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Study Links Cell Phones to DNA Damage
Amit Malhotra was one of several readers to point out a story running on numerous sites about a study linking cell phone use to DNA Damage. Of course, a recent gammaworld campaign has served to remind me that mutations are almost always beneficial, so there is nothign to fear.
The super speed and x-ray vision are great superpowers.
Maybe one of the effects of these mutations could be better spelling...
that's a bit far fetched
Were the typos (both in just the brief description posted to the /. main page) to be funny because of the topic, or were they really just stupid typos? CmdrTaco is fired. Next, please.....
recent gammaworld campaign has served to remind me that mutations are almost always beneficial
Any one have a link? I find this extremely hard to believe.
to cell damage. Should've been obvious from the start.
I'm not a coward by any name.
Now all those Valley Girls who use cell phones all the time will get super powers.
"We have to, like, go save the president, you know. hee hee! *Laser Beam Eye Sound Effects*"
Just a boy doing unproffesional IT work that's way above his head.
we'll look forward to the comic book heroes that will come out of this: incommunicado man unreachable by telephone and still has the ability to walk talk and think
you have to die of something...
but do you think this will make people stop using their damned cell phones? no way, they need to figure out a way to make them less harmful yes, but what incentive will they have to do that if this isn't hard fact.
remember teh craze a few years ago when they thought it gave you cancer? how many scares are we going to have. do people realize how many radio waves go through your body every single day? i am sure sitting infront of a computer monitor each day is a bit worse than me using my cell.
If my children start shooting claws out of their finger ...
*closes the cell phone*
Imagin the irony of reading this on a cell phone. (Hmm, it appears that spelling is one of those mutations). All I have to say is well, duh. Of course, we're constantly bombed with xrays from outer space too, though.
Tell the truth and you won't have so much to remember.
Finally proof that god exists. If we all pray together maybe he could arrange for GWB to get really painful stomach cancer too.
I looked around briefly online, but I couldn't find any study on the effects of Bluetooth. It seems to me that similar caution should apply.
Am I way off-base? Does anyone know?
Please, for the love of God, no more car analogies.
How do we protect ourselves?
Uh, no it isnt. /. could NEVER take down yahoo...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=57 1&ncid=751&e=3&u=/nm/20041220/hl_nm/tech_mobilepho ne_health_dc
Nothing for you to see here, Please move along.
Those would be cool... Will this side effect get me out of my contract?
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From TFA: Adlkofer ... recommended the use of a headset connected to a cellphone whenever possible.
I thought the prevailing wisdom was that using a headset actually made things worse: If you use a headset, you place the phone in your pocket; it needs to run at higher power to get reception; the skull is good at blocking radiation anyway; and the wires connecting the headset to the phone can also conduct the radiation up to your head.
I always said the loud talkers were brain damaged.
They // lawyers // need a new cow.
The pharmaceuticals, fastfood, and cell phone companies have money. They are nice big cows waiting for the right amount of scaremongering to generate up public concern. The big lie works well here, keep repeating it, getting it into newspapers, internet chain letters, and voila!
So what if there are any possible beneifts, if there is a negative its a horror! Think of the children, the elderly, the dienfranchiesed. These huge evil corporations slowing killing us for a profit.
So, who files the class-action suit first?
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This has been postulated ror years now. God knows what we're doing to ourselves with technology.
Can you tumor me now? Good.
There's not nearly enough information here.
I'd like to see them cone down the exact wavelengths that are purported to be problematic. It may be only a certain portion of that band that causes enough resonance in the DNA molecule to break the molecular bonds. The EM spectrum is large... and this could be a very wavelength-specific phenomenon.
For example, everyone knows that Ultraviolet radiation is harmful to humans... it causes sunburns, skin cancer, etc. However, clinical effects within the ultraviolet range of the EM spectrum (consisting of UVA, UVB, and UVC in order of increasing frequency) vary significantly. UVA will tan your skin, but isn't terribly harmful otherwise. UVB, and part of UVC will cause Ultraviolet Keratitis ("welder's eye" or "snow blindness"), and UVC is the worst for causing skin cancer (UVB causes cancer too, but UVC is worse).
We frankly need much more information... particularly a bit more specifcity about what wavelengths of Cell phone radiation cause DNA damage. A shift of only 20-30 nanometers in the UV range can make a big difference in clinical effects... who knows where the sweet spot is in the cell band?
I'm not throwing away my cellphone until I know more... a LOT more.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
It's interesting that they don't offer up an explanation for the cellular damage. Last time I checked, microwaves were non-ionizing. The worst you should experience from a cell phone might be a little heat. I'm skeptical, as usual. Remember the scare about power lines? About alar? Remember a couple years back when there was a study that showed that heated carbohydrates can produce a cancer-causing chemical (I forget the name)? Wine was bad for you, then it was good, then it was bad, and now it's good again. There's a new study every year that shows something from the modern world kills us. Well, last time I checked, living in a modern society generally means you're going to live 40 years or more beyond what someone in a primitive society could expect. So even if everything is bad for you, it's more than balanced out by the things that are good.
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My observations suggest that they merely destroy the part of the brain that regulates manners.
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In a separate announcement in Hong Kong, where consumers tend to spend more time talking on a mobile phone than in Europe, a German company called G-Hanz introduced a new type of mobile phone which it claimed had no harmful radiation, as a result of shorter bursts of the radio signal.
(Additional reporting by Doug Young in Hong Kong)
Everyone seems to have an agenda in the news these days. Is there no such thing anymore as a news release not trying to sell something or push an agenda?
Of course, a recent gammaworld campaign has served to remind me that mutations are almost always beneficial, so there is nothign to fear.
Of course! How could I miss that! Blinky is the perfect example of this. Stupid me, doh!
Gamma world!
Hmmm, guess I've gotta rethink putting my cell phone in my pocket eh? Fortunately, my kids came before I started doing that! So I guess that means...errr, forgot where I was, nevermind!
To the making of books there is no end, so let's get started
As Max Russel starts his normal day a television exec. Before breakfast he pickup his cell phone to call a co-worker. Then at that minute **BANG** **ZAP** **POW** His DNA Changes and he becomes Cell Phone Man! With his inate ability to call people telephathicly to their cell phones avoiding add Roming and Overage Minute charges. Mean while at the same time a Lawer from the West Side talking on his cell phone got his DNA Changed too to become The Sun of SCO! With his super power of being the arch rival of Cell Phone Man for no reason what so ever... Dum DUm Dummmm.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Still: ... on animals and human volunteers."
Because of the lab set-up, the researchers said the study did not prove any health risks. But they added that "the genotoxic and phenotypic effects clearly require further studies
So the point remains, it has still not been proven dangerous.
DNA breaks all the time in cells (think thousands per day for each cell in the body) but since we are in fact using the double-stranded DNA (think RAID 0), it can be repaired rather easily. And even if it can't that still does not mean that you will get cancer and die a slow death.
Nothing to see here people, move along...
...by that time the entire nation of Japan will have mutated into miniature Godzillas, so you can send those mutant Valley Girls over here to fight them.
Hell, I'd pay good money to see a steelcage team tag deathmatch between a couple of Valley Girls and a bunch of Shibuya kogals.
Proving yet again my long held point that cell phone users are a cancer across the land.
---As my daddy used to tell me: "You gotta be smart before you can be a smartass."
Here is yet another example of releasing findings by press release. This is amazingly irresponsible, since it looks like the study involved irradiating cells in a dish. Not applicable to human exposure at all ...
Here are my favorite quotes:
Because of the lab set-up, the researchers said the study did not prove any health risks.
and
"We don't want to create a panic, but it is good to take precautions," he said, adding that additional research could take another four or five years.
In other words, I need more funding to support my sketchy research that may or may not be applicable to human exposure - sheesh.
Correlation is not causation, people.
EOM
Conduct the radiation up to your head? Its radiation, from the word radiate! It goes out in all directions! Radiation (at least certain types) needs thick lead to block it. Other types are stopped by your skin. Now why in the world would radiation be conducted by a wire? It would either pass through the wire or be stopped by it.
;).
However, there might be a few other good reasons for not putting a radiation-emitting device in your pants
Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
With cell phones there is a small amount of radiation but....
Your outer skin is dead and acts as a great resistor. The signal does not get through your dead outer skin to the inner living skin to mutate it. Every cell phone goes through tests on this.
Older cell phones did not look into this and there were problems. This is one reason they can't ramp up the power level in the cell phones to improve your signal.
Evolution or ID?
No. They are not. It is rare that mutations improve life... but when they do, they rarely stick around... but sometimes they do.
I've got two cell phones that I carry around... man... I'm frikken doomed!
The $100 billion a year mobile phone industry asserts that there is no conclusive evidence of harmful effects as a result of electromagnetic radiation.
100 billion is rather a lot of cash to lose if this is conclusive so you can bet the "industry" will do everything in its powers to dispute this, tobacco took 50years and still the execs are in denial.
It is intersting though because we used to have discussions in the HAM Radio community about the safety of 144mhz handhelds that could either cook eyeballs if you held it close to your head or your kidneys if you usd a belt pack, granted the power levels are greater in the ham sets (4w) but then cellphones are microwaves which have the potential for more damage at lower ERP levels
so iam sure with 100b on the line the FUD will be squashed just like global warming and the oil industry lobbiests
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to remind me that mutations are almost always beneficial
Most mutations are harmful, or neutral at best. To use the watchmaker analogy, chipping away at the gears of your watch is more likely to break something than to make your watch into an atomic clock.
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Forget the tin-foil hat stuff - the only two solutions are either shield the head or place the transmitter in a relatively remote location. Cell phone manufactueres need only create a phone in two pieces with the high power rf part seperate from the handset. You could place the rf unit only a short distance away (like the back window of your car or on top of the cube wall) and field strength drops dramatically. Link between the handset and the rf unit can be wired or something like bluetooth but will likely be manufacturer proprietary. Forget the science, just sell what people want, whether their wants are based on facts or not.
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Sounds like you and the other fifth graders will have an awesome Summer!!!
People who drive and talk suffer, before or during the fact, brain damage. What the fsck is so important to talk about while driving, anyway?
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you have to die of something...
Most of us would like that something to be old age, far, far in the future.
has been using his cell phone WAY too much :)
So how does this relate to the Slashdot article from yesterday about DNA being used for data storage? It seems to me that that cellphones (and other such devices) are going to continue to proliferate and at the same time DNA does seem promising for data storage. But in light of this new study isn't DNA going to be too unstable and prone to mutations due to the fact we are constantly bombarded with various waves?
If radio waves caused DNA breaks, then we should see lots of tentacled zombies walking out of taxicabs, radio stations, TV stations, cruise-ships, diathermy clinics, radio shacks, microwave oven companies, airline pilots, airport birds, aircraft carrier deck crews, TV reporters, NIST personnel, base-jumpers, helicopter pilots, metal-forging shops, police, fire, utility workers. Cell site repairpersons, microwave signal repeater tower workers, cell-phone testers, walkie-talkie repairfolk, CB radio aficionados, FM and TV tower painters. TV tower red flashy light bulb changers, Pierce Brosnan (fought at the focal point of the Arcibo dish in some paltrily above average Bond movie) If the damage was proportional to the absorbed dose we should see about one out of 23 cell phone users with huge tumors by their ears, smaller suppurating pustules down their cheeks, and just raw purplish open sores over the rest of their heads. I must be hanging around with the wrong crowd.
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Given his powers by a freak mutation caused by talking on his cell phone to much.
With his DNA forever changed he took on the new identity of Cell phone man! Vowing to save the world from the dangers of cell phones and to make sure everyone can always 'hear him now'.
Technology, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.
I recently found out that caffeine causes DNA damage.
They can't make it through the atmosphere, at least, not to sea level That's not to say that there isn't plenty of radiation that does make it through the atmosphere (eg, visible light).
There are reasons why there aren't any ground based x-ray observatories -- they're all space based, such as Chandra and Yohkoh
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except the failure to be able to read or write
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Scientists have created a cellphone cover that grows into a sunflower. I wonder if this means we'll start seeing some mutated plants when these "environment-friendly" casings catch on world-wide.
The biggest things about all of the 'you are going to die' studies is what are the actual odds of getting the negative effects? One in 10? One in 1000?, One million?
Everytime the news says that if you do something you like doing, you increase your risk of such a horrible side effect that even though it would be more likely that you win the lottery, you immediately change your lifestyle to avoid it at all costs.
But put it in perspective. Lets say the odds of getting a harmful side effect from a cell phone is 2%. One statistic pegs driving a car as the leading cause of death for people aged 6 - 27.
Will you put away your cell phone, but contine driving? Everyone knows there are risks driving, but we take it as a reasonable risk because we are aware of the perils involved (bad drivers, weather, etc).
As soon as somebody says that xxxx has a severe side effect, we can't make an informed judgement about it because the media focuses on the horrible death we are all about to receive. Its their job to keep you interested by raising the alarm about evertying
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is a pretty good shield. Your 'boys', however, are not. I'd suggest those of you who carry your phone in your front pocket think about carrying it somewhere else.
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Here's your chance to help humanity. Seriously, just do it.
We did not evolve with a microwave transmitters straped to our heads so guess what? Its bad for you. If we had developed in a setting with high levels of this form of radtion our DNA repair mechanisms would be undoubtly able to deal with it; but such is not the case.
Also, most critical damage will result in either programed cell death (apoptosis) when the cell figures out its scewed or death by necrosis when the cell has been too damged to do anything. The third alternative would be cancer. If anyone is hoping to get a useful mutation that you can pass on to your kids I suggest holding the phone as close as possible to your gonads while in use. If you are lucky your sperm progenator cells (or eggs for the ladies) will pick up the useful mutation and pass it on.
If the rest of us are lucky you will just be sterilized.
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I've just recently started using wifi devices regularly and I generally use wifi for a much longer time than I do cellphones. I kindda worry about it a bit. Does wifi broadcast all the time or just when data is sent?
Does anyone else worry about using wifi notebooks/tablets on their laps?
1. X-Ray linked to DNA damage
....... .......
2. Background radiation linked to DNA damage
3. Alcohol linked to DNA damage
4. Tobacco linked to DNA damage
5. Drugs linked to DNA damage
1000000. Life linked to DNA damage
1000001. Cell phones linked to DNA damage
So what ?
ONLY ionizing radiation can cause dna breakage
Cell phones do NOT emit ionizing radiation, and therefore they can not cause dna breakage and cancer (byproduct of dna breakage). The article does mention SAR of non-ionizing radiation, but those levels are too low to even move molecules.
Non-ionizing radiation is also not cumulative.
This study is spreading FUD.
" In a separate announcement in Hong Kong, where consumers tend to spend more time talking on a mobile phone than in Europe, a German company called G-Hanz introduced a new type of mobile phone which it claimed had no harmful radiation, as a result of shorter bursts of the radio signal."
Non-ionizing radiation is not cumlative, and would not make a difference if the signal was sent in shorter bursts.
I wouldn't be suprised if this research company in Germany is tied to this G-Hanz company (also in Germany)
In China, radiation is always beneficial.
Your children will not be joining Wolverine and Rogue anytime soon.
The cell phone industry issued an internal memo discouraging employees from using the term 'mutation', and instead having them call it 'unanticipated DNA improvements'
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>Your outer skin is dead and acts as a great resistor. The signal does not get through your dead outer skin
Air is an insulator. Insulators don't stop radio waves, though they do stop electrical current.
AP: In an article released in this months New Englund Journal of Medicine, studies have found that the reflective nature of the Tinfoil hat is the problem.
"Most people realize that tinfoil reflects electromagnetic energy, which is correct" - Said Dr. M. Day Shamalan. "However, what they fail to realize is that the tinfoil only covers approximately 60% of the area which leads to the brain.
Dr. Shamalan goes on to say that if the harmful rays are coming from an angle which allows penetration from below the neckline, the tinfoil hat actually MAGNIFIES the harmful rays. "Especially when bonicing between parallel surfaces located on opposite sides of the hat". Further, when the electromagnetic frequencies approach the natural resonant frequency of the tinfoil, or some prime factor thereof, they have the effect of creating an amplifying wave, or even a feedback loop - resulting in exponential increases in cranial cavity temperature, exceeding the boiling point of Oxygen.
Although many mutations don't do anything at all. The DNA might be altered but the same protein ends up being produced during RNA transcription.
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What this study did was what every good study does. It leaves the researchers at an impasse that can only be crossed with more funding.
This is a good example of an excellent study. The results are very important, millions could die horrible deaths and it effects just about every one on the planet. What's a few more million for an extended study when so much is at stake.
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In other words, no news here, move along.
Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
Does this mean if I leave the phone attached to my head for a couple weeks, I's start growing another eye or some other nifty useful attachment?
The study is (as always with cellphones) certainly a source for controversy.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6819
SIG: TAKE OFF EVERY 'CAPTAIN'!!
This is silly, they just have cause and effect backwards. The real truth is that only mutants use their cell phones that much.
Ok, cell phones are evil and it damages your DNA... Again. There's just one thing bothering me though. If cell radiation is so bad for you, WHY ISN'T THE SIDE OF YOUR FACE FALLING OFF? Oh, that's right. This is that extra special radiation that somehow bypasses your skin, punches through bone and only affects the organ of the week. You'd think SKIN CANCER would be tops on the list of afflictions, followed by blindness as it slowly turns your optic nerve to JELLY.
I sure it did kill some cells and damage some DNA in a lab... Just like I'm sure the local environment does everyday. Not that we replace those millions of cells with new ones daily. Now I could accept something about killing braincells. You don't get those back easily so it's at least possible. But that's not the focus of this story, so if it's going to dmage DNA, it's going to damage DNA everywhere.
Why I see flesh rotting off the side of peoples faces as they walk by because of cellular DNA damage, I'll pay homage to this story. Until then it carries the same weight as global warming does-- Not much.
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but your children will turn out as freaks with 6 fingers, three legs, a brain the size of Tokyo and psychic powers...
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That too was declared harmful because of its sheer force and ability to pull (and crash) everthing to earth!! We all turned out okay (I guess).
I believe the association was between Testicular Cancer and radar guns.
There were some court cases over this, with police officers suing radar gun manufacturers over their cancer cases (let's face it, if you lost a testicle(s) and thought it was somebody's fault, you might look for a scapegoat too). There was one study done (about ten years ago, if memory serves) where a cluster of Testicular Cancer cases was noted in State Troopers... the only common thread seemed to be that they all held their hand-held radar gun in their laps.
I don't think the subsequent research ever panned out... so this may turn out to be an urban legend.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
I understand that bluetooth is pretty low power, but what about 802.11 wireless standards? I'm running G in my house and it covers 3 floors, plus you can see it from a block away (thanks WarDrivers! :) )
I peel myself off of the monitor or the computer on my lap.
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That game was loads of fun. What a blast from the past to hear about GammaWorld again. I remember one of my characters was a psychic panther with body armor and mounted weapons. Wild stuff.
[blockquote] None of the world's top six mobile phone vendors could immediately respond to the results of the study.[/blockquote] What??? you mean you called the receptionist at a random office of cell phone companies and she didn't have a prepared scientific study to refute this tripe? shocking!!!
I'm pretty sure that in the case of Goldeneye, Arecibo's transmitters were shut down.
Also, for the final fight scene on the UHF antenna (the weird slotted one with discs hanging downwards), that was staged on a set and not actually shot on Arecibo's UHF antenna. That thing is *damn fragile* and two humans hanging off of it would most likely have destroyed it.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
for those cell phone ear stickies that reduce radiation.
Soon to see on the labels of cell phones:
WARNING: Surgeon General warns that usage of cellular phones may be hazardous to your health.
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Note the icon for this story -- an analog land-line telephone (Western or ITT 500, ca. 1961). No risk because the part you stick up to your head is just a speaker and a microphone in a piece of hollow plastic, and even the desk unit is pretty simple.
Same holds true for more modern landline phones, such as 2500 and Trimline, and even the fancier digital landline sets you sometimes see in offices.
While I use cellular occasionally -- I keep the phone in a fanny pack, at great risk to my reproductive health -- I by and large stick to the land lines, not only for safety and convenience, but also for clarity.
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study linking cell phone use to DNA Damage.
Well, that explains alot. It explains why people run red lights, why people use ambulances and fire trucks on emergency runs to get into and out traffic, and why the fuck people driving SUV's don't pay attention while talking on their goddamn cell phones. It has mutated the DNA in their brains into one giant asshole.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
The sound waves that radiate from cellphone speakers while in use have distracted several automobile drivers, causing accidents resulting in injury and death.
...you wouldn't like me on my cell phone when I'm angry...
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
If the person talking on a cellphone is talking too loudly, then it's the fact that the person is talking too loudly that is annoying. The fact that the person just so happens to be talking on a cellphone while doing it is irrelevant.
I've occasionally been around people who simply talk too loudly to other people.
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This one's simple. Take advantage of the inverse-cube law of radiation and distance and MOVE THE CELLPHONE AWAY FROM YOUR HEAD. Use a cord!
There are a number of "grand, untested social experiments" going on right now, this is just one of them. Convenience outweighs the time delay in testing cellphones on a small subset of the population over a number of years to see what the effects are.
(Offtopic- One of the other untested social experiments going on right now is seemingly every yuppie American family going [perhaps by necessity due to economic stresses] to "dual-income-plus-daycare"... I wonder what effect that will have on a whole generation of kids... Another one is the "easy access to unlimited pr0n for all ages" generational experiment...)
I shit you not. My first phone was a Nokia, I got the model about 10 years ago.
I didn't relate the two for some time, but I started getting a weird sensation on the part of my head near the cellphone. This happend a bunch of times before I made the connection.
The best I could describe it was a cross between pins and needles and holding a hair dryer to close to your head.
Once I made the connection, my cellphone converstation became amazingly brisk (until I got a headset, but even then, rarely used it)
Never experienced that with newer digital or analog models.
I still have the phone around here somwhere as I had planned on trying to figure out if I could measure it somehow.
So what would you use to measure something like that?
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God please let one of these mutations help women drive better on the road. Please I beg of you!!!!!!!!!!!!
These Sunflowers have no chance to mutate. Who are you going to belive? A web article or me? Why should you belive me you ask? I replaced every sunflower seed with a Venus Fly-Trap and now those seeds are going to Mutate! Bwahahahahahahaahahahaha! Every discarded cell-phone will create a monster hell-bent on devouring human flesh. Bow down to your Mutant Flesh-Eating Plant Overlords you human scum!
Oh shit! Did I give away my plan to early? Fuck me, the hero hasn't even broken into my secret lair yet!
What to do... What to do? Hmmmm consulting the 101 things to do when your an evil villian checklist. Damitt! Just says never run your mouth about your evil plots, but nothing about what to do after you already did. Shit!
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I agree with you 100% and I see more flaws in the article:
What was the percentage of cells damaged?
How does that compare to the control group?
What is the correlation (in numbers) between SAR and amount of damage?
How much did results vary (in numbers) between the different samples? (Standard deviation)
What is the probability of causing cancer in x amount of years?
Margin of error?
How does that compare with other agents such as cigarettes or alcohol?
Samples came from one individual or a thousand?
For all I know this could be a terrible extrapolation like: "water causes cancer because a cousing of mine drank a glass of water and got cancer a month later"
I understand they want to make it easy to read for non technical people, but for any scientist worth it's salt, this article is totally meaningless. They could easilly provide links with aditional information and keep the article accesible. The argument "Trust us, we found cell phones are bad" does not count.
People seem to talk louder on cell phones than when talking to one another. Also, I remember reading an article that said it is easier for us to tune out a conversation when we hear both sides of it than when we are hearing only one side. Apparently, a natural reaction is to try to piece together the other side of the conversation.
What bothers me most though is the damn Nextels. These people having their walkie-talkie conversations on speaker phone, punctuating ever sentence with a chirp piss me off. There are times when I've wished they would literally drop dead.
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IMO, one should be more concerned with mosquito bites, chemical mutagens, and if contemplating offspring, teratogens.
Grow GIANT tomatoes! OR Reefer!
You know... species adapting to changes in their environment? Including RF field changes.
Who knows... Maybe the DNA is reprogramming itself to not cause cancer due to near-field RF (assuming it actually did in the first place).
Would the cause of the mutation that gave us the opposable thumb (useful for holding a cel-phone near your head) have been outlawed and feared in its day?
There isn't even agreement on whether earbuds decrease or increase your radiation exposure! It's possible that the wire could act like an antenna and channel the radiation to your head.
My guess is that a Bluetooth earbud could help, since it works through a low-power wireless link.
I guess this explains all the retards driving down the highway with a cellphone stuck to thier heads...
My cell phone. Next upgrade I'm gonna get one to match the tumor growing on the other side.
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Here is a direct quote: "From a scientific point of view, it has to be stated very clearly that the REFLEX data do not prove a causal link between EMF exposure and any adverse health effects." And then, of course, a call for more research... The summary report can be found here: http://www.itis.ethz.ch/downloads/REFLEX_ProgressS ummary.pdf
The full report here:
http://www.itis.ethz.ch/downloads/REFLEX_Final%20R eport_171104.pdf
And he has pretty strong feelings about this. You can read his plight here: http://www.lifeiciency.com/
The wavelength of cell phones frequencies are of the order of magnitude of 10-30 cm in vacuum. In any other material, they are lower (by reasonable factors, depending on the material, e.g. 3). Now I am not saying there cannot possibly be any bad effect, but I would be highly surprised if these waves brought DNA (very small, microns or so?) into resonance.
Optical frequencies are orders of magnitude away from cell phone frequencies, UV even more.
Z (didn't read TFA)
I am curious to know how many metal fillings he has in his mouth....
Just in case you didn't knew. Most mutations kill the one who get them. And if your baby is lucky enough to survive, there is a higher probability that he is born deformed than getting a improvement in his genetic code.
1 out of every 1 person dies. And of that number, 100% die within a year of their last birthday.
It was a joke, dude.
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Doctor: Mayor West, you have Lymphoma.
... Idiotic ... yes.!
Mayor: Oh My.
Doctor: Probably from rolling around in that Toxic
waste. What in God's name were you trying to prove?
Mayor: I was trying to gain super powers.
Doctor: Well that's just silly.
Mayor: Silly yes
The lightning bolts, and the bears, and the bears with lightning bolts in their mouths so when they bark^W growl they shoot lightning bolts at you?
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
Not one study has demonstrated repeatable results of any non-thermal effects. Some positive studies were just poorly done. Others were shining examples of outright fraud, such as the Liburdy (sp?) case at Stanford University a few years ago.
Frankly, if over 100 years of research hasn't turned up any non-thermal effects from RF, then I really wouldn't lose much sleep over this. Those silly researchers are just trying to build a case to do more research. I wish they'd find a better topic...
Nearly fifty percent of all graduates come from the bottom half of the class!
I personally notice physiologic response to using my nokia 3360, including head/ear, hand, and leg sensations depending on where it is located.
:-O
Perhaps HUMANS need to stand in front of airline and cell company profits in the face of emerging proof of RF health risks.
We do not need to experince life inside a metal can with 10s to 100s of wifi and cell transmitters in action with similar frequencies to micro wave ovens
From a quick Google for: [ cell airplane fcc]:
Dec 9th:
Net surfing, cell calls on planes closer
By Paul Davidson, USA TODAY
Want to surf the Net and phone the
office at 35,000 feet?
High-speed Internet and cell phone service
in airplanes moved big steps closer to
reality Wednesday, with regulators paving
the way for both offerings in as soon as two
years....
What are you pretending not to know today?
There are people still playing gamma world!
Awesome!
Not entirely. Wired phones feedback part of the signal from the microphone to the earpiece. This audio feedback is a side-effect of simple analog phone design, but it also serves to help you know the line is live, and help you regulate your volume because you can hear yourself well, and so you assume the other person can hear you.
Cellphones don't provide this feedback. Thus one of the clues you get on a wireline phone is missing. Some people seem to need this clue to help them regulate their volume and some people don't.
Another way that cellphones differ is in audio quality. In general, if you can't hear someone well, you increase the volume at which you speak - this is something we learn when we're very young. Poor cellphone codecs and poor signal strength contribute to the feeling that the other person can't hear you very well, so subconciously you speak louder. Again, different people are affected by this differently, but the effect is pretty common.
So cellphones really are different from wired phones, although not everyone is affected by those differences in the same way.
We're all in ONE N-dimentional universe.
That's how they get away with that "all natural' shit.
The word doesn't mean what you and everybody else but some lawyers thinks it means. Its definition in the dictionary is one thing but legally, it means something else. Namely NOTHING!
Now ALL natural means that it must contain a certain %age of a natural product. Since everything is natural, (unless you're selling extra-dimensional FudgeCicles or something, stuff that the FDA, FBI, CIA, MI6, KGB etc. would want to talk to you about), you're covered. You could be selling ALL natural nuclear sludge shampoo.
Look at her hair glow! Its not the shine the gets from her shampoo, its its glow in the dark. Safe for a week. Then we sell it as a baldness cure.
You can bake cakes containing all natural arsenic and wash them down with all natural hemlock.
The only thing worse is buying "organic" this, that or the other at a grocery store. THAT usually means it came from a warehouse filled with seconds (don't ask,) poor quality control, lousy atmospherics and was tossed onto the truck from at least six feet away.
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ALL my friends have huge ear tumors and suppurating pustules down their cheeks.
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While most scientific research has been focussed on fysical damage caused by heating or ionising effects of radiation, the harmfull effects are not heat or ionisation. The models I have seen see the human body as a container of water, and look at the fysical effect of radiation on the water. (usually none, unless very harmfull). The actual human body is much more complex. We have all kinds of moleculair structures that can in some situations resonate with certain frequencies. EM-waves can affect these moleculair structures only if: the resonationfrequency is neared and if the moleculair structure has magnetic or electric polarity. Or if the structure is a conductor. I haven't seen many scientific research on identifying which structures may be polair or conducting. Most molecules are polair if they are in a reaction. Some identified DNA as a very good conductor, and we all know that nerves are a good conductor too. These structures (DNA/nerves) are large enough to be a resonator. And some polair molecules (including parts of DNA) may have a resonating frequency close to what is transmitted. Inside a living cell, much is vibrating as well. Every part of the cell is vibrating all the time, because moleculair reactions are taking place and because there are molecules moving about. The form of the DNA is also dynamic, because only parts of the DNA are used each time. Radiation of certain frequencies can therefore have stressing effect on DNA, nerves and the moleculair reactions inside cells. These are exactly the effects that we see in practice: Mobile phones can cause stress, change the state of nerves (usally more active), can influence DNA. Now we only have to wait for the scientists to pick up these more accurate models and drop the too simple ones. ;-)
Especially, because I somehow am sensitive to EM-radiation. Many other people I know are, and that means that I get more stressed by them than other people. I can even feel trembling or irritations in my skin and nerves.
I find it strange that science takes soo long to find out what I am already feeling for a long time.
Try this experiment...
- Call someone on your cell phone.
- While talking, cup your hand over your cell phone's antenna (or preferably the entire phone).
- Say "Can you hear me now"
;)
You could even call your your land-line phone so you can hear for yourself that the signal DOES get through your skin with no discernable impairment.Just out of curiosity, where did you hear such a ridiculous claim?
thank god nobody phones me and im too poor to top up my phone
DNA absorbs in the UV spectrum, so cell phone radiation isn't even close. Proteins also absorb in UV (but at a slightly longer wavelength) so I see no reason why this should be true. (the danger)
As your brain cells mutate, and turn into screaming monsters, you might want to check the ingredients of your shampoo and conditioner. A certain common ingredient may help quite that noise. Yes, there could be a reason so many young brains seem already so disconnected: most shampoos contain a chemical that inhibits growth of dendrites and axons. But who needs to depend on such primitive intercellular communications land lines when we've got ... cell phones?
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
Gamma World!!! D&D set in a post nuke world
I thought it was cool problem
nobody every wanted to play it!
So i've found another gammaworld player!! yeehaa
You can breakdown most materials given enough charge (Coulombs) and enough potential difference (volts).
It seems unlikely that a high enough pd is produced by mobile phones to cause breakdown, unless the antenna design is such that the electric field is at a very high level.
More likely is damage due to the old heating effect. Heating effect ultimately varies with field strength at the cell being observed, frequency (rf absorbancy varies with body mass and shape) and exposure time.
Caveat - I'm not a scientist.
That press report ain't scientific!
(I swap from ear to ear - cook both sides evenly as possible).
My hyperlinks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
That'll teach me to carry my cell phone in my pocket so close to my junk. My children are going to be able to stick to walls and control fire.
Looks like I have another reason for hating celphones.
Aluminum foil codpieces.
And you are. . ?
Thanks for backing up your little wall of denial with nothing but air and one fraudulent example I've never heard of and which even you don't know well enough to be assured of its correct spelling. It seems to me that this might be an indicator of just how well you really know the subject matter upon which you are expressing such a final word.
There have been several thousand studies done, and among them I've read some excruciatingly detailed examinations, and they are rather more convincing than your all-caps, bolded, italicized bit of 'nothing'.
-FL
Based on the -many- items I've read, forms of resonance are indeed key. There are, however, a couple of vital elements you are overlooking if your above statements are properly representative of your knowledge on the subject.
Significant in this area are the investigations by a fellow named Robert O. Becker. He is one of the best recognized researchers in the field, so you may already be somewhat aware of his work. If not, then your career-based interest would be well served in looking him up. Cross Currents is available on Amazon for seven bucks plus postage.
If you read, then you have the time, if you surf the web, then you have the money, and if your curriculum vitae are an honest representation, then you also have the background required to benefit strongly.
-FL
tnx for the laugh... good stuff.
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