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Mandriva Linux 2006 Released
mhrivnak writes "Today, Mandriva Linux 2006 was released to Club members, and the tree will be publicly available on October 13. New features include the Kat Desktop Search Environment, an interactive firewall, and enhanced wifi support with Mandriva being the only Linux distribution certified for Centrino hardware. The integration of technology from Conectiva and Lycoris has led to improved installation (in 40+ languages), better package management, and quicker boot time."
After all, it is just Linux, so it should be covered by the GPL. Any "club members" who want to can upload a torrent.
Or is there some aspects of the system that aren't GPL and can't be uploaded?
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This time of morning... if it doesn't make coffee, I don't want to know about it.
It's not even 2006 and Linux is already there.
Knock knock, can i enter ? :
I'm sorry sir, but i've been charged to disallow any bad guy to enter this particular port 25.
Uh bad news, but i have a very important message to send my grandma, and couldn't find any open relay to send it to her. it's a matter of life and death.
mmmmmm i see, since i'm not in a bad mood i'll let you pass this time but %@dùù%ù^$
Broadcast message from root (pts/6)
The system is going down for system halt NOW!
I'm currently downloading the M2006, and I wonder how will it work with SP8000 mini-ITX motherboard.
It took me a while to decide upon actually buying such a slow system, but I presume it will be fast enough for a job at hand, which is: "quietly sit in my living room, act as a web, DynDNS, login and file server for my local network, and do the multimedia stuff when needed (mp3, TV, DVDs and DivX).
The problem is that VIA doesn't really play nicely with Linux, and one had to do quite a lot of work on his own in the past before getting a reasonably well working system. Wonder how much work has been done in this direction (if any) by Mandriva folks since 2005LE?
Its too soon. This version of Mandriva still has Mozilla FireFox 1.0.6, with backported patches. I would have waited until Christmas. I would have waited to refine some more. I think they moved too fast on this. I think that major work should have been done on Heimdal Kerberos Support. Because better LDAP backend support for Kerberos is critical to doing thinngs like Linux's "Almost but not quite" Active Directory.
- that I believe has been tested,
- is so popular,
- is expected to improve,
- has acquired other distros in order to improve,
- is regarded as one of the simplest distros,
Mandriva could afford to be more specific especially on boot times. Heck, the developers know how long it takes this new distro to boot. So they could have been more specific.
I really want the source code for the IA software that 'invents' this names for Linux distributions and every little piece of OS/GNU/libre software out there. What comes next?
/. posters?
- RTFA, an 'HTML' editor?
- CowboyNeat, a file duplicator?
- IMHO, a trolling tool for
Just in case some OSS developer reads this post, use the following names for your next text editor: Tlaloc, Escuintle, Vivanderix or Parangaracutirimicuaro. Highly descriptive names, right?
Disclosure: I'm stupid
What I really want to know is: Will my crappy D-Link Air DWL-520 Wireless Adapter(rev.E) be supported? It uses a Prism2.5 chipset that seems to confuse several distributions, including Ubuntu. I was using Mandrake and then Mandriva with functioning ethernet, but when I dropped my cable internet subscription a few months ago and started piggybacking on the neighbor's wifi, I could no longer use linux to get online. I am not a linux guru, but I can edit config files and such. I tried some 3rd party drivers but I had no luck. Getting this piece of hardware to work is over my head.
I'd love it to just work out of the box.
(The neighbors are cool with sharing their bandwidth.)
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Yeah, I just read this about KAT, and had a look at the google desktop search bar thing (I don't use it). Could someone please fill me in - do either of these two tools offer any additional functionality over grep, find/locate?
"You know you don't act like a scientist, you're more like a game show host." Dana Barret
(from the beta )
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http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?r
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How does Kat fare against Beagle? I have used Beagle for a while and I find it really nice.
Has anyone tried Kat?
Mandriva Linux 2006 [...] will be publicly available on October 13.
Funny, that's also Ubuntu's 5.10 (Breezy Badger) final release date. I wonder - does "Ubuntu vs. Mandriva" sound like a knock-off of a Japanese monster movie to anyone else? Or is this a "friendly" competition between linux distros?
"What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
KAT is similar to Google Desktop Search -- it needs to build a huge database before being able to search -- and that takes time and HD space. (It takes multiple hours on my AMD64 to index my 20GB Home directory). After indexing however, Kat's pretty instantaneous to search (it takes a few seconds to search for a phrase inside my home directory -- not bad at all! That's the advantage over grep/find/locate, not to mention that these tools can't search inside PDF's or ODT/SXW's without a struggle!
Compared to Beagle, I have to rank it below. Beagle searches virtually instantaneously with the help of Extended Attributes, with no need for a giant search index.
(Mentioned in the Release Candidate annoucement)
Is this telling us something?
GNU GNU GNU
:Starts tearing out his hair:
I've spelled it out for you, but there's going to be several hundred posts that only say "Linux"
:Stallman starts pounding his head against a wall, hoping everyone else will follow along:. N......U......X
G......N......U....../......L......I.....
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Actually by DistroWatch the big three in order are: Ubuntu, Mandriva and Fedora Core. I personally run FC3 on my laptop, but think I will switch to Mandriva once this goes public. I've been looking for some excuse to change and it has been a while since I ran Mandrake/Mandriva.
"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."
Linspire people said they also were centrino certified, the even sell laptops with Linspire on in.
DNA in your Linux: DNALinux
Hell, I had my Official PowerPack DVD and CD's (for my machines w/o DVD's) at the end of September.
Early seeders advantage I guess. I suppose I need to reseed them on the company OC3
Come on, you can read, you should know by now that:
1)Mandrakesoft tested on LG hardware (including affected models) for this release, but none of the CD-ROM drives they tested had an old enough firmware to be affected
2)Gentoo had the same bug in their ready-for-the-world live gaming CDs (and hadn't tracked it down).
3)The bug was on LGs side, using a valid CD-RW command to flash the drives on their CD-ROM drives, violating standards
4)LG replaced/fixed drives
5)Mandriva did their bit in tracking down the issue, re-issuing installation media, providing a list of affected devices
6)If Mandriva hadn't merged the patch, some other popular distro would have, and would also likely not have picked it up until the release was out the door. Since Mandriva found it, the packet-writing patch was fixed to use another means to check if the drive has write capabilities, and now all linux users can have the feature without danger.
Stop bringing this up, hardware problems due to a vendor's faulty firmware is irrelevant.
Apple is ahead because they built on top of NEXTStep, which has been around for quite awhile. Perhaps you recall OS 9 and what a mess what was? Well, I suppose it did have a nice desktop...
Beagle:
Office: OpenOffice.org 1.0 (SXW, SXC, SXI, and more), OpenOffice.org 2.0 (ODT, ODP and more), Microsoft Office (DOC, XLS, PPT), AbiWord (ABW), Rich Text Format (RTF)
Standard: PDF, HTML, Plain text
Documentation: Texinfo, Man pages, Docbook, Monodoc, Windows help files (CHM), Application launchers
Multimedia: Images (JPEG, PNG, SVG), Audio (MP3, OGG, FLAC)
Network: Evolution mail, calendar, and addressbook, Gaim IM and IRC logs, Firefox/Epiphany web pages (as you view them, through browser extensions), Blam and Liferea RSS feeds, Tomboy notes
Kat:
Office: OpenOffice.org 1.0 (SXW, SXI, SXC, SXM), OpenOffice.org 2.0 (ODT, ODP, ODS, ODF, ODS, ODC), Microsoft Office (DOC, XLS, PPT), Rich Text Format (RTF), Gnumeric, KOffice (KWD, KPR, KSP, KFO), Lyx, Tex, Device Independent Document (DVI)
Standard: PDF, PostScript, HTML, Plain text
Documentation: Man pages, Debian Package (DEB)
Other: BibTex Bibliographic database (BBL, BIB), Molecular Database Limited Molecule (MDL), DocBook Document (DBK)
A lot of the artwork has changed to a much more professional look than 2005LE (You will know what I'm talking about if you installed/used 2005LE).
I'm using the powerpack since I'm a silver club member and I volunteered to be an early seeder so I got it early, and I couldn't be happier. If you want a linux distro that Just Works, try it out some time.
"Redundant" would be my pick, as I can't remember a distro article in recent memory that didn't have at least one post raising the same old issue as yours.
The perception of some weird kind of "rift" between Ubuntu and Debian is way overblown. Read this for more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth Suffice to say that Ubuntu obviously makes excellent use of Debian, and also contributes plenty back.
Woo - another desktop. Won't that be grand! As for innovation, check out the plans for KDE 4. Also, if you're not going to whine and offer up interesting and new ideas rather than vauge accusations of glitchiness, I can think of no reason at all why distros maintainers (who, incidentally, are not responsible for inventing brand new desktops) would wish to "amaze" you.
Very well - if it were up to you, *which* distro would you choose to dictate that people focus on? If you say "SUSE", ten people will say "Mandriva". If you say "Mandriva", ten people will say "Ubuntu". If you say "start a brand new one from scratch" - well, why do you think there are 200 distros already available? Fact is, rallying all developers across the globe - many of which contribute purely voluntarily, remember - to One United Cause is an impossible dream. The only thing we can do is let nature take its course.
If it so happens that a handful of distros attain such a degree of superiority that developers drop their tools and flock to work on it, then great. If it simply transpires that the constant flow of code causes all distros to become completely alike in terms of capabilities, then that's fine, too - somewhat wasteful of resources, yes, but there's nothing you can do about it, certainly not by posting Tired Old Arguments Against Fragmentation v2110 on slashdot.
Finally, a word about distros themselves. Here's my theory - distros aren't important, or at the very least, they are far less important than the body of open-source software available is. The function of a distro is to package a bunch of code together into a whole for consumption by the end-user who has no time to do this for themselves, and to improve the end-user experience as much as is possible - after all, a distro that fails to do the latter will quickly descend into irrelevancy, at which point it ceases to be either a "confusing" additional choice, nor a waste of significant man-power. This improvement often comes from improving the desktop environments, or productivity software offered. Here's the crucial point - all of these types of improvements can (and are) adopted by other distros. For example, Novell have put a lot of work and effort into Beagle, and this work can be and is harnessed by other distros. Put like this:
The fragmentation of distros, and really the distross themselves, are almost wholly irrelevant, as each produces code th
Actually, according to DistroWatch, the top ten distributions are:
1 Ubuntu 2724
2 Mandriva 1739
3 SUSE 1415
4 Fedora 1268
5 MEPIS 1115
6 KNOPPIX 931
7 Debian 888
8 Damn Small 679
9 Gentoo 612
10 Slackware 597
Perhaps my counting skilz are not as honed as yours. Really, though, DistroWatch visitors are notoriously fickle, and the rankings for the distributions in #2-4 usually depend on how long ago their last release was. Expect to see Mandriva's numbers soar shortly, and Fedora's to decline further, at least until FC5.
Yes, because it's totally Mandr[ake|iva]'s fault that LG decided to use a certain ATAPI command (which, according to ATAPI spec, should do nothing or return an error) and make it nuke the firmware. For the record, I experienced the same problem on 2 other mainstream distros which I shall not name, to minimise flamewars.
I think, therefore I am. I think?
OSX gets further along than linux not just because of one vision, but also because of one set of hardware specs. They are the manufacturer of the equipment, making development of an OS a helluva lot simpler. Also, they charge for their software.
No, I just use 12 month numbers because it evens out the jumps that occur when a new version of a distro releases. Granted on the 12 month Suse and FC are close anyway.
"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."
I have to refute this. Beagle does not use extended attributes for searching. It uses a (possibly equally large) lucene repository for that.
Beagle, like Kat, uses bxtended attributes for remembering what files have already been indexed to avoid to reindex them.
I can name one feature I'd like to see in Mandriva.
Either Debdrake or Portagedrake.
RPMs are bollocks - either that, or every RPM distro that I've used or seen had a package repository that was bollocks, which amounts to the same thing either way: bollocks. Anyway, back in the days when I was using Mandrake 8.2, one of the first things I learned was how to spell "make install".
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
Have been using Mnadrake at home since their 9.1 release, running LE2005 now. They did have a buggy release in 10, but 2006 seems to have shaped up to be a good distro.....
I stick to centos in office. Why do people keep cribbing about the zillion linux distros? KDE feels great at home and gnome looks perfect for office..... and after having used both for few years, I can say they have come a long way.....
We have started to slowly roll out CentOS to other workstations here, and people who have began using prefer CentOS over WinXP. Only issue holding us back from a complete rollout is lack of Catia(CAD) for Linux
Even my bro has mostly stopped booting Win at home. Looking forward to Mandy 2006.... I think it'll be a distro that will allow me to recommend Linux to a lot of people
If you are planning to run it, you may consider a quick look at: The Mandriva 2006 Twiki Page. It has links to the Errata Page, Release Notes and the Distro Changelog
My first impressions:
Cheers,
Don Inodoro
Could have made it Oct 12....
Well, I was downloading since yesterday. Had to stop the download and go to work. Now the site is down, getting Apache Tomcat errors on almost all the pages. I guess the /. effect is in progress
Still, I would have expected better from them. They should have anticipated the load from a release, and planned accordingly.
Odd...
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
12 months:
1 Ubuntu 2183 2 Mandriva 1627 3 Fedora 1317>
4 SUSE 1311 5 MEPIS 1184=
6 months:
1 Ubuntu 2724>
2 Mandriva 1739 3 SUSE 1415 4 Fedora 1268>
5 MEPIS 1115>
3 months:
1 Ubuntu 2633 2 Mandriva 1749 3 SUSE 1561 4 Fedora 998=
5 MEPIS 991=
1 month:
1 Ubuntu 2891 2 Mandriva 2106 3 SUSE 2018 4 Fedora 1038>
5 KNOPPIX 1008>
SUSE does appear to have a solid claim to third place, with Ubuntu and Mandriva consistantly taking 1st and 2nd respectively.
"an interactive firewall, and enhanced wife support"
did I read that wrong? I sure could use some of that kind of support!
All I want to know is were do I sign up and how much?
"(I) have this unfortunate condition that causes me not to believe a single thing any politician says when a mic's on.
You're completely right! I've had no problems with jupming 2.2->2.4, but lots of bugs with a third-figure shift in glibc.
:^)
So I'd rather call the glibc and GNU userland "Linux" -- they're harder to replace then the kernel.
As far as I can see, in today's technical English the term "Linux" refers to "the GNU/Linux system", while "the kernel written by Mr. Torvalds" is actually called "the Linux kernel" or simply "the kernel". (The most used word becomes the shortest).
This BTW is like having the car you're manufacturing referred to as "the car" or the bank you're running called "the bank". Sounds cool to me
WYSIWIG, but what you see might not be what you need
Sure you can downloand 95% of Mandriva gratis on easyurpmi.
However, doing so contributes _nothing_ to the cost of development and QA for the Mandriva distribution.
Instead, you could consider getting a Mandriva Club subscription and downloading the full version via http://club.mandriva.com/ and thereby help ensure the on-going development and support of the distro.
It seems like Mandriva have put out a fine operating system, but as an admin, it sucks to not have any kind of documentation or bug support. For example, both Debian and FreeBSD have extensive documentation easily accessable from their web sites. Where's the equivelant for Mandriva? Same goes with bug reporting; I'm not going to track down the links, but it's pretty trivial to submit bug reports for any of Ubuntu, Debian, FreeBSD, even RedHat, but I looked all up and down Mandriva's site and didn't see any kind of bug tracking system, not even a mailto: field.
So, like I said, as an IT admin, I'm not going to support an OS that isn't going to support me.
Causation can cause correlation
I have been using Mandrake/Mandriva for years and my Netgear MA311 has worked since around 2002. This is a Prism 2/2.5/3 chipset card.
In 2005.0, for some reason the wifi drivers for such chipsets was defaulted to hostap rather than orinoco. Due to driver bugs this meant that the ncessary extra magic did not ncessarily make it into modules.conf causing wifi to fail to come after first boot until the necessary line was added. See this Mandriva bugzilla bug.
2006 now appears to default to orinoco and required no extra prodding to get working in my tests of the Beta releases. Of course I don't have your exact machine so no one will be able to tell you for sure.
As others have said, make sure that your DWL 520 really is prism based. That model of card has been through lots of chipsets (upping the model number each time would have saved the world a lot of pain but I guess marketing and cost to reprint stuff won over).
I see Ubuntu is number 1, but I dont see many slashdot articles or much news on it. I guess its debian based, but does anyone have any info about this distro? What makes it so popular?
I'm not sure if it's simply down to starting less stuff but Mandriva 2006.0 boots much faster than Ubuntu Breezy or OpenSUSE 10 (50 seconds versus over 1 minute 10 seconds) on my machine here (it's a fairly old slow machine). It's is far far faster than Mandriva 2005.0 and currently seems to have some sort of lead here. My hat (Fedora?) goes off to the Mandriva developers for improving (and integrating other's improvements) so much over their previous release in this area (that's not to say that further improvements won't be forthcoming from the other distros though).
However boot up and shutdown vary enourmously from machine to machine (and also by how fragmented your partition has become) and I don't have a printer or bluetooth etc. attached to this machine.
I can't believe that you claim to be an admin but couldn't find qa.mandriva.com. You can generate a new bug report, query for existing bugs or just read the docs about how the system works. How can it get easier than that? Bugzilla is pretty mature and easy to use. I don't think anyone has a more open development process than Mandriva. DC
as of this morning:
Rank Distribution H.P.D*
1 Ubuntu 2188 2 Mandriva 1632 3 SUSE 1319 4 Fedora 1317=
5 MEPIS 1185
Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
Based in my experiences with Debian/Ubuntu users:
.deb nor .rpm have nothing to do with dependency hell or heaven.
IMHO it is because Debian users, so used to a last-century distribution , are now excited to see a Debian with the "new stuff" that , say, the same "new stuff" Mandrake/Mandriva (and RedHat, SuSE, Conectiva) users have been using since the time of MDK 8.2:
GUI installation
Excellent hardware support
GUI wizards
Ready to use as a desktop
And, of course, because Ubuntu is Debian, so it is 1337 H4X0R Linux, UberLinux and the only GPL Linux.
You might not like my comment. Well, guess what, this is a recopilation of all my experiences with Ubuntu and Ubuntu users.
There are lots of Debian-fan-boys that think "only Debian is Kosher" and ".deb ais the only package without dependency hell".
Guess what?
Mandriva is GPL, ships about the same number of packages (main, contrib, jpackage, plf-free) than Debian. AND urpmi is as good (or better) than apt-get. And
Cheers
Installing the ML 2006 on this MB is quite eventless. It works. Watching DVDs works fine (i.e. it`s not too slow for this task) out of the box. Haven't tried the divX yet. No idea how much faster the SP8000 will be when I re-compile the Xorg, but "out of the box" the 3D stuff is deadly slow.
:-(
.-)
I added the plf and contrib as urpmi sources, and installed the pre-copiled ivtv and myth* rpms. Also seems to work OK, but m still missing the fb device associated with PVR350. Now I'm stuck on trying to get a frequencies list for Austria.
In the meantime I tried recompiling the kernel, which just proved what we already know: this machine shouldn't be used for CPU intensive tasks.
BTW, the machine needs ca. 40W, and runs withouth any fans. Its getting somewhat warm, but seems to be stable for now. Let's see hw long will it survive.
Windows is Free ? Does Bill know ! Twit !
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
You been taking your pills regular ? Well, have you ? Have you ? You haven't .... ah, now I understand. Nobody wants to amaze you, my dear sir, we're just happy that you're here, with us and being amazing your own self. There is a limit to the amount of amazingness that we can take. You are enough for us, sir, so stay as you are.
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
Firefox is too much of a high-profile application and web browers are an easily hit target.
And firefox has a lot of issues on Linux, all distributions patch it to work sanely. Porting all those patches, and testing all the features, layout etc on thousands of locales is non-trivial. So, I don't agree it is "easily hit".
IMHO, Apache and SSH among others, should be treated similarly.
And, I think samba, openldap, and amarok should be too.
But, other users will have other favourites.
So, where do you draw the line?
Everything? No.
Some? Most? The most popular? The ones that prove to have a good track record? The ones that consider the distro a primary platform?
Firefox only qualifies as one of those -> it shouldn't be special.
Thus, I support the policy. Firefox devs need to get a clue. They aren't the only software a user installs.