.
The characters consistently show reality through a fun-house mirror and have representation from most ethnic groups/stereotypes.
Why not? I'm sure someone somewhere hates the Simpsons with passion enough to start a small war, and that's all the qualification I need.
-JPJ
Feh.
The devil you know is frequently better than the devil you don't.
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
Greg the Bunny is fscking brilliant. It's almost good enough to make me forget about FOX cancelling The Family Guy. A better example of a bad show would be Temptation Island or That 80s Show. People who watch either should be fed to the pigs. People who watch Survivor or Friends should be fed to the pigs while being kept alive on ventilators and blood pumps.
The Simpsons is tired. It's time to let her out to pasture and let her live on in DVD stasis.
Malcom should be in there somewhere...maybe towards the end.
That is a really strange complaint comming from TV executives.
My favourite sitcom "News Radio" was always in trouble and was cancelled because the characters were too mean to each other.
And now my favourite animation show (yes i think the current futurama shows are a bit better than the current simpsons shows) is getting cancelled because the characters are too mean.
Thats really bizarre. First of all the characters werent really mean in either one of those show (ok maybe except bender but even he was showed goodness of heart in the godfellas episode).
Second of all it makes you wonder do TV stations consider it their duty to build up the morals of their audience trough tv shows? And if so why is that coming from FOX that brought us numerous car chase shows, police reality shows, accident and disasters where people die shows, one (or two was it?) numerous women begging to be married to some millionare schnuck shows, and lets not forget the trivia show where the host is famous for insulting the contestants.
I appreciate being modded up but I'm at the cap and just made some other posts that will very likely get modded down. So this doesn't do me a lot of good in my quest for 50 points for 50 days.
If youd've waited until after the others got modded down this would have really come in handy.
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It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
I thought part of the point of reading /. was to be ahead of pop culture in items of geek interest. But the past few days, it seems like every article is just a link to a CNN or NYTimes or Wired article.
I love it when slashdot points out gems in smaller media that I might have missed, but just linking to CNN articles that are about FT articles doesn't really count as ahead of the times in my book.
Why not add another slashbox with "In other news...", and when people submit links to major media news stories, stick 'em in there?
Cheers
-b
Thanks again. ;)
Yes, it's probably true that online petitions aren't worth the server space their stored on which is why Futurama fans might want to consider writing a good old USPS letter. Rumor has it that big-wig studio execs are greatly swayed by your willingness to waste paper, time, and tax dollars. Here's their addresses at the Fox network:
Ms. Gail Berman
President
Building 100 Room 4450
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035
United States of America
Mr. Sandy Grushow
Chairman
Building 100 Room 5110
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035
United States of America
I don't want to give you a script but you might want to focus on Futurama's poor and frequently changing time slot and it's abundance of critical praise.
Telling a studio exec to bite any part of your anatomy (shiny or otherwise) is generally a bad idea.
I think the simpsons "jumped the shark" in the episode in which Homer joined a traveling freak show in season 7. The show simply hit the wall with homer being the big fat guy getting shot with the cannon, and sonic youth delivering the theme song at the end. It wasn't the funniest ever, but they definately "jumped the shark". The beginning of the end was acutally "lisa the vegetarian" at the beggining of season 7, and by season 8, you've got "the nanny episode", "bart is gay" and "poochie".
I've been wondering what they are going to do with the war on terror and a lot of other post 911 stuff.
I thought that all the episodes this season were made before 911, but they had "Bin Laden in a blender" last Sunday, so what's the deal? Was that spliced in later?
On one hand, there is a lot of way to spin humor on some of this stuff, but on the other hand it's hard to do it without addressing "important social issues" or having a "very special episode", which was what used to signal the end of a sitcom before everyone started to say "jumping the shark".
Let's see:
They fly someplace. Lisa gets wanded and taken into a special room. Bart's slingshot gets ignored. Homer beeps in the detector, but nobody wants to touch him. Marge is asked to stick her hair in the X-ray machine, and it comes all the way out the other side. Maggie has a gun in her diaper, but nobody notices. This stuff practicly writes itself.
Or how about... Bart decides to become a Moslem. Do all the Lisa Budist stuff--Bart style. Hurl pork chops out the window, etc. End Moslem conversion when Bart finds out he has to get circumcised.
Then again... maybe having the Simpsons come to an end without ever riffing on that stuff would be better. It would fix the Simpsons permanently as part of the "pre-911" world, allowing us to watch it in sindicated re-runs knowing that stuff would never intrude, save for that one little reference to Bin Laden.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
You are so right! And I thought that was just a character from the show. But now that I realize he is a real person, well where else would you expect to find him hanging out?
Very funny by the way.
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It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
Remember what Roswell did? Bottles of tabasco sauce sent to the producers or something? Mailbomb them with lots of alcohol (Bender likes to drink) and maybe they'll notice and not cancel Futurama. They'll definitely notice it more than some stupid online petition.
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The one that that I find most upsetting about the whole Futurama/Simpsons rivalry is that Simpsons seems to be treated as FOX's little darling and Futurama is the bastard child they want to pretend they never had.
Case in point? The Simpsons Archive (snpp.com) perhaps the single greatest authoritative Simpsons information source. Mostly culled I'm sure from countless USENET postings but the information contained there is priceless to the average Simpsons fan. Someone at work will utter a butchered version of some famous quote and in seconds we will have the exact wording, the episode it came from and (with a little step 2 magic) soon be watching the hilarious moment.
But is there such a resource for Futurama? Well there was...The Futurama Cronicles (frcr.com). Had much of the same kind of information, with upcoming episode dirt and all sorts of little factoids. I can't read the alien language, but those guys had it pretty much deciphered. I always wonder what the little clips during the intro came from and they always seemed to know.
But what was it, two years ago? the site got the Cease & Desist kiss of death. How can a site like snpp.com flourish and frcr.com disappear when both are basically cataloging and organizing USENET content? And what happened to the other Futurama sites like FuturamaOutlet and so on?
Honestly, it's like FOX is trying to deny Futurama even exists. The FOX website for the show is a flash-laden piece of crap that hasn't been updated since the show premiered (same with the Family Guy show site).
Bleah. Matt Groening must has some change in his pocket. He knows about the massive following his shows have on the Internet (he has been asked about ANiVCD and the whole VCD scene at every convention he's ever attended). In this post dot-com world, I think his projects would be the only ones that have a chance at working over the Internet. Produce the show straight to video and offer streaming downloads over the Internet. Hell, I see channel after channel on IRC doing exactly that.
So he's not interested in leaving FOX. Fine. But for god's sake...don't cast pearls before swine. How many musicians say that given the choice between languishing in a corporate vault and being enjoyed and shared by fans they would much rather give their work to the fans? Why can't Matt be the same way?
- JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
Well, right after the story got posted on Slashdot, the number of signatures was 113435.
Right now it is up to 114215.
That is 780 new signatures in about 1 hour.
Just thought I'd let you people know.
i cant belive this is flamebait. Surely this would be considered a troll post if I have ever seen one.
yes "fuck you"
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
I don't think the current heads at Fox want angry characters or self-referential satire. For some reason television has climbed that hump and has moved back to Spelling-like plain-jane sitcoms.
The mid to late nineties TV landscape was covered with amusing shows that took pot-shots at everything, including themselves and especially the sitcom formula. Mr. Show, Upright Citizens, Simpsons, Family Guy, The Daily Show, etc were groundbreaking shows. They didn't take anything as above-criticism and developed an intelligent edge through insightful comedy.
Now look at the popular comedies on Fox. Bernie Mac, King of the Hill, Malcolm in the Middle, etc. They're more based in the Love Boat tradition of wacky sitcom than in the Simpsons tradition of satire and irony. This is what people want. The Neilsons have spoken and Fox isn't listening to the raves, but only to the complaints about shows being too brainy, mean, or smartassed.
Cable seems to be picking up the slack with shows like the Man Show, Sealab 2021, etc. Hopefully the Simpsons spirit will live on in the minds of writers willing to take a small risk.
I understand your point, but I respectfully disagree about it's humor. I appreciated South Park's take on the War on Terror, but I really think the joy of it came from the episode's focus on showing the US kick Bin Laden's ass.
I don't see the Simpsons being able to lift my spirits that way. Jokes about airport screenings may be funny, but when you put them in the terrorism context, it loses it's humor.
Bin Laden in a blender is a spoof of stuff we've already seen on the net. It's the lighter side of what happened. But to tackle the attacks directly without turning it into a drama... well I'd be very impressed if they pulled it off. As I said, South Park did, but I'm not sure Simpsons is quite up to it.
*would love to see Groenig prove him wrong.*
"Derp de derp."
First, let me agree with you: (as you seem to imply) Dan *is* the man, no question.
Now, let me ask how many episodes you've seen. Honestly, there's no shame in shunning TV.
Though the overall quality of "The Simpsons" waxes and wanes faster than a Jupiterian moon, some episodes are beyond reproach. Several of the Halloween specials must rate amongst the greatest of all cartoons; most near every comedic form--high and low--finds home there. Finally, I ask you, is the spoof on Howard Hughes not clever? Call me crazy, but I find the scene in which hallucinations of political germs chant "Freemasons rule the word" as cunning as they come.
The type of condescension your post displays, though always bad form, is often acceptable in light of our culture's sorry state. Yet when the conclusion drawn is mistaken, this kind of elitism is regrettable. After all, what can it spawn but more condescension?
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With a thousand thankyous, Anon Coward
Huh! FOX turned into a hardcore sex channel so gradually I didn't even notice.
One of the reasons that the early Simpsons episodes were so funny, and continue to remain funny, is that they were not topical, but universal. There were episodes about Bart and Lisa in school, Homer's troubles with his job, strains in Homer's and Marge's marriage--all standard if not hackneyed sitcom plots, you may say, but stories of general appeal, that are still funny more than a decade later. And that's true of nearly _all_ of the classic comedy that's still funny even fifty years later. Watch I Love Lucy or listen to the Jack Benny program and you're not likely to hear any joke or gag about some 40's or 50's political or social event. Both shows _do_ make use of cameos, and those "date" the show to an extent, especially when the star or bigwig has since become rather obscure (hands up everyone who's heard of Dore Schary or Ronald Colman!) But those classic shows, and classic Simpsons, because they avoid topical humor, have aged remarkably well.
Groening's talk of making an Enron episode reminds me of how low the Simpsons have sunk. Who, five years from now, is going to remember Enron? Hell, who cares _now_ about Enron? But the Simpsons went down that primrose way a long time ago, ever since they started cracking jokes about the Internet, and making episodes featuring George Bush and Bill Clinton (I'm reminded that the Simpsons' funniest political episode, the one where Lisa goes to Washington, makes hardly any specific reference to the politics of the day), and running cameos from every two-bit celebrity or band who had their fifteen minutes, from Mark McGwire to N-Sync.
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Err, we've drifted off topic a bit, but I felt the need to reply. (Note: I did turn off the +1 bonus, people have requested that of me in the past.)
The episode had a hilarious (yet disturbing, heh) parody of Bugs Bunny cartoons that niether the Simpsons nor Futurama would ever attempt. I won't describe it here, but if anybody wants to see it, look for "Osama has farty pants" on Kazaa. Heh I'm willing to bet nobody's ever seen a Bugs Bunny parody like that.
Your other complaints (i.e. Chef not singing, reoccurance of played out characters like Saddam, etc...) sadden me. What you're basically saying is "South Park isn't following the formula it established in the first season..." I can understand being disappointed after being hyped about it, but what you're asking for would destroy the show.
Futurama and Simpsons and South Park and.. well... most shows follow a formula like this, but the formula gets old. That's what's starting to happen to Simpsons. Has anybody else noticed that in this latest season Marge has made several references to Homer 'going on an adventure this week'?
That's what's so upsetting about Futurama getting cancelled. Simpsons may outlive it! What will we have when Simpsons is gone if Futurama's not around to take it's place?
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I think a large part of Futurama's problems with Fox(and many of the other shows listed in the discussion above) are a failing in the manner in which the Nielsen ratings are done. How many people on slashdot even KNOW a person who is a nielsen 'household', let alone are a nielsen voter?
You're only as smart as your brain.
At least Futurama got better treatment than Family Guy. Family Guy was totally screwed.
Also, the Simpsons are as funny as ever. Anymore it's all "Comic Book Guy" types sitting behind the computer saying how the show isn't as good as it used to be just because that's what their friend heard on the internet. And no one wants to like something that isn't "cool".
"BART: They've given you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them. CBG: Worst episode ever."
In fact, a lot of posters say "I don't even watch it much anymore, it's just not as funny as it used to be." How would you know if you aren't watching? Look at some recent episodes, I can think of a few things off the top of my head that were hilarious:
Brawl in the Family: When Homer's Las Vegas wife returns, he spends the night with her in the treehouse. Marge, in the bedroom, hears sexual moans of Homer. She says "Oh No! She's making him a sandwich." And she is! Funny in so many ways.
Blame it On Lisa: (The one where they go to Rio) Marge asks Lindsey Naegle (the stern female executive) why she always changes jobs. Ms. Naegle replies "I'm a sexual predator." I did a spit take on that one!
And in an upcoming episode Marge checks into the hospital for liposuction treatment, but checks out with a new pair of breasts due to a mix-up. That sounds hilarious!
Come on. Watch the Simpsons, it is as good as ever. The only positive to it going off the air is - SIMPSONS MOVIE! Waiting is the hardest part...
If you like crass puppets, you definitely should check out Meet the Feebles by Peter Jackson (yes, that Peter Jackson). The Feebles are the Muppets on drugs.
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It has to be said...
you read the articles? wassup wit dat?
Fox has done an excellent job this year bringing 24 to their schedule...that show is fantastic, Keifer Sutherland is awesome, and Dennis Hoppers' addition to the cast in the past few episodes has been outstanding too...to me, this was the best new show on any newtork this season...of course, it sounds like their gonna ruin it next season when, according to articles i've read, the shows switch from 24 episodes each covering one hour of time...to each episode covering 1 24-hour block of time...it just won't be the same..please FOX, try to bring it back in the original format...
also...
Andy Richter Controls the Universe and Undeclared are, in my opinion, two of the funniest new shows this season...yet, Undeclared has been conspicously absent from the spring schedule, and there are rumours that Andy Richter will not be picked up for next season...these two shows are great...and if you haven't checked out Andy Richter consider watching..it's on Tuesday's at 8:30 (although not this tuesday) as a lead in to "24"...it's damn funny...and the office humour in it is great...
i do think Fox's lineup does have some potential over all....these 3 shows i mentioned....plus Simpsons, Malcom in the Middle, King of the Hill and That 70's show give them a nice core group of programming...albeit one that doesn't really appeal to older viewers....but it should appeal to the all important 18-25 year old male demographic...
just my opinion...
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
There is a difference between snubbing all your best traditions and not remaining formulaic.
For one thing, they changed the animation style for "celebrities". Changing style is bad.
It was entirely unfunny, worthless. I was actually embarrassed to watch it (my girlfriend doesn't like it at all) and I'm forcing her to watch this? But it was like a car wreck, I kept thinking to myself, this couldn't get worse, it's a really obnoxious joke at my expense, maybe some Andy Kaufman thing...only it never happened.
Only once before, have I ever accused someone of taking credit for a work not their own (a popular novel that I don't wish to name here). In that case, I was certain the author had written the sequels, god awful garbage that they were, but somehow managed to steal the first from a student and murder them or something.
This time though, it's reversed. The regular writers were all fired, and Comedy Central still slapped the "south park" title on it.
I was sick. My favorite show, possibly of all time, was stolen from me, by these lousy bastards. Nothing can heal the suffering it has caused me.
:( I might be tempted to watch Futurama now, if only on the rebound. But even that isn't possible. Someone put me out of my misery, please.
I used to watch Fox more than any other channel on TV for the simpsons every night in syndication and the new episodes on sunday. Unfortunately that show has been running dry lately with less humor and more sappy shows. I am really disheartened when they show another useless 'clips' episode. If Groening puts the Simpsons to rest before it does further damage to its honor, it would seem much more logical to Fox to replace it with the next closest thing: Futurama. I liked the first few episodes because they had hilarious moments and were refreshing, but after that season I couldn't bear the show any more. I assume that's the result of Fox meddling with the show.
Fox just doesn't seem to relate to their audience very well at all. The only shows I watch on Fox are the Simpsons and various other syndicated comedy programs (Frasier, Seinfeld, etc.) Family Guy was one of the best shows in a long time and they hardly gave it a chance. It had refreshing humor and hilarious social commentary unrivaled by any other show today and they keep canning it.
It's also a crying shame that one of the worst animated shows, King of the Hill, is put on before the simpsons every sunday. If Fox should can anything, it should be that show. It is never funny and I can't think of any of its redeeming values.
"It was entirely unfunny, worthless...
Both my girlfriend and I disagree with you. As I said, the Bugs Bunny Parody alone was classic. The Afghan children's point of view of us was amusing in a satirical way. (scary if it wasn't trying to be satirical...) And if you paid attention to how Bin Laden, the Taliban, and Al Qaeda were being presented, it was an amusing spoof of what we think people from the Middle East are like. Pay real close attention to what Bin Laden actually says. He doesn't actually say anything, he just uses words we all know. "Ramadan?" Heh.
"Derp de derp."
So long, stinktown!
Pity that, but i'm very happy that he is now in charge of writing for the "Amazing Spiderman" comic. ;)
Technically, without warning. But the first reply was not completely accurate. Unless you are running this script as root (running a script that you don't know what it does is asking for trouble) it would only remove everything in your personal directory (or any other places you had write access). On a well set up system, the damage would only be to your own files -- and it's what you deserve if you just do things without knowing what you are doing.
Hating to see the uninformed make the statement "unix sucks".
Like pi? Try 10,000 digits.
does the unix user have to have perl installed to use the command?
Nothing to see here, move along.
Scene one: Itchy, Scratchy and Bin Ladin in a barber shop...
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Smartass kid gets whacked over the head, uploaded to Gnutella during his last living moments, then pops up on Channel One to diss Coca-Cola products and help his friend at the student newspaper uncover Microsoft's contributions to Ashcroft's campaigns and the resulting "derailing" of the anti-trust case.
Episode II: ABCDNBCBS, Inc... Corruption at the FCC
Episode III: RIAA... A congressman is the best investment you can make.
Please oh please.
Build stuff. Stuff that walks, stuff that rolls, whatever.
Most people here that have seen Greg the Bunny on Fox were underwhelmed. I was too.
To see what it was before Fox, check out this - it's from the Independant Film Channel, where they introduced and made fun of movies, then slowly built up characters as they went.
There, Greg was a simple sock puppet, and his personality shined with unrehersed enthusiasm at having just having a job. There's great stuff in those clips, like Greg going to a real rave, getting killed by zombies, meeting childhood heroes, etc.
The stuff we see on Fox though, is definetly not the same - though it might grow back into what it was eventually. If I never saw those clips, I would think the exact same as the rest here about the show - but now it seems that much worse because of how much it has lost it's appeal.
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If Futurama gets canceled, have Bender get sent back into time and end up in Springfield. Let's face it, Bender is what makes Futurama. Well, then there's Lela. I haven't gotten excited by a cartoon character since Jose and the Pussycats in the 70s...
You misspelled "Misspelling", dumbass.
And I'm not judging your intelligence based on your spelling, just on your opinion of GtB.
-Smack M. Bishop.
I fail to see how Fox supports crap like King of the Hill and not good shows like Family Guy and Futurama. Sometimes I feel like the Fox Network is based out of Kentucky and just doesn't understand the brilliance of great cartoon comedy.
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chris likes little girls around the age of 5 or so. He likes the blood they shed on his cock, and then he makes them suck it up. Then he shit on them and takes pictures, and frames the family for it- no wonder he's an "editor" on /.!
The Simpsons was brilliant in the past, and occasionally still is. But don't you think the creative talent behind it could probably produce better things if they were freed from what is a pretty tired format?
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When I was living in NYC I too though that King of the Hill was an awful, unfunny show. But now that I'm going to the University of Missouri I've found that the show mirrors the dumb hick mentality of the midwest PERFECTLY. I cannot stop laughing anytime Boomhauer mumbles something, because I know someone who speaks EXACTLY like him. I guess its just a matter of wat the viewer can relate to. East and West Coasters don't get King of the Hill, and Midwesterners don't get...anything really.
Well, I don't fit any of those categories. I'm closer to the show's origins, I live in Louisiana. Though geographically close, I don't really consider Texas 'southern' though.
Probably among many others, I have been watching the Simpsons since Tracy Ullman and been a die hard fan ever since. This season outside of a few shows, I could care less whether I see it or not. I am not flaming, I am just stating I think they should go out with some diginity. I think that is safe to say that Matt G. agrees.
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>the characters were "too mean"
Yeah, just like that Seinfeld show. And we all know what a flop THAT was...
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It seems the shows I like on Fox get booted so I decided to just not start watching any new shows on Fox. Andy Richter and that muppet show look pretty good from the prevues, but sure enough, if the show is anygood it will get booted. So why start watching and new shows? I'm not. I also have a 60 hour Tivo so it's not like I can't find anything else to watch. ;)
Fox does have goos sports coverage however. So, except for Sports, I'm done with Fox programming.
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I think my name speaks for me.
...literally.
Homer Jumps the Shark.
Undergrads (MTV), Undeclared, Futurama, Family Guy - GONE.
What are male University students left to watch on TV these days???
And soon the Simpsons.
Well, the good news is more episodes are available online now(plus no commercials... eat that FOX).
Next on FOX: "When TV Executives cancel shows with loyal followings"
---- The geek shall inherit the Earth.
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It's similar to the Windows rmdir command for DOS/WindowsXP. On a unix it would be confinsed to the directories that you had write access to. I'm not sure how much damage it would do in Windows, they probably wouldn't have perl installed, for one.
See the subject for the code
that's wicked..
very creative mind you've got there
An important issue about Crusade was that the project was terminated before the first episode even aired. I'm sure there's two sides to the story, but I could see the interference from the suits (I can't believe I just wrote that) when watching those 13 eps.
Sweet, sweet irony!
Another case of life imitating art:
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--- Wherever you go, everyone is always connected...
It kinda makes me think of how Bob & Tom deal with complaints--if they get a complaint about one song they played, they play it again.
I disagree with the guy, but c'mon he's hardly a troll. He merely stated why he didn't think the Simpsons was all that great. That's not trolling, posting "Slashdot sucks my uncle's scrubby ***sack" without the * is trolling. Look at this guys user info and you'll see from his previous posts that he's not a troll and never has been.
Seriously now Moderators really should refrain from modding posts down simply on the basis of disagreement.
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The last few minutes of 11/26/00 episode of Futurama, "War is the H Word", was cut (in the East) for the certification of the Florida Electoral Votes. Then again, if they had to cut in, the timing couldn't have been better.
** SPOILER ALERT **
Bender had a bomb planted in him when he would say his favorite word, 'ass'. The gang got to him in time, and just as he said 'ass', he screamed the TV screen went blank for a few seconds, and they cut to the Fox News Alert.
Hmmm. Bender says 'ass' and Katherine Harris appears. I liked that doomsday ending best.
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Fox cancelled Futurama...damn. Unfortunately, fo everyone, that's the end of it. Fox also cancelled The Tick and, despite years of lobbying and petitions by both fans and the creator, never brought it back. Oh, unless you count that live-action travesty.... Fox does not care about shows that are good, they care about shows that make money, now that Fox is considered a "real" network they no longer have any interest in their roots or in their viewers....they don't need us anymore.
It's a pity, they don't like Futurama. Here in Russia we really love it!
of course, it sounds like their gonna ruin it next season when, according to articles i've read, the shows switch from 24 episodes each covering one hour of time...to each episode covering 1 24-hour block of time...it just won't be the same..please FOX, try to bring it back in the original format...
Better yet, kill it dead. It's a great show, but it's something that can only be done once, one season. Once you get past the first 24 hours, the gimmick is gone and so is the show. Take the whole cast and writing staff and do something else with the same sort of tone and a different gimmick and see what comes of it.
Just oogle the google and the first hit i get is this. Answering questions like this is what the internet was invented for!
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I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but I've noticed two forms of jumping the shark. The traditional kind is when you watch an episode and say, "I can't believe this crap, they're really jumping the shark here".
The other form I've noticed is an episode that, only in retrospect, marks the end of the good episodes. A commonly held JtS of this type is the end of Buffy's third season (Mayor). It was good up to and including those episodes, but after that, it wasn't as good.
that the article says fans have organized this petition, not Groening.
that the article states fans are running this petition, not Matt.
... a 'suicide booth' when you need it most.
Political correctness is the newest form of slavery.
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Thanks for playing. Come back when you can code in BASIC, dipshit.
East and West Coasters don't get King of the Hill
Their farts don't stink, either.
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Has anyone else seen the correlation between Futurama becoming the cutting edge satire show on TV and Simpsons becoming somewhat tired and cliched?
I am a long time Simpsons fan, the show has had its bad seasons in the past, but I have found since Futurama debuted, that the Simpsons has suffered. I have the feeling that most of the creative talent is writing for Futurama, leaving the Simpsons to the 2nd string. I am unsure if the same creative team is truly up to putting out 2 top notch shows.
Of course , my greatest fear is that both shows end up being canceled. Not sure what I would do without my Bender and Homer fix.
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Look at Seinfeld, at least we didn't have to watch it die a painful death, it was killed mercifully. The Simpsons is clearly running out of ideas. They even said so on their last clip show a few weeks ago!
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Quote:While I don't agree that The Simpsons has "Jumped the Shark"
... well I guess don't know. Homer is mad that because the phone company changed his area code. Somehow this involves a badger and the 70's rock band "The Who".
Are you kidding? The Simpsons "Jumped the Shark" the day Homer swore for the first time.
The Simpsons went 10 years without a single character using profanity to get laughs. The day Homer swore is the day the show ran out original material.
Up to that day the Simpsons relied on parody, biting social commentary and literay allusion to generate laughs. The writing was deep and thoughtful, with layers of humor.
Take for example the writing on the episode title "Treehouse of Horror" from the mid-nineties(text of the show here). Homer overhears Lisa telling Bart the Edgar Allen Poe classic "The Raven". Homer imagines the world of the "Raven" with himself as the tortured soul and Bart as the Raven antagonist. The short sequence re-writes the Raven (in Poe's poetic style), uses James Earl Jones as the narrator (for a wonderfully scary effect), and sets Marge Simpsons long lost Lenore. Absolutely wonderful writing and humor.
Juxtapose that short, wonderful segment with a recent episode where Homer secedes from Springfield. The premise of the story is
Homer swears repeatedly for comedic effect. Great. Hilarious. I could have watched Roseanne to see that. Maybe Homer will grab his crotch next.
The Who episode had no story line, no parody and no literary allusion. In the end they are *saved* by guest stars "The Who". Great, another washed up band who is currently on tour gets a cross-promotional spot on the Simpsons (I wonder how much bands pay to get on the show?).
In the UK, the biggest cable/satellite/digital channel, Sky 1, runs Futurama side by side with the Simpsons, at between 6 and 8pm weeknights (plus a Saturday repeat). It promotes it heavily, and doesn't screw around with the timeslots.
In other words: they get it, and we get it, and I'll be deeply, deeply saddened to see it go because some jumped up MBA prick in an expensive suit feels it doesn't target a common enough demographic, or that it might offend the Neurotic Mothers of America. Sad, sad day.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
How about this, "Futurama sucks"
Is that better?
You are absolutely, 100% correct.
Also, the early Simpsons were more human and people could sympathize with them. They had universal problems. That is a big part of any classic comedy. Now they are so bizarre and "cartoonish" that you can hardly relate to them.
Cameos and timely subjects are like sweets, a quick thrill and then even more quickly forgotten, and too much of them makes you sick.
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
You sound just like most of the posters from alt.tv.simpsons in the past 5 years, just repeating "It was good a few seasons ago, but this season has just SUCKED" over and over again, every season.
Now allow me to mimic the other posters in a.t.s. by saying, if you think the show sucks now, stop watching it. Why waste your time on something you don't like?
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OK, who caught the episode about a week and a half ago where they roast Homer. The part that left me laughing hardest was at the end where they were doing the musical medly, and there is a clip (not from any episode mind you) of Homer on a pair of water skis, jumping over a couple of sharks. That was great. PK
Engineers arn't boring people, we just get excited about boring things.
If you don't think that King of the Hill is smart satire, you've never been to suburban Texas.
No, it may not have the "here is the absurd joke, laugh now" style of Monty Python that is so used by sketch comedy and the Familiy Guy.
What King of the Hill DOES have is smart, subtle humor that allows working class middle America to poke fun at itself every once in a while.
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Most of us would agree that Bill Gates is a fairly intelligent guy, right? And he probably has some cash left over to entertain himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys clever shows like Family Guy (in particular), Futurama and (earlier seasons of) The Simpsons.
;))
Wouldn't it be better if the online petitions for the shows was directed to him, asking him to cough up money to continue the shows?
(yeah, this post is a joke, but if I was Bill, this is something I'd consider wasting my money on, instead of GPL-bashing.
Anyone remember this unfortunate broadcast decision? It's a shame, SciFi still occasionally runs the 13 episodes filmed for Brimstone, looking back, it is still a good show. Bummer.
FOX makes me physically ill in it's decision to kill futurama. Simpsons is the best series to ever hit TV, it has a freaking cult following. Futurama has the same brilliant humour, and a universe of possibilities. I would like to ask those f*&#ers at FOX - "What the F*&K do you think you're doing? And who the F*&K do you think you are? you must be crazy! assholes."
Thankyou for your time.
Futurama - best show... ever.