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Cowboy Bebop Film's American Premiere Announced
From the Big Apple Anime Site "The Big Apple Anime Fest 2002 (BAAF 2002) is proud to announce that the festival will premiere the theatrical English dub version of "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie" on August 30th, 8:00pm at Loews State Theater (Virgin Megastore) in New York City's Times Square. At the premiere, Cowboy Bebop director, Shinichiro Watanabe, score composer, Yoko Kanno and character designer Toshihiro Kawamoto will be on hand to meet their legions of fans." That's a show worth seeing.
What is the name of the festival in baltimore next weekend? anyone?
It's all good.
....be forced to read about Anime? CmdrTaco, cant you just visit AnimeFu?
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.... that no one here gives a fuck about anime.
I mean, c'mon! Grow up, people.
I think it would be great if people started trying to do stage versions of popular anime.
John ritter starring in Akira.
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However, it doesn't really affect me being as it's in the big apple. If it were in, I don't know, around Minneapolis, maybe It'd help a bit. It isn't that big of news either, as it is an anime festival, so come on guys, why rub it in?
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Well most hard-core anime lovers wouldn't touch a dubbed movie with a 10 ft. pole.
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I've become a big fan of the show since the Cartoon Network has started showing it at 11:30 each Sat (if you're by a tv at that time and not watching, you're missing out on one of the most cinematic and action-packed animated series I've ever seen).
However, I'm clearly not enough of a fan to know that there has been a movie made, or that there were even plans of dubbing it and bringing it over the US. Since I'm sure there are bigger fans out there, does anyone have more info about when this was made, and if it's available on DVD? If not, when is it going to be? I've had no reason to buy the series on DVD since it's on weekly, but the movie I might actually buy.
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It wasn't too bad. I've attempted to watch anime before and was always disapointed. but Bebop seemed ok. But in one episode I watched the dude died (or at least I think... I was kinda stoned). kinda a bummer man.
I live in the New York area, and I'm a big Cowboy Bebop fan, but I probably won't be able to attend the screening; the first day of classes at my University is two days later.
I wonder how much scheduling this at the very end of August is going to interfere with their audience's ability to attend?
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Recently I watched episode one on cartoon network, wanting to know what the big fuss was about cowboy bebop. I was disappointed. this is not a troll....what is the big fuss about this series? It seems not too unlike most anime...lots of violence and implied sexual imagry. In fact what is the big deal about anime in general? I admit there is some interesting artwork but that is about all I can find interesting about most of it. :P
come to think of it that's about all you get from most hollywood fare these days, too
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First we get a paid advert, then we get the "News" that some lazy fucking students are getting a new toy (Gig E. Big whoop). Now we get to hear about some peice of shit Anime fucking film that no one cares about.
I'm ready for a nap...
Tell you what, does anyone know where I can get some good, large sized, free-to-redistribute backdrop images (Tiled and otherwise?) Apart from a few generic ones on kdelook.org, and all those dark, crappy things on Blowies "Propaganda" site, there isn't much around.
Sorry, Taco, but anime is overrated. Sure, the animation is (sometimes) done very well, but the story lines are usually pretty cheesy.
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Yea but I doubt this movie is even as good as TMNT 1. TMNT were a way better anime series than Cowboy Bebop. The TMNT1 movie also was excellent.
Not to sound like a troll, but Cowboy Bebop is being posted in Alt.binaries.anime.vcd on USENET. Its being posted in SVCD format, but please support the creators by purchasing the DVD. This is a good opportunity to preview it before your purchase, and you know you will.
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Who cares? It all sucks. Anyone tried watching Dragonball-Z without smoking crack at the same time? Why are they always pulsating and sweating, but just standing in one place acting like they're all constipated?
how did they make a movie when spike dies at the end of the TV show?
I think Yoko Kanno being there is pretty much warrent in itself to go. Her music is just incredible (you like Macross Plus right? :), and her work on bebop was also incredible. Honostly, there's very little I could say that could show the magnitude of her music talent.
No one cares about Anime.
Why is this even discussed?
It is neither "News" nor "Stuff That Matters."
I am a huge Bebop fan (as I'm sure many here on Slashdot are), and since I'm only a couple hours from New York, I may actually be able to attend this.
For those who have not seen CB: drop what you are doing, go out, and pick up all the episodes and the movie on DVD. You will not regret it. This is what movie-making is all about.
Cowboy is also known for its excellent English dubs. Many fans prefer the English voice acting (at least for some characters) to the original Japanese soundtrack. If you were disappointed by the dubbing of Akira, do not dispair: Bebop really is better.
My one reservation is in regards to the graphic violence that pervades CB. It is really a cultural thing, and won't be very shocking to anime aficionados. However, it is likely to put many American viewers off. Hopefully, they will remove some of the more gruesome scenes, or perhaps reanimate them so as to be less offensive to a sensible audience.
See you space cowboy... (that's what it always says after each episode!)
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We had her as a guest of honor at OTAKON a few years back, and she was really nice.
Hopefully she'll do some live music at the NYC con.
Gotta finish the graphic for my Cowboy Bebop "best of" CD... (Note: I bought all the Japanese CDs, so don't even start...).
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The reason I prefer subtitled versus dubbed anime has as much to do with the changes in the interpretations of the characters that the American voice actors take than it does with the actual quality of their voice acting.
For example, I saw Cowboy Bebop subbed first, and then watched it when it started running on The Cartoon Network, and the subtle difference in the way the characters voice their lines as well as the slight diologue changes was enough to give the characters and plot a very different feel. Being used to the "Japanese versions" of the characters, I felt that some of Shinichiro Watanabe's vision was lost in the translation to English. Plus, I just found American Ed to be annoying. =)
Granted, I'll still be first in line to see Bebop on the big screen if it has a wider release.
Is it available yet?
I kinda like the series actually. The music was kick-ass, and has a way better storyline than a lot of "cartoons" that are on TV these days. Personally, I don't look at anime to be the be-all end-all of cinematic culture. It's just cool and fun to see in a niceley done animated form what you KNOW would be a horribly cheesy sci-fi movie if they tried to do it with real people.
Since I'm way out here in Wisconsin, I doubt that I'll get to see this movie anytime soon. But what I'm Really waiting for is the Trigun Movie that I keep hearing about.
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I can keep up with cartoons through any number of sites. I just come here to see your ego get stroked by pimply faced, smelly lunix fucks. "Oh thank you CapnNacho, now I know the truth about Cowboy Beebop!". What kind of solace is there in your precious anime. The other day when my A+ certificate showed up in the mail, the postman had folded it in half despite the "DO NOT BEND" sticker on the front. What should I do? I know, "Spike, Jed, Fay, Ed help me! My mail carrier is a subversive lunix fag that doesn't approve of my non-GNU certification.". Oh, wait, IT'S JUST A FUCKING CARTOON !!!
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Anime USA (anime convention in Northern Virginia) premiered the original fansub of the bebop movie last year all weekend (Oct 12-14). It was a surprise showing because we didn't even know it was going to be on the schedule and ended up changing it last minute.
If you ever wanted to see some die hard fans, that was the weekend. Never could you cram 120+ people in a tiny little room with no AC and yet still ask them to sit through two hour of awesome bebop action.
We also gave away 3 free copies of the fan sub version for 3 lucky attendees to take home.
I love that movie... My kingdom for a plane ticket to New York!
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What the fuck does this craptastical pre-pubescent anime shit have to do with /. except CTaco is a flaming dipshit when this stuff is around?
I'm asking because Bebop has a pretty wide variety of episode styles. Some are cops and robbers in space, some are fairly violent, and others are just a lot of fun.
I recommend trying a couple more episodes, especially since you're watching for free.
As for anime in general, one of the big deals is variety. Anime is FAR, FAR more varied than you seem to be giving it credit for. There are kid's shows like pokemon, but there are also shows for older audiences. There are shows for guys, and shows for gals. There are dark, violent thrillers, but there are also flowery girly romances, and everything in between.
One of the problems I find with people's view of anime is that it is formed by looking at what they see in video stores and comic shops, and the selection there tends to be skewed towards the violent, R-rated type of thing because that's what the shop owners think their audience is. A vicious circle, really.
Three quick films for you to try to rent:
Princess Mononoke - Violent, but also amazing. Humanity vs. Nature in a powerful story that examines both sides of the issue, and allows the audience to draw their own conclusions. By Studio Ghibli, probably the best animators currently working on Planet Earth.
Kiki's Delivery Service and Totoro - By the same people that did Princess Mononoke, but these are both for children. Kiki is a young witch out on her own, but all she can do is fly a broom. So she starts a messenger service... Totaro is about two little girls living in the country who encounter a friendly and magical forest creature in the woods. Both are probably in the kid's section of your local Blockbuster.
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Well, when you ask "what is the point of Anime", you should keep in mind that it's one of the largest culture-outputs of a nation of 130 million people (and Taiwan and Korea are starting to make it,) so there's a great deal of variety.
Personally, I find Anime, particularly Cowboy Bebop, aesthetically pleasing. If you like good Camera Work more than substance in your movies (I do - I loved Minority Report even though I thought the plot was, frankly, stupid. I liked The Fugitive primarily for the cinematography, although it had many other good points,) than I recommend Cowboy Bebop.
It is Eye Candy.
Incidentally, I've seen priated copies of the Movie (good quality DivX,) and it's not better than the show. If you like the show, you'll like the movie, but the animation is about the same - a little more polished, but not a drastic improvement.
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
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English dub? Yuck.
Letterboxed with subtitles below, that's the way to go.
Let's have more of stuff that Matters and less of this bullshit script kiddie crap. Do you fools suck your thumbs when dick is not available?
what i liked about bebop is that most of the eps didn't have any continuity. around 5-6 eps were really connected with each other, those eps having to do with spike and vicious' past. group of loaners gathered together trying to forget their past and get through the day. it was well made overall, especially the music. it always seem to nicely compliment the each scene.
dubbed anime is annoying because most of the voice actors are horrible, they sound worse then the actors from star wars episode 2. this is mainly because american voice actors are usually unknowns and aspiring movie-actors while japanese voice are just that, professional voice actors.
would you listen to your favorite song in it's original form, or listen to the remix made by a guy with poor skills?
My roomate got me into this series last year, I like the anime well enough but the soundtrack that comes with the dvd box set is annoying as heck, seeing as that's the only cd my roomate ever listens to.
Just what I want, jpop mixed with the japanese-obsession-with-American-80's music/pop-culture-tears-for-fears-esq garbage. Whoo.
Excellent. More animated pre-pubescent child porn for Taco and his chums to wank off over.
*yawn*
Get your roommate's dick out of your mouth and quit posting this shit, CTacofuckhead (tm).
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I really don't understand how this is "news for nerds." I'm not trying to be flaimbait... but I just don't understand how this is:
1. news
2. worthy of a post
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Is this just going to be a dub of the jap bebop movie "Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door" or what? Because that movie is utter shite. It's just one long ass episode, with more dramatic pauses and violence.
I've seen the fair-quality DIVX (a little under 600MB, IIRC) that's available easily on the 'net. I also saw a 35MM subtitled showing at Anime Expo in Long Beach, CA this year.
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This is definitely a movie worth seeing in the theater, shown right. The art is gorgeous and it looked wonderful on film.
Also, while I'm a huge fan of anime, I find the quality of most theatrical-length anime to be... lacking. Not so in this case! It's a great movie all around. It would be enjoyable for anybody, I think, because it doesn't require any prior knowledge of the series, but long-time Bebop fans will really love it because of their attachment to the characters, who are in fine form in this movie. I got chills seeing all of the characters "one more time".
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...it's not like anime.
Obviously, I'm going to clarify that. "Cowboy Bebop" is popular with a lot of Americans who otherwise dislike anime as a whole. Most anime shows are genre-driven -- fantasy, giant fighting robots, ninja/samurai, schoolkids, hentai, what have you -- but "Bebop" isn't so easily categorized. It's science fiction, yes, but it's not about the spaceships and technology. And there's no robot suits anywhere to be found.
The story is about the bounty hunters, "cowboys," who constantly wander the solar system in search of their next paycheck. They're pretty good at it, but they're generally nice people who keep their friends, which means they give up paychecks from time to time. I'm halfway through the DVDs, but I'd say about 90% of their jobs (the ones seen on the show, anyways) end up profitless. So you keep rooting for them to come out ahead when they almost never do.
It's not that violent a show, really -- at least not compared to, say "NYPD Blue". Compared to "The Simpsons" or "Pokemon", yes, it's occasionally violent and sexy and bloody, but the characters aren't violent or sexaholic by nature. And, of course, they all have a Mysterious Past that's uncovered a bit at a time.
If you don't like anime/animation, then you don't like it, and that's all there is to it. If you're willing to open your mind a bit to it, and watch a few episodes of the series (unedited on DVD is nice), you'll see a good bunch of stories and some very interesting and likeable characters.
I've never seen any US dub with the same voice acting quality as the original. Very often, I can't hear much emotions in the English voices. It's as if the voice actors just treat it as Yet Another Job or Just Another Cartoon, and don't put their heart in it. And some voice actors just have stupid voices that I can't stand.
No, until companies are willing to spend money to hire the best of the best voice actors that actually put their heart into voice acting, dubs will always be inferior.
It's all good and nice you know, the premiere of "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie", but it's not what we are really waiting for; that has to be the premiere of "CowboyNeal: The Movie"!
about this anime pr0n crap.
Underneath all the violence and the one-two punchlines rests many subtle but serious themes. The animation quality is arguably one of the best, with scenes drawn in stunning detail and movement looking natural and realistic. The soundtrack by Yoko Kanno is catchy and original. The plotline also holds an unusual gravity compared to other anime series, keeping the story more believable and down to earth than say... the DragonballZ series. And last but not least, the english dub is by far the best dub of japanese anime I've yet to find.
Does that imply that the movie is something different from "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"? I'd think US premiere would be more appropriate...
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Wish I was there in New York to check the movie out. I liked the series, though I' sorry the main character (Spike) got "whacked in the last "session" . . . Damn! Later Space Cowboy!
Its a really good series too. I love creative stories like that. Anyone know if anything special is going to show at Otakon? I can't wait
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Ok, I know a lot of people have already replied, but here's a point that I didn't see anyone
make explicitly yet, though it was left unsaid a couple of times. It's also my favorite answer to the question "Why care about anime?"
The point is this: Animation allows more types of stories to be told within a limited budget. Animation is way cheaper than live action, especially for stories that aren't set in today's world or that require a lot of special effects for whatever reason. This could be sci-fi, like Cowboy Bebop, but also historical. It could be action (explosions and car wrecks cost too much) or romance. It doesn't matter. The lower cost of animation allows more stories (in any genre) to see the light of day.
I'm a huge Cowboy Bebop fan. I've got all the soundtrack CDs, too. I'm disapointed I can't see the NYC premiere. I'd love to meet Yoko Kanno, but oh well.
See you, Space Cowboy...
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I'm no fan of *any* editing whatsoever, but I have to say that CB as shown on Cartoon Network has very little editing.
The unedited episodes allow time for commercials at the half-way point, which is where Cartoon Network shows the commericals. No editing is done for lack of time.
Editing for content usually has to do with taking out the word "shit" or putting in less blood than there was originally.
Not great - but pretty damn far from "mega-edited".
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Now is this 'Knocking On Heavens Door' or another Cowboy Bebop movie that they probably made JUST for the states.
I caught this flick last year when it hit the Fan Sub circuit. My impression was the film was mostly about big screen special effects, and less about telling a compelling story. It does attempt to tell more back story on the characters, and do some development in that area, but it never seems to catch you attention. I mean you're sitting there watching this, you want to feel involved with the non-action elements happening onscreen, but it just never happens. I ended up feeling bored at times. I really wanted to dig the movie because I liked the TV show so much, but I couldn't get that blah feeling out of my system afterwards.
Jupite Jazz, I think part two, ended with a different tagline also. I can't remember what it was.
I still remember the first time I watched CB. By the end of the session where CB is falling from the window looking up at the glass falling, I was hooked. The sound of the girls singing still haunts me. It was me and 3 other buddies, sitting in stunned silence, watching CB fall backwards while reliving his past. We all just sat and cried. At thet time, I didn't even know a cartoon could have that much power over my emotions.
In any event, CB is the best 30 minute show I have ever seen. Thanks for the emotions Space Cowboy...
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Probably the best American parallel is the Horror Movie. As a genre they are at best misunderstood. You have the generic serials (with the decline in quality as they extend into the double digits... Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween), the pure exploitive trash (Sleepaway Camp, the joyous (almost avant garde) cult/underground films (Evil Dead, Troma Films), and the amazing masterworks (Romero's Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the Shining, John Carpenter's the Thing).
A lot of people think Horror Movies are crap. And a lot of people just go to get their willies off at seeing B,G,T&A (blood, gore, tits and ass). And then there is a large loyal underground composed of fanatics and fanzines.
And no matter how hard the genre tries it still can't overcome the lowest common denominator.
Of course I think the best works of Horror movies far exceed anything done in anime. Personal opinion? Yes. But a movie like Dawn of the Dead seems to reverberate with zeitgeist fears: Nuclear Annihilation, slow death from radiation poisoning, the Cold War, isolation of the self in modern consumer civilization... The best Akira did was: fear technology, stuff blows up real good.
What is music when you despise all sound?
My problem is that Anime seems to be a lot like porn. There's tons of it out there. You know there's really good stuff. You also know that 90% of it is incomprehensible, possibly offensive crap. You don't know which is which, and can't always tell by the box. So I sit and read through every single title trying to figure out what might be good and what might stink on ice.
And I do that when I shop for anime too!
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I've seen the subtitled movie. It wasn't the greatest but I enjoyed it. I love Cowboy Bebop. I have all the subtitled episodes on a vcd :). Half of the show is the music thought and I love the music in it. The only reason I would go this thing is to meet Yoko Kanno (sp?).
One thing that was left out of the story is that they have retained the "original" English dub cast that did the work for the regular series (i.e. what's showing on Cartoon Network). This is big news; while it's been known that Columbia/Tri-Star obtained the U.S. rights and were probably planning on a theater release, up until now there was no confirmation on the dub cast.
There's a press release here with a bit more information that is the confirmation on the dub cast.
Is this on the order of Mac vs. PC or Linux vs. *BSD? I can't tell.
Most dubs are dreadful with flat voices lacking emotion.
I've watched Cowboy Bebop in the original Japanese through the whole series. I tried watching an episode in English on Cartoon Network's adult swim and thought it was horrible and that the voices didn't embody the characters.
However I watched Ghost in the Shell as a dub first before catching the original voice track. I thought the original Japanese was horrible and that the voices didn't embody the characters.
The point being, what you become comfortable with listening to makes any other language seem "wrong".
And thus the point of dub vs. sub is moot. Has been and will be. So don't worry about it.
The best way of seeing Anime on film is clearly in a theater. If you happen to be in the area and catch this debut with the English dub go for it.
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- To those who think English dub sucks, it is all realitive. (For some odd reason no one complains about crappy Japanese recording since they do exist)
Dubbing was bad in the 80s because you had only half a shoe string budget and scheduled recording time between SMURFS and GI JOE. Now that Anime has been shown to be a proven money maker recording quality has gone way way WAY up with the amount of money invested in making them.
COWBOY BEBOP is an example of this. The English production crew from Bandai USA loved the show and worked hard in all aspects of it. If the KNOCKING receives the same TLC then it will be a quality English recording.
- To those who think "What is so great about this show...I saw one goofy episode and it sucked"
I suppose I could say the same thing about ATTACK OF THE CLONES can't I? ^_^;; COWBOY BEBOP is different than a lot of the stuff that came out post EVA/X-FILES/Angsty. It has clearly defined characters that you can identify with. It has a clearly defined ending(so many Anime these days leave endings open 'just in case' they can sell a second season). CB was more about style. A typical Anime series has "super plots" where consecutive episodes explain the themes and story but CB did many self contained one shots. Of course no one mentions CB without mentioning the music of Yoko Kanno. If CB represents anything about the future correctly it is that good music is timeless. ^_^
- To those who say "why is this news?"
Until recently if it was animated it had to have Disney on it or it was shown only in art house style movie theaters. This is one of the biggest openings for a non-US animated feature in the US. I think that is as newsworthy as anything else on
- To those living in NYC I say "LUCK STIFFS" ^_^
Take lots of pictures! Try to get an autograph(I would die for Kanno to autograph my BLUE CD). Have fun watching one of the better movies to come out of Japan recently.
Maybe the editors from a somewhat influential website could co-sponsor some sort of an event. You know, as a sort of house-warming for their new offices. And to show their new community what a great 'n' fabulous 'n' magmanimous bunch of guys they are.
What? It beats hell out of a PT Cruiser...
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I wonder if it is too early? In October, I watched a sub of it and I have to say that it is one of my favorite anime movies, however, the subject is the problem (and the probable reason for the delay, I believe it was suppose to be out Jan.). The movie revolves around a terrorist that blows up cars on freeways and his attempt at bioterriorism.
The good news to those who haven't seen it is that it has that dark, classy appeal of the TV show.
forget it.
What'll I do? Oh boo hoo! Loser.
Dubs are not inferior, the process of dubbing in English is...
Anime voice acting tends to be far more melodramatic than live action, which lends
to more emotional impact from the dialog. But trying to carry that same level of
drama across in translation is interpreted as overacting, which only works in the
small percentage of anime situations that are actually trying to be "cartoony".
Because of that, most English voice actors are caught between having to emote to
flesh out a character, and not being able to EMOTE, because that takes the character
over the top of the storyline. THat is why English voices can seem less emotional,
but the better actors are still able to add more subtle undertones to the character to
make them seem more "real" to the audience.
Also, up until recently in the West, voice acting for anime was not considered
to be a "real" enough acting job to attract a lot of people with both talent and
training to be able to sustain a character thru many consistent episodes of a
series or OVA. That has slowly changed as studios/teams like the Ocean group
and Z-RO limit have become more established and been able to retain their
core members thru various projects. The Hollywood interest in anime helps a
little, as it gives more legitimacy to the idea of adding (quality)
voice work into an actors portfolio; but at the same time it adds a hindrance
in Hollywoods habit of substituting "actor with talent who can play the role"
with "Big-name actor with box office appeal that we can shoehorn into the
role". Hopefully anime will be allowed to become mainstream enough that we
can eventually move past that impulse.
In western style dubbing, the process used for ADR is (most often)
to have a lone actor reading their lines to studio cues; and taking the best
reading from a series of individual takes.
The Japanese have traditionally recorded with all the (primary) seiyuu in the
studio at the same time, playing out more like the old style radio drama sets.
IMO the Japanese system is better because it allows for greater feedback between
the actors/characters while telling the story. The few people I have spoken to
in the "industry" however, tell me that the English (Hollywood)
method is preferred because it allows for faster production when you don't
have to schedule all the actors at the same time,
and it is easier to work around bloopers/misreads when you only have to
deal with one voice at a time. Unfortunately the English approach does require
a greater effort on the part of the Director to make sure the dialog read
actually fits with the scenes and theme of the animation; and it usually takes
a few episodes of work (or some outside rehearsal) for the actors to really get
into their roles.
More unfortunately, this method is apparently considered efficient enough that
it is gaining popularity with some Japanese studios as an alternative method
to allow them to meet tight production deadlines.
I have seen US dubs with the same voice acting quality as Japanese releases,
or rather I have "seen" (heard) quality English voice work in recent anime
releases (Cowboy Bebop and Excel Saga as examples) that I found as appealing
and dramatic as I would from hearing and not understanding the Japanese dialog.
I have also seen enough raw anime to tell that just becuase it is made in Japan is
no gaurantee that it isn't crap. Most US anime fans are spoiled (blessed) because
they don't get exposure to a lot of the stuff that was not good enough to get picked
up over here. Everything you said about English dubs can be equally applied back
to the majority of anime that has been produced from Japan.
The real point is not to argue for dubs over subs, or vice-versa; it is to argue for
the studios to continue doing a better job with translation, setup, direction and acting
in ways that maintain the quality of the original work, or even benefit it in translation.
And for anime fans in the West to continue to express our preferences in quality anime to
help encourage the Japanese studios to create works in thier own country that can find
such mass-appeal overseas.
Two thousand sweaty overweight Comic Book Guy clones in identical fanboy t-shirts trying to out-pedant each other with their authentic Japanese pronounciation?
Fair enough though, the slap fights and hissy fits to ask the most sycophantic and obscure question from the floor might be worth watching. ;-)
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Have you ever watched a soap like 'young and the restless' or 'guiding light'? I had to endure summer vacations watching that drivel as a kid. Somehow though, occasionaly, I'd find myself interested in the show. Only it would take forever for the plot to advance in soaps. They'll have the same conversation for a week sometimes. That and some of the plots are silly/corney. Deamon Possesed Housewives, Cloned Housewives, Alien Abducted Housewives...who could sit and watch that?
Anyway, DBZ is a lot like that. It is a developing story, not a planned one. If you don't have patience, don't watch it.
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Just wondering, when you discovered your folded-in-half A+ certificate, did you notice an Anime-style sweatdrop suddenly appear beside your head? :-)
Bebop was originally run as a TV/OVA series. Some episodes were made for TV, some were OVA. To get the entire story, you had to watch TV and see the OVA. Later, they rebroadcast the entire series on TV. So no, it wasn't because it was extreme, because it isn't extreme.
Next Saturday night, there will be another 3 hour block of Cowboy Bebop from 11pm-2am
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That night's schedule is thus:
11:00pm Honky Tonk Women -The introduction of Faye
11:30pm Sympathy for the Devil -The secret of a child prodigy and what happened to earth
12:00am Waltz for Venus -One man's attempt to set things right
12:30am Black Dog Serenade -What happened to Jet
01:00am Pierrot Le Fou -Why you shouldn't build a homicidal maniac
01:30am Brain Scratch -Online cult (everquest maybe?)
With the exception of "Honky Tonk Women" all these episodes are rather dark in tone (especially Pierrot Le Fou, which is one of my favorites of the series). They are also rather standalone, as opposed to last Saturday's, which covered the underlying main plot of the series.
Although I haven't seen these episodes in their dubbed and edited form, from what I've seen of other episodes and Adult swim in general, minus some blood, these episodes should be rather intact and definitely worth seeing if you haven't.
I personaly think that it's a good thing that anime is getting bigger in the US cause it means it's easier for me to find good dvd's but I still hate it when they take a great anime like Cowboy Bebop and give it a large theatre release with a HORRIBLE dubbing.
Sony put their neck out and released Metropolis subbtitles in theatres and it did quite good, and I wish that others would have the same mentality to release something in a better state. I am a huge bebop fan and for those of you who haven't seen the movie yet... It's fuckin great
I downloaded the movie about one month after it's theatre release in japan, and I bought the hong kong import of the dvd about 5 months ago and its really really good... WITH THE ORIGINAL VOICE ACTORS. Cowboy bebop had some the most amazing japanese voice actors in an anime and they embodied the characters, the dubbing takes the reason I love all of the characters out of each one.
In the american dubbing, Spike isn't a badass, faye isn't the hottest yet seriously tough woman to ever be in an anime, Jet isn't super tough, and Ed is not funny. What is ed without "Baka, Baka, Baka". Thats all I have to say, I encourage everyone to see the subtitles version of this anime, it is among the best anime ever made. If you like anything about the series you will love the movie.
Also everyone should realize that when companies dub most anime they take out alot of things such as swearing and sexual content, particularly if there is any references to homosexuality and cowboy bebop is no exeption to this. It's blatent censorship and everyone pretty much ignores it because if the companies didn't do it you would have to watch subtitles, since these companies usually try to market anime to an age group 10 years younger than the original audience.
For anyone who's interested and lives in or near LA, the Cowboy Bebop movie is playing at the Egyptian in Hollywood on August 11th at 5 PM. No appearance by the director and stuff, but personally I can't make it to New York....
That leaves 14 episodes that originally didn't air. The producers wanted to show all 26 episodes on broadcast television, but as the producer Masahiko Minami puts it, "issues" came up. Why were so many episodes left out? Since some of the affected episodes were part of multi-episode story arcs, their entire arcs had to be taken out of the original broadcast.
All 26 original episodes were later released on satellite television and home video in Japan. (The original airwave broadcast was at 6 p.m., while the later satellite run was at the less restricted midnight timeslot.)
Bebop was originally planned as a television series -- with no straight-to-video or Original Video Anime (OVA) plans. When 14 episodes couldn't be aired on regular airwave broadcast television in Japan because of "issues," the entire 26 episode was later released on satellite television and home video. Even then, the satellite television run came two months before the home video release in 1998-1999, so none of these 26 episodes were ever OVA or straight-to-video.
For anyone that watches Cowboy Bebop on Cartoon Network I recommend the DVD. The Cartoon Network version is edited, and is missing an episode. The DVD'S gives you the true experience.
The DVD sets of Bebop have both the English and the Japanese dubs (it's a cartoon, it's always "dubbed").
:-P).
Personally, I prefer the English version. The voices fit the characters, settings, and tone of the series much better. The Japanese dubs seem flat and out of character.
Yes, Spike is a super cool badass, Faye is hot and tough, Jet is a disgruntled ex-cop, and Ed is insane. But to the English speaking ear, the English voices convey those same senses of character much better in the English dub.
Put it like this: If you watch lots of Japanese dubbed animation, then you'll get the feel for Japanese voices and will be able to tell flavor and character of the voices. But, to the average non super-anime-fan, it's a bunch of gibberish with no variation in tone or pitch. Flat. Uninteresting.
To me, who can ear the variation in both, I'd say that while they both convey the same feeling of character and flavor, you're more likely to hear it better in the language you understand (unless you watch so much anime that your eyes bleed
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this, but is this guy flamebait for being an idiot or because he went against popular opinion? So does this make me flamebait now?
The US doesn't give a flying fuck about any other country, but has this ridiculous fascination with all things Japanese. For what other country would the Americans actually adopt their words for catagories ("hentai", "ainime" etc.) rather than using the English ?
Is it because you incinerated so many of them during WWII that you feel guilty ? I just don't get it - you bomb the rest of the world with happy ignorance, but are so polite to the Japanese it's amazing.....
Can anyone please explain ? (and not some anime fanboy please... someone with a serious point of view would help).
see.... aug 31-sept 2 is Anime Expo NY. And their guests are.... the guys you mentioned. So if you can get to NY for it.. have fun.
http://www.axny.org
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The movie premiered at the Los Angeles Anime Expo on July 5th. I saw it.
Has anyone else noticed that Spike looks and acts just like Jubei from Ninja Scoll?
I have to agree, the voice actor for Spike in particular totally destroyed the character.
He changed Spike from an unfeasibly relaxed but often erratically and dramatically violent character into a snide, whining smartass with dire one-liner creating ability.
For those of you who aren't aware, BAAF is working in cooperation with Anime Expo. The people who run AX are the worst convention committee in the world. I wonder how much the AX crew has to do BAAF. If it is a lot, it is going to a very bad weekend.
Some good advice: go to ConJose (the 2002 World Science Fiction Convention) instead. Details at www.conjose.org.
Actually, they're surprisingly unedited/uncensored... Only part they really cut was the "money shot" with the kid from Sympathy for the Devil...
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How many true Bebop fans haven't already seen it?
But you know the real reason this got posted is because CmdrTaco creams his pants every time he sees Ein. But who doesn't? That little poochie can run nude down my ship's corridors any day, if you know what I mean.
And no, I'm not into hentai animal rape pr0n! What would give you that idea!
Black Dog Serenade and Pierrot Le Fou back to back. Now there is an hour of quality television. almost all of my favorite episodes are here. add Mushroom Samba and the one with the one where Spike hunts the mold from the fridge and you would have a perfect set.
Is there a way to pre-order tickets to the Cowboy Bebop movie or will I have to wait for days outside the ticket booth to buy'em
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Wonder how well this would do in other festivals/cons around the country.
... you might be missing out on an episode or two.
Session (Episode) 22 - "Cowboy Funk"
CN claims this episode was "lost," but this is doubted by a lot of fans as the episode deals with a serial bomber "Teddy Bomber" and mysteriously was lost after Sept 11. It's on the DVDs, which I'd highly recommend you pick up if you're interested.
Session XX - "Collection Blues"
This is a mystery episode that apparently only aired once during the initial run in japan (from what I've read). Not even sure if this is the correct title, as I've only seen a bad divx copy. The format is a little different and it seems to be a grouping of parts of the other episodes.
Also, the movie is actually quite good. It's not a prequel or sequel but meant to fit in to the series in the middle - sort of a long episode. I'll be headed to the theatre if it plays anywhere near me.
except every episode is basically:
"har, har, har!"
"grr!"
"har, har, har!"
"GRR!"
"har, har, WHA?"
"GRRRRRRR!"
"he is a super-sayen! he was hiding his power! oh-no!"
"GRRRRRRRRRR!"
[action lines behind someone flying]
"ON THE NEXT DRAGON BALL Z.."
all done with a total of 6 animation cells..