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How to Remove Linux and Install Windows XP (Q314458)
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n fo/admi nistration/management/mltiboot.asp The third-party contact information included in this article is provided to help you find the technical support you need. This contact information is subject to change without notice. Microsoft in no way guarantees the accuracy of this third-party contact information.
The information in this article applies to:
* Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
* Microsoft Windows XP Professional
For a Microsoft Windows 2000 version of this article, see Q247804
SUMMARY
This article explains how to remove the Linux operating system from your computer and install Windows XP. This article assumes that Linux is already installed on your computer's hard disk, that Linux native and Linux swap partitions are in use (which are incompatible with Windows XP), and that there is no free space left on the hard disk.
NOTE : Windows XP and Linux can coexist on the same computer. For additional information, refer to your Linux documentation.
MORE INFORMATION
To install Windows XP on a computer on which Linux is currently installed (and assuming that you want to remove Linux), you must manually delete the partitions used by the Linux operating system. The Windows-compatible partition can be created automatically during the installation of Windows XP.
IMPORTANT : Before you follow the steps in this article, verify that you have a bootable disk or bootable CD-ROM for the Linux operating system, because these steps completely remove the Linux operating system from your computer. If you intend to restore the Linux operating system at a later date, verify that you also have a functional backup of all the information stored on your computer. Additionally, you must have a full release version of Windows XP to use during this installation. If you intend to use a Windows XP upgrade CD-ROM, a CD-ROM of a qualifying Windows product must be available. Setup from the Windows XP upgrade CD-ROM will prompt you for this CD-ROM.
Linux file systems use a superblock at the beginning of a disk partition to identify the basic size, shape, and condition of the file system.
The Linux operating system is generally installed on partition type 83 (Linux native) or 82 (Linux swap). The Linux boot manager (LILO) can be configured to start from either of the following locations:
* The hard disk Master Boot Record (MBR)
-or-
* The root folder of the Linux partition
The Fdisk tool included with Linux can be used to delete the partitions. (There are other utilities that work just as well, such as Fdisk from MS-DOS 5.0 and later, or you can delete the partitions during the installation process.)
To remove Linux from your computer and install Windows XP, follow these steps:
1. Remove the native, swap, and boot partitions used by Linux:
1. Start your computer with the Linux Setup floppy disk, type fdisk at the command prompt, and then press ENTER.
NOTE : For help with using the Fdisk tool, type m at the command prompt, and then press ENTER.
# Type p at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to display partition information. The first item listed is hard disk 1, partition 1 information , and the second item listed is hard disk 1, partition 2 information
# Type d at the command prompt, and then press ENTER. You are then prompted for the partition number that you want to delete. Type 1 , and then press ENTER to delete partition number 1. Repeat this step until all the partitions have been deleted.
# Type w , and then press ENTER to write this information to the partition table. Some error messages may be generated (because information is written to the partition table), but they should not be significant at this point because the next step is to restart the computer and then install the new operating system.
# Type q at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to quit the Fdisk tool.
# Insert either a bootable floppy disk or the bootable Windows XP CD-ROM, and then press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to restart your computer.
2. Follow the instructions on the screen to install Windows XP.
The installation process assists you in creating the appropriate partitions on your computer.
Sample Linux Partition Tables
Single SCSI Drive
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
Multiple SCSI Drives
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
Single IDE Drive
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
Multiple IDE Drives
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
Additionally, Linux recognizes more than 40 different partition types, including the following:
* FAT 12 (Type 01)
* FAT 16 > 32 M Primary (Type 06)
* FAT 16 Extended (Type 05)
* FAT 32 w/o LBA Primary (Type 0b)
* FAT 32 w/LBA Primary (Type 0c)
* FAT 16 w/LBA (Type 0e)
* FAT 16 w/LBA Extended (Type 0f)
Note that there are other ways to remove the Linux operating system and install Windows XP. The preceding method is included in this article because of the assumptions that the Linux operating system is already functioning and there is no more room on the hard disk. There are methods for changing partition sizes with software designed for managing partitions. Disk partitioning software may cause instability with the Windows XP installation. Microsoft does not support the installation of Windows XP on partitions manipulated in this manner.
You can also use an MS-DOS version 5.0-or-later boot disk, a Microsoft Windows 95 Startup disk, or a Microsoft Windows 98 Startup disk that contains the Fdisk utility to remove an operating system from the hard disk and install a different operating system. When you start Fdisk and multiple drives are installed on your computer, you are presented with five choices; use option 5 to select the hard disk that has the partition to be deleted. After that (or if you have only one hard disk), select option 3 ( Delete partition or logical DOS drive ), and then select option 4 ( Delete non-DOS partition ). You should then see the non-MS-DOS partitions that you want to delete. Typically, the Linux operating system has two non-MS-DOS partitions, but there may be more. After you delete one partition, use the same steps to delete any other appropriate non-MS-DOS partitions.
For additional information about how to use the Fdisk utility, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q255867 How to Use the Fdisk Tool and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk After you delete the partitions, you can create partitions and install the operating system that you want. You can create only one primary partition and an extended partition with multiple logical drives by using Fdisk from MS-DOS version 5.0-and-later, Windows 95, and Windows 98. The maximum FAT16 primary partition size is 2 gigabytes (GB). The largest FAT16 logical drive size is 2 GB.
For additional information, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q105074 MS-DOS 6.2 Partitioning Questions and Answers When you install Windows XP, the Linux partitions can be removed and new partitions created and formatted with the appropriate file system type during the installation process. Windows XP allows you to create more than one primary partition. Windows XP does recognize the FAT32 file system. During the installation of Windows XP, you can create a very large FAT32 drive. The FAT32 drive can be converted to NTFS after the installation has completed, if appropriate.
For additional information about how to multiboot with Windows XP, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
Q306559 HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System with Windows XP For more information, browse to the following Microsoft Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techi
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On November 10, 1983, Microsoft announced Microsoft Windows, an extension of the MS-DOS® operating system that would provide a graphical operating environment for PC users. Microsoft called Windows 1.0 a new software environment for developing and running applications that use bitmap displays and mouse pointing devices. With Windows, the graphical user interface (GUI) era at Microsoft had begun.
The release of Windows XP in 2001 marked a major milestone in the Windows desktop operating system family, by bringing together the two previously separate lines of Windows desktop operating systems.
With the upcoming release of Windows
To explain the many advances since Windows 1.0, the following pages summarize milestones in the development of Windows desktop operating systems at Microsoft.
Many longtime PC users trace Windows to the 1990 release of Windows 3.0, the first widely popular version of Windows and the first version of Windows many PC users ever tried. But Microsoft actually released the first version of Windows six years earlier, in 1985. To understand the roots of today's Windows operating systems, we must journey back nearly 20 years.
Windows 1.0 product box
The Windows 1.0 product box showed the new tiled windows and graphical user interface in the operating system
1985: Windows 1.0
The first version of Windows was a milestone product because it allowed PC users to switch from the MS-DOS® method of typing commands at the C prompt (C:\) to using a mouse to point and click their way through functions, such as starting applications, in the operating system.
Windows 1.0 also allowed users to switch between several programs--without requiring them to quit and restart individual applications. The product included a set of desktop applications, including the MS-DOS file management program, a calendar, card file, notepad, calculator, clock, and telecommunications programs, which helped users manage day-to-day activities.
Windows 1.0 graphical user interface
Even before the Windows 1.0 graphical user interface, there was this pre-Windows 1.0 Interface Manager
1987: Windows 2.0
With the second version of Windows, Microsoft took advantage of the improved processing speed of the Intel 286 processor, expanded memory, and inter-application communication capabilities using Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE). Windows 2.0 featured support for the VGA graphics standard, and also allowed users to overlap windows, control screen layout, and use keyboard combinations to move rapidly through Windows operations.
Many developers started writing their first Window-based applications for Windows 2.x. Following the release of Windows 2.0 was Windows/386 2.03, which took advantage of the protected mode and extended memory capabilities of the Intel 386 processor.
Subsequent Windows releases continued to improve the speed, reliability, and usability of the PC, and improved the interface design and capabilities.
1990: Windows 3.0
Microsoft's first mainstream computing platform offered 32-bit performance, advanced graphics, and full support of the more powerful Intel 386 processor. A new wave of 386 PCs helped drive the popularity of Windows 3.0, which offered a wide range of new features and capabilities, including:
* Program Manager, File Manager, and Print Manager
* A completely rewritten application development environment with modular virtual device drivers (VxDs), native support for applications running in extended memory, and fully pre-emptive MS-DOS multitasking
* An improved set of Windows icons
The popularity of Windows 3.0 blossomed with the release of a completely new Windows software development kit (SDK), which helped software developers focus more on writing applications and less on writing device drivers. Widespread acceptance among third-party hardware and software developers helped fuel the success of Windows 3.0.
Windows 3.0's new File Manager
Windows 3.0 featured a new File Manager
1993: Windows for Workgroups 3.11
A superset of Windows 3.1, Windows for Workgroups 3.11 added peer-to-peer workgroup and domain networking support. For the first time, Windows PCs were natively network-aware and became an integral part of the emerging client/server computing evolution.
Windows for Workgroups was used in local area networks (LANs) and on stand-alone PCs and laptop computers. It added features of special interest to corporate users, such as centralized configuration and security, significantly improved support for Novell NetWare networks, and remote access service (RAS). Windows for Workgroups also offered the performance benefits of Microsoft's new 32-bit file system.
1993: Windows NT 3.1
The release to manufacturing of Microsoft Windows NT® on July 27, 1993, marked an important milestone for Microsoft. It completed a project Microsoft began in the late 1980s to build an advanced new operating system from scratch. "Windows NT represents nothing less than a fundamental change in the way that companies can address their business computing requirements," Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates said at its release.
Windows NT was the first Windows operating system to combine support for high-end client/server business applications with the industry's leading personal productivity applications. The operating system broke new ground in security, operating system power, performance, desktop scalability, and reliability with a range of key new features. These included a pre-emptive multitasking scheduler for Windows-based applications, integrated networking, domain server security, OS/2 and POSIX subsystems, support for multiple processor architectures, and the NTFS file system.
Windows NT 3.1 GUI
Windows NT 3.1 contained overlapping windows and other features similar to Windows 3.1
The new operating system began with version 3.1 in order to maintain consistency with Windows 3.1, which at the time was a well-established operating system for both home and business users.
Windows NT was geared toward business users and was initially available in both a desktop (workstation) version and a server version called Windows NT Advanced Server. The desktop version was well received by developers because of its security, stability, and rich Microsoft Win32® application programming interface (API)--a combination that made it easier to support powerful programs.
Windows NT was a strategic platform that could integrate client/server applications with existing Windows-based desktop applications, or function as a technical workstation to run high-end engineering or scientific applications.
1993: Windows NT Workstation 3.5
Windows NT Workstation 3.5 supported the OpenGL graphics standard, which helped power high-end applications for software development, engineering, financial analysis, scientific, and business-critical tasks.
The Windows NT Workstation 3.5 release provided the highest degree of protection yet for critical business applications and data. The product also offered 32-bit performance improvements, better application support, including support for NetWare file and print servers, and improved productivity features, such as the capability to give files 255-character names.
1995: Windows 95
Windows 95 was the successor to Microsoft's three existing general-purpose desktop operating systems--Windows 3.1, Windows for Workgroups, and MS-DOS. Windows 95 included an integrated 32-bit TCP/IP stack for built-in Internet support, dial-up networking, and new Plug and Play capabilities that made it easy for users to install hardware and software.
The 32-bit operating system also offered enhanced multimedia capabilities, more powerful features for mobile computing, and integrated networking. In order to keep memory requirements to a minimum, it did not include support for such features as system-level security or Unicode, which came later.
1996: Windows NT Workstation 4.0
This upgrade to Microsoft's business desktop operating system brought increased ease of use and simplified management, higher network throughput, and a complete set of tools for developing and managing intranets.
Windows NT Workstation 4.0 included the popular Windows 95 user interface and improved networking support, providing secure, easy access to the Internet and corporate intranets.
In October 1998, Microsoft announced that Windows NT would no longer carry the initials "NT," and that the next major version of the operating system would be called Windows 2000.
1998: Windows 98
Windows 98 was the upgrade to Windows 95. Described as an operating system that "Works Better, Plays Better," Windows 98 was the first version of Windows designed specifically for consumers.
Windows 98 enabled users to find PC- or Internet-based information easily, it opened and closed applications more quickly, and it included support for reading DVD discs and connecting to universal serial bus (USB) devices.
1999: Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows 98 SE, as it was often abbreviated, was an incremental update to Windows 98. It offered consumers a variety of new and enhanced hardware compatibility and Internet-related features.
Windows 98 SE delivered an improved online experience with Internet Explorer 5 browser software and Microsoft Windows NetMeeting® version 3.0 conferencing software. It also included Microsoft DirectX® API 6.1, which delivered a variety of Windows multimedia improvements, and offered home networking capabilities through Internet connection sharing (ICS). Windows 98 SE was also Microsoft's first consumer operating system capable of using device drivers that also worked with the Windows NT business operating system.
2000: Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me)
Windows Me offered consumers numerous music, video, and home networking enhancements and reliability improvements.
System Restore let users roll back their PC software configuration to a date or time before a problem occurred. Windows Movie Maker provided users with the tools to digitally edit, save, and share home videos. Microsoft Windows Media(TM) Player 7 technologies allowed users to easily find, organize, and play digital media.
Windows Me was the last Microsoft operating system to be based on the Windows 95 kernel. Microsoft announced that all future operating system products would be based on the Windows NT and Windows 2000 kernel.
2000: Windows 2000 Professional
Windows 2000 ProfessionalWindows 2000 Professional was the upgrade to Windows NT Workstation 4.0, but it was more than just that. Windows 2000 Professional was designed to replace Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows NT Workstation 4.0 on all business desktops and laptops. Built on top of the proven Windows NT Workstation 4.0 code base, Windows 2000 added major improvements in reliability, ease of use, Internet compatibility, and support for mobile computing.
Windows 2000 Professional also made hardware installation much easier than it was with Windows NT Workstation 4.0 by adding support for a wide variety of new Plug and Play hardware, including advanced networking and wireless products, USB devices, IEEE 1394 devices, and infrared devices.
2001: Windows XP
Windows XP is a unifying leap forward for desktop operating systems. With the release of Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Professional in October 2001, Microsoft succeeded in merging its two Windows operating system lines for consumers and businesses, uniting them around the Windows NT and Windows 2000 code base.
With Windows XP, consumers and home users now have performance, stability, and security that business users benefited from in Windows 2000.
Windows XP also includes the broad base of application and hardware compatibility of Windows 98 and Windows Me, while adding new tech-support technology, a fresh user interface, and many other improvements that make it easier to use for a broad range of tasks.
Windows XP is available in two main versions, Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition, as well as a 64-bit edition, Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, for power users with workstations that use the Intel Itanium 64-bit processor.
2001: Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Professional benefits from the long track record of Microsoft Windows NT technology: superior operating system performance, including preemptive multitasking, fault tolerance, and system memory protection.
Windows XP Professional also offers a redesigned interface and includes features for business and advanced home computing, including Remote Desktop, encrypting file system, system restore and advanced networking features. It also offers numerous key enhancements such as wireless 802.1x networking support, Windows Messenger, Remote Assistance, and the System Restore feature.
2001: Windows XP Home Edition
Windows XP Home Edition offers a clean, simplified visual design that makes frequently accessed features more accessible. The product offers many enhancements aimed at home users such as the Network Setup Wizard, Microsoft Windows Media(TM) Player, Windows Movie Maker, and enhanced digital photo capabilities.
Microsoft Windows server operating systems have a shorter history than Windows desktop operating systems, but they share the same legacy.
In 1988, Microsoft formed what would become the development team for Microsoft Windows NT®, with the goal of developing a full 32-bit, multipurpose operating system.
In 1991, at the Microsoft Windows Developers Conference, Microsoft demonstrated Windows Advanced Server for LAN Manager, a high-end operating system that would later be renamed Windows NT. The product offered the familiar Windows user interface and programming model, and was capable of running all the applications developed for Windows 3.0.
1993: Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1
Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1
Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1 was designed to serve as a dedicated server in a client/server environment
At the same time Microsoft released the first desktop version of Windows NT in July 1993, it also released Microsoft's first Windows Server operating system. Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1 was designed to act as a dedicated server in a client/server environment, offering power, scalability, enhanced fault tolerance, and standards-based interoperability.
Microsoft promoted Windows NT Advanced Server as an application server for Novell NetWare, Banyan VINES, and Microsoft networks, capable of providing a platform for sophisticated business solutions such as financial, accounting, and vertical applications. As an application server, Windows NT Advanced Server was also a powerful platform for database servers such as Microsoft SQL Server(TM), communications servers such as Microsoft SNA Server, and mail servers such as Microsoft Mail.
For network management, Windows NT Advanced Server provided customers with centralized security and server management, along with graphical tools to manage multiple systems as well as a single logon for enterprise users.
As the first Windows Server operating system, Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1 combined the ease of use of Windows with the power of the first server operating system from Microsoft, LAN Manager.
1994: Windows NT Server 3.5
The next release of Windows NT Server was built on the stability of version 3.1, but with greatly enhanced processing speed and improved connectivity to other systems, particularly in Novell NetWare and UNIX environments.
Enhancements included new administration tools, improved client software configuration, an auto-reboot and dump facility, better tools for NetWare, and better remote access capabilities.
1995: Windows NT Server 3.51
This incremental release included a tool to help customers manage Client Access Licenses (CALs) for the Microsoft BackOffice® family of server products (now referred to as Microsoft
1996: Windows NT Server 4.0
With this upgrade, Windows NT Server became a full 32-bit operating system and gained the popular look and feel of Windows 95. Windows NT 4.0 also added many advanced features for business and technical users, including:
* Higher network throughput
* Faster file and print services
* Robust application support
* Standards-based communications features
* An integrated Web server (Internet Information Server)
* A complete set of tools for developing and managing intranets
Subsequent service packs and option packs offered additional features, including public-key and certificate authority functionality, smart card support, improved symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) scalability, clustering capabilities, and component object model (COM) support.
1997: Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition
Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition built on the benefits of Windows NT Server 4.0 by adding features and capabilities designed to appeal to large corporate customers with mission-critical requirements. Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition added greater performance and scalability, higher availability, and expanded services for developing enterprise applications.
The product also included Microsoft Transaction Server to facilitate the development of Internet and intranet applications, and Microsoft Message Queue Server (MSMQ), which enabled applications running at different times to communicate across heterogeneous networks and systems that may be temporarily offline.
Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition also supported critical server resources with the Microsoft Cluster Service and Windows NT Server load balancing service, large SMP servers, and memory-intensive applications.
In October 1998, Microsoft announced that it would drop the "NT" suffix in the next major version of the Windows NT operating system, which would become known as Windows 2000.
1998 Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition
Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition gave the Windows NT Server operating system the capability to serve 32-bit Windows operating system-based applications to terminals and terminal emulators running on PC and non-PC desktops. The terminal server environment was, by definition, a thin-client architecture where all application processing occurred centrally on the server.
Because Terminal Server clients were available for many different desktop platforms, including Macintosh and UNIX, Terminal Server provided access to 32-bit Windows-based applications from virtually any desktop. Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition, offered a bridging technology for organizations that were transitioning to a pure 32-bit desktop environment, by allowing their existing non-Windows-based computers to connect to a Windows network.
Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition, consisted of three components:
* The Windows NT Server multi-user core, which made it possible to host multiple, simultaneous client sessions.
* The Remote Desktop Protocol, which allowed communication with the a server that has Terminal Server enabled over the network.
* The "super-thin" Windows-based client software, which displayed the familiar 32-bit Windows user interface on a range of desktop hardware.
2000: Windows 2000 Server Family
Windows 2000 Server familyBill Gates unveiled Microsoft's family of Windows 2000 client and server software at an elaborate launch event in February 2000 that featured dozens of companies demonstrating Windows 2000-compatible hardware and software.
Windows 2000 was released in both desktop (Windows 2000 Professional) and server versions. The desktop version has since been upgraded to Windows XP Professional, while the server versions of Windows 2000 will be upgraded when Microsoft releases Windows
The three server versions of Windows 2000 offer a wide range of features that provide the reliability, scalability, and manageability required by businesses of all sizes.
* Windows 2000 Server offers a next-generation, multipurpose network operating system for departmental file, print, Web, and entry-level application servers.
* Windows 2000 Advanced Server offers a server operating system for business-critical Web and line-of-business application servers.
* Windows 2000 Datacenter Server offers a server operating system for the most demanding levels of availability and scale.
These operating systems offer a broad set of capabilities for Web developers, including a high-performance Web server featuring Active Server Pages (ASP), COM+ component services, transaction and message queuing support, and end-to-end XML support.
For IT professionals, the Windows 2000 Server family offers advanced features, centralized, policy-based management with new technologies such as Microsoft IntelliMirror® management technologies and the Microsoft Active Directory(TM) service, and faster deployment options that lower cost of ownership for organizations of all sizes.
2002: Windows
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I'm looking into doing this again.Has anyone run both and have an opinion of which they preferred?
I have been pwned because my
After being a fanatical Debian-user for four years, Gentoo was a "love at first sight".. :) I've been running Gentoo for about a year now and always when I find out about a new detail about it, I think to myself "Yes, this is how it SHOULD have been in the other distros also"..
The only thing I'm missing is a way to make "recursive" library updates.. For example, if I upgrade libSDL to a new version, all apps that depends on SDL should be recompiled automatically.. There is still no easy way to do this in Gentoo, but I heard that it is comming in portage v2...
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Wonder if they'll support the possible new kernel modules when they come out?
Side note: Like this isn't a direct note to BillG.
Gentoo 1.2 was released on June 10. This is one of the top 10 Linux distributions, and one of the few Linux distributions that generates any excitement anymore. Does Slashdot care at all about being current? My understanding is that this is a Linux website (I have come to this understanding from reading postings about minor kernel patches etc.). Perhaps it would be well to keep up on Linux news.
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Who is michael and why are all his posts judged frontpage worthy and mine not so?
Is this some sort of joke?
How many more pictures are left? She asked curiously.
Uh, He looked. Seven.
We'll if it's for Taco, maybe you should take more than one. She suggested.
Hemos visibly gulped. Here he was standing in front of the most beautiful woman in his neighborhood. She was a respected woman with a reputation for being excessively reserved. And not only was she was completely naked in front of Her underaged guest, she wanted him to take more pictures! All three of the boys had been sure he wouldn't even get one.
Here, let me get this silly thing off. Cmdr Taco's mom tugged at her apron strings.
The rising heat blew it away.
It makes me look so domestic.
The next seven finger presses were the most difficult thing Hemos had ever done. His raging hard-on wanted to leap out of his pants, and his brain was fogged with lust.
She turned from side to side. The house mother posed more provocatively with every snap of the shutter. Her legs opened and she held up her tits. Then she started rubbing her hands all over herself.
The last shot Hemos took was of Taco' mom with her legs wide open with a hand deep in her cunt as she aimed one of her incredible tits to her mouth.
Cum spilled into his pants. Hemos grunted and nearly dropped the camera as he temporarily lost his vision.
You'd better run up and show Taco. I've got housework to do. Cmdr Taco's mom turned her back on the thin wisp of white cloth lying on the living room carpet as she walked into the kitchen. She felt quite warm.
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I want your mom so bad! CowboyNeal breathed.
The pile of eight photos lay arranged on Taco' bed like an alter to a modern day goddess. Three boys crowded his mattress, their faces studying the naked woman were flush with emotions.
Shut up! Taco snapped.
Yeah, CowboyNeal I thought you wanted your own mother. Hemos snickered.
I wish I could... CowboyNeal began.
...jack off! Hemos laughed.
Shut up! CowboyNeal pouted. ...if only I had the guts. Taco, there's gotta be a reason your mom is getting naked for us. Maybe she'd do
something else if we knew what it was?
She told me she'd do anything for Taco. Hemos trilled his voice like a fluttering girl. Oh Taco, if only you'd get better, I'd climb on top of you and ride you like a fireman on a hose.
Knock it off. Taco spoke seriously.
I want to knock her up! Hemos stared at his friend. He had decided the moment his balls emptied into his pants, having taken the last picture, that Mrs. Malda would be the recipient of his next load. He knew he had enough information to make sure of exactly that.
Hey, this isn't funny. Taco said irritably.
What are you going to do about it, Frankenstein's Mummy? CowboyNeal teased.
I'm not joking. Hemos stated.
My mom may be a little crazy right now, but she's not stupid. Taco called Hemos's bluff.
Then CowboyNeal and I will give her smart choices.
Huh? CowboyNeal looked at the bigger boy.
We've got photos. We know she's radically upset over Taco. I think we can make her do anything.
You'd better not. Taco fumed.
Don't worry, Taco. We'll cut you in on the action, if you behave yourself.
I will not. Taco countered, but already he was imagining the two boys touching his naked mother. He need only to look at the provocative pictures on his blanket and mentally add both friends inside the frames, their hands and cocks rubbing all over his mom. His own cock readily anticipated future cooperation.
Gee, do you really think so? CowboyNeal's eyes grew as big as eggs.
At least we can give it a try. Hemos lost only a little bluster as he faced the reality of their plans. CowboyNeal, you get to go first. He grinned.
--
Cmdr Taco's mom sorted laundry in the room next to her kitchen. Every time she held up one of her shirts, she held it to her naked body and looked down.
I don't have anything to wear!
Uh, M-Mrs. Malda? CowboyNeal looked at the floor. Witnessing the gorgeous woman deprived him of thought.
Yes, CowboyNeal? Cmdr Taco's mom pressed a long sleeve shirt to herself.
I think there's something wrong with Taco. CowboyNeal looked up full of fear that she wouldn't believe him.
Taco' mother dropped the shirt and her naked body absorbed the young boy's attention.
My goodness, no! What's the matter? She hurried to the doorway.
CowboyNeal found himself following the juiciest looking behind he had ever seen. It was the first one he had seen. Her ass cheeks bounced and swayed and jittered like fish on a line. She crossed the kitchen and entered the living room at twice his pace.
He said something about not being able to move his head.
Oh, dear! She raced up the steps and swept through the short hall into his room.
Taco, mommy's here honey. She stopped at his bed, looking scared.
I said I was getting better.
Taco? His mother tilted her head. But CowboyNeal told me... Her tits hung down out of line with her cute belly button.
He ran out the door before Taco could tell him. Hemos stepped up, behind the adult woman.
It's my fault mom. Taco gulped. Now he had to remember what to say, but his mother's body was so close and so anxious. His growing prick sucked at his mind. I told him I had a pain in my neck, but when I looked at your photos it went away.
I'm such a dummy. CowboyNeal breathed rapidly. I thought you said you got the pain when you looked down.
I guess it was a silly mistake. Hemos moved closer behind Taco' mother.
What photographs are you talking about? Cmdr Taco's mom then noticed the glossy prints at the foot of the bed.
The three boy's froze at her question. She didn't know? What was going to happen when she looked at them?
Good Heavens! Cmdr Taco's mom shouted. She grabbed at the photos, sweeping them into a loose pile and picking them up. Where did you get these?
But mom, you... Taco' started.
These are disgusting! She dropped the photos. They fluttered down scattered across the carpet. She was half a second from exploding.
Taco knew he had to say something. OWWW!! It was the first thing that entered his head. He clutched at his neck.
Oh, I'm sorry baby! His mother leaned over her son. Concern reasserted itself across her face. She covered his hand with hers.
It's your fault, Mrs. Malda. If you hadn't... Hemos didn't say what. You've got to do something! He slowly reached his arms around the mother's waist, without touching her.
Taco, Taco, what can I do for you? A madness of helplessness overwhelmed her previous disgust. She leaned fully on the bed with her other hand. Her tits waved before her son like magicians' wands and her ass and pink cunt pointed directly at Hemos.
Stay right there mommy. I need you. Taco looked up at his mom. He couldn't quite see what Hemos was doing, but the boy's pants fell down to his knees.
Why were you looking at those naughty pictures?
They were helping Taco get better, Mrs. Malda. Hemos spoke softly from behind. He hesitated to touch her. He wanted to so badly!
CowboyNeal said the right thing, finally. When you took them away, that's when he got the pain. See, I told you! He didn't know Taco had been faking.
Yeah, he needs to look at you to get better. Hemos grasped at thin air.
Is that right, honey? Do you have to look at your naked mommy to feel better?
Uh, Taco swallowed. I-I think so, mom. Please, don't move. His eyes absorbed the firmness of her tits, their round shape seemed to glow at the edges. Even the small hairs hiding her cunt from them seemed to light the way. The bulge in his blanket stood up like a volcano.
You want me to keep perfectly still? Cmdr Taco's mom asked softly?
No matter what happens, Mrs. Malda. Hemos said with authority. It the only thing that can take away his pain. He needs you. The situation amazed him, but he wasn't going to let this golden opportunity get away. He tightened his arms until he was hugging the mature woman softly. She inhaled.
But she didn't move.
CowboyNeal and Taco were thunderstruck as Hemos reached between the mother's thighs and touched her cunt. It was wet from stress.
Please Taco, I want you to get better no matter what happens.
It was all your fault. Hemos prompted.
It was all my fault. She echoed with a sniff.
You'd do anything for him. Hemos added.
I-I'd do anything for you. Cmdr Taco's mom squeezed lightly on her son's hand holding his neck to reaffirm her commitment.
Mrs. Malda are you going to let Hemos fuck you? CowboyNeal, stepped back at the sight. He was astonished at the sight of his best friend pushing his rock hard cock into the space between the legs of his other best friend's mother.
Don't move mommy. Taco spoke as if entranced. She tensed every muscle tight, and the two juicy tits, hanging before his eyes, jiggled in response. His cock grew harder, harder than it had ever been.
He saw Hemos's hands reach around her waist and catch her belly. His mother's body blocked his friend's face and torso. His legs spread out from behind her and his knees bent as he leaned into Taco' mother. A hot young cock eased into her folds.
She grimaced and frowned, as if hurt, but she didn't once move. Her son stared into her confused eyes. His hand wrapped itself around his diamond hard prick. He couldn't help but jack himself. The sight of his mother's body slowly rocking over him was too much.
Oh god, She's hot and wet. Hemos groaned.
CowboyNeal had his cock out in his little hands too. Taco flashed him a glance. His youngest friend was drooling. If only Taco could see the reflection in his friend's eyes, then he might actually see Hemos's cock driving into his mom.
Taco strained his head to look between his mother's legs, but her thighs were to close together. The thick plaster of his cast conspired to restrict his angle. He could only see a few curling, red-brown hairs that quivered as his mother clenched her groin involuntarily. He looked at his own cock, and imagined pushing it into his mommy's pussy. His hairless staff was drooling worse than CowboyNeal.
Cmdr Taco's mom moaned softly, from the back of her throat. She gripped her son's bed sheets tightly as the boy behind her pushed. His hands pulled her onto him, relaxed and repeated. The bed rocked and creaked.
This is fantastic! Your mother's hot cunt is slicking me with her juice. Hemos called out to his buddy. He pushed into her faster.
Suddenly his mother spoke.
Taco, i-is this h-helping? Her lips trembled.
He locked his eyes on hers. Oh, yes mommy. It's incredible!
She smiled at her son. Cmdr Taco's mom looked as if her dementia had fallen away and it was replaced with earnest sexual need. Please Hemos, go deep. It has to be done right, for Taco' sake.
What has to be done right? Hemos snickered.
You have to fuck me. You have to push your cock into my mommy cunt to help my poor son.
I am pushing, and I'm fucking you. I'll fuck you even harder.
Slapping sounds grew loud in the room. Taco was pile driving his boner, and CowboyNeal was smacking his own little prick nearly as fast. Hemos's head was flung in the direction opposite his waist. His cock bored into the dripping cunt that wrapped his iron bar of meat. His arms, wrapped around the mature woman's thighs and his hands pulled her pussy onto his cock.
Smacking and slapping and slurping filled the room.
Oh yes, that's it. I'm so close. Your cock is fantastic in my cunt. Keep... pushing, fucking. Ohhhhh, my cunt has never been this wet.
Damn, your mother is like a bitch dog. I saw my shepherd take on a pack of mongrels once. You mother is so hot.
Yeah, uuunnnggg, it's better than porn on my dad's cable. CowboyNeal was about to spit his juice. He couldn't last much longer. The matronly woman, fucked from behind his best friend, her tits flying like baseballs, it was too much.
Squirt off, twerp. Hemos wasn't in the mood for any more talk. He just wanted to pound his prick into this wet garden of soft flesh forever. His balls trembled with predictions of the future.
Taco, are you watching? It's helping, right? Oooohhhhhh, it's helping your mother too. I feeeeel soooo... fucked! Cmdr Taco's mom spoke deliriously, and she began to give back as good as she was getting.
Taco watched his mother push back into his friend's thrusting, and his mind leapt with emotion. His cock jerked inside his grasp and spurts of hot cum jetted across his belly. Shots of white jism leapt up and scored on his mom's tits.
Hemos started yelling. Ohh!! I'm cumming in your mother!
CowboyNeal's sperm shot all over the carpet. He was hunched over in spasms of delight. Mommy!! He yelled like the little boy he was.
Finally, Cmdr Taco's mom's eyes opened wide as she trembled from head to toes. Her belly convulsed and she shouted. Fuck me! Oohhh FUCK!!! Her orgasm echoed in the small room filled with young boys.
Bodies collapsed into a heap on the bed. She lay among them for only a short while.
--
Cmdr Taco's mom sat up slowly extracting herself from the exhausted grips of her abusers. Recent events flooded her thoughts and she found herself crying.
First she had begun to dress like a slut, and then continued to strip herself, day by day until she paraded around her son and his friends fully naked. Then they had taken pictures of her, and finally her soft cunt was fucked by Hemos until they had all cum, inside her and out.
It had been horrible, she gasp and swallowed her tears. How could she have ever let things go so far? She hadn't even noticed herself slip into the roll of incestuous seductress. It had seemed so important, in the context of her son's accident. Even now, as she thought about her son's original fall her heart skipped a beat. The child was in a cast, with recurring pains. He might have been faking it this afternoon, but even then she could not help but forgive him. Now she only had to somehow forgive herself.
Then she looked at her son. His eyes were open but bleary from his intense climax. He smiled at her, and then she felt his body beneath her as she lay under the naked flesh of Hemos and CowboyNeal. Her son's prick began to strengthen.
He reached out and touched her nipple with his good arm. Other limbs moved across her flesh, and small hands pawed and prodded. They were followed by lips and tongues. Soon, bodies grew hot again, and little cocks wriggled into wet crevices.
Taco watched his mother drown in a pool of little boys and sink out of his sight.
THE END
"You're just scared like a little white pussy. I'll fuck you till you love me, you faggot!"
"Who is michael and why are all his posts judged frontpage worthy and mine not so?
:-) Still, who wouldnt know you're a editor?
Is this some sort of joke?"
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Hmm, wonder who modded him down.. Michael
While Gentoo does rock, I don't suggest any of the cutting edge stuff for production boxes. While that's a given for the most part, the ease with which Gentoo allows you to install new and tempting things may make it harder for some to resist. (Emerge just rules.)
;) ).
Installing Gnome2 and then Evolution left me with no X/Window Manager (or, rather, Gnome 1.4 and Gnome2 at the same time). The machine I did this on is one I use to fool around with, but in a production environment, I suggest avoiding the temptations Gentoo puts before you and sticking with the tried and true (ie, Gnome 1.4 if you like Gnome, and whatever the stable version of KDE is
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I've been using Gentoo for the last couple months and I have to say that Gentoo has really restored the sense of wonder I had when I set up my first install of Slackware years ago. I was skeptical at first but Gentoo has so totally won me over that I can't imagine going back to anything else. I think if Gentoo ever failed I would probably go to something like BSD now.
Gentoo probably isn't really a newbie distro since it has no automatic installation or setup, but then again I know some people have been able to manage it on only some limited experience from Redhat or Mandrake. It really makes you understand how your system is set up and works to a degree that most of the package based distros don't but also feels far "cleaner" than Slack (my previous favorite) or LFS. I've learned more about Linux in a couple months of Gentoo than in a year of Redhat, and I'm happier with my setup and customization than I ever have been before.
Also, Gentoo is FAST. I run it on a somewhat older laptop (Celery 500, 128 MB) and though the compiles do take quite some time for large packages like KDE and X, the system really does have a much faster "feel" to it than in other distros. I don't have any hard data on it but the speed increase was enough to be quite noticable going from Redhat.
Anyway, I've been 99% satisfied with Gentoo and I'd recommend it to anyone with a little Linux experience (though definitely not as a server distro) who wants to have fun with a desktop Linux setup. Now if I could only tear myself away from tinkering with my Gentoo and find time to work ;)
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Gnu's Not Unix, but it sure feels great in my ass!!!
Please sir, I request that you publish this in Penthouse Forum. At the very least forward this to RMS since he has so much experience with homosexual geek orgies.
...damn long!
Gentoo Linux or for that matter all source derived distributions cost a lot of time waiting for a compile and a lot of energy hours of CPU usage for compilation.
This will increase the greenhouse effect and melt the icecaps. Then the only gentoo surviving will be those in zoos and those on harddisks.
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
can i lick you nut sack?
The GNU/Stallman diaries. Issue 2.
:( <--- thats a sad face! Eric showed me it on his AOL account. Look at it sideways and you'll see!
Greetings Comrades! Welcome to issue 2 of the GNU/Stallman diaries!
This issue contains part 1 of a 2 part story. I had to split it into two because GNU/Hurd keeps crashing!
Yesterday my good friend Eric called me on the telephone and suggested I take a break from writing GNU/Hurd and that we take a visit to the Zoo. I told him he was crazy and that GNU/Hurd and the glorious peoples revolution it will create were far more important!
"But Dick," said Eric. "They have a butterfly show on today."
Well! If it's got butterflies, I'm there! So off we went to the Zoo!
Eric is a little slow, he has Downs Syndrome or something, so the walk to the Zoo took about 3 hours. When we finally arrived I saw huge posters covered in pretty butterflies! I was so excited!
No sooner had we walked in the gates when Eric needed to go to the toilet. I told him to go before we left but would he listen? Oh no of course not! Luckily I had my bone flute so I got it out and had a quick play whilst waiting for Eric.
Poor Eric, he recently lost his job. Something to do with carpentry at a hospital I think. Planks or boards had something to do with it and it may have been a veterans hospital. I'm none too sure though. I'm always too busy with the GNU/Hurd and filosi^H^H^H^H^H^H philosa^H^H^H^H^H^H^H thinking about the glorious uprising of the oppressed working class and unwashed masses rising up in a glorious peoples revolution of Cheap Software against the evil tryanny of expensive supported corporate closed software that has created a world of bureaucratic mind control of the masses of oppressed peopl...
Errr. Sorry about that. Now where was I...
Oh yes - butterflies! Everyone knows I like butterflies. I have a big paper one stuck to my computer that I made and colored in myself. I like to look at it while I play with my bone flute.
Eric finally finished his toilet business and we could finally get to see what we had come for.
To be Continued...
The capitalist system carried within itself the seeds of its own destruction. - Carl Marx
Doesn't naming a Linux distro after a religion violate some sort of public license?
(it could be that I really am that stupid)
MOD UP!
One of the attractive features to me is that everything is built from source and optimised for the machine it is running on. The reason this is attractive is because I have a number of older machines which I want to "squeeze" as much as I can from.
However, being older machines some do not have cdrom drives, only floppy drives and network connections. Given that most of the gentoo install is done on the network anyway, it's a shame the install discs provided are only cdroms.
If anyone has a "HOWTO install gentoo from floppy" I would be happy to know about it.
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Its basically a beta that will always be beta.
Gentoo's great, if you have a Pentium-or-better machine (for the partially-built distro) and a bootable CD-ROM. Don't even bother if you can't boot from CD, and good luck if you try to do a "live" install from an existing Linux installation. A good alternative is LFS, which accomplishes much of what Gentoo has set out to accomplish but without all of the superfluous extras. More importantly, LFS is meant to be built using an existing (if possibly broken) Linux platform. If building a Linux system from scratch is what you're looking for, LFS certainly delivers.
And since you compiled it all yourself, they're sort of your fault, too! You can send a bug report to yourself!
The mexicans were again defeated today by the powerful United States.. much like as in the US-Mexican war.
The mexicans proved that, not only are they physically filthy, they also play filthy soccer. #18 for the mexican team, Poncho Via, was redcarded in the final minutes for throwing a flying headbutt.
All you mexicans may now resume smuggling drugs and fucking donkeys. Thank you.
Love,
Reikk
I've been using Gentoo since Slashdot's last story on them, and I have had nothing but good experiences. The portage system has made my system noticeably faster, since my binaries finally are not optimized for a 386. The ease of applying my own patches on top of the normal package source is also a major selling point. The nice people at Gentoo even added the driver for my printer to Ghostscript's source, something I used to have to do by hand.
But the coolest feature (besides portage) is the beautiful init script infrastructure. The init scripts are the prettiest of any I've seen so far, and also the easiest to modify. Having all the configuration files in plain-text is a very nice thing.
Sorry if this is redunant, because I'm sure everyone already knows that GENTOO IS GREAT!
Actually it's not that hard.. You just need to have a boot disk that will allow you network support and some file transfer protocol. tomsrtbt and mulinux come to mind.
Instructions:
Mount the CD on some computer with a cd-rom and network support.
Follow boot disk instructions to get the computer that Gentoo Linux is going to be installed on running and the network up.
Look at Normal Instructions and Skip steps 1 - 5; Follow step 6 (partitions) and 7 (mounting); skip 8; and for step 9, instead of copying from cd-rom, copy stages from the network (using whatever protocol meets your fancy); then continue on with the rest of the instructions.
However, I've really gotten attached to RedHat's "up2date" utility that I can use to manage my system. I just queue my rpms and up2date gets them for me. Package dependencies are taken care of and my system "profile" lets me know what security issues I need to be aware of.
I wonder how well Gentoo's security is. Since this distro isn't really a distro in the sense that we are used to, do the install scripts automatically run everything setuid or what?
Inquiring minds want to know.
when the US has just SHUT OUT MEXICO to advance to the quarterfinals?
This isn't meant to be trolling ...
With the previous discussion whether source based distros or binary distros are better I wonder, why you can't simply download a binary distro and recompile all important packages from the Source RPMS. So you can get the comfort from e.g. Mandrake with the efficiency of e.g. Gentoo.
Is it a possible way to enhance a binary based distibution with a recompilation feature?
Bye egghat.
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
I can't get it to update packages. My proxy(SOCKS 5)
just doesn't play well. Anyone got a socks proxy working with gentoo?
CLIT should release a Cunni Lingux distribution.
I saw Gentoo a while ago and thought i would giving it a try, boasting an excellent portage system and a tiny initial download. The portage system is the best i have found, even compared to the FBSD Ports its is, i think, by far superior, giving you an interface very similar to apt-get and dpkg to install the ports. The install, even though time-consuming, is actually very straight forwards, whter beginner, experienced admin, or hardened guru, you will get along with it just fine. Everything is compiled from source, so true enough, its not really suited to a slow machine. Unless your a very patient person, or its designed to be a server. However even though i think binary packages might be a good idea for those who dont want to compile, the system becomes extremely fast due to optimizations in the compile process. The website is comprehensive and the people at Gentoo exceptionally happy to help you out. if you find it hard to get an answer then let me know! ill help you! The bleeding edge software that theyre happy to supply, and the very latest in everything is an extreme advantage when coming form a debian backgroud. finally you dont have things breaking, and you dont have to trapes around looking for latest updates or debs. just emerge rsync, and get the latest one! Gnome2 is exceptionally nice! :)
But i guess you guys should try it out for yourself.
im sure you wont be dissapointed
"After being a fanatical Debian-user for four years, Gentoo was a "love at first sight".. :) I've been running Gentoo for about a year now and always when I find out about a new detail about it, I think to myself "Yes, this is how it SHOULD have been in the other distros also"..
...
The only thing I'm missing is a way to make "recursive" library updates.. For example, if I upgrade libSDL to a new version, all apps that depends on SDL should be recompiled automatically.. There is still no easy way to do this in Gentoo, but I heard that it is comming in portage v2..."
What kind of shit is this? Yeah, this is a real convenience oriented distribution, just following in the likes of apt-get and such
it's amazing how people jump onto the stupidest fucking bandwagons these days.
r vary 1337! cn i sck u off plz? k thx!
We should petition the Jim Henson Company to make a singing Goatse muppet.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF WHITESPACE?
use the fucking br tag or post in plain text ffs...sheez fucking open sores hippes! go take a bath!
Given that the penguin has a latin name, should the full name of this distro be:
Connochaetes taurinus/Pygoscelis papua Linus ?
How many years behind XP is this distro?
Is the fact that the issue is one of control, not source-v-binary. In this case you suggest, the question would be, 'Which packages are important?'
If you want a desktop, you will have different needs to desiring a server. You will want eye-candy. So who decides what the important packages are?
Policy dictates, if you use Debian. Something or other, if you use Red Hat or Mandrake. Gentoo and LFS put the control in your hands.
Doing what you suggest can be done, but the question of control then comes up. Either you trust others to know their Linux (binary), or you dig yourself and come up with the goods (source).
For me, it's Debian unstable. I don't have time to look at recompiling all the source for any machine at the moment, though I won't rule it out. And I have no problem whatsoever following what the Debian Project recommends as the results have been nearly perfect thus far.
It really depends on what you want to do.
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${IPTABLES} -t filter -P INPUT ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -P OUTPUT DROP
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${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s male/16 --sport penis --dport mouth -j ACCEPT
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${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s male/16 --sport finger --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES} -t filter -A INPUT -p protected -s male/16 --sport fist --dport anus -j ACCEPT
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${IPTABLES) -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s female/16 --sport fist --dport anus -j ACCEPT
${IPTABLES) -t filter -A INPUT -p unprotected -s female/16 --sport finger --dport anus -j ACCEPT
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It seems that Gentoo was a south african word, used as an international term for a 'prostitute'. I just wonder whether it is an appropriate word-relationship for a linux distribution. I mean, you get linux for free rather than pay for it.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie...."
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rpm --rebuild
heh, I did this with redhat over the years and while it can be done, it just doesn't seem natural. Tarballs are easy to work with if a person likes to have the source as a quick reference to why things work. Having a source tree available is like having the most comprehensive man pages if I want to know the most obscure details.
With a source based distribution, the temptation to tinker and try interesting hacks out is overwhelming. Gentoo provides an environment that is friendly for making changes if one wants control how far across the system modifications will reach. I don't see how it would be possible for rpm --rebuild to recompile just the system or selected parts of the world, while emerge makes this easy.
Someone is working late.
slashdot never sleeps, its CPU cycles keep on ticking.
(whispering...) we have secretly replaced slashdot with a computer and internet connection. Let's see if anyone notices...
Is there a way to install stuff like gcc 3.1 with gentoo? An unstable package tree or something? emerge doesn't find that kind stuff
 
The real question, in my little mind, is why they're too mean to call it "Gentoo GNU/Linux." It makes me sad.
*Sniff*,
Jeff
Property is theft.
This is one week old "news"!?
hmmm the article said I love Emerge ?
I tried Emerging love but nothing happend.
just symlink /etc/make.profile /usr/portage/profiles
to the gcc make profile in
I've never heard of this, I must have missed the last slashdot article on it.
On their web site they suggest buying a cd from:
http://www.tuxcds.com/
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
The article doesn't mention Gentoo/Linux is now available also on Sparc, PPC and a MIPS port is also underway.
They say their distribution is geared at power users. That being the case, most of their user base will be installing on higher end machines, IMO. If you are looking to install on a lower than Pentium Pro, this may not be the best distribution for you anyway. Plenty of other distributions are compiled for i386.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
I have a question for anyone who uses this.
Is there measurable speed increase by using this distribution, or do you really just save a couple microseconds here and there?
I would like to consider myself a fairly experienced linux user. I have done my fair share of deep digging into my first pre kernel2.0 slackware system through my curent one. May it be worth my time to attempt to convert my RedHat 7.2 Dell lAttitude C800 to this? I use it for java development (IDEA rocks!), and related web work.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
It is official; National Geographic confirms: Gentoo Penguins are dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Gentoo Penguin population when the Australian Antarctic Data Centre confirmed that the Gentoo Penguin habitat has decreased yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of Antartica. Coming on the heels of a recent National Geographic survey which plainly states that Gentoo Penguins have lost more habitat, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Gentoo Penguins are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Penguin population counts.
You don't need to be an Eskimo to predict Gentoo Penguin's future. The hand writing is on the iceberg: Gentoo Penguins face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Gentoo Penguins because Gentoo Penguins are dying. Things are looking very bad for Gentoo Penguins. As many of us are already aware, Gentoo Penguins continue to lose habitat. Red blood flows like a river of, well, blood.
The colony on the Antartic Peninsula is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its population. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Gentoo Penguins Ikky and Wokky only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Gentoo Penguins are dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. Gentoo Penguin leader Kowikki states that there are 96610 Gentoo Penguins in South Georgia. How many Gentoo Penguins are there in the Iles Kerguelen? Let's see. The number of South Georgia versus Iles Kerguelen posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 96610/5 = 19322 Gentoo Penguin on the Iles Kerguelen. Falkland Island posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Iles Kerguelen posts. Therefore there are about 9661 Gentoo Penguins on the Falklands. A recent article put the Antartica Peninsula colonies at about 80 percent of the total Gentoo Penguin population. Therefore there are (96610+19322+9661)*4 = 502372 Gentoo Penguins on the Antartic Peninsula. This is consistent with the number of Antartica Peninsula Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of the Antartic Peninsula, abysmal fishing success, and so on, the Peninsula colonies died out and the bodies were scattered around the region, and have in turn infected all the other colonies.
All major surveys show that Gentoo Penguins have steadily declined in population and habitat. Gentoo Penguins are very sick and their long term survival prospects are very dim. If Gentoo Penguins are to survive at all it will be among hippy nature-loving dilettante dabblers. Their bodies continue to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save them at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Gentoo Penguins are dead.
Fact: Gentoo Penguins are dying
No security through obscurity: my password is goatse. Stop me before I troll again.
I am a former FreeBSD user who installed Gentoo Linux after reading about it on Slashdot a couple of months ago. I am still amazed how well it is designed and documented! If you don't believe me, just go to here and have a look. I now have a fully operational (sound, video - everything works!) desktop system which is far better than any *BSD system could deliver. I have learned to enjoy the sheer speed and performace I get when I use Gentoo Linux. Native NVidia video drivers and ALSA sound makes my desktop experience enjoyable. Perhaps the most coolest thing about Gentoo is the portage system, which is a nail in FreeBSD's coffin. It is the most advanced ports system you will find in the whole world.
I lived on a slow P100 running linux for quite a long time (bought an Athlon last year, now waiting for the 10GHz) and optimized everything I were running,
The pentium compiler group (based on optimization changes done by intel back in -96) faq http://www.goof.com/pcg/pgcc-faq.html#SEC0119 says you can generally expect a 5% speed (and sometimes up to 30%, but thats rare) increase by using pentium specific switches - which of some I suspect has found it's way into gcc 3.0
on mpg123 on my P100 I actually got 5-7% lowering of cpu usage by using pgcs =)
The real speed benifit though is not Pentium / Athlon specific optimizations, they're mainly in -fomit-frame-pointer (an optimization which mainly isn't performed on base system binaries since it makes your system UNDEBUGGABLE) I noticed that -funroll-loops actually did some wonders to my binaries too..
Also, the new Gnome2RC1 has some great optimizations for speed...
These days my system is so fast an snappy anyways so I don't optimize anything but very CPU intensive applications
-mcpu=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops
Now, I'm going to keep backin' up my system in order to try gentoo!
Convenience oriented as opposed to what? pain in the ass oriented? Computers are supposed to be a solution not a problem. If you're thinking compiling everything by hand makes you "eleet" or something, it doesn't, it just shows the world you have way to much time on your hands. And that you like to be a human dependency resolver, heh.
However, recompiling every app becuase a library got updated doesn't sound convenient at all. That sounds like a fucking huge waste of resources. Gee, instead of having someone at the distro that specializes (ya this is basic adam smith shit here) in making packages for the distro and then everyone just downloads that and uses it (debian) everyone using the distro has to download the source and compile it all. Oh yes for the 10% boost you might get between 386 and 686 that's really worth the waste! *sigh*
A simple WHOIS shows that it's registered to some finnish dude. Why should we think anything on there is even credible (I mean did you even read it???)
Quite possibly the best feature is the ability to update critical packages with a single command. When the latest OpenSSH hole was discovered, the Gentoo developers had a new ebuild package up on their rsync mirrors within a few hours . All it took on my Gentoo boxes was a simple:And it was done. My collegues on their HP-UX boxes were spending their day looking for patches from HP's site while I was back relaxing a reading
-brain
yeah right. I have used gentoo for a month now. One thing I can recommend is "RTFgF" or "Read The Fuck'n gentoo Forum" before you get all exited!
;).
If you have time (days) to get everything installed and you really like to spend time on getting your sound working and lets say u like to use USB mouse... rrrr
just read the gentoo forum and be ready to spend your weekend indoors
(I rather spend my weekends at the beach with naked girls and warm surf (summer in europe rules)
The 1.3b_test just went online for download yesterday morning. It blows 1.2 away - completely based on gcc3.1 for a sweet performance increase. 1.2 is based on gcc2.95.
;o)"
From the changelog:
"The 1.3 series is meant to get Gentoo ready for total world domination with Gentoo 1.4
I haven't had many compile issues with it yet - this is a distro to watch out for.
Is this what you meant?
Shinto, possibly with another spelling, is a Japanese religion AFAIK.
As I'm right at the opposite side of the globe, it took me several minutes to figure this -- mainly because I pronounce "gentoo" very differently from "shinto".
Nevertheless, that must be funny for English-speaking dudes.
Quite right. Thankfully, the Linux/Unix world is not limited x86!
If VISTA is the answer, you didn't understand the question
Well, I'm a FreeBSD user, and the ports system lives by that method. portupgrade -raP recompiles every updated port on your system. True, recompiling mAY be slower, but with a cronjob it's done automatically. Stripped binaries and tuned to my exact specifications is a dream
If you're not a Liberal in your 20's, then you have no heart.If you're still a Liberal in your 30's you have no brain.
Consider a job as a professional reviewer.
:^P
I read Linux sites *a lot* everyday and yours is one of the best answers in the last times. Don't know if you can continuously come up with things like this... if so, someone should really hire you.
Congrats and thanks for the tips!
PS: Change your nick, dude, it's lame!
If you already have gentoo installed, there's no need to reinstall. Just do (as root) emerge rsync; emerge --update world Then you'll be on the cutting edge(again)
Still, many are wondering if Debian will ever be able to release a 'stable' (as classified by them officially) 2.4 Kernel and all the things that depend on it.
Instrustions for network install of gentoo.
Odd. I just installed on a box here a few days ago on a system that can't boot from a CD. It's only a 500mhz pentium machine. I just booted using grub and tftp and mounted the cd and went from there. Took me a couple days to build everything but it works great.
"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
--James Madison
Good grief. Sorry about the title distraction. Mozilla must've grabbed that title from a previous post and filled it in.
There's no need to list them here. Go to distrowatch and have a look! There is the top 10 list on the right side of that page.
That's what I get for reading with my filter on...
Oh, yeah, I also couldn't get KDE to compile with `-O3 -mcpu=i686' on a fairly new Dell Xeon machine. I'd get all sorts of random errors like 'Illegal instruction', so I had to build all KDE packages with "-mcpu=i486", then I tried i686 again and the kdebase package compiled successfully this time! The mailing lists just advise to play with the compile options in order to get KDE working. Weird.
Bush Lies Watch
Make sure you turn on the glx module - it's near the top. XF86Config dosen't turn it on automatically.
I've been a Gentoo user for 7 months now, and I do like the "cutting edge" aspect of it, but this "up to dateness" comes at a cost. Because the distro is actually one that you build with the tools that Gentoo provides, it's possible that no one is using it with the same versions of x, y and z that you have.
This makes stability a huge issue, and on several occasions I've had to rebuild programs because they got borked by an update of something else. Also, I've had emerge f#*k my system so badly that no one on the forums could help me, and I required a "from scratch" install.
I've been using Linux (Slackware, Debian, SuSE, etc..) for 5 or 6 years in an academic and work environment, and at this point I often feel Gentoo is more trouble than it's worth.
Having said that, Gentoo is the distro I'm running right now...
JUST BE CAREFULL.
-... ---
While Gentoo does rock, I don't suggest any of the cutting edge stuff for production boxes.
... but again, I was able to back out stuff quite easilly, and the benefits of having current stuff that does work makes this added burden very worthwhile IMHO.
... something that in many cases simply isn't acceptable (though in some cases it can be ... I do have an old GNU/Linux 2.0.x box that hasn't been upgraded in years, because it is behind a much more current firewall and does its one simple task just fine). Gentoo (and Source Mage, to be fair) solves this problem by giving you pretty good stability while allowing you to run very up-to-date software.
One should always do significant testing before rolling something out for production use. This is true whether or not the software in question is "cutting edge."
That having been said, there can be real advantages to using up-to-date software in a production environment. You may need the new features (e.g. X support of a new touchscreen the tablets you want to deploy require) or bugfixes (KDE 3.0.1 v. KDE 2.2.1 is a good example here), so cutting edge software, while it should be treated with caution, can be very beneficial.
The key is rigorous testing prior to deployment, so while this means the software your using will likely be at least a month or two old, it can still be pretty cutting edge if that is what is required, and it holds up in testing. In our case, X 4.2 was deployed very quickly (within 6 weeks of its release), as was KDE 3.x, while other "cutting edge" stuff, like gcc 3.x, probably won't be deployed for another 6 months because it didn't hold up in testing.
You are right, though, Gentoo (and Source Mage, for those who like trying out a pallate of different source based distros) can lead one into temptation. I've installed and backed out more than one bleeding edge app on my home machine for just this reason
At the other extreme, Debian's 2-year-old plus 'stable' distro isn't the answer. With the speed with which free software evolves, running 2 year-old free software is analogous to running 10-year old proprietary software
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Getting pristine sources from the net everytime you build is nice, unless you are trapped on a 56k line, or off-line totally.
Is there anyway to download all the pacakges locally then install from that to the off-line/slow machine?
Didnt see it in their docs... course i could be blind too.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Pulling it out of my ass, I'm willing to bet most of the perceived speedup probably comes from custom compilation of glibc and XFree86.
...or does Gentoo sound like something I stepped in?
How in the world did you get modded down, especially twice? That's just wrong, and I'm willing to lay my karma on the line for it.
Will some moderator please mod back up the above two, especially the second one, there's no possible justification for their modding down. Really, that's just wrong.
One thing I liked about FreeBSD is the option for a ppp modem dialup install. This would be a neat feature for computers without broadband or for those of us that want to play with a semi-worthless option.
I've been looking for a gcc3.1 based distro and last week I grabbed the gentoo 1.3a. I have 2 systems now running it (both duallies). A few headaches, esp with getting kde to run, but after fiddling with a few make flags for certain packages I got everything to run, and kde went stably for the time I ran it (my normal window manager is WindowMaker). The problems I've seen on the recent stuff has been kernel stability, but the answer to that is to NOT run xfs and to grab the vanilla 2.4.18 sources and build those (both machines are duallies). I've been able to play Urban Terror (quake3 based) with no crashes whatsoever.
After running redhat and mandrake for years now I'm happy to be back in a grass roots distro where I can easily grab new stuff and optimize the snot out of it!
Yes, but BSD ports and portage are *far* more elegant than apt or rpm has ever been.
I've used the latest versions of Mandrake, RedHat, Debian, Slackware, and FreeBSD. I'll stick with Gentoo, as it gives me everything I want, and nothing that I don't want. I can be on the 'cutting edge' of software, and still be stable. Paired up with PartImage I can back up my system with a few clicks, update the packages with 'emerge --update world' and in the (VERY) RARE instance I have a problem, I can restore my system from a set of CDs, or another disk in my system. I'm not a newbie, but not a super-duper-l337-advanced user either, but Gentoo's allowed me to learn a ton more than the RH-based distros ever would have. And, it's friggin lightning fast on my VIA C3 900MHz system w/ 512MB RAM.
I finally deleted my Windows partition. I figured that, as long as I'm messing with my partitions, I may as well ditch Mandrake 8.2 for a ``real'' distribution in the process.
I set apart all of Saturday to scrounge through my system to find and backup all my data files, and then to download and install Gentoo 1.2. So far, I have been mildly impressed. I have run into the following problems though:
I live on-campus, and my school blocks port 80 and makes everyone go through The Great Proxy Server. This does not jive well with emerge. The installation instructions, which I printed out before starting, say something about setting the HTTP_PROXY variable in the /etc/make.conf file, which I tried setting, to no avail. I then set the environment variables. That didn't work either. I looked for Lynx, or something to browse the Web with, and nothing was available (please no smart comments about telnet, thank you very much).
My school maps my network account to the hardware address of my network card, so I couldn't just plug in my laptop to get net access to get more documentation. I was about to run out to a computer lab, when I realized that the Gentoo 1.2 installation environment included iptables (I have 2 network cards in my system)! After a little bit of NAT magic, I had my laptop on-line, and I checked the FAQ, which mentioned, ``Oh, and if setting the PROXY environment variables in make.conf doesn't work, set it in wget's configuration files.'' So it uses wget. Nice to know. Setting the proxy there worked, and I was on my way!
I set the USE variable in make.conf, and then started emerge'ing. I was a little worried about how the compile settings really would be (i.e., would X, qt, and KDE be compiled with the necessary flags to enable anti-aliased fonts? It turns out that they were.) Compiling KDE took the better half of the afternoon, since it had to compile X and qt first. It worked like a charm!
So far, the only problem has been trying to emerge openoffice. The first time I tried, it complained about gcc 2.95.3 (it wanted 3.0.4). After ebuild'ing gcc 3.0.4, it started up. A couple of hours later, it bombed on something about not finding javac. There's a line in openoffice-1.0.0-r1.ebuild that reads ``COMMONDEPEND='... >=virtual/jdk-1.3.1''', but it prompted me for my java directory, and I wasn't sure what to type in there. And javac isn't on my system now, although that dependency should have prompted emerge to install it.
Well, these kinds of problems can be easily resolved by hand, but it goes to show that it can be difficult to get everything right the first time around in something like Gentoo. mozilla compiled without a hitch, and as soon as I fired it up this morning, I found this story, and thought I'd post my experience for all to enjoy. Oh... and my mozilla compiled with anti-aliased fonts, by default!
An unjust law is no law at all. - St. Augustine
Gentoo is the penultimate Linux distro in my opinion.
Yeah, in mine too. Penultimate means "next to the last."
Debian is the ultimate Linux distro.
emerge gentoolkit
qpkg -f `which ls`
qpkg -I
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-security.html
How many distros have this quality of documentation?
I won't go into why, because I grow very weary of the "My Distro Rocks; Your Distro Sucks mines balls" arguements that seem to permeat the Linux community.
I think the whole Gentoo phenomenon is not the "my distro is better" arguement. It is the "my distro is newer" arguement. The same way Sawfish gets replaced with Metacity in GNOME2, or the way the KDE theme users go "ooh-ooh Liquid!, no wait - Keramic!, no - Crystal!
None is better than the other, people just like the newer one. It is not as cool to keep saying "Debian r0x0r my b0x0r!" for five years. (But it does.)
I can't give you hard benchmark figures, but I can give you personal experience. Redhat 7.2 in X on the machine was very slow. Switching VC's lagged, compiling the kernel in a Konsole would make the cursor lag around the screen and trying to load too many things really bogged the system down.
But, with a Stage1 Gentoo 1.1a install (Stage 1 compiles everything, Stage 2 and three use increasingly larger lists of precompiled binaries.) with CCFLAGS and CCXFLAGS set to '-O3 -mcpu=i686 -march=i686 -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -frerun-cse-after-loop -frerun-loop-opt -malign-functions=4' in make.conf, the system is decidedly faster in KDE3. I run XChat without gnome, Konsole, Konqueror, and the KDE desktop all compiled locally with the above optimizations. It's incredibly responsive and very very usable.
Emerging the gentoo-sources package will bring down a laundry list of kernel patches such as the pre-empt and latency packages and all sorts of fun stuff. The only snag there is that my laptop was done with XFS as it's sole filesystem, and pre-empt and XFS don't play well, at all.
Is it perfect? No. OpenOffice takes forever to load. Mozilla takes less time but it's still a while, but it runs very well once it's going. (This is binary OO and Moz, not compiled locally.)
The system just plain doesnt have the balls to run something like CrossoverPlugin with QT5, and compiling a kernel still bogs the system down a bit, but not as much as with redhat. It's still a very usable machine.
And, the biggie, "emerge KDE" took 12 hours. X took a bit less than that. A recent "emerge --update world" which updates every package on the system that's been updated on the main rsync/cvs tree took 24 hours. I have other machines that I use in the interim, so it's not a huge problem for me.
Let me agree with one thing alot of Gentoo fans here have said. This is not a dist for everyone. It's not something I'd use for my parents, for example. But it's not a hardcore experts only dist either.
Many here have made a big deal about "I don't want to have to compile everything." The thing is, you don't compile a thing. You never type make. Want XChat? type "emerge xchat" and portage will go out to the fast repository at ibiblio and download the tar.bz2, compile and install. You do nothing but the one command.
Want ImageMagick? type "emerge ImageMagick" and it'll do the same. Whoops, it wants libjpeg and libpng which you don't have installed? It'll go grab those too and install them first. You've typed exactly one command.
Sure, it takes longer to compile something than it does to install it from a binary rpm. That's a fact of life. But is it worth taking that time for binaries that run 5-10% faster because of the local optimizations? It is for me. I'm currently laying plans for a new desktop that's a dual AthlonMP 2100, with a make.conf flag to make with -j3 it'll compile pretty damn fast. And when the next Gentoo is released with gcc3, there will be athlon optimizations which will make the apps just that much faster.
I've turned several friends of mine on to Gentoo. Hardcore dist bigots who have all been incredibly impressed. I can't say enough nice things about it.
Every revision of redhat frustrated me more and more from the severe bloat. I had all but given up on Linux for OpenBSD. Gentoo has been impressive enough to pull me back from that brink. I've got a dual processor machine on the way (And OpenBSD has no SMP) and Gentoo got the nod. (Which, of course, the trolls will love, since, you know, BSD is dead)
Hi I am Manuel Portage. I am the sue against Gentoo enterprizes cuz they stole my fooking name. I have had portage name since 200 years since my familiy came from Spanish to Flordia. If the gentoo fookers will want to fuq with me i will fuc wit them MOTHERfukkers.
FUQ DANIEL FUKKING ROBBINZ FOR FUQING STEELING MY FUQING NAME MOTHERFUCCER
Not really, it's not the custom compliation that helps, it is the optimization.
I too have tried my hand at Gentoo and came away with a couple of impressions on it.
- It's a great idea. The next evolutionary step in OS development and distribution.
- It's an immature structure in it's handling of the Tree and needs to make some real work on that one.
What I mean by item two is this:I like the idea of using something like this. But not when a trivial install/update causes a broken library system ... and now I'm stuck. Specifically I was installing qmail and it barfed on a libc3.0 requirement that GenToo can't provide me, even with updates to the tree structure.
The one thing that Gentoo could really use, and it would come at a price is something similar to the Debian Development cycle of having unstable, testing, stable. This would allow me to tune the balance between Cutting Edge and Cutting Throat technology.
If Gentoo could put something like this into place, then they would have a system that is really capable of going someplace and it can serve the variety of philosophies between the stability requirements and the cool software requirements.
After the major problems I ran into on gentoo, I have since dropped it for the time being and will reconsider its use once this development cycle tree is modified to provide a better assurance of meeting the basic requirement of it just works. Until they [gentoo] is able to accomplish this goal, they will always be a distribution for playing with and never attain any level of serious consideration as a distribution. People simply cannot afford to have something suddenly break on them when they need it most.
The notion of providing a level of product performance equal to it just works must be made a requirement upon the developing community of any distribution that hopes to acheive any level of useage. The risk of upgrading something only to be met with countless hours of fiddling and tweaking trying to get a system to work again is not going to be suitable for anyone who is using Linux seriously. The dependency failures were enough for me to shelf the PC and resort to my Debian installation as the core because it just works. Forget that need of the user, and you will never be invited to the play with the Big Dogs.
There is a reason that source based Linux distributions havn't gained popularity until recently, and that is now the computers are getting fast enough to compile a complete Desktop computer. Moore's law is faster then the growth of the amount of code to be compiled, so it was bound to happen eventually.
I just shake my heads when I hear people using some 5, 8 year old computers with Gentoo. There are plenty of good distributions for those kinds of computers (like Debian, which steadfastly refuses to compile for any x86 other then 386. They say the speed benefit is not big enough, which may be the case.)
Did Linus develop Linux to work for computers that were several years old? No, you either had a 386 or you were screwed.
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For anyone that likes the GenToo way of doing things, i would recomend you check out /.
It DOES have the ability to do recursive builds, and seems to be QUITE stable and fast.
Lunar Linux
Lunar linux is the old sourcerer linux that has been talked about and praised a LOT in the past on
(stolen from DaBum) I am dyslexia of borg - your ass will be laminated.
By the screenshots of i and most importantly the comments here on ./ Gentoo looks to me kick ass, so I figure hey lets download it and play around with it. But from what I found its not freewear, its Linux based on profit, isnt that in a way agiant the the standards Linus, et at, establised. I really cant belive you people would really buy this and support thier hungry pockets and boosted egos
OMG http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gen too/images/shots/desktop-mjc.html.
Really ;-) I live installed Gentoo from Mandrake 8.1, as follows:
(1) I got the stage3 file, unzipped it into another partation
(2) I "chroot"ed into the partation, compiled a kernel ON THAT PARTATION, w/ext3 & my network card support
(3) I booted ONTO that partation, and did the standard "emerge" stuff .. piece of cake.
(4) Later, I removed my old linux and copied the respective parts of gentoo (/usr /var) into the previous partations.
It's much easier that it seems :-)
I decided to do an install of Gentoo 1.1 on my Ultra 30 in order to replace my Debian install (which I was testing and hadn't actually got around to using just yet).
Compiling stage 2 took hours. Granted, the UltraSparc was only at 300 Mhz. But you better have a lot of time to do your compiles. Anyways, I built GCC 2.95 but I'm guessing it was built as a 32-bit binary. I didn't want to spend the time compiling everything else as 32-bit considering how long stage 2 took, especially when I got some sort of OpenSSL error.
So I decided to re-install, this time choosing to compile GCC 3.1 first. Again, this took hours but did succeed. So I fired off the bootstrap script and GCC 3.1 tried to compile again. Unfortunately, this failed, and I was again left with a non-working Gentoo install.
I thought I'd give Gentoo another try and decided to cheat using the Stage 3 tarball. I was able to compile the kernel with egcs64 and was able to boot. However, I ended up having some sort of problem with my keyboard map. At that point, I'd had enough and decided to wipe it clean and reinstall Debian unstable.
Just a few days ago I wiped the system clean once again and did a bit of the install of SuSE 7.3 and I was definitely impressed by the installer. It was the first time I'd used SuSE, so it made a good impression.
Next I think I'll try Splack.
Gentoo definitely looks like a cool distro, but it needs a bit more polish on Sparc before it will see widespread use. I'm definitely looking forward to it's next revision. However, I was really hoping to do some testing of the latest open source goodness on UltraSparc... kernel 2.5, XFree 4.2 and Gnome 2/KDE 3.
I guess I'll have to wait a few months...
I wouldn't bet a lot on Gentoo's future. A quick look at the developers list shows that, while no few than three people have overlapping responsibility for foo, not a soul is looking out for bar. This is symptomatic of internal strife. Look for the rifts to widen over time, with dire consequences.
Really now... when people write these fanboy posts it really only makes them look like ignorant fools. While it does add your own experience to the statistical pool, it is not more or less relevant or valid than a post about it NOT working. Also, you must understand the nature of reality. In most systems like these, they are only as strong as their weakest link. So when someone says that they have had problems, and especially if they specify what exactly they were and give suggestions (although the original poster was not necessarily 'specific') then it only hurts the situation (and makes you a moronic twit) to belittle or contradict them. Fine you have had no problems... perhaps you would share the WHY's of your solution? Or is it that you just happened to have the 'correct' HW/SW configuration?
Another thing is that Debian's mistakes are being made with Gentoo. Denial will not help that. Ego will not help that. Logical acceptance of problems with a determined approach at fixing them will help.
This isn't really news because the only change between Gentoo 1.1a and 1.2 is that the make.conf file points to the round-robin dns for downloads of the portage in 1.2. *Any* version of gentoo has support for kde 3 because of the ability to "emerge -u kde" when kde3 is released (regardless of what version of gentoo you're using) and *any* version of gentoo can use the round-robin dns by changing just one line in the make.conf file.
It's a very different way of looking at things compared to other distros which use binaries (which means that new releases add new features).
However, in spite of this, Gentoo 1.3 *will* be worth announcing because it will mark the moment when one can easly build a system using gcc3.1 exclusivly (1.3 is in testing now and works for many people).
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
I would rather install Linux.
"The two most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." -Harlan Ellison
Well, perhaps it is so, but the gloriousness of Gentoo made me realize that our universe is quite very perfect. But then I beckoned to see the imperfections of several Linux distrobuttions, such as Debian.
Having an unnatural curiousity since childhood, I proceeded to read the works of Albert P. Einstein.
The following are notes from my research.
Particles are discrete, their energy is concentrated into what appears to be a finite space, which has definite boundaries and its contents we consider to be homogenous (the same at any point within the particle)
Particles exist at a specific location. If they are shown on 3D graph, they have x, y, and z coordinates. They can never exist in more than one place at once, and to travel to a different place in space, a particle must move to it under the laws of kinematics, acceleration, velocity and so forth.
Interactions between particles have been studied for many centuries, and a few simple laws underpin how particles behave in collisions and interactions.
The most primary of these are the conservation of energy and momentum which allow us to simplify calculations between particle interactions on scales of magnitude which vary between planets and quarks.
Waves unlike particles cannot be considered a finite entity. Their energy cannot be considered to exist in a single place since a wave by definition varies in both displacement and in time.
For example, a sound wave is a deformation in air pressure, and water waves a deformation of the water surface.
In an area of space, unlike a particle, a wave can propagate until it exists in all locations and at all times, mathematically we can use a pure sine wave as an example, which has no beginning or end, but repeats every 2. However, like particles, we can analyse a part or phase of the wave and obtain a value for its velocity within this area.
The experiments of the nineteenth century have caused the classical definitions of particles and waves to be blurred. We can no longer assume that waves behave consistently with the theories given in the previous section and are sometimes better applied to those of particles given in the first section.
The first phenomena that caused alarm to the standard wave theory was that of thermal radiation. By analysing the radiant intensity of electro-magnetic radiation across the whole spectrum at various given temperatures two things are noticed.
The total radiant intensity across the whole spectrum is a function of T to the fourth power. This is the area under each temperature curve.
A wavelength max corresponding to a maximum radiant intensity was observed for each given temperature( This was done by turning the wavelength into a function of angle by using a prism) As the temperature of the body increases the wavelength of maximum intensity decreases. It can be shown that max multiplied by T is a constant equal to 2.898E-3 m K.
So clearly, intensity of Electromagnetic waves depend on temperature. The problem of this experiment is that we have a complex situation where many other factors influence the result. The experiment can be simplified by using a blackbody as the source of radiation. A blackbody is a chamber whereby no incident electromagnetic radiation is reflected. To humans at ordinary temperatures this appears a dull black. From this experiment we know that:-
I like the idea of comiling everything for my machine, but why can't they just compile it for my proc? I mean is there really a larger difference between my 1400+XP Athlon and your 1200+ XP Athlon? Will GCC generate code that is better for my machine if I run it on mine as opposed to someone else doing it for me? I don't really think so. If another distro started to release builds for Athlons, P4s, P3s, etc. I think that would be a much better use of time and enegry (and I would actually run it). As opposed to having to install the SRPM (or tar.gz) and compile for your arch and system. :)
Though that is what makes linux fun sometimes.
I have an iBook and a firewire drive as well as a Celery 667. The goal is to get linux booting from the firewire drive on the iBook, so I can use Linux at home but still have all my iBook's hard drive for MacOS X while not at home. Currently I have MacOS X and Yellow Dog on the internal disk, and MacOS 9 on the firewire disk.
What I'd like is a method to cross build Gentoo on the PC for the iBook, as I like to actually use my iBook. I think it would be neat to be able to type something like "ebuild --root=/mnt/ppclinux --platform=ppc stage3" and have it build stage3 from scratch on the PC for the PPC.
The alternative is to build a custom kernel from within YellowDog which has built in (non-module) support for firewire, and initialize the installation from there starting at stage1 on the firewire disk. That could work too.
God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
Everything runs definitely a lot faster on Gentoo, compared to RedHat. I have two machines, one dual Athlon 1.8, one PIII. The PIII is triple boot Win98 (games for the kids), RedHat 7.2 and Gentoo. The Athlon is dual boot RedHat 7.3 and Gentoo.
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And yes, Gentoo runs A LOT faster on both machines compared to RedHat. Switching to RH on the dual Athlon gives me the impression that I lost a CPU, switching to Gentoo on the PIII gives me the impression a just bought a brand new machine, as simple as that
Yet another not-as-good-as-BSD *linux copycat wnabe Unix(tm). Just run FreeBSD and say no to copycat linux.
I've been using Gentoo for 3 months now (and Slackware for 3 years before that). I am VERY satisfied with Gentoo. It is very predictable, very easy to configure, and incredibly fast (curtousy of the ease of recompiling pretty much everything). Of course I will be 'emerge rsync'ing now, but I'm REALLY waiting for Gentoo 2.0 where they will move to gcc-3.1 (or maybe 3.2) as the default compiler. I have tested Gentoo 1.1a with gcc-3.1 and 99% of stuff compiled, but it was the 1% that didn't that ended up screwing things up. But anyway Gentoo is a great distro which stays very up-to-date and is maturing quite nicely.
Long live the compiler!
I tried it once or twice, and it didn't work, so I shy away from anything that has to be compiled. I guess that I am spoiled from installing Opera tarballs. They always work.
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>Okay, I'll bite. If Gentoo is the penultimate distro, what's the ultimate distro?
I guess that the only further step in that direction is Linux From Scratch? I guess that must be the ultimate.
In case the fellow who started this thread is wondering, penultimate means ``the one before the ultimate'', or next to last. Ultimate means the very last (and thus, in vulgar speach, the best).
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That made me chuckle.
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What changes will GCC3 make on the kernel? Is there something radically new going on, or is is just a bit better tuned and debugged?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Or maybe you're trying to build a special-purpose machine, like something small and portable, or trying to reuse an old machine as a firewall or print server, or it's a laptop that didn't have a CDROM when you acquired it and isn't made any more.
I've got a labful of antiques at work, because procuring modern machines requires a Budget, while procuring leftover fully-depreciated boxes that the Centralized MIS Bureaucracy doesn't want any more gives me machines that are usually just fine for pinging and tracerouting to -- in a router training application, you need lots of endpoints that don't need to be very bright. Antique laptops are especially nice for this, because they don't take much space in a rack.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks