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First Napster 2.0 Review
prostoalex writes "Matthew Fordahl from Associated Press is trying out Napster 2.0, which, according to the review, has some serious stability issues. At least for Fordahl the software 'repeatedly crashed during installation and brought down the entire computer with it.' They also have this picture of this Samsung Napster-branded digital music player."
2.0 little.
2.0 late.
2.0 bad.
Trolling is a art,
Well, given that S. Jobs just officially anounced iTunes for Windows, stability issues for Napster are moot for all those windows users out there.
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A) The software is beta
B) The issues the reviewer had seems to have been hardware related, as was stated in the article
So, do slashdot editors READ the story they post? How about those that submit it? Do they just read half way, find something they don't like, and submit?
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Even if nothing else is the same, thank goodness the logo's still there. It clearly means Napster is exactly the same. What a relief!
You tell me how "whilst" differs from "while," and I'll stop calling you a pretentious jackass.
I pity the poor man who thought that bringing Napster back to life in a politically correct version would be a viable business model.
This must be like what a teacher feels like when a student comes to class beat up by his parents. It's just so sad.
Oh well, on to Gnutella!
Napster is back, and competing with Itunes... Unfortunately selection sucks... although, the unlimited "listens" for $10 a month is attractive if you just want to have radio that plays what you want.... If they have it.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
"Napster, which works only on Windows-based computers"
next...
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
I won't even consider it until it's ($CURRENT_PRICE/2) and until the files are ($CURRENT_BITRATE*2). And until it's in (!($CURRENT_MEDIA_FORMAT)). Plus it only is going to have bands $BAD_BANDS[1]..$BAD_BANDS[134], which I don't listen too anyway.
And they should have thought of this ($DATE-(rand())) ago.
~will
sig?
worst. napster. ever.
repeatedly crashed during installation and brought down the entire computer with it.
Sounds like a bug in the operating system as well.
Surely the OS was sophisticated enough to allow you to kill the errant process and resume working as normal.
More and more corporations and universities (like mine) with fat pipes are issuing blanket bans on P2P software - and no, piping it through port 80 will not help since filetrading is still distinguishable from ordinary http traffic.
BOO! TERRO
"Fortunately, I had another PC available and did a fresh install of Windows just to be safe. This time, Napster installed, launched and allowed me to sign in before crashing. The program ran more reliably after I started it up again."
Wow, he's making great progress!
Napster 2.0 is Napster in name only. Sad to say, the files you can buy are WMA files, not mp3. Bummer. Guess we can shovel this into the same pile as buymusic.com...
As Steve Jobs said himself... "hell has frozen over" :)
:) (now, if only we can get a Linux port of iTunes)
I'm currently reloading Apple's site every 20 minutes... I can't wait to place iTunes on my Wintel boxes. Not only is the ITMS the shiznit... iTunes probably the best audio media player in town.
I'm anxiously waiting to give WinAMP a swift kick to the recycle bin
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Napster online music service, which has emerged from the ashes of the old free-for-all as a legal, recording industry-sanctioned, pay-to-play store.
It's not a phoenix flying free but bird that emerged to find a chain arond it's neck.
How many people do ya'll know do a fresh install "just to be sure" of Windows when installing programs? Do you windows users really do this sort of thing? Really?
This is a test. This is a test of the emergency sig system. This has been only a test.
Pay-for-play Napster sounds like Axl Rose making a GNR album without Slash. Its never as good as the original (or its replacements).
BTW, Napster 2.0 uses windows media with DRM. Thus rendering the 6-disc mp3 changer in my car useless were I to join. I think I'll stick with mp3 for now.
I say we call it CRASHTER
Blender And Linux Fan
MP3ers, time to start dishin off your collection and try buying music!
Hint: A CD with 15 tracks = 15$! Shouldn't this be CHEAPER than the real CDs? It is worse on quality, no artwork etc etc etc...
"Move along people, nothing to see here..."
---- Fear the mighty TsEA
Napster, which works only on Windows-based computers, will launch with half a million songs - more than its rivals. Still, that number pales in comparison to what was available on Napster 1.0 or today's illicit file-swapping networks.
What crap-tacular file-swapping net are you using. Any decent sized p2p has way more than 500kilo songs, and movies, and images, ect.
We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.
New products with the iTunes launch, it seems.
Well, it seems as if this thread, despite it being about Napster, is handling the iTunes situation.
Didn't any of you watch The Italian Job ?
Seth Green/Lyle is the real Napster!
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
Whenever I think of "Software crashing so bad it takes down the whole computer" I think it's probably more to do with that systems own problems and unstability than the software.
It reminds me of the time my friend tried to instal Norton Antivirus on his system and it crashed out during install and when he restarted his system hung at the waiting for local disk blurb.... The problem wasn't Norton, but rather a failing harddisk that had given plenty of signs with bad sectors, corrupt data, registry errors on startup and a host of other bugs he had ignored and eventually chaulked up to "must be a virus". Norton being the last thing installed was just bad timing for Norton. In the end a new harddrive later and a fresh install of everything (including Norton) the system is fine and working well.
Now granted there are occassional software bugs that lockup/freeze windows, but my personal opinion from my experience is that if I am not having any computer problems and an install bombs I try it again. If it does the exact same thing I hit up the manufacturers website for "known issues" if there is none listed I toss the software and don't look back until a patch or new version comes out.
Ave Molech Setting
Napster was free P2P filesharing. It's only as good as the number of people using it. "Napster 2.0" is a network you log into with an account you pay for, to get music off their central network. Brand loyalty only goes so far. Are any of us about to buy Red Hat brand cyanide? Actually...
What's to stop me from burning these WMA files to a CD and then re-ripping them to MP3?
It will be interesting to see if iTunes "just works" on Windows. I figure it wont. But will work good enough that people will like it. They will go around thinking as windows users do that they must be getting the same experience that Mac users do. That is a Totally wrong impression. And this might actually deter switchers.
Hey folks the grass IS greener on the mac side. Come on over.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Looking for Madonna? There are two tracks available. Garth Brooks has just one, a duet with Trisha Yearwood. And the Beatles? All the hits from John, Paul, George and Ringo are available - but performed on panpipes.
panpipes? Jerk, can't even spell bagpipes. and isn't it obvious it was an issue with his older computer if Napster worked on his second computer w/o any problems? Stupid computer-phobic journalists like this are causing the tech world problems...
I might be crazy, err I am crazy, but isn't that an antenna on the cobranded player? They really should have made it internal, but it's still really really cool. I've always hated having to plug in my mp3 plays to transfer music. Too bad it'll add $x to the cost of each player.
I'm tired of bombing the universe
The only thing that really is going to matter is the Napster brand - Apple had good branding and managed to start off well. Let's see if the Kitty has some more lives left in it.
Now that they are incorporating DRM into Napster, how will this affect the rest of the system we install it on? Will it grant WMP access to destroy illegal MP3 files? Could it give Roxio or even worse Microsoft, permissions to obtain specific information about our drive contents or system info? I guess we will have to wait for the 2,3867,278 page EULA...
On a seperate note, the article never mentions anything about the file format... Wonder what "special" (in the retarded sense) player we will have to use in order to listen to our new collection of "secure" music... And how long it will be until a player is created to circumvent the format's copy protection.
Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
I would, then take all of my enemies out to dinner, on me. Then, somehow, a bit of Red Hat goodness will be filling their drinks....
A BMW is more or less just tires and metal.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
iPod gets new audio recording mic, and CF reader.
ITunes gets, windows, Gift Certificates, Accounts with preset spending limits.
Sure slashdot will have a tread for this soon.
Ermmm...last I checked, I didn't take anything away from anyone else, in fact I was often welcomed to COPY files from other people.
Get it right people, quite spreading lies!
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
why did these morons post an AP news link from iWon? Don't they know that a lot of corporate firewalls block that crap site?
Does anyone amongst this board actually think people will start using Napster 2.0 and paying? People, albeit ignorant people, are still on Kazaa. To them Kazaa = free and easy. Napster 2.0 = not free, and I would say unstable, but I don't think the average user understands that, so i'll just say 'not easy.' Point being, I doubt this is going to go over very well. iTunes is barely detracting from the free networks. If winMX had a decent GUI that was mor euser friendly, people would just hop onto that once the Kazaa network was totally defunct. The RIAA is fighting a losing battle, and the people that make software to assimilate to them are just prolonging this process.
"ugh without the theft"
oh shut up.
Now music companies will choose which songs will go online, probably only new stuff, you want to find old stuff tough.
stupid frigging RIAA ruining everything.
Of the shambling, borg-assimilated body of the Napster cat?
Technoli
As the assistant to the deputy mayor of the internet I hereby shield the above post from any flames, attacks, or corrections from any typographical errors. This shield specifically covers, but is not limited to, the misplacement of commas. Any future posts referring to typos that do not change the contextual message of the above post will be considered posted by a jerk.
postmodernsideshow.com
Do you really think that people who download songs instead of buying official albums are really interested in branding?
Brief summary: (1) Has 20 GB (2) $399 (3) Line-in for recording (4) FM antenna (5) Can record FM radio (6) 10 hour battery life
Where the Music Matters
Crashes constantly, huh? That should make it just like Kazaa. Moot point, anyway, I guess since I'm not allowed to install Kazaa anymore and I'm not going to upgrade my Windows partition to a newer version just for that, when eDonkey is happy on NT4.
"As with the other legal services, songs purchased on Napster are more reliably a higher quality than those downloaded from a peer-to-peer network where you're never quite sure if the file was properly labeled, ripped on an underperforming computer or contained a virus."
I've been limiting my music searches by bit rate to 192 or higher for a while. There are some improperly labled or poorly sampled tracks, but in 3 minutes you'll have another copy which could be better. All for free.
IMHO, this is the primary flaw in the "pay-to-download" buisness model so many companies have tried to hang their hats on. I hope they come up with something better soon or the concept of legal downloads may suffer, free or otherwise.
-KSBrief summary: (1) Has 20 GB (2) $399 (3) Line-in for recording (4) FM antenna (5) Can record FM radio (6) 10 hour battery life
So it's basically a Neuros that's marked up $200 and crippled with DRM?
hell whats napster i thought IRC was the only TRUE P2P system out there that hasnt caught hell yet....o wait the servers i use are in australia nevermind.
So screw them. From their ugly page :
System Requirements PC only, Windows XP/2000, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.01 or higher, Windows Media Player 7.1 or higher, Internet connectivity
Napster is dead. One can't step into the same river twice.
We could have saved sixpence. We have saved fivepence.
Is it just me or do people associate negatively towards the name, Napster? IMO, there just isn't that old Napster flare (from back in v1.0) which makes me wonder if people will flock to it. Probably not. Had Roxio renamed the technology like gTunes or something, then maybe... Napster use to stand for free music... now it's a money machine. They should have renamed it.
Slashot coverage for Windows Itunes from Apple
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
"... from a peer-to-peer network ... you're never quite sure if the file ... contains a virus."
I keep hearing this included in the PR for the new wave of music sites. I've never heard of a virus-infected MP3 file. Am I wrong?
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. -Oscar Wilde
Ive tried iTunes and eMusic, etc.
MusicMatch has radio stations (lots), streaming artists, is a jukebox of course, and you can now buy music.
Its great, I love it.
I always felt that was the case. Of course, I've never used an MS product on a Mac so it might be par for the course.
Blar.
This is a stunning example of why using steal and theft is problematic for describing copyright infringement. The author uses the terms several times, but when trying to concretely apply it to what Napster ends up making serious complaint. How exactly did Napster users steal from each other? One user chose to make a file available to others and other users chose to take advantage of that offer. Neither user stole from the other. Stealing and theft are sloppy, inaccurate words for describing copyright infringement and end up confusing the conversation.
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I've gotten used to using mplayer to listen to Windows Media streams. Is there any chance the WM files with DRM (offered by services such as Napster) are going to work with mplayer on Linux?
This is sad indeed, an icon turned into another way to sell the same garbage that's been pushed on us for years.
Ah well, back to my indie music.
Karma Whoring for Fun and Profit.
iTunesSetup.exe (20,030,720 bytes)
Correct me if I'm wrong (yeah, like Slashdot readers need prompting in this regards)... but any audio file needs to ultimately be delivered to a sound card in digital format. What's to stop me from writing a DirectSound driver that takes this nice clean digital stream and saves it as a MP3?
Heck, for that matter it seems like I can fire up CoolEdit and record the audio as it's played.
So if I can easily strip off the DRM stuff and use it with my existing MP3 players... why do they insist on selling it to me that way?!?! I'm still waiting for a music download site that will provide a high quality music file in a format that I can actually use... even if the company goes out of business, even if I reformat my harddrive, even if... well you get the idea.
Wanted: witty unique signature. Must be willing to relocate.
Now might be a good time to point out that iTunes
is now available for Windows.
(Karma Whoring? What's that?)
Don't become a regular here -- you will become retarded.
Does anyone have Marlins world series tickets they want to get rid of?
AOL music linked to play in WinTunes and ACC encodes into MP3. Unlimited CD burns, cool visuals and more
Microsoft can take their WMA and shove it!
From the show, reverse order:
- Thank you. Steve Leaves stage. Broadcast over
- Jobs back on stage, saying thank you. We love what we do, and we work hard on it because we love it.
- Song ended. Everyone clapping
- Sarah singing again
- Sarah talking... proud of Steve Jobs and what Apple's done.
- Introducing Sarah Mclachlan... playing on stage now
- And now... London. Mick Jagger.
- Dr. Dre: Congrats on the iPod.
- Next to Los Angeles - DR. Dre
- Bono says he appreciates what Apple's done and that's why he's here to "kiss corporate ass. I don't always kiss corporate ass"
- "I'd like to teach the world to iTune... uh, sorry, wrong company." - Bono
- "Really happy to be here. It's like the Pope of software meeting up with the Dali Llama of integration" - Bono
- Bono is video chating with Steve Jobs
- First to Dublin.
- Some of the arists wanted to say a few words, but they are out touring. So, am going to use iChat. "Gotta use a Mac for that" (applause)
- REM, Black Eyed Peas, Grateful Dead - only place to find it online is iTunes, Coldplay.
- Now, talk about Artists. A Bunch of exclusive content.
- So, 100 million songs in the first year.
- Jobs: Historic promotion. Clearly going to make music lovers happy, and soft drink lovers happy, and labels and artists happy. Pepsi happy, and Apple happy. Everybody wins promotion.
- Pepsi, Diet Pepsi or Sierra Mist bottles.
- Introducing President of Pepsi (video)
- Just enter the code from the cap and download your favorite song. Starts on Feb 1, 2004 at the Superbowl
- Jobs: What else to get to the 100 million goal? We are giving away 100 million songs. Partnering with Pepsi. Pepsi is going to make 300 million bottles with 1 in 3 a winner. Give away them all in a 60 day time period.
- We're taking AOL's #1 music destination, and combining it with iTunes. It will be an unmatched offering.
- Introducing CEO of AOL - Jon Miller
- AOL users don't have to put in their Credit Card. Can enter their AOL ID and that's it.
- Talking about AOL's music store. Going to put iTunes buttons next to every song/album on AOL's music site. Will launch iTunes and show the song/album
- Exclusive partnership with AOL and Apple.
- But what if that's not enough? What else should we do? We're going to make it really easy for 25 million online users to discover music to get iTunes... to do that, we are announcing a partnership with AOL.
- Now, taking it to windows
- How are we going to do it? Mac customers will buy 30 million at current rate in year.
- Now, we are clearly the market leader here. We set some goals. We wanted to sell 1 million in the first 6 months, but sold 1 million in the first week. Reset goal to 10 milllion in 6 months, but reached it in 4 months. Now... want to sell 100 million songs in a year - by April 2004.
-http://www.itunes.com
- New iTunes available on both platforms Today! And is Free download.
- Grateful Dead on iTunes
- New exclusive content on the featured artists. Best of the Eagles. Not on CD yet, but can get it on iTunes today.
- Demoing Gift Certificants. Can buy or redeem. Sending on to Phil via form. Sending $50. "Happy Birthday Phil". Confirm purchase. How do I redeem one? I get it in my mail. Click on redeem now. Boom. brings up iTunes. Do you want to redeem it on this machine? And that's it. You get the credit in the itunes store.
- Showing Celeb Playlists. Dave Brubeck's, Sting's. Playing demos of songs they have chosen.
- david mccullough's biography of "john adams", recommending eb white's "charolette's web" again, listening to preview, showing browsing, it uses Mac-like scrollbars and widgets on Windows. robin williams, some are tagged with "explicit". fresh air on NPR - 767 Terry Gross programs
- Previewing Audio Books - Hillary Clinton
I continue to be amazed that there seems to be a certain number of people that continue to pay retail++ for used electronics on Ebay. I guess these are the same people willing to pay $12+ per electronic copy of a CD online. I say these people save themselves some money and go on down to the local circuit city and get a new hard drive and good sounding CD --- and have enough money left over for lunch and a movie.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
Like Napster is going to get anywhere with the labels after what they done, haaa haa
www.itunes.com
W, M, and A.
I wish people could get over the 'hype' of napster. All he(napster) did was rip off irc's method of sharing files and created a stripped down irc client for files that a simpleton could use, and I am pretty certain despite what may have been said or he(napster) has said he never thought this would turn out to be what it is today. If you couldn't get mp3 files before napster you don't deserve to have them in the first place. These are the same with people who are shocked to realize that you can actually download copyrighted software for free (gasp!) Despite all the kicking and screaming mp3s will never be shared for 'free' legally thats absurd. So it will just turn into what 'warez' are today. A select group of people not-paying for what suckers overpay for everyday, and a former tool used by pirates(yes thats what you are if you download copyrighted material) being used by corporations to rake in the dough.
Why in the hell are all these places not supporting Windows 98?
Has it occured to ANYONE that 99 cents a song is an outrageously expensive price for a digital music file?
So someone writes an article saying that Napster 2.0 is basically the same as iTunes. The only thing in the post, however, is an issue the reviewer had with a BETA copy of the sw, which was probably crashing because of some lame-ass driver being used by his hardware. This pro-Apple anti-Windows bias on /. is getting old. This post was a clear attack on Napster, trying to discredit it in favor of iTunes. Get some objectivity Michael.
This needs to be pointed out each and everytime someone thinks that using wma's isn't any different than mp3s.
I am beta testing Napster 2.0B (emphasis on the "B"), & it works fine nor has it ever crashed. EVER.
I'd rather pay $10 for all the music I want from a legal service then follow the immature and dishonest adolescent mentality that if you can get away with an illegal activity, you should. In fact, I've read posts stating that it's insane to pay for music when you could steal it.
Call me crazy, but my morals go deeper than a superficial external cloth that matches the monthly fashion.
We know that SCO has no claim to linux, but I marvel that someone has the basic knowledge of typing out and posting their opinion online but still doesn't know that the record industries and music artists HAVE COMPLETE CLAIM to their own music and that you're stealing just like a highschool freshman steals CDs from MediaPlay or Walmart when you use P2P to swap music.
I tried out the new Napster/Samsung player (it turned out to be SH*T!) Check out pictures here:
http://www.linenberg.com/nap/
I can not reccomend not to buy it enough!
-eric
I cant get it to work under WIneX, and pretty much most windows programs I can get to work with it.
Oh well..
..........FULL STOP.
And the Beatles? All the hits from John, Paul, George and Ringo are available - but performed on panpipes.
If that isn't worh the price of admission alone, I don't know what is.
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
Once again, same flawed comparison:
you're stealing just like a highschool freshman steals CDs from MediaPlay or Walmart
Say I'm stealing your CD. Do you mind the fact that suddenly I have a CD? Would you mind me having a CD with content just the same as yours? No, you're pissed off because suddenly you don't have your own CD anymore. Now if what I "steal" is some digital media, as result I have a CD but you still have it too. What you lost is some imaginary profit "in case I bought it from you". But your conditions/prices are so ridiculous, that I would never buy it from you anyway, so you would earn on me nothing so you lose nothing. Well, maybe you're pissed off that I don't appreciate your work enough to pay the ridiculous prices you demand? More self-criticism advised then, and lowering self-esteem a bit - maybe you didn't deserve as much as you asked for in the first place?
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Is that a breathalyser sticking out the top?
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
The artical which seems to ramble on about stealing this stealing that ommited to mention, ITS ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE AMERICA!
Also, other limitations are:
* Media Player v7.1+ required
* Win2k/XP only
* Only RIAA lables (use this support em), little guys get fuck all.
GPLv2: I want my rights, I want my phone call! DRM: What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
... Um not all of us use P2P for music only. I still need to download ISOs and other files so p2p networks still have legit uses. And what about the cd that I accidentally stepped on earlier (oops) that is now crushed so I can't make a back up of it because its too late. I'm certainly not going to pay again for those songs, I'll go back it up with Kazaa right now. And what about my city's local bands that aren't out for blood and money but rather dont mind giving away their music and the most cost effective way for them to do that is with kazaa? At their concerts they tell people to download it off Kazaa. Free P2P networks do have legitimate reasons. I find more and more reasons everyday, I just wish I had time to list them all right now. I don't think Napster will succeed, but the point I'm trying to get across is that I hope just because these services are coming out now that free services like Kazaa dont go away.
-Steve
P.S. Does anyone else find it ironic that the same company that we were rooting for a few years ago, we are hoping fails now? Kinda sounds like the opposite of the whole IBM situation. Just something I thought was worth mentioning.
Boy, there are some real winners buried in here...
Napster reserves the right at any time and from time to time to modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Service (or any part thereof) with or without notice to you, without any liability to you or to any third party.
Napster may in its sole discretion terminate this Agreement or suspend your account at any time without notice to you in the event that you breach (or Napster reasonably suspects that you have breached) any provision of this Agreement. If Napster terminates this Agreement, or suspends your account for any of the reasons set forth in this paragraph, it shall have no liability or responsibility to you, and Napster will not refund any amounts that you have previously paid.
Whee! So if i sign up, and Napster "reasonably suspects" that I've been a bad boy, they can shut me off and keep my money.
You understand and agree that your cancellation of your account and Service membership is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Napster.
And better yet, they can cancel the service and not pay back any fees you've already paid them. They can change the terms of service unilaterally (remember eMusic?) without giving you your money back. And all you can do is cancel your account and not pay any future fees.
But it gets better:
The Client will count the number of times that you play a Download, including while you are offline, for royalty accounting and analysis purposes.
If you have Tracks that were pre-loaded to your personal computer, portable device or CD, you may access and play these Tracks as Downloads only after you have registered for Premium Service membership. You may not otherwise access or play these Tracks and you agree not to attempt to do so.
So not only are they tracking what you download, they're (1) insisting that you sign up for the premium service to transfer your own CDs to the Napster media player, and (2) tracking whatever you upload or download to the software for "royalty accounting and analysis purposes."
Does anyone doubt that the RIAA's lawyers will be doing a careful "analysis" of any pre-Napster tracks that you upload to the software? And I suspect the software will very helpfully go through your hard drive, find those files for you, and import them when you subscribe to the "premium service."
Methinks the cat should be left in the bag, so to speak...