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The Design Of The Google File System
Freddles writes "This is an interesting paper (PDF) describing the design approach to Google's file system. The design had to take account of requirements for huge file sizes, a highly responsive infrastructure and an assumption that hardware components will always fail."
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Here's the html link
It was thoughtful of the poster to link to google.com for those that have never heard of it.
I say screw the inovation and lets all just move back to FAT16!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Google uses MS access as a backend to store all of its cache files. It is redundant by having a batch file setup with the windows "at" command to "xcopy" the data to another backup server.
PDF mirror on my server /Feels sorry for the Rochester cs server
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It's an interesting enough read, it certainly is interesting to see how one of the biggest-volume servers out there cope. Now, the question is, what can us little server guys do to implement the ideas therein to our server? What can we take from it?
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Seeing as I'm far too lazy to actually read the PDF, can someone tell me if this is actually the software used by Google (you know, the search engine)?
Okay, so I read this paper as a part of the SOSP reading group here at school. Just want to make it clear that this is not the file system used by the front end that we all see. It is used by internal dev groups as well as the web spiders that they employ. Their unique usage has definitely led to a number of interesting choices (such as the atomic appends) for the file system design. Read the paper for more details
Nice to see google's design approach to making a next-generation filesystem for the new e-millenium. Truly a benevolent concern.
I'd like to see a beow...
Never mind.
Why the google file system is nothing but a waffle iron with a phone attached.
Luckily the world was saved from this possibility.
-John (now, one of those "why, back in my day..." story telling guys... sigh.)
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What word processor/text editor is used to write all of these technical papers? Almost every paper I've seen looks like it's written in the same program.
thanks to, ehh, Google, here's an html version of the article
I didn't read the whole article (kinda lengthy) but it seems pretty informative. I found their assumptions interesting, as they reveal some of the essence of what makes Google such a great search tool. Here are a few from the article:
- The system is built from many inexpensive commodity components that often fail. It must constantly monitor itself and detect, tolerate, and recover promptly from component failures on a routine basis.
- High sustained bandwidth is more imprtant that low latency. Most of our target applications place a premium onprocessing data in bulk at a high rate, while few have stringent response time requirements for an individual read or write.
- The workloads primarily consist of two kinds of reads: large streaming reads and small random reads. Successive operations from the same client often read through a contiguous region of a file.
Isn't it about time that we started using GFS's instead of LOC's?
I think perhaps this is something we could all take a little more seriously. Part of me realises this is a comment on the sheer data being manipulated, but then something else that sprung to mind is the gradual reduction of warranties on HDDs, for example. I wonder what sort of stats an operation of this size could gather on various hardware components, and their varying propensities to wither and die.
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and then we'll have a decent search engine again.
how many times have you searched for something on google, only to find that the search engine spammers have taken over almost every top 10 result?
maybe google could have that competition again, and this time someone could submit something that lets them discount the spammers.
say the more topics a page covers (the spammer pages always cover like a dozen), the lower the PR, exponentially. that'd be useful.
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I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss. I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my hankercheif, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom. I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours.. I must have had six orgasms in the process.
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Check out the interactive demo of how GFS works.
What's next? GoogleOS? Google Electronics? Google Nuclear Power Plant? Google Search Engine? Oh wait...
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In other news, what happens when Google [well what ever they do?] sends it's people back to /.? After all the top page for Google should be pointing here real-soon-now! Could this be the first ever successful reverse-slashdotting?
haven't seen this one in quite a while
Just for covering their penis, not reading papers.
They could use a more robust file system then. It seems like postings within the past 48 have headers, but google dies when accessing the body.
I really enjoyed that read about the file system Google uses. The fact that they usually append to their files, is of special note. By appending data you only need to know a simple pointer address. Seems quick enough. Add a bunch of threaded concurrent writes and you could get into trouble on other systems... The "atomic append" seems interesting because of the use of multiple machines to append simultaneously (hazard free).
64meg chunk size is pretty huge, but I'm guessing that's blocked out based on continual threads of data, not typical files.
At first glance, this file system seems fairly wasteful. But hey, Google likely require speed and reliability over cost. Right?
This reminds me of the discussions about not-so-far-off database filesystems coming to an OS near you.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Google%20File%20Sys tem&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf -8&oe=utf-8
I am so glad that I do not have to manage that beast. It gives me the cold sweats just thinking about it.
Fortunately I will not have the need for such a system anytime soon. Right now the largest files that I have to worry about are around 200 Gigs. Every now andd then a 500 gigger will show up but, these are handled individually in a very special manner. It usually involves walking down to the database developers and bitch slapping one of them only to hear some lame excuse about a test warehousing database dump blah blah blah. Minutes later, the biggest files I have to worrry about are around 200 gig.
[ ] Google File System.
in the kernel config.
Must be 12pm - the updatedb script it running.
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...the Linux kernel will have googlefs support. It will be marked (EXPERIMENTAL), though, and will only run on 10,000-node Babelfish clusters...
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
...like google.co.jp, google.ca, etc. will fill up pages of hits on a search for Google long before slashdot even makes an appearance. But it is a nice thought.
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... which may not have happened from just any company of google's prominence. I mean, they have highly successful business and technical infrastructure models and they didn't HAVE to share it with anyone.
I wonder what they believe will protect their business from poaching of these ideas?
that is all.
That's a good one. You got me.
Could we call Google a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Computers?
What else can it be programmed to do? Could this become the basis for a personal computer where you just add computers seamlessly when you need more power?
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Google uses MySQL as a backend to store all of its cache files. It is redundant by having a shell script file setup with the Unix "cron" command to "cp" the data to another backup server.
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I handed in a research paper this morning on enterprise class distributed file systems.
If I had put it off until tomorrow, I would now be up in front of the proctors for plagarism - it's that similar to my idea.
Remember to hand in your work on time kids!
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No, It would still be RAID - although the D would denote "Devices"... unless they had a purchasing contract with Dell...
They designed their own file system as well as Web server? Did they design their own receptionists? If so, I want to work there!
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The in-memory master behaviour described in the paper ressembles a lot the Prevayler software.
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Yeah, that'll definitely sell.
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it's not really a clustered filesystem. It's sort of like uber-intelligent iSCSI.
:-)
A "real" GFS has multiple masters, as far as I'm concerned. This is a very specific app tied to a specific need for Google's web collection system.
So I think you're okay, even so.
Also, the article was published before Sept. 17 (earliest commentary I saw), so this is moot.
But anyway, kids, listen to him, don't procrastinate! And if you do, make sure you have adequate forged documentation on your 17 grandparents gruesome deaths.
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See Verity Stobs article -- Cold Comfort Server Farm -- in the August/2003 edition of Dr. Dobb's Journal, for the sad truth about Googles' server farm. Sniff ;-(
Yah, their going to get right on that...probably release it right to Yahoo! who is going to try to even think about taking on Google. I wonder if they've patented GFS?
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I've come across that situation a couple of times. They have an address for that type of complains. I let them know both times and a human got back to me within 48 hours and said that they would look at the issue. Sure enough, a week later it was taken care of.
This all sounds great and I would like to use it myself but where would I download it ? Is GFS available to the public ?
..those Google guys are very, very smart....
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Thats probably 2 H1Bs. I;m sure if it was americans it would have been better and kept the money in the Country.
I know heaps of American programmers who cold have come up with this!
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Engineers use it too...
I can't quite tell from a quick reading of the paper, but this seems to be a user-mode file system. That is, if you call the regular POSIX "open" call, you probably can't open a file in the GoogleFS. It appears that some library code linked directly into the application handles all file system operations. A number of distributed file systems take that approach--it can be more efficient.
I wonder how it compares to PVFS. It seems like GoogleFS deals more aggressively with component failure. Any ideas?
Rendering doesn't need super-fast storage. It may need lots of storage for the whole movie, but the render farms spend far more time rendering than they do outputing data.
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It's more of a "text compiler" where you concentrate on writing the content and leave all of the formatting to a template that is responsible for transofmring the content into (normally postscript) output. Anybody who has worked with LaTex and then moved to Word, only to have that stupid piece of sh*t bunch all images in a document together, on top of each other, on the first or last page of their document will appreciate the LaTex workflow. And LaTex absolutely rocks when it comes to formulas.
.ps format, processed with a speified LaTex templates (at tleast they did when I was at Uni).
That being said, LaTex comes with a siginificant learning curve, and due to its nature misses some of the features that are important in a business environment (most notably changes tracking). There are some pseudo-wysiwig frontends for LaTex, such as Lyx, but they are firmly targeted at an academic audience. Most scientific papers require submissions in
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this site sucks.
Since when is googlefs new? I've been using it for ages on my FreeBSD box.
/dev/ad0s1a on / (googlefs, local) /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (googlefs, local)
/dev/ad0s1f on /usr (googlefs, local)
/dev/ad0s1d on /var (googlefs, local)
$ mount
devfs on
$
On the GNU linux wouldn't under the true GPL licence such deep modifications to the GNU Linux be a GPL violation?
I thought the Google dance was history, and the index is now being updated more continuously (how exactly, I don't know)?
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First, the obvious one. This is not for use at home! It's a highly specialised filesystem which, even distributed over several machines, will perform badly for "normal" use.
At first I was asking myself why Google needed their own filesystem, rather than using one of the many filesystems already available. Actually, I'm still not convinced that another commercial filesystem couldn't do what they need (SGI's CXFS will be available for Linux soon, won't it? True, it's not big on fault tolerance...), but still it's clear that Google's needs are pretty special.
Also, at which point does the master become a bottleneck? I'm sure they've spec'd it properly, but I'm still curious...
well i belive that many things can be done better and faster, becasuse there are always a faster way, but just look at the results! Google is fast enough for me! I use it all the time, and they made a great job! Tnx for it!
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Interesting.. Just yesterday the google groups database suffered failures. A lot of threads appeared in the search results, but couldn't be browsed.
I'm having trouble reading and replying to newsgroups since Google isn't showing comp.sys.apple2, comp.os.cpm and comp.emulators.apple2, and is very spotty with alt.fan.sailor-moon. (Sometimes I have been able to access these groups. YMMV.)
My ISP unfortunately isn't giving me netnews, so I'm trying to find a solution, and I have not found one.
This sucks, because I use comp.emulators.apple2 as a help forum for EMU][, among other things.
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The thought of my job being under threat by an unemployed pigeon is not a nice one.
The question really on all our minds is can you play doom on it?
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Should have just bought one of these: SGI SAN 3000 It would be easier and cheaper to manage, scales better, and you wouldn't have to spend the money to create and maintain the file system.
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