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peatbakke writes "Well, here it is. Looks like the rumors of computer+monitor combined into a sleek little case were true." It's mostly what you'd expect both design-wise and specwise. And I want it.
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While I never really liked the look of previous iMacs, I must give Apple kudos on this one.
It looks *extremely* slick, and I these would look so much better as the terminals in librarys and what have you, although probably way overkill.
And the one cord in the back is a far cry from my desk, lol.
It looked like this but was black and had a smaller lcd (which was the style at the time) with a blazingly fast 486 processor...
http://www.monorailcomputer.org/index.html
The most amazing space-saving feature is that it holds it's own power supply in that thin enclosure, so no ugly power bricks sitting on your desk or floor. If I didn't already have a dual 2.5Ghz G5 coming, this would look pretty attractive.
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
The new iMac design is pretty similar to the "spy shots" that popped up on the net a few days back (which itself turned out to be a hoax). I wonder if the person who took those picturew knew how close he actually was......
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Wow!! They made a dell desktop that's only 2 inches thick?!?!?
In order to be vaguely comparable in terms of components (the Dell's RAM/FSB is slower but the iMac's CPU is slower, so whatever), you need to look at upgrading the Dell to have a DVD writer when compared to the Superdrive models, to replace the video card in the Dell with something remotely sane, and to replace the hard drive with something of a larger capacity.
At first, I was a little underwhelmed with the design. Hey, it just looks like their monitor; big deal. But after looking at it for a while, I like it.
Conceptually, this is even more impressive than Apple's previous G4 Cube design. In that case, you had a Kleenex-sized box that housed the computer. Now it's all housed in the screen, along with the slot loading drive. Leads me to think they'll have a G5 PowerBook sometime soon.
I also like the way Apple is explicitly marketing it as an upsell to their wildly successful iPod.
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RAM prices keep the price down. If they sold the machine with a more decent amount of RAM, they'd not be able to offer it at the price they do.
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As for the 2GB limit, this prevents the low end machines from cutting into the high end machines.
Now we get to see if postponing all of the iMac sales a couple months ago allowed them to get ready for the demand these new computers will have. It will be interesting if the delay will mean shipping dates closer to now than X-Mas.
The 256Mb of RAM is my major beef with the machine (not that I particularly like the pricing either.) OS X really needs much more than that to run smoothly running anything but the most trivial applications. Even "modern" games have problems in half a gig.
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Errr, it's not made for that... it's 17 pounds, lacks an internal battery, lacks a touchscreen, lacks a stylus....
I agree with the TV tuner lacking quip.
I mean, Apple advertises it as being widscreen (almost 16:9). So, why don't they go the extra step to put a tuner and video inputs (S-Video and Component).
If this thing had that, I could ditch my 17" LCD TV.
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It's a pretty rad computer considering what it is.
What it is: laptop - keyboard + stand. I guess I don't see what makes it such a big deal.
Apple always seems to do this on their low-end machines as a cost-savings measure, and yes, it is somewhat annoying. BUT, if you really need more than 2GB of RAM, you may as well just spend a little extra money and get one of the dual G5 desktops, where you can get 4 or 8GB. Let's be honest, I can't imagine most home users are going to be craving 2GB+ of memory in their ~$1500 iMac.
I'd be willing to bet the FSB thing is also a cost saving measure, and perhaps a way to better differentiate their "pro" desktop line from the iMacs.
Although I agree 256MB is a bit stingy, what possible use could a home user have for more than 2GB or RAM?
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I have 1 GB of ram and a 1 GHz G4, and yet I can't run out of ram, despite running 61 programs (as shown above).
And REAL programs, Photoshop, Word, etc.
OS X handles Ram well.
Looks like the iMacs are a very comparable value :). Much better video card and hard drive, slightly to somewhat worse processor (G5s are a lot more MHz-efficient than P4s - last I checked, a 2GHz G5 was comparable to a 2GHz Opteron/A64, which is in turn somewhere around a 3GHz P4, so these should be comparable to 2.4-2.8GHz ones) - though this is very hard to compare directly as it's an entirely different platform/architecture. Especially the video card cannot be overestimated -- integrated Intel "Extreme" Graphics is so bad, it's awful. (The 5200 Ultra isn't too good in the realm of discrete cards, but it's pretty decent, and magnitudes better than integrated.) :/.
Speaking of which... doesn't the integrated video eat up 64MB of main system memory, meaning the Dell actually only has 192MB? Given that, and the iMac's better aesthetics and OS, and -- leaving PC/Mac partisanship aside -- I'd even call the iMac a better buy. The 20-incher should've gotten 512MB memory, though
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There will be a new iMac before theres time to design one.
There are two groups that apple needs to appeal to with this model, gamers and the hard core corporate client. Until now they have been neglected at huge cost to the company. They had a chance to break into both of those markets with one machine with this release!!! And they clearly have taken a different road. Well time will tell.
Look, Ive used macs since the orignal - that just had 1Mb of ram! - and I always will. I just hope that Jobs starts putting comercial realities ahead of his personal ipod manic agenda and starts putting the boot into Gates at long last.
(sorry for the AC but I'm posting away from my home computer and dont have the login here)
Yes. It's an iMac. One unit. If it breaks, they'll fix it.
After almost 10 years of Apple doing this,
you would think that people would get the concept.
I really like the new iMacs. To me they seem to have a quite reasonable price tag. Considering what you get (20" at 1600-something, 1.8Ghz G5, perfect design) in the top machine around 1800$ do not seem that expensive.
Another thing that is really really perfect about these new machines is the lack of cables. The iMac G5 seems to be destined to be operated wirelessly in any way. You get Airport Extreme for networking, Bluetooth for Mouse&Keyboard and Airport Express for sound transfer. The only cable remaining is the power cable. You can practically put this machine anywhere you want without creating chaos. Very very sweet.
My wife just saw the new imac and she hates it. Said she still wants one of the old ones.
On another note I really dont like the idea of the proc and other devices so close to the monitor, it's probably harder to update than the older design and with considerations for heat updates beyond adding memory would void the warranty.
Yup, meet the future look of pretty much every computer... I should begin by saying that I am an industrial designer and I therefor have a pretty hardcore Apple fetish. That being said, the coolness of the new iMac has nothing to do with design and everything to do with some extremely impressive engineering to shoehorn the G5 into that small a space... Fact of the matter is, processing speed has gotten to the point where computers are 'Fast Enough' for most people and they would rather have a smaller form factor then a quicker computer. It began hitting a few years ago when the office wonks started lusting after laptops more and more and that trend is going to continue. In 5 years, laptops are going to have enough CUP and GPU horsepower to satisfy even the most dedicated gamer, 3D and motion picture geeks. When that happens, expect even high end desktop workstations to be nothing more then an LCD panel with a "computing module" snapped onto the back. Unfortunately, I wonder what this is going to do for Apple. Having a huge ID department is great when you have these big products that people want and you can make them look pretty, but once our computers become a thin box with an LCD on the front, is anyone going to care? Sure the devil is in the details (look at how uber sex the lineup of ports on the back of the new iMac is!), but those aren't very hard to get right. Look at the market for Plasma TVs- nobody cares about style because they are all identical, so people make purchase decisions based on what they can afford first and which unit offers the best performance/$ within that price range. Style is never a consideration. What happens to Apple when the form factor of computers get standardized and simplified to a point where there is simply no room for an industrial designer to work with?
Obviously you have not seen the new Apple Cinema Displays in person. They're rather impressive.
How many people do you know who have more than 1GB of RAM in their home or office PCs? I could probably count them on one hand.
Your objection is noted, but pointless.
This is a true all-in-one, even more so than the previous iMac. I was never particularly enamoured of the desklamp iMac, but this is both elegant and conservative enough to be found on a business desktop.
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
Could it be that they are in such a position for air flow reasons? Apple's website has a nice little pic of cool are going in the bottom and coming out a slit in the top. This cornrow arangement of capacitors looks like it is conducive to air cooling, even if they are too close to other hot components.
I dunno.
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This computer, at least the display, looks pretty enough for me to consider placing it in the living room. I don't know about a TV tuner, but if I had a computer in the living room, I would definitely want to use it as a home entertainment system, to play MP3s, DVDs etc. And in that case, I want a way to control the computer without an ungainly keyboard and annoying mouse in plain view. (Yes, nice as the Mac keyboards are, I still don't want to have one on the desk all day).
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
1. You will now see a million wires coming out of the right side of the machine, hanging in mid-air and visible at all times.
They actually attach behind the right side, and can be threaded through the base to keep them out of sight. And if you don't like 'em, get it configured with Bluetooth and WiFi -- like the sidebar sez, all you'll need then is a power cord, which connects to the back center of the machine and is even harder to see.
2. All that white space at the bottom of the display makes it look like a waste of space (of course it's probably used for the internal electronics, but geez, couldn't they think of a better design?).
You'd better have a PhD in industrial design if you're criticizing Apple on those grounds. I think it looks just fine, and besides, they gotta put the Apple logo somewhere.
3. The display now only rotates in one single dimension (either tilts up or down) as opposed to the previous iMac multi-dimensions of fredom).
Well, yeah... you can just turn the whole base now, can't you? I imagine turning the monitor on the base would make it potentially unstable, but I'm certain it would make it uglier.
4. That base seems awefully inadecuate for so much weight on top of it. Seems like if it is very easy to drop the display sideways if you have a crouded desk and move things around a lot.
Yes, it's a convincing illusion, isn't it? C'mon, they have people to think of things like that.
5. This design has been created before by the big guys (IBM and Compaq/HP I think had/have something similar), why not come up with something as cool as the iPod? (it's a shame they say on the website "from the creators of iPod" - if I was one of the iPod designers I'd be shamed...).
Open your eyes, please... the design is supposed to remind you of the iPod, both from the front and the side views.
6. And how about a $999 model?
Want to have your cake and eat it too, don't you? Maybe next year when this year's models are on clearance.
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...with a bunch of heterogenious wires (usb, firewire, ethernet, audio, etc) sticking out of it? How about getting a single cable (stylish: curly, textured, fuchsia) port replicator thing going on....
http://www.theimac.com/info/graphics_2002/top_grap hic_left_side.jpg
Now which one is cool?
Plus, a 19-inch laptop is still a keyboard+monitor and can be much better looking than the new iMac.
And the kicker is "AIO" actually ought to be cheaper. You're sacrificing expandability for an everything-in-one-unit design, and that design ought to mean cost savings (cases, bulk buying/guaranteed all unit sales, etc) for the manufacturer. But it isn't.
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Also just wondering, does anyone else think this is ugly? Now, I normally think Apple does a great job of product design, but this thing looks like a total lapse in judgement. Also, it looks like the screen on this one isn't adjustable like it is on the iLamp, which, though easily ridiculed, was a nice feature.
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Did Jonathan Ive retire or something, this seems butt-ass ugly.
Oh well I was expecting the new iMac to be a Tablet connected to a WiFi base station, where the Tablet would hold the processer and harddrive and the base could carry the Superdrive, airport and the ports.
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C'mon, show me, what really for you'll need more than 2 G of RAM?
I'm working on everyday basis with multiple 500 Mb+ Photoshop files and guess what? Never, NEVER Photoshop CS or 7 uses memory in such chunks.
And if you'll set more than 1 Gb to Photoshop, it'll just get mad.
And real bottleneck in such a system is harddrive speed, not RAM amount as there are more than 1 Gig.
And this imac is not intended for such an operations ever.
I don't think it's anywhere near the style of the G4 iMac either. The screen tilts back & forth (and with cables moving back & forth as it tilts, I fear some may end up pulling out). To me it's plain, but not plain in that simple excellent design way, just a bit dull.
That being said, I own an eMac. Hardly a stunning piece of equipment to look at, but using it I don't notice the bulbous rear end. I rather suspect using the iMac you wouldn't notice how thin it is either.
At least it's nicer on the inside, upgradewise.
2. All that white space at the bottom makes it tie in to the eMac's look. They could have probably just centered the display but it looks better this way.
3. The display still rotates if you turn the entire unit. That arm was freakishly expensive ($300), would get loose after a while and was a pain in the ass to replace, if necessary. 4. I'm sure that anything will topple over if given enough of a push. Apple has more than likely looked into this and found this to be stable.
5. Errrr... it's hard to give a URL but if you go to apple.com and refresh enough, you'll see the profile shot of the iMac and iPod together. They look quite the same. Are you referring to the iMac's lack of a b&w LCD screen and scroll wheel?
6. They call it the eMac. Wait a year and the new iMacs will be refreshed to slightly cheaper/slightly faster.
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I agree with you on the hardware prices but I agree with the parent of the thread that it's got more value.
You don't get the iApps with the Dell. Nor OS-X. Nor quality support.
You get XP Home and the rest is left up to you.
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Priced a new TV lately? The manufacturers are opting out of including tuners in most cases, because for a lot of customers a built-in ATSC tuner would be a waste of money. Those folks get their programming via a cable TV or satellite set-top box.
Apple couldn't include just an analog tuner. That would be a terrible idea. We're already in the second half of 2004; analog tuners will be junk in less than 30 months, well within the life-span of a computer like this.
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Technically its of course neat. But a generic white box is pretty uninteresting IMHO. Without the Apple logo I think most Apple users wouldn't look twice and just assume its a another LCD monitor. Of course Apple fans will just respond saying THAT'S THE POINT. Yeah well its boring.
In short its got no style. We have seen this lcd-all-in-one design before now its just happens to be a G5 inside. The previous Imac and things like the Cube were much more interesting. Maybe they'll offer Colored versions to spice it up? Too bad you can't buy the old version with a G5 in it.
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If they can fit a G5 inside that box we should be seeing powerbook G5's soon. The heat issue with the G5 seems to be solved.
I differ in opinion. This is a beautiful machine. Its one where people will be looking for the cable that hooks the "monitor" up to the computer. It will be especially perfect looking with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Then you will have a single cable to the power outlet and that is it. This is the first computer from apple in ages that actually has me thinking "man I wish I had that". I'm not a super apple fan (nothing against them just no reasons to buy them) but its about time that someone builds a computer with that form factor and those lines and it sounds like this one will even perform decently.
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I'm sorry, I can't find a all in one 64 bit LCD desktop computer at Dell? What one are you looking at? You need to compare Apples to apples, not Apples to cans of soda.
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Really? Since when did Dell start selling G5 machines running OSX?
It's easy to come out with any old crap when you pick and choose some specs (and completely ignore others). I'd like to see you come up with a comparable box from a top brand (which basically means IBM: I don't think anyone could mistake Dell for a quality brand!)
Try again if you like:
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Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
Are you kidding? Maybe the design is semi-alike, but then again, how many ways can you arrange a computer inside a tiny box?
.2 inches). Honestly, are you just trying to find a reason to beat on them?
Take a look at that gateway. All the pieces are outside the monitor. It's quite bulky, and not nearly as easy on the eye. Gateway didn't want to work as much, they just attached the LCD to the box. Apple shoved all the parts into a backing of a LCD, and it's only two inches thick (give or take
There are only so many ways to package up a computer, and I'd say Apple's new way is quite different from that Gateway model. Sure, it's closer in resemblance to that gateway when compared to a traditional desktop with external CRT or LCD...but come on. Give Apple credit where credit is due.
Base 20-inch iMac, with 256 megs of RAM: $1899.
20-inch Apple Cinema Display: $1299.
From where I'm standing, it sounds like you're valuing the non-display parts of the iMac at $600 or less. Plenty of folks think Apple's stuff is overpriced, but that's pushing it a little bit, I think.
Or one could just go get an Athlon 64 box, which is true 64 bit and beats the shit out of the G5. Way to see the trees and not the forest. The other poster's comment about the value of OS X and the iApps was a much better argument.
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I think it's ugly. I've always had a lot of respect for the Apple designs, but I expected a lot more from this machine. Technically, it looks like quite an achievement until you start considering the newer tablet PCs that will be out soon. Apple hasn't done much that is particularly clever here. Apple has a name for making revolutionary designs. This isn't a revolution, it's a one man protest. That said, one of the key things that Apple can do is push forward standards in it's own technology in a way that PC makers can't, simply due to the immensity of the PC industry. What I'm hoping this thing does is start spurring the PC market into wide adoption of miniaturising and widescreens.
Imho neither Microsoft nor Apple is a company you would like to be dependant on.
Konfabulator, anyone.
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Bought a powerbook in NYC.
Had battery failure.
Got it replaced, for free. In Chile.
How is that bad service?
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Admittedly not as clean looking, or as large an lcd, but a more worthy comparison. I'd go over the obvious differences, but anyone here should be able to figure them out. . .
The best value for Apple computers is to buy a refurbished model shortly after a new model comes out. Generally, the price is substantially less than the decreased price of the older model and it comes with a year of Applecare. I got last year's TOL Powerbook for $1900, my buddy got the g4 800 iBook for $700
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Apple explains the one mouse button in its HI Guidelines. The idea is simple: there are people who can only use one mouse button, for reasons of disability or what have you. Coding for one mouse button allows you to avoid having to program especially for these people, while allowing those who want a second mouse button to use it however they like. You don't lose any functionality, because you can just modify mouse drags and clicks with meta kets. Four meta keys = 4 additional actions by a single meta and a further 6 actions adding two meta keys. Ctrl-Click is generally used to pull down context menus a-la Windows, and this is the default functionality of the second mouse button.
Apple does not ship computers with more than one mouse button mostly because of this philosophical choice, but partly because doing so would give developers justification to require the use of more than one mouse button for their target market.
Incidentally, I hadn't realized how confusing the two button paradigm was until I got a mac and tried to learn Blender. Blender is a mess of multiple mouse clicks, metas, rolls, etc. It's a good program, but you really need the tutorial before you can even figure out where you are. This isn't good design...an interface that does not lend itself to exploration will go unexplored, and you might as well write for the command line at that point.
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You could run all the cables through the hole in the stand, jsut like the power cable.
While I like the idea behind iMacs I would like to be able to swap out certain elements at my leisure.
So, if paying a premium to lose flexibility is your boat then so be it. Me, I would like the option of upgrading the monitor without throwing away the machine behind it.
Comparing overall value is what the previous poster was getting at. That is one hell of a premium your willing to pay to have it in a design which looks like but offers less flexibilty.
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Okay. Where's the option where I upgrade the iMac to have PCI/AGP slots?
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Whatever anybody says about the price one thing is for sure. There is no PC on the planet that will hold its value better than a Mac.
Take a look at a 1 year old Dell or IBM anything even servers and then take a look at a 1 year old Mac. The PC will be at least 50% less and the Mac will have dropped about $100.
After a year the PC becomes worthless and the Mac still has a good value. 2 yr old iMacs are still worth quite a bit of their original price, especially if they have the SuperDrive. How much is a 2 year old Dell worth?
When ever a person asks about buying a PC vs. a Mac that is the first thing I try to explane to them.
But having numerous Macs over the years, I disagree on the service time. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've only had three equipment failures in twelve years. I have a Dell Latitude that has required many more service visits in the last eighteen months, but thats for another post.
I had the firewire port on my PowerBook go out after two years, contacted Apple and they shipped me a box for it the next day. I had my laptop back with a new board a day and a half later.
Our first iMac, a 600 Graphite, had an issue when my son broke the CD/RW drive by forcing a disk in. AppleCare took care of that as well, we got it back in three days.
When I factor in what my time is worth for driving around picking up parts and doing the repairs my self, Apple's warranty service is a deal. In some cases it was faster than waiting fot the Dell service technician to show up, but again I digress.
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Well, why not include video inputs?
Because it's not a monitor. It's a computer.
Also, TV tuners are dirt cheap. What's $20 on a machine like that?
ATSC tuners cost considerably more than $20. But aside from that, what's $20? It's a $1319 computer instead of a $1299 computer.
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Yep. We all know how well the Mac TV [everymac.com] sold.
Ah yes, because a computer that was last sold 9 years ago is a good indicator of what the market is like today.
that thing will have 8 cables just hanging there, on the side of the machine, with no support whatsoever.
Pretty much like any other computer then, silly!
Yeah, I agree that it will look tattier with the cables hanging down. There shouldn't be anything stopping you using the cable guide on the stand however as far as I can see.
OTOH, you could remove the windows license cost by having them ship without an OS or ship with RedHat
Seems pretty price-competitive to me. I'm thinking it's time to upgrade my old dual G4/500, my daughter's G4/450 and replace my son's G3 iMac/500
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I fail to see how this is anything but a laptop with the keyboard and the battery removed.
Closer still are TabletPCs, but again, with less functionality and portability.
G5 in there is nice, but with the base model only having 256MB of ram, all that nice processing power will go to waste as the hard drive thrashes away.
Once you add in enough ram to make it nice, I am sure the price will put it at about the same place as a mid-to-high end laptop.
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from: http://www.apple.com/imac/:
"Back up your iTunes collection or make a mix CD for that special someone. [emphasis added]"
Um, that would be a CD full of songs to which you own the copyright, right? Riiiiight...
Now, before we get into the "slashdotters don't have teh g1rlfriends LOL OMG BBQ" jokes, or the "my iMac is my special someone" crowd, I'd like to say that this just really, really makes me sick. You can't have it both ways. We are either allowed to share music, or we aren't. (I know Apple != RIAA etc., but they are a Large Corporate Entity, and presumably wouldn't encourage something that is 100% against the wishes of the **AA) So what's the deal? I can see it now: "All Combo-drive Macs come with Shrink! Share your DVDs with your friends!"
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This thing looks like a pizza box. Well, why didn't Apple include pizzas with it!? Sarcasmn aside, if the iPod taught us anything it's that we don't always have to pack in every possible feature out there, that sometimes less is more.
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Sorry, that might be enough for all of my music, maybe even all of my photos. But I have very little music (in comparison to most of my friends. ) and almost no photos. I know people who cannot fit even half their music on an iPod. There is a reason that people lobbied to get 80gig hard drive packs for their Neuros.
I like that the hard disks are SATA though! That is pretty cool.Did you buy a Neuros today?
I've always said that the iMacs/eMacs are the ultimate dorm room computers, especially when paired with a TV tuner. Set it on your desk, position the desk so you can see the screen from anywhere in the room, and you've got all of your school and entertainment needs in one little box, leaving you plenty of space for a full-size hand-me-down refrigerator. I wish they had em' back when I was in college. My TV and stereo dominated the room, while my poor 8086 just slouched in the corner whenever I wasn't actually working and/or BBS-ing on it.
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Wow... they built a laptop. Congratulations.
for the love of christ, steve jobs please put a damn link light on the nics. this has been the one thing that has bothered me about macs. link lights are one of those things that you take for granted until you don't have one, trouble shooting is so much easier with link lights.
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Absolutely. There's big money to be made from print quality images.
..its looks like a damn nice piece of hardware.
/office needs.
It is exactly what I would reccomend for the person who has:
A)some money.
B)taste.
C)no interest in games.
D)only multimedia / mail
E)no interest in spending time on maintenance.
Yet, once you learn it, it is a very usable app that does promote exploration via its extensive online help, apropos command and so on.
For the types of non-technical market the Mac traditionally targetted yes a one button mouse may have made sense (if you ignore all the people now used to it), but that doesn't mean it makes sense for everybody.
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You're kidding, right?
Premier?
An outdated version of Photoshop? (Intentionally chosen because the new one is G5-optimized.)
Two completely arbitrary tests run on Word of an unknown version? (Who uses auto-summarize?)
All of the PC's are using RAID except two, one which gets smoked by the high-end G5?
These benchmarks are funny shit.
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Priced a new TV lately?
Yeah, the 15" model they sell at the supermarket. It has a tuner built in. Most low-end and midrange models do, and will for the foreseeable future.
We're already in the second half of 2004; analog tuners will be junk in less than 30 months
Unlikely. Despite any FCC mandates which state we'll be all-digital in 2006, it just flat-out Ain't Gonna Happen. Even with ten years of advance notice, the manufacturers are still far from switching all their production to HDTV -- because there simply isn't any consumer demand for it outside of the home-videophile market.
My only point is that a TV tuner would have cost Apple maybe $40 per unit to integrate into the device and would have been useful for several years at least. But I can't complain really, for one because the G5 iMac is a beautiful machine otherwise, and for two because I have no plans to buy one either way.
This is a false argument, and clearly from someone who has never used OS X. Why would you have to hire three? Why not one, or one part time since OS X needs so little support? As people migrate over to Mac OS X, you will need less admins. There's your cost savings.
Perhaps you are a windows admin yourself.... hmmmmmm.
either create a gaming PC, or a media/office/ PC.
This in-between shit is no good. And their price point is too high. for 1500 I can build myself a kickass gaming PC that's double the performance of that one. Sure it'll be an ugly tower, but christ.. I can still HIDE a tower.
The PC industry tends to have cheap hardware and relatively pricey integral software ($300 for XP Pro non-upgrade, MS Office even more) while Apple, being a singluar source, can subsidize its software development with hardware sales. People scoff at the yearly $150 OSX upgrades, but I can assure you that without $2k starting model towers and pricey iPods, it would be a lot worse.
I do not own any Apple hardware, but I would love one of the new 30" displays if nVidia or ATI would release a consumer-level PC-based 2xdual link graphics card. (These monitors are one area where they are probably not making off too much like bandits...)
Why does your secretary need 1.8 GHz instead of 1.6 GHz?
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sorry, as a lifelong mac user (well, since 1984) i am disappointed. why not release a LCD-free imac in the same form factor for $499 that I can plug my own monitor into?
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i know apple is not about market share, it's about the "user experience", but until apple gives the unwashed masses a lower price point the mac will remain a boutique item. a recent survey show that a majority of people looking to purchase a new computer were interested in buying a mac - until sticker shock set in.
apple simply must address the lower end of the consumer market if they are going to play in that space . .
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Of these support calls how many were "how do I change my wall paper", "Where is 'My Computer'", "How do I make a short cut", "I can't eject the cdrom", and other such requests that would normaly come from a person that has used nothing but MicroCrap there whole computing life. I work for a school district with 75% mac, we have 2 admins, one for our legacy OS 9 stuff and the other for OSX, we have two full time mac repair techs and 2 that that do both pc and mac. We have 16 techs for PC repair and 4 people for the Administration. This is for over 5000 computers total both mac and PC.
Where is the TCO savings? Lets see 6 people to support 3750 Macs and 20 people to Support 1250 PC's With the average cost of 166k/yr (three admins for 500k/yr) per employee from the Parent post, the cost per unit to support is
Mac is $265.60 per year
PC is $2656.00 per year
Support for the macs is one tenth the cost of the PCs. There is your cost savings. This is based on real numbers of employees and Computers. You do the math and prove me wrong.
Side note, I started of in PC only support and moved to Mac only. Mac is much easier to learn and to support. Yes Macs crach but a hell of lot less often the PC's do.
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My department doesn't need the secretarial staff to have 80GB drive nor a DVD-R burning SuperDrive. Yet, I'm forced to buy those components if I want the 1.8GHz machine instead of the 1.6GHz.
Yeah. Because there's no way your secretary could get her work done on a 1.6ghz machine. Moving up to 1.8ghz is an absolute necessity because she is absolutely going to wring that last 200mhz of performance out of her workstation.
Seriously, care to explain your reasoning there?
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If you have a legitimate argument to back that up, let's hear it. However, the fact is I can price similar spec'd real IBMs for less than $1,299, and IBM clones for a few hundred dollars.
And, yes, as I pointed out earlier, this does include comparable optical drives (indeed, you'd be hard pressed to buy a combo drive right now, your IBM equivalent would most likely have a DVD burner compared to the $1,299 iMac's combo drive). FSB is a performance issue, I'm certain my example PC runs, in practice, at a comparable speed. Neither the IBM nor the iMac includes wireless, but the IBM can be upgraded to support 802.11g for next to nothing, it's $99 for the iMac.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I'm sorry I don't see your argument or it doesn't hold water. Deploying software on a Mac and maintaining updates and administration on a Mac OSX is far lower than any other computer I've come across. We have a hetrogenous enviroment in our department. Aside from Windows PCs we have SGI Irix, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, Linux and Mac OSX.
Please, just goes to show how poor your techs were. I worked at a research hospital were I supported over 2000, yes OVER 2000, macs running OS 8, OS 9 by myself. You know what I spent most my time doing, surfing the internet waiting for a ticket to come in, while the PC guys were swamped with tickets trying to support about 250 systems a piece. Once things went to OS X, they made me run PC calls to help out the PC techs, I spent 95% of the time doing PC work, and probably 4% was helping users with specialized lab equipment and software.
I know people who support Mac installations just as large part time with no problems. Ask school teachers who have had to deal with IT dorks coming in and forcing them to switch to PCs which they prefer and how much their IT costs went through the roof. Most school that did this went from having someone come out when they had a problem to having to have a IT staff there 5 days a week, all day long.
Plus you need to build a different machine for each part of the world that has different standards.
After that people will want cable and digital hookups etc etc etc. It easier to allow people to buy the firewire or usb tv tuners of choice.
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20" iMac $1899
20" CinemaDisplay $1299
difference $ 600
This shows that Apple could reintroduce a G5 cube and price it aggresively under $1000.
Would you buy a Cube if it had the following?
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
600MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load SuperDrive
Bluetooth
One empty PCI slot
Ditch the clear plastics, make Bluetooth standard and sell it without a mouse and keyboard.
Give customers the option of buying Apple's wired or Bluetooth mice/keyboard or third party peripherals.
It would be a switcher friendly Mac.