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The Design Of The Google File System
Freddles writes "This is an interesting paper (PDF) describing the design approach to Google's file system. The design had to take account of requirements for huge file sizes, a highly responsive infrastructure and an assumption that hardware components will always fail."
Here's the html link
It was thoughtful of the poster to link to google.com for those that have never heard of it.
I say screw the inovation and lets all just move back to FAT16!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Google uses MS access as a backend to store all of its cache files. It is redundant by having a batch file setup with the windows "at" command to "xcopy" the data to another backup server.
PDF mirror on my server /Feels sorry for the Rochester cs server
TODO: Something witty here...
It's an interesting enough read, it certainly is interesting to see how one of the biggest-volume servers out there cope. Now, the question is, what can us little server guys do to implement the ideas therein to our server? What can we take from it?
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Okay, so I read this paper as a part of the SOSP reading group here at school. Just want to make it clear that this is not the file system used by the front end that we all see. It is used by internal dev groups as well as the web spiders that they employ. Their unique usage has definitely led to a number of interesting choices (such as the atomic appends) for the file system design. Read the paper for more details
I'd like to see a beow...
Never mind.
Why the google file system is nothing but a waffle iron with a phone attached.
Luckily the world was saved from this possibility.
-John (now, one of those "why, back in my day..." story telling guys... sigh.)
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I need something for my p...err, book collection.
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What word processor/text editor is used to write all of these technical papers? Almost every paper I've seen looks like it's written in the same program.
thanks to, ehh, Google, here's an html version of the article
I didn't read the whole article (kinda lengthy) but it seems pretty informative. I found their assumptions interesting, as they reveal some of the essence of what makes Google such a great search tool. Here are a few from the article:
- The system is built from many inexpensive commodity components that often fail. It must constantly monitor itself and detect, tolerate, and recover promptly from component failures on a routine basis.
- High sustained bandwidth is more imprtant that low latency. Most of our target applications place a premium onprocessing data in bulk at a high rate, while few have stringent response time requirements for an individual read or write.
- The workloads primarily consist of two kinds of reads: large streaming reads and small random reads. Successive operations from the same client often read through a contiguous region of a file.
I think perhaps this is something we could all take a little more seriously. Part of me realises this is a comment on the sheer data being manipulated, but then something else that sprung to mind is the gradual reduction of warranties on HDDs, for example. I wonder what sort of stats an operation of this size could gather on various hardware components, and their varying propensities to wither and die.
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Check out the interactive demo of how GFS works.
What's next? GoogleOS? Google Electronics? Google Nuclear Power Plant? Google Search Engine? Oh wait...
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Ummm... not very many. Then again, I try not to search on "teen panties" very often. :)
That reminds me of the winter I spent in Chicago. I needed some galoshes to protect my shoes and keep my feet dry. Back in New England, we called them "rubbers" (I am not making this up). Needless to say, a google search on "buy rubbers" did not yield the intended results.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Just for covering their penis, not reading papers.
No, but we can mod you down.
I really enjoyed that read about the file system Google uses. The fact that they usually append to their files, is of special note. By appending data you only need to know a simple pointer address. Seems quick enough. Add a bunch of threaded concurrent writes and you could get into trouble on other systems... The "atomic append" seems interesting because of the use of multiple machines to append simultaneously (hazard free).
64meg chunk size is pretty huge, but I'm guessing that's blocked out based on continual threads of data, not typical files.
At first glance, this file system seems fairly wasteful. But hey, Google likely require speed and reliability over cost. Right?
This reminds me of the discussions about not-so-far-off database filesystems coming to an OS near you.
[ ] Google File System.
in the kernel config.
Must be 12pm - the updatedb script it running.
Get your own free personal location tracker
...the Linux kernel will have googlefs support. It will be marked (EXPERIMENTAL), though, and will only run on 10,000-node Babelfish clusters...
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
...like google.co.jp, google.ca, etc. will fill up pages of hits on a search for Google long before slashdot even makes an appearance. But it is a nice thought.
"Life in every breath... that is bushido"
... which may not have happened from just any company of google's prominence. I mean, they have highly successful business and technical infrastructure models and they didn't HAVE to share it with anyone.
I wonder what they believe will protect their business from poaching of these ideas?
Could we call Google a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Computers?
What else can it be programmed to do? Could this become the basis for a personal computer where you just add computers seamlessly when you need more power?
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"They could use a more robust file system then. It seems like postings within the past 48 have headers, but google dies when accessing the body."
Sure! Also, some of the counts of messages per thread are optimistic. I guess they've been told 1000 times already..or maybe I should mail them about it too?
And www.manpages.com is NOT an online resource to get *nix man pages.
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In case Google gets slashdotted, here is the Google cache for Google.
how many times have you searched for something on google, only to find that the search engine spammers have taken over almost every top 10 result?
Err, never. Even searches for porn images are still pretty useful (as useful as porn images are, I guess). Dozens of non-porn searches a day and always useful.
I live ze unknown. I love ze unknown. I am ze unknown.
This is also a pretty strong indication of just how noteworthy this article is. This kind of stuff has been time and again. Things like OceanStore are far more innovative. But of course that stuff isn't from Google, which is what makes this article noteworthy. ;-)
Tomorrow's slashdot headline: Google proves definitively that 1 + 1 = 2
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No, It would still be RAID - although the D would denote "Devices"... unless they had a purchasing contract with Dell...
They designed their own file system as well as Web server? Did they design their own receptionists? If so, I want to work there!
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The in-memory master behaviour described in the paper ressembles a lot the Prevayler software.
What's in a sig?
Yeah, that'll definitely sell.
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Yes it's true,
1+1
it's not really a clustered filesystem. It's sort of like uber-intelligent iSCSI.
:-)
A "real" GFS has multiple masters, as far as I'm concerned. This is a very specific app tied to a specific need for Google's web collection system.
So I think you're okay, even so.
Also, the article was published before Sept. 17 (earliest commentary I saw), so this is moot.
But anyway, kids, listen to him, don't procrastinate! And if you do, make sure you have adequate forged documentation on your 17 grandparents gruesome deaths.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
See Verity Stobs article -- Cold Comfort Server Farm -- in the August/2003 edition of Dr. Dobb's Journal, for the sad truth about Googles' server farm. Sniff ;-(
Yah, their going to get right on that...probably release it right to Yahoo! who is going to try to even think about taking on Google. I wonder if they've patented GFS?
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I've come across that situation a couple of times. They have an address for that type of complains. I let them know both times and a human got back to me within 48 hours and said that they would look at the issue. Sure enough, a week later it was taken care of.
I think he was in college, we are in the U.S., and it must have soon after the war, late 40's ealy 50's. Anyway he is sitting in class one day taking a test and this british bloke sitting behind him leans foward and whispers in this ear
can you spare a rubber.
It took my friend several seconds to understand what he meant.
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..those Google guys are very, very smart....
and chunkhandles. I love it. Great read.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
I can't quite tell from a quick reading of the paper, but this seems to be a user-mode file system. That is, if you call the regular POSIX "open" call, you probably can't open a file in the GoogleFS. It appears that some library code linked directly into the application handles all file system operations. A number of distributed file systems take that approach--it can be more efficient.
I wonder how it compares to PVFS. It seems like GoogleFS deals more aggressively with component failure. Any ideas?
Rendering doesn't need super-fast storage. It may need lots of storage for the whole movie, but the render farms spend far more time rendering than they do outputing data.
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It's more of a "text compiler" where you concentrate on writing the content and leave all of the formatting to a template that is responsible for transofmring the content into (normally postscript) output. Anybody who has worked with LaTex and then moved to Word, only to have that stupid piece of sh*t bunch all images in a document together, on top of each other, on the first or last page of their document will appreciate the LaTex workflow. And LaTex absolutely rocks when it comes to formulas.
.ps format, processed with a speified LaTex templates (at tleast they did when I was at Uni).
That being said, LaTex comes with a siginificant learning curve, and due to its nature misses some of the features that are important in a business environment (most notably changes tracking). There are some pseudo-wysiwig frontends for LaTex, such as Lyx, but they are firmly targeted at an academic audience. Most scientific papers require submissions in
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Most of the people I see having trouble searching just don't know how to to search for things properly. My parents are a prime example. They knw how to get to Google but not how to pick the combination of keywords most likely to return the result they're looking for. I wish I could think of a way to put into code my mental process for doing this.. if I could then maybe Google would hire me. :)
The other major problem is that many webpages aren't made to be easy to locate. At times they don't even include the subject of the page anywhere inside the page's contents. This doesn't exactly make it easier for searchers to find your site especially when you take into account the spam peckers that are including your search terms in their totally unrelated pages just to sneak hits.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Hmmm, searching for help on LaTeX can sometimes be... distracting.
Since when is googlefs new? I've been using it for ages on my FreeBSD box.
/dev/ad0s1a on / (googlefs, local) /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (googlefs, local)
/dev/ad0s1f on /usr (googlefs, local)
/dev/ad0s1d on /var (googlefs, local)
$ mount
devfs on
$
On the GNU linux wouldn't under the true GPL licence such deep modifications to the GNU Linux be a GPL violation?
I thought the Google dance was history, and the index is now being updated more continuously (how exactly, I don't know)?
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First, the obvious one. This is not for use at home! It's a highly specialised filesystem which, even distributed over several machines, will perform badly for "normal" use.
At first I was asking myself why Google needed their own filesystem, rather than using one of the many filesystems already available. Actually, I'm still not convinced that another commercial filesystem couldn't do what they need (SGI's CXFS will be available for Linux soon, won't it? True, it's not big on fault tolerance...), but still it's clear that Google's needs are pretty special.
Also, at which point does the master become a bottleneck? I'm sure they've spec'd it properly, but I'm still curious...
well i belive that many things can be done better and faster, becasuse there are always a faster way, but just look at the results! Google is fast enough for me! I use it all the time, and they made a great job! Tnx for it!
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Interesting.. Just yesterday the google groups database suffered failures. A lot of threads appeared in the search results, but couldn't be browsed.
I'm having trouble reading and replying to newsgroups since Google isn't showing comp.sys.apple2, comp.os.cpm and comp.emulators.apple2, and is very spotty with alt.fan.sailor-moon. (Sometimes I have been able to access these groups. YMMV.)
My ISP unfortunately isn't giving me netnews, so I'm trying to find a solution, and I have not found one.
This sucks, because I use comp.emulators.apple2 as a help forum for EMU][, among other things.
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Then again, I try not to search on "teen panties" very often. :)
Nor do I. I know exactly where to find them....
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There's an Indian (not Native American, from India) guy here at work who one day asked a coworker if he could "bum a fag"... I don't know if the guy ever figured out he was asking to bum a cigarette or not... I was laughing so hard.
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Should have just bought one of these: SGI SAN 3000 It would be easier and cheaper to manage, scales better, and you wouldn't have to spend the money to create and maintain the file system.
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