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Mini-Microsoft Shakes Things Up

Henry V .009 writes "BusinessWeek calls him Microsoft's Deep Throat. Although Steve Ballmer denies reading the blog, there are plenty at Microsoft who do. Mini-Microsoft says he wants to "slim down Microsoft into a lean, mean, efficient customer pleasing profit making machine." The user comment section of the site is the real gold: thousands of comments from Microsoft employees who tend to have a dim view about the company's recent evolution. And Microsoft may even be responding to all the internal criticism."

374 comments

  1. Innuendo by No+Salvation · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft ... Deep Throat ... customer pleasing
    Is this what it has to "come" to for Microsoft?

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    1. Re:Innuendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like Microsoft is willing, but will customers "rise" to the occasion?

    2. Re:Innuendo by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then it makes sense that most of their products suck, right?

    3. Re:Innuendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The Deep Throat reference brings to mind the parallels with our government and scandal in the highest office.

      We have a great culture that promotes criticism. I think that does fantastic things. We're always looking for everything everyone says to make sure that I'm doing what I need to do, and our leaders are doing what they need to do

      This quote reminded me of our political system and how free speech functions as a check and balance on how well a job our "leaders" are doing representing us. I considered going to the library to read more on Watergate but then I though better of it. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia!

    4. Re:Innuendo by sd_diamond · · Score: 1

      Maybe if they'd stop bragging about the depth of their market penetration and focus more on the quality of their work, they'd be able to truly satisfy their customers.

    5. Re:Innuendo by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone smarter than me has said it already:
      The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners.

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    6. Re:Innuendo by F_Scentura · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Their hardware division has always made quality products, actually.

    7. Re:Innuendo by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact it's all HUGE!
      Microsoft keyboards? HUGE
      Microsoft mice? HUGE
      Microsoft XBox? rivals a dyson sphere!

      It's all stuff for people with huge hands.

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    8. Re:Innuendo by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 1

      They've learned when to swallow their pride, and spit in the face of bad press.

    9. Re:Innuendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up; yes, even you unconditional MS trolls, MS makes pretty good hardware solutions.

    10. Re:Innuendo by rmc · · Score: 1
      Ooooh. Somebody thinks I'm smart. That's a first.

      Oh, and to be a Right Honorable Elitist Bastard Smartypants, it's a misquote. The original said: "... is probably the day..."
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    11. Re:Innuendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make vacuums? Na, they'll just hire your mom.

    12. Re:Innuendo by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it's bad, I only said it's HUGE, and it usually is!
      And probably work well for people with large hands.

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  2. insane by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow. This guy is nuts. I'm stunned that anyone could have such a love/hate relationship from the inside of a monster corporation to go to these lengths to fix it.

    His employment agreement surely makes him liable for incalculable damages, not to mention inciting other employees to violate their contracts (which is punishable for contracts in general).

    Maybe they won't know who it is until they find this guy still bailing out the hull after the last rat has left the sinking ship. I think they'll find him sooner, especially now that he's talking to the press.

    1. Re:insane by whiteranger99x · · Score: 1, Informative

      I wouldn't be at all surprised. If i recall correct, didn't a MS employee get fired because he posted photos of them receiving Macs on his blog?

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    2. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm stunned that anyone could have such a love/hate relationship from the inside of a monster corporation to go to these lengths to fix it.

      You've probably never worked in an environment where you know something could be great but everyday you see incompetence and pride as the norm. This drives some of us to the breaking point. Either we give up or we fight for greater things.

      The sad thing is this is in every organisation that is sub-par. There are guys and girls who fall by the wayside everyday because fighting a bureaucracy is a form of attrition-style warfare. You have to keep on battering it and battering it and usually the organisation wins and the dissenters go home with their professional careers and private lives in ruin.

      I hope this guy stay anonymous. No good can come from him publicly outing himself, no matter how great his ideas. This is the nature of power.

    3. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No they fired him for posting campus photos which is explicitly against MS policy. The Macs were just a side note.

    4. Re:insane by whiteranger99x · · Score: 1

      Ah gotcha thanks.

      I had a feeling it had more to do with him breaching some confidentiality agreement, which I failed to emphasize, but I was feeling a little lazy :P

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    5. Re:insane by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yes, he and others like him need to stay anonymous, or they are toast, but it shouldn't be that way. It is high time laws were passed to protect such bloggers' free speech rights no matter what the legal mumbo jumbo they had to sign off on to have a job says. No employment contract should be able to take away free speech.

      The workings of any publicly traded company ought to be public knowledge. We should have the right to know about companies, and not just their PR spin, before investing or when contemplating whether to sell stock. It is not good for the economy to let publicly traded firms operate in secrecy, and snooker investors

      Even if a company is not publicly traded, prospective customers deserve to know what is going on.

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    6. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, he and others like him need to stay anonymous, or they are toast, but it shouldn't be that way. It is high time laws were passed to protect such bloggers' free speech rights no matter what the legal mumbo jumbo they had to sign off on to have a job says. No employment contract should be able to take away free speech.

      The workings of any publicly traded company ought to be public knowledge. We should have the right to know about companies, and not just their PR spin, before investing or when contemplating whether to sell stock. It is not good for the economy to let publicly traded firms operate in secrecy, and snooker investors

      Even if a company is not publicly traded, prospective customers deserve to know what is going on.


      Are you trolling? First, if you don't want to sign an employment contract, uh....don't sign it. People want the government to protect them from having to do hard work like reading legal documents before signing them. I mean, sure, it'd be messed up for a company to put 'must work 12 hour days 5 days a week or be fired' into a contract, and you're stupid enough to sign it, you should either work those 12s or get fired. Bollocks to 'free speech rights'. That applies to the federal government, not to private employers. If you sign a confidentiality agreement, you...agree...to...keep...things...confidential. No right to free speech is being restricted by the government here. If you don't like the agreement's terms...don't sign it. It's really not that difficult. What's next? No employment contract should take away someone's right to carry a gun to work? Seriously, people. The Bill of Rights limits what the FedGov can do, not what you can voluntarily agree to.

    7. Re:insane by aeoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's insane is that making a criticism of the company is perceived these days as "a liability for incalculable damages".

      That's insane.

      Why is it that the damages to the company are important anyway? A company is a fictitious entity. Damages to people matter more than damges to companies, and in this case employees are important people, and they are the ones being damaged and not the other way around.

    8. Re:insane by sdedeo · · Score: 1

      Well OK --

      If we're talking about highly-educated upper-middle class programmers, then fine. But contracts have their limits. I think most people (maybe not you) agree that it should be illegal to enter into a contract where you get paid less than minimum wage.

      The employer-employee dynamic is never (well, almost never) one of two equal parties. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

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    9. Re:insane by dado529 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      he sad thing is this is in every organisation that is sub-par. There are guys and girls who fall by the wayside everyday because fighting a bureaucracy is a form of attrition-style warfare. Can anyone agree more than me, this is why I no longer work for the tech industry. I now work on all these rich guys boat and take thier money.

    10. Re:insane by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      Freedom of contract is a pretty important concept in our legal system. First, you don't have any free speech rights as far as your employer is concerned. There are statutes that protect whistleblowers, but this is way beyond that. Second, this guy didn't have anything "taken away" from him, he negotiated it away, and if he didn't get something he valued more in return, he shouldn't have agreed.

      If you don't think you have enough information about the company to have faith in the stock, don't buy it.

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    11. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You've probably never worked in an environment where you know something could be great but everyday you see incompetence and pride as the norm.

      I didn't know anyone else form here posted on Slashdot...

    12. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Kind of like those computer use policies that companies have. The only ones that seems to get fired for using the email system for occasional personal email are the ones that send out questionable stuff about their employer.
      My company was on a witch hunt for someone internally recently. We had an internal email that was forwarded to a blog that pertains to our line of work. There was absolutely no company related content and the original sender address was masked (but our compnay name was visible) but it was kind of embarrassing or funny in the way it was worded, it was related to what was and was not appropriate dress in the workplace. They never actually tracked down the forwarding culpruit but I had to go through months worth of server logs and backup tapes looking for who forwarded on that email. I found nothing from our office email servers and neither did any of the others so we assumed it was cut and pasted into a web mail account and sent from there. IMHO, the whole thing was a complete waste of time considering the time and effort that went into trying to track it down.

      I am getting OT here but we've also started using Websense in our offices. What struck me as odd is the various secretarial managers reasons for wanting the statistics. Not bandwidth, not questionable sites, they want to go through the logs and determine who is browsing the internet the most and take action with them. I may be old school but shouldn't a manager already know or have a good idea of what employees are slackers and which ones are poor performers? If there own bosses have no problems with the work their own secretaries provide to them or if he does have problems with them, can't they deal with the secretarial mangers with specific issues? It seems like they want a tool to provide an answer for a different managing problem they have. Kind of like comparing the person that always gets to work on time but does not do shit is less noticed and bothered then the occasional 5 minute late comer that busts their ass and puts out top quality work all day.

    13. Re:insane by seanadams.com · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      What's insane is that making a criticism of the company is perceived these days as "a liability for incalculable damages".

      That's insane.


      First of all F U for mis-quoting me and even using the misquote in the context of something else I didn't say. If I knew specifically all the things in his employment contract that he was violating, I'd have listed them, but merely criticizing his employer was not my point.

      This guy is writing about confidential internal processes and problems, and soliciting others to do so on a collossal scale - he's insane (and a hero) BECAUSE of what's presumably going to happen if they catch him.

      Anyway what is the problem - you don't like the idea of a contract in general?

    14. Re:insane by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Informative
      Nice try but WRONG! BZZZZ!

      Network associates, the makers of McAfee Viruscan, put a line in their EULA that essentially said you couldn't publish a review of the software without their permission. It didn't hold up in court because it violated the first amendment. Network Associates are not the government, and could not force anyone to give up their first amendment rights through contract. That provision was unenforceable, and many things in contracts are unenforceable. A lot of the crap in employment agreements is legalese nonsense that it would take a team of lawyers to interpret, and then they wouldn't all agree what it means. No one can give informed consent to something they do not understand. All they really understand is that if you don't sign, you don't have a job so enjoy living under a bridge when you lose your house! That is not far from holding a gun to your head, and saying, "sign this". An agreement under duress is no agreement at all.

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    15. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... Well, there are all sorts of examples of invalid contracts even if the parties "agreed" to it. For example, you can't contract to commit a crime, there are various implied terms in (for example) a sales of goods contract etc.

      And for the point of not signing contracts that you don't like -- sometimes you just don't have the choice. It's hard enough for most to find a job, and if you're in debt and have to support a family, would you reject a job offer just because of one or two terms on the employment contract that you don't like? It's not like most people can negociate the standard terms on an employment contract in their favor without pissing off the HR dept or your manager.

    16. Re:insane by aeoo · · Score: 1

      Confidentiality can be used to cloak all sorts of things. I believe individuals should have some privacy, but proceedings in public companies should not be private.

      The confidentiality of some internal process is not as important to me as how each individual person is treated. If people are abused even a little bit, then to me that trumps enourmous amounts of confidentiality expectations.

      Pay attention -- if you treat people well, things naturally remain quiet. But treat people poorly, and then even a contract won't help to keep shit confidential. The moral of the story is -- just do not be an ass to people, it's not really profitable. I'm not saying "be good". Just saying "do not be an ass".

      Microsoft is an obnoxious company who has utter disregard for the wider community. These internal troubles simply reflect what's outside, as far as I can see. If the company treats clients like shit, why would it treat their own employees like gold?

    17. Re:insane by spagetti_code · · Score: 1

      They will find him.

      Eventually he will step over some line and annoy SteveB. At that point, MS will sue and subpoena logs from blogspot. IP address and personal details will quickly be revealed.

      Kinda makes you wish for true anonymity in blogging that a tool like freenet could provide (if it weren't such a dog slow pile of dung).

    18. Re:insane by aeoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People want the government to protect them from having to do hard work like reading legal documents before signing them.

      The fact that reading legal documents is hard work speaks volumes as to the amounts of ill faith inherent in them. If the contract is drawn up in good faith, there is simply no need to make it abstruse (hard to understand). A contract that does not seek to rip a person off in any way should be easy to understand even to someone with just 3 years of school.

      It is sad that we have an entire profession devoted to actually understanding correctly what the fsc*k the legal documents say. I say it's high time to say "f u" to the legal language and make it a requirement that all contracts be brief, to the point and in plain language. Maybe then people will take time to read them and sign them in good faith.

      As it stands, a person gets a 30 page packet and thinks, "Ah, this is some cr*p I have to sign if I want this job.. How bad can it be? They're not going to rip me off. I trust them and I want this job. I will sign it." It's obvious to me where the abuse is happening.

    19. Re:insane by Mateito · · Score: 5, Funny
      You've probably never worked in an environment where you know something could be great but everyday you see incompetence and pride as the norm.

      Maybe not, but he obviously spends time on slashdot.

    20. Re:insane by dmh20002 · · Score: 1

      damaging a company does damage people. employees get laid off. shareholders lose money. the companies vendors lose business which ripples thru again. the company is fictitious but the stakeholders aren't.

    21. Re:insane by steelfood · · Score: 1

      With M$'s brigade of lawyers, they'll have the reporter either in jail, or this guy fired before the new year. That was quite the mistake really. It probably would have been better if word of mouth carried this information out. Of course, this would make the legitimacy of the information suspect to controversy and debate, but it wouldn't compromise the anonymity of this person. Nor would it matter. M$ employees seem to think this guy is real, and if enough agree on this person's legitimacy, that's all that really matters in the end. But I'm just being pessimistic. We'll see the fallout (if any) from this soon enough.

      That having been said, putting the blog on Google was a brilliant idea. Google might not like the results of this guy's message, but they'll certainly like the bad publicity this gives M$, and I'll bet they'll be willing to go to certain lengths to defend this guy. That having been said, I wonder what measures these people (the person writing the entries and the people commenting) take to secure their anonymity. Anonymous proxy? TOR? In-house TOR-like network (there's a lot of software people after all)? Nothing? After all, other than the individuals' computers (I assume everyone's smart enough to thoroughly secure their computers), the potential point of failure in terms of anonymity for anyone associating themselves with the blog would be Google, who whould have logs of their IP's.

      As for that statement about the love/hate relationship, these are the people who are the most passionate about what they do. They really are what companies need the most. Organization is good, but a bunch of people fired-up to do their job ensures that things actually gets done and done right. After all, the energy from these people rubs off onto others, thus energizing everyone around them. Middle/upper management and executives might not like them though, as these are the people who also tend to be the most vocal about the things that are going wrong. In the case of M$, it seems things are definitely going wrong.

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    22. Re:insane by Shoggoth+of+Maul · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, his anonymity is a great part of his power. So long as they can't pin him (or her) down, Microsoft may actually have to move its ass.

      As a man, he can be fired, he can be sued for breach of contract. But as a symbol, he can be everlasting.

      *cue viscerally resonant cinematic soundtrack*

      I smell a montage coming on.

    23. Re:insane by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      dude! ever heard of an NDA? it stands for Non Disclosure Agreement, and the government cant kill it.

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    24. Re:insane by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      This is a good idea. Why not set up a publicly accessible blogging site such that publishing can only be done through anonymous means? It's not like uploading text to a blog has to be fast. And it can be made accessible to all via http. Hmmm... maybe I'll start working on this.

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    25. Re:insane by syousef · · Score: 1

      You're both nuts.

      One of you wants free speech even if that violates company secrets etc. and the other wants you to be able to sign your life away as punishment for not thoroughly reading a contract.

      As screwed up as the current laws are, they're more moderate than either of you are suggesting. How about a little common sense in this huh? Oh wait this is /.

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    26. Re:insane by nicktripp · · Score: 1

      What's insane is that making a criticism of the company is perceived these days as "a liability for incalculable damages".

      That's insane.


      No, that's redundant.

    27. Re:insane by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I say it's high time to say "f u" to the legal language and make it a requirement that all contracts be brief, to the point and in plain language

      The problem with plain language is that it's vague - that's why contracts are long-winded. I could see requiring a definition of all terms that are used in a way that differs substantially from normal parlance. Outside of weird usage, most contracts are just boring.

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    28. Re:insane by Graymalkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      You need to go back and do some fact checking. The Network Associates case was ruled such because the wording of their EULA was deceptive. Their case suggested that Network World Fusion broke the law by violating a clause of the EULA. Under scrutiny the clause proved to be untenable legally and the judge told NA to get lost. That however has nothing in the slightest to do with non-disclosure agreements.

      Signing an NDA is binding. If you go and post confidential information to your blog or someone else's blog and the NDA you signed specifically prohibits that, your employer not only has grounds to fire you but also sue you. If your signature is on a document that says "I won't talk about x, y, and z" and then a blog posting or e-mail is presented showing you talked about x, y, or z the judge is likely to rule in your employers favor. If your NDA says you will cut off your right ear if you talk about x, y, or z that clause of the NDA will likely be found unenforceable and you'll be able to keep your ear.

      This differs entirely from situations where talking about x, y, or z benefits the public interest. If product X was made out of dolphin skin by child slaves in San Diego there's a public interest in that information. If you were sued by your employer over releasing that information it probably wouldn't be difficult to show that your whistleblowing served the public interest. Whistleblowing is protected when there is a viable public interest in the disclosed information. Clauses in an NDA or any other contract which require you to break the law (manage slave lavorers in San Diego) are unenforceable. Your employment contract can't require you to be a heroin mule for instance.

      What you don't seem to understand is the first amendment only applies to government. It does not extend to private organizations or property. The government can't tell you that you can't post specs on as yet unreleased product Y but a contract can. You don't have a right to any particular job, if an employment contract is required to work there and you're unwilling to sign it you're not going to have that job.

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    29. Re:insane by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

      A lot of the crap in employment agreements is legalese nonsense that it would take a team of lawyers to interpret

      More importantly, it probably doesn't matter anyway. For the most part, your boss/company can fire you, for just about any reason, so long as it's not because of your race, gender, religion, etc. "You're not a team player." "You're not an asset to the company." "Other employees don't like your attitude." Simple as that.

      Network Associates are not the government, and could not force anyone to give up their first amendment rights through contract.

      The question is, does firing employees who publicly criticize their employer count as an impingement of free speech? The NA agreement basically said that you could never, ever publish anything about NA's software without permission. There was no way out of that licensing agreement.

      Now, IANAL, but I can see two perfectly legal ways that an employer could retaliate against an employee. First, fire them. (See above.) Second, sue for libel/slander, assuming that the employee's statements were provably false and damaging. Neither of these relies upon any fancy legal wording.

    30. Re:insane by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      He just doesn't realise that microsoft has to be the way it is to generate those profit margins. Corporations have do it time and time again. You sell off customer trust to maximise profit and then try to hide the fact with an endless series of marketing lies and of course bail before it all collapses.

      That is the nature of modern corporate business. Naturally management feels none of the pain, infact they are well rewarded for it (they are in a position to make sure that happens). Regular staff of course lose everything but they are not on their own as people outside the company see theiar pension funds get wiped out as well.

      So the press is now paying attention to a blogger who claims to be from microsoft because they no longer believe anything coming from official channels (the buy our stock even though we are selling it line). The vista is grim indeed, well at least for anything microsoft. For the rest of us, it is going to be a breath of fresh air and a beautifull penguin friendly view going forward.

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    31. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With M$'s brigade of lawyers, they'll have the reporter either in jail

      Wouldn't this fall under civil law, thereby making jailtime impossible? Or is that intentional hyperbole on your part?

    32. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All they really understand is that if you don't sign, you don't have a job so enjoy living under a bridge when you lose your house!

      Okay, well this proves it: you're an idiot. All future posts shall be scored "-5 Retarded"

    33. Re:insane by laughingcoyote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For many people, loss of a job (the penalty a corporation can inflict) can be as serious and life-altering as being sentenced to jail (the penalty the government can inflict). Free speech rights are meaningless unless you protect them.

      On a related note, if a corporation expects you to obey its rules 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it owes you compensation for one hundred and sixty-eight hours, per week, plus overtime of course. Otherwise, when you punch the clock, you're done. Why should your employer have control over what you blog in your off time?

      People want the government to protect them from having to do hard work like reading legal documents before signing them.

      Actually, I think what is at issue here, is that the contract at issue really isn't a choice. It's very disingenuous for you to say "uh...don't sign it..." if you don't agree with it-if you're independently wealthy enough that you don't care whether or not you lose your job, I am glad for you, but not all of us are so fortunate. Protection is requested, then, for free speech, which is clearly enshrined in the Constitution as a fundamental right. Corporate profits are not. When the two are at odds, then, the Constitution makes it very clear which must give way. Employees should have the same right to seek redress against bad acts on the part of their employer just as citizens should have the right to seek that with the government-and Constitutional rights should absolutely, never, ever, be regarded as something which may be "signed away".

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    34. Re:insane by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      So you are proposing we do away with trade-secrets laws? So anytime a competitor asks one of my employees for a detailed analysis of everything my business is doing he can give it to them, and I will have no recourse even against the employee even if he agreed to work for me with the terms that he couldn't do such a thing? I disagree in general with being able to have recourse with the competitor, but that is not what you are saying here. What you are saying here is... insane.
       
      Free speech isn't something that you can't voluntarily give up. If I want to kick out patrons in a restaurant because they are cussing, I can; indeed to say that I can't is tantamount to taking away my freespeech rights.
       
      "No employment contract should be able to take away free speech."
      Wow, that is an overbroad statement if I have ever seen one. If I am a newspaper and I find out someone has been blatantly letting his personal bias into articles unchecked I can't fire him for that reason?

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    35. Re:insane by slipster216 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except that by law a corperation has the equivelent rights to a person. A long time ago corperate lawyers argued that corperations should have the same rights as people, because at the time they acted as entities for the needs of the people. And suddenly, an amendment passed to protect the rights of african americans was hijacked into giving corperations an overwhelming amount of power. In the years since that amendment was passed, the system has simply run out of control.

    36. Re:insane by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      "He just doesn't realise that microsoft has to be the way it is to generate those profit margins."

      Microsoft's profit margins are falling steadily.

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    37. Re:insane by Tough+Love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "He just doesn't realise that microsoft has to be the way it is to generate those profit margins."

      Microsoft's profit margins are falling steadily.

      Ah, sorry,that doesn't really answer your comment. Indeed, it was Microsoft's unabashed greed and disrespect for the law that kept its profit levels as high as they have been. And probably the only way to keep them there would be even more of the same. Except it can't. The cost of flagrantly flouting the law has increased steadily, and the effects of greed have largely turned inward, to Microsoft's detriment.

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    38. Re:insane by Korgan · · Score: 1, Informative

      Confidentiality can be used to cloak all sorts of things. I believe individuals should have some privacy, but proceedings in public companies should not be private.

      The confidentiality of some internal process is not as important to me as how each individual person is treated. If people are abused even a little bit, then to me that trumps enourmous amounts of confidentiality expectations.

      Thats just wrong. Proceedings in public companies should be forced public. Thats like saying that someone living in a trailer isn't entitled to privacy because they don't own the land under it. The owner of the land is entitled to see everything that happens inside the trailer. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not watch trailer trash shower in public. That is kind of whats happening with Microsoft now.

      Personally, I don't care how people are treated inside a company. Everyone has the choice to work there or not. If they don't like the way they're being treated, they can just leave. Or they can do like the mini-microsoft blogger has done and speak out about it and try to draw attention to it.

      Pay attention -- if you treat people well, things naturally remain quiet. But treat people poorly, and then even a contract won't help to keep shit confidential. The moral of the story is -- just do not be an ass to people, it's not really profitable. I'm not saying "be good". Just saying "do not be an ass".

      Wrong. A contract is an agreement with legal bindings. It may not stop some people from spilling their guts, but it allows a company a way to retaliate if it needs to. Contracts signed by an individual with another individual or company trump many (not all) personal rights or liberties. You are effectively agreeing to a particular course of behaviour for the duration of the contract in return for something. In this case, employment. Freedom of speech doesn't mean a thing once you sign an NDA. That NDA trumps your freedom to discuss the covered topic with people outside the agreement.

      Microsoft is an obnoxious company who has utter disregard for the wider community. These internal troubles simply reflect what's outside, as far as I can see. If the company treats clients like shit, why would it treat their own employees like gold?

      As just as I agree that Microsoft is an obnoxious company with no regard for anyone outside its own buildings, I think you need to step back and reassess your comments in the context of any small company. Say a 100 employee ma'n'pa shop down the street. Why should they be afforded any more rights than a much bigger company?

      Microsoft is in a bad spot now. Everyone knows that. Balmer seems to be in denial, or just plain ignorant, but for the most plart everyone has seen it coming from a long way off. You're right. They have treated many of their customers pretty poorly. But it didn't take much to see that the company was top heavy.

      The mini-microsoft blog is the opinion of a few people that happen to work inside Microsoft. It doesn't represent the 60,000 or so world wide, but it does represent a fair number of the developers or those 'on the shop floor'. What I don't agree with is how public it has become. Using blogger may have been a good way to stop Microsoft management from closing it, or tracing the authors, but wouldn't something like this have been better inside the organisation as a way of generating internal discussion?

      Not to mention the irony of using Google to host the blog in the first place. ;-) I mean, sure text.net (a .net asp blog tool, not an address) would have been enough? :-)

    39. Re:insane by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      Nah, that's not Woody's (Michael Hanscom to those of you who don't know him) posting style... nor was he even an actual Microsoft employee.

    40. Re:insane by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      It is high time laws were passed to protect such bloggers' free speech rights

      Just as we a ll have freedom of speech, employers have freedom to hire and fire whomever they want.

      LK

      --
      "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
    41. Re:insane by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I think most people (maybe not you) agree that it should be illegal to enter into a contract where you get paid less than minimum wage.

      That made me laugh so hard, if I'd been drinking anything it would be all over my keyboard right now by way of my nose.

      You have obviously never held a low-level salaried position. It is very common for new employees, especially 'store manager' types of big corporations, to make what would be sub-minimum wage if they were paid hourly. And in some cases they even report hours, but are just paid a flat rate, because that's how they're contracted.

      Technically I suppose it's not being "paid less than minimum wage" because the minimum wage laws have an exemption for salaried workers, but in reality that's just a catch-22 for a lot of people that allows them to get into contracts where they earn far less than they would if they were being paid hourly at minimum (and got overtime).

      The way it usually works is that the corporation will simply refuse to give hourly workers any overtime, and cap their pay and hours at 40 a week. In order to get slightly better pay, employees jump on the salary bandwagon, but quickly find out that their 40-hour workweek might as well have been an afternoon paper route.

      I'd be willing to bet that minimum wage is one of the most commonly signed-away rights in the U.S. today. And other than religion, voting and things which are direct or indirect perpetuities, you can pretty much sign away any right you want in a contract (in particular, free speech).

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    42. Re:insane by Boawk · · Score: 0, Troll
      Bollocks to 'free speech rights'. That applies to the federal government, not to private employers. If you sign a confidentiality agreement, you...agree...to...keep...things...confidential. No right to free speech is being restricted by the government here.

      Nice try but WRONG! BZZZZ!

      Network associates, the makers of McAfee Viruscan, put a line in their EULA that essentially said you couldn't publish a review of the software without their permission. It didn't hold up in court because it violated the first amendment. Network Associates are not the government, and could not force anyone to give up their first amendment rights through contract.


      Grandparent is correct. Use a little common sense. If you hire me as a maid to clean your house, and you find out I'm telling others about how messy your house is, the crummy food in your refrigerator, etc., do you think your hands are tied because of the First Amendment, or do you think you can fire me and get a new maid?

      Your example cites an invalid end-user license, not an invalid employment agreement. You have a right to free speech as a citizen, not as an employee of a company. If you work for me and I perceive you are detrimental to my company through your comments regarding my company, I have every right to fire you. Even in cases when the employer is a government entity, the Supreme Court has held that the entity is not obligated to be held hostage by the disruptive comments of an employee (who tries to hide under the First Amendment umbrella).
    43. Re:insane by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      As much as I think it's borken in general. This might be a decent application of Tor.

      Must. Not. Make. Reed. Joke. :)

      --

      Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
    44. Re:insane by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      You mean like employees should be allowed to disclose, like, ehm, trade secrets? Or pseudo-divulge fake information from within the company? That would do wonders, right?

      There are already laws in place to protect employees who divulge real, verifiable information about a company who is conducting illegal business (think Enron). Those should probably be reinforced a bit to keep companies honest and on their toes, but there is no way corporate America will accept some general protection for employees who blabber about anything and everything.

      In this case however, mini-Microsoft is interesting to read, if only to dispell the myth that Microsoft is such a great employee (free food & drinks!) and fun place to work. In effect it sounds like any large organisation who doesn't really know what to do next. Even then, I'm sure he doesn't have a complete view of the organisation.

    45. Re:insane by tehlinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I say it's high time to say "f u" to the legal language and make it a requirement that all contracts be brief, to the point and in plain language

      The problem with plain language is that it's vague - that's why contracts are long-winded. I could see requiring a definition of all terms that are used in a way that differs substantially from normal parlance. Outside of weird usage, most contracts are just boring.


      I've always believed they should be required to provide a plain language version with the original contract, even if the plain language version isn't legaly binding.

      --
      Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
    46. Re:insane by jhoger · · Score: 1

      The government, in the form of the Judiciary in some cases will not enforce contracts which are contrary to public policy.

      For example, whistleblower laws: your contract may say that you cannot talk to the press or government about anything "confidential." But if you find that "Baby Stroller" is likely to cause deaths, and you report it to a state or federal agency, the courts may not allow you to be sued for breach depending on the law of the particular state.

      Same thing goes for employment contracts. In right to work states at least your ability to limit yourself in what you can commit to after termination of employment is limited.

      Indentured servitude was a bad thing, and in some states it's considered contrary to public policy. There's a natural power imbalance between Microsoft and employee X. Sometimes the gov't finds it necessary to balance things out, and that's a good thing.

      -- John.

    47. Re:insane by Eivind · · Score: 1

      I know that in Norway contracts have been, in a court of law, considered void because they where so long and so complicated that not only could it not be expected for the customer to go trough 17 pages of small-print legalese in order to buy a (I think) mobile-phone, but even if the customer where to do so, it would be in practice impossible for him to make sense of it without several years of law-studies behind him.

    48. Re:insane by splitbung · · Score: 1

      you're a barman?

    49. Re:insane by khallow · · Score: 1
      His employment agreement surely makes him liable for incalculable damages, not to mention inciting other employees to violate their contracts (which is punishable for contracts in general).

      I assure you, the damage can be "calculated" (in at least two senses of the word).

    50. Re:insane by DataCannibal · · Score: 3, Funny

      "But as a symbol, he can be everlasting."

      For fucks sake! He's just some guy who works at a corporation. He's not Spartacus or Ghandi or whatever.

      --
      No but, yeah but, no but...
    51. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it would, resulting in damage/fines far beyond reach of the person in question, resulting in jail time because of inability to pay the damage...

    52. Re:insane by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      If product X was made out of dolphin skin by child slaves in San Diego there's a public interest in that information.

      Not to mention product Y, made out of child skin by dolphin slaves. And I won't even get into the details of product Z.

      What you don't seem to understand is the first amendment only applies to government. It does not extend to private organizations or property. The government can't tell you that you can't post specs on as yet unreleased product Y but a contract can.

      Actually, the government can tell you not to discuss anything they want, especially the specs on as yet unreleased products, and they don't need a contract to do it. And the punishment for disclosing the government's secrets can make a civil suit look trivial.

      Not all speech is free of criminal prosecution either. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, inciting a riot, threatening someone's life, and all sorts of otherwise malicious speech is illegal as well. The most that can be said of free speech is that you're free to say whatever you want, just like I'm "free" to steal a car, but that doesn't mean you're not liable for the consequences of what you say.

    53. Re:insane by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Why is it that the damages to the company are important anyway? A company is a fictitious entity. Damages to people matter more than damges to companies, and in this case employees are important people, and they are the ones being damaged and not the other way around.

      Companies may be invented entities (which I don't think is the same as ficticious; I'm pretty sure MS really exists), but real people derive their livelyhood from these companies. While this public airing of dirty laundry, as it were, may be beneficial in the end, it may also shake investor confidence (again, maybe good, maybe bad), devaluing the stock and causing real people to lose money, possibly forcing the company to downsize or collapse entirely, which costs some other real people their jobs. That's why damages to a company are important; you're affecting the lives and livelyhood of more than just one person.

      It's possible, of course, that the existance and business practices of a company are harmful to the general public, and it's definately an ethical debate, but your hippyesque idealistic view that damages to a company's reputation are unimportant is not an accurate reflection of the real world.

    54. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vista is grim indeed, well at least for anything microsoft

      Haha, I get it.

    55. Re:insane by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In addition to what was mentioned, namely that natural language is vague, the problem is that anything that's not clear enough _will_ be abused or mis-construed by someone.

      Let me give you an example that borders on absurd theatre: do you know why software is licensed, not sold? You may notice that when you buy a Ford car or book, you just own the car or book, you don't get "a non-tranferrable license to use it". What's different with software?

      Because while common sense would say "I bought 1 copy, I own it, I execute that 1 copy I own, same as with a book", technically it's copied to RAM to be executed. So you'd be breaking copyright law if you copied it (even to RAM) without a license to do so. That's the loophole through which the whole "license" thing was wiggled through. And which in turn opened the door to having whatever restrictions imposed upon you that the copyright owner wishes to impose.

      "Copying" in the sense that you intentionally produce a duplicate of a book or record, was extended to something which is more of a side-effect of how computers work than wilfully duplicating someone else's work. And also taken from a context where you could actually sell or distribute the copy in direct competition with the copyright holder, to something where... let's just say it's just stupid to think that you'd pull your RAM sticks out and give them to someone as a copy of Doom 3. So it misses the whole spirit and intention of copyright law (whether you aggree or disaggree with it.)

      That's the problem with things that aren't clearly defined. If it's possible to get an advantage via a verbal fallacy or mis-construing something, some interested party _will_ do it.

      E.g., let's say we signed a brief contract that just says "Moraelin aggrees to sell his old 22" colour monitor to aeoo for one hundred dollars." Simple, clear and to the point, right?

      Well, at what date? I didn't say anywhere I'd give it to you right now, or for that matter even this year.

      Does it have to work when you receive it, or can I just give you the pieces of one that I dropped while moving? If we put in the contract that it should work, by what definition of "work"? What's your recourse if it doesn't?

      Is that US dollars, Canadian dollars, Australian dollars, or board-game dollars? Where should the money be delivered? (I'll probably want them deposited in my bank, and not, say, requiring me to go withdraw them personally from Elbonia's only bank;)

      And are you sure what kind of monitor you're getting? Now you may be thinking "bah, even if it's an old CRT, a 22 inch never was too bad". I might however point you at the dictionary and the fact that a monitor was also a kind of military ship. So by that contract I could send you a painted toy ship.

      And so on and so forth. And the whole legalese and those 30 page contracts are there just to leave as little room as possible for such creative interpretations.

      --
      A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
    56. Re:insane by freewaybear · · Score: 0

      They'll find him when they stripsearch everyone and see the penguin tattoo.

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    57. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about yelling "Fire!" in a not very crowded theater?

    58. Re:insane by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Are you trolling? First, if you don't want to sign an employment contract,
      > uh....don't sign it. People want the government to protect them from having to > do hard work like reading legal documents before signing them.

      Are you trolling? After all, you're the one who posted "Bollocks to 'free speech rights'"! I'm not sure you're in step with the rest of the world on that one.
      I've signed documents which contain unenforcable terms because I wanted something from the other party. I didn't want to sign it, on one level, because it wasn't entirely legal, but as there would be no problem having the terms annulled by a court, then why not sign it? There are many, many contracts signed around the world which don't stand up in court.

    59. Re:insane by f()rK()_Bomb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      For fucks sake! He's just some guy who works at a corporation. He's not Spartacus or Ghandi or whatever.

      Yes. But wasnt Spartacus or Ghandi also just some guy? They became symbols through their actions

      --
      "The space elevator will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing." - Arthur C. Clarke ~1980
    60. Re:insane by yerfatma · · Score: 1

      It's indicative of poor taste. One way or the other.

    61. Re:insane by NineNine · · Score: 1

      No employment contract should be able to take away free speech.

      You're exactly right. He should be able to say whatever he'd like in full public view. Microsoft should also be able to fire him in full public view, as well.

    62. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      All they really understand is that if you don't sign, you don't have a job so enjoy living under a bridge when you lose your house!

      It would appear from your example that there's only one job to be had, and it requires signing an onerous contract. Sadly for you, that certainly isn't the case in the real world.

      That is not far from holding a gun to your head, and saying, "sign this".

      Really? You always associate contracts with guns pointed at you? How odd. I don't want to live in your neighborhood, and you should move out of it as well.

      An agreement under duress is no agreement at all.

      Be sure to tell conquered nations that. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear it. Or did you mean in contract law? Because I don't see the duress, there. Now, in the unlikely event that someone did hold a gun to your head and tell you to sign a contact, you are correct that it would be invalid.

    63. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Would you let your family starve just so you didn't have to keep a company's secrects...uh....secret? If so, you're an idiot. Yes, there are onerous contracts. However, I don't see how an NDA or a confidentiality agreement even somewhat meets that standard. Get real.

    64. Re:insane by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. If I remember correctly, he was a contractor, and he was still fired for posting those photos (of Mac G5s arriving at the receiving dock)

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      -mkb
    65. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I was being sarcastic, you moron.

      As it stands, a person gets a 30 page packet and thinks, "Ah, this is some cr*p I have to sign if I want this job.. How bad can it be? They're not going to rip me off. I trust them and I want this job. I will sign it." It's obvious to me where the abuse is happening.

      Me too. In public schools. That's why lawyers can get away with making things sound so complicated, because many people don't know what many words mean. Also, as lawyers discovered that people were willing to sign things they hadn't read, they felt more able to abuse people in that way. Thing is, any time you trust a corporation or another person to have your best interest in mind, you're risking getting taken. YOU are supposed to have your best interest in mind. If you don't, why should you be immune from the consequences of your own disinterest?

    66. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I didn't say you should be able to 'sign your life away' but signing an NDA is HARDLY signing your life away. People want to ignore any section of a contract that they don't like, but how about if the company ignored the section about paying you? Would you continue to show up to work if you weren't getting paid? Or would you bust out your contract?

    67. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      On a related note, if a corporation expects you to obey its rules 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it owes you compensation for one hundred and sixty-eight hours, per week, plus overtime of course.

      Tell that to the people who carry pagers. You DO get a bonus in comp for doing things like carrying pagers and not divulging company secrets. It's all covered in that contract you're too busy to read before you sign.

      Why should your employer have control over what you blog in your off time?

      Why should you be able to divulge company business and suffer no consequences for it? Note that this only applies if you have signed an NDA...because you've agreed NOT TO DISCLOSE things. If you could only not disclose them AT WORK, where EVERYONE knows them, it wouldn't make too much fucking sense, now would it? The company isn't saying 'you can't blog on your off time', they are saying 'you can't divulge company secrets in your off time'. Those are totally different statements.

      Actually, I think what is at issue here, is that the contract at issue really isn't a choice.

      Actually, it is! You're not FORCED to sign any contract. There is more than one job in the world.

      It's very disingenuous for you to say "uh...don't sign it..." if you don't agree with it.

      Why? I've done it. I didn't like the provision that said when I carried a pager, I couldn't drink alcohol. So I told my prospective employer that I wouldn't sign unless they modified that paragraph. I know it may be hard to believe, but they did it! Imagine! All I did was...wait for it....ask!

      Protection is requested, then, for free speech, which is clearly enshrined in the Constitution as a fundamental right.

      The Constitution delineates the limits of power of the Federal Government. That means that the Federal Government can't pass a law restricting free speech (although they CAN create an agency to do it with directives instead of laws, see the FCC). The Constitution doesn't say that people can't choose to limit their speech voluntarily for money. Similarly, the right to bear arms does not give you the right to go about armed wherever you want. Sorry. You're just way off base on this one.

    68. Re:insane by Cylix · · Score: 1

      It's too late...

      Even before you made it to Spartacus... we had a new religion formed around him.

      He gives hope to the people and the people give him hope. (or something like that... work in progress ya know)

      Anyhow, becareful what you say or you might start offending some worshippers.

      America, home of the F---ad

      --
      "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
    69. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about yelling "Theatre!" in a crowded fire?

    70. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Your points, while true, have absolutely nothing to do with this particular case. He is not a whistleblower, he's a disgruntled employee (but one who seems strangely gruntled much of the time).

    71. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Are you trolling? After all, you're the one who posted "Bollocks to 'free speech rights'"! I'm not sure you're in step with the rest of the world on that one.

      In this situation, free speech rights do not apply. Bollocks to morons who think the Constitution is a magic blanket.

      I've signed documents which contain unenforcable terms because I wanted something from the other party.

      Well, how honest of you. I'm sure the rest of the world is in step with your dishonesty. I mean, you wanted something, so that made it okay, right? BUT YOU WANTED IT! That's way more important than right or wrong!

      I didn't want to sign it, on one level, because it wasn't entirely legal,

      But you still signed it. You're a moron.

      but as there would be no problem having the terms annulled by a court, then why not sign it? There are many, many contracts signed around the world which don't stand up in court.

      Well, for one thing, if you already knew it wasn't a valid contract, why did you subject the already overloaded court system to more frivolous bullshit? Oh, right, cause you WANTED something. Therefore you must get it no matter the circumstances. Whatever.

    72. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's insane is that making a criticism of the company is perceived these days as "a liability for incalculable damages".

      Especially if that criticism has the explicit aim of improving the company. To fault such behaviour implies that only obsequious cheerleaders make positive contributions to corporate welfare. Quite often it's the opposite. The "happy happy rah rah" sycophants are inept and clueless, while the disgruntled employee may have real cause for their discontent, which should be aired and acted upon.

    73. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now all that is left is to see whether or not the 5th of November is going to be one to remember.

      Hey, if you can shamelessly paraphrase, then I will too. ^_^

      *bullet time sequence of M$ security marching their mole out the door*

    74. Re:insane by PickyH3D · · Score: 1
      You're right! You should be able to bad mouth your bread and butter, publicly, and keep the job you have! I mean, it's not like that hurts the business.

      Here's your cake, and, oh you want to eat it too?

      It's illegal for a business to do things differently from their business plan available to their investors. Investors do not get the nitty gritty detail, and they should not because of the likelyhood that they would try to micromanage things already being over managed in many cases.

      Customers deserve to know that a product is coming to them, and a schedule of it. They have NO right to look into a company and see things ranging from this to pety issues with Dick and Sally about Sally cheating on him.

    75. Re:insane by hendridm · · Score: 1
      For fucks sake! He's just some guy who works at a corporation. He's not Spartacus or Ghandi or whatever.

      That's what the robots said about John Connor.

    76. Re:insane by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Well, how honest of you. I'm sure the rest of the world is in step with your
      > dishonesty. I mean, you wanted something, so that made it okay, right? BUT YOU
      > WANTED IT! That's way more important than right or wrong!

      I wanted it, AND I am right when I say that parts of the contract I signed (a contract which the other party created, not myself) were not enforcable in court. How does that make me dishonest? I wasn't the only person to sign it, although I might have been in the minority in knowing that it was unenforcable in places.

      > But you still signed it. You're a moron.

      Why does signing a contract with the knowledge that certain parts were unenforcable in my favour make me a moron? Care to explain that one?

      > Well, for one thing, if you already knew it wasn't a valid contract, why did
      > you subject the already overloaded court system to more frivolous bullshit?
      > Oh, right, cause you WANTED something. Therefore you must get it no matter
      > the circumstances. Whatever.

      You give the impression of not being very intelligent. Did you know that?

    77. Re:insane by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Funny
      He's not Spartacus...

      That's right, because I'm Spartacus.

      --
      Modern copyright is theft of culture from everyone and it retards the progress of the useful arts and sciences.
    78. Re:insane by Hugonz · · Score: 1

      If you bother to check the quote, you can see he's Batman (begins)

    79. Re:insane by yourfnmom · · Score: 1



      Even Rocky had a montage (montage)

    80. Re:insane by deadline · · Score: 1

      No, I am Spartacus

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    81. Re:insane by smallguy78 · · Score: 1

      And I can't imagine Google will ever hand over the logs to their chums to Microsoft, given the current legal case. Unless Steve Balmer gets on his knees and prays to some google techies for 5 minutes.

      --
      Nothing costs nothing
    82. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > America, home of the F---ad

      The what?

    83. Re:insane by FurryFeet · · Score: 2, Funny

      And Spartacus was just a professional athlete. And Gandhi was just a lawyer. Until the call to greatness arrived...

      (Cue epic music. Fade to black. Open to wide shot of a man typing in a computer).

    84. Re:insane by Mr+Guy · · Score: 1

      Is the theater playing "Gigli"? If so, that would be very, very wrong.

    85. Re:insane by FurryFeet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Network Associates are not the government, and could not force anyone to give up their first amendment rights through contract.

      You got this all wrong. It is the government who can't make you give up your free speech. Anyone else can, as long as you agreed to the contract.

      In other words, if you signed an NDA, YOU gave up your rights. No use complaining about that.

    86. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A contract that does not seek to rip a person off in any way should be easy to understand even to someone with just 3 years of school.

      Hmm... Law school is usually just three years, isn't it?

    87. Re:insane by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      One of my contracts a year and a half ago was terminated because of something similar. I was working for a big firm (starts with A, ends with P and there is a D somewhere in the middle.) An IT department that deals with mutual fund prospectuses.

      From the first meeting in my first day there I saw the rot. Made suggestions in the mittings, was dismissed.

      3 months later, when the product was supposed to be near delivery, but in reality needed at least 1 more year (1.5 as I hear now,) since my suggestions were not accepted (shouldn't have built their own server framework, shouldn't have used pure XP approach with 2 people at the computer and more,) well after work-hours I was asked by the VP about the project, she asked me what is it that is going wrong in the project? What do I think? I told her what I thought was wrong. I made a mistake believing that the conversation would stay private. HA! BIG mistake. She blew it up out of proportions the very next day. People were running around, everyone was quite angry etc. They brought an IBM consultant, he supported every single one of my comments. So what, my contract was still terminated 2 weeks after: 'You are a great designer/developer but we have different points of view on things' - that was the comment.

      Well, fuck em, I hated the place anyway :) But I learned something - screw the project, it's all about the money.

    88. Re:insane by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      I'm Spartacus, and so's my wife

    89. Re:insane by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      You know what the solution is? Get a lawyer. Have him read any emplyment contract before you sign.

      seriously, if you have bought a house, you absolutely, positively need a family lawyer. everyone you deal with has one, so should you.

      --
      ... hi bingo ...
    90. Re:insane by ralphus · · Score: 1

      I am Spartacus!

      --
      Revolutions are never about freedom or justice. They're about who's going to be top dog. -- Kilgore Trout
    91. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FIRE!

    92. Re:insane by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Your employment contract can't require you to be a heroin mule for instance.

      And now we know why drug runners have remained with the honorable tradition of exchanging your word, a firm handshake, and a wad of cash.

      --
      Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
    93. Re:insane by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Network Associates are not the government, and could not force anyone to give up their first amendment rights

      Wow, you're so close but have got it dead wrong.

      Network Associates is not the government, and therefore, the 1st amendment doesn't apply to them! The 1st amendment tells THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT they can't abridge those freedoms. This is because you can't escape the federal government if you want to live in America.

      All they really understand is that if you don't sign, you don't have a job so enjoy living under a bridge when you lose your house! That is not far from holding a gun to your head, and saying, "sign this". An agreement under duress is no agreement at all.

      Ummm, no, taking a voluntary job is not at all like having a gun held to your head. You can find another job.

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
    94. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      I wanted it, AND I am right when I say that parts of the contract I signed (a contract which the other party created, not myself) were not enforcable in court. How does that make me dishonest? I wasn't the only person to sign it, although I might have been in the minority in knowing that it was unenforcable in places.

      How is signing a contract promising to do certain things which you know you will never do in order to get a benefit honest? Care to explain that one? The HONEST thing to do is to say, "This is an illegal contract which I will not sign. Modify it to be legal or I will not sign." That's what an honest person would do, not grab whatever their selfish heart desires in whatever manner possible.

      Why does signing a contract with the knowledge that certain parts were unenforcable in my favour make me a moron? Care to explain that one?

      Sure. It doesn't. You're a moron AND you dishonestly entered into an illegal agreement.

      You give the impression of not being very intelligent. Did you know that?

      I don't care what internet strangers (especially idiots like you) think about me. Did you know that? Your opinion of my intelligence doesn't change it in the slightest. Did you know that? Besides, you're the one who thinks entering into an agreement you have no intention of honoring is honest. Legal, maybe, but certainly not honest.

    95. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Good point. If you can't afford a lawyer, read the contract yourself and look up whatever you don't understand on the internet. Of course, that requires the intelligence to know which sites to trust, but checking several sources is not an onerous task on the internet. The point is, blindly signing contracts is a very good way to end up in a bad situation, and it will be one of your own making, no one else's.

    96. Re:insane by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      What's insane is that making a criticism of the company is perceived these days as "a liability for incalculable damages".

      That statement was made assuming a whole bunch about the contracts the employee signed and what Microsoft would do if they found him.

      That's insane.

      Why? If someone does something that damages a company, that person is damaging, in some way, the lives of everyone associated with the company: owners, employees, shareholders, and customers.

      Why is it that the damages to the company are important anyway?

      See above?

      A company is a fictitious entity.

      No, you're thinking of comic book characters.

      Damages to people matter more than damges to companies, and in this case employees are important people, and they are the ones being damaged and not the other way around.

      How are the employees at Microsoft being "damaged"?

      --
      Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
    97. Re:insane by jafac · · Score: 1

      I've had co-workers, and even people on other blogs, identify my slashdot id purely on my writing style. I, personally, don't think there's anything special about it, and I've been pretty careful about posting any personally identifying information. But people have still made the connection.

      Even if this guy has forensically covered his tracks, he's still playing with fire by chatting up his co-workers on this blog. Sooner or later, someone's gonna put 2+2 together (probably not using Excel), and finger him. I feel sorry for what's going to happen to him. Someone better start bolting chairs to the floor in Ballmer's office.

      --

      These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
    98. Re:insane by aeoo · · Score: 1

      I understand what you're saying.

      I don't think you understand my drift. I'll try to be more direct.

      If the person wants to screw me, it's already TOO late to cover my rear end with legal documents, no matter how precise the language is.

      If the person wants to screw me, LET THEM. Why? Because I simply have no energy whatsoever left to be spent in paranoya, thinking of every conceivable instance of ill will and how that ill could be defended from via precise language. I have thought about this issue for more than 10 years, thoroughly, and I have mostly abandoned attempts at self-defence and CYA-type of attitude. I realize that I am going to die. I realize that even at 30 yrs old, I've lived a rich (with experience and not with money) life, and frankly, I am ready for death or any other outcome, even torture. I am sick of constantly fretting over my body. I am sick of having trouble falling asleep because my mind is racing, obsessed with what may or may not happen tomorrow.

      I'm not sure you understand very clearly -- I WANT TO LIVE. REALLY LIVE. And these days, I DO LIVE. I am ALIVE in the greatest sense of the word. I have little fear. I do what I think is best, no matter what. I say what is right at my work, even if I have to be fired. I don't care if I go on the street. And you know what? This is the best feeling there is. I breathe free. I walk free. I can't tell you how good it is to live like this, to rise above the mundane concerns and to exist as a fragile entity (and this is the truth anyway, bodies are fragile). I do not exaust myself worrying about who can mess me up. If someone messes me up, I only wish that they enjoy it, because then at least 1 person will be happy.

      Do you see what I am saying? The moment ILL WILL forms in someone's heart, it's already TOO LATE. Legal documents do not offer an effective defense against ILL WILL. But what does? Wisdom, patience, love, open-armed defenseless fearlessness -- you know...all those "trite" things that many people believe belong in fairy tales? Guess what? Those things are real, they are awesome and they are realizable by any being who has strong enough determination and who values such things.

    99. Re:insane by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      For many people, loss of a job (the penalty a corporation can inflict) can be as serious and life-altering as being sentenced to jail

      You obviously have never been to jail, and know nobody who has gone to jail. They are two completely different ballparks.

      Actually, I think what is at issue here, is that the contract at issue really isn't a choice. It's very disingenuous for you to say "uh...don't sign it..." if you don't agree with it-if you're independently wealthy enough that you don't care whether or not you lose your job, I am glad for you, but not all of us are so fortunate.

      But, see, if you need the job so badly that you are willing to sign away your free speech, by all means respect your word. If you promise not to discuss internal matters on the internet, then respect that.
      You know, the right to "bear arms" is also constitutional. Would you do the same fuss if your employer asked you not to bring guns into the building?

    100. Re:insane by Threni · · Score: 1

      > How is signing a contract promising to do certain things which you know you
      > will never do in order to get a benefit honest? Care to explain that one?

      The benefit is getting paid. The things that I won't do include not working for a competitor, for instance. I'll work for who I like - UK law takes a dim view of companies attempting to dictate who you can work for once you've left them.

      > The HONEST thing to do is to say, "This is an illegal contract which I will not
      > sign.

      I'm doing nothing dishonest by not telling them their contract contains unenforcable clauses. I'm not their lawyer, and I don't provide free legal advice.

      > That's what an honest person would do, not grab whatever their selfish heart
      > desires in whatever manner possible.

      Earning a living to support myself and my family is not being selfish, is it? It's not like I've stolen something from anyone. Unless and until the clause is tested in court it's irrelevant what I knew about it beforehand.

      > You're a moron AND you dishonestly entered into an illegal agreement.

      You're still no closer to demonstrating how my actions are consistant with those of a moron - you've simply repeated yourself.

      > Number one in the 'hood, G.

      What are you, 15 years old?

    101. Re:insane by TheLink · · Score: 1

      They should just have a public monthly list of the top webusers, the top URLs, and the top urls of the top webusers.

      That'll be fair. So if the bosses are checking their stocks every 2 minutes, everyone knows ;).

      --
    102. Re:insane by Relic · · Score: 1

      Actually, the government can tell you not to discuss anything they want, especially the specs on as yet unreleased products, and they don't need a contract to do it. And the punishment for disclosing the government's secrets can make a civil suit look trivial.

      Hmm, I have no idea about US law here, but going on my experience with regards to classified materials in Australia. When you are given security clearance, I seem to recall it coming with the federal equivalent of an NDA.... So you are consenting to keep material you receive confidential. Thats given you received information through proper channels.

      Getting info that you are not meant to have, yeah they have other methods of shutting you up, but that would seem to be a different issue compared to the one under discussion. (we are discussing disemintating opinions based on information recieved under an NDA, or at least I am).

    103. Re:insane by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I've always believed they should be required to provide a plain language version with the original contract, even if the plain language version isn't legaly binding.

      What good would that do? If they disagree, then the legalese portion takes precedence, so you need to understand it anyway.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    104. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you took the job, you agreed that the pay was sufficient for the work required of you as well as the restrictions of the NDA. If you didn't, then you shouldn't have taken the job.

      The number of hours you work compared to the number they compensate you for is irrelevant because again you agreed that the compensation was adequqate.

      You do not lose your right of free speech because you signed an NDA. Assuming you bargained for more money because of the NDA like any reasonable person would, you're actually receiving more money because, while you have continue to have free speech rights and can exercise them, you choose to limit your use of them for monetary gain. Don't like that trade-off? Don't make the deal.

      All these people who whine about how these agreements are unfair are just unwilling to accept that they are responsible for the agreements into which they enter.

      Grow up.

      AC

    105. Re:insane by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Sorry. You're just way off base on this one.

      Actually, I don't believe I am, but let's go into that.

      Tell that to the people who carry pagers. You DO get a bonus in comp for doing things like carrying pagers and not divulging company secrets. It's all covered in that contract you're too busy to read before you sign.

      True, they have to pay extra for "on-call" status, but I've never seen extra offered for an NDA. That doesn't mean it's never happened, of course, but to my knowledge it's not standard practice. Oh, and personally, I agree that you should ALWAYS read a document in full before signing, and ensure that anything you're not clear on is made clear. That doesn't change my premise, however, that certain types of contracts should be disallowed altogether.

      Why should you be able to divulge company business and suffer no consequences for it? Note that this only applies if you have signed an NDA...because you've agreed NOT TO DISCLOSE things. If you could only not disclose them AT WORK, where EVERYONE knows them, it wouldn't make too much fucking sense, now would it? The company isn't saying 'you can't blog on your off time', they are saying 'you can't divulge company secrets in your off time'. Those are totally different statements.

      Again, true, but most (if not all) states, as well as the federal government, already prohibit disclosure of trade secrets by law. Other than that, you should be free to discuss what's happened at work-if your employer is screwing you over, you have the right to complain. If they're practicing bad business, the public has a right to know, especially if it's a publically-traded company. From what I read of the blog, he's not disclosing trade secrets. I don't see the source code for Longhorn or some long-term plan to buy out a competitor there. For the most part, he's bringing up information which is already publically available, and supplementing the discussion with his own experience.

      Actually, it is! You're not FORCED to sign any contract. There is more than one job in the world.

      Again, technically true, but disingenuous as to the way corporations work. If one does this, others will follow suit, and quickly you'll find your choice to be "sign it or don't work at all." While technically they can't -make- you sign, if they can say "sign it or lose your job", they can bring an immense amount of pressure to bear just with that.

      Why? I've done it. I didn't like the provision that said when I carried a pager, I couldn't drink alcohol. So I told my prospective employer that I wouldn't sign unless they modified that paragraph. I know it may be hard to believe, but they did it! Imagine! All I did was...wait for it....ask!

      I'm glad it worked out for you, and yes, quite often, they will be willing to negotiate on certain things. Again, that doesn't change my premise that they shouldn't be -allowed- to put certain restrictions in a contract, at all.

      The Constitution delineates the limits of power of the Federal Government. That means that the Federal Government can't pass a law restricting free speech (although they CAN create an agency to do it with directives instead of laws, see the FCC). The Constitution doesn't say that people can't choose to limit their speech voluntarily for money. Similarly, the right to bear arms does not give you the right to go about armed wherever you want. Sorry. You're just way off base on this one.

      The "right to bear arms" bit is offtopic and hasn't been part of this at all, so I am going to decline to respond to that.

      You're reading the Constitution pretty narrowly. I would be more inclined to say that it establishes a fundamental right to free speech (as do several human rights treaties that the United States is a signatory to), the only threat to which, at the TIME, was the federal government. It is my guess that if they had foreseen, in 1776, widespread contractual obligations to curtail speech, this would have bee

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      To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
    106. Re:insane by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      No! I'm Spartacus.

      --
      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
    107. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Practice what you preach! Why all this bizarre censoring of your own post:

      what the fsc*k the legal ... time to say "f u" to ... some cr*p I have to sign

      Why not just use plain language?

    108. Re:insane by jhoger · · Score: 1

      Sure it is relevant. No he is not a whistleblower. I was attempting to make the point that contracts are not absolute, but that contracts that counter public policy may not be enforced.

      In this case, the concern is freedom of speech, or more accurately, free flow of information about the operation of public companies and short of violating some trade secrets or seriously affecting the command and control structure of the company, one could argue that free speech in general is a public policy goal worth protecting. This gives another data point for investors and would-be investors, Microsoft customers, etc.

      Also, Microsoft seems to be encouraging its employees to write blogs these days anyway. Given that, they may have a hard time firing this guy when they (and they will) figure out who he is (assuming he actually does work there and has an employment contract... unlikely, but who knows he could be the janitor or a well-connected outsider)

      -- John.

    109. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      The benefit is getting paid.

      No, really?

      The things that I won't do include not working for a competitor, for instance.

      But you'll legally claim that you're perfectly willing not to work for anyone else....of course, you have no intention of honoring your claim, which is the dishonest part. The honest thing would be to tell the company, "I won't sign until you remove this clause."

      I'll work for who I like - UK law takes a dim view of companies attempting to dictate who you can work for once you've left them.

      So then why'd you sign the agreement? Agreement means...you agree. It doesn't mean you secretly don't agree. That isn't its definition. If you don't agree, legally claiming that you do is....dishonest.

      I'm doing nothing dishonest by not telling them their contract contains unenforcable clauses. I'm not their lawyer, and I don't provide free legal advice.

      You're legally accepting a clause which you have no intention of honoring. That. Is. Dishonest.


      Earning a living to support myself and my family is not being selfish, is it?


      Certainly not. However, the way you decided to go about it sure was. Or was there only one job in the entire country?

      Unless and until the clause is tested in court it's irrelevant what I knew about it beforehand.

      So, for example, if the company signed the contract and had no intention of paying you, that would be perfectly honest in your opinion, until tested in court? See, it's statements like the ones you've made recently that demonstrate how moronic you are.

      You're still no closer to demonstrating how my actions are consistant with those of a moron - you've simply repeated yourself.

      First of all, I demostrated that your assumption, that you are a moron because of one statement, was not what I was implying. Secondly, I don't need to demonstrate how you're a moron. You're doing a stellar job of it yourself.

      What are you, 15 years old?

      No, I'm 7. It's sad that you can't hold your own intellectually with a seven year old.

    110. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      True, they have to pay extra for "on-call" status, but I've never seen extra offered for an NDA. That doesn't mean it's never happened, of course, but to my knowledge it's not standard practice.

      People who sign NDAs generally make a higher base salary than those who are not required to sign them. I know that I was told it was part of the 'base package' of compensation when I asked. This was at two different employers. The crux of the matter, however, is that if you don't wish to bear the burdens of the job, why on Earth should you get the job?

      I'm glad it worked out for you, and yes, quite often, they will be willing to negotiate on certain things. Again, that doesn't change my premise that they shouldn't be -allowed- to put certain restrictions in a contract, at all.

      I didn't challenge that premise either. For example, they shouldn't be allowed to put a clause in a contract stating that you'll murder your own child if you're late to work. I just don't believe that an NDA falls under your premise. Why should people be not only allowed but compensated for divulging company secrets?

      The "right to bear arms" bit is offtopic and hasn't been part of this at all, so I am going to decline to respond to that.

      Um. It's the second ammendment. You argued that the first ammendment should apply to private organizations, while I countered with another ammendment in the same document (the next one, even) which blows your argument. No wonder you declined to respond. Perhaps if you delineated precisely which parts of the Constitution you consider important I could keep my arguments to them.

      You're reading the Constitution pretty narrowly. I would be more inclined to say that it establishes a fundamental right to free speech (as do several human rights treaties that the United States is a signatory to), the only threat to which, at the TIME, was the federal government. It is my guess that if they had foreseen, in 1776, widespread contractual obligations to curtail speech, this would have been prohibited expressly as well, but if such existed at all at the time, they were certainly not in wide use.

      Oh, I see. They thought indentured servitude was A-OK but not an NDA? Come on, that's ridiculous. Besides, the document is MEANT to be read narrowly, it ONLY applies to the Federal Government. The fact that it has been applied otherwise does not mean that it was intended to do so.

      I do not believe that the intent of the First Amendment was "Congress may not restrict free speech, but whoever else would like to, feel free."

      No, it means that I may censor anyone I wish within my own private property. You have no right to free speech inside my house. You have no right to free speech inside my business. If I don't like what you say, I can legally kick you out. That pretty much denies your argument, unless you don't believe that a person has a right to control their own property.

      For example, the Thirteenth Amendment outlaws slavery. Period. You cannot enter into a contract, for money, making you a slave-because it is forbidden by the Constitution.

      Um. If you're getting paid and you voluntarily entered into the agreement, it isn't slavery. However, if you decided that you were going to voluntarily do whatever someone asked for the rest of your life, you think the government would step in and prevent you from doing so? Why?

      Why shouldn't Constitutional law apply to the appropriate conduct of corporations?

      Because it is only meant to enumerate the powers of the Federal Government, obviously.

      It's (at least supposed to be) the supreme law of the land.

      No, you're thinking of the United States Code. That isn't the Constitution.

      If a power is dangerous in government hands, we should be twice as reluctant to place it in private hands.

      I totally disagree. I believe that government should never weild more power than individuals. We'll probably never agree on that one. I trust myself and those I know far more than I will ever trust a centralized government.

    111. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      In this case, the concern is freedom of speech, or more accurately, free flow of information about the operation of public companies and short of violating some trade secrets or seriously affecting the command and control structure of the company, one could argue that free speech in general is a public policy goal worth protecting. This gives another data point for investors and would-be investors, Microsoft customers, etc.

      You're only guaranteed to have speech free from Federal Government restriction by law. However, that doesn't mean that no matter where you are, you may say whatever you wish. For example, if you come into my home, and start making sexual suggestions to my wife, I can and will ask you (or force you) to leave. You don't have free speech on private property. Last time I checked, even publicly held corporations were allowed to consider their campuses private property. Thus there is no guarantee of free speech there.

      As for that info being helpful to investors, I don't doubt it nor claim that it wouldn't be. I simply note that Microsoft is not legally bound to provide it.

      Also, Microsoft seems to be encouraging its employees to write blogs these days anyway. Given that, they may have a hard time firing this guy when they (and they will) figure out who he is (assuming he actually does work there and has an employment contract... unlikely, but who knows he could be the janitor or a well-connected outsider)

      I doubt Microsoft is encouraging employees to bad-mouth them in blogs. Also, if he is not a contracted employee, then Microsoft should have no control over his speech (but could exert control over the speech of his informants, if they signed NDAs).

    112. Re:insane by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      Gotta say, though... urhm, what was he thinking? Taking pictures of Microsoft receiving Macs? Of COURSE someone was gonna get a little peeved about that!

    113. Re:insane by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      No offense, but let's put it like this: medicine says that about 1% of the people are psychopaths. (And according to a recent article, a lot of them are in management too.)

      We're talking people who just don't have any empathy. Unlike, say, autists which can't read the signals, these guys typically read them all right but use them at best for their own entertainment. If you think your disarming defenselessness would make one think "oh my god, I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I screwed such a nice guy", you're sadly mistaken. They just aren't wired for that. They're wired to see you as no better than a bug to step on, or fry with a magnifying glass just to see how long it takes for it to die.

      And that's just one class of people who'd be more than happy to have some painful entertainment at your expense, if you really were as defenseless as you pretend and if that legal stuff didn't keep them from it.

      If you think that you've been safe so far because no ill will already formed all around you, you might as well believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. You live in the same society and among the same people who as late as the 20'th century ordered others to shoot starving factory workers in cold blood. People who between a few dollars profit and a few hundred human lives, chose the dollars.

      I'm not even talking about something disguised as patriotism, duty to one's country or to God, or whatever other excuses people use to avoid feeling guilty. I'm talking literally personally ordering that some people be shot and left to bleed to death on the pavement, just because they're in the way of corporate profits. That kinda lack of empathy.

      There's a lot more ill will around you than you think, and if you can afford to play the whole shiny-hippy... err... happy charade of being defenseless, is precisely because you aren't. It's because all that legalese and all that legal framework actually work. Because they do a mighty fine job of deterring a lot of people, long after that ill intent has formed in their hearts.

      Also, IMHO you see a false dichotomy where one doesn't exist. There is no point at which you must choose between trembling for your very life in every hour of your life, and "la la la, I'm defenseless and happy". There's a huge difference between being affraid and just being informed and prepared. You seem to lump them in the same pot, but actually being informed and prepared may well mean you know _why_ you don't have to be appraid.

      I can spend 15 minutes reading a contract before I sign it, and still be quite happy the rest of the time. Among other things _because_ I've read it, know what's in it, know my legal rights, and don't need to worry about it. I'm quite happy not because I choose to stay ignorant, but because I know what can happen, why, and what are my choices if/when that happens.

      It's like living in the valey under a dam, in a sense. You can (A) tremble for your life, or (B) you can take your kinda shiny-happy "I'm happy to ignore the risks and don't care if I die" approach, but (C) I'll prefer to know what can happen and why it's improbable to happen. I'll sleep very soundly at night knowing that, say, it would take a direct nuclear strike to breach it (in which case the water would be the last of my concerns anyway), than trying to convince myself that I'm better off not knowing and not caring. Or I can choose to move to another place where I can feel safer, and go back to being happy without being ill informed.

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      A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
    114. Re:insane by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      People who sign NDAs generally make a higher base salary than those who are not required to sign them. I know that I was told it was part of the 'base package' of compensation when I asked. This was at two different employers. The crux of the matter, however, is that if you don't wish to bear the burdens of the job, why on Earth should you get the job?

      If you're talking about NDA's in terms of things which would normally be considered a trade secret, you, me, and the law, are already in agreement. What I'm discussing here is companies firing employees for discussing, in their off time, away from work, things which would not be considered a trade secret. If this guy was posting the source for Vista or specifications on a secret project, by all means, they should be able to fire him. (And they would likely go after him civilly and possibly criminally, as well.) However, dissatisfaction with a job is not, to my knowledge, defined as a "trade secret".

      I didn't challenge that premise either. For example, they shouldn't be allowed to put a clause in a contract stating that you'll murder your own child if you're late to work. I just don't believe that an NDA falls under your premise. Why should people be not only allowed but compensated for divulging company secrets?

      And I didn't challenge your premise. What I am challenging is companies restricting speech made away from work which is not divulging company secrets, but only expressing dissatisfaction. Just because something is potentially embarrassing doesn't mean they should be able to keep it under wraps. I am asserting that companies should be prohibited from regulating speech beyond what trade secret legislation sets forth.

      Um. It's the second ammendment. You argued that the first ammendment should apply to private organizations, while I countered with another ammendment in the same document (the next one, even) which blows your argument. No wonder you declined to respond. Perhaps if you delineated precisely which parts of the Constitution you consider important I could keep my arguments to them.

      The Second Amendment provides for the carrying of arms in the establishment of a "well-armed militia". Therefore, so long as you are not a felon, you are free to own a gun, and your employer is free to tell you to leave it at home, just as you are free to forbid guns being brought into your own home. However, this does not apply-we are not discussing those who are blogging -while on the job-, and I fully support the right of employers to say "No blogging, personal emailing, playing of games, etc." while you are on a work computer, and to fire those who break that rule. However, in this case, we are discussing someone blogging on their time off, on their own computer. This would be more equivalent to your employer attempting to state that you may not own a gun, period. Would you have a problem with that?

      Oh, I see. They thought indentured servitude was A-OK but not an NDA? Come on, that's ridiculous. Besides, the document is MEANT to be read narrowly, it ONLY applies to the Federal Government. The fact that it has been applied otherwise does not mean that it was intended to do so.

      Yes, they did think slavery was OK, and it took a great deal of struggle to overcome that mistake. However, they quite clearly stated that a restriction on free speech was unacceptable, and that was, most certainly, not a mistake. But if we let corporations pick up where government leaves off, the restriction is very empty, very meaningless. Corporations hold a great deal of power, and are already in bed with the government. To suggest that the two should be considered as absolutely separate entities is to ignore reality.

      No, it means that I may censor anyone I wish within my own private property. You have no right to free speech inside my house. You have no right to free speech inside my business. If I don't like what you say, I can legally kick you out. That pretty much

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    115. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I quit reading your post at "WRONG! BZZZZ!"

      Clearly, you are an asshole.

    116. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about NDA's in terms of things which would normally be considered a trade secret, you, me, and the law, are already in agreement. What I'm discussing here is companies firing employees for discussing, in their off time, away from work, things which would not be considered a trade secret.

      He is posting the inner workings of the company, things which competitors could use to their advantage. He is also slamming the company, which may be his right but for which the company is also right to fire him. No company should be required to continue paying an employee who discloses things that company does not want disclosed, excepting if that company is acting illegally. Is that your contention in this case?

      Just because something is potentially embarrassing doesn't mean they should be able to keep it under wraps.

      Erm, I rather think that's a terrific reason for wanting to keep something under wraps.

      This would be more equivalent to your employer attempting to state that you may not own a gun, period. Would you have a problem with that?

      That depends. On whose property is my home? Is it my property or the property of the company? In the latter case, assuming I signed a contract which specified that I may not own a gun while living in company housing, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I suppose the short answer is: it would depend. Just like with speech.

      Again, the Federal Government was the only potentially powerful entity at the time.

      Really? The state governments had no power? Oops, yes they did. In fact, the purpose of the Constitution was to make sure the FedGov never got more powerful than the states. It has utterly failed in that regard.


      The idea of large corporations existing apart from a government was not a thought at the time.


      Then how could a document written then possibly have been meant to apply to them?

      This clause has been found to apply well beyond the federal government, and clearly establishes life, liberty, and property as fundamental rights, which can be denied to no one except under due process of law.

      That is also written into the USC.

      I encourage you to view the decision Marbury v. Madison, which seemed to imply otherwise, as well as the countless cases intervening in which laws of the United States Code were struck down because they violated the Constitution.

      Yes, because the Federal Government, which that document is designed to limit, stepped over the line in making certain laws.

      Your boss deciding he doesn't like something you said about him is no such due process, and his attempt to restrict you from saying it while not at work is a deprivation of your liberty.

      If your boss cannot fire you for saying it, you are depriving him of his liberty.

      I think it depends upon the type of power we are talking about. The government certainly wields greater firepower than any individual, for instance, but I am certainly not all for privatizing nukes or letting these idiots who can't even handle their SUV drive a tank around. Nor should individuals hold the power to imprison someone for a crime, that power is (correctly, in my opinion) left to the government only, but with significant due-process safeguards.

      Well, I would submit that town elders have excercised the power to imprison people in accordance with the wishes of the community before. My problem isn't with government per se, it's with centralized, powerful government. I should have been more clear, and that is my fault.
      I don't think the FedGov should have the power to kill its citizens, nor the power to forcibly tax them, nor the power to overrule state laws. Yet currently it has and excercises all those powers.
      Also, I apologise for the typo in that section. I usually catch those.

      On the other hand, certain powers should remain with individuals, and be considered inalienable-that is, cannot be given up or contracted away. Free speech i

    117. Re:insane by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Well, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here, and while I still disagree with your position, I respect the fact that you've obviously thought it through and can defend it. Thanks for a very good debate on it though, you've made some interesting points.

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    118. Re:insane by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Thank you as well. It's rare that people can actually engage in debate on slashdot (or really, anywhere it seems) without it devolving into a strawman-laden name-calling fight. And while I enjoy a good donnybrook now and then, I enjoy thoughtful discussion much more. You also made some good points, and I will re-read and ponder them. I'm not averse to changing my mind, although I do admit that it rarely happens.
      Anyway, thanks again. I admire your style.

    119. Re:insane by zevans · · Score: 1

      I like the way you said "abstruse" and then had to explain what it meant. :-)

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    120. Re:insane by zevans · · Score: 1

      Crikey, who are you two, and what have you done with the REAL slashdotters, you swine!

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
    121. Re:insane by zevans · · Score: 1
      I've had co-workers, and even people on other blogs, identify my slashdot id purely on my writing style. I, personally, don't think there's anything special about it, and I've been pretty careful about posting any personally identifying information. But people have still made the connection.

      Worrying, because you write a bit like I do. I apologise in advance for anything I drop you in accidentally. :-)

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    122. Re:insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't use the word retarded to mean stupid. That's so gay!

    123. Re:insane by jafac · · Score: 1

      Well, if that's the case, I apologize if you end up in Camp X-Ray/Guantanamo Bay for anything I write.

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    124. Re:insane by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      we are discussing disemintating opinions based on information recieved under an NDA, or at least I am

      Me too. The US Government can criminally prosecute breaking a government NDA. Classified information is by definition of national security, so anyone who disseminates such information, regardless of what they signed, would be subject to prosecution. The point is, the government has much a much greater arsenal of legal remedies at its disposal than a corporation, and the First Amendment won't even begin to shield you from those remedies.

    125. Re:insane by djwudi · · Score: 1

      > Nah, that's not Woody's (Michael Hanscom to those of you who don't know him) posting style...

      Heh. Now I'm curious who you are...fewer and fewer people call me "Woody" anymore.

      And, just to give the definitive answer as to who I was and why I lost the position (just on the off chance that anyone's paying attention to this particular thread _and_ this gets modded up enough for anyone to see...):

      Here's the original weblog posts for [the photo][1], the [day I lost the position][2], and my [final wrap-up][3].

      [1]: http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/ even_microsoft.html
      [2]: http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/ of_blogging_and.html
      [3]: http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/ fifteen_minutes.html

      And that's about the meat of everything.

      --
      "We communicate daily and say nothing. We have rebuilt the Tower of Babel and it is a television antenna." -- Ted Koppel
    126. Re:insane by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      A certain composer buddy who was one of the Children of the Subwoofer and wasn't your roommate. How's that for obscure while still telling you who I am?

  3. O_O by prurientknave · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The end of the evil empire!

  4. Dim view of MS's evolution? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    In other words the employee(s) are no different than everyone else? Shocking!

    1. Re:Dim view of MS's evolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dim view as evolution

      view = MS

      if view = progress then

      msgbox "yay!"

      else

      msgbox "What did you expect"

      end if

  5. Does anyone else here thing they could be shilling by bergeron76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is clearly an inside tale, but I can't help but wonder if it's some new form of marketing.

    Pretend you're a badguy insider, develop a following, and then you can mitigate rumours/leaked info/etc.

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  6. Interview with Steve Ballmer by SCVirus · · Score: 0

    Press: Have you heard of someone they call 'deep throat' Steve Ballmer: WHAT?! NO never, that was 20 years ago, I was young and needed money and...

    1. Re:Interview with Steve Ballmer by mrpostal · · Score: 1

      You forgot to throw a chair.

  7. Blog is down.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try the Google cache

    Posted AC to avoid accusations of karma whoring..

    1. Re:Blog is down.. by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Karma whore! You're a dirty, smelly, pirate karma whore! Why don't you go back to your home on pirate karma whore island?!

      --
      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
      -- Pablo Picasso
    2. Re:Blog is down.. by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Looks like all of Blogspot is down. Clearly, it's a Microsoft plot.

    3. Re:Blog is down.. by strider44 · · Score: 1

      The above post is posted as "Funny" to prevent accusations of Karma Whoring.

  8. google cache (slightly out of date?) by nsadhal · · Score: 1

    here

    may be a bit old... it's not up on mirrordot yet

  9. Where's the proof? by stubear · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It amazes me (well not really, this is /. after all) that slashbots will take anything at face value as long as it proves their assertions. Where's the proof this guy is a Microsoft employee? Where's the proof the reader comments are from Microsoft employees? If either of these are true, would they make similar comments if they worked at some other large corporation? I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, I'm just pointing out a character flaw in the community.

    1. Re:Where's the proof? by Trepalium · · Score: 1

      Read some other Microsoft blogs sometime. Either this "guy" is a real Microsoft insider, or he's spent far too much time studying the company. He's not writing about anything that isn't present on other websites, but he writes about them in more detail. Of course, there's also the fact that none of his fellow Microsoft bloggers (outside of Ballmer) seem to be saying that what he's saying isn't true. There's always a chance that this is an elaborate hoax, but I don't think the chances of that are very high. Some of these Microsoft folks would've stepped up to deny this, and wouldn't be saying nice things about mini-microsoft.

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    2. Re:Where's the proof? by apparently · · Score: 2, Informative

      One would think that the author of the BusinessWeek article linked in the summary would've
      1) seen the man's credentials
      2) been able to spot a fake

      when meeting the blogger in person.

    3. Re:Where's the proof? by dedazo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      He is an MSFT employee. He knows way too many things only insiders would be familiar with - not even an ex-employee. But he's very careful not to reveal internals that would get him in trouble. Very clever. He's also an above-average writer, FWIW.

      It's been theorized he's (yes, he) is a mid-level guy in PSS. A few of his posts bear this out, but a few others don't. Like I said, he's very careful with what he gives away.

      Having said that... yes, this is another opportunity for the slashbots to come out of the woodwork to post their ever-hilarious "M$ is teh suxx" jokes.

      Anyway... must get some sleep.

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    4. Re:Where's the proof? by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where's the proof this guy is a Microsoft employee?

      How many Microsoft employees have disputed it? Mini has stated a lot of inside information that real employees of Microsoft could easily confirm or deny, and I have never heard a viable claim that Mini isn't real. It's pretty much considered a given that Mini is real, and their comments have been validated by known insiders quite a few times.

      would they make similar comments if they worked at some other large corporation?

      Most large corporations suck, and that is precisely what Mini has been trying to say all along. Saying that HP is even more sucky says nothing, and pretty much entirely misses the whole point. In Vietnam people work in sweat shops from 6am to 11pm every day for pennies, but I'm not going to use that to validate poor working conditions here.

      I've worked at several corporations, and while a couple were pretty good, there were some terrible corporations that are nothing but endless shuffles of executives building empires and covering their asses (and absolutely RAPING the financials of the company for themselves), building a world of executives, and a completely separate world of plebs. Mini's various comments makes it sound like Microsoft is evolving to this, and given Microsoft's storied past that is quite simply sad.

    5. Re:Where's the proof? by uncoveror · · Score: 1

      Is there any chance that this is the guy who drinks quite a bit at Redmond area bars, then starts to talk about things like "kill code" to force upgrades and future versions of Windows? Stranger things have been true before.

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      The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
    6. Re:Where's the proof? by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Wow, yeah. And let me be the first to thank you for uncovering this explosive evidence. It rates right up there with your hard-hitting expose on the CULT TO SACRIFICE VIRGINS AT MOUNT SAINT HELENS piece.

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    7. Re:Where's the proof? by bladesjester · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It says explicitly in the article "Mini, who does indeed have a Microsoft blue badge, the type given to full-time staff."

      There's your proof. He's got a blue badge and the reporter saw it.

      --
      Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
    8. Re:Where's the proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why your post was modded troll. You asked some relevant questions in what sounds like a sincere post. Fortunately, some readers responded with informative, on topic, answers.

    9. Re:Where's the proof? by BigusDickus · · Score: 0

      He seems legit to me. His comments bring to mind something I read a while back from Robert X. Cringely:
      "At Microsoft, you say 'yes' to everybody above you and 'no' to everybody below you."

    10. Re:Where's the proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > He is an MSFT employee. He knows way too many things only insiders would be familiar with - not even an ex-employee. But he's very careful not to reveal internals that would get him in trouble. Very clever. He's also an above-average writer, FWIW.

      FWIW? I'm sorry, even though I did google it and found it this stands for "For What It's Worth" how is one supposed to get that out of the context? Please, everyone, stop using acronyms unless it's the second time you're using such a saying.

      What would you think if my post was simply FIETIDGIAFITSFFWIWHIOSTGTOOTCPESUAUITSTYUSAS?

  10. There's a BETTER blogspot blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://rhfootball.blogspot.com/

    (Now that blogs are searchable, we're finding all sorts of things!)

  11. Disillusioned or delusional? by thirdrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the guy's complaints could come straight from a Dilbert cartoon. Seems to me like someone hasn't worked for a large bureaucratic organisation before.

    On the other hand, the computer business is not an environment in which bureaucracies survive for very long. At least, not without radical change.

    Perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for.

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    1. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by gromitcode · · Score: 1

      yep no beuracatic org ever survives in IT. That is why oracle, apple, IBM, SAP, CA et al all went broke years ago.

    2. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Inaffect · · Score: 1

      I must agree. You know there is nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with the workplace and writing about it, but it does have its limitations.

    3. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "On the other hand, the computer business is not an environment in which bureaucracies survive for very long. At least, not without radical change."

      You've hit the nail on the head here.

      MS brought in the stifling management-types who the "Deep Throat" lambasts in order to preserve market cap (stock price) -- they wanted to bring in some visible measure of stability in order to shore up investor confidence.

      The problem with this approach is that stability does not serve well in an industry that changes so quickly. I have no problem with the size of Microsoft. The problem is that their approach to generating revenues is too focused on past sources. The underlying assumption is that what has worked in the past will continue to work -- but the market changes faster than MS can get its considerable bulk moving.

      Two possible solutions that I can see:

      (1) Do what Blogger X has suggested and trim the fat. Refocus on the most profitable products and get rid of the rest. Do a couple things really well, and get rid of managerial constraints on development.

      (2) Let loose the hounds. Give creative control over to divisions. Do not mandate innovation, but mandate an innovation-friendly environment. Still, MS will have to make sure that their core business is attended to.

      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    4. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      yep no beuracatic org ever survives in IT. That is why oracle, apple, IBM, SAP, CA et al all went broke years ago.

      You seem to be implying that these companies have not undergone a (or many) radical change to their culture since their inception. I can't speak for SAP or CA, but I would say that your implication is dead wrong for both IBM and Apple.

      Do you have a tale to the contrary, or was your post just a quip?

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    5. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for"

      First off Microsoft does not have any serious competition for the biggest money makers, Windows and MS Office. The only problem they now face is making people want to buy new hardware and software. They are making a big miscalculation with Vista if they make it so expensive for businesses that upgrading will not be a sensible option. There are still alot of organisations that are really smarting from trying to run Server2003 on older hardware. Not to mention what happened with Citrix and thin clients trying to run XP. The hospitals my wife works for had to run out and buy all new PCs because the thin clients just did not cut the mustard! They are still using Windows 2000 server because the expense to "upgrade" to 2003 is just not justified. Not to mention the nightmares of trying to remap the network.

      No the real problem Microsoft faces is that it just might innovate itself to death, by alienating customers with too much change. The business model of Microsoft is flawed in as much as it relies on growth too much. In fact the very same problem plagues every business that has no real competition.

    6. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by hepwori · · Score: 1
      CMD does not support UNC paths as current directories.

      It doesn't, but a neat workaround is using pushd and popd.

      pushd \\server\share

      Maps a temporary drive and changes the current directory.

      popd

      not only changes the directory back, but unmaps the drive.

    7. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Aceticon · · Score: 1

      Companies which have a natural monopoly tend to breed internal bureaucracies:

      - When growth is slow, clients have no real option and there are no real external threaths to the market position of a company, it's management turns to backstabbing as means of career progression, tries to hold on and extend whatever power they have and in general starts spending much more time in the "looking good to higher management", "butt-kissing" and "pass around the hot potato" activities.

      Basically a middle-age mentality is born inside the company, every manager making their own little fortress, trying to have as big a domain as possible, trying to control as many "peasents" as possible, trying to look good for the king and trying to make the other lords (managers) look bad for the king.

      Don't for a second delude yourself into thinking that in this respect IT is "special" and that "it doesn't happen to us".

    8. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being ex CA and a current IBM employee I can assure you that both are about as beuracatic an org as they come. Anything you have heard to the contrary is bullshit.

    9. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      being ex CA and a current IBM employee I can assure you that both are about as beuracatic an org as they come. Anything you have heard to the contrary is bullshit.

      Forgive my incredulity, but hard as I try, I find it difficult to believe that a person unable to spell bureaucratic would be employed at CA or IBM.

      However, I seem to recall IBM being on the eve of destruction in the late eighties, and were able to restructure their business in such a way that they changed both their revenue and cost base in the course of 5-8 years. This would imply to me that there is still an ability within the culture to be flexible and innovative. As for CA, I have no doubt you are correct.

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    10. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that it's competitors

      "its".

    11. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      That's insane. Thank you.

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    12. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      So, Perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for. is now considered insightful?

      Even though it gets said about anything MSFT does or has done for years?

      Bill Gates is said to be suffering from a bout of constipation after a recent cheese tasting - perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for!

      I heard Steve B. had difficulty perfofming for his wife - perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for!

      The other day, this friend of mine saw a rat on her floor, and she screamed "Aieeeeee!" as she beat the crap out of it with a broom! "Aieeeee!" sounds like "IE" and that must mean that Internet Explorer is in trouble - perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for!

      They have an epic mountain of cash. They manage to avoid any significant fallout after being sued by the government. I'm pretty much convinced Bill Gates could rape a baby on the Today show and other than being admonished by Matt Laurer, nothing would come of it.

      When they regularly stop making a profit, when their cash reserves dip below 20ish billion, when the average person recognizes that MSFT *isn't* actually the only player in the game, then maybe we can start talking about chinks in their armor.

      But for right now? Yeah - they've got crust built up inside 'em. And people bitch publically about how much it sucks to work there (though, to be honest, most of the complaints seem to me as if MSFT is now "just like anywhere else" rather than being in some kind of death spiral). It's a high profile company that lots of people love to hate, but come on.

      Here is the only time where I'll say "Perhaps this is the chink in MS armour that it's competitors have been waiting for!": Mac OSX has 25% of the desktop market, Linux distros have 10% and OpenOffice has at least 30% of the business apps package. That would mean they are weak in their core - their cash cows would be running dry.

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    13. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      I agree with your general premise, however I disagree that Microsoft has a natural monopoly. In fact I would say that Microsoft's monopoly is un-natural.

      You are correct that in natural monopolies that the employees tend to engage in medieaval behaviours, and given the monopoly status, such behaviour does not dramatically affect the business of the monopoly in question.

      But Microsods have an un-natural monopoly, and this kind of behaviour offers specific opportunities to it's competitors;

      1) The assets of a software company are in the brains of the people working there. Unlike a natural monopoly (in which one cannot move the roads or the telegraph poles easily), labour has mobility. Disaffected programmers jump ship, going to other software companies in the process.

      2) Security issues can only be 'spun' so often before consumers start to wise up. Building well tested, robust software changes Microsoft's business model (in which it copies other companies ideas and releases them faster). Changing your business model requires a culture that is flexible, not bureaucratic. As it is, MS are now stuck in 'never deliver' land.

      3) The web (or http protocol) is still moving towards being a 'platform' from which applications are launched. In this space Microsoft has many competitors, some of whom are moving much faster than a medieaval behomoth.

      Don't for a second delude yourself into thinking that in this respect IT is "special" and that "it doesn't happen to us".

      I can't enjoy this delusion for even 1 second???? ;)

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  12. Talk about it either good or bad ... by Korbeau · · Score: 1

    this still makes some great publicity!

  13. mini-microsoft by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny


    Steve Balmer will wear a frickin' laser on his forehead now. I'd watch out if I was you.

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    1. Re:mini-microsoft by whiteranger99x · · Score: 2, Funny

      A hyper-active dancing oaf with lasers mounted on his forehead...no good can come from this...

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    2. Re:mini-microsoft by DigitalHammer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd watch out for those flying chairs first. :)

    3. Re:mini-microsoft by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      I thought that was supposed to be for sharks, not whales...

    4. Re:mini-microsoft by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speaking of Steve Ballmer and his forehead, has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Zippy The Pinhead?

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    5. Re:mini-microsoft by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      And Windows is the operating system equivalent of an ill-tempered mutated sea bass...

    6. Re:mini-microsoft by CvD · · Score: 1

      Bah... frickin' laser beams are old school. Eye-rays are the new hotness.

  14. Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by infonography · · Score: 5, Funny

    They have fallen into the that old joke of Lily Tomlin, Included for perspective and for those of you who thought (rightly) that SNL was not worth watching. (once they were worth watching)

    The Phone Company

    Ernestine.....Lily Tomlin

    Ernestine: We handle eighty-four billion calls a year. Serving everyone from presidents and kings to the scum of the earth. We realize that every so often you can't get an operator, for no apparent reason your phone goes out of order, or perhaps you get charged for a call you didn't make.

    We don't care.

    Watch this.. [ she hits buttons maniacally ] ..just lost Peoria.

    You see, this phone system consists of a multibillion-dollar matrix of space age technology that is so sophisticated, even we can't handle it. But that's your problem, isn't it? Next time you complain about your phone service, why don't you try using two Dixie cups with a string?

    We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company.

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    At the end of it all they want to make it all work, it's just they are fumbling in the dark. Get too big and your quality goes to hell.

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    1. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the Ernestine character from Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In? (late 60's-early 70's).

    2. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Tomlin was harpooning the phone company with the Ernestine character at least as far back as the late 60's on Laugh-In.

      Google turned up this trivia...

      Ernestine the Telephone Operator

      "One ringy-dingy. Two ringy-dingys. A gracious good morning to you. Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?"

      Mr. Sorensen calls Ernestine Ms. Tomlin's most popular character. I believe it. Among the trivia to be learned from Lily Tomlin is that Ms. Tomlin says that Ernestine plays with her bra strap so much because lonely people often touch themselves. We also learn that Ernestine loves the power she has as an employee of the phone company. (No surprise there!) Furthermore, we learn that Ms. Tomlin once turned down $500,000 to have Ernestine perform in commercials for AT&T.

      Some Ernestine one-liners include:

              * To an irate customer: "You are not talking with just anyone's fool. I am a high school graduate."

              * To the noteworthy adversary Gore Vidal: "Mr. Veedle, you owe us a balance of $23.64. When may we expect payment? É Pardon? When what freezes over? É I don't see why you're kicking up such a ruckus when according to our files your present bank balance, plus stocks, securities, and other holdings, amounts to exactly ... Pardon? Privileged information? Oh! (snort, snort) Mr. Veedle, that's so cute! No, no, no, youÕre dealing with the telephone company. We are not subject to city, state, or federal legislation. We are omnipotent."

              * To J. Edgar Hoover: Ernestine told him that he didn't need to have agents "skulking around tapping wires. You can get all the information you want from us."

    3. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by GlennC · · Score: 1
      Actually, the Ernestine character is older than SNL.

      At the risk of sounding like an old fart, I remember watching Ms. Tomlin on Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In way back in the day.

      http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/R/htmlR/rowanand mar/rowanandmar.htm/

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    4. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by steelfood · · Score: 2, Funny

      At the risk of sounding like an old fart

      *checks ID number*

      There's some correlation between the two, but I just can't put my finger on what it is. :)

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    5. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Wow. Now that surely is a professional looking 404 page.

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    6. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by Watts+Martin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Watch it, whippersnapper!

      Kids these days.

    7. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
      The comment form sez:
      (Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs!)
      You tacked a slash on the end of the URL.
      Here is the corrected link: http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/R/htmlR/rowanand mar/rowanandmar.htm

      I also remember watching R&M's Laugh-in on the old black&white TV back in the 1960s.
      My favorite part was the party, which had Goldie Hawn and other cuties go-go dancing in bikinis.
      Very P.C.
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    8. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by korbin_dallas · · Score: 2

      "At the end of it all they want to make it all work, it's just they are fumbling in the dark. Get too big and your quality goes to hell."

      No way man!

      CMM Level 3 and now CMMI means you have a QUALITY product no matter the size of management. Right?
      I mean I have piles of documents to PROVE it.

      Right???

      I think I forgot to insert 'sarcasm mode=on' tag somewhere.

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    9. Re:Boil it down, M$ is just too bloated by Woody · · Score: 1

      why, why, why back in my day....

  15. Balmer's health is at stake ! by timeToy · · Score: 5, Funny

    That blog is hosted by Google's Blogger, that's why Balmer do not read it, his host file redirect all Google-related site to the loopback address, his doctor order that, in order to avoid a high blood pressure accident !

    1. Re:Balmer's health is at stake ! by hairguitar · · Score: 1

      Ain't it the trooth! Funny that this guy uses Micro$oft's new "nemesis" Google to blog...

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  16. The plan: by failure-man · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Get your thorn's blog posted on slashdot.

    2) Have them annihilate one of blogspot's servers.

    3) Hope blogspot cancels his account out of frustration.

    4) ???

    5) Profit!

  17. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be a new twist on the old idea of selective leaks. It certainly would be an effective way to convince the public (and the market?) that microsoft is sensitive to and accomadating of internel disagreements. This might also be just the "rallying cry" that Gates and Ballmer need to cut loose thousands of employees too.

  18. It should be interesting. by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you see any new concrete bridges going up near the Redmond campus, a discontinued blog and a mysterious cavity showing up when using GPR, we will know how seriously Microsoft takes criticism.

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    1. Re:It should be interesting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they ARE planning on building a bridge for NE 36th St across 520 ... and we know how far ahead Microsoft plans things ...

    2. Re:It should be interesting. by dajak · · Score: 1

      If you see any new concrete bridges going up near the Redmond campus, a discontinued blog and a mysterious cavity showing up when using GPR, we will know how seriously Microsoft takes criticism.

      You misunderstand. Steve Ballmer is the mysterious blogger: he has the political instinct to know that, as a leader, you are your own perfect enemy. Any people found buried in concrete will be secretaries who know to much. He will have to dictate his subversive messages to someone, after all.

      Reminder to self: check 'post anonymously' after submit.

  19. How ironic... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...That the site the blog is on is run by Microsoft's current enemy Google.

  20. Slashdotted...coral link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. Probably true, actually by ReformedExCon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many Microsoft employees have never worked anywhere else. They were plucked out of college and have worked for MS ever since. So it would be reasonable to think that their view of corporate life would be a little bit skewed.

    As for your signature, Windows can't use UNC paths as a path to be 'cd'd to. You can copy from a UNC path, but not 'cd' to it. To navigate a network drive, you need to "net use * (UNC)" it. It will give you a valid drive (like x:) to which you can cd to. Not the most painless approach, but it works, for some definitions of "works".

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    1. Re:Probably true, actually by Forbman · · Score: 1

      subst x: \\server\share

      works too.

    2. Re:Probably true, actually by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      CMD has some oddities though.

      Mine has just developed an allergy to batch files.. you can run any batch *once* then you have to shut down the command line and start a new one.

      Damnedest thing I've ever seen.. this is on a nearly new install too.

      D:\>echo @echo batch test >batch_test.bat

      D:\>batch_test
      batch test

      D:\>batch_test

      D:\>

      Second time it ignores it.

      It's a real git when I'm trying to run my test scripts...

    3. Re:Probably true, actually by ReformedExCon · · Score: 1

      I just tried it:

      C:\>echo @echo batch test >batch_test.bat

      C:\>batch_test
      batch test

      C:\>batch_test
      batch test

      C:\>batch_test
      batch test

      C:\>batch_test
      batch test

      C:\>batch_test
      batch test

      C:\>ver

      Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

      C:\>

      It doesn't seem to behave as you explained, though.

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    4. Re:Probably true, actually by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      It will give you a valid drive (like x:) to which you can cd to. Not the most painless approach, but it works, for some definitions of "works".

      Yes, but then I need to use a drive letter, rather than the server name. I can go WindowsKey->Run->\\app011\\c$ and it will pop up a explorer window, but try going >cd \\app011\\c$ in cmd, and you get that cute little message.

      I guess Windows guys are just not command line focused. That's OK, but I thought it made for an amusing sig. Guess I was wrong ;)

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  22. On a legal note... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 0

    Couldn't Microsoft sue Google for hosting inside info and allowing their employees to post such info?

  23. They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by putko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is inevitable that this guy is screwing up.

    They will find him, and when they go, I expect he will have a meeting with Ballmer. It will not be pretty.

    It won't be like Deep Throat, who, even though suspected, managed to not get found out until recently. Even with him, folks had their suspicions.

    Especially now that this guy attracts attention. All Ballmer has to do is tell his team of mini-Ballmers, "find him!" and it won't be long.

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    1. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      They will find him, and when they go, I expect he will have a meeting with Ballmer. It will not be pretty.

      They've already prepared a meeting room in Redmond. It's soundproofed, windowless, and its sole contents is two dozen chairs.

    2. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

      They will find him, and when they go, I expect he will have a meeting with Ballmer. It will not be pretty.

      Ballmer will probably shove an Aeron up his ass. Sideways. "I LOVE this COMPANY!"

      You're right. This could get seriously ugly.

    3. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Osty · · Score: 1

      It is inevitable that this guy is screwing up.

      He is? He's done a pretty good job of not getting caught for over a year. If that's "screwing up", I have no idea what "getting it right" would be.

      They will find him, and when they go, I expect he will have a meeting with Ballmer. It will not be pretty.

      The guy has never revealed trade secrets, so there's no legal recourse. Worst case, he could be covered as a whistle blower and be legally protected. So what will be ugly? The guy may lose his job, but do you know how many other companies would be fighting to snatch him right up? (Google, Yahoo, Apple, etc.) And that's just the repercussions for him. Microsoft would suffer a huge PR blow if they found out who the guy was and make a big stink about it. I don't see how they could do it quietly, however, because if the guy was caught you know he'd be screaming bloddy murder.

      It won't be like Deep Throat, who, even though suspected, managed to not get found out until recently. Even with him, folks had their suspicions.

      Deep Throat wasn't "found out". He decided to come forward on his own. If he'd just stayed quiet, nobody would've ever known. The same goes here. If things start getting a little hairy, surely Mini has a plan in place to nuke it all and hide out for a while (in plain sight, as a normal employee).

      Especially now that this guy attracts attention. All Ballmer has to do is tell his team of mini-Ballmers, "find him!" and it won't be long.

      Getting linked by Slashdot isn't "attracting attention". Getting an article written about him in Business Week is a much bigger deal. However, Mini has been notorious for quite a while now. Business Week and Slashdot are just a drop in the bucket, making sure that he's on the radar of Balmer (I'm sure he was already).

      Aside from that, the guy has some very good ideas that any sane executive could get behind (well, mostly). The only sticking point is his insistence on getting rid of Balmer, but then there are others who are much more vehement on that point.

    4. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by putko · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link to the blog. That photo of Ballmer is great.

      Actually, if you read up on Deep Throat, you'll see that various numbers of people suspected Felt for years.

      One of his relatives was even bragging about it to the kids at his university. That's what I meant about being "found out" -- lots of folks had fingered him. They couldn't prove it -- but that didn't matter; that was enough reason not to trust him (or to lionize him, depending on what side of the fence you were on).

      When I wrote, "now that the guy attracts attention," I meant in the Business Week sense. Suddenly this guy is getting real buzz. He's going to get found out soon enough. I give him one more year of secrecy max. I'm willing to bet something too. Do you want to bet something meaningful on it?

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    5. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Osty · · Score: 1

      He's going to get found out soon enough. I give him one more year of secrecy max. I'm willing to bet something too. Do you want to bet something meaningful on it?

      People, being people, will eventually make mistakes when trying to hide something this big. The real question is, what will happen if he gets caught? I'm of the opinion that Microsoft is smart enough to realize the PR backlash of firing Mini would be far worse than letting him continue on. A forward-thinking executive may even bump him up to some advisory position, to help guide Microsoft's growth (yeah, like that'll happen!). Then again, I still question whether or not the guy will get caught. If the heat turns up, he can always take a hiatus from blogging with no one the wiser. If he's smart, he'll do that soon. Then again, he did agree to the Business Week interview, anonymous though it was. That's probably the first unwise thing I've seen him do, in terms of revealing his identity. I'd hope he's smart enough not to let the celebrity go to his head and make him slip up sooner rather than later.

      As for making a bet, that doesn't usually work out too well electronically. :) Save it for your pals at the pub, making bets around pints.

    6. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Nasarius · · Score: 1
      He's done a pretty good job of not getting caught for over a year.

      That's probably because Microsoft hasn't really tried. I skimmed the top few posts and found this:

      when I suffered through my first stack ranking experience, I was assigned a mentor to deal with my glowering funk. Strangely, the one bit of advice he provided me out of the blue was: "The best way to get a pay raise is to switch companies." And a year later he called me up, needing to staff up at his new company. Sure enough, everytime I switched to a new company a new big fat wad of cash landed in my account.
      Look through everyone's resumes. Check if one of their employers was a superior at their previous job. That will narrow down the list really quickly.
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    7. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The guy has never revealed trade secrets, so there's no legal recourse. Worst case, he could be covered as a whistle blower and be legally protected.

      You have got to be joking. He would not be covered by a "whistle blower" law in any way. He is not blowing the whistle on crime and corruption, just on incompetence. His employment could and would be terminated, with no legal recourse available to him.

    8. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Osty · · Score: 1

      Look through everyone's resumes. Check if one of their employers was a superior at their previous job. That will narrow down the list really quickly.

      Not by much. That is how "networking" works, and it's very common to see groups of people move around together. This was especially true for many people at the tail end of dot-com bust. I personally know of at least three different people who've moved to the same company as a superior in their previous job on the recommendation of that superior. Ask around, and I bet you will too.

    9. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by ki4iib · · Score: 1

      One sentence:

      Fifty-five thousand employees.

    10. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Laconian · · Score: 1
      All Ballmer has to do is tell his team of mini-Ballmers, "find him!" and it won't be long.

      The image of the flying monkeys from Wizard of Oz comes to mind.

      Except they'd be bald.

    11. Re:They will Figure Out Who This Guys Is by Vulcann · · Score: 1

      Especially now that this guy attracts attention. All Ballmer has to do is tell his team of mini-Ballmers, "find him!" and it won't be long.

      If theres anything worse than an in house employee shooting his mount off against the company everyone loves to hate, ...is a "martyred" ex-employee who will then unleash venom without the fear of losing anything.

      I doubt they will be able to fire him without facing more alienation from they're own employees or at the least more alienation from the tech community.

  24. Boiling down OSS. Fat makes good soup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At the end of it all they want to make it all work, it's just they are fumbling in the dark. Get too big and your quality goes to hell."

    Better hope F/OSS stays small then.

    1. Re:Boiling down OSS. Fat makes good soup. by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

      Better hope F/OSS stays small then.

      Non-sequiter. F/OSS isn't a monolith. Individual projects can and do get too big for their britches. The nice thing is that nobody has to live with the products of such if they really don't want to.

    2. Re:Boiling down OSS. Fat makes good soup. by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      Indeed; shame that the XFree86 project learned that just a little too late.

    3. Re:Boiling down OSS. Fat makes good soup. by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      the most amazing thing about X is that the thing works... at all... ever...

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  25. As Seen On TV Again? by MBCook · · Score: 1

    I discovered this blog recently thanks to a comment by a poster a short while ago. I worry that as people focus on this and try to figure out the person's identity, they will just disappear, much as "As Seen On TV" did from Slashdot shortly after becoming famous as an Apple insider.

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  26. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by dedazo · · Score: 1
    Cripes... how paranoid can you get?

    I'd begin to buy your theory if the guy had ever posted anything positive about Microsoft beyond not being actually derisive/negative like anyone else who has a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind with the company. He posts because he has unflattering things to say.

    Gotta go. The black helicopters come...

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  27. A "community" cannot have a "character flaw"... by gr3y · · Score: 1

    just individual actors. Likewise, a corporation cannot have "rights", just privileges extended by individuals, or their government, however representative.

    Adjust your vocabulary accordingly, then apologize.

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    1. Re:A "community" cannot have a "character flaw"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the one at fault, but I am sorry - that you're such a fuckhead.

    2. Re:A "community" cannot have a "character flaw"... by dedazo · · Score: 1
      Likewise, a corporation cannot have "rights", just privileges extended by individuals

      That's interesting, because if that's the case then Microsoft can't have flaws. Correct? That's a very convenient position - no coporation or "community" (open source, free software, whatever) will ever have any flaws. And yet we constantly hear about "the open source community coming together" and so on. Interesting, eh?

      Adjust your vocabulary accordingly, then apologize.

      Pompous, petulant. At least we know what your character flaws are.

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  28. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was quick.

  29. Hope Microsoft Doesn't Pull An Apple.... by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    ....and start hunting for the person behind the blog (not to mention everyone who comments on it) and start firing people to send a message.

    (If they can't or won't do that, I hope they've got the chairs bolted down!)

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  30. Shut that guy up! by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My worst nightmare -- that someone sane starts fixing the problems at MicroSoft. How would there be any room left to compete?

    Joke.

    The only way to really fix Microsoft is to split it into two corporations each for every product line, and open all APIs with no anti-GPL license restrictions. And use the ill-gotten gains Gates, Balmer, et. al. have accumulated to fund start-ups to company with the baby-Softs. And open the evolution of the APIs under the control of a joint committee of the EFF and representatives of the several Linux and BSD distributions.

    It ain't gonna happen.

    1. Re:Shut that guy up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My worst nightmare -- that someone sane starts fixing the problems at MicroSoft. How would there be any room left to compete?

      Or worse (and more likely) yet, they finally change after things keep going downhill... when they're forced to actually compete, maybe even peel off a division or two as separate companies as they finally get lean and focused again... they might end up being like... IBM. Then what would happen?

      Fade in to Slashdot in the year 2020:
      Microsoft starts new Open Source Initiative. Numerous posts on how great they are and helpful to Linux and the Open Source community, especially in the fight against the Evil Google Empire...

  31. Re: Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's something. Go check your friends and foes list. I just did, and I got a freak and a fan - both of which I never knew before cause I usually don't check shit like that out. Check it out for yourself - you might be surprised.

    Postin' AC to spare karma gains, losses etc - this was simply a friendly public service message :)

  32. yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and after that we can sue the phone company because people make prank calls.

    Common carriers have no liability, dumbass.

  33. Re:fuck you by indy_Muad'Dib · · Score: 1

    calm down bill.

  34. Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's amazing how otherwise well-informed people didn't pick up years ago on the fact that it is easy to identify a writer based on the statistical properties of their writing. This guy is providing plenty of material for the analysis. Do a cross check against the email for all employees, and game over.

    Also very few people actually print out corporate memos like the Ballmer memo he mentions (yes, strikingly many do, but as a percentage, it's small). So that narrows down the field right there, and I haven't even got beyond the top post on the blog. Sure, he could have printed it at home, but did he? Naaahhhh.

    If he hasn't been fired by now, it's not because they can't find out who he is. They are just waiting for the right moment.

    1. Re:Easy to ID this guy by 2Bits · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how otherwise well-informed people didn't pick up years ago on the fact that it is easy to identify a writer based on the statistical properties of their writing. This guy is providing plenty of material for the analysis. Do a cross check against the email for all employees, and game over.

      Gee, there are too many easier ways to get him/her, if it's necessary. You just have to subponea the ISP to trace down the connection to the home address (or work address). If the guy/gal is stupid enough to post from inside the campus, the MS network admin just has to grep the network connection log and, bingo.

    2. Re:Easy to ID this guy by aeoo · · Score: 1

      Good companies and people welcome criticism with open arms. I guess the understanding that Microsoft is a bunch of sheeite is so well-entrenched, that we don't need to mention it, and just assume that they are. And since they are, we assume they will react by firing, like a lowly sheeite person would react.

      This overlooks the possibility that people can experience moral growth. It's possible that when the same person would have fired his/her critic, now they see otherwise and will not fire them.

      Let's not forget, it is people who make hire/fire decisions and not companies.

    3. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the MS network admin just has to grep the network connection log and, bingo.

      You forget that Microsoft provides no grep utility :)

      Looks like they're up shit creek anyway.

    4. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have findstr.

    5. Re:Easy to ID this guy by iluvcapra · · Score: 2, Funny
      it is easy to identify a writer based on the statistical properties of their writing

      The email frequency-analysis software has been delayed until 2007, as an optional install to the already-delayed WinFS. In desperation, MS has sent a purchase order to Apple to license Mail.app's junk mail filtering algorithm.

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    6. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 1

      >Gee, there are too many easier ways to get him/her

      Not necessarily. It depends on what stupid mistakes are being made.

      The point is that even avoiding those mistakes you mention, just writing the thing in ones own words is already mistake enough.

    7. Re:Easy to ID this guy by strider44 · · Score: 1

      They don't have a legal case simply because they have no actual proof that his contract prevents him from doing what he does, so they obviously can't subponea the ISP (besides I don't think that Google like Microsoft enough to give them his IP, if they keep records of it). The article itself says he blogs from his computer at night so there goes that argument . . .

    8. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      If the guy/gal is stupid enough to post from inside the campus, the MS network admin just has to grep the network connection log and, bingo.

      Don't be an asshole, this is Seattle. We've got 3 dozen free wifi networks spread around downtown. All he has to do is post from some coffee shop or grocery shop and presto! broken trace.

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    9. Re:Easy to ID this guy by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Or, perhaps he never printed it at all.

      The article _did_ say, after all, that he had deliberately supplied some misinformation here and there (with regards to himself, in particular) to divert suspicion.

    10. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're waiting for so long, the guy will end up being a martyr for all other MS employees. This will be pretty darn bad as PR and for morale. If they know who this guy is, they want him to do this.

    11. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 1

      True. Text analysis would still be the best way.

    12. Re:Easy to ID this guy by jafac · · Score: 1

      I would have suggested Services For Unix. . .

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    13. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Print out corporate memos ? I never even read the darned things. In 15 years, no-one ever came to me and said "You didn't read SteveB's (insert exec of choice) latest mail, you're in Deep Shit."

    14. Re:Easy to ID this guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the MS network admin just has to grep the network connection log and, bingo.

      I think you have something wrong here. He needs to find a sufficiently large enough screen (not his PDA or something), log in to the server using Terminal Services, probably gets blocked cause someone else is using the license, go to the console, log in, click his way through the long bumpy road of control panel, computer management, wait for the MMC to start up, filter away as much of the billion system log entires as the filters allow, re-sort the result, and go scrolling for the right date and time in the IIS entries.

      All the while cursing why that darn thing doesn't run ssh and actually provides grep.

  35. Good! As a former microserf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...i have to say "good".

    Not all, but many co-workers were damn good. The spirit there is energetic and encouraging. I regret not making more of my opportunity there.

    The travel really sucked tho

    perhaps the stagnant stock price MSFT jolted upper stiffs into executing "plan B".

    I dunno....they treat u like cattle, well fed (information/code) cattle. Moo.

  36. complete with 3 new trim divisions! by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

    microsoft is trimming down...

    is that why, just a few posts ago, we talked about the 3 new divisions (complete with 4 new presidents) were created? Because they're trimming down?

    Yeah.

  37. Really? by m00nun1t · · Score: 1

    Is mini-microsoft really shaking things up? Sure, there's a lot of people talking about it, but that doesn't mean it's actually making a difference.

  38. want dates with that? by weighn · · Score: 0
    Is this what it has to "come" to for Microsoft?

    Yes and more...Mini Microsoft is "looking for some dates!".
    Now does he want someone to go out with, or is he actually after the chocolate starfish?

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    1. Re:want dates with that? by tylernt · · Score: 0

      What has dating got to do with Chocolate Chip Starfish?

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  39. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by Wizzmer · · Score: 1

    "Cripes... how paranoid can you get?"

    When we're talking Microsoft viral marketing, the sky is the limit.

  40. A prophet in his homeland... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Think about this. Is it possible that someone *outside* Microsoft can save Microsoft?

    No way. It has to be someone inside to do it. THAT's what makes this whole business so interesting.

    Microsoft has an incredible potential (after all it has all those programmers, who btw, designed the .NET platform, AND WinXP, and that's no easy task). The thing is to stop hindering the workers and letting them do their work.

  41. IT'S A FUCKING WIFE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Wow. This guy is nuts.
    Nothing for you to see here, move along.
    1. Re:IT'S A FUCKING WIFE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Those are the best kinds of wives :-)

  42. He better not be blogging from work by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    He better not be blogging from work
    I'd expect them to be sniffing for him to login to his blog

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    o0t!
  43. easier than that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just look at blogs that dissappeared at the time that minimsft appeared and youll figure it out!

  44. If vista comes out it will be too late. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If vista comes out with all this CGMS-A and AACS compliance, then it will be too late to "please customers". They won't be able to roll it back under pain of DMCA conviction for manufacturing "circumvention devices".

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  45. They don't get it. by lheal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "perfect or perish" mentality just doesn't work. It doesn't work for factory workers, athletes, students, or politicians. When applied, all you get are a whole new crop of PhD's in CYA, each pointing the finger of blame at the next Doctor of Posterior Osculation.

    The MM blogger seems very down on paying attention to "process", which tells me that A) the PHBs at Microsoft are all into process and B) this guy is a frustrated, unpromoted newbie, probably hired after XP was released.

    Firing all the dead wood sounds nice, until you realize that means firing the people who wrote the cash cow.

    The It they don't get is that Open Source Software is the future. They don't want to give up the golden dream, which means hiding their source, which means using a hierarchical development model, which means bureaucracy and inferior products.

    Oh well, caveat regnum.

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    Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
    1. Re:They don't get it. by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are right. And the biggest reason "perfect or perish" does not work, is that you will never get anything perfect until you make all the mistakes. When you fire the people that get something wrong you just delete a bunch of useful experience, and ensure that the next group makes the same mistake.

    2. Re:They don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something similar happened before ww2. During the spanish civil war, russia was backing the communists, and nazi germany was backing the fascists.

      The fascists won the war, and russian pilots went back home. Stalin had them all executed for helping loose the war. The only people in the russian air force experienced with fighting against germanys luftwaffe were gone.

      In 42 russia was totally outclassed by the luftwaffe, and only after many losses was the lesson relearned. russia eventually started building world class fighters and gained enough competent pilots to fight back.

    3. Re:They don't get it. by DashEvil · · Score: 1

      I just love when you have a bunch of crackhead slashdot posters telling billionares that their buisness plan is flawed. Good job, fucker.

      If I was Bill Gates I'd pay your mother a million dollars to star in a porno where she had "I get it right here" tattoed over her vaginal region.

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      -If God wanted people to be better than me, he would have made them that way.
    4. Re:They don't get it. by nagora · · Score: 1
      I just love when you have a bunch of crackhead slashdot posters telling billionares that their buisness plan is flawed. Good job, fucker.

      I just love it when you have a bunch of capitalism fanboys telling us that being born rich and riding on other people's coat-tails is a flawless business plan that indicates some sort of infallible genius.

      TWW

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      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    5. Re:They don't get it. by lheal · · Score: 1

      I've never done crack.

      I didn't say BG's business plan was flawed. I implied it was doomed to eventual failure. He'll still make billions out of it, but at incalcuable cost to the rest of us.

      Your plan to fix me has another flaw: my mother's been dead these 20 years.

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      Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
    6. Re:They don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      beware of ass????

      oh! regnum...sorry

    7. Re:They don't get it. by DashEvil · · Score: 1

      I just love it when you have a bunch of capitalism fanboys telling us that being born rich and riding on other people's coat-tails is a flawless business plan that indicates some sort of infallible genius.

      But Bill Gates wasn't born rich at all.... Do you even know what the topic is?

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      -If God wanted people to be better than me, he would have made them that way.
    8. Re:They don't get it. by nagora · · Score: 1
      But Bill Gates wasn't born rich at all.

      Well, perhaps you think everyone born in the 50's was given a million dollar trust-fund by their grandfather (James Willard Maxwell super-rich banker), and went to a prep school with its own mini-computer and fees three times those of Harvard, but I'd class that as "rich".

      Bill's never had to work in his life and certainly has never taken any risks he didn't know he could walk away from and still be richer than most other people will ever be.

      TWW

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      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    9. Re:They don't get it. by zevans · · Score: 1

      BG didn't have a business plan, other than shafting other people for their IP in the early days. Once you have a certain amount of money, you don't need plans.

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
  46. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by steelfood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you even read some of the entries and comments? You might want to try reading them before commenting.

    These people are probably the loudest critics of Microsoft, and because he and most people who comment have an internal perspective, their strikes are direct and to the point too, not like the drivel that gets reiterated here.

    Marketing? How can exposing things like the company's recent trend in hiring MBA middle managers be good PR? How can saying things like the company's growth going to the single digits in the last 5 years be a marketing ploy? How can complaints about delays in projects like Longhorn, Office, etc. due to the internal bureaucracy be good in any way? There's even a mention of Office for Linux in one of the comments (though it's presented as an extreme example to drive a point home). How does this serve MSFT? Will investors go "yea, let's keep jacking up the share prices because insiders say Ballmer is a poor leader and Gates a poor software architect?"

    This guy isn't around to deal with rumors. In fact, some rumors are being upheld (or confirmed for the optimist) by what the entries and comments hit at. This guy is exposing the problems that are in the way M$ works internally. If he was going on about how everything's fine and dandy inside, and everyone's full of love and bliss, then maybe it's a marketing ploy. But I, stretching my imagination to its limits, would not able to show how exposing and ranting about problems will drive stock prices up.

    So no, sorry, the blog does not appear to have anything to do with marketing.

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    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
  47. BLUE SCREEN?! by absinthminded64 · · Score: 0

    What happens when a bluescreen is encountered during the customer pleasing process?!?!?!

    Crackwhore seizures increase the unic population dramatically! And we know MS doesn't like unics!

    1. Re:BLUE SCREEN?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caution, the jaw muscles are among the strongest muscles of the human body...

  48. Re:Masterbater monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, what happened to him? Do you think that he succumbed to his own inane statements or that the TripMaster Anime Smile (TM) turned aganist its master and chomped off the Monkey's banana? I mean ... seriously ... we haven't had any good "Captain Obvious" summaries followed by barely-insightful commentary lately!

    And we haven't recently had a flood of dupe articles either!

    *sniff* It's just not the same Slashdot lately. :(

  49. Are you sure? by KwKSilver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Corporate entities do have characters, be they corporations or states. New Englanders are very different from southerners in the US, and from Californians, too. The English, French, Russians, etc have different national characters. Sears has a different personality from K-Mart (or used to), and for that matter a different personality from Sears 10 years ago, at which time customers were treated as a nuisance. That is a corporate character flaw in my book. (YMMV) I took my money elsewhere till it changed.

    MS's character flaw is hubris, the "We know it all, we know what's best for everyone,.. we are above the law... we are can do no wrong... etc." attitude that they swagger around with and sneer at everyone else. (Pride goes before a fall.) I've taken my money elsewhere, not that they would notice, or care. It matters to me, though.

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    If you want your life to be different, live it differently.
    1. Re:Are you sure? by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      MS's character flaw is hubris, the "We know it all, we know what's best for everyone,.. we are above the law... we are can do no wrong... etc." attitude that they swagger around with and sneer at everyone else.

      Hang on, I thought that was Apple ?

    2. Re:Are you sure? by KwKSilver · · Score: 1

      There seems to be some of that in Apple, too. The end result is apt to be disasterous for MS and/or Apple. The classical formula of Greek tragedy is: surfeit, hubris, disaster. The outcome was almost always disfigurement/crippling, insanity, death or any combination thereof for the person flawed by hubris.

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      If you want your life to be different, live it differently.
  50. shill 0, M$ 1 by twitter · · Score: 1
    This might also be just the "rallying cry" that Gates and Ballmer need to cut loose thousands of employees too.

    Loose one of them anyway. Look out MiniM$.

    PR: Bob, I want you to write a memo pretending to be a bad guy blogger.
    Bob: Sure, I can do that.
    time marches on, nothing changes.
    PR: Bob? You are fired.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:shill 0, M$ 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Moderators: Please note that "twitter" is a known fanatical sycophant whose obnoxious offtopic rants are legend here on Slashdot. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll find a way to scrape in some pointless Microsoft bashing. While nobody expects us to love Microsoft in any way, his particularly tepid style of calling anyone he replies to "troll" or "liar" or "fanboy" because he happens to disagree with whatever they're saying is well documented and should not be rewarded. If anything, twitter is the type of person that should not be part of the open source/free software community. He is an anathema to all that is good about free software.

      I'm posting this so that you (the moderator) have some context to consider twitter and not mod him up whenever he posts his filler preformatted rants about installing Knoppix or Mepis or whatever that unfortunately get him karma every single time and allow him to continue posting his trademark toxic crap (read on) day in and day out. You may consider this a troll - I consider it community service. And I ain't kidding.

      If you're a /. subscriber, I invite you to look through some of his posting history. I guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find someone that is more "out there" than twitter. You'll also probably notice he's got quite an AC following. Don't just read his posts, make sure you go through the replies.

      To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check this post out. This is an article about email disclaimers. The parent of the post is complaining about the ads in the linked page and so on, and twitter actually goes off on a rant to blame it on Microsoft and recommend Lynx, because "is teh free".

      Here's another. In this post twitter not only calls the OP a troll but attempts to "tell it like it is" while making some vague argument about "GNU". Yes, if you're confused, you're not alone. The reply (modded +4) proceeds to simply destroy his bogus argument. You will notice he did not reply. This is what some people call "drive-by advocacy". A sort of I'll just leave you with my thoughts here and move on to the next flamebait kind of deal. In fact, he almost never replies because he knows that his fanatical arguments simply do not hold up to any sort of discussion. It's not that he's chosen the wrong cause - he's just going at it in a completely wrong way.

      Here's that drive-by advocacy and FUD in motion: twitter goes on about some topic and then drops the usual "oh and M$ is teh evil" because "WMP phones home" or some such. Called on his FUD, he then claims that WMP stores every song and movie you've ever played in a file, somewhere. Pressed further, he just sort of slithers out of sight, his FUD-spreading complete. This is not about some Microsoft technology that nobody likes anyway; it's about lying for the sake of lying. Way too many of his posts are exactly like this one.

      More? Just read though this post and the subsequent replies. I guess this stands on its own. Or these two. Or this one. Or this one.

      Still not convinced? This is what twitter considers "humour" while going about his daily "M$" routine.

      M

  51. Lean Mean.... by DavidLeeRoth · · Score: 2, Funny

    "slim down Microsoft into a lean, mean, efficient customer pleasing profit making machine." I didn't know George Foreman works for MS now.

  52. The key to innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft delenda est.

    1. Re:The key to innovation by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I wonder how many will recognise that quote of Cato.

      --
      Oh well, what the hell...
  53. Re:pali by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 1

    This guy deserves *some* Karma for not being hit by the "too few charcters per line" lameness filter!

  54. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? Answer C. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Most of the guy's complaints could come straight from a Dilbert cartoon. Seems to me like someone hasn't worked for a large bureaucratic organization before.

    Could it be that M$ is just like a Dilbert cartoon? Except they sue their customers and public school systems. Not even Dilbert's company is that dumb.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  55. Last time I checked... by Osrin · · Score: 1

    ... 3 was less than 7. So yes, trim.

    1. Re:Last time I checked... by dAzED1 · · Score: 1

      additional. 3 "new," not replacement.

  56. It's true! M$ has reinvented itself! by toby · · Score: 1

    The proof! There is no stupid "classic mode" in Office XII!

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    you had me at #!
  57. Re:Blog is down.. Wha--? TripMaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TripMaster Monkey? Is that you? Is that really you? Did the complaints about your incessant karma whoring finally get through? C'mon! Give us one of those stupid anime smiles for old time's sake!

  58. they already know who it is by toby · · Score: 3, Informative
    In one of the articles on the blog, Minimsft says quite plainly:
    As for my boss firing me, he's cool as long as I add a disclaimer (done - yes, I had a mini-coming-out party Friday) and while I can write about policy violation if I go and manifest that into reality then I will find myself badge-less in Redmond.

    We don't have to wait for Woodward or Bernstein to die, or anything.

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    you had me at #!
  59. there is but one solution to growth suffocation by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    1) save up
    2) introspect your motives well, take a deep breath and then
    3) find the balls to jump ship

    I feel so repressed at my current job that I am starting to get weird stress-related medical problems (diverticulitis? trench mouth? wtf?)

    One tends to get into a position in a company where the things you would like to be doing and the things they can find for you to do are just too far apart.

    I'm just a grand from my savings goal and then it's sayonara, whether I find another employer or not (I'm interviewing, but part of me wants to freelance/contract for a bit)... my employer owns all my intellectual output and I have so many ideas I've been waiting to build...

  60. No, it would be over his eye... by antdude · · Score: 1

    ... like Borg Bill Gates!!

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  61. Who would have thunk? by elgee · · Score: 1

    I am sure this is one of the unintended consequences of the Internet and particularly the Web. It could turn out to be positive in that it may well make companies better.

    I suspect it will be both good and bad depending on the company and the blogger. I hope for the best.

  62. YOU don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comments and your shitty web site show that it is you who are a "newbie" as you say, I'm sure you couldn't make it through a first interview at MS.

  63. Makes me wounder if its someone I know by hotdrop · · Score: 1

    Ive talked to a couple people that have expressed the very same ideas that were outlined in the article, its probably just the way stuff is out there but you never know if its somone you know.

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    1. Re:Makes me wounder if its someone I know by slashflood · · Score: 1

      Richard Chesler: [Reading a piece of paper] The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club?

      Narrator: [Voice-over] I'm half asleep again; I must've left the original in the copy machine.

      Richard Chesler: The second rule of Fight Club - is this yours?

      Narrator: Huh?

      Richard Chesler: Pretend you're me, make a managerial decision: you find this, what would you do?

      Narrator: [pauses] Well, I gotta tell you: I'd be very, very careful who you talk to about that, because the person who wrote that... is dangerous. [Gets up from the chair]

      Narrator: [Talking slowly] And this button-down, Oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers. This might be someone you've known for years. Someone very, very close to you.

      Narrator: [Voice-over] Tyler's words coming out of my mouth. [Snatches the piece of paper from boss' hands]

      Narrator: [Voice-over] And I used to be such a nice guy.

      Narrator: Or maybe you shouldn't bring me every little piece of trash you happen to pick up.

  64. a rabid anti-tripartite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's an anti-tripartite!

  65. Innuendo-Geeks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're catering to the sex-deprived demographic.

  66. Sad to think, but... by xactuary · · Score: 1

    In a few days this guy will be in a 10 foot cube of lucite in Steve Balmer's office.

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  67. Fire Gates ? by warrior_s · · Score: 1

    Wow!!! reading the blog was amusing... people actually are looking at scenarios in which Gates could be thrown out.... never gonna happen.

  68. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by cpu_fusion · · Score: 1
    Well since we're putting the tin foil hat on:

    It could just be Steve and Bill, smoking out unhappy employees. I'm sure the Microsoft heads are paranoid and convinced that they've been infiltrated by bad seeds, stirring up discontent, and if they could just purge those bad folks, they'd be a nice happy company again.

    It's not like Microsoft hasn't (ab)used online forums before.

  69. ranking and evals by dmh20002 · · Score: 1

    the one thing in mini-ms's stuff that revolted me the most was the apparent morbid fixation on ranking and eval scores at MS. The blog says that raises are hard to come by at MS and that there is a lot of backstabbing and infighting to up one's rank so as to get a percent or two. That sounds like a very unpleasant work environment to me.

  70. Responding by blueadept1 · · Score: 1

    "And Microsoft may even be responding to all the internal criticism."

    Well I'd hope so. If they don't respond, they would most certainly go down in a jiffy. As once a company doesn't respond to internal complaints, those internal complaints will no longer get voiced, and MS will have nothing but speculation on which to evolve their company's structure. If it has already reached a point that employees only voice complaints through external sources, that indicates a problem has surfaced. What they need to do is employ an employee feedback program, with responses to employee suggestions and criticisms (not simply receiving recommendations). Employees want to feel valued, and empowered as if they are impacting the organization, not taken as a pure source of statistics.

    Yes, I did just finish reading 2 chapters on organizational behaviour. So sue me. :P

  71. mini-typical by recharged95 · · Score: 1
    Replace the word Microsoft with FBI, or CIA, or even US Gov't. Same deal. Same situation.

    This guy just describes what happens when an innovative idea (or even a paradigm shift in thinking) has to fit in a Business model. Anyone who has been in a real startup can relate this his ideology. But what he asks from fellow M$ofties is a lot of work.

    And as scooged McDuck used to say:

    "Work smart. NOT HARD". He should realize it's time to move on.

  72. If I Were Steve Ballmer by sstidman · · Score: 1

    This reorg was laid out a month ago almost exactly as it happened:

    If I Were Steve Ballmer


    That lady is either very smart, psychic or someone at MS read her article. I'm guessing the later.

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  73. you really cannot! by DeckerDel · · Score: 1

    You really cannot have Deep Throat & Steve Ballmer in the same sentence, What's next anal and Bill Gates! -Opps or is Winblows the starting point for Penetration, they could just be the same thing!

  74. FYIFV by the0ther · · Score: 1

    If "fuck you i'm fully vested" didn't tell you all about microsoft's competitive stance, you're a total blithering idiot. Y'all remember that one in Wired? You read Wired right? I'll tell you, if you don't see what this signals, you're completely friggen blind. It's not just Microsoft that is hiding behind a puffed-up image. Competition is now global. And it's about brilliant individuals even now. This is asymmetrical and it really makes the entire corporate position suspect. I could go on and talk about patents and crazy inflated stock prices and the unbalanced buying power of a corporation. Doesn't it all seem a bit fishy?

  75. Re:Well maybe not.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i lol'd.

  76. Set up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems like a set up, planned by Microsoft. Microsoft has the image of being too "big and bloated", you float a fake blog, and then Microsoft is "forced to respond", and they "turn their oganization into a lean profit-making machine" (Remember the story on the Microsoft re-organization?).

  77. Is it Ballmer? by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe it's Ballmer.

    Reading the first post on the blog, this guy is exhuberant, talks agressively and confidently. Definitely a marketing person, maybe high level. Or hangs out with them enough to be able to ape the attitude. The user id "Who d'Punk" fits a bemused high level exec who is untouchable, and wants a forum where the rules of political correctness are relaxed.

    There are some signature turns of phrase that really stand out. I bet it's already an open secret at MS who this is, and they are probably chuckling now at how slashdot gets excited over a mystery they already know the answer to.

  78. Re:Disillusioned or delusional? Answer C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Moderators: Please note that "twitter" is a known fanatical sycophant whose obnoxious offtopic rants are legend here on Slashdot. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll find a way to scrape in some pointless Microsoft bashing. While nobody expects us to love Microsoft in any way, his particularly tepid style of calling anyone he replies to "troll" or "liar" or "fanboy" because he happens to disagree with whatever they're saying is well documented and should not be rewarded. If anything, twitter is the type of person that should not be part of the open source/free software community. He is an anathema to all that is good about free software.

    I'm posting this so that you (the moderator) have some context to consider twitter and not mod him up whenever he posts his filler preformatted rants about installing Knoppix or Mepis or whatever that unfortunately get him karma every single time and allow him to continue posting his trademark toxic crap (read on) day in and day out. You may consider this a troll - I consider it community service. And I ain't kidding.

    If you're a /. subscriber, I invite you to look through some of his posting history. I guarantee that you'll be hard pressed to find someone that is more "out there" than twitter. You'll also probably notice he's got quite an AC following. Don't just read his posts, make sure you go through the replies.

    To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check this post out. This is an article about email disclaimers. The parent of the post is complaining about the ads in the linked page and so on, and twitter actually goes off on a rant to blame it on Microsoft and recommend Lynx, because "is teh free".

    Here's another. In this post twitter not only calls the OP a troll but attempts to "tell it like it is" while making some vague argument about "GNU". Yes, if you're confused, you're not alone. The reply (modded +4) proceeds to simply destroy his bogus argument. You will notice he did not reply. This is what some people call "drive-by advocacy". A sort of I'll just leave you with my thoughts here and move on to the next flamebait kind of deal. In fact, he almost never replies because he knows that his fanatical arguments simply do not hold up to any sort of discussion. It's not that he's chosen the wrong cause - he's just going at it in a completely wrong way.

    Here's that drive-by advocacy and FUD in motion: twitter goes on about some topic and then drops the usual "oh and M$ is teh evil" because "WMP phones home" or some such. Called on his FUD, he then claims that WMP stores every song and movie you've ever played in a file, somewhere. Pressed further, he just sort of slithers out of sight, his FUD-spreading complete. This is not about some Microsoft technology that nobody likes anyway; it's about lying for the sake of lying. Way too many of his posts are exactly like this one.

    More? Just read though this post and the subsequent replies. I guess this stands on its own. Or these two. Or this one. Or this one.

    Still not convinced? This is what twitter considers "humour" while going about his daily "M$" routine.

    M

  79. Google Funded? by Blue_Nile · · Score: 1

    I like the fact that he is hosting this on blogspot, which as we all know is owned by google. It's really sorta brilliant when you think about it.

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    Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
  80. Nope. by belmolis · · Score: 2, Informative

    The First Amendment applies in the first instance to the federal government ("Congress shall make no law...") and by virtue of the 14th Amendment, to the states. It does not apply to private parties. Its only relevance to private parties is that contracts contrary to public policy are not enforceable, and the First Amendment is one piece of evidence bearing on public policy regarding freedom of speech. In fairly extreme cases, you can expect a court to void a contract on public policy freedom of speech grounds, but it has to be something really extreme, such as an employment contract forbidding the employee to speak about topics having nothing whatever to do with the company. It is very clear that contractual restrictions on speech, such as NDAs, are considered valid by the courts.

    In the Network Associates case, the Attorney General of New York (Eliot Spitzer, running for Governor), sued Network Associates for fraud and deception. He argued that the specific wording of the restriction on reviews could falsely lead the consumer to believe that the restriction was not imposed by Network Associates but by state or federal law. He also argued that because the clause was in some documents and not others (see the opinion if you want the details), it was not endorceable as a matter of contract law, and that for Network Associates to represent that it was constituted a deceptive practice. The court accepted these arguments. The First Amendment was not the basis for the ruling.

    You can read Judge Shafer's opinion here.

  81. And then Ballmer will fucking bury the guy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's done it before, and he'll do it now, he'll fucking bury the guy!

    Ballmer is a mean motherfucker, shut yo mouth.

  82. Hah! by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

    "customer pleasing profit making machine."

    Everybody knows those two are mutally exclusive! You can't turn a profit unless you're raping somebody.

  83. M$ is teh sux! by Silkejr · · Score: 1

    Hope that helps to fulfill your prediction.

  84. Remember, remember, the fifth of November... by myth_of_sisyphus · · Score: 1

    Ideas are bulletproof!

  85. Breaking up by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    Funny how Google et al were able to accomplish what the U.S. government couldn't...

  86. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by asb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cripes... how paranoid can you get?

    You have the common "default believe" attitude which makes astroturfing and guerilla marketing work so well. If you had the "default distrust" attitude this article would have bells ringing all over your head.

    Consider what he is writing, what kind of NDAs he must have signed when being hired and how easy it would be to track him down (anonymity in internet really does not exist).

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  87. 85% of Microsoftians 3 microsoft (FTFA) by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    SteveyB replies:

    Where does that 85% number come from, and how does that relate to previous years?
    We have various sources of information. We do a regular analysis of where we stand with our employees. It's something I could say very objectively. That number is, frankly, about as high as it has ever been.

    Dear Hordes-Willing-to-do-my-bidding^H^H^H^H^H...^H

    Dear Microsoft Employee,

    It is that time of year again - bonuses! If you are thinking of jumping ship like those judases Mark Lucovsky and Lee Kai-Fu, think again! We have successfully mired our own name so that nobody will hire a weasely scrotum like yourself!

    Back to bonuses, we have hired Diebolds windows XP based poll machines to take a poll on how much you seminars on motivational dance at 6pm, with cognac in my office afterwards.

    Yours truly^H^H^H^H friendly^H^H^H^H...

    Get back to work!

    SteveB - bestest friend of billG (or bilge as I call him!)

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    please type the word in this image: seminars

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  88. sinister by rheotaxis · · Score: 1

    "Queen Amadala is young and naive." Not so Mini, whatever the game really is. The anti-microsofties should just continue to snipe and troll on his blog. If we make enough noise, the microsofties won't be able to fix themselves.

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  89. That's what I call ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And suddenly, an amendment passed to protect the rights of african americans was hijacked into giving corperations an overwhelming amount of power.

    ... niggardly!

    1. Re:That's what I call ... by mink · · Score: 1

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  90. tiny tiny stuff by borix · · Score: 0, Funny

    What mini-mirco-soft ? Is it like nanosoft ?

    I bet you need a magifying glass to see that software !

  91. something new by rheotaxis · · Score: 1

    Someone just started Anti-Microsoft parody http://antimsft.blogspot.com/ Looks the same and stuff...

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  92. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by slaida1 · · Score: 1
    How can exposing things like the company's recent trend in hiring MBA middle managers be good PR? How can saying things like the company's growth going to the single digits in the last 5 years be a marketing ploy? How can complaints about delays in projects like Longhorn, Office, etc. due to the internal bureaucracy be good in any way? There's even a mention of Office for Linux in one of the comments

    As if those are some big secrets or something. He doesn't tell anything that couldn't be figured out anyway from other sources. Nothing of real value there, he's too good writer to be believable and possibility of that good writer being the one to leak something truly secret is low. It's the stupid ones with poor writing skills who leak something important usually.

    Wake me up when he posts torrents for source codes of w2k3 or something. Until then... that blog uselessly make us waste our time reading something about microsoft without giving out anything really valuable.

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  93. Jesus summed it up effectively by petrus4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "A house divided upon itself cannot stand."

    Given the amount of competitive progress that Linux has been making recently, it's more than understandable that Microsoft are experiencing some dissention in the ranks. Ballmer isn't anywhere near lucid or flexible enough to genuinely fix the company's problems, either; his tactics can be expected to consist of reassuring the press that everything is fine on the one hand, and then playing business as usual on the other.

    Microsoft's most pressing problem is that it desperately needs to get rid of the old guard. Jim Allchin being put out to pasture at the end of 2006 is a step in the right direction; it just needs to be done to a few more people there, Ballmer included.

    If at least the majority of the senior management can be persuaded to take their stock nest eggs and ride off into the proverbial sunset, then there might be some hope for the company. They are stuck in their thinking, and more than anything else, Microsoft needs a fundamental paradigm shift in virtually every area if it is going to survive. People need to realise that a very large portion of Microsoft's success has come from marketing. Technically speaking, their software has never been more than barely adequate, and that has been due to some chronic problems with their design philosophy. That design philosophy will not change while the current senior management are still at the helm.

    If it's going to happen, however, it needs to happen soon. Microsoft's release cycle is getting longer, and I suspect that if nothing has changed by around 2008-9, the company will reach a tipping point after which, long term, nothing will save it.

    1. Re:Jesus summed it up effectively by caseih · · Score: 1

      Ee shouldn't get too complacent in the Linux world. While linux has been making remarkable progress, linux itself does still suffer from this "house divided" syndrome, although it's not quite the same.

  94. Should be illegal for Microsoft to fire him by nysus · · Score: 1

    Under the National Labor Relations Act: "It shall be an unfair labor practice for an employer to interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in [Section 7]."

    Section 7 says: "Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection, and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all of such activities except to the extent that such right may be affected by an agreement requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment as authorized in section 8(a)(3)."

    Unfortunately, the NLRB is headed by a rabidly anti-worker board right now and Microsoft could hire the best lawyers to win their case. But if the system worked like it should, this guy would have nothing to worry about.

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  95. how long... by sad_ · · Score: 1

    ...before we see mini-* sites popping up about other megacorps? hell, a lot of his posts sound very familiar to anybody working in a big company.

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  96. All large companies pretend to do this by gelfling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's part of their annual management revolution exercise. They all do it, they hire a bunch of consultants who pretend to interview people with anonymity and those people pretend to answer honestly. Then they collect all their surveys and determine that

    a) everything is fine and management had it right all along

    b) there is little that management is prepared to change let alone pay for

    c) people need to figure out how to motivate themselves better

    d) there was another 5-7% of the workforce that needs to get cut quietly

    e) 3 or 4 key executives will collect larger fiefdoms as a result of this reorg

    f) mean employee tenure will drop another 6 months and management will spin turnover as 'recharging the organization.

  97. Ballmer's on the way out by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    The recent reorg shows that Ballmer's duties are being reduced. Eric Rudder is reporting to Gates, not Ballmer, a signal that the next leader of Microsoft won't be Ballmer.

    Microsoft is clearly in a funk, a funk that appeared since Ballmer was at the helm. Since throwing chairs and dancing around on a stage are not usually in the job requirements of a corporate leader, Ballmer is not what is considered to be a corporate leader. He may be a friend of Gates, but as we are seeing, that will only carry you so far.

  98. Tinker Tailor Soldier Software by FishandChips · · Score: 1

    OK commie-watchers, maybe best to leave the guy alone. He's ploughing a lonely furrow. The pressures of leading a double life get to them before very long, at which point their thinking becomes screwy and they give themselves away - although what they actually have to say ceased to be interesting a while before the scrips for prozac start to be issued.

    Anyways, if you were Chairman Bi er er Mao you'd probably figure that it's best to let the occasional canary sing. You can send it down the mines any time you choose. The point with canaries being that they never know they are already inside the cage. So let the world hang on every detail of what the Politburo really had for breakfast. Meanwhile, the important stuff continues behind the arras.

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  99. TURK 182 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough said.

  100. It's how I feel about my country! by FatSean · · Score: 1

    I love what the US could be, but hate what the majority of people want to make of it.

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  101. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posted AC to avoid accusations of karma whoring..

    You're still a Karma Whore - you just work for free.

    1. Re:Nope by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that make GP a karma slut?

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  102. M$ needs to be more profitable? by Elixon · · Score: 1

    How much must the company be profitable to don't try to minimize costs (sack people)? Do they have a cashflow problems? What is the business ethics? Is there any?

    Are the people just numbers in financial analysis? From the history we know that treating people as numbers is not good for mankind. I don't want to have tatoo with my personal number (cost) on my forearm.

    Sorry. :-)

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  103. I'm computer programmer at Halliburton! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it can be worse. Ten years ago Halliburton bought(*) the arguably the best software company in the oil industry called Landmark Graphics and turned it into a dogpile. The Business Week article about MicroSoft reads like a carbon copy of this situation: massive benefits cuts, off-shoring, mass defections ... The oil industry is making trillions while Landmark Graphics is facing another round of layoffs. No one at Halliburton which is basically a wellhole engineering company understands the least about software.



    (*) The business logic was to be a full spectrum provider of services to the oil industry, including software.

  104. Taking the easy way out by max.capacity · · Score: 1

    MiniMsft is taking the easy way out. Complain, find similar-minded people, acquire a following, and repeat. It's basically a form of passive aggression.

    A better approach is to discuss these issues with the direct manager and, if necessary, the manager's manager. Take a rational approach: state the problems, describe why they're problems for you, describe what would make you happy, and go the extra mile by describing how you'd approach the problem if you were your own manager.

    If you do this all at once you'll come across as pushy; however, approach it relatively slowly giving your manager time to respond.

    Employment is a partnership, so treat it like one. If employees complain about their employers before giving them a chance to respond, then the employees get what they deserve (reprimanded).

    MiniMsft sounds like a relatively young person, or someone with little business experience. While the blog is interesting, to a degree, it is by no means definitive...more like, "for novelty use only" :)

  105. More Then One Person by DigitalGypsy · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this blogger is more then one person. That would make it harder to track/solve.

  106. Desperate? by McLetter · · Score: 1

    Wow, is microsoft receiving that bad of approval ratings? They must be getting desperate.. I mean seriously, taking information from a third party blog on how to run their business?! Wow..

  107. I am the real Korbin Dallas by infonography · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many people will get that joke.

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  108. Fire? Why? by hkb · · Score: 1

    Why would they want to fire someone so passionate about the company? Doesn't make any sense to me, unless its a revenge tactic because someone big got egg on their face.

    I'm impressed with how many very passionate people there are at Microsoft, and this is just another one who wants to see Microsoft succeed, compete, and innovate once again (We haven't seen those days in a long time).

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  109. Monopoly remedy was correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In hindsight, it seems the decision not to break apart Microsoft was the best choice. It left Microsoft as a huge corporate bureaucracy to wallow in meetings and eventually fade away. If the government had broken Microsoft apart into a set of smaller, more nimble companies, "Vista" might be on store shelves right now, and we might be reading about Office 13 instead of Office 12.

  110. I'm Sparticus! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Had to be said: I'm Sparticus!

    Seriously. It is hard to effect change in large slow-moving environments. Kudos to those who fight for the right thing, even in the face of pure evil.

    Me? I'm still trying not to speak up so much, so that I stay employed for a little while. I can't alow stupid people to run my life, it just doesn't make sense to me.

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    1. Re:I'm Sparticus! by zevans · · Score: 1
      I can't alow stupid people to run my life, it just doesn't make sense to me.

      I assume you plan to emigrate in the near future then?

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    2. Re:I'm Sparticus! by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Thinking about it. Stupid backwater hicks should not govern modern future-thinking people in cities. What's good for a toothless drunken idiot covered in grease, is not necessarily good for a technology-focused person. Dumbfuckistan I tell ya.

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  111. hope for utter failure by baomike · · Score: 1

    One can only hope his quest is a failure.
    MSFT had to earn its rep a the "incarnate evil"
    and I see no reason to help anyone who wants to save them from disaster.

  112. Equality by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    It is nice to see some balance.

    Why should open source groups be the only ones airing their dirty laundry on blogs?

  113. how to kill a tech company by wadiwood · · Score: 1

    how to kill a tech company

    put businessmen in charge.

    I don't know what it is about some business men but they sure know how to stuff an software development company.

    The guy who has made a small fortune in charge of the company I currently sometimes work for - first thing he does is cut the product design time. Next thing he does is stop testing - not important he says. There's no product control or code reviews or quality control or user documentation etc etc - only coding - mad spurious features and brokeness across the entire product - and that doesn't even go into the mess he and his accounting cronies made of the PC sales and assembly group or the network services group. Hey - computer stuff is specialised knowledge - customer relations is specialised - customers like to talk to the same guy each time and feel like they are listened to and are getting special deals - especially if the deal is thousands of PCs and years of network service...

    But no - our staff turnover was close to 60% every three months. And it wasn't surprising given that the staff were treated like disposable nappies. I can't even compare the way we get treated to machines because even machines need maintenance. Not that our office machines get any - certainly don't get upgraded or anything.

    you're all bitching over this guy's right to blog about Microsoft - but not his ideas for solving the problems.

    Tech people need the business men to ensure the company is profit focussed mostly - but not at the expense of the product viability. Microsoft is already suffering from businessmen who insist on marketing before the product can be built/conceived, shipping before the product is ready, and not doing important stuff - like building some system security and robustness.

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  114. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

    how easy it would be to track him down (anonymity in internet really does not exist).

    No, but if you're blogging criticism about Microsoft on the blog network of one of their biggest competitors (Google), I'm guessing it will last longer than you think, assuming he's not dumb enough to post or visit his blog from within the MS LAN.

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  115. Which firm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I was working for a big firm (starts with A, ends with P and there is a D somewhere in the middle.)

    Ok, I'm not sure if you wanted people to figure it out, but if you did, I cannot figure out which firm to which you are referring. I must be dumb; enlighten me :-)

    1. Re:Which firm? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      hint: those are the only letters in the name.

  116. Re:Does anyone else here thing they could be shill by jafac · · Score: 1

    Clearly, the current situation is bad.

    Whistleblowers are not protected, therefore they must remain anonymous, which damages their credibility, and allows for abusive situations to develop where a competitor poses as a whistleblower.

    A better situation would be if we had strong legislation to protect whistleblowers. (We have legislation, it's clearly insufficient). Then, whistleblowers could come forward out of anonymity, and speak truth without risk of reprisals. Then the truth of the claims can be fairly and openly assessed, and fake-whistleblowers will be rooted out.

    Then that situation would create an environment where someone who was a poor worker, could claim to have dirt on his or her employee, to prevent them from being fired, because they'd be protected under whistleblower laws. The only recourse a company would have is to show documentation or witnesses that the person really was a poor worker, and to fire them with a just cause (which they would have done anyway, had the person abused whistleblower protection laws to keep from getting fired). Any whistleblower protection laws need to be fair, to protect employers from abuse as well.

    The problem with the current political environment, is that it's so charged with ideology, and frustration with nuance-induced loopholes, that such a compromise will never be reached. Either you've got pro-business Republicans and Moderate Democrats pushing for elimination of all worker protections, or you've got extremist Democrats pushing for elimination of all employer protections - the result being a broken system. This government no longer functions. That much is clear.

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  117. Obligatory bash.org quote by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

    *** SparTacus has joined #santcuary
    * SparTacus is now known as Betty_Guns
    *** wacko Jacko has joined #santcuary
    <wacko_Jacko> ok spartacus just came n here i know it. which one of you is that loser?
    <hunney> I am spartacus
    <ji_pper> no im spartacus
    <Betty_Guns> I am spartacus
    <mistr andersn> I'm spartacus
    <wacko_Jacko> ur all freaks thats what u r

    http://www.bash.org/?328464

  118. Individual responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you make a statement publicly that has grave consequences for others, should you be able to hide behind anonymity?