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This Just In - Gamers Are Human

A new study by the Entertainment Software Association reveals that, amazingly, gamers are regular human beings. The study shows that avid game players are just as religious, artistic, and social as anyone else. From the article: "Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids, they lead responsible and caring lives, balancing their enjoyment of interactive entertainment with many other activities important to a well-rounded lifestyle...Indeed, those who continue to portray the game population as single-minded loafers are living in their own fantasy world."

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  1. I am? by AviLazar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am human? Jesus why didn't someone tell me? Next thing I know they will tell me I'm white.

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    1. Re:I am? by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Negro Please

    2. Re:I am? by Fruvous · · Score: 1

      Read the fine print, They only sureveyed adults. If you're a kid you may still not be human.

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    3. Re:I am? by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      I'm a kid at heart, so what does that say?

      Lethal Weapon Quote: Joe Pesci "But, but, your black!"

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  2. But I'm evil, or so I thought... by Lindsay+Lohan · · Score: 1
    "Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids, they lead responsible and caring lives, balancing their enjoyment of interactive entertainment with many other activities important to a well-rounded lifestyle,"
    Caring and responsible lives? I thought playing games like GTA were rotting my brain and teaching me to kill indiscriminately. Whatevah. Who actually *reads* these "family-friendly" reviews?
    1. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by Bobdoer · · Score: 1

      The same type of peope who buy Super 3D Noah's Ark and other games like that from companies like Wisdom Tree.

    2. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by acidrain69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, that was a pretty reasonable review. They didn't massacre it for it's violence, they just said it wasn't very good for christians.

      I like the quote at the end, " it makes no allowances for the Christian gamer. " Like they expected Rock Star games to have you witness at the end and find Jesus. Lol.

      But seriously, they didn't berate the game, they didn't complain that it was killing society, and why won't someone think of the children? An altogether responsible review. No, I don't agree with their outlook, but I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as they aren't trying to keep ME from playing it.

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    3. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by deus42 · · Score: 1

      Wow, I have the ROM for that, never that this would be in a slashdot post...

    4. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      The same type of peope who buy Super 3D Noah's Ark

      Yeah, that one's pretty gruesome. Your goal is to repel the desperate hordes who are trying to board your ark as the water rises. You get a decent assortment of weapons: broadswords, pots of molten lead, crossbows, barrels of Greek fire, a trebuchet, and big 25-foot long oars. You can either hack them to death on deck, knock them off the sides and let them drown below, or try to sink their lifeboats.

    5. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by bynary · · Score: 1

      Yeah, about that...I opened a present one Christmas morning that was in the shape of a Gameboy game box. I was really excited until I opened the wrapping paper, and there inside was a game title "Joshua." Talk about a letdown. Anyways, the game sucked. It also locked up my gameboy quite frequently. I've also (unfortunately) owned King of Kings, but it is no longer for sale on their website (it was released for the NES). Here's an interesting "article" about the company:
      http://www.geocities.com/tgz6/odd_page_images_file s/About_Color_Dreams.htm

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    6. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      They didn't massacre it for it's violence, they just said it wasn't very good for christians.

      I like the quote at the end, " it makes no allowances for the Christian gamer. " Like they expected Rock Star games to have you witness at the end and find Jesus. Lol.


      How dare they not pander to their special-interest group! ; )

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    7. Re:But I'm evil, or so I thought... by wkitchen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is a reasonable enough review. I would only add that there are also lots of peaceful non-christians who this game also isn't for. I'm an atheist, and I find it offensive too. And no, that doesn't mean I would advocate banning it or anything like that. Censorship is even more offensive.

  3. That's great by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now if only someone could convince my wife...

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    1. Re:That's great by grub · · Score: 1


      Now if only someone could convince my wife...

      I've been there. Unfortunately the only option open to you is divorce, it worked for me.

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    2. Re:That's great by Ramadog · · Score: 1
      Now if only someone could convince my wife...

      Get her playing as well. The trick is to have her computer the same spec as yours. If you beat her in a game, especially a fps, and her computer is lower spec than yours that can lead to trouble.

    3. Re:That's great by smallfeet · · Score: 3, Funny
      Whoa Dude! You divorced your wife so you could keep playing games? You just killed the results from that study.

    4. Re:That's great by arkanes · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife won't play with me any more cause she's competetive and gets mad when I win. If I let her win, she gets madder.

    5. Re:That's great by Ramadog · · Score: 1

      That is when I start losing. Once she gets mad with me she forgets about her health in the game and goes all out to frag me.

    6. Re:That's great by gagge · · Score: 1

      Go for a tie!

    7. Re:That's great by grub · · Score: 1


      No, I'm Canadian but she moved to the US soon after. Now she's your problem. :)

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    8. Re:That's great by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      I find this to be a great twist in the english language: 'to be competetive' = 'being a bad looser'. Now, I can see shapes through the haze of history that would suggest how this phrase came about but still, it is deeply anchored in my mind that in fact the opposite is true. Graceful loosers are really the ones for competition.

      Incidently, my brother with whom I live together is also this competetive. We ceased competing in RTS games after his rage left villages - villages I tell you! - in smouldering ruins.

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    9. Re:That's great by arkanes · · Score: 1
      Being a bad loser has nothing to do with being competetive. But when you're competetive, you by definition care about winning, and don't like it when you lose. Not caring about losing generally means you aren't a very good competitor.

      My wife is both competetive AND a bad loser :P

  4. I disagree by BraceletWinner · · Score: 1

    I am a gamer and most certainly a "single-minded loafer".

    1. re: i disagree by ed.han · · Score: 1

      what if we're more like a single-minded sandal? construction boots?

      OK, sorry: couldn't help myself.

      ed

  5. No... ya think? by hahafaha · · Score: 1

    Wait, so was the general oppinion that they are some wier zombie-like creatures who play Vice City and drink the blood of mortals?

    1. Re:No... ya think? by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      You mean.. they aren't?

      *faint sound of bubble bursting in the background*

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    2. Re:No... ya think? by bwcarty · · Score: 1

      Nah...the opinion now is that they are some weird zombie-like creatures who play GTA: San Andreas, not Vice City. The blood drinking is a given.

  6. well ... by crazy_speeder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    well duh!!

  7. Also... by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news: 1) Slashdot.com is a Website! 2) Apple makes computers! 3) Chickens are just birds! 4) Microsoft is a company! 5) Water is wet!

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    1. Re:Also... by Xerp · · Score: 1

      OMG! WTF!

    2. Re:Also... by daevux · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news: 1) Slashdot.com is a Website! 2) Apple makes computers! 3) Chickens are just birds! 4) Microsoft is a company! 5) Water is wet! I don't know what's funnier. That post or the fact that it was mod'd "insightful" :-/

    3. Re:Also... by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's not funny nor insightful if the article already makes this "it's obvious" point in it's subject ...

      Knowing that Games in general are not a subset of the population means that we are a demographic which can be a good thing as companies start thinking of us a targe audience.

      This might mean more games.

      It also might mean more advertising in game :-/

    4. Re:Also... by 404notfound · · Score: 1

      BBQ?

    5. Re:Also... by acidrain69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Knowing that Games in general are not a subset of the population means that we are a demographic which can be a good thing as companies start thinking of us a targe audience.

      What?!? Run that by me again. How does not ebing a subset of the population make one into a demographic? It's that what a demographic IS? A category to put someone in? Hence, a SUBSET?

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    6. Re:Also... by fwitness · · Score: 1

      Did you see those 'Awards' on SpikeTv? Obviously not everyone believes gamers are normal people, as that show was obviously targeted to a different demographic then this study indicates.

      Penny Arcade commented on this a while ago. The situation remains unchanged.

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    7. Re:Also... by 404notfound · · Score: 1

      Bah. Misreply. Disregard.

    8. Re:Also... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I have not yet seen any conclusive proof that water is, indeed, wet. I makes SOME things wet, but that is no proof that it is wet itself.
      Hmmm, is this one of those cases where a property inherits backwards to it's parent object? Or is it a method......

    9. Re:Also... by dynamo_mikey · · Score: 1

      how about slashdot.ORG :)

      The point is that gamers are generally more like the mainstream than you might think if you were a fly on the wall of a computer lab at a major university on a Saturday night.

      -dynamo

    10. Re:Also... by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in Michigan, and at this time of year water is, indeed, not all that wet at all.

    11. Re:Also... by rasty · · Score: 1

      But can you prove that black is white and white is black without getting killed at the next zebra crossing?

    12. Re:Also... by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      3) Chickens are just birds!

      Oh, yeah? When did you see another bird to dumb to fly away when given a chance or a Kentucky Fried Pigeon? Oh, wait a sec . . . the original comparison was between gamers and regular people . . . never mind, I take it back. Just us birds here. :>

    13. Re:Also... by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 1
      Sigh. What I meant was that we are not a particular demographic that are also "Gamers" that we run the gamet of demographics in addition to that of Gamers.

      Currently we are categorized as "people who live in their mother's basement and annoy comic book store owners with long arguments about Wolverine vs. Spiderman".

      I must have been drinking when I posted the original -- I don't usually have a dozen spelling mistakes either :-)

    14. Re:Also... by ricotest · · Score: 1

      Then it's no longer water :)

    15. Re:Also... by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      I think what he was trying to say is that now that marketers see that gamers are a demographic which is not wholly isolated (i.e. has other interests outside of gaming), they'll start catering to us (i.e. using video games to advertise other products). As an aside... I hardly notice that Axe Body Spray billboard that repeats throughout Burnout 3, but I do get a kick at the one with Tiger Woods angrily pointing at me whenever I crash. It's like he's saying "take that, ASSHOLE!!!!!"

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  8. Ominous by UWC · · Score: 1
    Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids...

    This sounds more ominous in print that I think was its intention. It's the pod people! Or iPod people, maybe?

    1. Re:Ominous by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I think it's kind of like telling people who are so spasmically afraid of germs that everything in the world is effectively coated in a thin film of bacteria and other microorganisms.

      By doing this, the goal could be to do one of two things:

      A. Force them to see (even if they won't acknowledge it) the fact that gamers are not bad people. They're everywhere, we all have contact with them. You don't realize it because they're exactly the same as anybody else. There are just so many of them that even a miniscule killing drive imparted on them by gaming would produce an immense army of thugs and killers.

      B. If they refuse to see "the light," or change their view, they've now been plunged into a situation where they are beset on every side by an invisible army. Like the obsessive complusives who imagine bacteria crawling over every inch of their skin and go though two cans of lysol a day trying to stem their spread, they have to crank up their efforts to "protect" themselves agaisnt gamers to such a point that they will hopefully damage their own credibility.

  9. Did society invert nerds and 'normal' people? by CdXiminez · · Score: 2, Funny

    So... Gamers are normal and non-gamers are the exception?

  10. covert to become a gamer? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids, they lead responsible and caring lives, ...

    Crap, maybe I should become a gamer afterall.

  11. It's a conspiracy by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

    Egads, they are everywhere. Even in the State Department. I cannot continue to sit back and allow gamer subversion, gamer indoctrination, and the international gamer conspiracy to sap and impurify, all of our precious bodily fluids.

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    1. Re:It's a conspiracy by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of a gaming clan?!"

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  12. I resent that. by LegendOfLink · · Score: 1

    You know what, maybe you are human and your parents and most of the people you deal with on a daily basis...BUT

    I am a mushroom-eating, fireball spitting, red-blooded plumber!

    We have feelings too.

    1. Re:I resent that. by Gibble · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...given your username I would have thought you liked to wear a green tunic and cap, carrying a sword...

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  13. Amazing.... by Hallowed · · Score: 1

    Hopefully the next thing they figure out about gamers is that violent games to not creat violent people......

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    1. Re:Amazing.... by flewp · · Score: 1

      They've also discovered that those grammar and spelling educational games don't work either...

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  14. Oh, right. by Pflipp · · Score: 1

    So no they're all responsible all of a sudden.

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  15. Finally!! by paulschroeder · · Score: 1

    Something I can post on the basement door to keep my parents from bothering me while I'm playing Halo 2 online! Thanks, Entertainment Software Association!!!

  16. I noticed somethinmg missing by AviLazar · · Score: 1

    Forty-five percent of gamers volunteer at an average 5.4 hours per month.
    Sixty-one percent of game players engage in some type of religious activity for several hours each month.
    Ninety-three percent of game players read books or daily newspapers, while sixty-two percent often attend cultural events, such as concerts, museums, or the theater.
    Fifty percent spend time painting, writing, or playing an instrument.

    Ninety-four percent follow news and current events, and 78 percent report that they vote in most of the elections for which they are eligible.

    Yes my religious activity involves the porceline gods.

    I noticed that I didn't see a number for the amount of gamers going out on dates? So is that like 0% go out on dates? Given a margin of error of 2-3%, so are we to say that maybe 3% of gamers go out on dates?

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    1. Re:I noticed somethinmg missing by Greg@UF · · Score: 1

      I tried going out on dates, but my wife found out and it all ended badly....

      Safer to stick to the games!

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  17. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1
    gamers are regular human beings
    Unpossible!
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  18. well by revery · · Score: 1

    except for us robots...

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  19. Enough by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Insightful
    > A new study by the Entertainment Software Association reveals that, amazingly, gamers are regular human beings.

    I mean, really.

    > The study shows that avid game players are just as religious, artistic, and social as anyone else.

    I'm a tolerant dude, and all, but...

    > From the article: "Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids, they lead responsible and caring lives, balancing their enjoyment of interactive entertainment with many other activities important to a well-rounded lifestyle...

    ...but this is pretty much over the line. I mean really...

    > Indeed, those who continue to portray the game population as single-minded loafers are living in their own fantasy world."

    ...I have no reason to stand around here and be insulted like this! ENOUGH! Where's my crowbar?

    1. Re:Enough by CptSkydrop · · Score: 1

      Where's my crowbar?

      You left it in the black mesa research facility?

  20. How much longer ... by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    How much longer until comic book store owners are declared human?

  21. Damnit there goes my excuse by Orcspit · · Score: 1

    Now what excuse am I gonna use to explain to my girlfriend why I lock myself in my room to "Play video games." Damnit why don't you just teach her how to find .mpg and .jpg files on my system.

    1. Re:Damnit there goes my excuse by xXDarkNinjaXx · · Score: 1

      Dear Parent's Girlfriend,

      if *nix {
      find / -iname '*.jp*g'
      find / -iname '*.mp*g'
      }
      else {
      throw / -outwindow
      }

  22. Really? by CypherXero · · Score: 1

    Tell that to the people trying to get level-ups in evercrack.

  23. Speak for yourselves by carcosa30 · · Score: 1

    I'm a single-minded loafer.

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  24. sappy by SoupGuru · · Score: 1

    Just think of all the horrible events in history that can be attributed to one group of people persecuting another group. Regardless of what group you belong to, you're not all that different from anyone else. The more we realize that, the better off we'll all be.

    maybe we need more studies telling us obvious things.

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  25. Obviously by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Gamers are human? I knew that.

    Now, Slashdotters, on the other hand....

  26. And in other news, 95% of gamers are liars..... by TrekCycling · · Score: 1

    Well.... come on. :-)

  27. But.. But.. by SirFozzie · · Score: 1

    I spent all this time building myself up to the ideal geek stereotype. And all this time, they've lied to me. LIED I TELL YOU!

    All this time chasing the perfect stereotype, ruined!

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  28. Industry says it's customers aren't losers. . . by brukman · · Score: 1

    I hear the CTA (Crack Trafficing Association) did a study which showed crack users are kind to animals and generally charming party guests.

  29. Straw man down! by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Y'know, it's possible to argue that certain games are inappropriate for young children or that 130 hours a week of EQ is unhealthy and still recognize that gamers aren't a uniform mass of dysfunctional, homicidal teenagers.

    We get a story like this ("Many Gamers Not Psychopaths!" or "Games Good For A Small Part Of Your Brain!") twice a week, always with this triumphant spin as though something significant has been rebutted.

    1. Re:Straw man down! by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

      We get a story like this ("Many Gamers Not Psychopaths!" or "Games Good For A Small Part Of Your Brain!") twice a week, always with this triumphant spin as though something significant has been rebutted.

      It's to accompany the "senile politician/lawyer attempts to ban videogames" stories we also get twice a week.

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    2. Re:Straw man down! by Otter · · Score: 1

      Sure, I realize that, but that's my point -- all those criticisms and measures, whether sensible, misguided or idiotic, are translated into "Mean Old Grouch Says Gamers Are Evil!". And then another return shot is fired with "Study Shows Many Gamers Not Entirely Subhuman!" The major point that's demonstrated is the complete unwillingness to try to understand where the criticisms are coming from.

    3. Re:Straw man down! by edraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention, if you're looking to convince someone who believes otherwise they're unlikely to put much faith in a study by a body called the Entertainment Software Association. Consider how /.-ers react to studies about Windows security and/or reliability from Microsoft. A skeptic is likely to remain skeptical, and with good reason.

    4. Re:Straw man down! by mattgreen · · Score: 1

      At least half of Slashdot's stories consist of preaching to the choir what they want to hear.

  30. Slashdot by Novous · · Score: 1

    News for Nerds. Stuff that kinda sorta maybe matters but mostly kinda sortof just doesn't. ;)

  31. Something I've noticed by bonch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Something I've noticed is that it's become okay to be a gamer, even a computer gamer. When I first got into computers in the seventh grade, you were a nerd if you chatted with your friends via text. A mere three years later, and it was hip to be chatting your friends on Yahoo or AIM. Jocks and trendy girls were sending e-mails to each other, and it was okay.

    While it was kind of hypocritical, it is cool because the result since has been that the image of a gamer is more mainstream now. In fact, I've noticed a lot more older gamers these days, which is natural since the people who first played Super Mario Bros. in the 80s are grown adults now, often with families, who still follow gaming. But I think the barriers of age, social class, and so on have kind of broken down. Though you still have gamers even other gamers won't touch, like EQ2 players. ;) The nerds of nerds.

    All in all, though I think gaming companies are in trouble, the gamer is doing pretty well these days. And yes, we are human.

    1. Re:Something I've noticed by dynamo_mikey · · Score: 1

      I didn't know I was "old" until I read this. "Older gamers" played super mario bros? What about the guys who started with Atari's Adventure and Intellivision's Utopia?

      Thanks for ruining my week, I'm gonna go find a console game to play for about 48 hours and try and numb the pain.

      -dynamo

    2. Re:Something I've noticed by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      i'm 18 and used to play super mario bro's - dont worry about it...

    3. Re:Something I've noticed by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about the guys who started with Atari's Adventure and Intellivision's Utopia?

      Ahh, Adventure. Played that one all the time, I did. And I tied and onion to my pants, which was the fashion at the time...

      *snore*

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    4. Re:Something I've noticed by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      How about those of us who played Collossal Cave and Zork? Or listened to Bunkner & Garcia's "Pac Man Fever" when it was Top-40? Or can immediately remember, with crystal clarity, the sound the marching Space Invaders made as they trudged across the screen ..

      Yep, we're old now.

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    5. Re:Something I've noticed by PriceIke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not just ok to be a geek. It's encouraged. You have an entire billion-dollar industry striving to make computer games cool. Why? Because games drive the industry. Newer, cooler games demand faster, more powerful computers. Faster computers demand more memory, new OSs, etc etc. Faster computers allow game developers to push the limts even further, and around the circle turns. Nobody wouldn't buy a whole new computer to run Office 2004, but they would to be able to play Halo 2.

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    6. Re:Something I've noticed by Psmylie · · Score: 1
      Back in my day, onions were called "stink blossoms" and were used by young gentlemen to court their lady friends (the smell was thought to ward off unhealthy humours). And we didn't have no fancy ee-lec-tronic mp3 players to listen to our music as we walked. No, we had to strap a hand-crank phonograph to our chests if we wanted to have portable music, and we had to change the wax cylinders every time we wanted to listen to a new song.

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to dance the Charleston when you have over a hundred pounds of musical gear and recordings about your person? We looked so comical that the ladies of the time would simply laugh at us and turn up their noses. It was so difficult to get a lady interested in you that the entire human race was in danger! Fortunately, the complete lack of prophylactics helped to ensure both a new generation of human beings and of STD's.

      Errrm... There's really no point to this other than the fact that I'm really tired and my caffeine just wore off. Sorry, please move along.

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    7. Re:Something I've noticed by Darkangael · · Score: 1

      You will probably find that a lot of things which are now "cool" originated with "nerds" first ;)

    8. Re:Something I've noticed by databyss · · Score: 1

      Go hit up some negative levels in Super Mario Bros...

      That should keep you occupied for quite a bit.

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    9. Re:Something I've noticed by dabigpaybackski · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Your quip may be closer to the truth than you think.

      I remember having one particularly vicious depressive fit one dark winter day. My solution was to go out and purchase a copy of Syphon Filter 2 for Playstation and play through the game in it's entirety in one sitting. A bit extreme, perhaps, but from that strangely cathartic experience I concluded that there's something potentially constructive in becoming engrossed in a video game to the extent that a negative mental trip has no place to reside and fester.

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    10. Re:Something I've noticed by RubberChainsaw · · Score: 1

      Though you still have gamers even other gamers won't touch, like EQ2 players.

      If they'd just bathe once in awhile..

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    11. Re:Something I've noticed by Meagermanx · · Score: 1

      I'm 16. Started playing when I got my first NES at 6... After that is all a blur.

    12. Re:Something I've noticed by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 1

      First computer: MC-10
      First console: Pong
      First cartrige console: 2600
      First "portable" game system: Vectrex
      First IM: 300 baud modem connection to friend's computer
      First admin job: maintained WildCat! BBS for employer

      I'm only 31 but I feel real old after saying that. The upside: I still game a lot, only this time I can afford a good PC and all the consoles and games my heart desires. :D

  32. In der n00z by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Gamers Are Human Beings!"--announces Industry Group

    "People with money are people"--reveals Las Vegas Visitors Bureau

    "Bill O'Riley isn't an evil git"--proclaims his mum

    "Gays aren't people, too!"--admits Karl Rove

    "Moderators are nearly human"--slashdot

    "first posters are fairly human"--slashdot

    "A sufficiently patched hack-job is indistinguishable from actual security until later notice"--Microsoft rolling out any new release

    "Will Eisner, still dead."--everyone BUT slashdot

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  33. Lacking information. by rackhamh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anybody have a link to the full study?

    This article doesn't seem especially informative. It basically just says that gamers spend more time non-gaming than they do gaming, and that they participate in many of the most common mainstream activities.

    What it doesn't provide, however, is any comparison to statistics for non-gamers, including obesity rates and total time spent partipating in cultural events.

    It also doesn't provide definitions for many of its activities. Does "theater" include "movie theater"? Does "daily newspaper" include Slashdot?

    No, we really need more information...

  34. Sex by scottennis · · Score: 1

    game players spend more than three times the amount of time exercising or playing sports, volunteering in the community, reading, or engaging in religious, creative, and cultural activities than they do playing video games.

    Is sex a religious, creative, or cultural activity?

    1. Re:Sex by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      "Is sex a religious, creative, or cultural activity?"

      All of the above!

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    2. Re:Sex by theJmtz · · Score: 1

      All 3 if you do it right.

    3. Re:Sex by macrealist · · Score: 1

      Is sex a religious, creative, or cultural activity?
      no, it's exercise

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  35. article is rude and offensive by testednegative · · Score: 1

    But it is good to know that so many gamers exercise and are involved in sports, and that their love for games has not made them sedentary

    My chair takes offense to that. We have been through better and through worse then these "scientists" come with "research" to say we are not "sedentary".
    BLASPHEMY !

  36. What about Deep Blue? by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

    Are game-playing computers considered human, too?

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  37. My first attempt at this one... by deft · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new human overlords.

    ok, that sucked. This would have been more kickass if the news was tha gamers were aliens, robots, or at least some sort of mildly aaggressive animal. Human... just no punch to it :(

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  38. The unfortunate part by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1
    The sad thing is, since the ESA put out this study, all the critics who are saying that all gamers live up to the stereotypes will either
    • Never see it.
    • Dismiss it entirely.
    • Claim it's biased because of the source.
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    1. Re:The unfortunate part by cjrichard · · Score: 1

      Isn't the whole thing a bit contradictory? When they say "gamers". I presume they mean people who play games A LOT, as their primary hobby - otherwise most nearly all people are gamers. Now, if gamers spend a lot of time playing games, of course they are going to miss out on other social or cultural activites. If they don't play a lot, they have time for other stuff and they are classed "normal". So what is this article saying?

  39. Origins of the Myth by Thunderstruck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the risk of saying something other than, "Well duh... who posted this?!"

    I think the great engine behind the "popular" image of gamers as loafers stems from marketing rather than popular experience. I see "gamers" depicted in television advertising regularly. It always has 2-3 guys in their early 20's sitting in a dark room, on the couch, surrounded by junk food and illuminated by the blue glow of a television. I see this almost every time I turn on "The Simpsons."

    By contrast, in real life I've only seen this environment a handful of times. Now why exactly the marketing folks think telling me I can be like the balding guy on the couch is going to get me to buy their game, I don't know. Maybe the answer is that gamer/loafers tend to wind up in marketing?

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    1. Re:Origins of the Myth by edp927 · · Score: 1

      I think they're trying to show that (their) games are so good that you will want to play them to the exclusion of hygiene. They don't need to show how cool you will look playing them, since no one will be looking.

  40. This just in: Video Games are Popular! by dextr0us · · Score: 1

    So, even though video games can be compared to movies in terms of sales (I know its often misleading,but the fact that they can even compare is noteworthy) people think that so-called 'gamers' are another culture?

    wow.

    +1 Interesting.

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  41. This just in - slashdot illogical by esmoothie · · Score: 1

    I just don't know what to believe!!! Earlier today slashdot tells me that gamers are delusional but now slashdot tells me they are regular! Thus, am I to conclude that regular people are delusional? But that contradicts the definition of regular. This is very troubling.

  42. As oppsed to chatters by magarity · · Score: 1

    Gamers ... balancing their enjoyment of interactive entertainment with many other activities important to a well-rounded lifestyle.

    As opposed to chatters, I assume. My roommate discovered ICQ and hasn't been seen in public for about 9 months now. He eats while standing in the kitchen because presumably going to the dining room to sit down would take too much time from in front of his computer. After coming home from work, it's straight to the computer and when getting up he's usually a hurry to get to work on time because morning chats run to the last possible second.

  43. I'm not sure about this by SunFan · · Score: 1


    Walking around Wal-Mart the other day, I noticed that all the kids in the electronics section were overweight (shorter and fatter than even me). I live in an area with below-average obesity rates, and, in general, there should have been a mix of regular-sized people with one or two fat people. Please tell me the statistical correlation here is imagined.

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    1. Re:I'm not sure about this by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      How did they compare to everyone else in Wal-Mart? Perhaps there is a correlation, just not the one you were thinking of ...

    2. Re:I'm not sure about this by SunFan · · Score: 1


      Even for Wal-Mart, these kids were butterballs. It wasn't encouraging.

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  44. I WILL NEVER FALL INTO YOUR CONSPIRACIES, BITCH! by xcfx · · Score: 1

    Bullshit, Gamers, Richard Stallman and his followers are a bunch of sick perv satanic aliens!

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  45. don't believe it by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    With real living flesh-and-blood girlfriends? Naaaawwww. You are trolling my leg

  46. From Slashdot by Tolookah · · Score: 1

    From: Slashdot Users To: Entertainment Software Association You must be new here... I'm really supprised I didn't see a post saying that already... gamers are comprised of mechanical robots, software bots and teenagers, which are definitely not human... (well, maybe the mechanical robots)

  47. I'm in the other half... by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    10/ More than half of game players expect to be playing as much or more 10 years from now as they do today.

    I burned out and needed to be replaced. I thank whomever took my place in handing $,$$$ each year over to the fine people who make and sell games. With whatever is left of my hand/eye coordination I do crossworld puzzles and drink a lot of beer.

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  48. Re:What the Fuck??? by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Is today a slow news day or what? We've got this non-story. Then we have...

    This story seems to be about how people perceive video games and the people who play them. Since a huge slice of Slashdotters likely are also gamers, this probably is of interest to more people than you might think.

    One of the reasons I like Slashdot is that it goes beyond the same tech stories I could find at any number of other sites. Slashdot is an online magazine of geek culture, and that culture includes plenty of things beyond new *NIX applications.

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  49. Gamers are everywhere by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
    Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids


    NOOO! I'm surrounded by them! Help!
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  50. Re:What the Fuck??? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quit yer bitchin'.

    As a gainfully employed 35-year-old techie (not so much a gamer, but that's largely due to lack of time) who exercises and bathes regularly, owns his own home, and has a sex life, I get really goddamn tired of all the geek stereotyping (fat smelly unepmployed virgins living in their parents' basements, etc.) It's especially annoying here on /. -- don't we get enough of that from the rest of the world? -- but wherever it comes up, it's useful to have this kind of information to counter it.

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  51. Gamers are better off... by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    than a lot of other people. They usually have access to computers, games and the luxury of entertainment - something a lot of people do not.

    IMHO, it would be great if more people remembered that:

    • Poor people are humans.

    • Drug addicts are humans.
      Gays are humans.
      Alcoholics are humans.
      Smokers are human.
      Disabled/handicapped people are humans.
      People that don't agree with you are humans.
      People with different religions beliefs are humans.
      People of other races are humans.
      .
      .
      .

      These are people who need to recognition the most and society tends to forget their humanity when convenient to do so.

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    1. Re:Gamers are better off... by quantax · · Score: 1

      You are spot on and have stated the most basic yet fundamentally important (but overlooked) thing when trying to understand other humans. I think something a lot of people forget at times is that people are people and always will be people. This may seem simple, stupid, or quaint, but I've found it helps explain things when you're intent on viewing a group/person as something thats something other than human. Generally speaking, people do things for reasons, human reasons, and theres a decent chance that if you were put in similar circumstances, you would find yourself reacting similarly. This naturally does not apply to all things, but as a general rule, its good to remember when you find yourself trying to figure out why people do the things they do.

      As for this article, I find it rather ridiculous given that as of the end of 2003, nearly 100 million units total had been sold of ps2s, xboxes, and gamecubes. This includes people who may have bought multiple systems, but yea, lets say 50 million people, a majority of them in Japan, Europe and the USA. Thats bigger than the total populations of most countries in the EU; safe to say that video games have been mainstream since after the PS1 emerged several years ago and this is ignoring computer gaming. This article may have been relevant back then.

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    2. Re:Gamers are better off... by randallpowell · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the Bush Administration.

  52. Maybe I am just old by krgallagher · · Score: 4, Interesting
    but when I grew up everyone was a gamer. I played dominos with my grandmother. I played Scrabble with my aunt - a librarian. I played cards with everyone I knew. I played Chess with my best friend. I played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, and even doctor with the girl down the street. When I was young I would watch as my parents got together with other couples for Forty-Two tournaments. In college we had marathon Dungeons and Dragons games. Even today I am just as happy playing cards with friends as I am playing online. Maybe happier, the conversation is better.

    What is it about mainstream culture that has made entertainment something you watch rather than participate in. Isn't it more likely that sports fans are the ones that are not execising, going to church and voting. "Can't right now babe, the game is on." OK that is probably a personal bias since I don't watch sports. Still I do not get this attitude that gaming is somehow bad for you. Where did it come from?

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    1. Re:Maybe I am just old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not sure TV is viewed as being acceptable entertainment either. I seem to recall about a decade or so a lot of fuss over TV watching habits, the rise of violence on TV etc. Some dork made a V-Chip, it wasn't really what anyone truly wanted, it's mostly forgotten (except to /.). Now it's games. In 30 years it'll be VR or some other mental pornography. This is junk science.

      The entire premise of an article that suggests "Gamers Are Normal" is flawed. Is it abnormal to entertain yourself? Since when? History suggests never.

      The intellectual elite has been bemoaning the "poor quality" of passive entertainment for centuries (yeah, before TV!). Shakespeare didn't write books so much as he made plays, for people to watch! The trouble with plays are that you have to go out on the town to get to them, sit in a crowded room with lots of people and maybe not be able to see or hear. TV is Shakespeare in a box! (And before you get hung up on his genius, consider his subject matter is not more or less intellectual than your average episode of Friends, he simply presents it with greater skill)

      People enjoy both passive and active entertainment and have for a long time. Dancing for example is active entertainment from time forgotten. Cards as you mentioned are another form, even solitaire is active entertainment with just one person! Again these forms of active entertainment had problems (getting people together, matching schedules, finding quality opponents, etc.) Video Games are an answer to this.

      What's so new here to lead us to this "Gamers May Be Abnormal" conclusion? Nothing, except perhaps VIDEO GAMES, originally marketed to young children (like me, now grown) are working their way in to culture and refining themselves. The next excuse is that gamers, like couch potatoes, are not getting enough physical excersize...Games are ruining our bodies! Oh No! Then someone is going to invent VR games or the like, and mark my words, there will be equal backlash. It's new, it seems different, something must be wrong!

      Only here on /. though do I get quite the same sense of either self-conciousness or self-loathing about the subject. Most of my non-"geek" friends who are around my age or lower play games without thought. If they have to sneak, it's because their particular SO doesn't approve usually due to wanting attention or chores done. That's not a new problem either.

    2. Re:Maybe I am just old by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're pretty much spot on. It's part of the growing pains of any new type of media/entertainment, and the attacks come from a few angles.

      There's the "When I was your age, I didn't need that" deal, which is more a resistence to change or just a misunderstanding of how/why changes are happening.

      It's a more valid complaint, which TV also gets, that video games are both less physical and less social than many other forms of entertainment, and this can lead to people sort of losing touch with reality. Sure, this doesn't happen to everyone, or even to a majority, but it's still a concern. Online gaming is also making video games more social, although at the moment, it's pretty hit or miss.

      There's also a valid argument that parents can allow the TV/nintendo to babysit their children too much, and with various negative results appearing in some cases. This is arguably a social problem, not an inherent problem with games, but it's hard to seperate them sometimes.

      So why don't books get the same bad rap? They can lead to the same things. I think as games have progressed, they're developing a lot more potential to provide a similar intellectual stimulation that reading can do. But this has take time, and will continue to evolve. Playing pac-man for nine hours a day would make you a better pac-man player, but I don't think it'd do much else for you. While reading for nine hours a day would help you read faster, help your writing and communicating abilities, increase your vocabulary, etc. And if you're reading good stuff, you might learn something.

      There are, of course, crap books as well, I'm not sure why they don't take that much flak. Probably because they've been around long enough that people got tired of complaining.

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    3. Re:Maybe I am just old by Dougie+Cool · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's because there's an obvious divide between the people who compain about video games and the people who play video games. The people who complain about video games (at least, complain about the effects of video games on people who aren't them) are not the people who play the video games; those people are fine with the video games.

      There is no one who doesn't read books, you see.

      OK, tell a lie. There are plenty of people who don't read books, and you can find them all on faceparty (lol I dont read bookz thats sad), but none of them complains about the effects books have on society because a) books have no effect on society, and b) people who don't (can't) read books are effects on society.

      But if the people who complain about video games making you sit around antisocially, or just on your own for a while, also applied the same logic to books, then they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, because they read books themselves. You can't for a minute think that someone would complain about something they actually know anything about, now, surely?

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  53. Killjoy by Boglin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Not to be a wet blanket, but the Entertainment Software Association doesn't exactly sound like the most unbiased source. While my personal intuition would lend me to believe their results, the whole point of doing these studies is that personal intuition is full of crap.

    If Pat Robertson had published a study saying that 83% of all gamers are pedophiles, we would have screamed that the study was obviously biased. Well, if we're going to convert over people who are actually against games, we're going to need studies that aren't going to appear totally biased to the Censor-Happy crowd.

    1. Re:Killjoy by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      its like marlboro telling you smoking cleans out all the pollution you normally breath in, or kills bacteria or something

  54. Ah... by Film11 · · Score: 1

    Oh... well I certainly dont do games and other activities on that ratio.. perhaps probably the opposite :x How many gamers did the person study anyay?

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  55. DDR is exercise, right? by teneighty · · Score: 1

    "...the Hart research found that 79 percent of all game players report exercising or playing sports at an average of 20 hours a month.

    ...but only if Dance Dance Revolution counts as exercising.

    In all seriousness though, I remember someone on slashdot reported successfully using DDR as a way to work off some excess fat. What I'm *really* waiting for though, is a full body motion simulator so I can play Counter Strike "in game". There's no better form of exercise than running for your dear life.

  56. Aight... by N4DMX · · Score: 1

    I put on my robe and wizard hat... :-)

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  57. Slashdotters...normal? by methangel · · Score: 1

    No, I don't think so. I think the typical Slashdotter (myself included) falls into a different category that I like to call "Creepy CS."

    I give people I meet in real life that show a bit of computer/coding proficiency a test shortly after meeting them. (New co-workers, etc)

    The test is simple, "Do you read Slashdot?" ... so far nobody has answered "Yes" .. they usually answer with "Slash WHAT?!"

    How creepy is that?

    Anyways, going to social events and playing musical instruments cuts into my coding time.

    That report is also kind of biased -- most creepy CS wouldn't allow any information about them to be taken.

    Ok, I'll leave now.

  58. Gamers Are Not Human. They are Evil! by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 1

    Well that would be according to people like Gov. Rod Blagojevich of Illinois at least. (Who secretly probably plays way too much Leisure Suit Larry)

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  59. People are Stupid by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

    The problem with this is that the average person is fucking stupid. I once heard a person remark "Video games? Well, I don't have anything against them..." when people should just realize that VIDEO GAMES ARE ANOTHER ENTERTAINMENT MEDIUM. I was so stupefied by that remark that I didn't reply "Books? Well, I don't have anything against them..."

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    1. Re:People are Stupid by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      The only difference being of course that a soccer mom will apologize right before she cuts someone else off.

      It's odd, I could say I have nothing against coffee, but then I'd be lying. Most likely the person who told you 'I have nothing against...' really meant he/she doesn't find the activity offensive, but merely boring.

      She's probably scared she would have to try a game, and isn't prepared to be that tolerant.

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    2. Re:People are Stupid by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

      Most likely the person who told you 'I have nothing against...' really meant he/she doesn't find the activity offensive, but merely boring.

      Whenever I hear someone saying something like that, to me it sounds like they dislike said activity, but they don't care if other people do it, while at the same time believing that there is a set of people who do believe that said activity do care about that activity because it is the "new evil" or something. I figure it will just take some time, hopefully we'll get over it just like radio and rock music.

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  60. Duh... by AfterSchoolSpecial · · Score: 1

    "...and in other news, three repeated blows to the head can cause brain damage. This, as reported by the medical journal 'Duh'"

    -paraphrasing Norm MacDonald on SNL's "Weekend Update"

  61. Re:Now what do I do? by Dasein · · Score: 1

    No, run gentoo.

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  62. Gamer Smith by DanTheLewis · · Score: 1
    Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone.
    They can move in and out of any software still hard wired to their system. That means that anyone we haven't unplugged is potentially an agent. Inside the Matrix, they are everyone and they are no one.
    I, for one...

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    A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
  63. Scary by TorKlingberg · · Score: 1

    Gamers are everywhere and they're everyone. They are your friends, neighbors, co-workers, relatives, and kids Scary, isn't it?

  64. Things have changed by loom_weaver · · Score: 1

    When I was in high school in the 80s it was really only kids who played console games or went to arcades. It was really strange to see someone past high school playing games. The older people I saw in the arcades were usually college aged bums wearing jean jackets who smoked alot. And parents... they never played games back then. Unheard of!

  65. Great! When do the other studies come out? by jackrd · · Score: 1

    This just in! (white | black | asian | hispanic | *) (female | male | *) (democrat | republican | *) (christians | muslims | buddhists | *) that (use drugs | are homosexual | are unemployed | have differing beliefs | *) are human, too!

    Unfortunately, until those studies come out, we'll just have to keep assuming that they're evil and deserving of whatever persecution we deem necessary.

  66. What about the rest of the time? by Synon · · Score: 1

    So, the 'causual' gamers who spend about 6.8 hours spend 23.4 doing other stuff. And the avid gamers who spend 11+ spend 34.5 doing the other stuff. But when do they reach the threshold of the 3:1 ratio they are talking about? It would seem like the more time you spend on games, the less time you would have doing everything else. It be even more interesting to see what that first group is doing with the other hours not being used to game, exercise, be social, etc.

  67. That's three... by Rirath.com · · Score: 1

    First the WoW non-story, then the Grrl Gamer non-story, now this complete and utter non-story. Seriously, Slashdot may be the news for Nerds... but it's certainly no Blue's News. Can't we just leave the gaming news stories to someone who can actually cover it?

  68. Definition by Slotty · · Score: 1

    We're far superior to humans in everyway. We survive on caffine rich soft drinks and pizza constantly and don't see sunlight for months

  69. What they failed to consider... by CYDVicious · · Score: 1

    How many avid gamers cheat? Cheating can be related to lieing, thus how many avid gamers lied about how much time they spend outside of gaming... Realistically 80+ hours a week gaming, and 1 hour/week in religious service, though sometime 45 because you leave after communion to get online at the same time as "Texican" in MK Deception. The 20+ hours a week of exercise and other activities include riding the tony hawk wannabe skateboard to the mall, via bus stops A and B, where B stops at the mall and A is a block from the house; in order to check gamestop if the newest "game" has arrived yet. The other few hours of exercise include loitering at the mall between trips to the magic shop, arcade, and hot topic during the afternoon after school and before the evening curfew. ~CYD

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  70. An Unbiased source? by wdavies · · Score: 1

    Study sponsored by: Entertainment Software Association

    Dairy Association says Butter good for you... Philip Morris says Cigs are good... etc, etc....

    JEEEEZ!

  71. My god I'm old by whittrash · · Score: 2, Funny

    "you were a nerd if you chatted with your friends via text".

    When I was a kid, if you wanted to chat via text, you had to put it on a 5 1/2" floppy written in Basic and pass it to your friend. Sure there was IRC, but you had to hook up your 9600 baud modem to make it work.

    I have been a gamer though throughout. Back then it was Brickout and Lode Runner. For me today it is SOCOM II (I am biased against Halo) and Doom and various RTS computer games. In my experience, the most successful games are 'social'. There is a community or clan that hangs out as much to be around other people like you and to be social, as anything else. Everquest works because of the group dynamic. The advent of voice communication makes that even more powerful, and makes computer games more like a fun phone call or chat line.

    1. Re:My god I'm old by Damvan · · Score: 1

      9600 baud? You had 9600 baud? When I was in high school, we had 300 baud. If you really had the money, you could get a Applecat with 1200 baud half duplex.

      Those 1200 baud guys, talk about nerds...

    2. Re:My god I'm old by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Funny

      We had to whistle down the phone and listen to what our friends whistled back, you whippersnapper!

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    3. Re:My god I'm old by nikoliky · · Score: 1

      Hey! I well remember playing mtrek on my Amiga 1000 using 1200 baud. Of course going anywhere near Earth was always bad news, talk about lag.

    4. Re:My god I'm old by ekwhite · · Score: 1

      You whippersnapper! I remember playing Star Trek and Adventure on a Teletype machine in the computer room! On an IBM 360, no less! Anyone remember WatFor?

    5. Re:My god I'm old by CrankyFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is this "phone" you're yammering about?

  72. Gamers can't be slacking loafers these days by BinaryLobster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This habit costs real money...

    Up to date video cards, system boards, disk space, games, subscription MMORGs, broadband...

    Sheese, maybe I'll go back to 2nd Edition AD&D...

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  73. Just as social? Not all. by LordByronStyrofoam · · Score: 1

    Some people have addiction issues with MMORPGs. Someone I know exists more 'online' than in our world. He will binge, connected to WoW or Everquest for 20-30 hours at a stretch. Sometimes he and a friend will 'tag team', with one napping while the other 'skills up'. His 'real world' relationships are few and far between - he has very immature social skills, more used to 'bashing a rat for a copper coin or scroll' than 'engaging in a discussion during a meal with others'.

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  74. Gamer age limit? by simplemachine · · Score: 1

    Can a 36 year old married father of two who just finished half-life 2 call himself a gamer? Maybe Im just to old or is being a gamer Hip? Yeah :) first post

  75. Human yes, but... by Sileighty · · Score: 1

    Although gaming is becoming more mainstream, it is because the companies are focusing their efforts to the majority. Sure, now it is fine to play high profile games like Halo and GTA, but playing RPGs and side scrolling shooters still isn't something looked at as normal. Now the term "gamer" means something different. There is a big gap between gamer and the kind of people who put most of their free time in a week into a game and the people who pick up and play a game for a half hour a day. We are human, but which "we" is being talked about?

  76. Re:He's lying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    WIVES. Jesus Christ. Not only did you get the plural form of the word wrong, you even added an apostrophe. That's beyond stupid .. that's stupid squared.

  77. Man... by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess that means I lose my +1 INT, DEX and WIS. On the upside, the -2 STR was getting rather annoying.

  78. Flattery will get you... by RM6f9 · · Score: 1

    More gamer $$$...

    1. Create mind-numbing, time-wasting interactive audio/video drug.
    2. Advertise as fun.
    3. Profit.
    4. Watch profit growth plateau as video-game-drug culture gets generalized as teen lamer geeks.
    5. Flatter current customer base and allay fears of potential new customers - "Gaming won't make me less human? Okay, here's my entertainment $.".
    6. Hope profts resume upward growth near previous rates.

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  79. Are they sure? by raehl · · Score: 1

    Because I'm still pretty sure my wife is a troll.

  80. Slashdot readers are like comedians... by raehl · · Score: 1

    They're either single or maried, but never have a girlfriend.

  81. THE NEO NERD... by enigmals1 · · Score: 1

    I think todays nerd/geek is basically anyone who is overly passionate about their hobby.

    I mean tons of people play games but as said there are even the nerds amoung nerds... those who eat sleep and breathe the stuff. And that can be said of any technology or hobby. It use be that anything computer related was nerdy, because that in itself was out of the norm... but now that PC's are the norm the "nerd" is one who is overly involved to the point of affecting their social behavior or even just involved way more than any of their peer group.

  82. cynically by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    we are a demographic which can be a good thing as companies start thinking of us a targe audience.
    This might mean more games.


    Like hell.
    What it'll probably mean is more gamer-oriented ads for chips and soft drinks.

    Mario gets home after a long day of eating mushrooms and popy-flowers and goes to the fridge for band-y sugar-loaded carbonated water, stuff like that.

    Being a demographic just means that they are figuring out ways to get at your wallet, not to provide you with quality products. Just effective advertisement.

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    1. Re:cynically by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      More chips? That must make a fatass like you just cunt-licking happy.

      Just as long as you save some room for my sperm, you can eat all the chips you want to.

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  83. Gamers are human too by niXcamiC · · Score: 1

    I'm mortaly insulted!

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  84. Re:Could this work? by ArcticCelt · · Score: 3, Funny
    How about those of us who played Collossal Cave and Zork?

    Could this work?

    [prompt]

    >north
    The Troll Room
    This is a small room with passages to the east and south and a forbidding hole leading west. Bloodstains and deep scratches (perhaps made by an axe) mar the walls.
    A nasty-looking troll, brandishing a bloody axe, blocks all passages out of the room.

    >moderate troll -1
    The troll vanish, humiliated by your geekdom superpowers.
    >

    [/prompt]

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  85. Re:What the Fuck??? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

    I get really goddamn tired of all the geek stereotyping (fat smelly unepmployed virgins living in their parents' basements, etc.

    That *is* the average geek, by definition. Geeks *aren't* normal, otherwise they'd never fit the criteria for geekhood. The fact that you have a sex life with something other than your hand is proof positive that you aren't a geek.

    Max

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  86. Of course the gamers all responded truthfully by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

    Just like the way terrorists respond truthfully when asked "Are you a terrorist?".

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  87. Human by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    Well, of *course* gamers are *human*...I think what this survey was possibly talking about was whether or not they are what most of us would define as *normal.*

    My answer to that question is that FPS/RTS gamers in particular probably are for the most part from what I've seen...although the hard-core FPS crowd *seems* a little more anarchic/aggressive than most...which then again isn't surprising given most FPS subject matter.

    With regards to MUDs in particular however...I have strong suspicions that Eugene Tooms was probably an excellent representative of the archetypical MUD enthusiast. ;-)

    I think MUDs/MMORPGs and AD&D are probably largely responsible for the stereotype that contemporary gamers are socially/psychiatrically maladjusted. I've noticed myself that roleplaying in particular and normalcy seem to be inversely proportional to each other...ergo, a hardcore roleplayer is more likely to also be a hardcore freak as well. ;)

    I think the larger body of PC/console game players are relatively ordinary individuals...it's Battle.Net, UO/EQ, D&D mailing lists, and most especially the MU* sphere where the true basement-dwelling mutants are likely to be found. ;)

  88. Devil's advocate by theridersofrohan · · Score: 1

    A new study by the Entertainment Software Association reveals that, amazingly, gamers>/b> are regular human beings.


    In related news, Microsoft claims Windows less expensive than Linux, the NRA claims that guns don't kill people, people kill people (and so do monkeys, if you give them a gun! - thanks eddie!), tobacco companies claim that smoking is not that bad for you, and SCO claims that they own linux.

    Although I obviously agree that gamers are normal people (duh!), shouldn't we question the source of this investigation?
  89. Re:What the Fuck??? by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

    [shrug] Very few of us meet the original definition for geekhood. I know I don't make my living biting the heads off live chickens; do you?

    So with that out of the way ... "geek" is what we make it. I consider myself a geek because of my interests. I enjoy programming, science, science fiction, history, and offbeat music -- all the classic geek stuff -- much more than I do, say, football and MTV. Yet somehow, I've managed to surround myself with good people who share my interests. What bothers me about the geek stereotype, more than anything else, is the assumption that we're asocial. We don't have to be; we may let ourselves be that way, but it is in fact a conscious choice.

    As for being fat and smelly (which pretty much guarantees the lack of a sex life) -- that too is a choice. The truth of the matter is, most of my geek friends are clean and reasonably fit and attractive; I think the stereotype, like most stereotypes, has a grain of truth to it, but is far exaggerated. The few I do know who live down the stereotype make me want to grab them and shake them and say, "It's okay to shower! It's okay to exercise! It's okay to put on clean clothes! No one's going to take your geek card away! You'll still be smart!"

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  90. Even D&D's not cheap these days... by Arivia · · Score: 1

    A new supplement's about three quarters of the cost of a new PC title. I picked up two new supplements today to feed my habit-$90 CDN in total, including the drop in exchange rate on one of them, and my frequent customer discount on both of them. Add in the cost of munchies and a few other things, and it's about as expensive to play D&D these days as it is to play a MMORPG.

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  91. Nice choice of adjectives by leob · · Score: 1

    The study also shows that avid gamers are also as drug-addicted, violent, sexually perverse, and prone to suicide as everyone else.

  92. Soylent Corp by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    In other news, Soylent Corp announces a new flavor.

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  93. Havn't we already heard this? by pele_smk · · Score: 1

    Ya I'm human, but Hollywood Video still creates a dark dungeon atmosphere for the video game section. Let me live the surreal life, I don't want to be human. Back to the basics, have we all not heard about this everyday for the last couple of years? I get the point, gamers are no longer your dungeons and dragons people. They're sexy man beasts like me!

  94. Doh! by Hallowed · · Score: 1

    laf eim hukd on fonix!

    swear that "create" was all there when I previewed and "to not" said "do not" must be a M$ typo virus :(

    anyway, something to keep the /. grammer/spelling nazis busy!

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  95. I am a Unique Snowflake. by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

    So in other words what's being said here is that because I'm a gamer who is a single minded loafer living primarily in a fantasy world, that I'm actually not like every other gamer out there? That's excellent, I always thought I was just 'one of the crowd', and that most gamers were into ther gaming more than anything else. Now I have proof that I'm special.

  96. Re:Could this work? by ekwhite · · Score: 1

    Are you more of a nerd if you played Adventure and Star Trek (anyone remember shooting down Klingons on a teletype machine?)

  97. I'm a gamer by TheAdventurer · · Score: 1

    I'm a gamer. I played X-Wing 8 hours a day for a whole summer. I was lapping up Doom while Eric and Dyllan were blasting up Columbine. I mowed down pedestrians and policemen while playing all the GTA's (starting with the original 1 & 2). I understand why games are fun and I certainly don't think they are bad.

    But I can definately see why people who don't play games would view them as bad. I mean, look at the habit from a distance. You aren't getting any excercise. The imagry is amdittedly horrid in most cases. Arcade/action style games rarely build any kind of life skill or healthful mental attribute. Games can appear sort of like highly addictive mental masturbation that leads to obesiety and a disconnect with reality.

    Of course, those people are wrong. Games kick fucking ass. But I'm just saying, I can see where those types of people are coming from.

  98. Re:Could this work? by Cychwyn · · Score: 1

    I remember playing those. Was always the last back to the PL/1-course after breaks as I was playing Star Trek at every opportunity.
    Not nerd, possibly dinosaur? :-)

    I'd be more surprised if the "*Entertainment Software* Association" found us to be PC-potato troglodytes. In their best interests not to, really.

  99. Limited Study by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

    Don't get your hopes up. It said Gamers are on average normal human beings. Nobody is claiming Slashdotters are.

  100. Human? Well, not all of them... by dapendragon · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure all gamers are completely human though. With all the aimbots and wallhacks in use in just about every first person shooter with multiplayer capability, it seems some gamers would rather be bots than play the game themselves.

    With cheating spreading like wildfire, it's going to start affecting the mainstream gamers more and more. The gaming companies are going to have to start dealing with it, or risk losing profits when frustrated gamers give up on online multiplayer gaming altogether.

  101. no way by Dark_Link2135 · · Score: 1

    I most certainly am NOT human! This pathetic piece of rotting meat is only a temporary host.

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  102. Of course! by cylcyl · · Score: 1

    >> Forty-five percent of gamers volunteer at an average 5.4 hours per month.
    Writing blogs, FAQs and game walkthroughs
    >> Sixty-one percent of game players engage in some type of religious activity for several hours each month.
    What can I say, LAN parties are GREAT! If I could afford it, I would have gone to CES and E3 as well!
    >> Ninety-three percent of game players read books or daily newspapers, while sixty-two percent often attend cultural events, such as concerts, museums, or the theater.
    Well, game guides ARE books and slashdot is a daily news publication.
    >> Fifty percent spend time painting, writing, or playing an instrument.
    Isn't it sick how people love playing the SIMs?
    >> Ninety-four percent follow news and current events, and 78 percent report that they vote in most of the elections for which they are eligible.
    Once again, thanks to /. for providing the news and the daily polls!

  103. Soylent gamers... by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    ... is people!

  104. Re:Could this work? by ekwhite · · Score: 1

    An old brontosaurus here...