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Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the never-going-to-be-rid-of-that-man dept.

Master_of_Tumbleweeds writes "Rick McCallum, co-producer of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, appeared at a press conference in Japan earlier today. He spoke about the future of Star Wars, specifically about the 3D updates of all six films and the upcoming TV series. McCallum said that the 3D films would be released within two to three years, and that the TV shows would take place during the 20 year time period between Episode III and IV. He also mentioned that one of the shows would follow the adventures of a young Luke Skywalker, and reveal how certain characters ended up together. The show starts production next year."

311 comments

  1. Or to make a long story short by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Funny

    He promised to make Star Wars get even worse than he managed to do the last three times. How will he do this?

    He'll do it weekly with a TV series!

    1. Re:Or to make a long story short by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      On the other hand, if Lucas makes it show in three dimensions, maybe it will give the characters some depth.

      Or maybe not.

    2. Re:Or to make a long story short by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      1d +3d = 4d

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    3. Re:Or to make a long story short by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Should be 5D: width, height, depth, time and money. George is expecting everyone to depart with the last two -- again, again and again.

    4. Re:Or to make a long story short by lahuard · · Score: 1

      If Lucas is making the characters, they won't have any depth. He is a horrid director and only real contribution to the series is the stories themselves and the visuals.

    5. Re:Or to make a long story short by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      That was his point. We know you don't like it, because you visit Slashdot. :-)

      It would be so much Lucas' way of thinking: let the technology deliver the quality. ;-)

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    6. Re:Or to make a long story short by eclectro · · Score: 1

      maybe it will give the characters some depth

      Yes they will be deep. Deep in the Ewok forest, that is.

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    7. Re:Or to make a long story short by MutantHamster · · Score: 1
      To depart with them? Where are they going to go?

      Oh wait, at first I didn't notice you're an idiot. Silly of me, I shold've figured it out from the way you're a complete tool.

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    8. Re:Or to make a long story short by Blitzenn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "should be 5D: width, height, depth, time and money. "

      Actually if you want to include time and money as dimensions, then you would have to invert those in the formula as they are a waste of time and money. Technically speaking, because those two dimensions are inverted, they then cancel out two other dimensions, leaving all George Lucas work a mathematical equivelant of 1D cinematography.

    9. Re:Or to make a long story short by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I shold've figured it out from the way you're a complete tool.

      Sorry, I don't speak Idiotese. When my protocol droid comes back, I'll have it speak to you since it understands alll 29 million variations of Idiotese (except for the dialect on the Millenium Falcon). ;)

    10. Re:Or to make a long story short by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      If they truly are dimensions they can't cancel each other out because they're only dimensions when they cannot be described through the other dimensions.

      And if that's 1D cinematography, what was episode 1 without 3d effects?

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    11. Re:Or to make a long story short by MutantHamster · · Score: 1

      At least I know what the word "depart" means. You may have mastered the "witty" come back but you've still got a few words to get down.

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  2. please by geekoid · · Score: 1

    be good, please be good, please be good.

    That would be a nice change.

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    1. Re:please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't it be good?

      I mean, after all, the best movie to come out this summer is by far and large The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D. I hope Star Wars lives up to the same high standards of cinematography and innovation.

  3. 3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, my chance to actually realistically attempt to strangle Jar Jar Binks!

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    1. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by spellraiser · · Score: 1

      Aha, you mean something like this, I presume.

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    2. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by Meagermanx · · Score: 1

      "Oh Jar Jar. Nobody loves you but me."

    3. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by Milner99 · · Score: 1

      lol, don't just stop at strangling!

    4. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by topper24hours · · Score: 1

      I liked him too.... I find him genuinely funny.

    5. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of how frustrating it will be, though!
      He'll just keep slipping through your fingers, every time...

    6. Re:3-D Star Wars Prequels? I Can't Wait! by Strag · · Score: 2, Funny

      The more you tighten your grip, the more Jar Jar will slip through your grasp.

  4. Why? by bcmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there a good reason to keep the franchise going, other than money?

    Millions will watch it; fans will get more annoyed and alienated; non-fans will find it increasingly hard to believe the fans' claims that it used to be good and it will all be hugely profitable. Nothing new.

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    1. Re:Why? by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      George Lucas is apprently putting what he wants to see on film. He's been monkeying with his old films to make them look more like what he wanted (or at least, what he wants now).

      So if you're looking for an artistic rather than fiscal reason, that's it: George Lucas gets to make the movies he wants to make. He's writing and directing them, despite pleas from the fans to let somebody else do it. Supposedly that's what a real artist does: make the art his way, and critics, fans, and profits be damned.

      He happens to get the profits anyway. But if you're asking him to stop making movies his way and make them the way you want to see them, he'll tell you what any artist would tell you: go make your own movie.

    2. Re:Why? by jangobongo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is there a good reason to keep the franchise going, other than money?

      Millions will watch it...


      You just answered your own question - millions will watch it. They'll watch it at least as long as it takes to find out if it's good or horrible.

      It could be good. The 'Clone Wars' cartoons seem to be well liked, though it may not have reached a very large audience.

      If they get it right, it could be as successful as 'Smallville' or some of the 'Star Trek' series. I thought 'The Young Indiana Jones' TV show was very good, but it never reached a large audience. Maybe because the age of Indy in the stories jumped around too much.

      I wonder what channel the show might end up on. Fox?
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    3. Re: Why? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful


      > So if you're looking for an artistic rather than fiscal reason, that's it: George Lucas gets to make the movies he wants to make. He's writing and directing them, despite pleas from the fans to let somebody else do it. Supposedly that's what a real artist does: make the art his way, and critics, fans, and profits be damned.

      And Lucas just happens to think action figures are an art form.

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    4. Re:Why? by teksno · · Score: 0

      So if you're looking for an artistic rather than fiscal reason, that's it: George Lucas gets to make the movies he wants to make. He's writing and directing them, despite pleas from the fans to let somebody else do it. Supposedly that's what a real artist does: make the art his way, and critics, fans, and profits be damned.

      unfortunally with such a die hard fan base, people will keep watching his stuff...even though he is pretty much a hack now...

    5. Re:Why? by syberanarchy · · Score: 1

      I think it's pretty obvious Lucas stopped being an artist a long time ago. Now he's just like Todd McFarlane (or should I say, McFarlane is just like him)... a really good businessman with no creative soul.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "He's been monkeying with his old films to make them look more like what he wanted (or at least, what he wants now)."

      No... he's "moneying" with his old films. Its a little different, just more profitable.
    7. Re:Why? by re-Verse · · Score: 1

      Sounds just like Star Trek, aside from the whole "profit" thing.

    8. Re:Why? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      He's been monkeying with his old films to make them look more like what he wanted (or at least, what he wants now).

      Look on the bright side: He hasn't changed any dialogue.

      He still understands that there is a subtle difference between, "Luke, I am your father", and, "Luke, who's your daddy?"

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    9. Re:Why? by dswartze · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you watch the DVD version of Empire, the scene with the empourer has had the dialog completely changed, as well as replacing the woman playing the empourer as the guy who plays in in the other 4 movies

    10. Re: Why? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Well, action figures ARE art. Jus art with moving joints.

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    11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't know much about McFarlane, but Lucas I think it's more a problem with having too much money - obsession with technique, "gear-head". I've noticed this with a lot of low-level photographers, they just talk about technique, and what new cameras and lenses they got all the time (and how they're broke), eventually they kinda stop taking photos at all, or incredibly drab stuff. "Evolving" should be just as much about evolving creativly.

    12. Re: Why? by JLF65 · · Score: 1

      Action figures (cough - dolls - cough) are the way he PAYS for making movies the way he wants. People can say "if you don't like it, go make your own movie," but how do you pay for it? Fan films are expensive. Look at how much they spend on each episode of the New Star Trek Voyages.

      Unless you find a sugar daddy, you need something to pay the bills. If the price of Lucas's vision is JarJar on millions of rolls of toilet paper, so be it.

  5. No mercy you have ... by orangeguru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every additional Star Wars remake, rerelease, addition, TV series, book, comic, condom, game WITHIN the movies time frame will make the MYTH only WEAKER. Damnit.

    1. Re:No mercy you have ... by rokzy · · Score: 1

      the MYTH that it was good in the first place?

      okay, so it might have been fantastic the first time around, but it has got to be one of the most overrated series ever.

      even if nothing was done after the first three films so it was as "pure" as possible, imo once the people old enough to have seen it on release die it would have been completely forgotten. after ROTS (which I think was okay to good but mostly just due to Ewan's enthusiasm) I tried watching the first film again. I got about 10 mins in before I got so bored I had to stop - "stop dicking about in the desert and get to the point!".

    2. Re:No mercy you have ... by KingPrad · · Score: 1

      And there are so many pre and post-movie stories contained in the various comics and novels that would make excellent television or movies.

      Why don't they make a TV series from the book "I, Jedi", the Jedi Academy trilogy, or best of all - the Thrawn Trilogy? They could make one badass mini-series with Thrawn. There are many good story arcs in the Star Wars universe, and most lie outside the existing movies. I'm partial to those after the original trilogy, but there are good stories from before the prequels as well.

      I would like it if Lucas would open up the rights to other Star Wars movies and parcel them out to proven science fiction directors - let each one do a movie. Like I said, I'd love to see Corran Horn or Grand Admiral Thrawn brought to life.

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    3. Re:No mercy you have ... by defy+god · · Score: 1

      and damn them for making people watch it...

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    4. Re:No mercy you have ... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Every additional Star Wars remake, rerelease, addition, TV series, book, comic, condom, game WITHIN the movies time frame will make the MYTH only WEAKER. Damnit."

      Kind of reminds me when Enterprise 'explained' the smooth headed Klingons. I was one of the few that enjoyed that show, but I really despised the sterilization of that detail. I had a lot of fun imagining what would cause that. "We do not discuss it with outsiders."

      I see your point, man.

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    5. Re:No mercy you have ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to turn in my geek badge because honestly, I only saw the trilogy right before phantom menace came out in theaters. It was cool to see Ep. IV, just because I recall certain space ships my friends had way back then. And of course Darth Vader. But the movie was somewhat boring compared to my favorite.. Empire Strikes Back. Even ROTJ I thought was better than A New Hope. But after watching the trilogy, I really did not see that big of a difference between it and phantom menace that came out. If anything, I think Star Wars lost its "campy" feeling which made the older episodes seem a little more adverturous. Action wasn't so break-neck back then, and things happened at a more natural pace. Other than that, the new trilogy is not much different than the old...

    6. Re: No mercy you have ... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > okay, so it might have been fantastic the first time around, but it has got to be one of the most overrated series ever.

      With possible competition from The Matrix and the LotR books.

      > even if nothing was done after the first three films so it was as "pure" as possible, imo once the people old enough to have seen it on release die it would have been completely forgotten.

      IMO eIV wasn't great, but at least it was fun. Somewhere along the way Lucas lost his way, first by trying to take it too seriously, then by trying to make it a big-screen babysitter.

      > after ROTS [...] I tried watching the first film again. I got about 10 mins in before I got so bored I had to stop - "stop dicking about in the desert and get to the point!".

      I said this during the last SW story, but I'll say it again due to context: IIRC, the original edit was much slower paced than the versions now available are. I remember renting them just before the revisions came out, and being distracted by the long pauses between exchanges of dialog, as if the actors were filmed speaking their parts separately and then spliced together without enough scissoring in between.

      OTOH, the WB's broadcast channel showed Clash of the Titans today, and I was astonished to discover that it came out in 1981. I always thought it was just some campy leftover 60's crap. We may err in judging eIV by modern expectations of how a movie should be made.

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    7. Re:No mercy you have ... by carlvjack · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that all the people complaining will be the first ones in line or have their TIVO recording it. STOP watching it and paying money THEN something might change.

    8. Re: No mercy you have ... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1
      Given that the hype engine was about equal for Star Wars, The Matrix, and LotR, LotR was the only one that delivered.

      At least I've yet to see someone start foaming at the mouth while describing how much it hurt them.

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    9. Re: No mercy you have ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The LOTR books have a bit more going for them than you credit. OK, so for anybody who's familiar with the ludicrous number of Tolkein derivatives they might not seem so new, but in their original context (i.e - a world where much of the fantasy bullshit spawned by poor rip-offs is not part of the public psyche) they're amazing works of creative imagination.

      The Matrix sucked horribly, and I agree that Star Wars is somewhat overrated. But still - great fun. Not exactly great cinema though. Popcorn territory. I'd worry if anybody who was a good friend of mine got too obsessive over them...

    10. Re:No mercy you have ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Why don't they make a TV series from the book "I, Jedi", the Jedi Academy trilogy, or best of all - the Thrawn Trilogy?

      Or my personal favourite, the game "Knights of The Old Republic". Malak is actually nasty enough to replace Palpatine, and Revan is both powerfull and competent - not a whining brat like Luke.

      "So, the apprentice has learned the final lesson."

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  6. So... by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    ...are we going to find out why Wedge is indestructible and has the devil's own luck?

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    1. Re:So... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wedge is not indestructible, He was just one of the best, if not the best pilot in the galaxy

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    2. Re:So... by ed · · Score: 1

      Cos he's a Scot

    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... (Score:1)
      by John Pfeiffer (454131) on Saturday June 18, @06:25PM (#12853083) ...are we going to find out why Wedge is indestructible and has the devil's own luck?


      Or why Captain Antilles (a relative of Wedge's?) wasn't promoted between Episodes III and IV?
    4. Re:So... by harkabeeparolyn · · Score: 1

      And without using the Force. Hell, if he had Jedi training he might not even need to use ship. Just fly around zapping baddies like Space Ghost. :)

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obiwan, I am your uncle!

    6. Re:So... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Because Captain was his title/job and not his rank.
      He was Captain of the ship, not a Captain in the military.
      Of course it's just possibly you making a joke with the play on words. In wich case I donate this post to the rest of the people who wondered that for real.

      Mycroft

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  7. Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In related news, George Lucas continues to shit diamonds...

  8. 3D Effect right now... by NightWulf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll just go to the zoo and taunt the monkeys. Eventually they'll throw some feces at my face, and I already have the same effect of the new Star Wars flying at me in 3D.

    1. Re:3D Effect right now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be the Smell-o-vision version that will come out 15 years later, once the technology is perfected.

    2. Re:3D Effect right now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be the Smell-o-vision version that will come out 15 years later, once the technology is perfected.

      Noooooooooooooo!

  9. Sigh by GileadGreene · · Score: 1

    Hope they don't trash the mythos established in the old Brian Daley 'Han Solo' novels when the do their interstitial TV series.

    1. Re:Sigh by buddachile · · Score: 4, Insightful

      from TFA: Do you really want to see a young Luke, Han, etc. interacting?

      in episode 4 han and luke interacted in a fashion that suggested that was the first time they had met. how would it make sense for them to interact in the TV series when the time frame is the 20 years between episodes 3 & 4?

    2. Re:Sigh by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      A convenient mindwipe, ala C3PO. A force trick, perhaps.

    3. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree that it wouldn't make any sense for Han and Luke to have met earlier than the Mos Eisley cantina, but remember: it's George Lucas directing here.

      This is a director who is obsessed with ruining the mystery behind his characters. C-3PO and R2D2 didn't have to be in the prequel movies. Indeed, C-3PO is a protocol droid that looks exactly like several others seen in the original series, indicating he was mass-produced - but instead, Lucas decided it would be better to have Anakin Skywalker build him from scratch to show off the young Vader's technical skills. Why not build a different, unique robot? Because Lucas doesn't work his story that way. He doesn't consider that it's overkill to explain every character's entire life from the very beginning. And that's exactly what the TV series will do.

      Introducing the droids in the prequels created a huge inconsistency flaw: in 'A New Hope', Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't remember R2D2 OR C-3PO, despite being around them quite a lot during the long years of his padawan's training. This has prompted a lot of backpedaling by fans to explain the flaw - that Ben Kenobi's memory has faded, that he's only pretending to have forgotten the droids, and other weak excuses.

      And let's not forget the major change Lucas made to Han Solo's character - taking a dangerous and ruthless character and painting him as a man who is far more level-headed and good-natured.

      Now consider what he'll do to Luke Skywalker's character week after week? Luke is supposed to be a boring farm-boy from a backwater planet. That's what makes his transition to a Jedi/involvement in the enormous Rebellion so cool. But to make a TV series interesting, Lucas will force Skywalker through challenge after challenge, every single week. By the time the TV series ends its run, Luke Skywalker's efforts in the three original movies will be far less amazing and unusual. The magic of it all will be eroded away.

      Trust me. The more George Lucas has to do with Star Wars, the more he'll destroy it.

      -wish I had a /. account

    4. Re:Sigh by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I just thought Anakin had built C3PO out of spare parts or as kit (like how some people used to build heath-kit computers).
      All Obi-Wan actualy said was he didn't remember ever owning any droids. Though admitedly him not eventually realizing these were the SAME r2 unit and protocal droid is a bit odd, especially after getting Lea's message from R2. The only explanation I could give here is to point to obvious 'droids for everything' fetish the republic/empire seems to have (good grief, if they use droids instead of a chunk of explosive in missles it has to be a culturual blind spot of ENORMOUS proportions) and with the short names for them assume that they mentally think 'joe's r2d2 not freds' like we might think Jane's Mustang Not Alberts.

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    5. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, perhaps Obi-Wan was just acting. Perhaps the droid technically belonged to Jedi Order or the Republic, for instance.
      When I went to see EP IV in the beginning of 80s as a kid, I thought Leia had just told R2 his new master was Obi-wan.
      It might also be Ben didn't want to lay down all his cards down, until he learned more about the new situation.

    6. Re:Sigh by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Well I'm pretty shure R2 belonged to Padme and C3P0 was Anakins.
      That not owning droids. Considering how prevalent they are (almost to the point where NOT useing a droid for something is bizzare) I would have to say the not ever owning droids should have got a startled reaction from Luke and could only have been part of the "I'm a total recluse wierdo" cover Obi-Wan was hiding under.

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    7. Re:Sigh by JLF65 · · Score: 1

      "Luke is supposed to be a boring farm-boy from a backwater planet."

      Not quite. If you remember certain lines, you'd realize there's a lot more to Luke than just some farm-boy from a backwater planet.

      Remember the first Death Star briefing? Luke was surprised that the other pilots thought hitting the target indicated would be hard. That he had hit smaller targets under worse conditions back home.

      Luke was always getting parts for his flyer back on Tattoine. Remember that model Luke was playing with in one scene back on Tattoine? If you looked closely, there was one of those in the garage at the farm. That's what Luke flew around in during his "off-time". Luke was well known in that region of Tattoine for his piloting skills.

      In any movie, there really isn't enough time to cover everything. Star Wars is no exception. Luke has A LOT of backstory that is really interesting, but you only get little glimpses of in the movies. Remember him telling Biggs, "It'll be just like Beggar's Canyon back home"? Maybe we'll actually get to see those runs through Beggar's Canyon in the TV series.

  10. Enterprise? by outz · · Score: 1, Funny

    I thought they cancelled Enterprise?

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  11. TV show explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It just means the episodes will be 45 min files in 4:3 aspect ratio, instead of 135 min files in 2.35:1.

    1. Re:TV show explanation by Lullabye_Muse · · Score: 1

      Wrong they'd be shot in 16:9 or 2:35:1 because of hdtv rollouts in 2006. You should pay more attention to this stuff since you're hanging around slashdot.

  12. Store Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.fatkidsong.com/starwars/storewars.htm

  13. I'm excited!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    I am SO excited about this, I'm sure it will have the quality of other tv shows based on movies such as "Stargate Atlantis".

    I'm so excited, I gotta pee...

    1. Re:I'm excited!!!! by Spad · · Score: 1

      Spot on - well, apart from the teeny, tiny fact that Stargate: Atlantis wasn't based on a movie.

      Atlantis is a spin-off of SG1, which *was* based on a movie and, having lasted 9 series, can't be doing too badly.

  14. certain characters? by cei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...reveal how certain characters ended up together

    Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie? All the other Ep IV relationships are fairly well accounted for...

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    1. Re:certain characters? by jspoon · · Score: 3, Funny
      Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie? All the other Ep IV relationships are fairly well accounted for...

      Including so many that no one cared about. Such as: Why Yoda and Chewbacca are such good friends. And: Why Baba Fett has a grudge against Obi Wan.

    2. Re:certain characters? by cei · · Score: 1

      Good reason for no-one to care... Ep III establishes a Yoda/Chewbacca relationship enough... the fact that they never interact in IV, V or VI makes any intermediate story unnecessary. Likewise, Mace killing Jango in II is enough for young Boba to hate all Jedi, but he never encounters Obi Wan in IV, V or VI, and doesn't really seem to care about Luke at all... just getting Han for Jabba's bounty. Again, a non-story.

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    3. Re:certain characters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a movie standpoint, it's true that this relationship is undefined.

      However, in the supplemental materials (not Extended Universe, but Lucas-brand books and companion guides and such), this has been set already:

      Han was an officer in the Empire, and was serving duty on Kashyyyk as the Empire was enslaving the Wookiees. He thought it was horrible the way they were being treated, and so he freed Chewbacca and escaped with him. That's one of the reasons he had to go underground and make a living as a smuggler - he was already in hot water with the Imperials for abandoning his post.

    4. Re:certain characters? by Council · · Score: 1

      We need a simple, polite word for "fyi, you missed the humor in the gp post."

      though if you go back and read it with a different viewpoint, it's really hard to see it.

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    5. Re:certain characters? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      I guess the greatparent was sarcastic.

      I mean, those are just more examples of the vast open starwars universe shrinking and shrinking because everybody knows everybody else from way back ...

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    6. Re:certain characters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Chewie and Yoda (Jedi Übermaster) fought together at the end of the clone war. Chewie meets Han. Chewie and Han meet Luke and Obiwan. Han says he has no reason to believe in the force.
      The story in between Ep 3 and 4 could be about why Chewie and Han don't communicate. Perhaps they see a marriage councilor (Lando???). Endless possibilities!

    7. Re:certain characters? by tessaiga · · Score: 2, Informative
      Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie? All the other Ep IV relationships are fairly well accounted for...
      It's been covered in Brian Daley's Han Solo books already. The short version is that Han (who was an Imperial officer at the time) happened to be stationed at the slave camp that Chewie was in. He saved Chewie from being killed by some other Imperials for rebelling against his captors, and in return Chewie swore a life debt to Han.
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    8. Re:certain characters? by dtungsten · · Score: 2, Funny

      Baba Fett? Boba's long lost identical twin sister who is also strong in Bounty Hunting, like their father (Jango)?

      Not to be confused with cousin Baby Fett, or any of the clone warriors.

    9. Re:certain characters? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      You should see her in her Mandalorian bikini lounging around the cement pond at Jabba's palace.

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    10. Re:certain characters? by writermike · · Score: 1

      Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie?

      Well, there are Biggs and Wedge Antilles. Some of the commanders in the Rebel force could be features. Also, you can see how that whole military command either continues from where they left off or starts anew and becomes the force seen in ANH. How did Leia become part of the Rebel Alliance?

      There are a lot of stories here. There are a lot of GOOD stories.

      Will they be told in an interesting way? Dunno. Wish they'd let JMS do it.

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    11. Re:certain characters? by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Just because Chewie believes something and claims to have seen it at work doesn't mean he'd convince Han it was so.
      Got any friends who believe in ufo's or a different religeon than you?

      Mycroft

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    12. Re:certain characters? by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I think Lea's adopted father would explain how she wound up in the alliance.
      If you recall his part in what happened at the end of EP:III what with helping two now wanted Jedi to escape the emperor and taking on Lea as an infant knowing who she was.

      Mycroft

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    13. Re:certain characters? by JLF65 · · Score: 1

      God yes! Give it to JMS with a truckload of money so he doesn't have to worry about whether he'll get another season in the budget.

  15. Young Luke Skywalker? by afroken · · Score: 1

    Instead of turning perfectly good actors like Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson into convincing CPR resuscitation dummies ("Annie, Annie, are you okay?"), Star Wars is going for the rich acting experience that children provide.

    I was hoping the television show would at least have a Dawson's Creek vibe. That is the only other young Skywalker I can see. Wasn't he fifteen or so in Star Wars, anyway?

    Someone call 911!

    1. Re:Young Luke Skywalker? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, reading your posting made me remember this:
      http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-04-27& res=l

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    2. Re:Young Luke Skywalker? by galfridus73 · · Score: 1
      20. The twins are 20 at the beginning of ANH.

      So, yes, you could get a Dawson's Creek or Smallville vibe going with Luke, his (girl)friend Camie, his "antagonist" Fixer, and their older friend Biggs (he could take off to the academy at the end of season one or two).

      The only issue with that being the series is that there would be no Force powers, no lightsabers, no Artoo or Threepio, etc. But it would be a new twist.

  16. Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by Jarnis · · Score: 1

    Didn't they already learn that EP1 sucked most, and once they inserted some major Jedi Ass Kicking (EP2 and EP3), someone finally got interested.

    Nobody is interested in how luke grew up to be such a brat that he is at the start of EP4. Star Wars is all about epic (and maybe not so epic) battles, not about the growing pains of a twit.

    I wish they'd make X-Wing TV-series. The book series, while somewhat uneven, would instantly provide couple of seasons worth of interesting story. And even if they'd just rip the characters and the setting, that alone could give tons of Good Star Wars stuff.

    Kiddy Luke Skywalker. BAH. Morons...

    1. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by blincoln · · Score: 1

      Nobody is interested in how luke grew up to be such a brat that he is at the start of EP4. Star Wars is all about epic (and maybe not so epic) battles, not about the growing pains of a twit.

      It's a story *for* children. They're supposed to watch the various episodes as they grow older. That's why Anakin is a child in Ep1.

      Complaining about Lucas' target audience for Star Wars is like getting upset that the Prydain books are typeset with an oversized font and relatively short.

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    2. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      What would truly be awesome is if they made a Star TV Series or new Movie Series based on Knights of The Old Republic.... man o man that would definetly rock =)

    3. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      It's a story *for* children. They're supposed to watch the various episodes as they grow older.

      Which explains why Episode 3 is much more disturbing than 4-6...oh, no it doesn't. Please show where George Lucas has said that his target audience is children.

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    4. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by EtherealStrife · · Score: 1

      Finally, someone talking sense. :) The Knights of the Old Republic universe exceeds even the Old Trilogy, in many respects. If nothing else, here's hoping for a third installment of kotor!

      Hell, just a few days ago I started up a new game of the original Knights of the Old Republic...good shit, good shit. :) The plot is considerably better than that of the New Trilogy, and the two main carryovers between 'episodes' are a ship and a droid (rather than living characters).

    5. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by clontzman · · Score: 1

      Here you go:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/394542.st m

      He said the allegations said more about the people making the claims than they did about his film.

      "There is a group of fans for the films that doesn't like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like Terminator, and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike.

      "The movies are for children but they don't want to admit that. In the first film they absolutely hated R2 and C3-PO. In the second film they didn't like Yoda and in the third one they hated the Ewoks... and now Jar Jar is getting accused of the same thing."

    6. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

      The problem with a movie/tv show is:
      1. is revan male or female?
      2. is revan light side or darkside?
      3. (if lightside) did Revan kill Bastilla?
      4. (if revan male) does he fall in love with Bastilla?
      5. (if revan female) does she fall in love with Carth.
      6. (if revan darkside female) does Revan kill Carth?
      7. Is Juhani in the party?
      I think thats it for KOTOR1. In KOTOR2 you have this stuff premangled into two decisions [male|female], [ds|ls]. For a movie/tv show you'd have to decide on ONE of each, sort of killing the "open endedness" of the story. Not that thats particularly a bad thing though.

      That said of course - I do want to know what happened to Revan during the times of Kotor2. :)

    7. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what Lucas has said several times.
      Given your sig I'm suprised you've missed the SEVERAL times over the years that he's said that.
      The original plan for Starwars had it opening as a mother wookie telling it to her child.
      The original wookie was much smaller and more primitive, but that got modified into Chewbaca, and later the Ewoks came into it as a kind re-introducing of the original Wookie idea.
      Not that I'm trying to attack you, I'm just honestly suprised you never caught that fact, especially since your sig points to that era.
      I still have memorized:
      poke 543280,<color> or 543281,<bordercolor>
      and poke 54296,<volume>
      and sys 64738
      lO"*",8,9

      Mycroft

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    8. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      although close not even the Ewoks spured the amount of hatred as Jar Jar. he was a mistake, flat out.

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    9. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      is revan male or female?

      Revan is a Hutt in human form. Didn't you play the game ?-)

      But seriously; female. Don't know why, but somehow that just feels right.

      is revan light side or darkside?

      Light side; otherwise the Republic would have collapsed after KoTOR. Revan + Bastila's Battle Meditation + full potential of the Star Forge + Republic fleet & Jedi Order suffering horrible losses at Star Forge = pretty obvious outcome.

      (if lightside) did Revan kill Bastilla?

      No. Morals aside, a strategist of Revan's ability wouldn't kill Bastila and deprive the Republic strike force of the advantage of her Battle Meditation.

      does she fall in love with Carth

      That, or gets into hot lesbian action with Juhani and Mission - not to forget Zaalbaar ;)

      Seriously, I think that Revan and Malak had something going before Malak's betrayal, and Bastila and Revan seem to be... close... afterwards. Not that the writers would ever go there...

      Is Juhani in the party?

      Propably. It goes back to not wasting potential assets. Revan is, above all other things, a strategist. Wasting Juhani would be stupid, when it's so obvious that she is more angry and confused than evil.

      Besides, would the Jedi Council really be stupid enough to ignore Revan killing Juhani and what it would tell about her ?

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    10. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by hobbesmaster · · Score: 1

      If you played KOTOR2 and set Revan as darkside you'd know that the Sith basically fell apart afterwards - Revan had to go fight some mysterious evil in the outerrim - without Revan's power no one could control the star forge and it sort of fell apart. When you're on Korriban you find a message from Bastilla about all this.

      Oh, and Main/Juhani/Bastilla kicks ass. Certainly beats throwing Jolee in there any day of the week. :)

    11. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by EtherealStrife · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Jolee with fully pumped dueling line is sufficiently buff to hold his own against dark jedi even before you throw in his insane Consular might. Besides, Juhani just looks...off. :) Her force camo is nice, but that's about it.

      My favorite power team was Main/Mission/Bastilla, when my main was a scout. Between scout and scoundrel all the skill bases were covered, and if you give mission the incredible light exoskeleton from yavin spacestation and max her dueling she's easily got 32 defense.

      As for the light/dark argument, I say neutral. :) Malak says it best: You are alone. Light distrusts you because of your past, dark distrusts you because of light's tampering. All revan needs to display in a movie/tv version would be force wave/push, heal, speed, and perhaps lightning. Revan's struggle between light/dark could be portrayed through this mixture of light/dark/neutral

    12. Re:Bah. Another 'kiddy show'? by EtherealStrife · · Score: 1

      oh and uh... "Revan had to go fight some mysterious evil in the outerrim" I think that's the perfect open end to follow up with in the movie/tv show. :)

  17. Star Wars Anonymous... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm a Star Wars fan. I have no existence without Star Wars. My life is meaningless without Star Wars (except Jar Jar, may he die in the TV sereis). I want to give up Star Wars. Please help me... :P

    1. Re:Star Wars Anonymous... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Not a problem, just stare at this wide-eye 3d illusion picture till you see a sailboat.
      And stay away from potheads with bat-grapples.

      Mycroft

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  18. Prequels... by RandomLetters · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the whole concept of "prequels" flawed?

    I found that all the Star Wars prequels focused on acting out things which we already knew the result of, showing younger versions of characters or parents of characters, and ruining our personal concept of what went before.

    Are there any instances where "prequels" were successful and expanded the narrative?

    1. Re:Prequels... by JWW · · Score: 1

      Yep, you've very succinctly explained why I hate prequels, and also why Episode III is by far the best of them. It the one that actually SHOWS us the story we wanted to see. One and Two were filler.

      Prequels leave the audience expecting so much that they hardly ever pay off. Enterprise, anyone?

    2. Re:Prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the hobbitt?

    3. Re:Prequels... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      >>Are there any instances where "prequels" were successful and expanded the narrative?

      2 words:
      The Godfather.

      wbs.

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    4. Re:Prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Batman Begins.

      Prequels seem to be the hot trend...

    5. Re:Prequels... by TeacherOfHeroes · · Score: 1

      I found reading the prequels to the Foundation series (Asimov) to be very rewarding. Because the series started out as a collection of short stories, there was very little information available about what came before to be spoiled.

    6. Re:Prequels... by grumbel · · Score: 1

      ### Is the whole concept of "prequels" flawed?

      I wouldn't say so, "Batman Begins" seems to be quite good, some of "Animatrix" was great, "Escape From Butcher Bay" seems to be pretty good, watching the first few minutes of Indy3 was fun and Buffy/Angel also had a bunch of going back in time over the whole series that is pretty good as well and there is also "Knights of the old Repulic". Ok, some of this are actually games, not movies, but it shows that one can do plenty of interesting stuff with story happening before some movie.

      The problem with the StarWars prequels was that they simply hadn't much story of their own, boring CloneWars here, stupid Jedi there and a bunch of pointless back-references all over the place (look that ship looks almost like a tie-fighter and that almost like a x-wing and there is Chewbacca) and worst of all they simply missed out many interesting parts. Grievous for example seems to be a rather interesting character, in the movies however we don't get to know much about his background at all. The CloneWars cartoons actually show some of it and it would have been very nice to see some of that on the big screen. And after all the prequels simply fail the whole reason why they where created in the first place, to show us why Anakin got Darth Vader, this most important point was simply rushes over in a few minutes (Imperator: wanna be evil? Anakin: Yep).

    7. Re:Prequels... by great+throwdini · · Score: 1
      2 words:
      The Godfather.

      You probably mean The Godfather: Part II, in reference to the depiction of the early years of Vito Corleone (as portrayed by De Niro) before he became Don Corleone. That story was told alongside another narrative within a single film.

      The Godfather, on the other hand, was a straightforward tale and not a prequel of any kind.

    8. Re:Prequels... by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      Batman Begins isn't really a prequel at all, as I understand it. It's just a restart of the movie continuity (and a badly needed one at that). I have little doubt that there will be sequels which cover similar ground as the previous Batman movies (such as the origin of the Joker) which will likely be quite different than those other movies.

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    9. Re:Prequels... by Bishop · · Score: 1

      Except that The Hobbit was written before The Lord of the Rings. Wikipedia has some details.

    10. Re:Prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom wasn't bad.

    11. Re:Prequels... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      "Batman Begins"? I haven't seen it yet, but others I know loved it. I'm hard pressed to think of any I've seen myself. Certainly not "Dumb and Dumberer"

    12. Re:Prequels... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Foudation did a pretty good job of it. Generally with prequels you aren't presumed to read in chronological order, rather in the order they're written. SW screwed this up by numbering the episodes, a good gimic when 4 came out, but not so fun when they actually tried to fill in the gaps. I won't say what I thought he should've done though, I know my skill level at writing screenplays. (hint: it's less than 1 and not negative.. at least i think it's not negative)

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    13. Re:Prequels... by dtungsten · · Score: 1

      I thought the "prequel" in Chronicles of Narnia was well done. Maybe we'll get to see a movie of it someday.

    14. Re:Prequels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you missed the point. Anakin/Vader's journey to the Dark Side had been going on for a while at this point, beginning when he was still a padawan and had exterminated a tribe of Tuskens. It wasn't like what you said at all. He earned more "Dark Side Points" so to speak when he beheaded Dooku on Palpatine's order, and as his attachments to Padme grew, his passions grew. By the time "Imperator" threw Mace out the window, he was already fallen. The naming of the Sith Lord was actually timed quite well... from a certain point of view. ;)

    15. Re:Prequels... by Infe · · Score: 1

      captain obvious...he's our hero...gonna take our rolled eyes up from zero!

      ok, lame, just couldn't resist.

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    16. Re:Prequels... by polyparadigm · · Score: 1

      Oh, I almost forgot...The Baroque Cycle is also a very good set of prequels, although Cryptonomicon is stronger than them on a few points. Unfortunately, the series is kind of long, a little slow in parts, and sometimes overly preachy.

    17. Re:Prequels... by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      It the one that actually SHOWS us the story we wanted to see.

      Speak for yourself. I think Lucas nailed it beautifully with all three prequels. The first laid it all out, the second showed the political atmosphere that led to the Clone Wars and the earliest hints of an empire, and the third showed us how Anakin became Vader.

      I'm a hardcore fan and grew up on Star Wars as they were originally released and I think the prequels are fantastic, and all of them show me what I've always wanted to see. True, Sith is the episode that contains about 90% of what Lucas let out of the bag back in the 80s, but the other two films give you a very rich groundwork for all of that, shows you how Lucas envisioned the entire galaxy functioning, how the Republic worked (or didn't) and how the Jedi were a part of that (as well as allowing some subtle nods at their growing weaknesses and complacency.) Far too often, the prequels are used as cultural bashing fodder for those who are desperate to show how cool they are and how "far above" this popular phenomenon they are, but I think Lucas did a stunning job with it all.

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    18. Re:Prequels... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      As good as Nicholson was I sincerely hope they do.
      And I hope they drop the 'kill off ongoing villians at the end' piece of stupidity that the other Batman series did.

      + spoiler +
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      However I worry about that last bit see-ing as how this one ended. Still the vehicle they used was very un-batman like(excluding Darknight Returns of course) though with a good bit of reasoning to explain it. And to quote "I gotta get me one of those" I think gordan said it.
      They also skipped some of Bruce's pre-batman training and focused almost entirely on the ninja like combat training. But considering that took up half the movie I don't entirely blame them, and they did hint at it.

      And to bring this back on topic I'll point out how The speach about anger giving him power, but potentially poisoning his mind and ruining his ability to do justice was very reminiscent of SW and the darkside/lightside thing about anger and hate.

      Mycroft

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    19. Re:Prequels... by m50d · · Score: 1

      A good prequel (and they do exist) always does that. Like with Romeo and Juliet, just because you know what's going to happen doesn't mean there can't be a good story about it.

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    20. Re:Prequels... by JWW · · Score: 1

      It is refreshing to see your viewpoint here instead of the I'll be cool and bash Star Wars view.

      Still I would have preferred the movies to have been Episode II, Clone Wars to be the second episode, and them III. I thought the Clone Wars series was simply awesome.

  19. 3d Technology by RickPartin · · Score: 1

    What kind of 3d technology will it use? Please god don't let it be those red/blue glasses.

    1. Re:3d Technology by strredwolf · · Score: 1

      Hopefully better tech than what was used in Ep III. That thing kept screaming at me "I'M COMPUTER GENERATED!!!!" at 24 frames per second. Most of the runs, flips, and similar action sequences would switch to the CGI, then switch back like nothing happened. ARGH!!!!! Ruin the film, why don't you? More practice Lucas needs. See Final Flight of the Osirus, he must. Completely forget it was computer generated, I did. Good animation it was.

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    2. Re:3d Technology by jangobongo · · Score: 1

      You may or may not be aware of this, but they also have polarized glasses for 3D movies. If you've ever been to a 3D show at a theme park, this is what they use.

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    3. Re:3d Technology by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      You forgott FOtO was cgi because ALL of it was. You notice in SW because it switched back and forth and we still can't quite do it perfect.
      In fact we deliberately avoid doing as well as we can sometimes because there is range of almost but not quite perfect that is actually prone to wierding out people. It's like the brain is o.k. with 'this is fake' and 'this is not fake' but when it has trouble telling it just freaks out.
      I seem to recall a /. article about effect a while back.

      Mycroft

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  20. Yawn by quokkapox · · Score: 1
    Can't wait to see these with a big timecode floating in front of my eyes... kind of like a heads-up display.

    How early they will be "accidentally" leaked?

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  21. I've Got a Bad Feeling About This by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Who cares about another rehash? I want him to tell us when we'll get 3D TV, like in Star Wars teleconferences. And whether the real thing will actually be watchable, or the kind of "can you see/hear me now?" crap in the movie.

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  22. 3D.... by sore+loser · · Score: 0

    Han shoots YOU first

    1. Re:3D.... by rune2 · · Score: 1

      Han shoots YOU first

      I was expecting an "in Soviet Russia" in there somewhere..

  23. Beginning of the End of Star Wars by reporter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Stars Wars" (SW) is quickly morphing into the sort of downward spiral that marked the end of "Star Trek" (ST). ST saturated the airwaves, and eventually the plots became so shallow that they lost most of their audience. One problem is that plots begin to repeat themselves.

    Another problem is inconsistency.

    The first sign of trouble is inconsistency in the storylines. An example is the fact that, in the original SW trilogy, the Force is available to anyone willing to commit herself to the ideals of the Jedi. Obi-wan Kenobi offers to teach Han Solo how to master the Force, but the swashbuckler declines, preferring a good pistol. Then, in the new trilogy, the Force is available only to those with the blood stocked with midichlorians.

    By the way, epics come along only once in a great while. Trying to generate new and wonderful ideas each week for a TV series is extremely difficult; hence most shows (e.g. ST) end before about 7 seasons. Such a conclusion leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and once devoted fans permanently ignore the franchise.

    SW will most assuredly meet such a fate -- unless George Lucas deflates his ego and terminates the television series before they even begin.

    1. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      Very well stated. I can only hope they don't fuck up as bad with the upcoming Indiana Jones movie. If they make the ass-kickingest hero ever look bad, cinema itself will finally be robbed of its last bit of glory.

    2. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Obi-wan Kenobi offers to teach Han Solo how to master the Force, but the swashbuckler declines, preferring a good pistol. "

      WTF? This is what makes you bashers so funny, you can't even remember the original movies right...

    3. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Meagermanx · · Score: 1

      "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - For Real This Time"

    4. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find your lack of faith -- disturbing.

      As for the midichlorians, perhaps there is more to it than your apparently limited insight allow for. First of all, it is well known in the SW universe that the force permeates every living thing (with one notable exception, but they aren't discovered until after ROTJ so we will ignore them here). If midichlorians act as the mediation for that interaction than the implication is that everyone has at least SOME midichlorian in them (whatever it is) but that some folks have more than others. Just as some people are naturally more gifted athletes or mathematicians or more suited to contemplative, spiritual paths so too are some beings more likely to be adept at bearing the Force. The importance of "introducing" midichlorians is that it allowed Lucas to tell us that Anakin was off the chart when it came to natural Force adeptness. So your argument is rather unsophisticated.

      Furthermore, you have to account for the fact that just because a "sage" says something doesn't mean that it is the whole truth or even true at all. It is simply their belief or understanding. Note how both Yoda and Obi-Wan (whom we would assume should know better) are both bent on getting Luke to destroy Darth. Obi-Wan never fails in this persuit even though Padame's dying words to him were insistant that there was still good in Anakin. It takes young Luke (who is apparently the "real" chosen one and thus has great insight) to realize that one of the characteristics of the Force is that redemption is possible for all -- even Anakin. This is the real moral of Star Wars and it is somewhat hidden behind everything else that goes on so it is not surprising that you don't see it (again, neither did Yoda nor Obi-Wan). If you allow yourself to sucked in to the "realness" of the scenes that Lucas presents you miss things like that and it suggests that you are only doing a surface read. Yes its a big budget action movie but if you take a moment to NOT be wowed by what is happening, there is stuff there that acts at a deeper level.

      Asides from all that -- who the fuck cares if you are unhappy about these films or the direction that Lucas is taking the franchise? Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that you get to trash it. A lot of people DO enjoy SW and will continue to do so long into the future. As your ability to deconstruct appears somewhat lacking (don't worry, not everyone has great reserves of that talent) it is likely that your judgements on the matter will leave much to be desired. You talk about Lucas' ego and yet it is you who are suffering from delusions. I think Lucas has earned the right to set the direction for SW. You: not so much.

    5. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by SEE · · Score: 1

      An example is the fact that, in the original SW trilogy, the Force is available to anyone willing to commit herself to the ideals of the Jedi. Obi-wan Kenobi offers to teach Han Solo how to master the Force,

      Just because David Brin said it in Salon doesn't mean it's true.

      You are invited to sit down with the laser discs, video tapes, or DVDs, and study them thouroughly. As soon as you find the line where Obi-Wan offers to train Han, post it exactly here, along with the preceeding and following lines from other characters. Try the novelization or NPR's radio drama, too. Go on.

    6. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by iced_773 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I have to agree here. We (the Slashdot crowd) do not give Lucas enough credit. We watch the movies at face value, and ignore the human themes within.

      Remember reading Faulkner in high school/college English class? At the surface, his novels in their full three-page sentence glory seemed not worthy of the dignity of a bonfire. But upon actually studying what the novels meant, their inner meanings, we realized why they were considered good literature. We are doing the same thing to Star Wars. We seem to be overlooking what in the movies are really important.

      Emerson was right: To be great is to be misunderstood.
    7. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The importance of "introducing" midichlorians is that it allowed Lucas to tell us that Anakin was off the chart when it came to natural Force adeptness.
      Wow, what a deep, sophisticated way to show your audience that one of your characters is talented: have a man with a goatee talk into a LadyShave saying that his talentedness ratio is measurably high.

      Also, you don't know what the word "deconstruct" means.
    8. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes young Luke (who is apparently the "real" chosen one and thus has great insight) to realize that one of the characteristics of the Force is that redemption is possible for all -- even Anakin.

      Now I took them as being correct. Anakin WAS the chosen one, because he brought balance back to the force by destroying Palpatine (with Luke's help of course, but he did do it). Although Luke was the one who redeemed him, I think that he was the one who actually brought about the "balance".

    9. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by clem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Asides from all that -- who the fuck cares if you are unhappy about these films or the direction that Lucas is taking the franchise? Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that you get to trash it.

      Actually, the grandparent poster can say anything they damn well feel like about these films. On Slashdot, it's generally accepted that you can post anything you wish as long as you can accept the effects this will have on your karma.

      This allows people to *gasp* criticize movies. Just like it allows you to play the shameless apologist for lukewarm (pun intended) cinema. Are you really objecting that a movie review was based on someone's opinion? Were you expecting objective, empirical evidence?

      Your personal set of taboos don't play a part in these forums.

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    10. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Junkstyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. Anakin IS the chosen one. In the end it was Vader's decision to threw the emperor over the ledge to restore balance in the Force. Do you honestly thing that Yoda and Obiwan thought Luke had even snowballs chance in hell to beat both Vader and the Emperor? Did you see the pathetic Jedi training Luke got in the swamp? Yoda and Obiwan sent Luke in there as an "Jedi Master" because they thought he could change Vader's mind. The whole series is all about Anakin not Luke.

    11. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Junkstyle · · Score: 1

      and pulling Excalibur from a stone is? I agree though it was pretty stupid. Is power should have been discovered some other way.

    12. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 2, Interesting

      WRONG! Did you actually see Star Wars? Luke is the one who rebalanced the force, not Anakin. Yes, the series is about Anakin, but that doesn't mean who was the chosen one. As I've already said, the great sages were wrong and just because obi-wan thought Anakin was the chosen one doesn't make it so.

    13. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      Never mind Wedge Antilles, the leader of Rogue Squadron, appears as 20-odd in Episode III, then in the original trilogy (A New Hope) appears to be 30-odd, then , then he's 28 years after RoTJ in the Rogue Squadron books. Talk about inconsistency...

    14. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      'Also, you don't know what the word "deconstruct" means.'

      If you are going to reply to someone like that you should first understand the words that you use. I used "deconstruct" properly. But it is somewhat rewarding to see a slashdot AC purport to know what the hell they are talking about when in reality it is just so much wind coming out of their ass. Nice try, but restrict your comments to someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to kick you ass.

    15. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Junkstyle · · Score: 1

      What did Luke do? Vader made the choice, Luke was just a pawn.

    16. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      IIRC, Wedge Antilles != Capt. Antilles of the Tantive IV...hell, I think one of the EU things even makes that clear.

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    17. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      "What did Luke do? Vader made the choice, Luke was just a pawn."

      It pains me to have to point out the obvious, but without Luke's intervention--which is based directly on his insight and his rejection of the dark side--there would have been no end of Palpatine. Indeed, without Luke, the dark side would have triumphed. The fact that Anakin was redeemed and did the right thing does not in itself imply that he was the catalyst for that action. It is Luke who leads the galaxy back to light and Darth's transendence is a direct result of Luke's intervention. Therefore, it is Luke who is the chosen one -- the one who restores balance to the force.

      Greets.

    18. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that you post at 0, my friend. This was well done.

    19. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by SEE · · Score: 1

      Captain Antilles, commanding officer of the Tantive IV, appeared in Episode III when he was given the droids, and was killed by Darth Vader holding him up by his throat and crushing it early in Episode IV. C-3PO mentions to Luke in Episode IV that his most recent owner was Captain Antilles. He is called Captain Colton in the novelization of Episode IV.

      Wedge Antilles of Rogue Squadron, who appeared as a fighter pilot in the Battle of Yavin in Episode IV, the Battle of Hoth in Episode V, and the Battle of Endor in Episode VI, is an entirely different person.

      Further, neither of those two are Bail Antilles of Alderaan, who was one of the nominees for Chancellor in the Senate vote that installed Palpatine in Episode I. Bail Antilles of Alderaan is furthermore not the same person as Bail Organa of Alderaan, who appeared in Episodes II and III.

    20. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      If I had your diginity--which I wish I did--I would have said it the way you have instead of the way I did. Thank-you!

    21. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by jbplou · · Score: 1

      The force at Jedi levels was never available to all people. It effects all life but only one with Jedi like powers can wield it. All can learn from the force but few can wield it. Plus your idea that there can not be a good sci-fi series is crazy, last time I checked Star Trek the Next Generation did good. So in summation you sir are a moron.

    22. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      But I was exactly talking about the age of Wedge Antilles, which differs on all of those battles and he ends up being 28 when he should be more like 40.

    23. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by MrNixon · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute.

      Before Anakin:
      Thousands of Jedi
      Two Sith

      After Anakin:
      Two Sith
      Two Jedi

      Good and evil aside, I'd say that's a little more balanced.

    24. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After Anakin:
      Two Sith
      Two Jedi

      Good and evil aside, I'd say that's a little more balanced.

      Yoda: no, there is another.

    25. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Canthros · · Score: 1
      who the fuck cares if you are unhappy about these films or the direction that Lucas is taking the franchise? Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that you get to trash it.
      Actually, it does. But maybe you're unfamiliar with opinions, or discussion on the Internet.

      In the meantime, popularity, as profitability, has never been equivalent to quality. Many great things never gain popularity, while many things which are complete garbage sell like hotcakes. This is a fact of life. That many people still like Star Wars does not invalidate criticism of same.
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    26. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Balance implies that there's some sort of equilibrium between two forces. Before Darth Vader, there were thousands of Light Jedi. After the end of Darth Vader, there was only Luke (who argubly wasn't really a real Jedi). Anakin was the chosen one and brought about a balance in the Force, even if it was a balance that neither Obiwan or Yoda really understood.

      The Jedi Council thought it meant eliminating the Dark Jedi because they were the ones bringing about the unbalance. Afterall, the good Jedi couldn't possibly be in the wrong. They didn't understand that they had unbalanced the Force themselves.

      Plus, if it wasn't for Anakin and Padme, there wouldn't be a Luke, so he also brought about the neutrality.

    27. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Rule_Of_The_Bone · · Score: 1

      As if there is something to ACTUALLY get about these films. I am glad that you managed to extract the meaning of life and the universe from a feature-length toy advertisement (x6). Sucked in by the "realness"? Of what?

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    28. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by MrWa · · Score: 1
      No, you are wrong.

      Anakin is the chosen one (you are right there) and did bring balance to the force, for a couple decades, but not by throwing Sidious over the ledge.

      In the beginning of EP 1 there was the Jedi Council and that was it - the Sith were assumed extinct. Before the presence of the Sith is revealed, the Jedi all start rubbing their chins, thinking that young Anakin will bring "balance" to the Force since he is so powerful.

      Hello - there are nothing but Jedi running around until the two Sith Lords appear.

      Ignoring any backstory (which I don't know or care to know), from watching the movies, it is obvious that Anakin DID bring balance to force - by eliminating all the Jedi but two - leaving Obi Wan and Yoda on the light side and Sidious and Vader on the dark side. Balance. QED.

      Not exactly what the Jedi Council had in mind, but then prophecies can be hard to interpret sometimes. If we take into account the story Sidious tells during the opera, it could even be assumed that Anakin was the product of the dark side to begin with (would the Jedi have dabbled in creating life??) and that the "everything was proceeding to plan" the entire time?

    29. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      [T]he Force is available to anyone willing to commit herself [...].
      Sorry, man; but as soon as you use that wifish third person pronoun, you've lost me.
    30. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while, as the above poster notes, leia is force sensitive and thus there are three jedi, you are also incorrect about the number of sith post anakin, which happens to be zero.

    31. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL.

      by the time of ANH, yes, the force is balanced.

      2 Sith (Vader/Palpatine)
      2 Jedi (Yoda/Obi-Wan)
      2 Unaligned and untrained (Luke/Leia)

      why does no-one ever include them except to supposedly "disprove" the balance? One of the joys of prophecy...everyone interprets it the way they want, but the reality is something entirely different (even Yoda had to own up to that in Ep 3).

      The problem with the whole "balance" prophecy is that LucasArts/books/games/etc. keep adding all these other force users and force sensitives...during the time when they were all supposedly "balanced". 'Course, looking for consistency there is like looking for a Burger in Bangalore...

    32. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by abandonment · · Score: 1

      as others have mentioned, wrong, wrong wrong.

      sure luke intervened, but it is anakin who finally makes the good decision and eliminates the emperor. this is the whole point of the end of return of the jedi - his redepemtion and 'savior' by luke.

      even though luke saved his father's 'soul' (or whatever the star wars version) by showing him the good inside of him (anakin), anakin is indeed the one that makes the final decision to eliminate the emperor.

      on a side note, of all of the star wars crap that's floating around these days, the darth vader blog that was updated prior to the release of episode 3 had the best writing of the entire series - it brought forth vader's personality and writing in a way that no one at lucas arts could possibly.

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    33. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to WTFM again.

    34. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No moron, he's saying that Wedge was never in Ep. III, so your age calculation is completely wrong.

    35. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Clark+Culver · · Score: 1

      goddamn, you're a stupid twat

    36. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but if you want to whine, expect your grapes to be squeezed.

    37. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. He sounds like one of those Star Wars zealots that can't admit the blatant continuity problems and clear cash orientation of the new trilogy. The way he twists logic to hide the errors ("a sage can be wrong") is just grotesque.

      Would be barely tolerable if not for the insults and that "wiser than thou" attitude. God, he sounds like a total asshole.

    38. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      You know Yoda said they might not have gotten it interpreted right.
      Now consider this, Yoda and co. thought balance ment more good. But did it occure to them that as influential and powerfull the Jedi councill had gotten that light side was seriously ascendant and balance would imply rise in the dark side and/or decline in the light side. HMMM Anakin converts to sithdom and slaughters the younglings and helps hunt down a LOT of jedi, CHECK one balancing of the force.
      Also it's mentioned that the chosen one is supposed to destroy the sith, well in rotj he converts back killing Palpy and himself, check again.
      Just because Anakin didn't do it how they wanted doesn't mean he's not The One.

      Mycroft

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    39. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Just one question. If the force was out of balance, which way was it out of balance.
      Seems to me untill Vader/Anaking saved Palpatine from justice(well from M.W.(what is with everyone loosing thier hands?)) the Jedi councill was seriously ascendant, not the sith.
      I'd say it was indeed Anakin.
      Further evidence is that it was Anaking, not luke, who destroyed the sith (Luke was pretty much taking on some fatal shock therapy at the time) in ROTJ by tossing palpy and taking a leathal jolt himself.
      Though I can see the argument that Luke was the catalyst for that last bit, It was still Anakin who did the deed.

      Mycroft

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    40. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      I didn't care for the mitichlorian thing myself.
      However the GP did use deconstruct correctly. It can refer to a form of criticism. And has been used in general to looking at some work of fiction by taking apart the elements that make it up and analysing them.

      Mycroft

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    41. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Lea is not a Jedi however. She has the potential to be eigther Jedi or Sith, and while her actions sofar have pretty much sided with the Jedi way of doing thing, she hasn't really put her 2cents in on the matter of the force itself.
      The actual count (as of end of epIII/start of epIV)
      Yoda and Obiwan
      vs
      Palapatine and Vader
      Obi-Wan dies shortly after Lukes training has began (at vaders hands I might add, here Vader/Anakin is STILL acting to keep it balanced)
      It isn't untill Vader/Anaking fullfills the other part of the prophecy by tossing palpy overboard and taking a leathal jolt (thus ending the sith) that things get unbalanced again.

      I would submit that the bit about destroying the sith is why Yoda and co. thought balance meant all sweetness and light (pretty niave of them, but I've notice most people involved in prophesies in fiction are pretty blind to the obvious).

      Mycroft

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    42. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      So you are saying some people might have the same first or last name and not be the same person. UNPOSSIBLE.
      Seriously though I wonder if they're intended to be relatives, or is Antillies just very common like Smith or Brown or Jones.

      Mycroft

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    43. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Then your defense of the parent poster is equally idiotic. He had his say, I confounded it. You are merely a peanut gallery poster. Sit down, elephant.

      Important logical difference between your argument and his. He stated his opinion. You stated that he should keep his opinion to himself. Putting up your own opinion in contrast to someone else, is different to saying someone elses is invalid.

      Disclaimer: I think Midichlorians are stupid.

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    44. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for the midichlorians, perhaps there is more to it than your apparently limited insight allow for.

      Oh my GOD you need to get laid.

    45. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by shokk · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately you van also make the case that without R2D2 stopping the trash compactor or reversing the elevator in the Invisible Hand, Vader and the Emperor also would not have been stopped. Is R2D2 the "chosen one"?

      It is Vader alone who made the choice to extend his artificial arms and throw the emperor over the edge. Luke was only on the verge of dying at that point. Vader could have easily turned away with a "meh" and let Luke die.

      Questionable is whether any of that mattered with respect to what happened next. Depends on whether you believe the Emperor was using battle meditation to keep the whole thing knitted together. If so, Luke dies and the rebellion ends on that day. If not, the shield generator may still have been knocked out and the Death Star II still blown up.

      In that case could the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda have roamed the galaxy looking for another with high midichlorean count? After all, the Republic was no longer around with their identification program and many force sensitives could have been born and ignored in the years between EpIII and EpIV. A few generations of directed breeding programs, a la Dune, and you might again have a force pupil to rival Sidious and Vader.

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    46. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did Obi-Wan offer to teach Han the Force? Answer: He didn't. If you want an inconsistancy, the biggest in the SixPack would be Luke asking Leia if she remembers her "real" mother and her reply that she remembers images mostly. She was beautiful but seems sad.
      Then again, "images" could mean that Bail, her adopted father, decided to show her photos of her mother.

      I agree that the series might have an issue with original stories... then again, it's the galaxy. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with tons of stories. Especially not when the timeline covers 20 some odd years.

      The problem ST had... aside from the fact that they came up with weird, hard to buy into, storylines involving timetravel wars... was that only a very few select people were involved in the story writing process. It was too tightly controlled and so ideas stopped flowing. SW has a massive number of people already involved in making storylines for the series AND there is already a process in place for ensuring the stories will generate a consistant timeline without stiffling the stories.

      The greatest problem a TV series for SW is going to face is in trying to run it without having any of the major charecters involved. No Vader. No Fett (at least not without the helmet on). No Luke... No Yoda... No ObiWan... No Palpatine. A cast of unknown characters that might or might not have recurring parts.

      But, since the fan films can manage to create rather darn good quality movies with plausible characters and plots and effects without the offical backing of Lucas and without a lot of money and still generate fan buzz (IE: Troopers, Troopers II = IMPS, Revelations) it shouldn't be too hard for "professionals" to make the same sorts of episodes for TV.
      And if it is, they could just start playing fan films.

    47. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by King_B · · Score: 1

      Is it not possible that the prophecy was misinterpreted, as Yoda said in Episode III, such that the balance refers to the fact that at the conclusion of that film, the force has been balanced with exactly two Jedi and two Sith remaining in the universe?

    48. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo! Wedge would, at most, have been a baby in EpIII. i never saw anything close to where Wedge would be flying in the movie. Why would he? The clones were flying the Republic fighter. The droids were flying droid fighters. Where were non-clone/non-Jedi flying? Answer... they weren't.

      Wedge, in SW 4 New Hope looks to be about Luke's age... twentyish at oldest. So, 28 in the Rogue Squad series would be just about exactly right.

      Wow. what a surprise... the committee that works tirelessly to make sure the SW books that are given the SW seal (IE: canon, not like some of the old comics) fit seamlessly together got it right.

      Wedge was never in EpIII. And Antilles is, basically, the Smith of the SW universe. One of the most common of names. Sort of like Solo is actually not too uncommon and is rather common to Corellia. Now Skywalker... that's a unique name. Kenobi. Palpatine.

    49. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Note how both Yoda and Obi-Wan (whom we would assume should know better) are both bent on getting Luke to destroy Darth. Obi-Wan never fails in this persuit even though Padame's dying words to him were insistant that there was still good in Anakin. It takes young Luke (who is apparently the "real" chosen one and thus has great insight) to realize that one of the characteristics of the Force is that redemption is possible for all -- even Anakin. This is the real moral of Star Wars

      So the possible redemption of one man is worth allowing him to murder millions of people while he "works out his issues"? If that's the real moral of SW, it's not one I (and apprently Yoda and Obi-Wan) have any sympathy for. If Darth had been killed earlier, aside from those he directly had a hand in killing surviving, most likely the Empire would have fallen sooner and entire planets saved from oppression.

    50. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by quisph · · Score: 1
      Just because you don't get it doesn't mean that you get to trash it.

      Just because he's trashing it doesn't mean he doesn't "get" it.

    51. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Elric81 · · Score: 1

      I think you were not correctly listening: when does Obi Wan offer to teach Han Solo? Does he say "Learn the ways of the Force?" I think you should watch the old trilogy again with care for what they say (remember: when they move lips you can hear pretty sounds coming out: these are words and have meanings ;) ); for example the words of Yoda ("Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter!"). The Force is powerful in the Skywalkers. You could find better and more believable flaws out of the new trilogy.

    52. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      It is Vader alone who made the choice to extend his artificial arms and throw the emperor over the edge.

      Exactly how a high-level telekinetic could die from falling in orbit will go unquestioned.

      In that case could the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda have roamed the galaxy looking for another with high midichlorean count?

      No, because they were only hallucinatory projections of Luke's brain. Those people were dead- the "ghosts" were merely Luke's Force power making his memories of them more vivid.

    53. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      "Important logical difference between your argument and his. He stated his opinion. You stated that he should keep his opinion to himself. Putting up your own opinion in contrast to someone else, is different to saying someone elses is invalid."

      See this is the problem, people don't follow threads. The poster you are replying to did not state an opinion, he told me that the grandparent had the right the state his opinion. I didn't say the grandparent didn't have the right to say something, I asked if anyone cared for his whining and then I pointed out that he doesn't get to trash SW. I should have said *without rebuke* but that was obviously implied.

      As for the poster you replied to, because he was (and remains) someone who buds in without an opinion on the discussion, I told him to sit down. Now I tell you the same.

    54. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Takes one to know one. Of course, at least I have what it takes to defend a position while you only seem to know enough words to insult without reason. Go home little one.

    55. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1


      Just because David Brin said it in Salon doesn't mean it's true.

      So what? It's not as if David Brin said it in Salon. Maybe you're thinking of Stefan Jones.

    56. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      I told him to sit down. Now I tell you the same.

      Aren't you the pleasant one? The thing is that you can tell anyone to sit down on /. and still not have any power over them to make them do it, whatsoever. All you can do to make the readers of /. agree with you is to use reasoned debate.

      So tell me, how do you reconcile telling someone to sit down (i.e. shut up) with "I didn't say the grandparent didn't have the right to say something." Or how do reconcile that with "he doesn't get to trash SW" and "rebuking" him for doing so? All your words.

      So you see mate, I can follow the threads quite adequately thank you. And I believe I have used reasoned debate quite effectively also.

      Which as I pointed out at the beginning, is a great deal more effective in winning people to my side than telling people to "sit down,"

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    57. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Hoarke42 · · Score: 1

      Anakin is the chosen one (TM) because Lucas said so.

      Anyway... one thing on the balance is everyone assumes equal numbers on each side == balance and that Jedi and Sith are the only force users. There are plenty of other force users in the EU. How do we even know there wasn't at least one Jedi who got the message to not return to the Temple and thus survived with no one (not even Obi-Wan or Yoda) the wiser?

      Balance could mean no Sith. It could be equal number. It could mean equal power. It could mean stopping something coming which would upset the entire galaxy further.

    58. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      My question to you is, why are all of your posts towards me regarding the so-called decorum of posting here while none of them are discussing the actual content of the thread? I put my neck out on the line by responding to what, in my opinion, was an obvious troll. I didn't do it as an AC and I was quite sure to make it clear that if someone wants to trample on someone elses pet topics, they should expect some trampling in return. I knew the consequences and I didn't care -- sometimes you have to fight fire with fire no matter what anyone else thinks.

      If your only point to comment is to say that I could have been more diplomatic, well, I just don't care. Slashdot is not the home of reasoned debate -- it is filled with trolls and as long as they are bashing things with inane comments that are (for whatever reason) important to me, I will freely deal with them and tell them any dumb thing that comes to my mind. Sorry if I offended you sensibilities but if all you have to offer is commentary regarding the STYLE of my posts, then what else can I say?

    59. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      It goes further, Obi wan starts to train Luke, there are 3 jedi and two sith. Vader kills Obi Wan, back to 2 & 2.

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    60. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      "(what is with everyone loosing thier hands?)"

      When swashbuckling, what is the main item protruded from your body in the way of a swinging blade?"

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    61. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      My question to you is, why are all of your posts towards me regarding the so-called decorum of posting here while none of them are discussing the actual content of the thread?

      Because I believe that we should use reasoned debate to get across our points rather than invective. Contrary to your view, I do not believe that you have to fight fire with fire. You will not convince your "opponent" with aggression (fire), but you might persuade many people who are reading both sides to your own by not doing so. In view of that, I wished to point out the inconsistency in what you were saying.

      However, you do have a point in that I haven't contributed anything to the subject matter so I'll state my opinion now. We will have to agree to disagree however, as it isn't in line with your own.

      The poster that you originally replied to said that a tv series would dilute the "myth" because we would see the same plots being recycled. I think this is likely to be true because (a) Lucas and crew will have limited ideas and (b) if the characters are not going to change much over the course of the series, which would mess up the cannon, then you keep having to return them to their starting position / character.

      When you have created something good then you stop and let it be. You don't keep hawking it forever until the original value is buried in needless detail.

      You raised the issue of midichlorians. The original poster that you accused of having a limited imagination on the subject had not previously mentioned them. But in your defense of them you listed several possible justifications of them. All of these justifications seemed to have little foundation in the movies. Yes - you can use them, but without their support in the films, you are loaning the film some credibility. A good story shouldn't depend on the viewer helping to prop it up.

      All that I saw in EpI, was the Force go from something mysterious and universal to a measurable genetic trait. The problem with this is that previously, the Force seems in some way part of a person's essential being, and now it is something that I could probably get in a blood transfusion. Essentially, it removes the characters' responsibility by making what was previously an important part of them, merely a birthright.

      Your opinion may vary, of course, but I hope mine doesn't interfere with your enjoyment. Equally, I hope you can see where I'm coming from.

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    62. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by xoboots · · Score: 1

      Yes, our opinions differ and my interest in this thread has waned some time ago but since you took the time to talk about SW I will say that my argumentation on the Midichlorians is indeed based in the actual events of SW. Furthermore the supposition that sages are fallable is a long held tradition in fables, post-moden stories and the SW trilogies themselves. It is notable, for example, that in EP3 it is far too late that the sages themselves realize that they have been mislead and decieved -- they are indeed fallible and I am quite certrain that this is part of the message that Lucas is hoping to impart.

      I fully understand why people hate the idea of midichlorians but typically anyone who says so mentions it as a reaction much like the one you have: you didn't expect it. Still, it helps harmonize the idea of the Force with the "force" like entities from eastern traditions such as prana and chi which are both related to breath and have a long history of mysterious powers. Furthermore, if you examine the wikipedia entry for midichlorians it says:

      "The word "midi-clorian" appears to be a blend of "mitochondrion" and "chloroplast", two organelles found in real cells and thought to have evolved from bacteria that also came to live as endosymbionts inside other cells."

      In otherwords, it is possible to read Lucas as having some fun here by postulating something that is currently unconfirmed but suspected. It is noteworthy that these two organelles are endosymbionts -- they are not derived from your DNA as amazing as that sounds since they actually reside as part of your cell structure. Even more amazingly, there would be no life without them as they are largely responsible for energy conversion within the cell.

      What is a little bit unnerving, to me at least, is that those were merely examples I used to demonstrate that the original poster was content to bash Lucas based on very superficial reads of the story and moreso, suggest that he or others not only could do better but deserved the chance to prove it more than Lucas does. How absurd. Maybe this also explains some of the reason I was so willing to tell people to be quite -- it is exactly what they are telling Lucas to do.

      I will also respond to one point that keeps coming up because I think it needs to be said: in regards to having a serious discussion here, we are both posting into a SW related thread on Slashdot that was spurned by a troll or at least flamebait material. I think it is somewhat folly to expect a good debate here. While I will typically take a very different stance in other threads and other forums here I see no reason to do so.

      You, though, have proven yourself to be above reproach so I will tip my hat to you and say "good day"!

    63. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      I'm happy for people to disagree with me, so long as it is not because they haven't understood me or because they want to "win" regardless of truth.

      And I believe that you have and you don't, so we'll leave it in amicable irreconcilability. :)

      Have a good evening,
      -H.

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    64. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by SEE · · Score: 1

      So what? It's not as if David Brin said it in Salon.

      Er, yes, he did. That he said it via an attributed quote doesn't change that Brin used the statement as direct support for an argument in an opinion piece. He was not merely reporting, he was making a statement.

    65. Re:Beginning of the End of Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      The hand may be sticking out, but then so is the sword. Frankly getting an arm cut right at the wrist isn't as likely as a nasty cut farther up, above the elbow. Though with light sabers having no effective guard I can see the likelyhood of a closer contact increasing some, but when you consider the likely positions of the respective swords/sabers for a wrist cut to occure you can see where the looser would have be significantly out-matched for such a cut to be very likely.
      But notice how many pivotal moments are when some-one looses a hand. Not all of them, nor do they occure every time a hand is lost, but it seems a bit high for random chance.
      Luke finds out about his father when he looses his. Finally throws off the emperor's manipulations when he takes Vaders. Also Anakin's first significant defeat is loosing his hand to Doku. And he slices off Mace's hand as his first deliberate step towards switching sides.
      The question however was only semi-serious. The lost hand referent is likely drawn from existing mythology and symbology. For example Tyr's loosing a hand to enable the binding of Loki's wolf-like ofspring (Fenris?).
      There are other referents IIRC, but I'm up way past bedtime to be thinking completely clearly.

      Mycroft

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  24. Young Skywalker by Kaimelar · · Score: 4, Funny

    He also mentioned that one of the shows would follow the adventures of a young Luke Skywalker . . .

    I don't see why so many people are negative about this prospect. I mean, how could this possibly go wrong? ;-)

    1. Re:Young Skywalker by shotgunefx · · Score: 1

      Um, didn't Luke not really have any adventures? I thought the point was he had a boring and hard life farming and then out of nowhere, he gets taken up in a great adventure and has to save the universe?

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    2. Re:Young Skywalker by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      I thought the point was he had a boring and hard life farming and then out of nowhere

      Hey! You Coruscant folks might not like it, but out here we can find plenty of adventure just bulls-eyeing some womp-rats.

    3. Re:Young Skywalker by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Actually Luke thought his life was boring because he was always dreaming about what if. Yoda even gives him gruff about it indirectly talking to Obi-Wan's ghost on dagobah just before Luke figures out who he is.
      Yet he comments on how X-wings are just like flying something he's used to back home, and he admits to being a pilot when talking to Han the first time'"...You bet I could, I'm not such a bad pilot myself...".
      And that whole bullyseyeing womprats back home thing.
      I figure he'd done some flying, possibly with the equivalant of crop duster, and shooting at 'womp-rats' from his craft.
      Though I suspect his adventures would more like a SF version of huck fin or dukes of hazzard.
      There couldn't be any use of the force in any way Luke or his friends could take serious (I fear the writers would try and sneek it in and so over use it no one would believe it could happen that much without Luke noticing).

      Mycroft

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    4. Re:Young Skywalker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only two ideas I can come up with are Little Moisture Farm on the Prarie, and Tashi Station 90210. Both are equally unappealing.

  25. Trailer by jrivar59 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A trailer for the upcoming TV series (Young Darth) can be found here.

  26. Star {Wars,Trek} by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful


    It seems that Star Trek isn't the only over-exploited franchise that needs to take a rest for a decade or two.

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  27. Adventures? by TeacherOfHeroes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought that episode IV kind of established that Luke's life up to that point had been really boring...

    How can you make a tv series that needs 20-24 interesting things to happen each year out of that?

    1. Re: Adventures? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      > I thought that episode IV kind of established that Luke's life up to that point had been really boring...

      Now that is a story line that Lucas is qualified to do right.

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    2. Re: Adventures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: Adventures? (Score:2)

      by Black Parrot (19622) on Saturday June 18, @07:43PM (#12853436)

      > I thought that episode IV kind of established that Luke's life up to that point had been really boring...

      Now that is a story line that Lucas is qualified to do right.



      George: Space...wheat. Space...corn. Space..oats. I'm just beginning to think that space oats isn't the answer.

      Marion: Well, maybe you weren't meant to write agricultural space tragedies.
  28. wtf.... by Munk · · Score: 1

    I thought the whole point of the first scenes of Ep IV was to establish the fact that Tatooine was a very boring place and that Luke couldn't wait to get away from the planet. Assuming this is right, then how much of a TV show could you make about working on a moisture farm??? Of course, I'm sure Lucas and company will just ignore this fact because they haven't worried about any of the other continuity issues.

    1. Re:wtf.... by Mahou · · Score: 1

      they haven't worried about any of the other continuity issues.

      well it did work for Smallville

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    2. Re:wtf.... by Munk · · Score: 1

      true enough, but then I'm a much more of a die hard starwars fan that I am superman

  29. If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by reporter · · Score: 1
    But if you're asking him to stop making movies his way and make them the way you want to see them, he'll tell you what any artist would tell you: go make your own movie.

    Whenever SlashDot posts a "Star Wars" (SW) topic in this forum, participants soon push the number of submitted articles to about 1000. There are many fans who are committed to the original myth in original SW trilogy, not the new myth in the new trilogy.

    I would also bet that, among those devoted fans, are some rich folks who have the financial means to write and film a much better prequel than what Lucas botched (except possibly for SW III). If Lucas would just agree to license his characters from the original trilogy so that others could develop an alternative prequel, then I am sure that others would make their "own [damn] movie".

    The introduction of midichlorians bothers me to no end. That wonderful message that the force is available to anyone committed to the nobel ideals (compassion, honesty, etc.) of the Jedi disappeared into a flushed toilet when Lucas introduced "midichlorians". The Jedi knights went from a nobel, egalitarian group to a snobbish group whose members are determined by blood.

    1. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I would also bet that, among those devoted fans, are some rich folks who have the financial means to write and film a much better prequel than what Lucas botched (except possibly for SW III). If Lucas would just agree to license his characters from the original trilogy so that others could develop an alternative prequel, then I am sure that others would make their "own [damn] movie".

      I hate Lucas as much as the next guy but it should be noted that Lucas is very supportive of fan films. In fact, I think he actually acts as a judge for fan film contests sometimes.

    2. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by dtungsten · · Score: 1

      The introduction of midichlorians bothers me to no end. That wonderful message that the force is available to anyone committed to the nobel [sic] ideals (compassion, honesty, etc.) of the Jedi disappeared into a flushed toilet when Lucas introduced "midichlorians". The Jedi knights went from a nobel, [sic] egalitarian group to a snobbish group whose members are determined by blood.

      While I agree that the midichlorians are total crap, you are wrong about the "egalitarianness problem" of the Jedi. It was always about family/genetics. I've seen a comment like yours is the last 3 Star Wars postings (not sure if it was you each time, but one of those posts was corrected), and I'm tired of seeing this wrong information, just because YOU didn't understand what "the Force is strong in my family" meant. The Force was never something open to just anybody. You were either sensitive to it or not; you either had it or you didn't. Now I don't see how that makes the Jedi "snobbish" since there was no choice on whether someone had Jedi powers. The Jedi would take anybody, so long as that individual was Force sensitive (enough) and young enough to be brought up "right".

      I hope that clears things up.

    3. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The introduction of midichlorians bothers me to no end. That wonderful message that the force is available to anyone committed to the nobel ideals disappeared into a flushed toilet."

      Actually, I was left with the impression that he did that on purpose. I figured he was fed up with so many silly kids taking his fable so seriously and decided to send some sort of message like "there, midichlorians, you will NEVER be a Jedi because you don't have them, if that's what it takes you to snap out of my over-effective money-making plot".

      Actually, I see the whole prequel as a long spiteful message to the insufferable ranks of too enthusiastic fans: "See, guys? This is all just about money. It's always been. How low do I have to go for you to see it?"

    4. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      To those fans I'd say that the words "go make your own movie" should be followed by "from scratch".

      Seriously, it's his "stuff". His characters, his situations, his stories, and his ideas. It plays out the way he wants it and just because a bunch of people like it a lot doesn't mean they get to choose what happens or how things are done. For that they need to go create their own "stuff".

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    5. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no - see you MAKE YOUR OWN ORIGINAL MATERIAL. That's what being an artist is about. You're apparently just a fan.

    6. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Not only that, Lucas Arts allows many mods to use the Star Wars universe.

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    7. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      It plays out the way he wants it and just because a bunch of people like it a lot doesn't mean they get to choose what happens or how things are done.

      Congratulations, you've just explained what's wrong with the fundamental ideas of global copyright law.

      Lucas said he wanted to "create myth". Myths aren't owned. How can it be good for children's dreams to be pervaded with heros and adventures that they cannot build upon in their own works 30 years later?

    8. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      The Force was never something open to just anybody. You were either sensitive to it or not; you either had it or you didn't.

      Yes, YOU had it. Your brain, your mind, your soul. YOU. Not some monocelluar organisms floating in your bloodstream. It was once based on emotional purity and, yes, grace. A superstition, not a factor quantifiable by biologists.

      If The Force was inherited through an insubstantial magical power, then there is nothing the Jedi Order can do about who gets it. But if it is genetic, then there is no explanation why everyone couldn't have gotten this gene.

    9. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is that you'd like Lucas to release the source code to Star Wars under the GPL?

    10. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by dtungsten · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I think you actually explained what I was trying to say. The point I was trying to make was that, all along, you had to be born with it (in whatever way you get it), you couldn't "train into" it. Jedi training was only offered to those who had the potential to tap into it. Obi-wan never "offered the Force to Han," mainly because Han couldn't use it.

      Everyone I've ever talked to about Star Wars, except for reporter, seems to get that. I'm talking before Episode I came out this was evident.

    11. Re:If Lucas would not sue, then we'd make a movie. by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1


      Lucas said he wanted to "create myth" but do you really take him at his word? I for one don't. Lucas wanted to create money and that's exactly what he did.

      I too was a child and my dreams were pervaded with heros and adventures in much the same way you describe. You would be amazed (or maybe not) at how many times the crew of the Enterprise helped the Justice League solve mysteries when my MEGO's got together. Later my Star Wars figures often rode around in my Eagle lander from Space 1999 and got help fighting the Empire from my Buck Rogers figures/vehicles. No lawsuit or power in the universe could prevent my child-self from building upon those works with whatever was at hand. That's why you miss the point.

      You're an adult now, not a child. You need to create your own myths and quit blindly following the ones Lucas sells you because you have no right to his outside of your own mind. That's the way it's supposed to be. Create something new and give it away if you want to make new myths everyone can play with.

      Lucas doesn't make myths, he makes money. It's about money, not your childhood.

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  30. one of the most successful bad writers in history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Cranky says:
    "Here's proof that Lucas may be one of the most successful bad writers in history.
    Ask yourself: What was the most memorable line in the entire "Star Wars" series?
    If you can even think of one, good for you, but if you think hard, the answer is obvious
    (and it wasn't Jake Lloyd's "Yippee!" from Episode I).
    It occurs in "The Empire Strikes Back."
    Han Solo is about to be frozen and shipped to Jabba the Hutt as Princess Leia looks on in horror.
    "I love you," she tells him.
    Han looks at her and responds: "I know."
    Well, that line was improvised by Harrison Ford.
    Lucas didn't write it.
    If Lucas had insisted on it being performed as written, it would have been something like:
    "I love you too, my darling. I'm getting frozen now!""
    http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/starwarsepisode3rev engeofthesith.html

  31. Not good by JahToasted · · Score: 1
    Why don't they just make up new characters but have it set in the SW universe. yeah the occasional cameo of chewie or the droids, would be fine. And of course Jimmy Smits as bail organa would be great, and probably neccessary since I figure he would be the major player in the rebellion.

    But do we really need to know how Jabba met that pale dude with that snake thing on his head? Or am I the only one that found the appearance of the original series character so tacked on?

  32. Give it a break! by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 1

    "Star Wars: Clone Wars" cartoons were better that episode 1 and 2 IMHO. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361243/ Sometimes TV series can be better that the movie they are based. Take Stargate: SG1 for example.

  33. Does that mean... by thanasakis · · Score: 1

    ...that I will be able to see this in 3D?

  34. Super 3D special effect by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Depending on the angle you watch it from, either Han or Greedo can shoot first!

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  35. But he is a BAD artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Art, Sma-art.
    Lucas may be an artist, but his is (now a days) a bad, incompetent artist.

    Just being an artist doesn't mean you are someone to be admired. You actually need to be a good artist.

  36. The "adventures" of Young Luke? by thesandtiger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought the whole point of him whining about life on Tatooine was because the only adventures he was having involved "zeroing" womp rats.

    The problem with such Superboy-esque things is that they just can't do too much with them - we know he can't die, can't suffer any real loss or develop at all as a character (after all, the Luke we first met was hardly heroic - he whines a lot and builds model shuttles. Wow!)

    Show me Han Solo's earlier life. Show me Leia's life - she at least seems to have been doing things for the rebellion. Show me anything, but god, please, don't show me 10 episodes of "Luke and his old pal Wompy get in trouble with Uncle Owen when they get sand in tender spots."

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    1. Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? by ziggy_zero · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Han and Chewie had plenty of adventures before they met up with Obi-Wan and Luke...the stuff that Brian Daley wrote could make a decent show.

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    2. Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? by jolande · · Score: 1

      I dont know about you, but I would love to see Luke go into Tashi Station to pick up some power converters. That would be classic TV at it's best.

    3. Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's where the Temporal War kicks in...

    4. Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? by kerp11 · · Score: 1

      "and reveal how certain characters ended up together."

      i take this as meaning that they'll do a story on how han and chewie get together, which according to all the star wars fiction that has been published (that lucas pretty much raped with his prequils) han saved chewie from slavery while he was training to be an imperial pilot.

      that in itself could make an excellent story if lucas sticks to it, but no doubt he'll end up writing a story thats designed around the potential computer game spin off, where han had to jump from tree to tree and eat some mushrooms to grow bigger, then at the end rescues chewie from an evil turtle.

    5. Re:The "adventures" of Young Luke? by quisph · · Score: 1
      Show me Han Solo's earlier life.

      I thought Lucas already did that.

      Oh, wait...

  37. We get to see him dust some womp rats by Urusai · · Score: 1

    It'll be like "The Dukes of Hazzard" with a land speeder instead of a Charger (call it the "General Ackbar"). Luke and his step-brother Bo zip around Tatooine running Corellian moonshine, while their sexy adopted Twi'lek cousin Deyzee distracts the klutzy bounty hunters that Boss Jabba sends after them. It's must-see TV!!

  38. budget by geniusnate · · Score: 1

    Talk about sending starwars into the water. All I can say it 'budget show'. How about throw some more cheesy dialog and cg in there while you are it.

  39. You all are depressing... by fishlet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reading the comments to this story makes me sad. I just went to see Episode III for the 3rd time today and I'm even more impressed this time around. Then I come to slashdot and all I read is how you all hated this film and everything since the original series has been crap. What I see is that Mr Lucas has really taken a sincere effort to improve... and theres evidence that he listens to his fans (how many lines of Jar Jar dialog were there in this one?). Though not without some flaws, this film has certainly recaptured the magic for me....

    but then again- why should I care as I increasingly believe that the dominant crowd here is wrong about a great many things. IE: Not all software should be free, Linux is not superior to Windows (anymore), The RIAA is not evil for pursuing sharers of copyrighted work, oh... and the latest start wars was pretty damn good.

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    1. Re:You all are depressing... by reiggin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, now... please don't taunt the communists.

    2. Re:You all are depressing... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      This post is mostly totally OT but I don't give a fuck.

      I also LOVED the new star wars, so you're not alone :)

      Linux is not superior to Windows

      About this, I'm actually thinking that the time for me to switch to using linux full-time (I mostly use linux for programming only right now) is approaching, because of Microsoft's stupid Trusted Computing initiatives... Depending on how successfull they are with that, I'll make my decision (though a problem will be convincing my family with our common PC... linux is still not as perfect as windows for some things unfortunately).

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    3. Re:You all are depressing... by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

      oh... and the latest start wars was pretty damn good.

      Yeah pal, you did just start a war alright :)

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  40. Dual Lens for 3D? by arbi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't 3D versions of the movie require that the original footage be shot using dual lenses that are spaced about 3 inches apart?

    1. Re:Dual Lens for 3D? by adrianmonk · · Score: 4, Informative
      Wouldn't 3D versions of the movie require that the original footage be shot using dual lenses that are spaced about 3 inches apart?

      Not anymore. There is a company that has figured out how to do it with computers, and George Lucas has said he wants to use their technology to re-do all 6 movies.

    2. Re:Dual Lens for 3D? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but look what happened last time Lucas used computers to 'enhance' the story.

  41. obligatory somethingawful read by metroplex · · Score: 1

    here it is Enjoy :-)

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  42. Great! by rune2 · · Score: 1

    Now Darth Vader can really reach out and strangle someone! Now with new critic-proof technology that lets Lucas do it to catcalling audience memebers!

  43. Flatland: now in 3D! by zerokey93 · · Score: 1
    Ooh! 3D! Now I can have my childhood joy obliterated all over again by poor direction, flat characters, acting and dialogue.
    But this time, it will be IN MY FACE FLAT! BEEYOTCH!
    I bet I'll even get to wear annoying glasses over my regular ones!

    YAY!

    Star Wars 1-3 is like alt.pave.the.earth in action. Now with ewoks.

  44. The Empire rolls on... by Harker · · Score: 1

    Not that Empire, I mean the great Lucas Empire.

    Remaking the SW movies in 3D is, IMO, nothing more than a bit to suck more money out of the fans.

    Even though I enjoyed All the movies, I'll not bother.

    I am looking forward to the TV Show though.

    H.

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  45. In Soviet Russia by Sark666 · · Score: 1

    YOU shoot Han!

  46. Re:Young Michael Jackson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obligatory:
    As He Came Into The Window / It Was The Sound Of A Crescendo
    He Came Into Her Apartment / He Left The Bloodstains On The Carpet
    She Ran Underneath The Table / He Could See She Was Unable
    So She Ran Into The Bedroom / She Was Struck Down, It Was Her Doom

    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK
    Are You OK, Annie / Annie Are You OK?
    So, Annie Are You OK / Are You OK, Annie
    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK?
    Are You OK, Annie? / Annie Are You OK?
    So, Annie Are You Ok, Are You Ok, Annie?

    (Annie Are You OK?) / (Will You Tell Us That You're OK?)
    (There's A Sign In The Window) / (That He Struck You - A Crescendo Annie)
    (He Came Into Your Apartment) / (He Left The Bloodstains On The Carpet)
    (Then You Ran Into The Bedroom) / (You Were Struck Down)
    (It Was Your Doom)

    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK?
    Are You OK Annie? / Annie Are You OK?
    So, Annie Are You OK? / Are You OK Annie?
    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK?
    Are You OK Annie?
    You've Been Hit By / You've Been Hit By - A Smooth Criminal

    So They Came Into The Outway / It Was Sunday - What A Black Day
    Mouth To Mouth Resuscitation / Sounding Heartbeats - Intimidations

    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK?
    Are You OK Annie? / Annie Are You OK?
    So, Annie Are You OK? / Are You OK Annie?
    Annie Are You OK? / So, Annie Are You OK?
    Are You OK Annie? / Annie Are You OK?
    So, Annie Are You OK / Are You OK Annie?

    (Annie Are You OK?) / (Will You Tell Us That You're OK?)
    (There's A Sign In The Window) / (That He Struck You - A Crescendo Annie)
    (He Came Into Your Apartment) / (He Left The Bloodstains On The Carpet)
    (Then You Ran Into The Bedroom) / (You Were Struck Down)
    (It Was Your Doom)

    (Annie Are You OK?) / (So, Annie Are You OK?)
    (Are You OK Annie?) / (You've Been Hit By)
    (You've Been Struck By - A Smooth Criminal)

    Okay, I Want Everybody To Clear The Area Right Now!

    Aaow! / (Annie Are You OK?)
    I Don't Know! / (Will You Tell Us, That You're OK?)
    I Don't Know! / (There's A Sign In The Window)
    I Don't Know! / (That He Struck You - A Crescendo Annie)
    I Don't Know! / (He Came Into Your Apartment)
    I Don't Know! / (Left Bloodstains On The Carpet)
    I Don't Know Why Baby! / (Then You Ran Into The Bedroom)
    I Don't Know! / (You Were Struck Down)
    (It Was Your Doom - Annie!) / (Annie Are You OK?)
    Dad Gone It - Baby! / (Will You Tell Us, That You're OK?)
    Dad Gone It - Baby! / (There's A Sign In The Window)
    Dad Gone It - Baby! / (That He Struck You - A Crescendo Annie)
    Hoo! Hoo! / (He Came Into Your Apartment)
    Dad Gone It! / (Left Bloodstains On The Carpet)
    Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! / (Then You Ran Into The Bedroom)
    Dad Gone It! / (You Were Struck Down)
    (It Was Your Doom-Annie!)
    Aaow!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

  47. a young luke skywalker??????!!?!?!??! by McDrewbie · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone think this would be interesting? He would be younger and probably more whiny. He would be stuck on Tatooine. And he wouldn't have any Jedi powers or knowledge of the force. What's the point? Now maybe following the adventures of a younger Han Solo, that might be exciting.

  48. Smallville... in space! by Lionfire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does anyone else think that Smallville in space might be a bad idea? Especially without any super powers?

    No, wait -- perhaps Luke can discover his Force-powers, and then forget them all just before the droids arrive.

    Wow, this is going to be so great. Luke with his Force-powers, young Han and Leia hanging out with him in Mos Eisley. C3P0 and R2D2 can serve drinks or something, right before they have their memories erased again.

    George Lucas is really onto a winning formula here!

  49. Luke 90210 by orin · · Score: 1

    Excellent! Now we can spend a whole episode watching Luke go to Toshi station to pick up the power converters. Another episode watching Luke lust after Camie. We will finally know how Windy got his name! (It is interesting that this footage was present on one of the Star Wars CD-ROMS (Behind The Magic) but not included on the DVD) Of course every year we also get a very special Christmas Episode on Luke! 90210.

  50. Just give it to Genndy Tartakovsky by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    His "Clone Wars" shorts wound up being better than all three of the prequels.

    --
    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    1. Re:Just give it to Genndy Tartakovsky by cyberfelon2k5 · · Score: 1
      Clone Wars is cool, I'm a big fan of the show, but saying that it was better than all the prequels is such an reverse-fanboy thing to say. Regardless of what you thought of the prequels, Clone Wars piggy-backed off the prequel films and had very little story or character development of its own. If the prequel films were made in the style of Clone Wars what you would end up with is a bunch of random battles. Besides, everyone here would still find some way to bitch about them so that they can appear "edgy". What all these whining Slashdotters don't realise is that all it makes them look like is a bunch of grumpy old men who always talk about the good old days and can't accept that any new Star Wars material could be as good as the originals.

      But I suppose complaining about the prequels for six years is normal around here. Gotta fit in somehow, I guess.

  51. I think Obi Wan said it best: by starX · · Score: 1

    "I felt a great distrubance in the force; a great number of voices cried out, and were suddenly silenced..."

    So maybe I don't have the quotation perfect, but I have yet to meet a fan that thinks the tv show is a good idea.

  52. Lucas heard of sequels? by catmistake · · Score: 1

    What would be wrong with going ahead with the original plan of 9 movies? I heard that the last three (unmade) films were wrapped up into Jedi (VI), but I can't believe that crap...

    What happens next? Man... they could fit 3 films between III and IV if they wanted to... but they have to crap it up with TV bs...

    Its a sad truth that the best special effects on TV ever were used in Star Trek series...

    Personally, I liked I, II & III, a few problems, but nothing that will stop me from watching them 17 times each... but if they put it on tv, its going to get really cheasy, with crappy special effects, and crappy acting... and just forget about the writing getting any better...

    Gosh! What a screw up! I'm glad I pirated his stupid movies!

    --
    The Admin and the Engineer
    1. Re:Lucas heard of sequels? by dagr8tim · · Score: 1

      Have you ever read the Timothy Zahn trilogy? From what I understand, it is loosely based on what the last 3 movies were going to be.

      And if not, why not use them as the basic frame work for 3 movies.

      Personally I'd rather see what happned 1000 years before TPM with the creation of the republic, the last sith wars, maybe see yoda as a padawan learner, or learn more about the sith temples on Yavin 4.

      --
      "Does your computer have IP on it?"
    2. Re:Lucas heard of sequels? by m50d · · Score: 1

      Because A) they're not that good B) they're not really conclusive.

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      I am trolling
    3. Re:Lucas heard of sequels? by dagr8tim · · Score: 1

      I never said they were good. I simply stated that they were a source of information of events after RotJ.

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      "Does your computer have IP on it?"
    4. Re:Lucas heard of sequels? by m50d · · Score: 1

      You asked "why not use them as the basic frame work for 3 movies." I know it's possible to get something good from bad source material e.g. the chronicles of riddick game, but it's a lot better to start from something good.

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      I am trolling
  53. 3D? Bah! by dangitman · · Score: 1

    Why are they releasing old-fashioned 3D movies, when everybody knows that the ultimate cinematic experience is smell-o-vision? With smell-o-vision, we'd be able to experience Jabba the Hutt as he was truly meant to be experienced.

    --
    ... and then they built the supercollider.
    1. Re:3D? Bah! by mikefoley · · Score: 1

      I think I'll pass on the TaunTaun, thanks.

      --
      What's my Karma Mr. Burns? "Excellent"
  54. Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So this ordinary, middle-class American male walks into a bar. "Gimme a beer, whatever you have on tap," he says, slapping down a fiver. The bartender, smiling, reaches below the bar, audibly zips his fly, and a moment later produceds a tall glass that looks suspiciously as if it might be full of warm urine. But our guy is a trusting soul, and he gulps it down anyway. Big mistake. He retches, curses, and them storms out, furious.

    Three years later, the same guy walks into the same bar and asks the same bartender for a beer. No problemo, says the barkeep. Zzzzip. Handed what again looks like something better suited to a specimen jar, the guy barely hesitates. Down the hatch it goes, and then halfway back up the hatch again. Tears of rage are shed; a lawsuit is threatened. Exit the dude, livid.

    Three years later, the same guy walks into the same bar and asks the same bartender for a beer.

    You're waiting for the punch line. It's not a joke, I'm afraid. It's a parable. The guy is you, the bar is the neighborhood multiplex, and the third steaming glass of piss you're about to be served with a smile is called Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. For God's sake, don't drink it.
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    Courtesy of Esquire.

    1. Re:Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1999 called. They want the proving-how-hip-and-in-the-know-you-are-by-bashing -Star-Wars attitude back.

    2. Re:Star Wars by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      The punchline is a cut-n-paste troll actually got modded funny.

      Mycroft

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  55. Re:Flatland: now in 3D! by ScuxxletButt · · Score: 1

    Ooh! 3D! Now I can have my childhood joy obliterated all over again by poor direction, flat characters, acting and dialogue.

    You can only lose you innocence once. It's done.. over... move on. Please.

    Geez. Next thing you know people will be complaining about Van Halen not having David Lee Roth anymore.

    Flux is what keeps the universe going...

  56. 3D? How? by Paraplex · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know what tech/process they are using to get stereoscopic info from monoscopic footage?

    Is this an automated frame interpolation type process, a thousand hours work with "liquify" or did lucas shoot the whole thing in stereo?

    (how was spykids 3D shot btw? I imagine it gets cumbersome shooting with 2 large cameras gaffataped together :)

    --
    Rich Gentlemen Hide - The Existential Comic
    1. Re:3D? How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the movies have been digitized. They probably just create 3d models of everything and map the movie frames to those. Once that is done they can render movies from any angle. A new angle on the same old shit. After watching the last movie the Jedi seem really weak. They were wiped out by clones shooting them in the back. How lame is that?

    2. Re:3D? How? by JLF65 · · Score: 1

      Jedi aren't superhuman (or superwookie or supertwi'lek or whatever). All they can do is influence the force around them. Even Darth Vader needed the armored gauntlet on his artificial arm to deflect blaster bolts. Sorry, but shooting a Jedi a couple dozen times at point-blank range is plenty sufficient to kill them.

  57. Slash fiction has the answer by dangitman · · Score: 1
    Isn't the main unknown in that gap between III and IV how Han met Chewie?

    In the Hairy Scary Bear Bar, a well known meatmarket on Tattooine, Solo's eyes met the Wookiee's over the crowded room. "Say, how about a hug, big guy?" asks Solo, as Chewbacca coquettishly flips his curly locks over his shoulder. In a smokily seductive and sensual voice, the Wookiee replied "WaaaaaUUUUUUnnnnnnnGGGGGGaaaaa!" and Solo's heart pounded with joy like it hadn't since his first illegal cargo run.

    --
    ... and then they built the supercollider.
  58. Like Paul McCartney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be like Paul McCartney going back and re-doing the White Album with frogs.

    Something hideous happens to some of us when we get older, (other than the wrinkles and the gas and the not being able to lick your own [edit])

    1. Re:Like Paul McCartney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This would be like Paul McCartney going back and re-doing the White Album with frogs.

      You mean kind of like this?

  59. On the other hand... by Ranger+Rick · · Score: 1

    ...we could get lucky. :)

    --

    WWJD? JWRTFM!!!

  60. Re:Flatland: now in 3D! by zerokey93 · · Score: 1
    Ya know, if SW1-3 had actually obliterated my childhood joy, then the meds just aren't working :) It's fun to rant about it.

    Geez. Next thing you know people will be complaining about Van Halen not having David Lee Roth anymore.

    Whoa. Just. Don't. Go. There.

    As for flux, I am in total agreement. But sometimes, outrageous whining about the bitterness of change makes the entirety taste a little sweeter. :)

  61. Hypothetical conversation... by chriswaclawik · · Score: 2, Funny

    You: Hey, I just saw "The Phantom Menace" in glorious 3D!
    Me: Really? Did it still suck?

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    A guy walks into a bar... well, I forgot the joke, but the punchline is that he's an alcoholic.
  62. Sigh... by mtfbwy · · Score: 1

    More Star Wars bashing by the clueless.

  63. Re:Flatland: now in 3D! by ScuxxletButt · · Score: 1

    But sometimes, outrageous whining about the bitterness of change makes the entirety taste a little sweeter. I know what you mean. The original ending of Jedi had Lea and Duckie getting together, but Lucas changed it to Luke confronting his father after a negative reaction from a test audience.

  64. Good 3-D photo tutorial here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...there's a good 3-D photo tutorial here for those of you who want to know how the 3D films will work.

  65. Boba Fett? Where? by bi_boy · · Score: 1

    I hope they explain why Boba Fett is pissed at Han Solo or vise-versa (the pre-Jaba bounty reasons at least that I keep hearing exist but don't know a reason.)

    --
    Chicken fried butter sticks? Do ... do you use a fork? - Black Mage, 8-Bit Theater
  66. Top 10 Weekly Star Wars Episode Titles... by LEX+LETHAL · · Score: 1

    10. Aunt Beru's Bra Strap She-nanigans. 9. Luke And Wedge Get Caught Smokin Tusken Gold. 8. Han Owes Jabba Bigtime. 7. Chewbacca Sprouts His First Pubic Carpet. 6. Prom Night, Bantha Style. 5. Who Put Sand In Uncle Owen's Thong? 4. Womp Stew Again? 3. Maybe Next Year, Luke. 2. These ARE The Droids You're Looking For. And the number 1 Star Wars Eposide Title: 1. Cantina Jug Band Jam-bo-ree.

    1. Re:Top 10 Weekly Star Wars Episode Titles... by inkswamp · · Score: 1
      How about a more Friends-like approach?

      10. The One Where Luke Loses his Virginity

      9. The One Where Biggs Totally Freaks

      8. The One With the Droids

      7. The One Where Aunt Beru Gets Drunk

      6. The One With the Rabid Bantha

      5. The One Where Luke Goes to Toshe's Station

      4. The One With the Gay Jawa

      3. The One Where Luke Asks about his Father

      2. The One About the Moisture Evaporators

      1. The One With the Blue Milk

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      --Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
  67. the downward spiral by Animats · · Score: 1
    • Star Wars VHS Letterbox Edition
    • Star Wars DVD with Extra CGI Scenes Edition
    • Star Wars 3D Film with Polarized Glasses Edition.
    • Star Wars HDTV Edition.
    • Star Wars Enhanced Resolution 72FPS 1080p HDTV Edition.
    • Star Wars 3D HDTV with Shutter Glasses Edition.
    • Star Wars IMAX Edition
    • Star Wars Cell Phone Screen Edition.
    1. Re:the downward spiral by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      Hey, you forgot the PSP UMD versions!

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      Not All Who Wander Are Lost
  68. Spoiler Tags Please! by DRO0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on put some Spoiler tags in your messages people! Not all of us have seen the original Star Wars trilogy yet!

  69. The Good Prequel (book) by polyparadigm · · Score: 1

    The gospels seem to have done a pretty good job of filling in the backstory for the epistles, and with better pacing. Luke/Acts is especially good at this, with all the tie-ins and a nice sense of tension between volumes 1 and 2. They *were* taking the franchise into the mass market, which meant more special effects and a less intellectual tone, and they were a little sloppy with continuity in a few places ('If you're not against us you're for us', and then later 'whoever isn't with us is against us'? Oops.) but you can't argue with that kind of a sales record. #1 for how many weeks straight? I lost count.

  70. Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by ArghBlarg · · Score: 1

    I wonder why no one's yet mentioned that, even if Luke had totally failed at the end, the Emperor frying him to a nice cinder, grinning all the while as he was while doing it, *all three were about to be incinerated anyways*, as the Rebels had already successfully lowered the shield generator and were about to blow up the whole damn station?

    Whether Luke lived or died, he'd already distracted and delayed long enough to ensure that Vader and Palpatine would remain on the station while it exploded. I don't remember Vader or Palpatine showing any signs that they knew the station had been compromised! They would have both gone up in a puff no matter what.

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    ERROR 144 - REBOOT ?
    1. Re:Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by ArghBlarg · · Score: 1

      ... and while I know it's bad form to reply to my own message, in light of my above post I hereby nominate that Ewok who got killed while tripping a big Imperial walker to be the CHOSEN ONE. Sheesh.

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      ERROR 144 - REBOOT ?
    2. Re:Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      , *all three were about to be incinerated anyways*, as the Rebels had already successfully lowered the shield generator and were about to blow up the whole damn station?

      If Vader + Palpa hadn't been so distracted with Luke, they could've immediately remote-strangled any pilot thinking of shooting the precious Death Star. Jedi are unkillable except by other Jedi.

    3. Re:Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by shokk · · Score: 1

      Right, like all those Jedi that were killed by clone troopers obeying Order 66. Right? Right?

      --
      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
    4. Re:Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by opqdonut · · Score: 1

      Oh.... geee... I guess that means Palpatine would never have risen to power as he used the friggin' clone troopers to kill the jedi! Ha!

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      yes > /dev/dsp
    5. Re:Vader and Palpatine were DOOMED regardless by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Right, like all those Jedi that were killed by clone troopers obeying Order 66. Right? Right?

      No, wrong. I'm talking about ROTJ, not some other movie 20 years later.

      But, even if you accept those prequels, the clones were just tools of Palpatine, who was a Jedi. If they hadn't been working for him and under his magic protection, they wouldn't have been able to surprise their victims like that. There is no other explanation for why supposely super-observant warriors could be taken flat-footed like that.

  71. It's a Movie, People! by core+plexus · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    This reminds me of the William Shatner appearance on, I think SNL, or even the Tim Allen parody of Star Trek (Galaxy Quest). People, It's a Movie! Star Wars is NOT REAL. Actually, it has become a huge marketing tie-in to Burger King, Pepsi, and everyone else who has the money to get in on the bandwagon. But it is still just a movie! All the astroturfing is just piles on the piles. You comment as if it is something real. "Lack of faith?" It's not a religion. "Supension of Disbelief" is the term you were looking for.

    On another note, who modded this post as 'insightful'?

    -cp-

    1. Re:It's a Movie, People! by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 1

      On another note, who modded this post as 'insightful'?

      Probably mods that at least understood that "Lack of faith" is a very famous Darth Vader quote from the films.

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      There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion. -- Francis Bacon
    2. Re:It's a Movie, People! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should know better than to post anything against the idiots that believe in Star Wars. They will mod you troll, or flamebait, or other negative mods in a second. Lucass fanbois, one and all.

  72. Troll/Flaimbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nice try, but restrict your comments to someone who doesn't have the wherewithal to kick you ass.

    This should be modded as either troll, or flaimbait. With pocket protector/ain't gonna get no sex modifier.

    Sheesh. Propose to Lucas, already.

  73. The Young Luke Skywalker Chronicles by patternjuggler · · Score: 1

    Hasn't George Lucas tried and failed at this already?

  74. ...or just the end of the End of Beginning... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    This allows people to *gasp* criticize movies. Just like it allows you to play the shameless apologist for lukewarm (pun intended) cinema.

    Yeah, but was this really a critique? Was it constructive or insightful? Did it add anything to the discussion? I know, I know, slashdot discussions are about the intellectual equivalent of trying to discus Proust during a Motley Crue concert.

    I for one, am getting tired of how it is now 'cool' to bash SW. Sure, it isn't a deep, soul searching drama. If you could't figure that after seeing ANH the first time, you are dumb as a rock. Did the people bitch about who bad Episodes 1-3 are somehow missed the scenes of midget teddy bears slaughtering stormtroopers? How many lines in ANH were actually just screams and yelling?

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  75. Beginning of the End of the beginning by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Luke is the one who rebalanced the force, not Anakin.

    ...or perhaps Anakin did bring balance to the force. after episode 3 there were about the same number of sith as jedi...

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    HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
  76. Stoies behind the caracters. by 4nd3r5 · · Score: 1

    Leia: cool warrior princess, can fire a gun has traveld the galaxy. I can see this happening on the screen.

    Han Solo: Smugler, with the fastest ship in the galaxy. Some what strange that a giuy who designed the death start cant design an ship thats faster than Han Solos, but ill buy it.

    Chewie: The great warrior that rips peoples arms of and screaming. The dialog is going to suck, but hey its Lucas, were used to it.

    Luke: A farm buy whos greates acheivment is fixing droids and picking up power convertes in a near by city, and playing with his friend. Mostly shooting creatures in the desert. Not all that interesting, i just cant see how he is going to make this carater work in the tv screen week after week.

    IANASWF, so some facts might be wrong, but i have seen all the movies.

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    spelling is for people who doens't know better...
  77. The many dimensions of Leia by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Nope. Leia always was, and always will be, one-dimensional.

  78. Luke's speeder event, Han Solo, and Wookies by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Luke did mention that some flying through the deathstar's "canyons" would be just like some trick he did back home, if I recall correctly. Doesn't sound too appealing to me, but if they manage to pull off what Smallville did (INCLUDING the morality issues etc., that makes it interesting for me, and would be required for a Star Wars world to maintain the point) than I'd be happy with it. On another note, the talk of how characters get together has some potential too... Han Solo and Chewbacca might be part of that, for a start.

  79. OMG no no no MY EYES MY EYES by kahei · · Score: 2, Insightful


    A tv show depicting the life of young Luke, eh? How nice. I'm betting the content will be as follows:

    --Luke faces many challenges and trials, but overcomes them with the support of his friends and family.
    --Luke has a band of about 4 multiracial, telegenic friends each with their own particular mannerism and area of expertise.
    --Comic relief is provided by a small robot or alien critter. Ha ha!m
    --Sometimes Luke feels lonely or insecure but by the end of the episode he has recovered his self worth, thanks to teamwork, sharing, and staying true to himself.
    --Serious themes (social injustice, the pain of being dumped) are sometimes raised, but at the end of each half-hour, a few wise words from Luke's aunt and uncle set it all to rights.

    This is an absolute must-see! There's never been TV like this before! What a splendid use of the SW franchise!

    WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING??
    Haven't they heard about diluting a brand?

    (pause)

    NO, REALLY, WHAT THE FUCK??

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    Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
  80. Re:one of the most successful bad writers in histo by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

    Actually I'd dissagree with mr cranky there.

    It's gotta be one of several lines.
    "I've got a bad feeling aobut this"--virtually every character at some point
    "Impressive, most impressive"--Vader after Luke super-jumps away from being frozen.
    "I find you're lack of faith most distrubing"--Vader early in epIV
    "The more you tighten your grasp the more systems will slip through your fingers"--Lea in epIV just before Alderan is blasted.
    "Help me obi-wan, You're my only hope"--Lea's holomessage in epIV
    and the top two contenders imho are:
    "Luke, I am your father"--Vader to Luke at the climax of epV
    "Use the force Luke" -- Obi-Wan's ghost to luke just before he takes out the Death Star in ep:IV

    Mycroft

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  81. Worst. Idea. Ever. by JayBlalock · · Score: 1
    I'm just flabergasted. I mean, I knew Lucas had turned into a complete whore, but WTF? How would one even build a TV show out of that? The *only* subplot of any interest whatsofuckingever would be finding out how Han & Chewie meet. (although rumor has it Lucas's version is completely different, and considerably more dumb, than the version most fans have accepted over the years) And even then, it was LUCAS who introduced that discontinuity between the two series. If he hadn't gotten cute and put Chewie in Ep 3, it wouldn't even be an issue.

    I suppose, on the other hand, this might explain why he cast Wayne Pygram as Tarkin's chin for the whole 10 seconds he was onscreen. (Yes, Farscape geeks, if you hadn't noticed - that was Scorpius "playing" Tarkin)

    But really, showing Luke's childhood? Completely, utterly unnecessary. Showing Leia's is nearly as bad. (ooh, she's a tomboy princess rebelling against her horrible rich parents...) And in the meantime, there's no political subtext either - just the Empire slowly growing in power and crushing system after system. THAT will be an audience-grabber, I tell you.

    The real pisser is that there ARE valid things he could do with a SW TV series. Get the hell away from the main characters. Follow, say, a privateer based out of Coruscant. Or an imperial recruit who ends up going over to the Rebellion. Or, even better, jump BACK in time a few hundred years and show the Old Republic at its height. Before the Jedi became assholes and before the Senate was corrupted. Show us why we should care about its fall in Eps 1 - 3.

    But no, Lucas has to follow the quick and easy path. Episode 2 didn't even sink the franchise, and I do think Ep 3 was actually pretty good - but this sounds like it may finally break that damn camel in half.

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    Bush: He's Liberal in all the wrong ways.
  82. 3D? by bitbucketeer · · Score: 1

    Won't work unless episodes I and II are to be redone in sepia tone.

  83. Sceptical... by Jott42 · · Score: 1

    My snake-oil detecters did light up at the following sentence from in-three's webpage: "Dimensionalized(TM) 3D content looks extremely realistic, typically better than if it had been originally photographed in 3D." Artificial things that are claimed to be better than the real thing often are not anywhere near that. And also the repeated statement that "there is no eye fatigue, none whatsoever". It contradicts my understanding of the medical background for the eye fatigue, which is due to that stereoscopic pictures only accounts for one of (at least) half a dozen of optical phenomena and vision processes that accounts for depth perception. (I think it is very interesting that in-three's website does not have a single picture showing any demo of their technology.)

    1. Re:Sceptical... by danila · · Score: 1

      Lucas saw it. He saw clips from Star Wars IV converted to 3D and was happy about the results. I think you are overly sceptical. If people can make stereo 3D from NO footage (just do a CGI scene), certainly doing 3D based on the existing live video should be possible.

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      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
  84. Modded as 'flamebait', but no flames? Abuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like someone with mod points wants to punish the poster, and this is clearly a case of mod point abuse.

  85. You need humor school by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    Take a joke dude. It was meant to draw a giggle. You are taking yourself far far too seriously here. You are obviously close to that abhorent fanatic edge. Chill out!