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Stolen Laptop Alarms

torok writes "Three Engineering students from Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, BC, Canada have developed a laptop alarm complete with remote pager that detects if your laptop is being moved and sounds an alarm. The article is a bit sketchy on details, but it sounds like a cool idea."

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  1. I go to Simon Fraser University by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and if I hear one of these going off during a test, I'll find the engineers and beat them up!

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    1. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How true though. Honestly, do we need another car alarm type of device? I live in a very high density urban setting, and we are plagued with car alarms constantly. As my uncle once put it, they are the most ignored (yet annoying) sound in America. The police only care about them because of the noise. I am willing to wager my life on at least 99% of the actual, real-world car alarm soundings are false alarms of one sort or another. And I'm not just talking about worthless (except for car finding for the inept) panic buttons. We're trying to deal with air pollution, we're looking at light pollution, now let's save our ears with less noise pollution. Please!

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    2. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "... and if I hear one of these going off during a test, I'll find the engineers and beat them up!"

      Or you'll just use the internet to threaten them anonymously.

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    3. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by Jim_Hawkins · · Score: 2, Interesting
      As my uncle once put it, they are the most ignored (yet annoying) sound in America.

      Heh. I know some people who would disagree with you.

    4. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by MrDickey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even though they are ignored by most people, think of it in the reference frame a car thief. Would you want the car you are attempting to steal to sound off a siren? Yeah, car alarms are annoying, but they also work.

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    5. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by apparently · · Score: 0

      with the given that the siren is most likely going to be ignored? No, it wouldn't be a big deal given that...given.

    6. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      What ? you don't think this is my real name ?

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    7. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm in 2nd year engineering @ SFU. w3 r0x0r!!!!!

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    8. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 1
      Regardless of whether anyone even cares about the noise that an alarm makes, many thieves can disable the alarm before it even gets a chance to go off. It really isn't that hard to force the hood open and disconnect the battery in under a minute, especially if you work the same kind of car. Car alarms may deter a drunken idiot who is trying to steal a car to get from point A to point x, but that doesn't have anything to do with the professional thieves who are the really scary ones. Those are the folks you're not going to get your stuff back from.

      The difference here is that with the laptop alarm, the brash, impulsive types can easily pull off a theft (if not a regular wherever it occurs) by simply grabbing the laptop and running. The professionals who do it more slickly may be thrown a curveball by a noisemaker, and will have to resort to some sort of attention-getting activities or give up.

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    9. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by maduro55 · · Score: 1

      How did an Ohio State football player get a Canadien university named after him. Sorry, I'm a geek and a Buckeye fan.

    10. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by Stelix · · Score: 1

      It's not JUST the alarm that deters the thief. I know LOTS of people who would be quite delighted to be notified instantly of someone stealing their laptop and CHASE them down!! STELIX.CA for more info!

    11. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by Stelix · · Score: 1

      hey, let me know when you've got a test and I'll make one of them go off! :) and then ill be right there for you to beat up too!!

  2. Damn laptop alarms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like car alarms, I'm sure that laptop alarms will prove to be an important tool in the war on theft... not. This is going to be annoying as hell.

    1. Re:Damn laptop alarms by nodwick · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The creators say exactly the same thing:
      The beauty of the electronic beast, according to Mitchell, is it allows the laptop owner to be mobile, which is, after all, the whole idea of laptops. There are few false alarms because of the deactivating device and the distance required between the laptop and its owner (about 15 feet) before the gizmo works.

      "There are lots of systems out there that have just a thing that detects motion, so it blasts a siren just like the car alarms that no one listens to these days," said Mitchell.

      What they don't say is how their device solves the problem. As far as I can tell, when it goes off, it still makes the same annoying sounds.

      I disagree that loud laptop alarms won't be effective because they're unnoticed -- after all, the places they'd be used would most likely be study areas or libraries, which are typically very quiet. A 105 decibel alarm in such an area would certainly get people's attention. The problem is that it'd be terribly obnoxious as well. Personally, I think if someone did use one of these somewhere like a library, it'd work great scaring off the would-be thief but not so great against the subsequent mob coming to bash it into silence with textbooks and binders ...

    2. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think if someone did use one of these somewhere like a library, it'd work great scaring off the would-be thief but not so great against the subsequent mob coming to bash it into silence with textbooks and binders ...

      Possibly. Then again, people in the library may be GLAD the laptop gets stolen (anything to shut the noise! :-)

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    3. Re:Damn laptop alarms by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Projections and claims of low false alarms are most assuredly false themselves. Pretty much everything any product developer/manufacturer says is an exaggeration. We all know this.

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    4. Re:Damn laptop alarms by daveo0331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree that loud laptop alarms won't be effective because they're unnoticed -- after all, the places they'd be used would most likely be study areas or libraries, which are typically very quiet

      Unfortunately, a lot of laptop theft happens in really noisy places like airports and train stations. If one of these goes off in the terminal at O'Hare or LAX, it will get ignored. I agree it would be useful at the library though.

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    5. Re:Damn laptop alarms by FlameboyC11 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I doubt in this time and age, a black box being carried by a rapidly walking person making a loud, alarm like noise would be disregarded in any sort of transportation terminal. Airports have been locked-down for less...

    6. Re:Damn laptop alarms by pfish · · Score: 1
      The beauty of the electronic beast, according to Mitchell, is it allows the laptop owner to be mobile, which is, after all, the whole idea of laptops. There are few false alarms because of the deactivating device and the distance required between the laptop and its owner (about 15 feet) before the gizmo works.

      So...if the owner walks away from his laptop, it will go off? Great...

    7. Re:Damn laptop alarms by javatips · · Score: 1

      No it will not... you sould have RTFA a bit more closely... They device motion sensor will be activated when the owner if 15 or more feet away from the device.

      So it will go off only if someone move the laptop when the owner is not near.

    8. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 5, Funny
      Unfortunately, a lot of laptop theft happens in really noisy places like airports and train stations. If one of these goes off in the terminal at O'Hare or LAX, it will get ignored.

      So have an "airport mode" for the system that changes the alarm from a generic siren to a prerecorded message. Something like, oh...

      I AM A BOMB!
      I AM A BOMB!
      ...AND BY THE WAY, THE PERSON CARRYING ME HAS BEEN FEELING VERY DEPRESSED LATELY...
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    9. Re:Damn laptop alarms by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but after the TSA shoots the thief and then blows up your laptop just to be safe, you're still out a laptop.

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    10. Re:Damn laptop alarms by hypermod · · Score: 1

      Let's see, how does the sales pitch start?
      "For those of you stupid enough to leave your laptop around in a public place..."
      You cannot carry cars around in your backpack, at least not yet, but laptops, last time I checked, were portable.

    11. Re:Damn laptop alarms by daveo0331 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But on the plus side, that's one less laptop thief, and your data hasn't been stolen. Big companies tend to worry a lot more about people stealing confidential data than they do about having to pay to replace hardware.

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    12. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to disagree... If I am around anyone who has a 105 db noise maker I am going to punch them out.

    13. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Stelix · · Score: 1

      The article OF COURSE doesn't go into GREAT detail. There is an option to disable the SIREN on the laptop and JUST have the notification on your remote. This way, in a place such as a library you will still be notified right away if someone moves your laptop when you're not in the immediate vicinity! More info at STELIX.CA

    14. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Stelix · · Score: 1
      "Most assuredly false themselves"?? Come on now?! Just a LITTLE bit of a generalization. Of course false alarms are never ZERO, but you can understand how they can be greatly reduced by

      FIRST: being inhibited from alarming when you're near, and

      SECOND: allowing for a ~5sec delay after being notified (so, for example, if you turn around to your laptop and see that a truck went by someone accidentally brushed by you will have an opportunity to mitigate false alarms).

      Check out some more details at STELIX.CA if you're interested!

    15. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Stelix · · Score: 1
      That's a good point! However, the data on the laptop is OFTEN MOST important to the individual and not to some thief (this device isn't targeted at industrial espionage...)

      It's great if your personal work/homework/contacts or anything not recently backed up is ENCRYPTED, etc, etc.... But how does that help YOU if you're laptop is gone?!

      So that's why stopping the theft at the POINT OF STEALING is nearly as important!

  3. What it doesn't do by mgv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remote tracking

    Its one thing to know that your laptop is being stolen, and another to be able to track it down.

    Something with a GPS would be more useful.

    Michael

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    1. Re:What it doesn't do by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My boss had his work laptop stolen. Someone broke into his car while on a business trip, left the CDs, DVDs, etc. and took the computer. Despite calling to various pawn shops and computer shops, it has not turned up. It probably never will.

      You are correct: an alarm is useless. If you are in a mall or store and your car alarm goes off, will you notice? Doubtful. But if your car had GPS, the police could track it down and recover it. Same with laptops.

      Of course, we do not need Big Brother looking out for us, so any such system needs to have privacy measures built in, to include requiring consent of the owner (with some form of ID and proof of ownership) or a warrant from a judge to back it up.

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    2. Re:What it doesn't do by rampant+mac · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Remote tracking"

      That reminds me of a story... Some guy tracked down a stolen iMac using Applescript and Timbucktu.

      It's actually an interesting read to see how this guy traced an iMac stolen from his sister's home.

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    3. Re:What it doesn't do by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well a GPS is nice, but a GPS is not a homing device in and of itself. GPS devices recieve, they do not transmit. The only reason that services like OnStar work is by integrating a [analog] cell phone into the system somehow. If this was external, it would be simply to sever it from the laptop. If this device was internalized, laptops would have to increase noticeably in size and weight. Though this would be cool, it would involve monthly/yearly fees as well as weight and power tradeoffs. Most laptop users wouldn't want those tradeoffs. I know I wouldn't. If can simply not be lazy and put the damned thing in standby and bring it with you when it needs to be out of eyesight, it will never have the chance of being stolen. Cool, huh?

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    4. Re:What it doesn't do by nodwick · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah, that was my first thought too. What's stopping them from adding that? One word: cost.

      Your typical motion sensor lock runs for $50 list, probably less on the street. Add an entry-level GPS receiver, retailing for around $120. Toss in extra money to support a transceiver that broadcasts the notebook's position (remember, the GPS unit by itself just lets the notebook know where it is; you have to have some way for it to send that location to you), tamper-proofing/camoflage (how good's your GPS receiver if the thief just snaps off your antenna?), monthly charges for monitoring and a call center, and you're probably looking at $400 or more plus subscription. That might be peanuts for a car of $20,000+, but on your $1000 laptop, that's a significant chunk of change.

    5. Re:What it doesn't do by jhunsake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      your car alarm goes off, will you notice?

      No, and no one else will either. Alarms going off has become so prevalent in our society that most people ignore them. When was the last time you saw someone concerned about a car alarm going off? I live in a college town and everyone ignores fire alarms because they are falsely triggered (ie intentionally pulled) all the time. I think the only alarms people pay attention to anymore are the ones we use to wake up. And that's only because they're so damn annoying.

    6. Re:What it doesn't do by puhuri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you are overestimating the add expenses because lots of that stuff can be integrated to laptop with a lot lower cost when it is designed. I think motion sensor (a chip) itself does not cost much and a PC has enough processing power to handle signal same way sa temperature sensors (I think in stand-alone system prosessing, battery and case are the most expensive part, not the actual sensor).

      A GPS system is not a good method to locate laptops, because they are mostly used indoors - cars are much more frequently used outdoors :-). You can have a cellular phone integrated in your laptop (or on PC Card) and use it for both locating postion and sending information on location. The postition accuracy is not as good as with GPS, but it works also indoors.

      In my opinion, the extra cost is only motion sensor (manufacturer could use that to void warraty if computer has got too hard hits :-( ), and software.

      If these devices becomes common, then the thiefs start carrying metal cases where they drop stolen laptops and then reinstal laptop in some place that does not have cellular coverage.

    7. Re:What it doesn't do by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Someone broke into his car while on a business trip, left the CDs, DVDs, etc. and took the computer

      I'm working at a consulting company, i.e. programmer-for-hire. This is a MAJOR problem. Thieves are on the lookout for your laptop and they are not easily scared. We've had several stories: people going for a cup of coffee - laptop gone. People coming home, unloading groceries, coming back for the laptop - gone.

      We've even had people who walked to their car, opened the passenger's side and put their laptop in. Then walked to the other side of the car and go and sit behind the wheel, just to see a hand grabbing their laptop. Thugs actually waited on the carpark waiting for people to get into their cars!!! You have to be extremely paranoid nowadays.

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    8. Re:What it doesn't do by tftp · · Score: 1

      Accelerometers are quite expensive ($100 for sufficiently sensitive ones.) They can be built into the notebooks; however with today's price of a new, good notebook being well below $1000 there is not much room for innovation...

    9. Re:What it doesn't do by Vexinator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you are overlooking something important:

      The loss of the laptop hardware is often peanuts compared to the value of data residing on its hard disk.

      Filesystem encryption is a "good thing"...

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    10. Re:What it doesn't do by hondo_san · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OK, so the guy tracked his stolen laptop. I've often thought about a way to run that as a daemon. How about a trojan "periscope" app that talks to headquarters whenever an Internet connection is established, and if the laptop is stolen, the stealee can not only track, but instruct the laptop to eat the cyanide pill.

      "Hi, thanks for calling tech support, my name is Larry, how can I help?"

      "Yeah, I've got a problem. That stupid laptop theft thingie, well yeah, umm, like I've got this Powerpoint presentation that I have to give tomorrow, and well, like I think I typed the wrong password and the thing said 'no operating sytem found'."

      Nevermind...

    11. Re:What it doesn't do by armando_wall · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If can simply not be lazy and put the damned thing in standby and bring it with you when it needs to be out of eyesight, it will never have the chance of being stolen. Cool, huh?

      Yeah, I rememeber that when I was in college, I had an HP48G calculator (not exactly a laptop, but the point is still valid), and I had this policy that went: "If I doubt whether I put the calculator inside my bag, even if I'm 99% sure it is, I'll check anyways". It was annoying to check several times a day, but I never lost it.

    12. Re:What it doesn't do by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alarms going off has become so prevalent in our society that most people ignore them. When was the last time you saw someone concerned about a car alarm going off?

      It depends on the alarm. Anything that sounds like an alarm (or a cellphone) will get ignored. A more cunning alarm would shout "Fire!", "Rape!", "Help! I'm being kidnapped" or "Free beer!"

    13. Re:What it doesn't do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You have to be extremely paranoid nowadays.

      So... are you paranoid enough to encrypt all of your sensitive data on the laptop?

    14. Re:What it doesn't do by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      I hear Zoloft can work wonders on that disorder. It will also help with how you have to turn the lights on and off 17 times before leaving a room.

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    15. Re:What it doesn't do by CaptBubba · · Score: 1
      There's already something somewhat like that for buisnesses. Computrace allows for tracking of stolen computers when they come online. The client "phones home" every now and then and is generally ignored unless you contact them and tell them the computer is missing or stolen. I'd assume one an IP address has been associated with the stolen hardware all that would be required to find it would be a few subpoenas in the right places.

      What's even more interesting is that the client can be issued a command to delete everything on the stolen machine, if the company is willing to fork over $200 every time it happens.

      Sure, it isn't cheap at $50 for a year of monitoring per machine, but short of replacing the hard drive there's apparently not much a theif can do to get rid of it. According to their FAQ thier agent can survive a repartition and reformat, although I have a hard time seeing how.

    16. Re:What it doesn't do by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I remember having a very similar device to this. Basically, it was a transmitter that attached to the laptop, and you had a reciever. The reciever could be calibrated for 10 or 20 foot range, and anything outside of that would cause it to beep.

    17. Re:What it doesn't do by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      I remember some survey. It seemed surprisingly few people reacted to a desperate female voice yelling RAPE or help!

      I think most people are not _ignoring_ alarms, they just dont care.

    18. Re:What it doesn't do by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      No, but before I handed my old laptop back to the company, I wiped files, empty diskspace and swapspace with secure delete.

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    19. Re:What it doesn't do by bug-eyed+monster · · Score: 1

      Hmm... maybe we should be paranoid enough to never leave any sensitive data on the laptop itself... Put the encrypted data in a USB drive and take the drive with you whenever you're not using the laptop.

    20. Re:What it doesn't do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I remember some survey. It seemed surprisingly few people reacted to a desperate female voice yelling RAPE or help!

      It was a study. And yes, yelling FIRE was more effecting at getting people's attention. If it's a fire, someone might get hurt, dontcha know.

    21. Re:What it doesn't do by JoeBuck · · Score: 1

      So program your laptop to upload a file to your ISP giving the laptop's location (determined from a GPS device) every time the laptop connects to the net. The first time the bad guy goes online, he's nailed.

    22. Re:What it doesn't do by blugu64 · · Score: 1

      hummm...tinfoil laptops....so much for 802.11b....

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    23. Re:What it doesn't do by CaseyB · · Score: 1

      And by the way, didn't you leave the stove on when you left for work this morning?

    24. Re:What it doesn't do by chrj · · Score: 1

      You are correct: an alarm is useless. If you are in a mall or store and your car alarm goes off, will you notice? Doubtful.

      I have no experience with car alarms, but the nice feature in the laptop alarm, which i think you're missing, is the remote pager. Then you will most certainly notice. From the article:

      Step away from your laptop and the palm-held end of the device notifies you if your laptop is being moved. You then have five seconds to either disarm a siren on the other end of the device before it goes off, or let it blare out the news to the whole world that something is wrong.

    25. Re:What it doesn't do by Stelix · · Score: 1
      First: IF you were to retrieve your laptop with some GPS or other software tracker that CALLS in when it's connected to the internet, you think it's gonna be in good shape? These things are passed down the ladder thru 7-8 people before someone takes a look at it.. and then begins to pick it apart!

      This also may surprise you: but police aren't really interested in tracking stolen laptops, much like tracking down and punishing car thieves... There's just not enough resources!

      STELIX.CA for more info on the device!

    26. Re:What it doesn't do by Stelix · · Score: 1
      I just wanted to say THANKS for reading the whole article!!! hahaha... seems like numerous people commenting missed some KEY features/points!

      more info on the device @ stelix.ca

    27. Re:What it doesn't do by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Lazy: of course not! ;)
      Forgetful: sometimes!

      NOT simple to sever it! check out the website stelix.ca for pictures of the final product.

      Internal to laptop: in the future with an external power supply, without adding more than 50-75grams. A tradeoff I'm sure lots would be happy to make! :) And still no monthly/yearly fees!

    28. Re:What it doesn't do by Stelix · · Score: 1
      However, this is extremely prone to false alarms! Because ALL it is is an alarm that goes off upon separation of you and your laptop. This may work to prevent 5% of laptop thefts.... So I don't agree that it's NEAR similar!

      check out more info on the device at Stelix.ca

  4. suggested alarm sound by netfall · · Score: 3, Funny

    DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!! Now if only the robot would come and kick the crap out of the guy taking the laptop... that would be great.

    1. Re:suggested alarm sound by Dimensio · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about 'dummy' laptops that, when stolen, could be triggered to explode. You could get rid of computer thieves that way.

    2. Re:suggested alarm sound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOT FUNNY.

      Don't quit your day job of being unemployed.

    3. Re:suggested alarm sound by Chatmag · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about the "You've Got Mail" voice, over and over and over, etc. A lot of the general public is already conditioned to react negatively to anything AOL related, so I figure they would attack the thief out of habit.

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  5. Stolen Laptop Alarms by indianseason · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this where I can look at stolen laptop alarms? Mine was stolen last week on the subway...

    1. RE: Stolen Laptop Alarms by BReflection · · Score: 4, Funny

      The obvious question here being, who on earth would want to steal a laptop alarm, and what about the laptop?

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    2. Re:Stolen Laptop Alarms by Squiffy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was thinking, "Who would steal a laptop alarm?"

      Then I thought, "Oh, someone was alarmed by a stolen laptop." I'd find that pretty alarming.

      But seriously, I can see how an alarm would be useful for a stolen laptop. I mean, whoever took it knows that you can't trust anyone.

    3. Re: Stolen Laptop Alarms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The obvious question here being, who on earth would want to steal a laptop alarm, and what about the laptop?


      The theif police are dubbing "The Smartarse."
    4. Re: Stolen Laptop Alarms by Frogbert · · Score: 1
      The theif police are dubbing "The Smartarse."


      He is also wanted in relation to a series of break ins at burgular alarm factories, prisons and police stations.
    5. Re: Stolen Laptop Alarms by pknoll · · Score: 1
      Somewhat OT, but I actuall have an old friend who used to steal cars. At times, he was so annoyed by people installing expensive alarm systems on cars he'd never consider stealing, he'd steal them.

      Meaning, he'd steal the alarm system, leaving the car where it was parked.

      I consider his most shining moment, however, his stealing of a car that had an alarm system installed. However, this time he left the alarm behind, sitting in the car's now empy parking space with it's own battery, shrieking away...

      Ah. Memories.

  6. Sign me up by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

    Depends on the price of course... but up to maybe $100, I'd definitely be interested in one of these.
    *guards our preccciouss....*
    maybe now I can get a drink in the cafeteria without keeping my head aimed at my laptop...

    1. Re:Sign me up by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there's probably some company in China that's already prototyped a cheap knockoff in the last day or two that'll be on the market in 2 weeks for $25 :)

      As for the alarm side of things, instead of noise, I'd personally like a laptop security system that had a smokecloak-type system installed in it:

      http://www.smokecloak.com

      When the alarm goes off, it generates an enormous amount of smoke/fog from a liquid. Gets a LOT of attention and in a small room, would prevent anything else from being stolen.

      I'd definately have one of those installed if I owned a retail business.

      Infact, I wish they'd make a car model - would make it pretty tough to steal a car if the passenger compartment slowly (so that the thief would hopefully be smart enough to stop safely before the vision was totally obscured) filled with dense smoke so the thief couldn't see.

      N.

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  7. Targus Defcon by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps not exactly the same, but it's already been done for $50.

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    1. Re:Targus Defcon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I already have one, I bought in taiwan for less than that. Prolly isn't as high tech but such things do exist (I doubt it even has a brand name, but im too lazy to check.)

    2. Re:Targus Defcon by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ok, so I read the article a little more closely, and yes, their idea is good, but it's also pretty costly for what it does. Basically, a little common sense is all you need. No security system is failproof. Everyone knows that even though it's unlikely, your home could get broken into this very night. Still, you'll leave your laptop unsecured on a desk or in a bag or wherever seems fit. However, if you're in a library or a coffee shop or wherever you wouldn't normally leave your laptop unoccupied, would you really want to get up and go to the bathroom assuming it is protected by a $95 hack? I wouldn't, and I consider myself trusting. But I sure as hell am not going to trust my PowerBook to any security device other than my watchful eye. Oh, and could there ever be insurance if it failed to operate? If the product came with a big disclaimer, that should raise red flags right away.

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    3. Re:Targus Defcon by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone knows that even though it's unlikely, your home could get broken into this very night.

      Not just unlikely, but improbable. Somebody broke into my mother in law's fenced-in yard. It has a brand new steel fence with a gate. So someone walked up and opened the man-sized gate, no big deal. He stole a flatbed trailer. How they got the trailer into the yard, I do not know, and how this guy got the thing out, I do not know. Obviously he did not drive a truck through the fence. The only thing I can think of is four of five guys turned it sideways and walked through the gate or passed it over the top of the fence.

      My point is, thieves strike at the worst times in the most improbable ways. You never see it coming because you do not expect it to come. Always be prepared: keep your shit locked up, and make sure you have insurance. If a laptop is stolen from your house, most home insurance policies should cover the loss. Even with depreciation you should get enough to help cover the cost of a new laptop.

      --
      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    4. Re:Targus Defcon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      way to respond to yourself jerkass

    5. Re:Targus Defcon by dandelion_wine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Calhouns in Van is a popular place to study, write papers, and whatnot. 24 hour coffee and snacks. But if you're there by yourself, you gonna pack up your laptop when you go to the bathroom? I don't think so. Not going to the bathroom? Well, I be drinkin coffee.

      You're right. A lock is necessary, but I wouldn't leave my laptop for 5 minutes simply locked down, nor would I leave it unlocked and alarmed. Shackle it to the table and add the alarm, however, and suddenly I'm in excellent shape if someone wants to try to take it. Added to which, it would kill the nonchalance factor of someone trying to pretend it's theirs, if the place is busy.

      There's always a way around security. The question is, if you make it enough trouble, is someone going to bother going after yours?

    6. Re:Targus Defcon by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm late to the party, so I'm tagging along on your comment, but this idea is hardly new, I had a 286 Bondwell laptop that came with a built-in alarm. It was a mercury type switch, once set, if you moved the laptop, a BIOS-type password would lock the hard drive and a *LOUD* wail would be emitted.

      This was way back in 1992....

      --
      So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
    7. Re:Targus Defcon by TheNumberSix · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can also get "Computer Riders" on home insurance policies which specifically cover losses and damage to your home computers/laptops.

      I have one and it cost about an extra $12.00 per year on my renter's insurance.

      A pretty fair deal for the amount of gear I have.

      --
      Never confuse feeling with thinking.
    8. Re:Targus Defcon by sirReal.83. · · Score: 1

      My parents live in the boondocks. Their house has been robbed twice. The first time, the baddies entered through an unlocked window and stole a stereo, $1000 emergency cash, and my dad's wedding ring, which was given to him my my mother's grandmother. He was a freelance carpenter at the time, so he didn't wear it at work. That sucked a lot.

      The second time, someone broke into the garage, half of which is used as a wood shop. They stole all his tools. That time, however, his insurance bought him a full set of brand-spankin new tools. Oh yeah, and the baddies didn't bother to take any of the really old (but really good) hammers or angle cutters. That theft actually worked out for the better.

      Agreed, you've got to lock everything up. But sometimes... getting robbed is good. Go figure.

    9. Re:Targus Defcon by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you have time to lock the bastard down and turn on an alarm, wouldn't you also have time to press the suspend button, close it up, and carry it with you? You could save enough money to maybe go to a nicer coffee shop where people don't jack your laptop all the time too. :-)

      --
      I am feeling fat and sassy
    10. Re:Targus Defcon by dandelion_wine · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you have time to lock the bastard down and turn on an alarm, wouldn't you also have time to press the suspend button, close it up, and carry it with you?

      Not if I've got a half dozen papers open on the thing. Plus, I hate lugging stuff into a bathroom stall. The hook is always non-existant/ripped out, and you end up putting stuff on the floor or on your lap.

      This is a nice place, but I'm not prepared to test human nature with my laptop as bait. :)

    11. Re:Targus Defcon by Stelix · · Score: 1
      You can call that similar if you like!!!

      1. did you enjoy SETTING your alarm everytime you left it? or did u quickly stop setting it when you were leaving for JUST A SEC?..

      2. how fun was it to DISABLE the alarm when you came back to the laptop? (at the same time trying not to move it?)

      thats all i gotta say about that! :)

    12. Re:Targus Defcon by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      It was a simple kep combination, customized by me. Once to turn it on, once to turn it off.

      Piece of cake.

      --
      So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
    13. Re:Targus Defcon by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Really?? I didn't like it. It was ALWAYS beeping.. little warning chirps and stuff and too big to carry around.

      My thoughts anyway...

  8. Profit Potential by use_compress · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Secretly Detach Laptop Alarm
    2. Attach to dog Bowser and set dog free.
    3. Claim that laptop was lost.
    4. ???.
    5. Profit.
    6. Buy new laptop with alarm.
    7. Repeat.

  9. Next step: detonator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't find the guy who walked off with your laptop, press button 'B' and collect his ashes.

    1. Re:Next step: detonator by pooman · · Score: 0

      but how will you know where the ashes are, if you don't know where the guy and the laptop is?

    2. Re:Next step: detonator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you will hear the explosion.

  10. I had a security lock... by SisyphusShrugged · · Score: 1

    I had a security lock...a long time ago, it wasnt very secure though! It locked to the security cable but the plastic hook that the cable went into was busted off quite easily accidentally one time.

    I wonder how feasible this idea is though, it seems like it would involve more difficulties than it is worth!

    1. Re:I had a security lock... by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      It locked to the security cable but the plastic hook that the cable went into was busted off quite easily accidentally one time.

      Any security system is as strong as its weakest link. I would not trust a plastic hook to keep it secure. Hell, I would not trust most metal pieces either. It better take a big pair of bold cutters and arms the size of my legs to break that steel.

      --
      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    2. Re:I had a security lock... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep on stealing you asshole. Fuck you. You suck.

      In bed.

    3. Re:I had a security lock... by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Let me know about the difficulties you foresee?

      all you do is TURN it on at first and leave it?!. you do NOTHING else unless a theft is in progress!?....

      more info on the product at stelix.ca thanks

  11. How is it going to work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Beep beep beep, you laptop is being stolen.

    Beep beep beep, you will never see it again.

    Beep beep beep, haha.

    1. Re:How is it going to work? by dandelion_wine · · Score: 1

      Man, personalizing would be the way to go!

      How many of us, as teens, made a photosensor in shop and attached it to a tape recorder. Even if only to freak out the sibs/parents the first time they open the door to your room to have your recorded voice shouting "boo!" or your dog barking loudly.

      Everyone having alarms -- well, I'd recognize my voice through a lot of interference, not to mention our aural sensitivity to our own name. DANDELION WINE!!! Your laptop is being stolen! $100 cash to the person who grabs this mofo!!!

    2. Re:How is it going to work? by Stelix · · Score: 1
      The whole point is you get notified and go catch the thief!

      unless you ARE too cowardly...?

      you actually sound like a disgruntled laptop thief!!

  12. My personal way by Bobdoer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just keep a laptop that isn't worth stealing.

    1. Re:My personal way by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just keep a laptop that isn't worth stealing.

      The only laptop I have is when my wife... oh, you meant laptop computer, right?

      --
      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    2. Re:My personal way by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I just keep a laptop that isn't worth stealing."

      Yeah, I run Linux too. The joke's on them when they pop in Vice City!!

      (Man I hope the mods are in good humor today.)

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    3. Re:My personal way by MtlDty · · Score: 1

      Yeah, me too. I got a Tablet PC.

      In all seriousness though, how useful is a stolen laptop? My Windows XP based Tablet has a logon, without that you cant get into windows. There are no floppy/etc drives to boot from as alternatives, even the USB isnt initialised until Windows starts. In short then, how would a thief even begin to make use of my laptop?

  13. Why do people steal laptops? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder what possesses people to steal others' laptops. Is there a deep insatiable need to steal inherent in the theives that brings them to that point? Are they doing it for kicks? Are used laptops really selling for so much at pawn shops and computer shows?

    If we could understand the motivations of the theives, perhaps we could do away with these band-aid measures and find a way to keep laptops safe without having to resort to alarms, locks, and any number of other gizmos that only make owning a laptop a pain in the ass.

    --
    I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
    1. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by photonX · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I wonder what possesses people to steal others' laptops. Is there a deep insatiable need to steal inherent in the theives that brings them to that point?"

      I guess the same thing that keeps me from going down to Best Buy every payday to buy a new laptop is what motivates the thieves. It's like walking into the library and seeing a stack of hundred dollar bills sitting on a table.

      Now, what I would *really* like to see is an exploding dye packet, like the ones the banks slip into the stolen money during robberies. Slide it in and close the cover. When the thief opens the lid for the first time...BAM...all of a sudden he looks like one of those blue guys in the Pentium ads. Oh, wouldn't that be good fun!

      --
      Anti-gravity? That was *my* little secret! But I never patented it! Boy, was *that* dumb!
    2. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by daveo0331 · · Score: 1

      Thieves are often more interested in the data on the laptop than they are in the laptop itself. Nobody got rich taking stolen laptops to the pawn shop, but you can get rich stealing competitiors' product designs, or getting next quarter's MSFT earnings report before it's released.

      Also, if they're just looking for quick drug money, laptop theft isn't such a bad way to do it. Grabbing a laptop at the airport and pawning it makes a lot more money than sticking up a 7-eleven for the 20 bucks in the register, and the sentence is a lot lighter since it's not armed robbery.

      --
      Remember the days when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility?
    3. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have a sneaking suspicion it's because they want to take your stuff. Without, like, paying for it.

      Now that you know their motivation perhaps you can do away with band-aid measures to prevent it, and then apply it to diamonds, money and TV sets so we can get rid of all of our alarms, locks and stuff.

      Should be easy. It's surprising that nobody's done it already, innit?

      KFG

    4. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by corian · · Score: 1

      Now, what I would *really* like to see is an exploding dye packet, like the ones the banks slip into the stolen money during robberies. Slide it in and close the cover. When the thief opens the lid for the first time...BAM...all of a sudden he looks like one of those blue guys in the Pentium ads.

      And your laptop is also blue. The result being, even if you do manage to get your laptop back, you STILL need to buy a new one!

    5. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can understand that. But what then stops me from doing the same thing? Are you saying that there is some innate desire to be a thief that for some people is stronger than others?

      Faced with the same circumstance, are you saying that Jack would be unable to resist his urge to 'take your stuff' while John would be able to? What is wrong with Jack that he is possessed to do this?

      In posing your "answer", you open up an entire can of worms.

    6. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by kfg · · Score: 1

      I am saying that parent poster's position that perhaps understanding the motivation of thieves is in any way instructive in how to prevent them from doing it is simplistic to the point of doofyness.

      The can of worms I open is where the the issue lies.

      To help sort out this can of worms your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to simply define "human nature."

      Good luck Mr. Phelps.

      KFG

    7. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I find this hard to believe.

      I've dealt with stolen computer equipment. Both with tracking down our own lost equipment and I knew a guy who dealt in stolen laptops.

      What happens to stolen computer equipment? Ebay. That's where a lot of it ends up.

      Some of it also is sold in person, but never by the person who stole it. The particular guy I knew had a loose network of people with whom he'd trade laptops so the laptops he sold came from the other coast of the US.

      In all cases, these guys are usually pretty dumb. The won't even format the machines but that's not because they care about the data, it's because they can't deal with basic driver/software issues. If the machine has a BIOS password on it, it ends up in the dumpster. Software-based "phone home" theft prevention systems are likely quite successful - one of our own machines was tracked down that way, but the software that called home was meant for our own usage auditing, not for tracking stolen equipment.

      I really find it hard to believe that someone would try to steal a laptop for the data on it. First of all, you need to know whose machine you're taking and that means trailing someone around for days until the machine is left unattended. This is very unlikely - thieves don't operate like this. If you just grabbed a random laptop and happened to find some MSFT financial reports on it, how exactly would you sell that? Do you call up IBM's corporate espionage hotline from a payphone? I mean, come on, be realistic.

      The only way a thief could possibly care about the data on a laptop is if a stolen machine coincidentally happened to lead to some hot investment tip, like an upcoming takeover (or something else that the thief could capitalize on without threat of discovery), but the people that steal laptops don't have accounts with Merryl Lynch, but rather accounts with their drug dealer. If the thief actually had some computer/engineering/financial know-how, he would have a better-paying safer job, but these people don't know how to operate Excel.

      It can be tempting to fantasize about a stolen laptop underground with international spies and mob bosses, but these thieves aren't exactly long-term planners. They happen upon an unattended machine and figure it will get them their fix for the week.

    8. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by pcmanjon · · Score: 1

      Now, what I would *really* like to see is an exploding dye packet, like the ones the banks slip into the stolen money during robberies. Slide it in and close the cover. When the thief opens the lid for the first time...BAM...all of a sudden he looks like one of those blue guys in the Pentium ads.

      And once you get your coffee at the counter, you come back to your chair and open it up (BURST)........ SHIT!

    9. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by microcars · · Score: 1
      good points, my own observation is that it is similar to the rash of Cell Phone thefts that occurred when Cell Phones started getting popular (at $600-$1200 per "Bag Phone")

      Here was a relatively small object that was "worth" alot of money and could easily be snatched and fenced or re-sold for maybe $50-$75.

      Hey, I should know, I bought a stolen Bag Phone back in 1986 from someone on Maxwell Street. It was still activated and I could make calls from it.
      Of course, a day later, it ceased working and I tried to figure out what I could do to get it "working" again.
      That's OK, plenty more idiots where I came from....

      After that episode, I noticed more guys boldly asking people on the street if they wanted to buy a "new" cell phone from the paper bag they were hiding it in. I would stand there and listen to the guy's pitch and usually there were 1 or 2 people interested in buying it. Then I would speak up and point out that it was probably stolen and the new owner would have a difficult, if not impossible time getting new service for a stolen Cell Phone.
      The response was "You Gotta Know Someone" to get it turned "On".

      Unfortunately this only made the stolen Cell Phone more attractive to the college kids that wanted to buy it.

      These thieves are the same ones stealing laptops now, they are probably the same ones stealing the "theft -deterrent" radios from our cars that will cease to work once removed. They just want to flip it for $20 to get high again.

      Since I used to live in a neighborhood where this happened/happens frequently, I am assuming that the War On Drugs has not had much affect on this national pastime.

      --
      I like microcars
    10. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by azuretek · · Score: 1

      First of all, you are an ignorant fool. How could you assume that all theives are drug addicts and have no plans?

      It seems to me that most "nerds" have an elitist attitude thinking that everyone is an idiot if they do things that they dont agree with. First of all, I know plenty of people that steal for a living and they are some of the brightest people I know. They know alot about computers, they have connections to get parts for laptops and also they give the laptops to other people to sell. If you really think everyone is an idiot because they steal maybe you need to realise the smart ones are the ones who you dont get to see on the news.

    11. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know plenty of people that steal for a living

      and you're calling grandparent a fool? people like you make me sick. i hope you and your worthless piece of shit friends get thrown in prison, ass raped, and beat to death.

  14. I'm evil by JustinXB · · Score: 0

    Add a bomb to it and we can have some fun with it! :-D

  15. Easy Money by photonX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good. Maybe I can adapt one to go off when my wife picks up my wallet.

    --
    Anti-gravity? That was *my* little secret! But I never patented it! Boy, was *that* dumb!
  16. Funny story by jargoone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I went to a university that installed PCs in each dorm room. This was 6-8 years ago, so maybe it's more common now, but at the time it was pretty revolutionary and cool. Anyway, a friend-of-a-friend brought his own PC to school and decided he didn't want the university's PC cluttering up his room. So he unhooked it and took it to another friend's place, off campus (not with the intention to steal, just relocate for the year). This other friend had DSL. 15 minutes after putting it on the DSL connection, tne university police department was at the door.

    In theory, I know why this could happen, and actually thought it was pretty funny because it was a stupid thing to do. But obviously, there was some sort of "call home" software. Anyone know for sure?

    1. Re:Funny story by use_compress · · Score: 1

      15 minutes after putting it on the DSL connection, tne university police department was at the door.

      Not to stray too far off topic, but what happened to your friend?

    2. Re:Funny story by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In theory, I know why this could happen, and actually thought it was pretty funny because it was a stupid thing to do. But obviously, there was some sort of "call home" software. Anyone know for sure?

      I am curious how, 6-8 years ago, the university could convert an IP address into a physical address and get the campus rent-a-cops at the door in fifteen minutes. Even today it is not easy, especially with dynamic IPs.

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      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    3. Re:Funny story by seann · · Score: 1

      DSL 6-8 years ago?

      huh?

      --
      I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
    4. Re:Funny story by hotwheel · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.absolute.com - These guys have a bios based application called Computrace Plus. It performs the functions you described above.

      A comp is plugged into any sort of web network after being reported stolen and it notifies the 'mothership'.

      They even offer a data erase option that can wipe the drive of sensitive data if the computer has been stolen.

    5. Re:Funny story by The+Snowman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      DSL 6-8 years ago?

      1996-1998. This is about when I started college the first time, and I distinctly remember DSL beginning to roll in out select areas. It was not nearly as common as it is today, but it existed. So did cable modems. 1996 may be a stretch, but definitely not 1998.

      Either way, I am skeptical about a company being able to pinpoint a DSL IP address to a physical address in a few minutes, and call the campus police. At that time this was unheard of. A static IP on a controlled network, yes; a dynamic IP on someone else's network? Doubtful.

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      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    6. Re:Funny story by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These guys have a bios based application called Computrace Plus. It performs the functions you described above.

      Did it perform these functions back in 1996-1998? Looking at their web site I cannot tell for sure when they started up, but the time period the OP is talking about is pre-bubble. Not many tech companies were around back then.

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      24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
    7. Re:Funny story by westendgirl · · Score: 1

      I interviewed with this company a few years ago. (I backed out, but that's another story.) I also used to work with a guy who worked there in the early 90s -- the software has been around for at least 10 years. I seem to recall that their early software relied on someone eventually connecting to the Internet via dial-up -- an event that was iffy for most people, but likely for business travellers in 1993 I double-checked their website -- they were incorporated in 1993. .

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      -- SYS 64738 --

    8. Re:Funny story by vnguyen6 · · Score: 1

      I really don't know if the story is true or not (unless there are more details) but Campus Police does have the authority within one-mile radius of the campus.

    9. Re:Funny story by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      So, where is the OSS dial-home project? A simple non-obvious binary that we can drop in init.d or the registry Run section that sends a packet across the net to a listener. Anything goes missing, keep an eye on the log file. An IP and date/time stamp is all it'll take law enforcement to track down the thief.

      You might not even need a listener app...just get the tool to try to open a connection to a specific port on your network. Your firewall log will tell all. Use a different port for each tracked machine perhaps?

      As pointed out in other threads, most thiefs are non-tech savvy. There is a good chance they will boot up once or twice before reformatting (if they even bother with that!)

    10. Re:Funny story by jargoone · · Score: 1

      He wound up appearing in front of the judicial committee, got suspended for the remainder of the quarter, and was on behavioral probation for the remainder of the year. The police department did not pursue any charges.

    11. Re:Funny story by jargoone · · Score: 1

      This was a remote area, Ohio University in Athens, Ohio to be specific. Cable modem was not going to happen, so one of the local ISPs pushed VERY hard to get DSL rolled out quickly.

      And on second thought, you're right, I did have the time frame off by quite a bit. It was fall of 2000, so more like 3 years ago.

      Lesson learned: Post first, drink afterwards. :-)

    12. Re:Funny story by jargoone · · Score: 1

      This is a true story, though I don't have a way of proving it. The story appeared in the independent newspaper, but the police blotter is not archived, and I don't know if it was in there anyway.

      And you're right, they did have limited jurisdiction in certain circumstances. And to respone to someone above, these were not rent-a-cops. They were a real, bonified, university police department.

  17. Illuminating... by morganjharvey · · Score: 3, Funny

    This finally explains why this thinkpad won't stop its incessant beeping.

  18. This Is A Job For... by Naked+Chef · · Score: 1

    RFID!!! See, you knew you could find a reason to love it... :-)

  19. Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft device by Txiasaeia · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is a huge freaking drawing on the top of the laptop. I used to have an old AST with a mushroom cloud and "DO IT!" written on it. You have *no* idea how easy it is to track down something like that. It's possible for a thief to sand down the paint and repaint the whole thing, but I figure it's just easier to get one where such work isn't required.

    If a notebook alarm goes off, the computer's already gone, but a custom paint job is easy to track down, given police involvement and photographs. It works for me!

    --
    Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
  20. Hmmm.. by jargoone · · Score: 1

    This doesn't really make sense. Yes, the whole reason for a laptop is for a person to be mobile. But it's not like a person needs to bring their laptop from their desk to the shitter. It's more like needing to bring it from their laptop to their house, or to the airport, or to the hotel room. Most circumstances don't dictate constant supervision.

    I have a security cable that works great for when I'm in hotel rooms and the like. Enough for me.

  21. Solution that needs a problem by corian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The POINT of a laptop is that it is portable; that you can bring it with you wherever you go.
    Isn't it your desktop that is more likely to be stolen while you are away than the laptop right there in your messenger bag?

    1. Re:Solution that needs a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like saying "Isn't it your fat asian hooker with PMS and a gun that is more likely to be stolen while you are away than the wad of cash right there in your messenger bag?"

      The POINT of a brain is that it is portable; that you can bring it with you wherever you go. However, it seems you have misplaced yours. If you'll call 1-800-NEW-BRAIN, we'll send over a fresh brain for you! Also included is our special Fat Asian Hooker with PMS and a Gun! Sure to provide hours of fun! Originally she was only seen at 1-800-ASIAN-HO but we bring her specially to YOUR door! That's right! If you call today, you'll receive our special offer! Not $2! Not $1! Not even .50C! Call today and you'll get our ONCE IN A LIFETIME LOW LOW PRICE OF FREE! If you call within the next ten minutes, we'll even PAY YOU! Because that's how long our staff is going to last with her in the same room. We started with nine thousand employees but are now down the the fat asian hooker, a monkey, and myself! So call now before the bitch gets hungry!

      And remember!

      JESUS LOVES YOU (you satanic bastard)

  22. Derivative of a similar car alarm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One can buy an alarm for the car that notifies your pager (with a 1 mile range) that something is amiss with your car. Alarms like this are at least 15 years old.

  23. Let's just face the facts by iswm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people would just pay more attention to their possesions and surroundings there wouldn't be a real big problem with this in the first place. Having an alarm will just give people an even more false sense of security, when inevetably, just like cars, the alarms will do little to stop theives.

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    Buckethead
  24. GPS? Not yet, maybe just a matter of time by dtio · · Score: 3, Interesting
    See LAPTOP SECURITY: PAST, PRESENT by Andrew Mueller (google's pdf cache) which is a bit outdated but still very interesting:

    In the end it comes down to the intelligence of the thief, the amount of computer experience they have, and the reason the laptop is stolen in the first place. The two reasons would be data recovery, the other to just sell the hardware. (I suppose a third would be to use it themselves).

    The future of this technology I believe will be a BIOS based service. Something hard- coded in the BIOS that will be used to track the laptop. The car industry uses a GPS satellite to track some of its more expensive automobiles and perhaps that is where the laptop industry will go.

    [..]

    Systems hard coded with small GPS tracking units will creep into the corporate world, and users will be able to track where their laptops are if they?ve been stolen, and recovery will be more and more common.

    1. Re:GPS? Not yet, maybe just a matter of time by berkut1337 · · Score: 1

      The future of this technology I believe will be a BIOS based service. Something hard- coded in the BIOS that will be used to track the laptop.

      OK, so the thief won't be able to sell the motherboard, but he can still sell the CPU, hard drive, cd/dvd drive, LCD display, chasis... unless this new BIOS is implemented into every computer (TCPA?), and all major hardware components have unique serial number (remember Pentium III?) that easily indentifies them thanks to TCPA-enabled BIOS.

  25. A SERIOUS, EASY WAY TO DEFEAT... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've seen this done easily with motion detectors like this one all the time.

    1) Slip Zip-Lock under and around alarm.

    2) Poor some water into bag, just enough to cover alarm.

    3) Enjoy laptop.

    You would be surprised just how easyily a lot of electonics are defeated with water. Nice idea, but it needs to be made water proof/resistant.

    1. Re:A SERIOUS, EASY WAY TO DEFEAT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this done easily with motion detectors like this one all the time.

      1) Slip Zip-Lock under and around alarm.

      2) Poor some water into bag, just enough to cover alarm.

      3) Enjoy laptop.


      I'm sorry, but I have the process for my device patented and encrypted. Bypassing my devices methods for encryption and functionality is a violation of the DMCA and I'm going to sue your ass. You better be waiting for the lawsuit from my lawyers, the paperwork will be arriving in the mail shortly.

    2. Re:A SERIOUS, EASY WAY TO DEFEAT... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Informative
      Wouldn't work with the defcon alarm I have. As soon as you move it, the beeping starts ramping to a very loud volume. You'd be as well hitting the device with a sledge hammer, it would be just as subtle.

      Oh, and water isn't that deadly to solid-state electronics. Mains yes, batteries no. You might foul the detector (I'm guessing it's peizo) by changing it's resistance, but all that'll do is set it off. It'll take a while for water to kill most things, if at all. Rust will do it in before direct water damage.

  26. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by photonX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, I call that 'uglification'. It's a good trick to keep the staplers, tape dispensers, footstools, etc., from running off at work.

    I wonder if it might be enough to stick a prominent "Protected by Brink's Security" sticker on the lid. Maybe glue an old beeper case on, with a push button that flashes a red LED. After all, the threat of deterrence is almost as good as deterrence itself.

    --
    Anti-gravity? That was *my* little secret! But I never patented it! Boy, was *that* dumb!
  27. You're right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm gonna start carrying EVERYTHING I own with me on my person.

    1. Re:You're right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm gonna start carrying EVERYTHING I own with me on my person.

      Even your soiled douchebag?

    2. Re:You're right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can stay home.

  28. e-Lo Jack by segment · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its interesting to know no company has really done something like this already. In the US we have the Lo Jack system for tracking stolen cars, but a company would have to wonder whether someone would be willing to pay anything over 200.00 for a laptop that'll probably be worth that much in a few months judging by the insane prices of comp stuff.

    Governments and companies might be interested in this stuff, but to the ordinary joe blow user I don't think it means much. I think most people would take care of their personal laptops much more than they would something they didn't pay for. Aside from that, one could probably do something with an RFID tag on their own with some success if they can find some way to get their RFID tag to interact with a GPS system.

    Another alternative would be a good old fashioned mechanism of tracking down MAC addresses, which would be painful but that is already doable.

  29. GPS? by bdigit · · Score: 1

    Anyone know of a semi-cheap GPS tracker type solution I could use for my laptop? I feel like this is the only way I could not be paranoid about my laptop being stolen. Of course someone could find the transmitter and remove it but how likely is it that they would even think the laptop would be equipped with one.

    1. Re:GPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lets see... giant GPS unit hanging off the serial port and transmitter antenna sticking out?

      yeah.. not likely to notice it..

    2. Re:GPS? by ucdoughboy · · Score: 1

      http://www.xbow.com/Products/productsdetails.aspx? sid=76 that sensor board is about the size of a business card and has the depth of a pcmcia card. The main processor/radio card that controll is is about the same size, if you remove the AA battery case.

    3. Re:GPS? by kliment · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Th POINT is for the thief to notice it and be discouraged from stealing the laptop... Now you have to make it nearly inseparable from the laptop and it might even work...

  30. Old invention!! by sysbot · · Score: 4, Informative

    The idea and actual implementation of the device was done over 5 years ago by some students for the Duracell competition. I don't recall what is it's callled exactly but you can google for it.

    1. Re:Old invention!! by Stelix · · Score: 1

      I was really interested in this and did the GOOGLE as you suggested! It's quite an accomplishment for a grade 12 student! However, their are numerous features absent from his idea; but still a great idea!

    2. Re:Old invention!! by sysbot · · Score: 1

      That's great that you found the information on Google. Maybe you can post the site for others to see. There are may great inventions that came out from the Duracell competition, it's sadden that the industry doesn't take advantage of those ideas.

  31. Campus Police out of jurisdiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call bullshit on this one.

  32. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

    You have *no* idea how easy it is to track down something like that. It's possible for a thief to sand down the paint and repaint the whole thing, but I figure it's just easier to get one where such work isn't required.

    Don't some types of engravers leave a permanent mark that shows up under a blacklight? I remember back in my high school days my school provided an engraver for our graphing calculators specifically because even if a thief sanded down our names, they would still show up under a blacklight. Of course, IANAP (I am not a physicist), but this sounds rather sketchy...

    --
    24 beers in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence? I think not!
  33. Easy laptop safety fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Just install BSD on it. Since this OS is dying, who would want the laptop?

    1. Re:Easy laptop safety fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just install BSD on it. Since this OS is dying, who would want the laptop?

      The Grim Reaper, for one.

    2. Re:Easy laptop safety fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 8 year old "*BSD Babe" in latex may steal it to upload more pornographic pictures of herself to the *BSD paedophiles

  34. There's a Difference by mistermund · · Score: 1

    Perhaps not exactly the same, but it's already been done for $50.

    Yeah, but if you RFTA, the difference is their device doesn't activate until the remote (which is intended to be kept with the owner) is arounf 15ft away from the laptop.

    From the article:
    "The beauty of the electronic beast, according to Mitchell, is it allows the laptop owner to be mobile, which is, after all, the whole idea of laptops. There are few false alarms because of the deactivating device and the distance required between the laptop and its owner (about 15 feet) before the gizmo works.

    "There are lots of systems out there that have just a thing that detects motion, so it blasts a siren just like the car alarms that no one listens to these days," said Mitchell."

  35. Down in Africa by BrookHarty · · Score: 2, Funny

    Down in South Africa, They have car alarms that shoot flames and kill the thief.

    Now my invention, car batteries attached to the laptop, of course it might be to heavy to steal, will have to work on that aspect...

    1. Re:Down in Africa by dandelion_wine · · Score: 1

      And elsewhere in Africa, they have game wardens that shoot poachers on sight. ... hmm... (thinks exploding dummy giraffe)

    2. Re:Down in Africa by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      And in Soviet Russia the cars steal you?

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  36. MOD PARENT DOWN, BLATANT KARMA WHORE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yuo am teh suk

  37. I hope it goes, by jetfuel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "vroom vroom!"

  38. pcmcia card alarm by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Perhaps not exactly the same, but it's already been done for $50

    Looks exactly the same, minus the pager thing, which is probably only good for about the same range as a really loud siren.

    There's also a company that made a PCMCIA version; if you moved the laptop any more than a certain amount, it started shrieking using a siren built-in to the card itself. I think it might have also had some software tie-ins, don't remember what

  39. Good idea for cars but... by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...on a laptop it's really stupid. I have a lojack installed with something VERY similar to this. It's one of the best anti-theft devices I've ever had on any car. I have a little keychain that I keep with my keys and inside the car is a kind of transmitter. If the car is moving and the keychain is not present, lojack will call my cell phone, send me an e-mail (I receive e-mails on my phone) and call my house. I can add more contact methods (text messaging, more phone numbers, like work or something) but these are the easiest ways to contact me.

    The good thing about this (and the bad thing about the laptop one) is if I'm using a car, it's going to be on and the keys are gonna be in it so the keychain is gonna be in the car. If I'm going to go to the bathroom, I'm going to park, turn off my car, take the keys out and go to the bathroom. Now if I'm using a laptop, and I want to go to the bathroom, I'm not going to carry the laptop with me (and if I was going to carry the laptop the device becomes completely pointless.)

    This device is useless, if you're going to be 15 feet away from your laptop (ok my bedroom is 15 feet across, it's not very far) you should be able to see anyone going near it that's going to attempt to take it. And if they're going to snatch it up while you're that close this little alarm won't help since they're gonna run and not really care who hears the alarm (they could always just smash it off with their foot, I mean it just hangs off the side, it might crack the case of the laptop but who cares they just got a free laptop.)

    1. Re:Good idea for cars but... by Riggs+E. · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ...they could always just smash it off with their foot, I mean it just hangs off the side, it might crack the case of the laptop but who cares they just got a free laptop
      I would think that trying to fence/resell a laptop with a broken case would be more difficult. At the very least, a thief would only get a couple hundred bucks for the risk.

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      Frankly, I just don't care . . .
    2. Re:Good idea for cars but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read more carefully. The alarm is only enabled if you are MORE than 15 feet from the laptop. Just like your lojack. Is that a little less "useless" and "stupid", Mr. Wrong-end-of-the-stick-but-angry-all-the-same?

    3. Re:Good idea for cars but... by jkbull · · Score: 2, Informative

      No.

      You misread the article in two critical respects that negate your criticisms. (At least you apparently did read the article, or at least skimmed it, which is unusual for Slashdot!)

      (1) It consists of two pieces (look at the photo), one that attaches to the laptop (like the LoJack in your car), and one that you carry around (like your LoJack keychain). So when you walk away with the "keychain" in your pocket, the protection turns on automatically. Just like your LoJack.

      (2) The protection is active only when the "keychain" is more than 15 feet away, not when it is fewer than 15 feet away! When you're working on the computer, the keychain is fewer than 15 feet away from the computer (assuming you keep it in a pocket) and the alarm is disarmed. When you walk away from the computer - more than 15 feet away - that's when the alarm is armed.

    4. Re:Good idea for cars but... by lseltzer · · Score: 1

      I have the same Lojack device (it's called the "LoJack Early Warning Recovery System"). Had it about 6 months and I've had about 6 false alarms. I get phone calls at home, on my cell, and I get an e-mail.

      Not very confidence-inspiring. So far I'd call it a waste of money.

    5. Re:Good idea for cars but... by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Very nice addition!

      This is my first time on here... and I am also quickly realising that many of these people didn't actually see the article.

      check out more info on the product at stelix.ca

  40. Alarms, GPS, ??? by Riggs+E. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've read more than a few of the posts degrading this particular technology. But let me ask those folks, how often do you leave your laptop and walk into the next room? I see this "invention" as a first-defense sort of thing. Sure, it would be made better by GPS tracking, blips on a PDA, and even a shiny new decoder ring. These things take time. Lest we not forget the ever-present business model, if this initial configuration takes off, GPS won't be far behind.

    --
    ------ Send your whines to /dev/null
    Frankly, I just don't care . . .
    1. Re:Alarms, GPS, ??? by dandelion_wine · · Score: 2, Informative

      But let me ask those folks, how often do you leave your laptop and walk into the next room?

      Until Dell starts offering the catheter and colostomy bag options, quite often, actually.

  41. good versus bad ideas by quibbler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is what I consider one of those forehead-slapping-in-frustration type "inventions". Its the type that people come up with when they're trying to invent something. I won't go through all the layers of reasons why a laptop alarm is stupid. (A bunch of the comments already do a good job.)

    Want a GOOD idea? Why not make a nice tiny USB fob with an alarm and a motion sensor. Stick it in, launch the app that comes with it (maybe include a 8mb flash disk with an app version for Win/Mac/Linux) and type your password. It it requires that password typed on the machine to move the motion sensor without it screaming bloody murder.

  42. Every urban legend... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Funny
    ...starts of with a friend-of-a-friend....

    I doubt it happened. Besides, when have you seen campus police move that fast unless it's to ticket your illegally parked car?

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    http://www.rootstrikers.org/
    1. Re:Every urban legend... by vnguyen6 · · Score: 1

      Concerned, I think you might have mistaken those campus metermaid for campus police.

  43. Theft Protection Methods for Linux Laptops? by wehe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Almost all available theft protection methods for laptops seem not to be working with Linux. So I have setup a survey of theft protection methods, which work for Linux laptops and notebooks. I hope to extend the survey to protection methods for Linux PDAs and mobile (cellular) Linux phones, too.

  44. CHirp by Mr._Hole · · Score: 0

    So when I "arm" my labtop with my remote does it make a chirping sound like a car alarm?? lol that would be pretty damn funny if it did. SIG---- http://www.mzlan.com MZLAN, one of the best gaming events in minnesota

  45. Hard disk security by tronicum · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A laptop is a interesting part to steal as a video projector, a car or a nice watch.

    More importent than the fact that you alert yourself "your PC is stolen, wakeup" is that your data is safe and can not be read by the thief.

    Hard disc encryption (at least your homedir with your ssh keys, pgp key and other sensitive data) is more importent than a buzzing alert that gets turned off like car alarms....

  46. WIFI tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with the proliferation of wi fi hotspots, you can develop a system that connects automatically in the presence of one and transmits data about its location to the owner

  47. Doesn't Fellowes already make one of these? by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hello,

    I saw a similar device for sale as Best Buy from Fellowes called a Mobile Proximity Alarm. From looking at their web site it doesn't seem to have a motion detector, but sets of an alarm if the sensor is moved more than fifteen feet from the base. It cost about $30.00USD.

    Obviously, it's hard to compare this against something which only exists in prototype form, but has anyone used one of these? If so, how well did it work?

    Regards,

    Aryeh Goretsky

    --
    Dexter is a good dog.
    1. Re:Doesn't Fellowes already make one of these? by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Tons of false alarms... It doesn't work in many situations! Here's a couple of them: you go to the washroom that's 20 ft away, you get separated by 20 ft when going through airport security, you leave your laptop in your car when you're at a nearby store, etc etc... It requires the inhibiting factor of the motion sensor WHEN you're away.

      more details of this device at STELIX.CA

  48. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i know a few people that jack laptops. you are exactly right, nobody wants to jack some laptop with hard-to-remove unique identification. it just makes it a bitch to sell. people tend to think about preventing stealing in the wrong way. instead of 'what would make this harder to take' they should be thinking 'what would make this harder to sell'. because THAT is the only true deterrent to stealing.

  49. So don't use alarms. :> by daTHoK · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Instead, use encrypted filesystem technology linked with the sensoring these guys have already envisioned. Said filesystem (whether it's stand-alone or hosted by FAT32/Ext3/etc) would remain encrypted, and access to it is granted only when the user's fob is within range.

    This removes the annoyance of an audible alarm, and requires a thief steal both the laptop AND the fob, assuming he/she knew a fob was even being used.

    As an added bonus, if the fob is turned off, it ain't detected by the laptop. So the filesystem is now unusable. Combined with keyboard-based logins, this system would provide quite a bit of convenience.

    Pretty cool stuff. I love seeing engineering students come up with new tech.

  50. poor mans alarm by mixmasterjake · · Score: 4, Funny

    i've taken the opposite approach to alarms. if i have to leave the room, i just crank slayer on my laptop at full volume. when i hear the music begin to fade away, i know my laptop is being being stolen.

    i call it my "proactive audio alarm system." maybe i should file a patent?

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    1. Re:poor mans alarm by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

      Semi prior art: They discussed this in that slashdot story about Chernobyl melting down. Basically the modern way to do audio alarms is to have a chirp or a beep happen when packets of a certain protocol come down the wire, and when you have silence on a certain sound, you can guess that the service has malfunctioned.

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  51. Good in an open office setting? by kekoap · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if the inspiration for this is stolen laptops in a university setting. More generally, I wonder if this would work well in an open office setting where the public for whatever reason can easily gain access. I work in such a place, and laptops get stolen all the time from people who are lazy, don't lock up, step out "for just one second", and come back to their offices to find their laptops gone. There are usually people around, but nobody notices the theft. If the system is not prone to false positives, then it would have potential where I work.

  52. Why not use mobile tracking? by BJury · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why bother with an audable alarm?

    Install a mobile phone inside the unit, which obviously would give the machine an internal modem. Then use a mobile tracking servive to find out where the mobile is if it ever gets inched. http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,836456 2%255E13762,00.html

    That and a decent bois lock and you should be safe!

  53. Re:So don't use alarms. : by gaspyy · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I think most laptops are being stolen for hardware, not because of the software on them.

    You are of course correct, keeping sensitive data encrypted on a laptop is the sensible thing to do but it's not enough. The thief will boot from a CD and simply reformat the hard drive.

    Espionage is a different matter of course, but any agent carrying secret data on a laptop who lets the laptop out of sight allowing it to be stolen, should be put in jail.

  54. Make the thief return it!!! by Genda · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is so simple...

    You've got this sweet lil' notepad computer... when Mr. Thief put's stylus to display, the stylus explodes a dye capsule out the back covering Mr. Thief, and Mr. Thief's clothes with a pernitious and utterly permanent purple dye. Then the screen begins to flash;

    Dear Mr. Thief,
    You've just been sprayed with a powerful toxic dye. You have approximately 10 hours to report to the computer's true owner before it becomes too late to receive the antidote. You can reach the owner at; *PLACE YOUR PHONE NUMBER HERE*. You will then be given instructions on where to go, and how to get there. Your life depends on following these instructions exactly. This is what you get for being a waste of human DNA. I hope the rest of your day sucks too...

    *The Original Owner of this Computer*
    P.S. The computer better be in good condition when you arrive, or you won't be when you leave...



    I mean with the rysin scare at the Senate, would you risk not getting in touch with the owner? Of course, you then contact the police, inform them you're running your own little sting operation, and make sure Mr. Thief is properly greeted as you get your computer back.

    --Genda
  55. Yeah, and how exactly... by vsilves · · Score: 1

    ...is the alarm going to blast after someone removes the battery before moving/stealing the laptop.

    1. Re:Yeah, and how exactly... by Stelix · · Score: 1

      the power is external to the laptop.

  56. A sign that reads "Steal Me" by GerbilSocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's right, put a bright yellow placard with big black letters on top of an open laptop's keyboard that says "Steal Me!". A thief would think twice about stealing it since he might feel it's a joke being played on him.

  57. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by Phekko · · Score: 1

    Well, cellphone stealing has gone down a lot after joe sixpack's cellphone's price sunk to $99 or so. So if they start making laptops that only cost about $100 they won't be worth stealing anymore. Not that I see it happening, but...

    I fully agree that uglification or some other unique identification is the key rather than alarms. Either that or never leaving your laptop anywhere. Ever.

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    Sigs for Nerds. Sigs that Matter.
  58. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I call that 'uglification'. It's a good trick to keep the staplers, tape dispensers, footstools, etc., from running off at work.

    Its also a good trick to keep your girlfriend from running off with other guys.

  59. Fingerprint recognition by Elusive_Cure · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm currently doing my Bachelors in electronics in a UK University, where final year EE students participate on the development of a fingerprint recognition device for mobile devices sponsored by one of the biggest cell phone companies (Sony-Ericsson). It's been done before for notebook computers (i believe siemens or Acer had a similar device), and we are working on the implementation of such device for mobile phones that are the most common things beeing stolen in the UK. The basic principle of this system is to match the pattern of the fingerprint of a person with the current stored fingerprint "image" of the owner on the phone. As soon as the microprocessor detects a false fingerprint image fed to the device, the phone locks up and idealy sends a sms to the service provider that the phone is beeing stolen. I, personally have worked on the FPGA implementation of the microcontroller, done with Verilog on Xilinx software and i'm confident that in the following years we will see lots of similar devices beeing manufactured for high-priced/valued products such as notebooks, phones, pdas etc.

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  60. Targus Defcon: A waste of $50? by Spoing · · Score: 1
    From the FAQ for the Targus Defcon;
    1. Q. Combination lost and Unit Locked. How Do I remove the DEFCON 1 if the device can not be unlocked?

      A. If the battery is installed, then you will first want to disable its electronic alarm.

    Break open the battery compartment to remove the battery

    Cut the cable with a wire cutter (note: an ordinary paper cutter will not do); if the battery is still in the unit when the cable is cut, the alarm will sound continuously.

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    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    1. Re:Targus Defcon: A waste of $50? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      I have one, when it says "break open the battery compartment", it means literally. When locked, you can't get at the battery at all without smashing the case.

      For someone familiar with one, it would take at least 20 seconds to disable. If you don't know them; forget it. It's just too loud too stand by and try to figure it out. The point is that most theifs are opertunists and would simply go for an easier target. You can't stop someone that is determined.

      I use mine at festivals as well, when there is camping. Put all the bags in one tent and lock them together with this. Ideal.

    2. Re:Targus Defcon: A waste of $50? by demaria · · Score: 1

      "For someone familiar with one, it would take at least 20 seconds to disable."

      It takes as little as 4 seconds. http://www.nwc.com/1320/1320f45.htmlDunk test! Just plop the device in a 20oz paper cup full of liquid. You can't hear the alarm.

    3. Re:Targus Defcon: A waste of $50? by Spoing · · Score: 1
      That makes sense. From the FAQ, it seems like anyone could just pop a battery compartment cover off and be done with it.

      If the cover is broken, though, the whole gadget is useless, right? For $50, I'm not complaining. Anyone should be able to remember a 4 digit code.

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      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    4. Re:Targus Defcon: A waste of $50? by Stelix · · Score: 1
      If you're happy with your defcon you'll love this product!! (BTW: it's $95 canadian... so ~$70 US).

      I've used one of the defcons too and I find it extremely annoying!! It always seems to beep and stuff, and I just totally stopped using it! You can't take it anywhere either! Very annoying!

      I found more info on this INNOVATIVE product at stelix.ca!!!.... haha

  61. The answer: SNMP by MoreDruid · · Score: 1
    set the SNMP traps to trigger on a different IP subnet and voila, you have your tracking. After that it's just doing a trace & lookup.

    We use it on our WAN/LAN too, because we have a lot of WiFi spots in our network. There are a few machines that are allowed on all WiFi spots (IT-dept. machines mostly), the rest is closed off based on MAC address. If I get on the network on a remote site, a few bells & whistles go off at our central office.

    I think that's the way they did it. It's simple & effective (and implemented on most OS's.)
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    The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
  62. These are already on the store shelves by jridley · · Score: 2, Informative

    I saw one at Best Buy 3 days ago. Two parts, one on the unit, one in your pocket, alarms if they're more than 15 feet apart. google for proximity alarm site:bestbuy.com - it's sold by Fellowes and costs $30.

  63. hrmmm by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    what happens if the cat jumps on it or bats it around? (trust me, this WILL happen)

  64. What about this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they move the laptop in reverse, you hear the truck's "beeeeeep pause beeeeeep pause beeeeeep..."

  65. Already there by $exyNerdie · · Score: 2, Informative


    For some reason, I thought that an alarm device (like a lock) was already in market where you attach the alarm device to the laptop and the other component you keep with yourself. If the distance between you and the laptop exceeds a certain range, the alarm would go off...

    The other thing I remember reading a while ago is there is a company that sells this service where if you subscribe to it and if your computer gets stolen, they can track it by IP address and they actually caught someone where you just install their software that secretly pings their server when you get online. The thief didnt format the stolen laptop's hard disk and just started using it. The owner had informaed this company which then went with the IP address to police and these guys caught the thief...

  66. Actually, if you read the article by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'll find that it gives you a five-second window to deactivate before the alarm starts blaring...

    Should cut down on the noise pollution "oops, accidently tripped my alarm" incidents.

    Besides, it's not like a car alarm that goes off when somebody walks too close to it (or brushes up against your door in the parking lot, or taps your car with a shopping cart, etc). Somebody actually has to pick this up and move it before it sounds the alarm. Personally, if somebody is moving my laptop in my absence, you can bet I'm going to assume the worst and correct their behavior...

    Sign me up for one of these babies.

    --
    Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
    1. Re:Actually, if you read the article by AuraSeer · · Score: 1

      Personally, if somebody is moving my laptop in my absence, you can bet I'm going to assume the worst and correct their behavior...

      Actually you're not, because as you said, you're absent. If you were there with the laptop, no one would be stealing it. (Or, if a thief was bold enough to grab it out from under your fingers, he wouldn't be fazed by an alarm anyhow.)

    2. Re:Actually, if you read the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, car alarms DO go off for basically no reason all the time here (NYC). They are completely and utterly useless in an urban environment.

      Thankfully there is a movement to ban audible car alarms:

      Transportation Alternatives' Ban Car Alarms Campaign

      Silent Majority

    3. Re:Actually, if you read the article by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Hey, thanks for understanding the TRUE function of the device!

      Some buddies actually told me that their was a thread about our company on this site... Check out stelix.ca for more info! (unfortunately there was no mention of our company name or site in the article).

      And where should I send your laptop security device? haha

    4. Re:Actually, if you read the article by Stelix · · Score: 1
      You can be absent and you can be ABSENT.

      It's assumed that you won't leave your laptop MILES away from you, but if you're nearby (within 500 metres) you will be notified immediately (like paging). This allows you to RUN back and disarm the device before the alarm goes off or retrieve your laptop and chase down the filthy thief. (btw: I'm aware that not all laptop users are physically fit enough to CHASE and BEAT down the thief...)

      more info----->STELIX.CA

    5. Re:Actually, if you read the article by AuraSeer · · Score: 1

      Even an Olympic athlete can't cover hundreds of meters in no time. Realistically, by the time you realize you're being paged and get back to where the laptop was, neither it nor the thief is anywhere to be seen.

      If you don't want your laptop stolen, the real solution is not to leave it unattended in public. Unlike a car, it's light enough to carry around.

    6. Re:Actually, if you read the article by Stelix · · Score: 1
      True, it's a good idea to carry it around. But everyone forgets from time to time... So in the majority of cases you will only be about 20-40m away (which most of us can cover in no time!). I was merely stating the range of the device.

      may i ask if you EVEN have a laptop? cause i do! and when i go to the washroom it's not that FUN to carry my laptop with me!!!....

    7. Re:Actually, if you read the article by AuraSeer · · Score: 1

      Yes, I own a laptop. I travel with it for business. In some cities I've been, by the time you can walk 20m from your laptop it's already gone.

      Sure, if you're in a closed room or a quiet little cafe or something, you can safely walk a short distance from the machine without its getting stolen. But if you're somewhere safe, why bother with the alarm anyway?

      I still think this is a totally pointless invention; it won't stop a thief in a high-crime area, and in a low-crime area there are no thieves to be stopped. And the nuisance value is even worse than that of a car alarm, because people usually don't carry car alarms into the library.

    8. Re:Actually, if you read the article by Stelix · · Score: 1
      Well I find it hard to believe that you read the article and completely understand the invention.

      29% are stolen at work, 36% on the road, 23% at airports, 8% in cars, 4% in hotel rooms.

      Just to recap how it works: no alarm GOES OFF right when you step away from your laptop; only if you're away AND it's moved. AND at that point you're also notified on your remote.

      I really think you should try it out. I don't understand why you don't think it will stop thefts in high-crime areas? There have been several cases during it's testing period where it ACTUALLY HAS! (these scenarios included 2 laptops being locked in a car trunk and 2 guys located across the street at a bar and someone broke into the trunk and attempted to grab the laptops and the guys were notified and ran outside and the thief dropped the laptops and ran off, another instance was when some laptops were locked in a building after hours and thieves came in and broke into a room and broke the locks on the cabinet and as they attemped to run off with the laptops, but were stopped by the building security who heard the siren.)

      If you're in the area of Vancouver, BC, you should try one out! stelix.ca

  67. Re:Forget the alarms -- my personal anti-theft dev by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 2, Funny
    [my personal anti-theft device] Is a huge freaking drawing on the top of the laptop. I used to have an old AST with a mushroom cloud and "DO IT!" written on it.

    You must have had a lot of fun taking that through airport security... :-)

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    A marriage is always made up of two people who are prepared to swear that only the other one snores.
  68. The theif gets a head start. by asadsalm · · Score: 0

    Lets imagine I put my laptop bag down at a Greyhound station and am looking at the bus schedules. One sly smooth handed theif picks up my bag and sneaks away, while I am looking the other direction. The device will give the theif a 15 feet head start! How fair is that!!?

  69. This once happened at work by Fubar411 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We were rolling out a wireless network and it was at the manager's discretion on who received wlan cards for their laptop (since there already was a wired network, unessential for everyone to have it). This was back when the cards were worth around $80. Anyway, one of the engineers was turned down, and that day he went and stole someone else's the wlan card. By the end of the day he was escorted out when the stolen wlan's MAC address was traced to his logon.

  70. Stun Gun by The+Tyro · · Score: 1

    does wonders on electronics... and this one hangs off the side of the laptop, allowing you to fry it without killing the object of your desire.

    I had a friend who had a Van-DeGraff Generator, and I remember sending many types of old, unwanted electronics to that great microchip graveyard in the sky by taking them over to his house... old calculators, etc... the only thing that didn't die an ugly, static-electricity-induced death was my casio digital watch.

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    Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
  71. i tested the prototype for these guys by Robbat2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an SFU student and somebody that works on the SFU Surrey campus in research, I had the oppertunity to play with the actual prototype that these students put out.

    I had my laptop secured with it, to test it out for a day.

    Two things with it that I'd like to see rectified:
    1. It seemed overly sensative to motions around it, a heavy truck went by outside (~6m away) and it went off.
    2. if you use it, you do NOT have any way to cable-tie your laptop to a desk or whatever. yes it could be mutually exclusive, but I think these would be a lot more acceptance of this if you could use it in addition to another device to physically secure your laptop.

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    1. Re:i tested the prototype for these guys by Stelix · · Score: 1

      Hi, 1. the motion is being made less sensitive already to account for this. 2. a NEW addition is that the part that attaches to the laptop includes a security slot to allow for people to attach their existing cable locks when they're in the office! Thanks.

    2. Re:i tested the prototype for these guys by Robbat2 · · Score: 1

      Great to hear it, if you pass another prototype down to Gordon @ SFU Surrey, I'll gladly test it out some more for you :-).

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      ICQ# : 30269588
      "I used to be an idealist, but I got mugged by reality."
  72. Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I worked in a retail store 10 years ago we were selling these.

  73. ... the old fashioned way by sittingbull · · Score: 1

    I am waiting for the portable balck-hole that one can turn-on and off at a whim. Then you can attach the supermassive body into the inside of the case. When a thief snatches your laptop the black-hold switchs on and the person is crushed at infinitum - thats cool security.

  74. Favorite Laptop Alarm by rodney+dill · · Score: 1

    Exploding dye pack

    face it your laptop needed a better color scheme anyway.

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    Use your head, can't you, use your head,
    You're on earth, there's no cure for that
    - S. Beckett
  75. Laptop alarms, stolen!! by Zetta+Matrix · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read this as "laptop alarms stolen - without the laptop attached" ??

  76. If water is too messy... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    See what happens if you put one of these (Vice Grips) on there, real tight.

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    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  77. Semtex + pager by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Insert high explosive into laptop (nonfunctioning "CDROM drive"/half-life battery). Add a pager.

    If it receives a pager message with a valid detonation message (not just any message), it blows up after a silent delay or optionally sounds an alarm and blows up after a delay.

    Of course this is dangerous, but then if you're a member of a terrorist organisation, it's a way to spread terror and cut down on theft at the same time (insert evil laughter).

    Don't even need to recruit trained suicide bombers. Should be easy enough to get a laptop stolen initially.

    Can imagine them rejoicing when the 1st thief is blown up at a McD or Starbucks.

    If the thieves never survive, no-one else will ever know they aren't suicide bombers and they'd keep on stealing laptops.

    If you use the alarm, laptop theft could drop significantly after the first two or three incidents.

    Yes, it is conceivable that something with a GPS could be more useful, but GPS+transponder could take up too much space.

    Luckily I don't work for a terrorist org :)...

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  78. DMCA doesn't apply in Canada by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    The article is about a Canadian device...

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    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  79. Silent Alarms are always the best solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ...well that's what I think. If a thief knows there is an alarm they probably just dump or trash the laptop (in this case) and the chances of getting it back intact are very remote.


    I use LapCop for my powerbook and my desktop for that matter. Combined with a firmware password (stopping anyone reformating your harddrive) you can install it as a invisible application and when your PowerBook is next connected to the internet via the modem or a network it will email you it's new IP information. Hopefully after that you can trace down it location with the help of the ISP it's connected to.


    Granted not a good as a GSP based system, but a good and relatively cheap solution.

  80. Much more usefull than existing devices. by Kristoph · · Score: 1

    The "pager thing" is the whole point of their invention.

    It means you, the user, do not need to explicily activate and deactivate the device making it much more likelly to protect you.

    The Targus device is next to useless because it does not permit you to use your laptop without turning the device off. (If you try to work while it is on you are likelly to trip the motion sensor accidentally, especially while working on the road - where you will have the laptop on your lap.)

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  81. RFID tag by krusadr · · Score: 1

    Looks like soon all you'll need to do is call the police and they'll be able to locate your laptop precisely using its imbedded RFID tag - and probably trace on a map everywhere it has been in the last six months too.

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    wget -O /dev/null http://www.sco.com?sco=litigious%20bastards
    }
  82. How about using the power supply for... by rthille · · Score: 1

    the florescent backlighting (high-voltage) as a theft deterent?

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  83. Is this news? by tlayne · · Score: 1

    I bought my Thinkpad 3 years ago and remember seeing adds for similar alarm systems from IBM. A quick google for "laptop alarms" yields 87,300 results. Clearly this is not news. Guess it must be stuff that matters.

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    Terry Layne
    Portland, OR
  84. Awesome! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    Very good point. And love the link to the pic. I think you have "clamped down" and got a good "grip" on another way to defeat the alarm. With the vice grip, you would have a second of sound followed by permanent silence. OF course, buy a few alarms yourself and practice destroying them quickly, where to squeeze it, etc, and you're set.

  85. RE: laptop thefts by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Several years ago, I remember issuing one of our company's salespeople a brand new Toshiba laptop with all the extras. He immediately took it, placed it in his new leather carrying bag, and put it in the trunk of his car. Later that afternoon, someone had taken a crow-bar, pried his trunk open, and stolen the whole thing - while his car sat in the company parking lot!

    Laptop theft is VERY popular, because of the ease of reselling them, the portability, and the fact that you don't look "out of place" carrying one around in public.

    There are already software systems in place that report your stolen laptop's whereabouts as soon as the thief tries connecting it up to the Internet. Seems to me this might be rather effective, but you're likely to only find the poor soul who purchased it used, not knowing it was stolen - rather than the original thief.

    I'm not sure about this alarm idea. Probably not bad if you want some extra assistance catching someone who does a "snatch and run" on your laptop in a restaurant or something - but I bet many more laptops are stolen right out of hotel rooms while the owner is at dinner, out of vehicles, etc.

  86. A 'fix' to the 'car alarm' problem by MarcQuadra · · Score: 1

    I have a long-term grassroots solution.

    When a car alarm goes off for a long time I usually toss a rock at the car or key it to fsck it up, and leave a note saying how the only damage done was BECAUSE of the alarm. I do the same for house alarms.

    Not only is it a wonderful release of built-up aggression, it helps to rid our society of this blight of annoying noise.

    I drive a car without an alarm, I work and park in Boston, I leave my windows an inch open (to vent) and a CD player out on the dash, I've been doing this for FOUR YEARS and not had a thing stolen. Hell, I used to leave the thing UNLOCKED in Boston before I had a laptop, and nobody ever fscked with it.

    Stealing a car these days is VERY hard to pull off without going to prison, and I've had more luck leaving my car 'vulnerable' than locking it down tight, it shows that you've got nothing worth taking.

    --
    "Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
  87. band aid solution... by SomeGuyFromCA · · Score: 1

    Laptop alarms. HelLO. This isn't like a car alarm, where you have to be away and out of sight for hours on end. You can actually carry the thing with you.

    I'm a college student. I've owned my Dell Inspiron 4100 for two years now. I follow a very simple policy to prevent it being stolen. If I'm not home, it's either in my locked house, in a drawer under some old shirts, (and if my house gets broken into, I will have bigger worries than whether they found my laptop) or it's in my possession, either in use or in my backpack. Not a huge black carrying case with the Dell logo on it, nor even a laptop bag of any sort - a $20 backpack from Target. And that backpack goes everywhere with me when I have it. I check it in with store security (and if they lose it, lawsuit!), I tuck it under the table in a restaurant, I quite simply do not let go of the thing or leave it anywhere.

    Worked fine so far.

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    if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
  88. Fun Fun Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it's so much fun to jump up and down on the back of a car with an alarm and make it go off! Especially the really sensitive ones! Uh, guys, stop looking at me like that OK...

  89. Re:So don't use alarms. : by daTHoK · · Score: 1
    I think there was a point that I hadn't elucidated on in my post which you noted. I was focusing on securing software from prying eyes rather than worrying about the hardware that contained such information.

    The system I suggested is applicable primarily when the value of the software (programs or information) outweighs the value of the hardware. Under these circumstances, the user will be less concerned about the $2000 piece of hardware than the $250,000 worth of information on that hardware.

    Much of the operations planning I'm working on for a local company involves the use of laptops while en route to sites. The laptops themselves don't contain any private information, relying upon a central (secured) station to host that data, so the theft of information is less of a concern in these situations than that of the hardware.

    When it comes to theft of hardware, there's no level of technology that'll prevent the theft itself once the laptop has been obtained. Your comment on espionage hit the nail on the head, though, which is where the encryption comes into play. (They should still be tossed in jail if they've chosen to ignore their training and be complete doughnuts. ;)

    This isn't to say that these students don't have a market; however, they've focused on the wrong segment of the overall IT market. Devices like these should be marketed to top-level execs who can fork over five times the price they're planning on charging.

    [Grins.]

  90. What alarms really need by bugnuts · · Score: 1

    A laptop alarm that notifies the owner should have a locked wrist bracelet... if the alarm is about to go off, the user has 15 seconds to disable it before it blares the alarm and simultaneously shocks the hell out of the owner for being lazy.

  91. Re: laptop thefts by Stelix · · Score: 1
    An intelligent person already replied to most of this comment. However, I thought I would just add to your estimations at WHERE theft occurs: 36% on the road, 29% at work, 23% at airports, 8% in cars, 4% in hotels.

    I think it's quite often a theft of opportunity, like put your laptop down for 1 second at the airport or at a shop and temporarily forget and walk away a few feet and BOOM: gone...

  92. I agree. by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1
    Alarms going off has become so prevalent in our society that most people ignore them.
    I think that a significant reason for that is the reason these alarms go off [such as the fire alarms that you mention] plus the fact that most of us assume that the situations are under control. With all the car alarms that I hear, I've never knowingly seen a car being stolen.

    There was that story about a woman crying for help while she was being raped. The people just stood by & watched from their apartment windows because they assumed that someone had already called the police.
  93. The words ring true by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    From my earlier (accepted) story:

    DARPA Grand Challenge Kicks Off March 13th

    Monday March 08, @10:40PM

    GillBates0 writes "A quick reminder that the DARPA Grand Challenge is due to kick off March 13, the coming Saturday." He points to this "quick recap of the teams participating in the event," as well as details about the available satellite feeds. "The Atlanta-Journal Constitution is running a story about the event today. Quoting Frank Dellaert, co-director of Georgia Tech's robotics lab from the article, 'I would have trouble driving some of these roads myself. I think it's beyond the capabilities of autonomous vehicles today.' (shameless school plug). We'll see if the participants can prove him wrong."

    The words ring true now, though I never expected such a -ve outcome.

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    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam