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Build a Robot out of a Car?

SomeRobotGuy writes "A researcher in the U.K. is in the process of building an autonomous biped robot out of a Mini Cooper r50. Its functions are controlled by six computers running RTLinux and it's powered by an internal combustion engine. And the thing's not tiny, at over 10 feet tall! The site includes videos showing some impressive results."

264 comments

  1. Standard Bending Unit? by mod_critical · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now it just needs a loudspeaker and a recording of "BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS!"

    1. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by digital+bath · · Score: 1, Troll

      The site includes videos showing some impressive results

      Not any more! muahahahahaha

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    2. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by firstadopter.com · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a line from UT2004.

    3. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, after all these years you'd think slashdot would have tried to come up with something that wouldn't cripple the web sites they link to, and cost poor unsuspecting people hugely increased bandwidth fees. For a website that always tries to position itself as siding with the independent, pre-commercial spirit of the internet, the Slashdot editors have a really lousy sense of ethics.

    4. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by BLAG-blast · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You know, after all these years you'd think slashdot would have tried to come up with something that wouldn't cripple the web sites they link to, and cost poor unsuspecting people hugely increased bandwidth fees. For a website that always tries to position itself as siding with the independent, pre-commercial spirit of the internet, the Slashdot editors have a really lousy sense of ethics.

      Right on!

      What makes it even worse is that they have a busines model around fukcing over unsuspecting people. You pay them to see the site before it gets completely crippled (I notice that some times people take down movies and won't put them back up after a slashdotting). Now if it wasn't for the slashdot effect, would so many people pay for slashdot accounts?

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    5. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by dakryx · · Score: 1

      Well slashdot would have to get the permission of website owner to mirror their site. You don't want to go stepping on people's copyright.

    6. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      That sounds like a line from UT2004

      Your statement is unacceptable on slashdot. Please leave.

      Please educate yourself

    7. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by jwriney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gosh, asking for permission is so hard! It's clearly better to crush their site and potentially make them pay thousands of dollars in bandwidth overages instead.

      --riney

    8. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Looks like the server isn't exactly UNBENDABLE...

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    9. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      yeah - no shat - 11,000 users hit this site and almost killed it - http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/29/2319202.shtm l

      The site owner had to pull his stuff and pay a thousand dollar bill.

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    10. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think so. If they honor the robots.txt, they should be fine. Google and archive.org do basically the same thing.

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    11. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it be at all possible to link to the google cache rather than the origional page so as to avoid slashdotting a page?

    12. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      The problem is of what is considered reproduction and what is considered part of the transmission process.

      For example, Web caching is considered acceptable. I don't know whether it's been tested in court, but at the least people do it without worries.

    13. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by MukiMuki · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You know, you'd think after all these years someone would make an update to Apache which would basically amount to a "Protect Against SlashDot Effect" checkbox. If more than ten megs move out over the course of ten seconds (a minute, hundred megs, whatever works best, this is just an arbritary set of example numbers), the site CLOSES temporarily. Just a blank page, or a user-defined page. "Sorry, we're slashdotted, come back later. Link : What is 'slashdotted'. Click to find out ", or something of the sort.

      Of course, in a perfect world all movie links would be torrent files seeded by the server at a max speed of 10k/sec.

    14. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Slashdot should simply cache the sites posted and pay the bandwidth costs themselves.

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    15. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, it is running on Zeus, supposedly faster web server in the world...

    16. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by krymsin01 · · Score: 1

      Zeus is so fast that it burns my ass with lighting.

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    17. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by stevey · · Score: 1

      But there are already bandwidth limiting modules for Apache, I know I wrote one!

      The problem is that few people use them, the only time I've really ever seen them is on the free sites like geocities where you are often greeted with an error.

      "This site has used up its available bandwidth, please return in an hour".

      Of course I usually don't bother returning, and rely on a google cache if it's available.

    18. Re:Standard Bending Unit? by welsh+git · · Score: 1

      All slashdot needs to do is configure something like the "reverse proxy" in apache.

      It's easy to automate something like:

      http://www.somesite.org.cache.slashdot.org/someu rl that would automatically map to http://www.somesite.org/someurl

      When a request is first made to one of the *.cache.slashdot.org addresses, the slashdot cache machine fetches the data in realtime, and (for a static page, like image, movie, sound file etc. in particular) stores it in a local cache, so the next time someone requests the file, its pulled from the slashdot site cache.

      It's a "reverse proxy" because it behaves just like a web-proxy, except it's proxying for the remote-server rather than the client-browser.

      To avoid misuse, someone could easily hack up something that only allowed specific URL's to work - ones that are automatically added to a list when a new slashdot article is posted, and automatically expire after 2 weeks (say)

      A wildcard dns for *.cache.slashdot.org and apache ServerAlias *.cache.slashdot.org coupled with dynamic "authorised addresses" loaded via a .htaccess would make configuration almost automatic.

      This would have the required effect on saving bandwidth, would require minimal per-post administration, and would behave more like a "google-temporary-cache" than a "mirror" so should be more acceptable to site owners too. (Site owners will still have control, as they'd be able to set standard non-caching-headers on files that they don't want cached for any reason)

      And the apache reverse proxy sets the "X-Forwarded-For: " header so IP access logs can still be kept simply by configuring apache to store that header in the access log file.

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  2. Huh? by TapTapTheChisler · · Score: 5, Funny

    They could have picked any transformer and they pick BUMBLEBEE?

    1. Re:Huh? by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

      Transformer Refuses To Change Back Into Volkswagen

      CYBERTRON -- Following an intense battle with Megatron and his evil Decepticons Monday, former robot-in-disguise Bumblebee refused to revert to his natural state as a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. "I hid my existence in this world by taking the form of a vehicle! I revealed my true nature when I was called upon to protect earth!" said Bumblebee, a member of Optimus Prime's heroic Autobots force. "I refuse to change back into a humiliating bubble-shaped compact car!" Bumblebee added that Megatron arrived on earth with one goal: Destruction!

      (from The Onion)

    2. Re:Huh? by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Yes, but that "car" definitely has More than Meets the Eye...
      :b

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  3. More than meets the eye... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1, Funny

    I dub him Bumblebee...

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    1. Re:More than meets the eye... by Gary+Yogurt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually he's Bumblebee's British cousin, Nigel. (He visited Cybertron during the short-lived Transformers sitcom.)

    2. Re:More than meets the eye... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW.

      This is creepy.

      I had the Transformers theme stuck in my head for some reason. Just randomly popped in there.

      So I started whistling it out loud, and I decide to check Slashdot.

      And the first thing I see is a story about a Transformer model.

      Wow.

  4. transformers by gnumake · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Did this spark anyone else off to reminisce about transformers? "Autobots, Transform and roll out!"

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  5. Next up by bartyboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should use a red tractor trailer to build Optimus Prime.

    1. Re:Next up by Epistax · · Score: 1, Funny

      Optimus Prime is jewish?

      (/nothing to see here, you don't get it>

    2. Re:Next up by numbski · · Score: 1

      Get it right. His name isn't Optimus Prime, Convoy.

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    3. Re:Next up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the tractor trailer going to slink off to when he goes into robot mode?

    4. Re:Next up by Masami+Eiri · · Score: 1

      Except the show's original incarnation was in English, therefore the english names should be canon, at least for G1 (up until Headmasters), Beast Wars, Beast Machines (sadly), and I'm not sure, but maybe Armada (also sadly).

    5. Re:Next up by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

      All the transformers had pocket dimensions to store their extra mass. I mean, do you honestly think Megatron could go from giant 50 foot tall robot to tiny 10 foot long hand-gun without putting some of his pieces somewhere else? So we need some physicists to start working on extractable, storable black holes to start the OptimusPrime project...

    6. Re:Next up by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Forget Megatron, consider Soundwave. 50 foot tall robot to pocket cassette recorder? Nevermind Rumble, Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, etc. he carried that were the size of humans or larger in robot mode, yet still had to shrink with Soundwave to individually be the size of a normal audio cassette! And still all be carried inside the tape deck together.

      At least Perceptor transformed into a really big microscope most of the time.

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  6. wow by AssProphet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The things you can do with photoshop...

  7. Transformers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More than meets the eye!

  8. Bubblegum Crisis by RadicalBender · · Score: 3, Funny

    Holy crap! It's a Motoslave!

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  9. More than meets the eye! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit, it's Bumblebee! ~swoon~

  10. I just love photoshop... by Richard+N.+Bush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and After Effects.

    1. Re:I just love photoshop... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, to avoid a robot-car gap, I have to turned to my driveway to see what I can do. Mini Cooper r50, prepare to meet '82 Dodge Colt RS! And mine has a sun-roof...

      we meet at dawn.

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  11. It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The site is well camouflaged to make it seem real. The CG work is well done. It wouldn't suprise me if this is a site created by MINI. They have a long history of non-traditional advertising. They have put a MINI in the stands at a Giants Baseball game. They put them into Malls on a platform with coin slots saying $16,995 in quaters for a ride.
    There best known one was putting the MINI on the roof of a Chevy Suburban and driving it arround San Francisco.

    It was also recently revealed that the Weekly World News article with BatBoy Stealing a MINI was a planted article by MINI USA.

    1. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by MrBlue+VT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I mean I guess they are trying out of the box advertising, but stuff like this isn't so good. It suckers people who don't know what the state of the art is in robotics and don't know that what is displayed here is all fake. Now I'll have to see how many of my less technically adept (or frankly just gullible) friends send this link to me.

    2. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is true but that's where advertising is these days. I remember having to explain to people that Christopher Reeve didn't get a miracle cure, it was just something put together at work in a flame bay.

    3. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am horrified and outraged that the Weekly World News could be influenced like this. It is terrible when such a reputable periodical tarnishes it's reputation by printing things like this that aren't truthful.

    4. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by RajivSLK · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seems that it is advertising.

      A whois lookup on r50rd.co.uk returns the address:

      6 darblay street
      london
      W1V 8DM
      GB

      A quick search for this address on Google reveals:

      Martyn Gould Productions, 6 D'Arblay St, London, W1F 8DN, UK

      On a page titled: "Film and Television - Post Production, Commercials"

    5. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Microsofts+slave · · Score: 1

      Would have caught me, under the slashdotting, were it not for the wonderfully fake picture provided. If the world looked like that, then we all would want glasses.

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    6. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Thats one of the many many 'post production' houses near my uni (westminster), with their fancy schmancy offices and poncey logos. Looks like one of the crapper ones, unless they were trying to make the fake obvious? nah.

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    7. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by sydsavage · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And a quick search on Google for Colin Mayhew reveals that's an alias for prison escapee Allan Johnson. Looks like he's continuing his string of frauds.

    8. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Sven+The+Space+Monke · · Score: 1

      The question is - is it from the BMW/Mini folks, is this a teaser thing for the oft-rumored live-action Transformers movie, or is this just a guy with too much time on their hands? I'd put even money on each.

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    9. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by shrykk · · Score: 1

      I don't really care about this being fake - it's so cool.

      Surely 'News for nerds' should include "Check this out, it's cool." Good hoax, well-executed. Thank you Mini.

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    10. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by isoprophlex · · Score: 1

      yeah it certainly had me for a minute. until i read it. then for some reason it made me think that today i actually parked my car outside mini in the valley. and dam, they are pretty nice cars.... lol

    11. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously noone here remembers the classic 80s BMW print ads. Just before the release of the original 3 series cabriolet...especially for APRIL THE FIRST!!!!

    12. Re:It's a nice bit of CG, it might be from MINI by white_kozuo · · Score: 1

      So I looked deeper into this 6 Darblay Street address.

      Not only is Martin Gould no longer there, they went out of business more than two years ago.

  12. Transformer by firstadopter.com · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Optimus Prime would be so call. Autobots Transform! Roll Out!

  13. Sigh by srcosmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fifteen comments and the server appears to have bit the dust.
    Slashdot should come up with some automatic link-cacheing system or something...

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    1. Re:Sigh by Rockenreno · · Score: 1

      yeah, I noticed that too... poor weak server can't handle the meager attention it has got. What's it going to do when the herds come?

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    2. Re:Sigh by molotovcD · · Score: 1

      Just thinking the same thing... that didnt last long did it.

  14. Poor publicity... by Akki · · Score: 4, Funny

    For something claiming to be "the fastest Web server ever". It certainly doesn't seem to be standing up to a slashdotting very well.

    1. Re:Poor publicity... by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Funny
      For something claiming to be "the fastest Web server ever" [zeus.com]. It certainly doesn't seem to be standing up to a slashdotting very well.

      Of course they are the fastest. They ran away.

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    2. Re:Poor publicity... by Myco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I don't know... it went down pretty fast.

    3. Re:Poor publicity... by cgenman · · Score: 1

      It's so borked it even stopped seving up the 503 error page. Now that's quality you can count on!

  15. Geez. by Azureflare · · Score: 2, Funny
    That's great. Link to a small site with a bunch of medium mpeg files. Give them no warning. Has slashdot no shame???

    Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites. *sigh*

    From what I got to see of it, it is truly awesome! The amount of work this guy has put into this project is just amazing. Makes me realize even more how much I want to get into the field of robotics.

    1. Re:Geez. by firstadopter.com · · Score: 1

      Ouch, mpegs + slashdot = death

    2. Re:Geez. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not real. It's a fucking ad campaign. It decodes to "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

    3. Re:Geez. by introverted · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites.

      I wonder if perhaps that's a sign that the small hobbyist sites are the only ones doing "cool" stuff anymore.

    4. Re:Geez. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites.

      In this case 'small hobbyist' turns out to be guerrilla/deceptive marketers and the /. effect is great weapon to use on these assholes.

  16. HOLA! by GoMMiX · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now THAT is a toy!!

    I'll take a dozen!

  17. He DOES exist by choas · · Score: 0, Redundant

    My God!... It`s Bumblebee!!

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  18. hmm.. by Suppafly · · Score: 1

    It would be way cooler if it was a transforming robot.

  19. Slashdot effect by pholower · · Score: 1

    /. effect has taken over, none of the pictures can be seen now. Does anybody have a mirror site by chance?

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  20. They should have run the by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Funny

    server on the cooper engine.
    MORE HORSEPOWER!!

    1. Re:They should have run the by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      "Horse power is for those who can't keep thier speed up in the corners"

      - Some anonymous racer

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    2. Re:They should have run the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...said immediately after having his ass stomped by a faster car with higher displacement. It's the riceboy equivalent of "Your x86 processor might be more powerful, but my G4 feels faster." STFU.

      There is no replacement for displacement kiddies.

  21. And the winner is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would hate to be the other robot when this thing makes it to battle bots.

  22. ./ one of the good guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That server just got a healthy DDOS /. bodyslam.

  23. Site is Farked... by d0st03vsky · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...er, I mean /.-ed...

  24. Decepticon Millennium Copyright Act by SunPin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, this is an unacceptable use of an automobile.

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    1. Re:Decepticon Millennium Copyright Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now THAT was a clever one liner. Mod points should be coming your way

  25. Autobots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the decepticons!!

    Brkljacic -- dosen't that sound line the 'transforming' sound????

    HA!

  26. Strange things indeed.. by brain1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This thing looks like a cross between a Gundam and Robocop. I think that Jesse James should have built this on Monster Garage. OK. Now what does it REALLY do?

  27. I think someone has robot envy :) by pavon · · Score: 1

    Seriously though, this is by far the coolest robot I have ever seen in my life. Look at the stop test. That is something that I would be excited to see in a movie, moving in real life.

    If this is hoax I am going to be so pissed.

  28. Bad idea here by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Bad idea here, no not creating a robot out of a mini. No the bad idea was creating something that resembled a transformer and not hosting it on a well configured webserver on high end hardware with lots of bandwidth. See what happens is slashdot gets wind of such a thing, and with many geeks having fond memories of transformers, the next thing you know the fire chief wants to have a word with the CTO. Bad idea.

  29. Could Be Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could be wrong but shouldn't the topic be, "Build a Robot out of a Car"? Seriously people, Fridays no longer an excuse for these errors.

  30. Imagine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a beowulf cluster of these puppies!

  31. DARPA?? by pvt_medic · · Score: 2, Funny

    i wonder if it would qualify for the Darpa competition. I think it would be an interesting twist if it did.

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    1. Re:DARPA?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are too busy eating cheese sandwiches to care about some grant money. But it would be a cool side project.

      Kudos to you!

  32. FAKE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Watch the "Battery Test" video, if that isn't CGI then I'm a monkey's uncle.

    1. Re:FAKE! by sakusha · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right, it's a dead giveaway. Notice the guy holding the clipboard, the lighting is camera left since the clipboard casts a shadow on his chest. But the fake CG shadows from the "robot" indicate the model was lit from the camera upper right. And none of the background objects (i.e. the cart) casts shadows anywhere near as distinct as the "robot."
      Come on fakers, don't you know that your lighting has to be consistent between composited layers?

    2. Re:FAKE! by vectra14 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also listen to the interview- especially the "leg is a pendulum, so we used a fly-wheel" crap. I have some (limited) experience with humanoid-type robotics, but this guy straight BS'es through both interviews. its pretty amusing through.

    3. Re:FAKE! by vectra14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      bad form to reply to self, etc etc, but just wanted to put the final nail into this coffin (err....):

      "The gyros are polled at 100Hz, which is overkill considering the height of the robot's CG. With six gyros churning at 100hz, a lot of mission-critical bandwidth is required, so I placed the gyros on their own token-ring controller that is accessible only to the balance and watchdog CPUs. "

      100hz is SLOW for low-level feedback control. we run 4-wheel omni-dir robots and they go at 300 hz... i would think that you need an even higher control frequency (and lots of sensors/fast actuators!) when you're balancing a humanoid.

      the robots center of gravity has nothing to do with this. also you would probably have more than 6 gyros for this many limbs... and you'd also have accelerometers, etc. a token ring has NOTHING to do we gyro/accel-type sensors. in fact all a gyro/acc requires for output is usually a single wire connection (analog or duty cycle output)

      also, humanoids are REALLY difficult to keep balanced, not even speaking of through doing some actions (stopping cars?????). oh yeah, and motors with torque high enough to actually support that thing either a) don't exist or b) are too slow or c) REALLY expensive. take a look at the sony SDR-4X robot ( i think it got renamed recently) and its joints. compare to Honda's ASIMO thats a few years older. etc etc...

    4. Re:FAKE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linguistic analysis backup: the author states that he is 'originally from Oxford', and then proceeds to talk about 'autos' with 'hoods'. In proper English these are, of course, cars with bonnets.

    5. Re:FAKE! by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      Err..considering how old he is, it wouldn't surprise me that he uses the word "autos", I seem to recall them being referred to as such by Mr. Toad/Kenneth Grahame. Same with the "hood" thing...though that's possibly less likely...

      I'm in no doubt as to the shenanigans, but I don't think that his use of language is the primary factor in establishing that ;)

  33. The real scoop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Redundant

    The site is well camouflaged to make it seem real. The CG work is well done. It wouldn't suprise me if this is a site created by MINI. They have a long history of non-traditional advertising. They have put a MINI in the stands at a Giants Baseball game. They put them into Malls on a platform with coin slots saying $16,995 in quaters for a ride.
    There best known one was putting the MINI on the roof of a Chevy Suburban and driving it arround San Francisco.

    It was also recently revealed that the Weekly World News article with BatBoy Stealing a MINI was a planted article by MINI USA

    1. Re:The real scoop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  34. Next Project by Catnapster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Take an F-15 and turn it into Starscream.

    Or, optionally, find a thirty-foot-long alien ray gun and turn it into Shockwave.

    Don't forget Unicron!

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    1. Re:Next Project by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

      I thought Shockwave was a tape player >.> Megatron/Galvatron were ray guns....

    2. Re:Next Project by Creedo · · Score: 1

      I can hardly believe that I am posting this but...
      Soundwave was the tape player. Shockwave was the giant ray gun.

      I could never get an "official" Shockwave. However, Radio Shack sold a clone of him. I have that one in a box downstairs. His arm is broken at the joint, but he is in otherwise good condition.

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    3. Re:Next Project by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 1

      Or, optionally, find a thirty-foot-long alien ray gun and turn it into Shockwave. Don't forget Unicron!

      I think unicron is what I use to schedule jobs on my Sun workstation.

      And isn't there a distributed computing project somewhere to find Optimus Prime?.

      Hmmmmm...

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    4. Re:Next Project by Catnapster · · Score: 1

      Soundwave was the tape player.
      Megatron was a Walther PPK. In the cartoon, he could fire the fusion cannon in the gun mode.
      Galvatron was, if I recall correctly, a portable gun (kind of like a machine gun, only a fusion cannon instead).
      Shockwave was a big, purple, thirty-foot-long alien ray gun.
      And in case anybody missed the joke, Unicron was a planet that A) ate other planets and B) could transform into a gargantuan robot.

      --
      The world can be wrong today for once.
  35. Mod Parent Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    While this is some cool CG it really doesn't mean that his hoster needs a DDOS attack on port 80. I mean really.

  36. Obviously fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Just take a look at the photos - clearly this is fake, done with CG. Look at the tires on the wheels - it's like they didn't even try.

  37. Go Autobots! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't give away any secrets in the process of bragging...

  38. It's Not Real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is nothing but fluff on that site. The "sketches" have the stink of marketing all over them. Now, whenever I see a Mini Cooper, I'll be reminded of their pathetic "me too" attempt to get some attention. At least Honda's Cog ad actually entailed some technological brilliance and real work to make happen. All this does is raise the question of where the line should be drawn when it comes to making false claims of research and development in order to get free advertising. Isn't that illegal? What's the difference between what Mini is doing and what we'd think of a drug company that fabricated a bunch of bogus "technology" to imply that it had a cure for cancer for the purpose of getting free advertising?

    Yeah, I guess I don't like the feeling of being duped by a marketing department.

    1. Re:It's Not Real by Ozone+Depletion · · Score: 0

      didn't a drug company do that? I could have sworn there was a commercial with christopher reeves walking. or maybe it was a charity...

    2. Re:It's Not Real by sakusha · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well Honda's cog ad was plagiarized from a famous 1987 performance art film, "Der Lauf der Dinge" (The Way Things Go) by Fischli & Weiss. So "brilliant" and "real work" are not words you could apply to the Honda ad, unless you think stealing someone elses original idea is real work and a brilliant idea.

    3. Re:It's Not Real by smack_attack · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surpised to see Christopher Reeves hopping on a Clydesdale one day.

    4. Re:It's Not Real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I wasn't aware of that film. "Der Lauf der Dinge" may itself have stolen from the drawings of Rube Goldberg to some extent, but I can forgive the taking of ideas and improving on them or creating a derivative work and not feel like I've been lied to. However, Mini's robot fabrication goes beyond that. I think it violates ethics and truth-in-advertising laws in the same manner as the drug company example previously described. In any event, I'll go check "Der Lauf der Dinge" out. Thanks!

    5. Re:It's Not Real by laddhebert · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Comeo on, lighten up dude. It carries a way-cool factor is really fun to look at. They aren't trying to sell you a transformer...

      -L

      --
      Don't Panic.
    6. Re:It's Not Real by sakusha · · Score: 1

      Check out the film, you'll see there is little similarity between it and Rube Goldberg devices, except in the very general sense of a long string of devices that bump into each other and interact in a convoluted chain of causality, Rube's devices actually DO someting, Fischli & Weiss's device does nothing, but in a most interesting way. The first time I saw that film, it was looping on a monitor at MOCA in LA, I was so astonished I sat down and watched it twice. It took me years to locate a copy of the film, I found a VHS tape in the store of MOCA in Chicago for only $20.
      And yeah, I do share your distaste for overly clever stealth marketing tricks like the Mini robot.

    7. Re:It's Not Real by riffer · · Score: 1
      You can get "The Way Things Go" on DVD as well as VHS now. The DVD is definitely worth it for the quality of the images.

      Here's the site to order it from.

      As for the Cog ad being a rip-off of that film, while the grandparent post is idiotic. The Cog ad was very clearly an homage to Rube Goldberg devices, the likes of which have been shown in movies, TV shows and cartoons for well over fifty years. "The Way Things Go" isn't really innovative with the basic concept, it's just a nify piece done for the sake of doing it... And a nice demonstration of science in the process.

      --
      In the darkness of future past, The magician longs to see. One chants between two worlds, "Fire, walk with me!"
    8. Re:It's Not Real by sakusha · · Score: 1

      You're missing a lot here. The Honda ad has scenes lifted directly from The Way Things Go, like the tires counterweighted so they "roll uphill," or the wiper blade motors that move exactly the same way as the mechanized shoes. It was a direct copy.
      You are apparently unable to see beyond the literal interpretation of an artwork. Fischli & Weiss's film is about alchemy, notice that the devices have 4 basic themes, fire, air, water, earth. There is a real narrative in the film, if you look for it. There is far more in this film I could explain, but I am probably casting pearls before swine.

    9. Re:It's Not Real by riffer · · Score: 1
      There is far more in this film I could explain, but I am probably casting pearls before swine.

      No, you're just being a fucking asshat.

      Yes, I'm quite aware of the elemental themes in "The Way Things Go". It's sort of hard to miss the way they kept burning things, using water, balloons, etc. No. Fucking. Shit.

      Again, my original comment stands. These concepts are not new, and claiming the Honda ad was a direct copy of "The Way Things Go" is self-indulgent ego-stroking. You're caught-up in the idea that you are an intellectual superior because you can see THE ART in a film made by a couple of Germans in a warehouse as an execuse to sponge money off the NEA and other organizations.

      This doesn't make their creation any less fascinating or entertaining. It is, however, no more original than Honda's ad. Dumbass.

      --
      In the darkness of future past, The magician longs to see. One chants between two worlds, "Fire, walk with me!"
  39. Yeah. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note to self: If I ever make a web server, don't put advertisements for it on "Error 503: Server Broke" page.

  40. Winner already known by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I think the DARPA team did this, it's the Hummer thingy. And I said this in the DARPA thread, the DARPA "contest" is a sham, there is only one vehicle that can win, and it seems to be funded by guess what? Defese contractors. Suprise.

    --
    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  41. Robot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My car is already a robot, isn't it?

  42. Mini? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Six computers in a Cooper Mini? Hell, they'd never fit. This must be fake.

  43. Red Green by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Red Green already did this with a K-Car. And a few rolls of duct tape.

    --
    "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
  44. I liked it better by aexandria1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    when they called it KITT. All they need now is a couple of LEDs on the front of the car and William Daniels in the trunk.

  45. Something like this? by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The /. effect got to the page before I did... But I wonder if the robot looks something like this:

    http://home.comcast.net/~themichaelsmith/VWHiRes.m pg

    --
    Homme petit d'homme petit, s'attend, n'avale
  46. Slashdotted already! by xandroid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's the image on the one page I could access. Below it was the text:

    "Here is r50r without the protective bonnet plate. I was a bit hesitant to post this because you can see some of the details of my mechanics. But I don't think it gives away too many secrets."

    --
    $ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
    1. Re:Slashdotted already! by xandroid · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was lucky enough to get the actual article a second later, too -- link

      --
      $ echo "ceci n'est pas une pipe" | sed -Ee 's/(eci n|pas )//g'
  47. Mini-bot uses shoulder wheels for balance by jeoin · · Score: 0

    I think that the mini coopers are fake. I have never seen anyone really get out of one, they are spys for uncle sams blue blooded kin and seek to control world by stealling all the parking spaces .5 at a time..

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    Jeoin
  48. Transformer? Please. Battlemechs Rule! by craXORjack · · Score: 2, Funny

    No way man! A BattleMech is way cooler than any fruity ass robot that transforms into a refridgerator. Put a .50 cal on it, some recoilless rockets, maybe a laser or two and send it out looking for Osama bin laden.

    --
    Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
    1. Re:Transformer? Please. Battlemechs Rule! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Battlemechs? Please. Omnimechs are way more versatile than standard battlemechs.

    2. Re:Transformer? Please. Battlemechs Rule! by Renski · · Score: 1

      On MW2 Mercs I had a stalker, striped all the armour off the arms, and back, and had 6 medium pulse lasers in the chest...and the rest was just heat sinks... I could remove the legs of anything in seconds...if I didnt explode first! Now that was fun.. Did anyone else find the bug that allowed you to put unlimited weight on battle suits? And the one if you removed the CD from drive during the loading of the level, you passed with the same results as the last mission? Renski

  49. This would be cooler if... by rasafras · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...it were real. This is basically a less cool version of the VW bug transformer video, which can be found here (sorry about the format). The creator of the video has an interview here, though the original site is down.

    I'm surprised this slipped through, editors.

  50. I, for one... by Bradee-oh! · · Score: 1

    Welcome our new autonomous automotive overlords...

    --
    "This is Zombo Com, and welcome to you who have come to Zombo Com" - www.zombo.com
  51. Did he build a Robot out of his webserver too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if so then it explains why the website is missing.

  52. A Tragic Waste... by Doches · · Score: 1

    ...Of a good Mini Cooper. *sigh*

  53. WOW! by Dakk777 · · Score: 1

    That's a lot of LEGO Mindstorms kits!

  54. OT:Geez. by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's great. Link to a small site with a bunch of medium mpeg files. Give them no warning. Has slashdot no shame??? Seems like it's become a custom around here to destroy small hobbyist sites. *sigh*
    I agree that this might inconvenience many small sites, and in the case of those who (for whatever awful reason) have bandwidth overage charges instead of an auto-cutoff it might even put them in the poor house. However the current /. system works pretty well, especially when a subscriber takes it upon themselves (throwing caution and probably several legalities to the wind) to mirror the content or Google caches the site so we can at least read the text. And for quite some time on the Internet the reality is that any site, on any subject, anywhere geographically, can be /.'ed by MANY different news/aggregator sites if they link to it. And with the high content value on small sites that concentrate on a single subject (esp if it's the original author/design team/etc's site) there is a much higher probablility that it will be selected to be /.'ed by the world at large. Of course hardly anyone at these small sites actually considers that they might get blasted by a "friendly DDOS", and even the ones who think/pray for the attention of a giant like /. probably don't go the extra bit and make sure their sites can either withstand it or fail gracefully (without the aforementioned bandwidth overage charges). Seems to me some of these "build a basic website" primers need to add a section on ALL the various things that can happen to even hobby websites; not only /.'ing but also defacement, etc.

    Of course I agree it's a problem, just giving my thoughts on the situation...

    Jonah Hex
    1. Re:OT:Geez. by glass_window · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the chances are of Slashdot actually doing the work for all of us and creating mirrors on their servers and linking to those instead of taking down poor defenseless websites. Probably not good, huh?

    2. Re:OT:Geez. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would be fucking easy to do and hardly a task to the server

    3. Re:OT:Geez. by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1, Informative
      I wonder what the chances are of Slashdot actually doing the work for all of us and creating mirrors on their servers and linking to those instead of taking down poor defenseless websites. Probably not good, huh?
      This gets asked and covered alot here, prob in the FAQ too but what the hell I'll give ya my take since you asked nicely... Mirroring runs right into copyright problems, permission issues, plus the actual bandwidth to transfer those mirrored bytes. No clue what is really legal or not just going on what I've read here and there, hopefully someone will chime in if I'm too far offbase.

      The Google cache itself could be considered illegal under certain sets of inter/national laws/treatys. Proxy servers are pretty decent caching mechanisms and are usually situated on the ISP pipe to the user, and seem to enjoy the same kind of "blind service provider" freedom from copyright infringement that ISPs themselves appear to have. None of the corps or ISPs I've personally worked for spent any time that I could see on figuring out how legal their proxy was, they only got attention when something technically went wrong. ;) So I suppose that if /. created a virtual ISP (prob using VPN tunnels) and ran a proxy server for it's users, it could most likely get away with mirroring anything at all from the web, with even less liability than Google cache could face.

      Jonah Hex
    4. Re:OT:Geez. by TwinkieStix · · Score: 1

      Legally, how is mirroring a breach of copyright? If you give credit to the author and make no changes to content that was already available for free and still is, then isn't this fair use?

    5. Re:OT:Geez. by Farmer+Jimbo · · Score: 1

      No. You are not allowed to publish copyrighted material without the author's permission. The end.

    6. Re:OT:Geez. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Well, the Google cache honors robots.txt...You'll even see some sites mentioning Google by name in there. I imagine that a Slashdot entry in robots.txt would be just as effective.

  55. This is the obvious result... by Genda · · Score: 1

    Of watching way to much Junkyard Wars... I wanna see this bad boy compete in any robot competition... the intimidation value alone should insure victory...

    Genda

  56. Bad post, bad edit, SNAFU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Michael, Timothy, Cliff, CowboyDumb et al,

    "Editors" EDIT stories for grammar, syntax and facts.
    That's why they get the moniker "Editors".

  57. Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by nherc · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just came across a reply from the creator regarding its authenicty on Google Groups:

    From: Chris S. (123@123.com)
    Subject: Re: Robot built from a Mini Cooper?
    View: Complete Thread (9 articles)
    Original Format
    Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc
    Date: 2004-03-11 13:08:35 PST

    I'm not so sure. I really want to believe this thing's for real, but I
    have some serious doubts. Here's the response I got from Colin Mayhew,
    the robot's inventor:

    Colin Mayhew wrote:

    >I can assure you that the Cooper project is a real and
    >very tangible one. Your suspicion is perhaps
    >understandable because the leaps we've made are rather
    >significant compared to the current state of
    >commercial AI. As Mr. Clarke wrote in Technology and
    >the Future, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
    >indistinguishable from magic." What's important to
    >remember in this famous quotation is not that the
    >technology becomes magic, but rather that technology
    >seems magical only to those who don't understand the
    >details or are not knowledgeable of the history of a
    >technology's development. It's for that reason that
    >I've placed notes online and have included videos from
    >different stages of the project. Have you seen videos
    >of people interacting with the Kismet robot? That
    >robot uses a fairly simple emotional model, yet people
    >bond to it and treat it as a 'living' creature! It has
    >become something magical from bits of aluminum and
    >electrons whizzing inside silicon. Your experiences in
    >the research sector I'm sure have shown you how
    >disconnected the public can be from the realities of
    >technology. There are autonomous machines (be they in
    >medicine or oil well drilling) so removed from our
    >daily lives that when we finally learn of them, we are
    >shocked and amazed---far more so than had we followed
    >the gradual steps and wrong turns the engineers made
    >developing and finessing the technology. This project
    >is real, and it, and the systems I've developed for it
    >are going to change the way we live our lives. The
    >most recent software revision I've tested on the robot
    >has some powerful reasoning capabilities, a large step
    >more powerful and versatile than that employed on the
    >robot when I recorded the videos you may have seen
    >online. They are perhaps powerful enough to seem like
    >magic, but both devil and the angel of creativity are
    >in the details. Soon enough, these little creatures
    >will be animating the robots all around us and making
    >our lives safer and more fulfilling.
    >
    >Regards,
    >Colin
    >
    >
    > --- "Chris S." wrote: > Is your
    >Mini Cooper powered robotic biped a real
    >
    >>project? Your site
    >>seems detailed enough, but the videos look
    >>suspiciously like computer
    >>generations. Either way, it's an entertaining feat.
    >>
    >>Sincerely,
    >>Chris S.

    Take it for what you will. I just can't believe someone built something like that essentially alone in just a few years. It just does too much and it moves too fluidily. For instance watch the video where it stops a run-away Car.

    --
    'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
    1. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Doches · · Score: 2, Funny

      He Quoted Arthur C. Clarke! I Love Him!

    2. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Dh2000 · · Score: 1

      true... the car in the video doesn't even swerve or shake when the bot grabs it... totally fake.

    3. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by sakusha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, remember your conservation of momentum, the bot doesn't move when it grabs the car, it should at least absorb part of the kinetic energy and have to push back, or be pulled along with the car a tiny bit. Consider a similar collision on a smaller scale, what would happen if you tried to halt a guy on a bicycle?
      And notice the bot casts a shadow but the car doesn't. Totally fake. Also notice all these "tests" are done with a locked-down camera, that's a giveaway of a bad CG producer, anyone with real skills would have used a handheld camera and used move matching.

    4. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by nherc · · Score: 1

      I argee with the second part of this... but watch it closely again. It sort of braces itself and right after contact you can actually see it's feet slide in the direction of the cars momentum maybe a foot or two.

      --
      'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
    5. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by sakusha · · Score: 1

      Nah, I don't see it, but it's obvious the CG was done so that axis of motion is away from the camera, which makes any sloppy work harder to detect. Sure the bot bends in the direction of motion of the car, but it looks like it should fall over if its feet weren't bolted down.
      This is the difference between an artist and a CG technician. I remember in art school, we spent many hours studying human anatomy, body posture and motion, so we could make our images more realistic. You can't just do mocap and IK and get it right, it takes an artist to make it look convincing. This CG bot is based on human body mechanics, if he'd have made the bot look nothing like a human, it would be easier to suspend disbelief.

    6. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by EnormousTooth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing I just noticed--the robot's shadow is directly opposite to that of the cones/car.

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      I don't use Emacs; it uses me.
    7. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      After seeing that video I'm shocked anyone on /. actually believes this is real! The thing moves with the greatest of ease, yet it's what, a good 1500-2000 lbs? Give me a break! Remember the Walking Dinosaur At Disney Park? Even with a car sized "basket" of electric equipment and power, with Disney's funding and talent the thing did little more than walk, and it didn't even do that fluidly.

      So now you expect me to believe some guy, alone, built a 1,500 robot that bends over and stops a car as easily as I'd bend over to tie my shoe? Come on guys, you can't be that gullible... actually no, wait... yeah, it's real, and I'm taking orders! Only 10 grand each, 5 grand if you supply your own car or SUV. Must be a new model though, 2000 or better, V8s preferred, leather and DVD navigation a plus, so the robot can have GPS of course. There's a backorder, so please allow... 6 to 18 months for delivery. You can send payment through Paypal to... >;-)

      Where's the Star Trek fans?? Haven't you learned anything from Spock? "An ancestor of mine maintained, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

      So what's more likely:
      A) it's CGI
      B) it's a real 10 foot robot that moves with the grace of a ballerina

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      my karma will be here long after I'm gone
    8. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by clbyjack81 · · Score: 1
      "An ancestor of mine maintained, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

      Truly one of the best quotes from the best Star Trek movie ever made. The Undiscovered Country

      --
      Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant. The population is growing.
    9. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by juhaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where's the Star Trek fans?? Haven't you learned anything from Spock? "An ancestor of mine maintained, that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

      For those of us that live in the this world, not on Enterprise few hundred years into the future, that's first used by Conan Doyles Sherlock Holmes (maybe Spock considers all other fictional characters his ancestors) and is more or less based on Occam's Razor.

    10. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      Yep, remember your conservation of momentum, the bot doesn't move when it grabs the car, it should at least absorb part of the kinetic energy and have to push back, or be pulled along with the car a tiny bit. Consider a similar collision on a smaller scale, what would happen if you tried to halt a guy on a bicycle?
      And notice the bot casts a shadow but the car doesn't. Totally fake. Also notice all these "tests" are done with a locked-down camera, that's a giveaway of a bad CG producer, anyone with real skills would have used a handheld camera and used move matching.


      The bot does move when it grabs the car, what's bothering you appears to be that its feet are not being forced to move as a result of absorbing the force of the travelling car. Why that performance ability should identify this as a CG hoax is beyond me. You also asked us to notice that the car has no shadow. Well I'm sorry, I tried very hard to follow your imperitave but I must confess I failed: I noticed that the car does indeed have shadows. I think you need to spend some time in a room with various objects and *more than one* lightsource and see what kinds of interesting and improbable shadows you can make. Careful though, you might convince yourself your eyes are using CG tricks to fool you and you'll go psychotically insane.

    11. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      "You can't just do mocap and IK and get it right, it takes an artist to make it look convincing"

      Is that so? I always thought that mocap was convincing enough on it's own and that the only thing you need the artist for was cleanup (removing jitter and solving occlussion of marker data and the like). And doesn't IK have little to do with mocap? I thought IK was used for in-game positioning or when you don't have mocap (remembering IK!=bones, but that IK can be /applied/ to bones).

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      -- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
    12. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by rbilli · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, you can see the robot being dragged for a short distance after it 'grabs' the car. However, you can also see the front of the car dip, prior to being grabbed, as the driver applies the brakes sharply to bring the car to rest.

    13. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "For those of us that live in the this world, not on Enterprise few hundred years into the future, that's first used by Conan Doyles Sherlock Holmes "

      Wow, you mean like it says on the linked page? And i'm sure Spock made the quoute more popular than Sherlock Holmes ever did, so does it really matter that Holmes said it first? If you made up a witty joke and told it to a few of your friends, then a famous celebrity said the same joke on TV/Movie a few months later, who's getting credit?

      And since when did someone have to live in a fantasy world on Enterprise to be a fan of the show or remember interesting quotes? I've been known to quote Simpsons too but I don't live in Springfield USA.

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      my karma will be here long after I'm gone
    14. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by morcheeba · · Score: 1

      Yep, I think the dip is the biggest giveaway. After stopping, you see the suspension recover qutie a bit. The guy claimed he didn't use brakes, but the way the robot caught the car there is nothing to push down on the front -- except torque created by braking at the wheels.

    15. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by sakusha · · Score: 1

      Which is why good mocap often comes from artists, specifically, dancers who know which body motions project the most convincing effects.
      AFAIK a lot of mocap is used in conjunction with IK. A good (or in this case, bad) example is Gollum in LOTR. It was done with mocap, but the body proportions were altered, his legs were longer than the mocap actor. So they just used IK and extrapolated the captured motion to longer bones. But if you watch his walking gait, it's unnatural and unconvincing, he lurches around with unnatural motions because the leg motions didn't scale properly. Just because you have longer bones doesn't mean your muscles move any faster, but to match the mocap, they had to speed up the leg motions. It looks like crap.

    16. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by sakusha · · Score: 1

      After repeated viewings, I can see the feet move. But it's still a fake. Multiple light sources can't account for the (relatively) distinct shadow on the bot and extremely diffuse shadows elsewhere. The CG uses a standard "shadow catcher" plane and composited the shadow plane onto the floor.

      You want to believe. Go ahead. This fraud has been debunked so thoroughly, if you want to look like a gullible fool, be my guest.

    17. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      Slow down there speedy, I don't recall saying I believed it. I was taking you to task for spouting 'proofs' that were not evident.

    18. Re:Reply From Builder (Colin Mayhew) by Morpheuso · · Score: 1

      I've found the actor who plays "Colin Mayhew". He is on a British TV series called "Eastenders". http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/charact ers/character_content/character_jim_b.shtml

  58. Mr Mackey Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robots are bad mmmmkay...

    kids you hear me? I said robots are bad mmmkay.

    They can step on you and stuff mmmkay

  59. monster truck shows by nuckin+futs · · Score: 1

    part of the monster truck show is a transformer, and they've been doing it for years. it's not quite as good as the mini, but it's the same concept.

  60. Yes but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Can it dance?

    Robotics 101. It is not a robot unless it can dance.

  61. CG totally by Oriumpor · · Score: 1

    The shadows tell all. FAKE, now why the hell hasn't the article description been modified?

    1. Re:CG totally by ruprechtjones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, this is advertising. Genius, but still just a Mini plug. Check the whois then google the parent company.

      --
      Kip Hawley is an idiot.
  62. Top 10 Reasons to have a 10 Feet Robot by myownkidney · · Score: 1

    10. Your neighbours respect you
    9. Women talk to you, so as to get to know the Robot better.
    8. Doubles the number of friends you have in the world.
    7. It can be programmed to make slashdot first posts
    6. It will protect you when you get a job in India
    5. It can be programmed to seek and spank spammers.
    4. It will take you home when you are too drunk to walk.
    3. It has two friends in Mars
    2. It does your homework
    1. It will become the next governor of California

  63. If you're going to steal a post by KalvinB · · Score: 2, Funny

    at least have the sense to attach it as a reply to a lame attempt at first post at the top.

    Ben

  64. SAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The saddest thing is, one day someone will do something like this for real, and they will now be ignored because of this site's pathetic editorial lameness.

    Live up to the hype /., or F. O.

  65. r50rd.COM ... by nherc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Interestingly, r50rd.COM was also registered this time at NetSol in Jan. '04 by the same David Mayhew who registered the UK domain.

    Just thought I'd share. I must say if it is a hoax... that's some pretty darn nice CG. If real, WOW... give me MY 10ft robot slave already!

    --
    'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
  66. Why the doors? by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

    What could the significance of the Doors be?

    Wouldn't the robot be much more functional (based on the generally known 'Mech specs) without car-doors attached to it's hands?

    Car doors attached to the hands might be useful to give it more credibility as actually having been built "from an automobile". I'm not sure what the value of that could be other than the wow/marketing factor.

    Hmmm, marketing from a car maker maybe...?

    Regardless, I can't help but think that my Aibo could take this thing in a battle royal.

    --
    Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
    1. Re:Why the doors? by azav · · Score: 1

      To get IN silly!

      --
      - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
  67. Bah, this is completely fake. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    It's a little tiny web site, with one picture (and a note that he almost didn't want to show it because it would show his "secrets") and a few videos that are supposedly taken from this robot's head cameras.

    Yea okay.

    I think that if this were legit, there would be more then a little cheezy web page and no other documentation. If the guy really wanted to service the public with his "traffic" bot then he wouldn't be so secretive about it anyways..

    --
    - It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
  68. Inventors Actual WebSite by nherc · · Score: 2, Informative
    Here is what Colin Mayhew's Personal Yahoo! freebie website (in case it goes away again) says, since when I first looked it was out of bandwidth.

    Welcome to the homepage
    of Colin Mayhew
    [picture of our good doctor]
    Welcome. My name is Dr. Colin Mayhew, and you are visitor number

    I'm hoping to make this web site a place where I can share information about myself, my family and my interests.

    I hold a doctorate degree in engineering and worked for 30 years in the UK. Since my retirement, I have spent much of my free time in my laboratory. My other interests include reading, miniature locomotives and applied physics. To see my collection of miniature locomotives, click here. For engineering and applied physics links and downloads, click here.

    Thanks for your interest.

    This site was last updated 01/02/99

    Email: colinMayhewphd@yahoo.co.uk

    [The 2 linked pages are below]
    [Locomotive link, each description has a black and white photo]

    Pictures back to home

    Scene at Greywood North terminal (circa. 1951) before the departure of the 3.10pm 'special' (locomotive on left of picture). This is a K5 (2-6-0) class loco. On right is an 'Immingham' class (4-6-0) loco owned by a drummer in a local pop group at the time.

    My father (wearing his Canadian Pacific Railway hat) is sitting on the edge of the turntable pit in front of the purpose built engine shed. The engine on the far left is a 'Sterling' class single (2-2-2), Dad's hand is resting on the Immingham loco as shown in pic. 1.

    This is me driving my own loco 'Eureka' which is a Pacific class (4-6-2) over the mere bridge viaduct. Riding in the train behind is my sister Jane and school buddy Charles. Noral were the company which supplied all the 'Dural' aluminium alloy railway track for the GCR.

    A K5 loco on the turntable in steam and ready to go.

    A friend with my loco Eureka on the turntable.

    This is me (age about 8) steaming up my own engine. I dont know who the little enthusiast is on the left - he is probably Chairman of a London bank by now!

    My father is sitting on Eureka on the turntable ready to go. In the background is another engine owner, 'Woody' who was a veterinary surgeon; he is leaning over his own locomotive - another Pacific class 4-6-2.

    This is the skeleton tunnel or flyover with Eureka on the top level. The railway was sold in 1962 after my father's death and was reconstructed on a nearby farm estate.
    Underneath the flyover is the Royal Scot class (4-6-2) driven.

    This site was last updated 01/02/99
    Email: colinMayhewphd@yahoo.co.uk

    [Physics and downloads link]

    Links back to home

    History of quantum mechanics. Nicely details Kirchoff's theorem of blackbody radiation.

    Journal of Artificial Intelligence Research (JAIR).

    Institute of Nanotechnology. Excellent venue to keep up on current events.

    I highly recommend this abstact to anyone working on computing the area and centroid of multiple intensity-coded objects. Click here to download.
    [links from above]
    http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/H istTopic s/The_Quantum_age_begins.html
    http://www.cs.washi ngton.edu/research/jair/home.ht ml
    http://www.nano.org.uk/
    http://uk.geocities.c om/colinmayhewphd/brajovic_vl adimir_2001_1.pdf
    This site was last updated 01/02/99
    Email: colinMayhewphd@yahoo.co.uk

    Someone spent a decent amount of time on this if fake.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: The last update of this site is in 1999 if that is to be believed. I suppose it's either the real last modified date along with a real Doc Mayhew or it is another part of the hoax. Thoughts?
    --
    'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
  69. Mods, this is not a redundant post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check the timestamp... it was one of the first 20 posts on the subject. Mod down one of the other posts that just copied its content instead.

    1. Re:Mods, this is not a redundant post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind.

  70. Re:And the final proof by VikingBrad · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Mini are about to introduce the Mini Convertible so can you guess what the ad campaign is going to be?

    Free advertising here on Slashdot.

    Cheers
    VikingBrad

  71. Created With FrontPage 3! That's about right... by nherc · · Score: 1

    I don't mean to reply to myself, but the site looks to be coded in Frontpage 3 when looking at the source. That sounds about right for this time frame. Again, either a very detailed hoax or a damn cool robot and a very smart guy.

    --
    'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
    1. Re:Created With FrontPage 3! That's about right... by nherc · · Score: 1

      Last one... hehehe.

      The name of the photo with the text next to it saying "Welcome to the Homepage of Colin Mayhew" is "dave.jpg"

      Also, interestingly the two domains found for r50rd.* (co.uk and com) are registered to a "David Mayhew".

      Not necessarily proof either way... but another odd inconsistancy.

      Oh, and the two subpages were made with Frontpage5, not 3 as the main page is (or at least what it says in the HTML). But, that's still right when FP5 became available.

      --
      'He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher... or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.' - Douglas Adams
  72. Unsympathetic moderators by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Redundant?
    "The Only Druid"'s post has the same time as "TapTapTheChisler"'s, and the post number is only one higher; i.e., they were posted at nearly the same time.
    How could he/she have possibly known about the other post?
    Give the guy/gal a break.
    Metamods mod the "Redundant" mod unfair.

    --
    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  73. Karma whore by Frambooz · · Score: 1

    Is there no karma whore willing to sacrifice a bit of their soul for a link to a friggin mirror!?

    --
    No encryption can withstand the power of the Lucky Guess.
  74. Updated version by cgenman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the personal website of the author has a cleaned up, and significantly larger, version available here.

    1. Re:Updated version by rasafras · · Score: 1

      Good call on that. I'd mod you up, but... well... yeah.

  75. Perhaps they are trying to copy Pato Fu? by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    http://webhome.idirect.com/~tk421/music.htm

    I saw this cool ass music video by Pato Fu on WorldLink TV, "Made in Japan" and this cooper thing reminds me of it. This is a damn cool video, tune to linktv and see it sometime.

  76. Now all we have to do... by physicsboy500 · · Score: 1

    Is load it up with guns and get paid for ridding the world of house liao's forces!

    --
    The original generic sig.
  77. Must be French! by RobK · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Must be a French hosting company...

    1. Re:Must be French! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes. Because if it was American it would've shot all it's allies...

  78. Let's look at the facts.... by mark-t · · Score: 1
    He either wants this to be widely known about or not. If he doesn't want it to be widely known about, he wouldn't have set up a website about it. So he must want a lot of people to know about it. But yet he is disturbingly secretive about how, exactly, this device does what he claims it does.

    The only reason he would have for not wanting any secrets about its operation to get out is if he was intending to apply for a patent, but hadn't yet. Once the patent application is filed, he's in the clear... he's free (and in fact obligated) to show anyone how it works because he's the holder of patent.

    Now if he had this device actually working already, I can't think of a single reason that he wouldn't have applied for a patent before even *TRYING* to find some investors, let alone actually advertising its capabilities on a publically viewable website. A person with the resources to build something like this in the first place definitely has the resources to go through the hassle of filing for and obtaining a patent without any outside help.

    Conclusion? The robot is fake. If it were real, he would have no reason to be as secretive about how it works while simultaneously having set up a web site that practically advertises the darn thing.

    1. Re:Let's look at the facts.... by inertia187 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, it looks fake. But if it's fake, then it's probably an advertisement. If it's an advertisement, why didn't it hold up to the slashdot effect more ... effectively? If it were real, then the site going down is a realistic outcome.

      Maybe they just didn't account for the slashdot effect, or had no idea what it was. Or maybe they knew and expected it, and knew that if they survived, it would lend less credibility.

      If it is CG, it's the most realistic CG I've ever seen. So are they advertising the CG or the car? If they're advertising the CG, they've really got something, and a small starving CG company would have trouble standing up to the slashdot effect.

      Anyway, that's my $0.02.

      --
      A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
    2. Re:Let's look at the facts.... by protohiro1 · · Score: 1

      Black ops marketing...you don't put it on your real server. You make it look real. You hope people stumble across it and talk about it. The people that come up with it don't read slashdot...

      --
      Sig removed because it was obnoxious
  79. Actually, the old ones were even more godlike. by Chrontius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gah, you gotta be kidding me. Back when I was playing MW2: Mercenaries, the most godlike mech I ever used was a DC Urbanmech named Lucifer. (yes, the beer-keg on legs)

    It had maxed out jump-jets, twelve medium lasers, and maxed heat sinks. Its only other weapon was a machinegun in the head with one ton of ammo, for taking out Elementals and such.

    All the lasers were in either the left or right torso, where those arms would shield all of the hits. All the beams would fire at the same time, and hit the same place.

    There is nothing like oneshotting an Atlas. Period. Especially when you horizontal-jet in a la Gundam to do so with a glorified beam-saber.

    And being in an UrbanMech, I was always ignored until big things started dying.

    Don't tell me that it was cheap, I know it was.

    (12*6=72 damage, way more than any PPC)

    1. Re:Actually, the old ones were even more godlike. by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Holy crap, TWELVE med lasers?

      --I remember having a lot of fun playing Merc's predecessor, MW2: Ghost Bear's Legacy. That one had a type of Streak SRM "Inferno" missile that would set an enemy mech on FIRE. Group about 3-6 of those and fire all at once - the enemy mech would **shut down** due to overheating; you could either wait for it to explode, keep firing until it blew up, or pick off one of its legs and leave it standing there while you hunted down another (idling) enemy party that wasn't on the active radar yet.

      --Good times, good times.

      --
      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  80. Re:Let's look at the facts.... Attracting Capital by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1
    Maybe this publicity is "just a taste" to attract venture capital.

    The thing does have a "publicity stunt" look to it, however. What's with the tires?

    --
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
  81. CGI, I'm with those guys by Chr1s-Cr0ss · · Score: 1

    yeah, I'm gonna have to go with those guys shouting "CGI!!!"

    It doesnt seem like the joints on the hips would be capable of supporting the weight of a Cooper Mini.
    Also, somebody up there mentioned those door panels on his arms, wtf is up with those? How is it supposed to be able to pick anything up?
    I haven't been able to view the /.ed movies, but the image just screams "fake!!! CGI!!! Somebody made me on a computer!!!"

    Oh yeah, and the way he talks about the coopers being "overbuilt, and suitable for robotic applications" sounds like a quote from a moonlighting marketguru

    --

    68.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
  82. Transformer toy? by Animats · · Score: 1
    This thing looks like a photo of a plastic model composited with another scene. Can anybody identify the transformer toy?

    It's not even a good design. Notice that locations which need big actuators, like hip joints, show no sign of them.

    It's quite possible to build a legged robot out of auto parts. Mark Pauline of SRL built a 12-foot high walking quadruped in the 1980s. I've seen it work, and have visited his shop. Nice piece of work. The control system was all time-delay relays and R/C gear. No computers.

  83. Obviously... by Whelzorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think about this: It took Honda years, and millions of dollars to create the ASIMO robot, which does nothing compared to what this one did stopping the car, and unscrewing the bolt from the wheel (robot arm dexterity test). ASIMO was also created by a huge team of mechanics, scientists, and programmers. This guy actually wants us to believe that he 1. built the thing, 2. programmed all the fast, complex motions, and 3. built it out of a cooper? bullshit. I dont even think that with the weight of the car applied to the motors the thing was using, that they could have as much torque and speed as they did. This may have been more believable if he made a more official looking website, and faked some press activity. I mean if it were real, this would have been all over the news by now, doing demonstrations and everything.

    1. Re:Obviously... by kai5263499 · · Score: 1

      I just opened up the stop test (see other poster for link) and slowed down the whole movie to check frame consistancy.
      It's very subtle but the biggest give-away I saw (other than the car's shadow being opposite of the robot's) was that the tire on the robot's right-shoulder "floats" along with the robot (between the 2 and 3 second mark).

      Just another reason this is a fake.

      --
      -Wes
    2. Re:Obviously... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, though, his wife is an "analog power circuit guru" who was also responsible for most of the "middleware". I guess that's the software in the robot's midsection, as opposed to the "footware" in the lower extremities.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  84. mirror by xWh3lPx · · Score: 5, Informative

    managed to mirror it here.

  85. We need licenses, give us licenses! by incabulos · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one visualising this thing gaining sentience through a errant electrical storm, and then deciding to crash through the walls of a certain Lindon, Utah compound? Its well known that all artificial creatures invariably turn to evil and decide to kill their creators, ala Frankenstein.

    Pleasant dreams Darl!

    1. Re:We need licenses, give us licenses! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes! Could it be a ... "Short Circuit"?!!! Need IIIIINPUT! -- Johnny Five.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  86. Mini Gundam/Transformer! It's good to be alive! by pegasustonans · · Score: 1

    Alright, now all we need is a VF-1!

    --
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. --Will
  87. And for another backyard project... by GSVNoFixedAbode · · Score: 1
    --
    "I am Heisenborg. You will probably be assimilated"
  88. Stealth Marketing directed at Slashdot by tekrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have you guys heard of "Stealth Marketing"? 60 Minutes covered it a few months back, but basically, imagine this scenario.

    You're walking down times square, and a pretty couple with exotic accents, who look and act like tourists asks you to take their photo. They hand you their digital camera. You notice it's one you've never seen or heard of before, so you snap the photo, and then ask about it, and they proceed to tell you how cool this camera is.

    You've just been 'Stealth Marketed' -- the tourists are fake, actors hired to stand in Times Square asking people to take their photo.

    You're sitting in Starbucks and you see a guy playing a cool game on his laptop. Pretty soon, he's letting you try the game and you're hooked. Turns out he's also an actor hired to sit in the coffee shop and get people to try the game.

    This looks to me like a Stealth Marketing campaign diliberately directed at the Slashdot crowd. Note the post came from "SomeRobotGuy", who, I'll bet, is also in on this gag.

    The server was supposed to get slashdotted to hell and not work properly, as that lends an air of credibility to the hack.

    You're all part of a campaign directed at people like us who read Slashdot, ArsTechnica, HardOCP, and Wired. Chances are this site will make the rounds on all the hardcore tech sites, and if it makes a few people consider buying a Mini-Cooper, then the Stealth Marketing guys have done their job.

    Believe me, this won't be the last time you're "hacked" by Marketing types who are getting more clever about how to direct an advertising campaign at you without you even realising you're being advertised to.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
    1. Re:Stealth Marketing directed at Slashdot by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, sure ... let's try to fake out five or ten thousand people from all walks of the scientific, engineering and software development communities. About as much chance of pulling that off as the nitrocellulose dog has of catching an asbestos cat in Hell.

      I mean, we're supposed to believe that his wife, all by herself, wrote AI and pattern-recognition software that's years ahead of the current state-of-the-art? On six off-the-shelf PCs? I don't think so, even if she is some kind of genius or something.

      And I don't think the site was Slashdotted. If it was, it would be completely toast. Instead, it seems like the same links don't work no matter how many times you click them, and others always do. Looks like they were trying to simulate the Slashdot Effect.

      On the other hand, I would love this to be true. I've been waiting my entire life to see something like a real robot. I'm probably not alone in that. Perhaps the perpetrators of this scheme were hoping to play off of wishful thinking.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  89. Fake or not, this inspires me... by core+plexus · · Score: 1
    For a long time I have had this idea of reducing the single biggest cost to our production, labor. Don't get me wrong, it has been a tough row to hoe, between providing high-paying jobs and making the mine work by somehow cutting costs. Because in mining, that is the only option, since one can rarely charge more than the spot price of the product (gold nuggets and specimens are the exception). So, if it costs us $270 to produce and sell an ounce of gold, and it is selling for $390, we only make $120/ounce. Since we are a small, family-owned mine, our costs are significantly higher. Despite that, I have designed and built a very efficient operation, and have managed to increase the efficiency of our operation so that 2 people can effectively run it, but that is still a $120,000+ cost per season. And robots never have to spend a few days in town, or pee, or smoke a cig, or pocket a $2,000 gold nugget, etc.

    If anyone reading this is serious about an opportunity to integrate automation into a new field (excuse the unintended pun) contact me. I also have a similar idea for the collection of geophysical data. This is truly a wide open area.

    -cp-

    Alaska Bugs Sweat Gold Nuggets

  90. Yet another flaw by amcox · · Score: 1

    Plus, the car's front end dips, just like happens when you break, before the robot even touches the car.

  91. dream. by linhux · · Score: 1

    Totally unrelated, but the weirdest thing is that I dreamt about riding around in a Mini Cooper with a crazy cab driver that eventually took us climbing down a mountain to a smoky english pub for some dinner. It was very surreal.

    1. Re:dream. by RichardX · · Score: 1

      That wasn't a dream. It was a most splendid meal, you you really didn't embarrass yourself much at all considering how much you drank..

      --
      Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
  92. Re: The text of the article.. by sam1am · · Score: 1
    Not to mention the text of the article...
    A unique 4-way microphone system in the head gives directional input. There are two microphones in the torso used as inputs for noise cancellation software.
    Amongst various other issues - wouldn't the noise from people talking to it be better at the torso-level than the head, if this thing is really 10 feet tall?
  93. Isn't it amazing? by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You hear all kinds of noises in those videos, but none at all from its footsteps.

    A 1500 lb anything is not going to be particularly quiet when it's moving... heck, I have a cat that makes more noise than that thing does.

    This is about as real as a 9 dollar bill.

    1. Re:Isn't it amazing? by vivin · · Score: 2, Funny

      What?! Are you telling me my 9 dollar bill is not real?

      --
      Vivin Suresh Paliath
      http://vivin.net

      I like
  94. ...this smells like a fake to me... by omarin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I love robots, but after looking at the site & the videos my "bullshit" meter went off:
    1. The 2nd line of the page says "User logged in, proceed." This seems out of place on a technical guy's webpage, as if it were put there for the nontechnical/credulous to think "oh, computerese, must be technical and real"...
    2. The robot makes me think of CG in several scenes.
    3. If this robot is so fabulous, why haven't we heard anything before now? (Where are the drooling reporters to report on this neat news story?)
    4. I find it hard to believe that one guy and his ball-and-chain could do work of the caliber (and cost) comparable to MIT or Honda's Asimo bipedal robot...
    5. Occam's Internet bullshit razor: if it's too good to be true, and it's on the internet, it's probably bullshit

    Of course, I'd love to be wrong (I hope I am, I'd love to see such a robot out and about working), but until we get some independent, trustworthy verification I'll take this cum grano salis (...with a grain of salt.)
  95. Nail in the coffin of it... by Vthornheart · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Okay, check this one out: http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin /videos/light_test.htm


    The difference in shadow casting between the two objects, when they are both at roughly the same location, is so dramatic that it could not possibly be anything but a hoax.


    I had a really long post that I was going to type about disproving the "robot stopping the jeep" through some ideal physics calculations, but my computer locked up on me (and I was lacking an initial velocity value for the Jeep). However, if anyone's a Physics guru and wants to give it a go, I compiled some initial data for it:


    Weight of Jeep: ~1800kg.


    Weight of Robot (assuming it's still about the same weight as the car it was made from): ~1483kg.


    Coefficient of Friction for Car on pavement: .8


    Coefficient of Friction for robot on pavement: ???
    (Anyone know the M
    Time before stop: ~1.5sec


    So what we'd really need is the coeff. of Kinetic Friction for metal on pavement, the initial velocity of the Jeep, and... can't think of anything else. We could then figure out the force, under ideal conditions, that the robot must have been under. My wager is that the force would be significant. But the light difference, as shown in the video linked to above, is proof enough I think. I'll believe the Robot story when I physically touch the thing.

    --
    -Vendal Thornheart
    1. Re:Nail in the coffin of it... by mark-t · · Score: 1
      If this was a full motion video and not slow motion or accellerated video then I would guess that the automobile was moving at somewhere between 30 and 40 km/h before it slowed down.

      The coefficient of friction between dry concrete and steel is 0.45.

      So.... what's the answer?

    2. Re:Nail in the coffin of it... by Vthornheart · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Ah, excellent! Lemme do some calculating... We'll estimate that it was on the average of the two values you gave, so let's say that the velocity was 35kph, or 9.7m/s.

      (Walks downstairs to get his Physics textbook)

      Okay... What we have here is an interaction between two rigid bodies. (Hmm, I went back to watch the video one more time before doing the calculations... seems the page doesn't exist any more... fascinating...) Anyways, from the point of impact the car seemed to move about a car length (about 4.7 meters) in about 1.5 seconds.

      4.7m = 9.7m/s*1.5s + 1/2(a)(1.5s^2)

      That gives us, after some brief calculation, a net acceleration of -8.75m/s^2 for the length of the impact.

      Let's examine the forces at work on the Jeep at the time of impact: -mg (gravity) and mg (the normal force) in the vertical direction; F(robot) and F(kinetic) in the horizontal direction.

      Each of these can be used to determine the F(robot). First, we must find the force of gravity so that we can find the Normal Force. F(g) = mg = 1818kg * (-9.8m/s^2) = -17816N. Utilizing that, we can determine the normal force: F(N) = 17816N.

      Excellent, now we can get the F(kin). F(kin) = -Mu * F(N) = .015 * 17816N = -268N... Note that I'm using .015 as the coefficient now, because I just realized that I should be using the "rolling friction" and not simple dragging "kinetic friction".

      Now, let's find out what the Fnet should be for the X direction. Fnet = ma = 1818kg * -8.75m/s^2 = -15908N. Now, Fnet in the X direction also equals F(robot) + F(kin).

      -15908N = F(robot) - 268N. Therefore F(robot) = 15640N.

      Okay, so the force of the Robot on the Car is -15640N, and Netwon's laws dictate that an equal but opposite force must be on the robot by the car. Therefore the force on the Robot's hand as he attempts to stop the car is 15640N.

      Now let us examine, as a comparative force, if the car was instead dropped on the robot from directly above. Fnet then = ma = 1818 * -9.8m/s^2 = -17816.4N, relatively close in force to the force being applied on the robot's hand.

      I'm fairly new to utilizing physics (I'm taking a class right now =) ), and as such I don't know how to calculate things like the bending or breaking of metal and such, so I'm using a thought experiment now. It's reasonable to believe that if the car was dropped on the robot, the robot would likely be (at least partially) crushed. Since almost the same amount of force occurs against the robot trying to stop the car, some sort of deformation should be taking place.

      Anyone who does know the calculations that I don't can feel free to step in here and give us a more accurate value for this stuff... I also feel that the friction of the robot on the pavement plays some part in it, but I'm having a hard time seeing it any further, so I'm going to leave it at this thought experiment until someone with a greater knowledge of Physics can run with the problem from here.

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      -Vendal Thornheart
  96. Battle against Evil and Second Rate Automobiles by vivin · · Score: 1

    The RX-8 Transformer

    "His physical prowess and confident attitude ensure his place at the forefront in the battle against evil and second rate automobiles"

    What do the autobots think second-rate automobiles are?

    --
    Vivin Suresh Paliath
    http://vivin.net

    I like
  97. Stop this in its TRACKS! by spun · · Score: 1

    Some 186 posts into the game, we have quite a bit of scepticism here. The website being registered to an ad agency, the poor quality lighting and physics in the (obviously) CG movies, and the fake slashdot effect have all been noted.

    However (and I hope the editors read this) many of the readers of slashdot do not read the comments. That includes journalists looking to slashdot for scoops. Please stop this in its tracks. Post a correction on the front page.

    Oh no. You're in on it aren't you? How much did they pay you? Well, we all have to earn a living somehow.

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    1. Re:Stop this in its TRACKS! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Um ... did you have an actual point?

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  98. Scaling laws by Bender_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Simple scaling laws that should be known by any engineer tell why bipeds of that size are not a good idea to begin with.

    With increasing size the time constant of motion changes (froude number) making larger robots inherently slower. Also other laws indicate that the influence of gravition grows larger, make the robot difficult to control and prone to damage.

    There are reasons why nature has not created bipeds of that size.

    1. Re:Scaling laws by c4miles · · Score: 1
      There are reasons why nature has not created bipeds of that size.


      It has.

      They died out, but history is unclear as to whether that was their fault.

      There's a little known movie called "Jurassic Park" where you might be able to see an example.

      HTH.
    2. Re:Scaling laws by Gumshoe · · Score: 1
      There are reasons why nature has not created bipeds of that size.


      Off the top of my head, I can think of a whole group of bipeds that are of around that size or even larger. Whether or not these particular dinosaurs where a good idea or not however, is another question and I don't have the answer.
    3. Re:Scaling laws by maphe · · Score: 0

      You mean something like this?

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    4. Re:Scaling laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are sooooooo right, Bender. Nature never made bipeds that large...as we all know, the 20-foot, 15-ton T-Rex walked on all fours...the real wonder is how those stubby little "shortened forelimbs" supported all that weight.

      Bah!

    5. Re:Scaling laws by _Sexy_Pants_ · · Score: 1

      Wow nice work. The velociraptor, contrary to what we learned in Jurassic Park, was about a meter tall. The Utahraptor was pretty big. Your link even disproves you

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      Look it's a joke about my sig IN MY SIG! LOL!
  99. Deserves its name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a robot that really deserves its name given the lame stories about Robotcop (tiny peace of "please-laugh-at-me" crap) and that strange house-guarding "dragon"-thing (even smaller and not really frightening) lately.

    We all have these dreams about 'Mechs, haven't we?

  100. Mirror by cgenman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another poster has put up a mirror, though nobody seems to have noticed the original comment.

    The mirror is available here.

    The page doesn't load animations properly in Opera, and relies upon Quicktime to display the Mpegs. It might work in Mozilla, but it might not.

    And again, adulations aplenty to xWh3lPx for the mirror.

  101. y'know what would be REALLY cool... by RichardX · · Score: 1

    ... would be if this was real.
    Even just a cursory glance at the site reveals it as a hoax - aside from the obvious (but still quite well done) CG "photos", the stuff this guy is claiming to have achieved on his own is way OTT.

    Look at the time and resources poured into Sony and Honda's bipedal robot projects - this guy is claiming, singlehandedly, to have gone way above and beyond both of those.

    I think most likely this is a rather elaborate advert for mini. Shame. But hey, it's still a cool idea, and maybe someday something like this will be done for real.

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    Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
  102. Re:Geez. -- slashdot could proxy out of pity. by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 1


    Folks who run real sites want the hits, but
    when slashdot (or Google) points at a hobby site,
    they have a responsibility to set up their own site as a caching proxy, and link the proxy, so as not to kill the target. After the rush, switch to a re-direct and
    it will sort itself out over time.

    Of course, that would cost slashdot big bucks,
    and slow down slashdot... on second throught
    lets nuke those hobby sites real good.

  103. Slashdot effect... Free advertising? by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but that site is dead and gone. Taken down by the Internetequivalent of a nuclear overpressure.

    The moral of the story is that if you want to advertise something, don't mention it to any of your techie staff.

    The wrath of slashdot is mighty indeed.

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    Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
  104. Fake Server overload by FromWithin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a bit bizarre that you can't see any webpages, but you can still download the movie files using direct links.

  105. Damn Stealth Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am amazed by the number of /.ers who where sucked in by this. I had one look at the pic on the link and said fake!

    The pic simply look CG. Its probaby the texturing and/or shadows as some have noted further down.

    Even if you did't notice that the crappy CG, why the hell would somebody make a mech/bot out of a mini. Even if you want to use parts from vehicles, you probably cannot use all parts of a single make/model of car. You will probably end up using a engine of one car, some drivetrain parts of another make/model ... so on and soforth... and a hell of a lot of custom parts.

    sheesh.. its common sense.

    -AC

    1. Re:Damn Stealth Marketing by Distortal · · Score: 1

      Agreed - look at the "Battery Test" video - it's pathetically fake.

    2. Re:Damn Stealth Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CG quality seems like it was rendered in LightWave3D. LightWave has great quality rendering that blends in well with stock video. The shadows are off though- which helps give it away. And the lens flares in the "Battery Test" are a dead give away that it was rendered with a 3D program. I've made a flying saucer land in my backyard, I could make a transformer out of a mini too.

    3. Re:Damn Stealth Marketing by unknown51a · · Score: 0

      battery test has been taken off.

      The shadows in stop_test.mpg are really bad, the 'robot's' shadow falss towards the bottom right corner of the screen, yet the other objects have shadows pointing away from the camera (the hangar/warehouse entrance behind the camera), therefore the robot could never be part of that scene.

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      I had an imaginary sig once, he said I was a loser and ran off.
  106. But you gotta admit... by halivar · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it was all a marketing ploy. But fact is, it was prety darn creative, well-executed, and mildly successful. I say hats off to Mini's marketing department. Certainly more entertaining than the "Hot Pockets" jingle on TV.

  107. Cooper Mini by Riff10111 · · Score: 1

    Why is everyone calling it a "Mini Cooper", instead of "Cooper Mini" like the UK originals used to be called? "Cooper" is the name of the guy who designed it -- this is not a smaller version of *him*, and there is no "Normal-Sized Cooper".

    You don't call it an Escort Ford, or a Testarossa Ferrari, so why the hell would you call this a Mini Cooper?

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    "When I smile, I have a mouth full of teeth; when I frown, I'm not even here."
    1. Re:Cooper Mini by BenTheDewpendent · · Score: 1

      Mini is the brand apprently did you read the site? who cares anyways. at least its the brand that it is now and what we recognize it here state side.

    2. Re:Cooper Mini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mini is all that survived of Cooper after several changes of ownership, the "Mini" brand is currently owned by BMW, and I believe the rest of what used to be Cooper is rolled in with Rover, and whoever owns it now. Hence now you have the Mini Cooper, and the Mini Cooper S, with the Cooper and Cooper S being models, and Mini the brand, the reverse of the 60's.

      And this is completely off the original topic, I know...

  108. mod parent up... by caino59 · · Score: 1

    definately something to consider...

  109. Alternator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read anything from Hasbro yet, but this looks like it could be an Alternators Bumblebee. It is yellow, and it does have the little horns. Volkswagen won't license their New Beetle for a new Bumblebee because some kind of anti-weapon stance, so I would think the second choice for a little yellow retro would be the new Mini. Mazda is doing some silmilar marketing with Hasbro and their RX-8

  110. Linus's Law by Rhodnius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised how fast all the flaws with the video were exposed by readers here. How did Linus's Law go again... "With enough eyeballs, all fakery is shallow"...?

  111. ED-209 made by Ford? by inteller · · Score: 1

    ......you have 10 seconds to comply!

  112. Re: Offtoptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, for Christ's sake.
    Scum-sucking moderators.

  113. The point of contact of force by cgenman · · Score: 1

    You forgot one major important thing. The robot is stopping the car by catching the grill of the car initially, then adding a grab to the top of the windscreen.

    If we accept the calculation of deceleration vs gravitation, we see that the full weight of the car is being held for 1.5 seconds on the front grill and the windscreen. And it hardly looks like the robot has any grip on the windscreen. I'd calculate out the per square feet force, but it would be easier to do another thought experiment. Assuming the robot's hand has 2 square feet of coverage, try standing the total weight of the jeep on its front on a cinder block. What would happen?

    All of this is a bit academic as the video is obviously fake for more than just physics reasons. Who would create the most advanced mechanical automation system known to man and glue door panels to the side? Why go to all of the trouble to make the most efficient energy transfer methodology but waste it powering the shoulder wheels? I know he's supposed to be a mad scientist, but how mad do you have to be to stick wheels on your shoulders? For that matter, who cleans this mad scientist's evil lair? For an autorobotics research laboratory, it's spotless.

    1. Re:The point of contact of force by Vthornheart · · Score: 1

      Ah, very true as well! And for that matter, since he seems to be grabbing the windshield with his top hand, I could only imagine that the force being applied at that moment would have to result in the shattering of said windshield.

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      -Vendal Thornheart
    2. Re:The point of contact of force by unknown51a · · Score: 0

      it looks more like the 'robot' is resisting the turning force caused by holding the top and side of the car (the roof rack) and therefore not the windscreen.

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      I had an imaginary sig once, he said I was a loser and ran off.
  114. FYI - Re: Links by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

    I saw the site before it appeared on Slashdot*, and the links were already foobar.

    *having followed links via BoingBoing.net, which I came to from here anyway I think..some dude showing of some "fancy" gadgets..

  115. THIS CRAPPY WEBSITE IS ONLY A FEW MONTHS OLD!!! by Morpheuso · · Score: 1

    1. Go to http://web.archive.org

    2. Use the Wayback Machine to look at
    a) http://uk.geocities.com/colinmayhewphd
    b) http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin /

    And oh what a surprise. Neither website is listed which means they are only a few months old. (The Wayback Machine only caches sites older than "a few months" according to the front page).

    3) Do a whois search on www.r50rd.co.uk and lo and behold we find:

    " Relevant Dates:
    Registered on: 15-Jan-2004
    Renewal Date: 15-Jan-2006"

    So the site is only a few months old for sure. No, I don't think there is a chance that this guy suddenly decided to set up a website and put loads of 4 year old movies and broken links to pictures on it.

    There's no way I'm buying a VW now. I shall tell all my friends not to as well. Don't mess with engineers. Damned arts students.

    Oh, and the guy who did the animation went to Bournemouth University in the UK.
    See http://ncca.bournemouth.ac.uk/newhome/alumni/ba200 2/dmayhew.html for some of David Mayhew's stuff.

    Nice CG dude!

  116. An idea to fix the Slashdot Effect (Off-topic) by GirTheRobot · · Score: 1

    In classic open source fashion...
    I suggest a standalone proggie (or browser java app, mozilla plugin, etc) that downloads/serves Slashdot content and linked pages a-la bittorrent. The more concurrent views an article gets, the faster the download. Slashdot hosts a simple XML file that points to the site as a seed, the first viewers actually hit the site, and subsequently share the content as long as the site is up. No outside content is hosted on Slashdot itself, servers aren't inundated, and Slashdotters get mad fast downloads...

    just my $0.02....

  117. By publishing on the web s/he's given permission by DrMorpheus · · Score: 1
    The only way that a web page can be viewed is by copying it, at the very least, to the RAM contents of your home computer.

    More than likely the page has been copied repeatedly by several machines along the way.

    Since this is the way the Internet works permission to copy is implicitely granted once someone makes the page available on a public server.

    Sorry, but Taco is just blowing shit about copyright issues. I think they just don't want to pay the cost of mirroring. It would cut into the profits and who wants that, right?

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    Debunking the "59 Deceits"