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NRF Calls SCO's Claims 'Meritless'
Xenographic writes "The National Retail Federation has just put out a press release in which their CIO concludes that SCO's IP claims are "meritless," and that Novell is the last company which can show a clear title to the code in question. That SCO's claims are meritless is hardly news to anyone who has been following this, but what is interesting is that the NRF was prompted to release this because of legal threats to their membership, specifically SCO's threats to sue "major retailers." So the businesses being menaced by SCO are banding together, making it that much less likely that SCO will be able to generate easy money from mere threats of litigation. SCO's stock, meanwhile, appears to have taken a small dive from this news. Also, you can find further details and analysis on Groklaw."
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I condone the torture of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.
Does anybody think SCO's claims have any merit other than SCO and their cohorts? Didn't think so.
Come on people.
Happy Trails!
Erick
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SCO's stock, meanwhile, appears to have taken a small dive from this news.
That's strange, because it says the stock is up.
Change: 0.11 (1.79%)
Does it? I know this for a fact - more stuff is swapped in IRC servers and it is IMPOSSIBLE to sue a user for downloading something from a foreign IRC server, especially when it accepts anonymous proxies.
Wouldn't it be funny if when it's found that Novell indeed unquestionably owns the rights to the code, they turn around and pull a SCO on us?
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What code would this be, exactly?
The NRA would step in and 'shoot' down SCO's claims.
This is good news. As a few J. Random's of the internet, we don't stand much of a chance. Large companies like these do stand a chance, and a quite good chance if they team up, like they should.
I wonder how Darl McBride is feeling right now.
--- I hate my sig.
Wow. Amazing that a website made by a paralegal can be taken as gospel. Anyway, Groklaw is probably the top anti-sco site on the net. Do a google for Sco, Groklaw is the #5 hit and it has nothing to do with sco. Man, that's a lot of content based soley on Sco.
"I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
Why isn't it zero? I don't get it.
I don't get these guys. How soulless do you have to be to outright lie about what you own, when you bought it, and the terms of an otherwise perfectly clear license?
Ooops, now SCO will sue me, too.
P.S. If you thought GPL was "viral," listen to SCO sometime: anyone who has ever seen the SysV source code can never work on an OS again, because that makes it a "non-literal derivative." Jeez.
-paul
Pistol caliber is like religion: everyone has their favourite, and theirs is the only right choice.
... for SCOFud in the Business marketplace. It will be interesting to see how the ProSCO spinmeisters will work around this one.
Sure, they can talk about how this is just one organization, but it is a very large business organization, and I really don't think that they can convince the various investment managers that the National Retail Federation is in the practice of calling suits 'meritless' if it's not really clear that the suit is, in fact, meritless on its face.
Bye Bye, SCO
We are the Music Makers, and We are the Dreamers of Dreams...
Ok how many people have to tell SCO to shove it before a judge does? Lemme see:
National Retail Federation
IBM
Linus
Autozone
There are more I am sure, but I mean come on. Noone agrees with SCO (at least I have not heard of anyone). When is a judge just going to toss this crap out of court?
Gorkman
Thinks they're worth a penny a share
(look at the bottom of the 'bid orders' section)
Personally I think that Linux will find it very difficult to survive repeated attacks by the Evil_Corporations(TM) without strong backing from other corporations.
Linux may be untainted and pure ( as I think it is ) but my faith in the US Justice system is wearing thin - might and money wins.
Ironic.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
So, who's the National Retail Foundation and why does their opinion matter?
Just curious.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
... do you like toilet paper?
Don't say it's so!
If SCO doesn't have any more real claims in court, how will we as a society get by?
The last time a major company fell apart, we had to hire Sally Struthers to start up "CEO charity foundations".
We can't have these people walking the streets. Keeping them in upper management positions is the only way to protect the rest of us from serious harm. At least in the boardroom, secluded from the rest of society, they can do the least damage.
52 Weeks, 52 Religions with John Hummel
(from their Mission Statement)
Yikes. One in five American workers and $3.8 trillion in Sales can't be wrong!
Or can they?
No.
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
Almost as if?!? I realize that lawyers include modifiers like that to lessen the chance of successfully actionable lawsuits, but come on. SCO is suing former clients, it's going through money like it's still dot.com days. For the corporation, the ONLY revenue stream is through litigation.
Of course, for the principals, the primary revenue stream is through stock manipulation, shifting assets between Canopy elements and taking everything not explicitly nailed down. But that's personal, not business.
In related news the SCO group lays off 275 to "re-allign" their organization.
With a market cap of around 90 million now, this one has been a real dog for the investors. And this is a company with $65 million in cash in the bank, supposedly - that means the price-to-book ratio is getting mighty low. And their P/E is pushing down towards 20.
For those not familiar with this stuff, that means the premium people were putting on this stock reflecting the possibility of a big (i.e. 5 billion dollar) win against IBM has basically dropped to near-zero. I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole executive team get rotated out soon or something else drastic happen to SCO. The legal battle may drag out for ages, but the market has spoken.
Click me
Why do we care if our boys want to beat on them a little?
Fine by me.
SCO is really scrambling now
Personally I never believe any company is dying until Netcraft confirms it.
I thought I had died, I haven't seen SCO in the news for weeks.
SimonTek
Scientsts have discovered today that water, sustains life. These are just preliminary results, but I think we might be on to something.
Who ever is instrumental for this already got away with the money. They are trying to lick the leftovers from the plate now. The funny thing is somebody lost and its not us(Open Source people), its the people who bought the stock.
One thing is for sure, this whole fiasco made more good publicity to FOSS. More people know about linux and more importantly what open source is.
Besides, the downward trend has been going for some time - they were hovering around $7 last week, now they've dropped a dollar since. So one day's stock variations is not going to make or break somebody in the general sense.
This sig no verb.
Novell. SCO. Canopy.
I don't trust 'em.
Since Novell bought SuSe they are now a Linux distributor and bound by the terms of the GPL. If Novell owns the Unix copyrights (looks like they do from what I read on Groklaw), we're all VERY safe from them attempting to pull an SCO.
Personally, I'd worry more about "submarine" software patents that someone will suddenly complain are being infringed ala PanIP, RAMBUS, et al. You will note how easily IBM was able to find four patents for their counter-suit against SCO.
(You can go back to worrying now)
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
No, no. Not the NRF part. Sure that's significant and interesting and all..
Look at the Groklaw link. It seems to be saying that SCO has dropped all claims that IBM did anything illegal with Linux kernel code. They're only pusrsuing the claim that IBM shouldn't be selling AIX and Dynix anymore (which is a pretty laughable claim, anyway).
Has SCO backed off of all Linux claims?!?
I'll take "No Shit Shirlock" for $2,000, Alex...
(Had to be said ... Burn, Karma, Burn...)
It is not our abilities that show what we truly are... it is our choices.
...and they said to get back to the store. There's some stocking to be done.
For those of you who think it's kind of odd that a CIO is offering what's a legal opinion - yes it it. The NRF is the largest retail lobbying association. But it's all just a small office in DC. (Used to have a larger office in NYC but the biggest retailers didn't like that some of their dues where going to the NY office's mainly educational mission, which was of most worth to small retail members who didn't have their own in-house educational arm. So they staged a coup in the early nineties and moved the focus just to the lobbying branch in DC.)
Anyway, the NRF has a handful of people given the same titles as typical top retail executives, including CIO and VP of this and that. Each of these has about one person reporting to them - the title is more so that when they organize conferences in their areas they'll have equivalent rank to the top attendees. Most of the have actual backgrounds elsewhere in the departments they're posing as head of, but they're all basically retired from that and in a second career with the trade association.
So this is not a lawyer saying this, and not even a real, current CIO. The NRF has on retainer some of the biggest names in American law. Might make you wonder why they didn't have one of them make the statement (although it's a sure bet one of them put these words in the CIO's mouth). All a bit odd....
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
I'm sure none of this was a surprise to anybody. If SCO could only put itsself out of its own misery... I wonder what the outcome of the court cases will do to SCO (pending the judgement we all know is the right one).
Props to GNAA!
In other news... The NRF noticed the sun rose today and expects this trend to continue tommorow.
You think this is a serious reaction to SCO? Feh...forget the NRF's stance on it...I'm waiting for the NRA'S response!
(emphasis added to enhance tonality)
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Go figure!
Help fight continental drift.
In related news, the NRF has released another report explaining that the sky is blue.
I think "dropped" usually means "went down" -- of course, SCOX's stock was actually a little under $4 one year ago, so it's UP over the last year!
This is getting confusing, first retailers and their drone producng corporate atmosphere are the devil one day, then just have them utter some blurb about SCO and now they are Mother Teresa incarnate? You guys need to make up your mind.
SCO has only sold $20,000 in Linux licenses the last quarter. That's a little over 25 licenses. Guess there really isn't much of a line to buy a printed piece of paper that gets you nothing.
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
In my opinion, it is almost as if The SCO Group's business model is to generate a revenue stream through litigation.
Hasn't SCO said this? I don't think it's "opinion" or "almost if". I believe SCO said this, but if they didn't, their invester BayStar certainly did.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Just this morning I was thinking it was time I looked into shorting SCO stock. I missed out.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
The National Retail Federation has members that stand to be sued by SCO if SCO's claims are true. Of course NRF is going to say that SCO's claims are meritless. Like SCO, NRF is looking out for number one!
$_from_members_using_Linux > $_to_fight_SCO
If it were the other way around, the NRF would probably be pushing members to abandon Linux as we speak.
Keeping memebers and avoiding legal battles is all NRF cares about. That's not a bad thing, but it does make them a little biased when evaluating the SCO legal battles.
If you read some more Groklaw, especially here, when the filing first came out, you will see that SCO is still calling the GPL unenforceable, inapplicable, and so on, and IBM still claims that SCO's GPL violations are causing harm. So it will still be an issue in the suit and countersuit.
Specifically (I feel stupid quoting myself, but):
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
And even funnier - if SCO admits that IBM did nothing wrong other than continue to use AIX and Dynix after they "terminated" the licenses (even though IBM says the licenses are perpetual and cannot be terminated), how can they explain to a judge why the licenses were terminated in the first place?
Nothing new here... move along now...
Don't piss off the Feringi federation
Why did you use a google cache? Did you think we would /. yahoo.com?
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The day is now complete we have gotten to bash Microsoft and SCO all in the same day. Oh wait I am forgetting in Soviet Russia..
Oh well, I'm going home anyway.
Not to mention that all stocks dipped slightly when the feds announced the intrest rates woudl remain the same.
SCO's quarter ended last Friday Apr 30.
Any idea when results will be availabe? How wonderfully profitable has SCO's "business" been this past quarter? How many SCOsource licenses did they sell? Did they lose more money than last quarter?
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
This says it all. OWNED!
Props to GNAA!
Don't you mean happy trials? :)
They caved in and dropped Linux support for a database they sell. Is this the first educational institution that has sold out?
Eat Lamb, 1 million coyotes can't be wrong
The significance of the National Retail Federation speaking out against SCOX may be deeper than some realize. One of SCO Unix's core markets (if not the only one) was/is retail point of sale systems. In the 1980s and early 90s, SCO Unix (and its Xenix predecessor) was one of the few choices available to run a POS system on affordable PC hardware. If SCO Unix has any market left, it is the members of the NRF, many of whom have large deployments of SCO Unix throughout their store chains. Who even runs SCO Unix anymore? The answer is these people. The companies in the NRF comprise the SCO Unix core market, and if SCOX plans on continuing to sell software to businesses, it needs them.
But now, these companies, the last customers SCOX has, have turned against them. With their previously existing relationship, SCOX could have been in a good position to sell them Linux, but they have ruined that opportunity now. What tiny market SCO Unix had is gone, and any hope SCOX had of continuing to be a software company just went with it.
On the other hand, their litigation isn't going well either. Better say goodbye, folks, because SCOX is not long for this world.
--Mythos
The market is losing interest in SCOX. It's clear now that there's no big near-term win there.
It's hard to get excited about a press release from a lobbyist from a trade association, especially when it doesn't announce any action. But it's good to have statements like that, because it discourages Congressional action. Recall that SCO was lobbying Congress at one point. With IBM, Damlier-Chrysler, Utah's Novell, Goldman Sachs, and the National Retail Federation against SCO, Congress isn't going to do anything stupid.
The real action is in the SCO vs IBM lawsuit, where SCO is not doing well. SCO has narrowed their copyright claim. SCO had a deadline coming up on the discovery front, where they have to disclose the "infringing code". They're close to the "put up or shut up" point in that case. They've stalled and stalled, but it didn't work. One motion at a time, IBM has whittled away at SCO's claims. The trade secret claim is gone. The copyright claims are steadily shrinking. The claim that the GPL is "unconstitutional" is gone. Meanwhile, IBM's claims against SCO threaten SCO's remaining cash.
My former company bought a unixware license a few months ago.
Just one,
but I suppose it might be enough to keep Darl in 50cent packets of ramen noodles whilst the lawyers divide up their millions in fees.....
For productivity, SCO needs a good lie management software package.
Maybe Microsoft could write them one?
You know what they say about telling lies leads to the need to tell bigger lies. Sheesh, didn't Darl learn that as a kid?
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
Because the thing is that Novell is selling linux, and in fact owns SUSE and Ximian, and as a result are bound by the terms of the GPL.
The neat thing about the GPL is its seemingly foolproof method of making sure everyone plays fair: they make it in everyone's interests to play fair, by making everyone not just borrow from everyone else, but depend on everyone else.
For example, let's say a company releases a piece of software under the GPL, then the next day decides to recant and announces that no, we changed our mind, it wasn't GPLed after all. If the company never sold anyone a copy, just put it up for download on a website, well then, who's to disagree with them? If someone had given them money for it that could be construed as having some sort of contractual validity, and the license that they included when they originally distributed the license irrevocable. But if it was just a free download, and the license included with the download as a written offer... well that's kind of fuzzier, isn't it? It would seem the company couldn't "go back" on their license offer, but the company could claim all kinds of things. They could claim the release was "unauthorized", or not intended for public release outside the company, or there were mitigating copyright and contractual cirucmstances the company was not aware of at the time doctrine of mutual mistake blah blah blah. And if this were the BSD license, that's where things would end.
But the GPL, among doing other things, adds an interesting wrinkle to things by legally intertwining to a certain extent everyone who cooperates using it. If someone releases some code they own under the GPL, they still own it and can do whatever they like with that code outside the context of the GPLed product However if someone is distributing or redistributing a product containing someone else's GPL code-- anyone's-- then they suddenly find themselves with a small and reasonable, but important, set of obligations.
So, here's another hypothetical example. Let's say Novell announces they own lines 5000-5435 of the linux kernel; that those lines were stolen from NetWare by a disgruntled employee who then submitted them to Linux as his own work at some point; that they have indisputable proof of this; and they further announce that anyone who wants to sell linux owes them $699 a copy for Novell's 435 lines of code there.
The problem here is that they can't do that; the instant Novell points out those 435 lines of code are unlicensed, distributing Linux becomes illegal, period. The reason for this is that the GPL says that in order to distribute under the GPL, you must be able to offer to anyone who you distribute it to an unlimited GPL license themselves, which includes the right to freely redistribute and modify. If you don't have the rights to distribute Linux under the GPL, you certainly don't have the right to distribute Linux by any other mechanism. And if you have to pay $699 to distribute the Linux kernel, then you don't have the right to distribute it under the GPL. The rest of Linux, everything except those 435 lines, is still GPLed and freely distributable; but the whole package, or any package that contains those 435 non-Free lines linked against GPL code, is something nobody-- including Novell-- has the right to distribute at all until those lines are removed or replaced.
So, Novell currently lacks the ability to attack Linux in this fashion without losing the right to sell Linux in the process-- which would be a major problem for them since they currently have a decent amount riding on their Linux-based products. And the really fun thing is, if Novell does as SCO did after raising their apparently fraudulent claims against Linux, and continues to distribute Linux even after they make the public claim that they own code in Linux that they never gave Linux a license to, then one of
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
It's good to see the retailers to tell SCO to put it where the sun don't shine.
On affordable hardware?
When I first saw this article, I thought SCO were trying to sue the NRA.
As someone who's last name is pronounced as "Nellie" (spelled Nelle in real life) I get kidded once in a while about the "Nervous Nellie" bit.
Funny story: My wife and I were sitting in a Sunday School class being taught by the Pastor's wife. She was making a point about how to watch your words and said "Now, don't be a nervous nellie about this." I looked over to my wife, gave her a shrug of my shoulders and a half smile in apology. When some of the people in the class started chuckling, the Pastor's wife realized her faux pax, and said "I don't mean the Nelle's."
We now return you to the topic of the fall of the house of SCO.
...if SCO won the lawsuit and officially "owned" Linux. If only to see the rebellion the Slashdotters would throw against them. ...I've always liked CalderaDOS.
Personally, you are a steaming load.
There is, however, nothing new about war time atrocities. The only difference, these days, is that they cannot be as easily covered up and hidden.
To wit: my old man served in Korea. When he got out, he burned his uniform. Here's one reason why. His commander gave him a pistol and a POW, and told him to take the POW beyond some hill and shoot him. My old man took the POW, shot the gun in the air, and told the POW to scram.
Scenes like that, and like we're hearing about, are a natural result of war, and are natural in war. If we don't want to see American soldiers doing this kind of stuff, the only option is to stop being the world's cop, and bring American troops home. Until that happens, however, the world will see more and more atrocities, will blame America more and more, and America and Americans will be hated more and more.
Mod down people who tell people how to mod in their sigs
But when the alternative is MS - with a pretty similar record for EULAS and draconian IP efforts - SCO is a bit like noise.
AIK
I was referring more to the kind of clout an organization like this has, than their truth-handling ability.
When this sluggish market-force monster rears its ugly head and blasts SCO with this strength, there is even less chance that any white knight will come to the rescue of SCO (the princess in the tower? nah, the warty witch).
SCO should have let this sleeping dragon lie.
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
"meritless". In a later announcement, they announced that today is Wednesday.
- Caused major corporates like IBM and HP to assess how important FOSS is to them, and act accordingly
- Probably influenced the acquisition of SuSE by Novell, and helped commercialise Linux
- Raised the profile of Linux in the world at large, by making business analysts realise there is something here that people will fight over
- Probably speeded up improvements in the FOSS creation process, helping to ensure that its IP status is robust
- Made a heroine of PJ
- Given the entire IT industry a new hate figure to mold in wax and stick pins in, doubtless helping Bill G sleep better at nights of the full moon
- Enriched several poor and deserving attorneys and helped to ensure that neither DaimlerChrysler nor Porsche have too many layoffs
- Further educated some of the people who thought they understood the stock market
Darl McB deserves some sort of award for all this. With his remarkable combination of tact, diplomacy and tireless negotation, he should at least be made Ambassador to Iraq.Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
Strong sell.
Analyst Opinion of SCOX.
Non illegemati carborundum est!
I had a stock certificate for four shares of Wang Laboratories, Inc. stock which had a "par value" of $0.50 per share, and thus would have been worth $2.00 except that I would have had to file some paperwork when Wang went chapter 11 and was briefly reorganized... ...but I was able to sell it to a scripophily dealer for $10.
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The SCO Group claims that they hold the copyright to Unix and believes that retailers who use Linux violate SCO's copyright.
If I understand this properly, using a product such as Linux isn't violating a copyright. IF (and that's a BIG IF) SCO is correct, how can they sue these companies for use of a product they are NOT selling? Copyright laws basically define who can provide copies of a product. If you are using a product provided by a manufacturer (say RedHat or SuSE), then you are not responsible for their product and what the manufacturer put into it.
If I read a newspaper article and it contained copyrighted material, am I responsible and liable to being sued? Not a chance. That's not how the law works.
SCO can sue until they are bankrupt. They will not survive their own lunacy.
Has Comcast disconnected your Internet account? Same here. You can read about it at http://comcastissue.blogspot.com
wrong indentation style.
Right now SCO's stock is up .20 over yesterday's close. But we have another 1.5 hours till the NYSE closes.
I am happy to report that I just today switched over to a server that is not tainted by an SCO license. I was really glad to ditch the one hosted by a certain provider in Texas who caved in to SCO's bluster a few months back.
It was down that low before the news. Investors were beginning to notice the "painting" and other often illegal stock manipulation tactics that were being used to keep SCOX sailing. Royce is one of the prime suspects behind the stock manipulation, having invested $30 million dollars in SCOX through Baystar, and gradually increasing their investment by a small few thousand shares at a time, around the open and close of the market, when most of the suspected "painting" has occurred. The SCOX price always went UP on bad news, an almost sure sign of illegal stock manipulation. Another thing that was keeping the SCOX price up was a $45 price target set by "analyst" Brian Skiba. That price target was recently pulled, leaving only a more realistic, albiet still high $5 price target on the SCOX summary pages of most financial sites.
Today, SCOX price has risen slightly again, on a day when their perceived value should have dropped due to bad news. I have no doubt that the stock manipulation is still going on.
Note: This is all stuff I've read in the Yahoo! SCOX forum, nothing I deserve credit for researching myself.
all those claims? the people who bought licenses? surely, that was revenue also?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
There are already Point Of Sale systems for Linux, and with the announcement of the IBM Retail Environment for SuSE Linux, that will give retailers more assurance that it's safe to use Linux.
With heavy pressure on current clients. Next step: send some muscle over to "take care of things." Hey Vito, got a job for ya...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
If laying of a "few" people can turn SCO "profitable", man, that's one sad company. I think the most interesting part will be to see exactly what departments got the ax. We all know they don't need any programmers there anymore except as "token", as in "See, we still have a technical staff" bullshit.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Raise your hand if you give a flaming fuck about SCO because you think it'll change the legitimacy of Linux as a viable business platform?
Alright... raise your hand if you're just like watchin SCO squirm, and you just wanna kick it a bit.
Riiiiight.
News for Nerds, Stuff for Schadenfreude.
It is official; Netcraft confirms: SCO is dying.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered SCO community when Groklaw confirmed that the Unixware market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that SCO has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. SCO is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by a plummeting stock price and increasingly desperate press releases.
You don't need to be a PJ to predict SCO's future...
(You can fill in the rest yourself.)
It's not "nervous nellies", it's suckers. There is one born every minute. Just because somebody is a CIO that does not mean they are not suckers. In fact my anecdotal evidence suggests that a greter percentage of CIOs are suckers compared to the general populace.
evil is as evil does
They are not 'Meritless'.
They are 'Not even meritless'.
Please someone explain to me this part of their website?
NATIONAL RETAIL FEDERATION
THE VOICE OF RETAIL WORLDWIDE
Shouldn't that be The Voice of Retail Nationwide?
Maybe The Voice of American Retail Worldwide?
While I am pleased that they agree that SCO is full of monkey muffins I would be more pleased if their Motto/Slogan was logical.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
...where "few" can be interpreted quite literally...
it's sooo fancy this days to claim SCO are bad ... i mean how else you could make hordes of /.ters fall in love with you?
... i wonder why /. is not mentioning them!?
btw, i heard the biggest "walrus hunters association" also found SCO to be really bad
"There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Personally I never believe any company is dying until Netcraft confirms it.
:]
Will this do?
The pigeons thought it looked good there, of course.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
Wasn't the reason that SCO announced the termination of this to do with other infringements? Surely, without those other infringements, they can't terminate it?
I won't be at all surprised to see this case thrown out with prejudice (is that the right term). SCO will probably collapse, or IBM et al will just take them apart.
I don't know what is more ludicris, the fact that you took the time to write an anidote about an incident at church, or that you go to church. What is this, reader's digest?
What is this, reader's digest?
ludicris? anidote?
It would certainly pay *you* to increase *your* word power...
I think this graphic pretty much sums up the story despite the best efforts of a few corrupt investment brokers and lawyers.
WHen the stories about SCO first appeared here, we said anybody who worked for SCO would be marked and never hired again.
Well... GUESS WHAT.
It wasn't malice. Its common sense. Those guys are marked. Not by the rest of the world, but by SCO. SCO sues their customers and their partners. The only people who are safe are the ones who have never dealt with SCO.
That's not my desire, I wish it wasn't, but its a fact now.
As to daily fluctuations, studies going back nearly half a century show that short-term movements can be explained as well by the Random Walk theory as anything else.
To see what "The Street" really thinks about SCOX, take a look at the 3-month, 6-month, and 1-year price history.
You can't spell "fiasco" without "SCO"
I have gas, but my car uses petrol.
naturally would buy 80085 shares or if the money was right 800713,5
There are no atheists when recovering from tape backup.
Zacks.com Announces That Mike Chrisman Highlights the Following Stocks: IPIX Corporation and SCO Group
Has SCO backed off of all Linux claims?!?
... This newly added counterclaim raises issues separate and apart from the primary breach of contract and other direct claims and counterclaims in this case. Given this fact, and to avoid multiple suits determining substantially similar issues, tis Court should decline to exercise jurisdicition over and dismiss Counterclaim Ten. In the alternative, jCounterclaim Ten should be stayed pending the outcome in the prior filed AutoZone case.
Nope, they've just realized IBM was the wrong company to pick that fight with. From their filing:
In other words, IBM is seeking to declare that a person or entity using Linux does not infringe upon SCO's copyrights and that some or all of SCO's copyrights are invalid and unenforceable. This precise issue will be litigated in a case filed by SCO against AutoZone in federal district court in Nevada; a case filed prior to the IBM filing its Tenth Counterclaim.
So SCO is saying that since they've withdrawn their copyright claims against IBM, and IBM didn't file the copyright vacation counterclaim before SCO filed the copyright suit against AutoZone, that SCO v. AutoZone should be the deciding case in the copyright claim, not SCO v. IBM. In short, they figure they're rolling the dice, and rolling the dice against IBM has worse odds than rolling the dice against AutoZone.
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* If you expect companies to follow the copyright of the GPL, you should support the RIAA going after infringers of its copyright. If not, you're a hypocrite.
* There is absolutely nothing wrong with a company being upset that its product is being pirated freely over online networks. A recent Slashdot poll showed that the majority of Slashotters are unemployed or are students ("academics"), which explains a lot. Try getting a real job sometime and see what it feels like when your work is everywhere, and you start worrying that your days are numbered. Does John Carmack want you to "sample" his new game via the "free advertising" happening on eMule?
* At the 2004 WinHEC, Allchin demonstrated an alpha version of Longhorn that played six high-resolution videos at the same time while playing Quake III in the background. An equivalent XP machine couldn't play more than four videos. Meanwhile, I can't even get xmms to play without skipping, and windows to drag without visual tearing! That's because KDE and GNOME are hacks to emulate a desktop on top of the crufty XFree86 architecture that people won't let die (Linux users absolutely fear change).
* VA Linux-owned Slashdot thinks its niche opinion represents the majority of the world. This is a result of people visiting every day and buying into the groupthink. Nobody outside of Slashdot knows or cares about "Linux," "RIAA", "M$," or anything else Slashdotters think is such a huge issue in today's society. Go to a mall or coffee shop sometime and see what people actually talk
about.
* Speaking of VA Linux--it's a Linux company...that owns a "tech news" site...that posts news stories negative toward competitors like Microsoft. If a Windows company or even Microsoft itself owned a "tech news" site and posted anti-Linux articles all the time, everyone would be up in arms. But with VA Linux, it's a-okay.
* Slashbots think people don't like the music coming out these days, which is the cause of the piracy. Never mind that if people didn't like the music they wouldn't be pirating it, most Slashbots--again, this goes back to the niche opinion thing--don't realize that most people these days love the music coming out and want to hear all of it. Probing around, you discover that Slashdot is made up of nerds and fogies who listen to things like The Who and Blind Guardian and techno--not what mainstream society enjoys.
* Any company ending in "AA" is evil. Especially if it doesn't want you distributing its works without paying for it. Somehow, this mindset is supposed to make sense.
* The inevitable result of all this is a world in which nothing can be profitable because people simply pirate free copies. Is that really what Slashbots want? OSS and free-ness in general reminds me of the hippie era of the 60s--idealistic socialism that only exists because of the surrounding capitalism around it that provides the environment for it to exist. We all know what happened to that idea.
* Linux rules the desktop, when in reality [google.com]: Windows = 91%; Mac = 4%; Linux = 1%
* Slashdot editors are abusive. We all remember The Post. It's amusing the editors never mention the issue. The worst editor is michael, who will mod you down, insult you for your post count, and post unprofessional color commentary along with the article. This is the same bizarre person who cybersquatted Censorware for years--even as Slashdot posted articles negative toward cybersquatting! Michael played it off like he was some sort of stalking victim, which made it all the more bizarre.
* The moderation system is broken. If you mod someone as "Overrated," you can't be metamodded. People abuse this all the time to gang up and knock you down into oblivion.
* If "Linux" just refers to the kernel and not the operating system, how can "FreeBSD" refer to the operating system (userland tools, standard libraries, etc.) and not just the kernel? Face it, "GNU/Linux" looks and sounds ridiculous.
* Slashdot is all about spinning truth fo
I suspect that BSD will win over GPL in the end
(much as I appreciate the benefits of the GPL):
(1) Regardless of license, once some software gains traction, there is significant disincentive to use other software; for FOSS in particular, there is significant long run penalty to forking the code base.
(2) BSD is less restrictive and simpler to understand than GPL, so BSD more attractive to licensees, so BSD more attractive to developers seeking mindshare.
The most popular counterargument is that developers won't accept BSD for fear that big commercial interests (eg: MS) would exploit BSD-licensed code without giving anything in return. However:
(3) Even big BSD users won't dare fork the code base because of (1), or if they do, their efforts will be eclipsed by the critical mass on the trunk.
Ian
I first read this as "NERF calls SCO's Claims Meritless." I was wondering what the hell a soft football manufacturer would have to do with SCO. Boy, is my face red.
My userid is prime!
So if I were to write some code and release it under the GPL, could I simultaneously license the same code to a company that wants to add it to their proprietary product? Of course, that would lead to a fork, as any contributions made by others to the GPL version couldn't be given to the company (without their authors' permissions). Would I be able to make additions to both the GPL and proprietary branches, if the changes could be merged into both without having to involve code contributed by others to the GPL branch?
SCO is pushing for the case to be handled via AutoZone because then they're dealing with a company they might be able to out-stare in court.
IBM doesn't blink, and they have much deeper pockets than SCO. Here's hoping the judge recognizes SCO's request is the right approach, but that all the cases should be rolled in under IBM's.
SCO wanted to play hardball with the big boys, let the game proceed with the players they chose: SCO vs. IBM.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
two things
1 you work for Micro$ux
2.you are trolling for a paycheck
Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
The US considers itself to be "the world". The rest of the planet is "a resource","labor units", or "target practice" (depending on whether or not your country has oil reserves, a friendly dictatorship, or the unfriendly dictatorship de jour). It's what happens when parochialism and paranoid xenophobia are promoted by a country's leaders for several generations.
The NRF isn't "the voice of American Retail Worldwide" either; that is part of what the Trade Department does.
So how does a bunch of retailers have the audacity to advertise themselves as being bigger than they are? That's never happened before in the history of retail? Or do you believe everything every retailer tells you (in which case, you're missing dozens of never-to-be-repeated offers RIGHT NOW on the home shopping channel! What are you waiting for?!? Phone NOW!! Stocks ARE LIMITED!!!).
If you don't get my point, I have a bridge to sell.
Um, that's 80135 shares.
By the way, that spells "Boies"---you know, SCO's lawyer...
I get it now. This 40lb malnourished chimp has decided that taking on the 800lb gorilla was a bad idea, and has now chosen to taunt the 600lb gorilla instead.
Personally, I think it will never be shown again in syndication (because it has the WTC so prominently in Homer's bathroom jaunts).
But there's always DVD! Thanks.
Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.