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IBM Sets Supercomputer Speed Record
T.Hobbes writes "IBM's BlueGene/L has set a new speed record at 36.01 TFlops, beating the Earth Simulator's 35.86 TFlops, according to internal IBM testing. 'This is notable because of the fixation everyone has had on the Earth Simulator,' said Dave Turek, I.B.M.'s vice president for the high-performance computing division. The AP story is here; the NY Times' story is here."
I wish I knew what a Tecord was...
/. shoud be using automatic text-box spell checking found in KDE...
Maybe
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Is that how they measure Records in Teraflops?
Someone call Huinness' Nook pf Eorld Tecords!
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I'm sorry, but those Supercomputers have nothing on my machine running Windows. It has a record of AlwaysFlops.
I'd say rypo.
It might be fast, but could it keep up with monitoring all the errors and dupes on /.? ;P
A new tecord?!? That's timpossible! But more seriously, does anyone know if there's an impartial 3rd party that ever confirms these measurements? I'm all for improving technology, but how do they verify their "tecords"?
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Hete's the full text in case of a massive slashdotting of theit setvets:
IBM says Blue Gene bteaks speed tecotd
9/29/2004, 7:27 a.m. ET
By ELLEN SIMON
The Associated Ptess
NEW YOtK (AP) - IBM Cotp. claimed unofficial btagging tights Tuesday as ownet of the wotld's fastest supetcomputet.
Fot thtee yeats tunning, the fastest supetcomputet has been NEC's Eatth Simulatot in Japan.
"The fact that non-U.S. vendot like NEC had the fastest computet was seen as a big challenge fot U.S. computet industty," said Hotst Simon, ditectot of the supetcomputing centet at Lawtence Betkeley National Lab in Califotnia.
"That an Ametican vendot and an Ametican application has won back the No. 1 spot -- that's the main significance of this."
Eatth Simulatot can sustain speeds of 35.86 tetaflops.
IBM said its still-unfinished BlueGene/L System, named fot its ability to model the folding of human ptoteins, can sustain speeds of 36 tetaflops. A tetaflop is 1 ttillion calculations pet second.
Lawtence Livetmote National Labotatoty plans to install the Blue Gene/L system next yeat with 130,000 ptocessots and 64 tacks, half a tennis coutt in size. The labs will use it fot modeling the behaviot and aging of high explosives, asttophysics, cosmology and basic science, lab spokesman Bob Hitschfeld said.
The ptototype fot which IBM claimed the speed tecotd is located in tochestet, Minn., has 16,250 ptocessots and takes up eight tacks of space.
While IBM's speed sets a new benchmatk, the official list of the wotld's fastest supetcomputets will not be teleased until Novembet. A handful of scientists who audit the computets' tepotted speeds publish them on Top500.otg.
Supetcomputing is significant because of its implications fot national secutity as well as such fields as global climate modeling, asttophysics and genetic teseatch.
Supetcomputing technology IBM inttoduced a decade ago has evolved into a $3 billion to $4 billion business fot the company, said Simon.
Unlike the mote specialized atchitectute of the Japanese supetcomputet, IBM's BlueGene/L uses a detivative of commetcially available off-the-shelf ptocessots. It also uses an unusually latge numbet of them.
The tesulting computet is smallet and coolet than othet supetcomputets, teducing its tunning costs, said Hitschfeld. He did not have a dollat figute fot how much lowet Blue Gene's costs will be than othet supetcomputets.
Howevet, othet supetcomputets can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as ptoduce 3-D simulations of nucleat explosions, Hitschfeld said.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
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...what operating system it uses. Anybody know?
I wonder if that is sustained ?? ...
I know that when the Mac G5 Cluster was developed they claimed tremendous speed, but when the sustained rate was calculated, it turned out to be much lower
Unfortunately it will only play "Toom 3" and that hasn't been released yet..
I guess I am going to have to wait and cry for a long time. Kinda like waiting for the release of Halo 2 when Microsoft/Bungie said it was first going to come out.
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98% of posts will be 0.4 standard deviations away from one of the following:
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1. "Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!"
2. "But does it run Linux?"
3. "In Soviet Russia, SPEED RECORD SETS YUO!"
4. "1. Earth Simulator: 38.56 TFlops. 2. BlueGene/L36.01 TFlops. 3.
5. "I for one, welcome our supercomputer overlords."
6. "Do either of the supercomputers run BSD? BSD is dying."
7. "I didn't have enough time to read the article, but..."
it cant do 3D :(
"However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."
From TFA:
the Blue Gene/L system next year with 130,000 processors and 64 racks, half a tennis court in size.
The prototype for which IBM claimed the speed record is located in Rochester, Minn., has 16,250 processors and takes up eight racks of space.
So does this mean the finished product, with almost 10x as many procs will be much faster still? Or am I reading this wrong?
Unlike the more specialized architecture of the Japanese supercomputer, IBM's BlueGene/L uses a derivative of commercially available off-the-shelf processors. It also uses an unusually large number of them. The resulting computer is smaller and cooler than other supercomputers, reducing its running costs, said Hirschfeld. He did not have a dollar figure for how much lower Blue Gene's costs will be than other supercomputers.
This is the most interesting part of the article to me. Makers of supercomputers are going to go back and forth for the speed record. However, holding the speed record with off the shelf components seems like a separate achievement in and of itself. The article did mention, however, that the IBM system is not as capable as other supercomputers.
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More like Iuinness' Dook qf Yorld Tecords.
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From the NYTime article:
"The new system is notable because it packs its computing power much more densely than other large-scale computing systems. BlueGene/L is one-hundredth the physical size of the Earth Simulator and consumes one twenty-eighth the power per computation, the company said."
1/100th the size and 1/28th the power. Now if that isn't a beautiful thing, I don't know what is.
From AP article:
"However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."
They state that Blue Gene L has 16,000 processors, but it's a prototype for the real deal which is going to have 130,000 processors. So, how in god's name could a computer with that much power not be able to simulate a nuclear explosion? Is it just that it would do it too slowly to be useful?
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they are not using websphere on it...
From the Washington Post article:
"IBM's new system nudges past a nearly three-year-old computer speed record of 35.86 "teraflops," or trillions of calculations per second, with a working speed of 36.01 teraflops....The current record-holder, known as the Earth Simulator, is a supercomputer in Yokohama, Japan, designed to simulate earthquakes."
Won't it be great when IBM announces that they built Blue Gene to simulate Japanese earthquakes? Neener neener.
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I've heard that the neural network of human brain has calculation speed of 4.4 TFLOPS. How soon these machines will start to THINK? Seems like what we need now is just more storage capacity and some well-written "thinking" software...
It'd be able to deduce the existance of rice pudding and income tax before anyone could get to a switch to turn it off!
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I find it genuinely amusing that there is a disclaimer on the link you include that says the Earth Simulator is not to be confused with SimEarth. I wonder if there was a board meeting at Maxis to discuss the possible imapct of the release of the Earth Simulator...
As far as the machine being sexy: Its got red spots, that is usually a sign to leave it alone...
Will it run Longhorn?
Well no, the real question is, how many people beat me to that joke?
Anyone have a list of TFlops/squarefeet top ten supercomputer?
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I'll be very interested in seeing how well this thing performs on benchmarks other than linpack.
Blue Gene is a very interesting design in so much as it uses IBM's 32-bit powerpc cores, normally used for embeded applications. They put 2 cores on a die, and integrated a memory controller, as well as the 4 different interconnect networks. The cores are only clocked at about 800mhz, and are thus pretty wimpy individually. However, that can be good. Since the processor cores are quite modest, the ratio of memory bandwidth to CPU flops is quite high. Similarly the ratio of interconnect bandwidth to CPU flops is also very high. Thus the CPUs should run very efficiently on problems that will parallelize to thousands of cpus. Some problems, on the other hand, will perform terribly. I expect a lot of this system's performance depends on the scalability of the system software, and the compilers / libraries.
That said, the earth simulator is also really good at some applications, and not so good at others. Instead of 16,000 small CPUs, it uses 5000 massive vector CPUs. Each is clocked at only 500mhz, but has 8 parallel execution pipes, and about 50GBytes/sec of memory bandwidth. Problems that don't vectorize run through the very modest 500mhz scalar unit.
Earth simulator has realized a large percent of it's theoretical peak performance on real world simulations (often up to 50%) while most large systems approach (10%). I'm looking forward to see how well utilized Blue Gene is. Earth simulator was a direct descendant from NEC's sx-series supercomputers, which have a 20 year lineage. Blue Gene is a radical departure from IBM's regular HPC product offerings, and uses a new microkernel OS rather than clustered AIX nodes. I imagine there will be some stutter-steps in the early days of this new product, which will undoubtedly work themselves out over time.
Great work IBM.
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Jesus Christ, that's a lot of "tecord" jokes. I mean, wow.
Indeed. It must surely be some kind of tecord.
With ~16,000 processors now, and over 130,000 when it goes into production, getting all those CPUs to talk to one another is quite a challenge. Did they use infiniband? Or a proprietary interconnect, perhaps?
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That looks like a bunch of HAL's.
I can almost hear them chanting "I'm sorry Dave... I'm sorry Dave..."
The Virginia Tech Supercomputer (take 2) is due to be clocked soon, and its also a huge off-the-shelf system. I'd like to see how they compare.
Also, I'll be big money its already been used for gaming. What college studeny could resist?
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Wouldn't help. If they had used a KDE spell checker, it would have been changed to 'rekord'.
I've been down in the basement of the building, see a few of the towers 1/2 loaded (at that time), along with the massive cooling system that was added to the building to keep those racks workings. Lift up a raised floor panel and the 95 LBS of me will get lifted off the ground (or so it feels).
Sadly, all 64 racks will never be in Roch, just not enough space.
Actually, StarTribune has one (crappy) pic of some towers.
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How long does it take it to run an infinite loop?
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This box, distcc and a cross compiler sound like a Gentoo wet dream.
Interestingly, why aren't they using Linux as an OS? I didn't see anything about exactly what they are planning on using.
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"However, other supercomputers can do things Blue Gene cannot, such as produce 3-D simulations of nuclear explosions, Hirschfeld said."
Sounds like they need a better video card!
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People are fixated on the Earth Simulator because of what it does, not how fast it does it. Geeks care about the specs, but the normals care that it's fast enough to model the weather, which is increasingly destructive and scary. The rest of these supercomputers are used for finding oil and "perfecting" weapons, not nearly as inspiring.
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In Win 2000 this might well be true. When I ran a test on the a speed of my latest program on a 2 GHz machine, the result was in a ratio of 2.2 to 2.7 with the task manager running in the former case. The task manager consumed about 20% CPU when the system was busy.
I realize a spell checker ought to stop as soon as it finishes scanning while task manager never stops.
A supercomputer class speed checker would undoubtedly be fully blown, in the industrial strength class. Such software wouldn't just do the garden variety dictionary compare. It wouldn't be satisfied until it determined whether you used the correct word relative to context, whether you used the correct phrasing, and should not stop until it determined you've elucidated the precise connotation and denotation within the realm of your intentions.
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When you have a machine this fast the sampler cannot keep up. As a result what you see is a total distortion of reality. You may have seen this phenomenon with wagon wheel spokes rotating backward when the cart is really rolling. Thus when you read "speed record at 36.01 TFLOPS" your eyes view the letters going backwards and forwards.
Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
Some google references mention 10-15 watts per node, giving about 250 kilowatts for the 16K node test machine. They were trying to stay under two megawatts for the full blown 130K, 360TF machine planned in a couple years. That is the site power capacity.
>the VT cluster has been upgraded to the new and yet unreleased duel 2.3 GHz Xserves with ECC memory. last month was their first live month and they were testing it out by running stuff for the military.
"upgraded", "live", "testing it" - which one is it? What the fuck does that mean - is it ready or not? It's live but it's still under testing? How can it be? It's the tests first, then going live.
And if they're done with it, why don't they publish another (higher, if the upgrade worked) benchmark?
If they haven't finished upgrading it or if it's running slower than the benchmark they published last year, the last result means nothing.
Not to mention that MPI-style clusters can be upgraded rack-by-rack or even node-by-node - if they're ripping it all apart, they haven't set it up properly in the first place!
The same is with this IBM's announcement - the god damned thing is in a fucking lab - it will be a year or so before it's actually implemented. By the time when they actually go online, there well may be some faster cluster online.
Just another piece of PR bullshit.
Except that it's not on the most recent Top 500 list anywhere.
Remember how Va. Tech replaced all 1100 G5 nodes with G5 XServes a few months ago? Well, when you do something like that, you have to rerun and resubmit the benchmark. Va. Tech were not able to get the machine back together soon enough to rerun the benchmark in time to make the last list; there's even a big caveat about it on the Top 500 home page.
(It's also not clear that the original version of the Va. Tech machine ever did anything other than run that benchmark, but that's another matter.)
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Being innerested in protein folding I saw an article on Blue Gene being invented to be used for simulating the folding of a protein with the full use of quantum mechanic calculations. The computer was to be so fast it would take just one year of execution time to simulate a full fold.
A few years the fastest supercomputers were being built to simulate atomic explosions including the first computer to break the teraflops barrier.
The Earth Simulator was built for peaceful purposes. Blue Gene is in name motivated by genetics.
I know atomic bombs explode and kill a lot of people. Those things work. I want to know how proteins fold. Are we to understand that funding for supercomputer research must be driven by the arms race?
Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
comes from building hardware for a specific task. Unfortunately most of you can't access this little bit of nerd heaven but some incredibly cool hardware architectures are being described at the High Performance Embedded Computing conference. Sky and Mercury have some of their hottest new designs here. How about a machine that can do a 256 mega-sample FFT in real time?, or a self configuring supercomputer on a chip? Of course most of these tricks will never escape the lab except for the speed-ups for rendering engines...one place where gamers and the DOD are driving technology in a dead heat race with lots of winners. Besides, in a few months, something will come along that will go even faster than blue gene.
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If I remember correctly, the Blue Gene set up has comparitively little ram. 3-D numerical simulations, like I do, almost always need a lot of ram in order to store the values of the field at all the grid points. O(N^3) indeed...
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So how long will it take before a Mac rumor site predicts that this CPU will be in the next PowerBook?
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There simply cannot be a perfectly correct method for doing it.You [not exactly you] measure power by comparing Human Neurons and Computer nodes ,huh? What is the proof that it is correct?
And to top it, though all humans have essentially same structure of brain, a lot could vary.
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Probably Infinite.
So what happens when some of the 130000 processors fail?Will it continue to work properly?can they be replaced individually? ,what could happen to the full system?
And in a rare case that despipte the cooling provided a processor burns
I feel it's worth mentioning that if you look at the Earth Simulator's event calendar, you can see the Earth Simulator was tested and working in April of 2002. It's amazing it has taken so long for someone to beat their Linpack score... Two years is an eternity in the computing world. Good job NEC, you had a great run!
... how many FPS?
I wonder how this compares to the one NASA is building, which is being collaborated with Intel and SGI. Since you can't base performance simply on the number of processors, it should be interesting.
The bluegene may be faster, but the Earth Simulator sure looks cooler. Obviously, this proves that the Earth Simulator is the superior (superer?) computer.
I worked on it and I didn't even know this got published!
Thanks for pointing this out, now I can add this publication to my cv:)
(I'm M Tubbs, see page 1. I worked on the SIMD FPU)
IBM only used 8 racks to accomplish that speed, while the Earth Simulator has 320 processor node cabinets and 64 interconnect cabinets. The ES's grid design looks neat though.
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Not all projects work well in a highly distributed kind of setting.
Tasks that can be worked on pretty much independently such as finding primes or the SETI@HOME will work find on whatever system can be cobbled together. (To see if n is a prime you don't care of n-2 or n+2 is also a prime. Every integer can be tested for primeness regardless of other numbers.)
Other kinds of computing need to share a great deal more information between the processors. Weather simulation, geological studies, etc. (To understand what data you have at point x,y it is useful to check the areas around that for something similiar.)
For these kind of tasks, the best system we have come up with far is a super computer with the processors jammed as close to each other as we can put them.
IBM said its still-unfinished BlueGene/L System, named fot its ability to model the folding of human ptoteins, can sustain speeds of 36 tetaflops.
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Hopefully we will actually be celebrating 36 tetaflops in 10*18 months = 15 years. Maybe then they'll have the computing capacity to figure out why I can't wake up at 7 for work but I can wake up at 6 for golf
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In regards to the Virgin Galatic thread a couple days ago -- To all those who said they'd bet on Japan because they had the "fastest" computer -- looks like many should foot = mouth. Bah -- this has nothing to do with anything. Globalistic(global nationalism? facism?) mindset of everyone v. America is starting to get frighteningly trite. valder.
according to this site SETI@home (which is already a distributed system) currently runs at around 15 teraflops, so running it on this machine for a day would only about triple their results for that day.
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Yeah, this is all old news now (from yesterday, omg), but you have to love this headline:
IBM creates fastest super model in the world
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Ok, good point, I had never seen a stat on it. But still, adding a single computer to the network and tripling the amount of work done! that's still pretty impressive if you ask me!