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The Insanely Great Songs Apple Won't Let You Hear

FunkeyMonk writes "Slate.com has an article by Paul Collins explaining that the iTunes music store has thousands of tracks that you can't buy in the U.S. From the article: 'The iTunes Music Store has a secret hiding in plain sight: Log out of your home account in the page's upper-right corner, switch the country setting at the bottom of the page to Japan, and you're dropped down a rabbit hole into a wonderland of great Japanese bands that you've never even heard of. And they're nowhere to be found on iTunes U.S.' The article goes on to mention a few workarounds if you want to purchase foreign tunes. But this brings up a good point — why shouldn't iTunes be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly? Is this simply a marketing decision?"

341 comments

  1. Licensing, licensing, licensing by barcarolle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just the way the music business works. Apple can't change the fact that labels only license to certain territories. Just like you can go into a music store in Japan and buy thousands of CDs you can't buy elsewhere, Apple's iStore is contractually bound to operate the same way.

    1. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hkgroove · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is exactly it and it drives me insane, especially with some of the independent (dance) labels. To make it even better, it's not even by label, but by the track. Artist A might sell a track to two different labels - one for the EU and the UK and another label for the US.

      What makes it even more retarded is that the remix / version you want is always on the other label which you're not allowed to buy.

      Most of the other stores are smarter, unfortunately, and you just can't go and change your location. So, you get to have fun finding a proxy that truly is in the territory from where you want to pretend to be.

    2. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by saskboy · · Score: 1

      The music business works that way, but the Internet doesn't. Mind you, I'm a little perturbed by all of the Asian anime crud showing up in the Top rated category on YouTube lately, so to each his own I guess.

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    3. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suppose the bigger question is "why do Japanese labels want people to pirate their music?". Because if you don't offer people a legit way of downloading tracks, then people gravitate to the alternatives.

      Doesn't really bother me much, but makes me curious about their business sense.

      As an aside, Apple/iTunes/publishers also do the same thing with video content that's available to US customers only, and not to people from other geographic regions. The reason? Who knows, but I do know that it's costing them money from people like me that would prefer to purchase it easily rather than using alternatives...

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    4. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      This is just the way the music business works.

      Correction.

      This is just the way the music business worked or has worked.

      I doubt today that there is anything on iTunes US or Japan that I can't get in hours or at most a week for less than $0.99.

      Does anybody here think this is a hard challenge?

    5. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

      This is just another example of the insane way the music business works

      FYP. If you can make any sense out of the notion that you have to get (read: buy) permission to hear song X in each region in which your ears happen to find themselves, you need your head (and prolly ears) examined.

      Region-specific DVDs are the more familiar example; did we as a society just decide to surrender completely to that one?

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    6. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, of course, but iTMS really highlights the problem. Back when the way of selling music was to press it to a record (or other physical medium) and sell it in a shop, it made sense to have different distribution deals for different countries. Company A might have access to retail channels in the USA, while company B might have access to retail channels in the UK. Giving either a worldwide licensing deal would be a problem, since neither would be able to exploit it. Giving both a worldwide deal might cause them to step on each other's toes in some areas, which would be bad for business.

      Amazon started to change the rules. They had almost the same store in a large number of countries. You could even get them to ship products to you from their stores in another country using the same account. They were not bound by the distribution contracts, since they were buying from the authorised distributor and selling them elsewhere.

      The movie industry tried to 'fix' this, rather than embracing it, by introducing region codes. Now, the DVD you bought from the USA wouldn't play on your player (although most stand-alone DVD players sold in the UK are now region-free, laptop drives are often not, which is irritating).

      A bigger problem than music and film, however, is TV shows. These are typically broadcast in one country up to a year before they are syndicated elsewhere. There is no option to buy them legally through any channel[1], but you can download them from the Internet within a few hours of their original release. The movie industry woke up to this and started launching things at the same time worldwide, but the music and TV industries are still stuck in the regional distribution model.

      iTMS simply serves to highlight the fact that entire industries are clinging to an obsolete business model. Now that worldwide distribution is a reality, they are still trying to enforce regional supply chains.


      [1] This, to my mind, means that they should not be protected by copyright. If you intentionally exclude a region, then it is not in the best interests of that region to grant you a monopoly on distribution.

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    7. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the other reason they don't let people buy tracks from other countries is because the pricing is different. In Canada a song costs $CDN 0.99. However in the US, the tracks cost $US 0.99. So you could buy a track for about $US 0.85 if the Americans were allowed to buy tracks in Canada. I'm not sure what the prices are in the UK. If they are GBP 0.99 then I don't think anybody would be shopping there if they had the ability to go to the Canadian store and buy tracks there.

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    8. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by zentec · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you do that, make sure you do it with gift cards and not a credit card. Your $.99 Canadian iTunes purchase will result in a $3.00 foreign currency exchange fee on your credit card. Plus, the $.99 for the song.

    9. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Nevyn · · Score: 2, Informative
      The movie industry woke up to this and started launching things at the same time worldwide

      While I agree with most of what you said, this is obviously wrong. US movies still mostly take a few months to get to the UK, and any UK movies often take more than 6 months to get here. Sure a few very big movies have world wide releases, but then that was happening 10 years ago.

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    10. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's god's way of punishing you for liking dance 'music'.

    11. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hjf · · Score: 1
      A bigger problem than music and film, however, is TV shows. These are typically broadcast in one country up to a year before they are syndicated elsewhere.


      Just a quick correction. I live in Latin America (Argentina) and we get most US shows 2 to 4 weeks after broadcast in the US. Most of them through Sony Entertainment Television and The Warner Channel. (Desperate Housewives, Top Chef, ER, Grey's Anatomy, and many many others. The prime time is from 9 to 12pm, that's 4 sitcoms and one 1-hour show every day). We have FOX too, but they start broadcasting the Simpsons only after the season is over.

      E! News Live is live every night and translated the next day.

      My point was that if there is ENOUGH interest, companies will sell the show even before syndicating it.
    12. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by noewun · · Score: 2, Funny
      E! News Live is live every night and translated the next day.

      Speaking for all Americans, I apologize.

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    13. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Antifuse · · Score: 1

      Of course we didn't just surrender completely to that one. Region-free dvd players are one example, as are all the apps out there that let you reset your computer's dvd-region arbitrarily. And Australia's high court ruled that it's legal to sell devices that circumvent region-lockout as well.

    14. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Storlek · · Score: 1

      Yep, iTunes gift cards are the way to go.
      Just get a handful of them for whatever country you want, create an account in that country's iTunes store, with any old address, as long as it's in that country. Log in, and you can get whatever music you want, no credit card needed! Or even forego the gift card if you're just looking for free downloads.

      (I think you can get Japanese iTunes gift cards from jlist.com, but the site's acting up right now so I can't confirm this.)

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    15. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      One Very VERY Successful Record (shows the age) Retailer started life as an importer to the UK of obscure US LP's.
      I Remember going to their first(or nearly) shop, over a shoe shop in London's Oxford St.
      Their Name

        Virgin.

      Apple are in a great position to widen the distribution of bands that are unknown outside their home area. This has been done many times before in the Music Biz.
      Radio Caroline played West Coast US track long before the BBC.
      The Old Grey Whistle Test showed bands playing live long before they became mainstream.

      So PLEASE Apple, open up your music catalogues properly to a worldwide Audience. The Artists will appreciate it even if some of the music Companies might not. But thede Dodo's can't see beyong then of the fat cigar they are smoking to see the benefits of such a move. Its more $,£,Yen, Euros or whatever moving through your bank accounts. What is wrong with that?

    16. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mblase · · Score: 1

      True, of course, but iTMS really highlights the problem.

      Oh, come on. This has been plainly visible since stores started selling online at all. It's not like very many Americans are lining up to buy Japanese music that's not available overseas, but Terry Pratchett fans in the US were complaining for years about the way his novels were available exclusively in the UK for months before that got changed.

      (BTW, it's just iTS now.)

      Back when the way of selling music was to press it to a record (or other physical medium) and sell it in a shop, it made sense to have different distribution deals for different countries.

      Physical media have never had anything to do with it. It's entirely to do with international licensing agreements and international laws, and the way a culture of piracy dictates how the same CD or DVD can be sold for wildly different prices in different countries.

    17. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by zmotula · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > most stand-alone DVD players sold in the UK are now region-free

      How can this be? I thought that the CSS license required the players to obey the regional restrictions.

    18. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hjf · · Score: 1

      Hahaha! But hey! How else do you expect us to get "the scoop" on K-Fed and Bennifer? ... Anyway if I had to choose between E! Entertainment and FTV (Fashion TV), I'd choose E!.

      And don't think we don't have our own productions on E! Latin. They seem to have every now and then a show called "Historias Verdaderas" (True Stories), our local E! True Hollywood Story (local artists, etc), only we don't have Hollywood so they removed that from the name.

      Sad? Yes. But is it better than Discovery Channel? I don't know. Discovery has ruined their reputation when they hired Chip Foose and the Teutuls. Now Discovery is custom-cars-and-bikes all day long. At least MTV had a reason to make a customized-car show (Pimp My Ride): They are the channel for a stupid audience. But Discovery underestimates their audience once and again with their car shows and the Mythbusters motto of OMG! SCIENCE IS SO COOL BECAUSE YUO GET TO BLOW TIHNGS UP EVRY DAY!!!!11one KEKEKEKEEK!!!!!11eleven

    19. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by jcr · · Score: 1

      The music business works that way, but the Internet doesn't.

      What's your next guess?

      Online music stores have to abide by the same laws that any other business does. It's not Apple's choice to have a bunch of separate iTMS stores for each country.

      -jcr

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    20. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Informative

      The ironic thing is Japanese bands often do tours of North America and turn up to Animecons. So surely they know there is a market for this sort of thing.

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    21. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stumbled upon this accidentally. When the iTMS first opened in 2003 I was trying it out and bought a couple of tracks from The Lightning Seeds. About a year later I went looking for them again but they had disappeared from the U.S. store. (They're still not for sale in the U.S.) By logging out and connecting to the UK store I was able to find them again.

    22. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by asiansteev · · Score: 1

      There is probably an obvious answer to this, but why is it that I can go to an importing site such as http://www.yesasia.com/ and buy that Japanese dance album? Is yesasia doing something illegal by selling me, in the states, a Japanese album licensed only to Japanese territories? This seems more comparable than the 'walk into a record store' comparison.

    23. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Weedlekin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Region-specific DVDs are the more familiar example; did we as a society just decide to surrender completely to that one?"

      No, we all went out and bought DVD players with publicly-available "no region" hacks and an in-built capability to skip the bits that the DVD makers try and force us to watch ("Millions of people who wouldn't think of driving a combine-harvester through a puppy-farm, setting fire to a children's hospital after welding all the doors shut, or launching an ICBM at Finland commit the immeasurably worse crime of copying DVDs or lending them to their friends and family").

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    24. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suppose the bigger question is "why do Japanese labels want people to pirate their music?". Because if you don't offer people a legit way of downloading tracks, then people gravitate to the alternatives.

      All the marketing, none of the support, and no overhead.

      But if the pirates actually create a following, you can then offer media via existing channels, and make a buck.

      Doesn't really bother me much, but makes me curious about their business sense.

      Don't market in a place where a market does not exist. Wait for a market to apear, then take advantage of it. Nothing could be more brilliant.

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    25. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by 0x15e · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interestingly enough, this is a problem I rarely encounter buying physical media. Only the downloads are ever restricted in this manner.

      For instance, I was just yesterday digging in Beatport for an Armin Van Buuren track that was released on Nebula. They had exactly what I wanted but wouldn't sell it to me due to region.

      I figured I had two options: steal it from somewhere or buy the physical record from a store in the states. I bought the record and, as it was on a different label (but still imported), both Beatport and Nebula lost money on that one.

      It's due to restrictions like this that, while digital distribution is growing, the market for physical media (even vinyl records, in this particular case) is going to be around for at least a little while longer.

    26. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by iainl · · Score: 1

      The CSS license requires the players to be single-region, however

      a) "Someone" (oh definitely not the manufacturer, oh no, they would never do such a thing) sends most retailers a disc or custom remote with the relevant engineer commands to make the player multi-region or "enable engineer mode" as they sometimes call it. Which is just as well for those manufacturers, because they all know just how much sales suffer if your player is particularly hard to mod.

      b) A lot of those cheap players have reverse-engineered CSS with or without help from DVD Jon and don't pay the group a penny, anyway. When the whole player retails for £17, by the time you've taken out tax, retail markup, distribution costs and so on, a license would wipe out the entire manufacturing budget of the physical product.

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    27. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like you can go into a music store in Japan and buy thousands of CDs you can't buy elsewhere

      This is because of promotion... who in the US will carry such bands when they aren't known or promoted in the area? However many will accept orders for them and tell you when they come in.

    28. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Don't market in a place where a market does not exist."

      I'd also suggest, "If somebody wants to buy something from you, take their damn money." That's not the way it works, though. We're not talking about marketing...I already want the album. I'm just not allowed to buy it, because I live in the States.

      No, I won't pay extra for an "import" album. I will spend time figuring out how to download it for free, though.

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    29. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by scumbaguk · · Score: 1

      No fee on my credit card for online purchases.

    30. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Mind you, I'm a little perturbed by all of the Asian anime crud showing up in the Top rated category on YouTube lately, so to each his own I guess.

      What they need is a separate "local top rated" in addition to the "[absolute] top rated."

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    31. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 1

      So you could buy a track for about $US 0.85 if the Americans were allowed to buy tracks in Canada


      So what?
      In fact, that is great, Americans get to save 15 cents.

      Isn't this what globalization is all about? If corporations can buy goods and labour in the countries that are more beneficial to them, why should I not be able to buy entertainment products where they are cheaper?

      Oh, yes. Now it hurts THEM. Gee, too bad. They should be thankful that I can't teleport.

      (not that I buy music online anyway)
    32. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by minuszero · · Score: 1

      there are issues with physical media, too.

      maxi CDs are not sold in the UK, we have to buy two, or even three separate singles...
      that's stupid UK chart company limiting what classifies as a 'single' rather than the music labels, mind.

      also special editions of certain albums are often only sold in particular regions.

      and many of the lack of problems occurs because the stores simply import (you can tell 'cos of the import sticker and ridiculously high price) them themselves, they're still not strictly sold in that country by the labels.

    33. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      Desperate Housewives, Top Chef, ER, Grey's Anatomy,

      And speaking for all Americans with a modicum of taste, I apologize as well.

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    34. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hkgroove · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he were truly punishing me, you would have referred to it as "techno".

    35. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 1

      What a complicated way of doing things!

      Here (Argentina) all players come as "region 1-6" directly from china, taiwan, malaysia, etc. It even says so in the manual. And I'm talking about major brands here. Market forces take care of those who do not respect this rule.

      What I've never understood is why the bother to block other regions (looks like there are regions 7 and 8 for special purposes). Then again, maybe they don't, I don't have a R7 or R8 dvd to test that.

    36. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by name*censored* · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's far more effort to work out how to buy things online as it is to illegally download them. Watch: (Legal[iTunes] vs torrent)

      Download and Install iTunes & Quicktime || Download and install torrent client (or just download if its uTorrent) Open iTunes || Open Web Browser Click on ITMS || Go to torrent site (via google, they aren't exactly hard to come by) Find song you like || Find song you like Give them your credit card number || Give that nice nigerian man your credit card number Download song and add it to your library || Download and run torrent Wait for download to complete || Wait for download to complete Cry because the quality makes your ears bleed || Cry because your razor blade makes your face bleed Yell at DRM for not working on a third party player || Yell at the pizza boy for taking 29 minutes and 30 seconds It's always perplexed me that all the illegal stuff (cracking programs, torrent sites, ) are both more comprehensive AND more user friendly than legal stuff; if they weren't operating below the law they'd certainly have my business. /
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    37. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      This is why the imports business is so lucrative. Company A buys a "license" to sell the song in Japan. Company B buys the discs in Japan and ships them to the USA to resell at 100%+ markup. The same goes for video games and movies in many cases too.

    38. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I'd also suggest, "If somebody wants to buy something from you, take their damn money." That's not the way it works, though. We're not talking about marketing...I already want the album. I'm just not allowed to buy it, because I live in the States.

      You are not "a" market, you are a person. If they make the choice to not sell a product where there isn't a big enough market to justify the expence, they are under no obligation to.

      It's not like I don't feel your pain. I too would be happy to buy some things which are not sold.

      No, I won't pay extra for an "import" album. I will spend time figuring out how to download it for free, though.

      It seems they are happy with this arangement, and it sounds like you are happy too. Problem solved. I too am not a fan of the import market, not so much because of it's cost but because there is no real assurance that an edition you buy in good faith is actually a licensed copy. For example, One Piece dubs.

      I know the industry should understand that we now live in a global market, and the concept of boarders is obsolete.

      I would "reccomend" that you do what I do... something i'm interested in buying... send a letter saying "I want to buy it, but it's not available". Otherwise, they are clueless as to the existance of any market. If enough demand exists, then they *will* jump into your market with bells on.

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    39. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hjf · · Score: 1

      These were the ones that I remember at the time. To tell the truth, I don't have much time for TV, I just watch FOX's block of animation when I remember to: The Simpsons, Futurama and Family Guy. Old episodes, of course (Mon-Fri 8PM).

      Well, so what do you like? We also (used to) get Six Feet Under, Band Of Brothers, The Sopranos, etc (these on HBO, and a year later, for "free" on Warner Channel).

    40. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Does this mean that they'll have to get better at hiding forgein music, now that the workaround has been publicly discovered?

    41. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by catwh0re · · Score: 1
      This is the exact reason, it's not Apple marketing or factually any Apple decision at all.

      Music companies (and tv/movie content) are behind the times, they are accustomed to releasing music/movies/tv shows gradually world wide, instead of a universal date. There are various reasons for why they do this, many of which are out of their control. (E.g. how do you sell a TV show to a station in every country, when it hasn't even been tested to work in one country.)

      Now opposingly: games/software are an entirely different distribution paradigm... for this reason the iPod games are available in every store at the same time.

      Apple do a lot of hard work to get the labels to all agree on a common set of DRM restrictions.. for this reason there is a lag as companies join the iTunes Store.
      This is unlike Microsoft which is in the news recently for signing on with Sony and Universal's music on their more restrictive terms. (no sharing of most of their songs, particularly new titles.)

      It's clear that Apple do a lot of hard work to get the labels to agree to the same set of terms (hence why there is a long hold out on many labels and movie studios.) Unfortuantely though, getting universal release dates on all content is simply not possible as no label is willing to do this.

      Persons living outside of the USA are used to getting American Movies/Music/TV later than the USA audience, and as a result aren't shocked by other iTunes Stores having entirely different content. E.G. Here in Australia we get local artists before they are released internationally(if they are ever released at all abroad.)

    42. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Phil246 · · Score: 1

      They're £0.79 in the uk, which with the current exchange rate is $USD 1.55

    43. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "they are under no obligation to."

      I didn't say they were under any obligation. I suggest that, if I show up with money in my hand ready to exchange it for goods, they ought to smile and take my money and give me goods.

      "send a letter saying "I want to buy it, but it's not available""

      Nope. Not worth my time. If my business isn't worth their time, improving their business certainly isn't worth mine. I'll gladly use other (dodgier) alternatives.

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    44. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      A great example of this is Battlestar Galactica from Sci-Fi. It has at least a 6 month lag time before it hits the UK from the States. Luckily for the Brits, people always throw up a high-quality rip on thepiratebay the day after the show airs. Now just think of the viewership (and corresponding ad revenue) if it was aired in both places at the same time (with localized ads of course).

    45. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Noginbump · · Score: 1

      But you likely paid extra for the "import" sticker. This is what always frustrated me. I want a certain old album and it's only available on some foreign import. The import version is no different from the original release when it was released in the States, except that it has an Import sticker and the price is doubled (or even higher).

      So, what iTunes isn't doing is offering "import" songs for the same price as domestic(?) songs. The record stores don't do this either.

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    46. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      Yup, I buy physically imported media all the time. Usually the B&M stores will rip you off on truly foreign releases but I've had no problems importing music and movies to the US from amazon.??? My last two purchases were the complete DVD collection of SPACED from Amazon.co.uk and the complete DVD collection of Clone High from Amazon.ca. All said and done I only paid about $25 US after shipping and taxes for the collection of both seasons of spaced + the special where the average eBay seller was hocking the individual titles for about $60 a pop (if you could even find one for sale)

      Of course if you're going to import movies you need to make sure your DVD player is equipped to handle alternate regions.

    47. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
      both Beatport and Nebula lost money on that one.
      Oh, don't start that crap, even if you're arguing for more freedom in the music business. If you use it here, that gives the RIAA the ability to use the same argument to claim that downloading MP3s is equivalent to stealing money from their bank account.

      Because that CD was not intended only for you, and there are only a limited number of CDs pressed, the seller didn't lose money (someone else will come along and buy the record). Contract law will even back that reasoning up on this with cases like Neri v. Marine Retail Corp., and the Uniform Commercial Code 2-708.
    48. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by GuardBoy98 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I hate when people do that.

    49. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      So, basically, the UK is getting ripped off, because the Americans are only paying $USD 0.99, and the Canadians are getting an even better deal at $US 0.84

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    50. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      The movie industry tried to 'fix' this, rather than embracing it, by introducing region codes. Now, the DVD you bought from the USA wouldn't play on your player (although most stand-alone DVD players sold in the UK are now region-free, laptop drives are often not, which is irritating).

      An interesting twist is that selling a player which cannot play both region 2 and region 5 discs is most likely illegal anywhere within the EU...

      A bigger problem than music and film, however, is TV shows. These are typically broadcast in one country up to a year before they are syndicated elsewhere.

      Actually it can be "up to several years". Note that in some cases these delays are actually longer than they were 20-30 years ago. Dispite increased "bandwidth" available to TV broadcasters.

      There is no option to buy them legally through any channel[1], but you can download them from the Internet within a few hours of their original release. The movie industry woke up to this and started launching things at the same time worldwide, but the music and TV industries are still stuck in the regional distribution model.

      No doubt all CDs and DVDs are actually made in the cheapest places on the planet the companies concerned can find...

      This, to my mind, means that they should not be protected by copyright. If you intentionally exclude a region, then it is not in the best interests of that region to grant you a monopoly on distribution.

      AFAIK the only place this actually is the law is Canada.

    51. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      This has been plainly visible since stores started selling online at all.

      The other thing which online stores can show up is where there is excess profiteering. i.e. if something is cheaper to buy from overseas on a one off basis then it is very overpriced. (Especially if the postage is a substatial proportion of the price paid.)

      It's not like very many Americans are lining up to buy Japanese music that's not available overseas, but Terry Pratchett fans in the US were complaining for years about the way his novels were available exclusively in the UK for months before that got changed.

      Do they get the original or a special US only version though?

      Physical media have never had anything to do with it. It's entirely to do with international licensing agreements and international laws, and the way a culture of piracy dictates how the same CD or DVD can be sold for wildly different prices in different countries.

      There is also the culture of publishers. Indeed they appear to have had a lot more input into these various agreements and treaties than readers, listeners and viewers.

    52. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the concept of boarders is obsolete

      I disagree. We have a room that we rent out and the arrangement works quite well.

    53. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by 0x15e · · Score: 1

      Because that CD was not intended only for you, and there are only a limited number of CDs pressed, the seller didn't lose money (someone else will come along and buy the record).

      But we're not talking about a CD. We're talking about an MP3 of which they can essentially make infinite copies. By restricting sales of the MP3 to a specific market (probably the UK or Europe in general, in this case), they're losing money on any potential sales outside that region.

      Sure, it's probably more due to their lack of a license to distribute outside that region than anything else but that only goes further to illustrate the brokenness of regional distribution contracts for digitally distributed media.

    54. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by El+Gigante+de+Justic · · Score: 1

      That probably wouldn't make a difference - a lot of the people watching the "Asian anime crud" are likely to be fans from the US and Europe trying to watch shows that haven't been released here yet, either in fan-sub form or by keeping a Japanese dictionary handy.

    55. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      What I've never understood is why the bother to block other regions (looks like there are regions 7 and 8 for special purposes). Then again, maybe they don't, I don't have a R7 or R8 dvd to test that.

      Region 8 is for aircraft, so if you are watching a DVD anywhere else than on an airline you probably didn't get it through legitimate sources.

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    56. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      A great example of this is Battlestar Galactica from Sci-Fi. It has at least a 6 month lag time before it hits the UK from the States. Luckily for the Brits, people always throw up a high-quality rip on thepiratebay the day after the show airs.

      Actually it's rather more random that that. Some episodes were shown first in the US, some first in the UK, possibly even some first elsewhere. However they were available through "alternative means" soon after they aired anywhere.
      A better example might be the 2005 Doctor Who series, which was shown in the US long after it had aired in both the UK and Canada.

      Now just think of the viewership (and corresponding ad revenue) if it was aired in both places at the same time (with localized ads of course).

      Even a delay of up to 48 hours would probably be acceptable to most viewers. However the US broadcasters' method of showing some episodes, then repeating them (possibly out of order) would not go down well. Very few broadcasters would even try to do this, since it means they get deluged with letters, emails, phone calls and faxes from irate viewers. (Indeed it's a mystery why viewers in the US arn't rioting.)

    57. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Phil246 · · Score: 1

      yes, simply put. We get ripped off on just about everything :(

    58. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Rioting takes time. Bittorrent takes less time =)

    59. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      How can this be? I thought that the CSS license required the players to obey the regional restrictions.

      It dosn't trump the "law of the land". e.g. selling something which couldn't play both R2 and R5 in the EU would be utterly stupid. Also IIRC region coding is illegal in Australia. (Probably because most Aussies are, rightfully, fed up of being on the end of several distribution chains.)

    60. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
      For instance, I was just yesterday digging in Beatport for an Armin Van Buuren track that was released on Nebula.
      My bad. I assumed, from the use of "digging," that you were in a physical store (I'd never heard of Beatport).
    61. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      What I've never understood is why the bother to block other regions (looks like there are regions 7 and 8 for special purposes). Then again, maybe they don't, I don't have a R7 or R8 dvd to test that.

      8 is "Aircaft and Cruise ships", things would be rather dodgy if these cannot play any DVDs their flag would otherwise allow. 7 is "special purpose", not sure if any of these actually exist.

    62. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      If you do that, make sure you do it with gift cards and not a credit card. Your $.99 Canadian iTunes purchase will result in a $3.00 foreign currency exchange fee on your credit card. Plus, the $.99 for the song.

      This fee is probably a matter between you and your credit card company. Others may charge no fee (likely with a worst than market rate of exchange), a percentage or a different fixed fee.

    63. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      Isn't this what globalization is all about? If corporations can buy goods and labour in the countries that are more beneficial to them, why should I not be able to buy entertainment products where they are cheaper?

      Except that suppliers tend to get very annoyed when individuals do it, even more annoyed when retail companies do it and tend to reach for their lawyers...

    64. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      Music companies (and tv/movie content) are behind the times, they are accustomed to releasing music/movies/tv shows gradually world wide, instead of a universal date. (E.g. how do you sell a TV show to a station in every country, when it hasn't even been tested to work in one country.)

      Of course your "test" may be a broadcast in a place (or on a station) where it wouldn't "work". However at what point is "testing" considered to have been done? e.g. such delays are present with Stargate SG1 which has running for nearly a decade!

    65. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Informative

      that's not what's going on. what happens is that whoever has rights to the music can sell rights to distribute the music to different distributors. you don't need to buy rights to hear music in different regions, but distributors have to sign contracts so that they are the official distributor of a specified region. this helps a label gain distribution because a large distributor will be more likely to pick up a label if they know that they will be the exclusive distributor for that label in the region they operate in.

      so the problem seems like japanese labels just don't have very good distribution in the U.S., or perhaps no distribution at all. this isn't really their fault per se because it might very well be that U.S. distributors aren't willing to pick up japanese labels. it's very easy for U.S. labels to get distribution in other areas like europe, australia, asia, canada, etc. but not so easy vice-versa.

    66. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Eh, go trawl around in the indian ocean for awhile in a rich looking yacht, I'm sure plenty of boarders will come your way. You might want to bring along some guns to hold them off though.

    67. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      it's not really the fault of japanese labels. itunes isn't a distributor, they're a retailer. and in my experience it's often hard for an indie label to get itunes to pick up their content on their own. for instance, i work for an indie metal label. when itunes first came out they invited many labels to sign on, but when we tried, we were rejected. however, our content is on itunes and almost every other major online music store now because we have a distribution contract with megaforce along with a lot of other indie labels and are distributed through sony bmg (treated as just one label group under megaforce). so while we're just a small indie label, we have excellent distribution which we gained sorta through collective bargaining power. now, the japanese labels may not be able to do the same with US distributors. and since they aren't likely to be able to get itunes US to pick up their content by themselves, they can't get their stuff on the virtual shelves of itunes US.

    68. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      they're a retailer, so they don't have a direct contract with the label most likely. so, no, it's not illegal. but if a distributor was selling to retailers outside of their region, then yes. also, if a label has a distributor in say australia, and then they sell a bunch of CDs to an australian retailer without the knowledge of their australian distributor, then that is also illegal.

    69. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      I only watch the NFL (American Football) and the Indy Racing League (an American open-wheel racing series). As I've gotten older, I've become less in the target audience for American TV shows. I've also become busier, so I have less time to find the smaller number of shows I might be interested in. I like the highlights that iTunes provides, but I'd like the whole game/race, not just highlights, and all the races, not just the Indy 500.

      Plus I'm a season ticket holder for an NFL team (Colts), so half of the Sundays I'm tailgating and at the game instead of in front of the tv, and I usually attend two IRL races each year, the Indy 500 and whatever else strikes my whim.

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    70. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by AoT · · Score: 1

      If they make the choice to not sell a product where there isn't a big enough market to justify the expence, they are under no obligation to.


      The whole point is that there is no expense to sell on iTMS in the US and Japan as opposed to just Japan. There might be a minimal ammount off extra server load and bandwidth, but that is only when someone actually buys or looks at something. So there is no expense to justify.

    71. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by jdroog · · Score: 1

      Nah! Can't do that because then Apple would be infringing on the traditional territory of news organs "top" x lists.

    72. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by ejp1082 · · Score: 1
      It's always perplexed me that all the illegal stuff (cracking programs, torrent sites, ) are both more comprehensive AND more user friendly than legal stuff; if they weren't operating below the law they'd certainly have my business.

      Ditto. I always get the sense that the pirates are more concerned with the quality of my viewing/listening experience than any of the **AA folks. If The Pirate bay was actually legal and started charging for the torrents, I'd happily pay it. There isn't a legal service yet that comes close to the same quality of experience - even if you put aside the DRM issues, they still push low quality files, ugly as sin sites plagued with advertising, unnavigable user interfaces, and incomplete libraries.

      It's really bad when the people doing this illegally and without pay care more about customer service than the people who expect me to fork over money to them...

    73. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Kesh · · Score: 1

      The expense comes from paying lawyers to haggle over international licensing agreements, not to mention figuring out how taxation between the two countries is going to work out. Then negotiating the actual pricing. And taking monetary exchange rates into consideration, most likely.

      Multiply this times the number of record labels involved, and it adds up quick.

    74. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mkiwi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly enough, when ITMS was a year or two old, I was able to buy Frank Zappa music on the store. I got a couple of great albums, so I went back a few months later and did a search for "Frank Zappa." The entire 50 something album collection that was available is not available anymore- at least not in the US.

    75. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say heck NO to tech-NO!

    76. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Download and Install iTunes & Quicktime || Download and install torrent client (or just download if its uTorrent)
              Open iTunes || Open Web Browser
              Click on ITMS || Go to torrent site (via google, they aren't exactly hard to come by)
              Find song you like || Find song you like
              Give them your credit card number || Give that nice nigerian man your credit card number
              Download song and add it to your library || Download and run torrent
              Wait for download to complete || Wait for download to complete
              Cry because the quality makes your ears bleed || Wait for download to complete
              Yell at DRM for not working on a third party player || Wait for download to complete
              Grab a beer and watch some tv || Wait for download to complete
              Surf the web for 2 hours || Wait for download to complete
              Grab dinner and see a movie with some friends || Wait for download to complete
              Walk home from the movie (2 miles away) || Wait for download to complete
              Go to bed and sleep || Wait for download to complete
              Get up, shower, and have breakfast || Wait for download to complete
              Go to work for the day || Wait for download to complete
              Get home from work and make dinner || Wait for download to complete
              Repeat the above steps 3 times || Wait for download to complete

      There fixed that for ya. Bit Torrent....one of the most poorly named apps available. Should have been called Bit Dribble.

    77. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason music (and other media) is licensed regionally is an economic one, usually on the part of the person requesting the license.

      For example, if I wanted to purchase all the rights to a particular song, it might cost me some hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. But chances are, I am only interested in the rights to use that song in my own field. By purchasing only the "Sound Track" rights, I can pay only a small fraction of the cost to use that song, but I agree to certain arbitrary restrictions.

      When a song is only available in one region, or only a certain version is available, it means that the distributor was only willing to purchase the rights to sell that one version of the song in that one particular area. They can afford to spend only a fraction of the total cost of the song, but reap the full reward of their intended use.

      The original artist, or licenser in most cases, also generally enjoys this as the music can then be resold over and over again, assuming its a popular piece, so they generally go along with it.

      The problem arises when there is a demand for the song somewhere outside of any of the current licensers areas of distribution. And because of the potential for someone to purchase the rights to distribute there in the future, its not likely to be turned over to public use.

    78. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hjf · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about the Indy Racing League (there's a new channel called Speed, maybe it's there but I don't have it yet), but the NFL games show on ESPN or ESPN+ (both local versions), or FOX Sports. I know there's also NBA games, and even Baseball (though nobody plays Baseball down here in South America, except for Venezuela, and we don't play by the NBA rules, but the FIBA's). They even have those Poker championships, Tennis, Golf, etc. There is a LOT of Soccer: FOX Sports was live from Germany all day long in the last World Cup, and they play all of Europe's soccer games, many of them live. There's also the highlights on CNN International.

      Oh yes, we don't have Telemundo.

    79. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by funaho · · Score: 1

      At least the UK gets it in high def. No way to get that here in the States except to download it, because there is no SCIFI-HD.

      Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis are handled similarly. Both are on hiatus in the US until April, but there are already 3-4 new eps of each show available for download because they're showing on SkyOne...again, in HD. Wish I could get SkyOne.

    80. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by ozbird · · Score: 1

      I prefer a hybrid approach:

      Open Web Browser
      Find band that sounds interesting (via MySpace.com etc.)
      Go to torrent site
      Download band's album(s)
      If bad, delete (most albums follow this branch, unfortunately: good song !=> good album)
      Else, goto band website
      Follow Shop/Store link
      Buy CD.

    81. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by tim1724 · · Score: 1
      It's not like very many Americans are lining up to buy Japanese music that's not available overseas, but Terry Pratchett fans in the US were complaining for years about the way his novels were available exclusively in the UK for months before that got changed.
      Do they get the original or a special US only version though?

      Pratchett's current publisher in the US is HarperCollins.

      Although the books are now released at approximately the same time in the US as in the UK (and in a few cases a few days before the UK!) they have different covers. (Many American fans order the books from Canadian bookstores in order to get the Paul Kidby covers.)

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      -- Tim Buchheim
    82. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by TFloore · · Score: 1
      Company A might have access to retail channels in the USA, while company B might have access to retail channels in the UK. Giving either a worldwide licensing deal would be a problem, since neither would be able to exploit it. Giving both a worldwide deal might cause them to step on each other's toes in some areas, which might cause actual competition.


      There... corrected that for you.

      Oh, sorry, this is capitalism, we don't like competition.

      Err.

      (Why does an italic tag not work inside a blockquote?)
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    83. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by toxicity69 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. You can register any address you want on iTunes. I download music under the following address:

      69 Gofuckyourselves Apple Lane Gofuckyourselvestown

    84. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by ctj · · Score: 1

      Yep same in New Zealand, region coding breaks our parallel import laws. So players need to be able to play DVD from other regions. This might change with our new copyright laws but I doubt it.

    85. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 1
      If it was on a different label, there was no way for Nebula to legally get your money for the album anyway, unless you went to whatever country they issued the album in and bought it there, which I'm guessing is a bit more than you're willing to do just to buy an album.


      Many albums (and movies, and books, and games, etc) are published by different entities in different countries/regions, which is one reason we have the regional restrictions on downloaded media. If Label A has the distribution rights to a given album in the UK, say, while Label B has the rights for the same album in the US, and the iTunes Store carries stuff from Label A but not Label B, it can't just go and sell this album to everyone in the US, since it violates Label B's distribution rights. If all media publishers published all their material in all territories, it'd be a lot easier to get stuff in all markets, but distribution rights for various works are often carved up and split between lots of individual entities, and a store can't just ignore all that and offer everything everywhere.

    86. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Several months ago Warner bought Rykodisc, which had all the Zappa stuff, and one consequence was that a bunch (all? I'm not sure) of Ryko material disappeared from multiple outlets, not just iTunes, for some sort of accounting transition or something. It's supposed to return to download availability eventually (though presumably not all stores - the Zappa stuff was available at eMusic, for example, but presumably Warner's not about to forget its a major label with major label demands and let a part of its catalog go on eMusic just because it was there before when it was on some indie label).


      Frank would have been displeased, of course, since he spent a chunk of his career/life pissed at Warner for their treatment of him and fought to get out from under their thumb.

    87. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mattjb0010 · · Score: 1

      Yep same in New Zealand, region coding breaks our parallel import laws. So players need to be able to play DVD from other regions.

      Well I don't know about NZ, but in Australia the parallel import laws simply mean that it's legal to switch a DVD player to region free mode, not that DVD players have to be region free.

    88. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by houseofzeus · · Score: 1

      I agree, and think a lot of people follow this model. If an album I download is good enough that I keep listening to it then I have historically always done the right thing in the end and bought the CD (from the merch stands at gigs, where possible, but that is not always realistic).

    89. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be more insulting to have yout techno referred to as "dance music"?

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    90. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless your bandwidth is seriously lacking, you happen to be on the wrong side of a packet shaper (certain university networks) or, you don't have the correct port(s) forwarded on your router, this should not be the case with BitTorrent music downloads. I have never had a CD download that has been released in the last year or two take more than 2 hours to download. I'll note that you need to choose your torrents well so that you don't end up with an extremely peer heavy torrent but that's not too hard with the more recently released stuff. Movies, being larger, will of course take longer but, that's just the way the internet works.

    91. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Unless your bandwidth is seriously lacking, you happen to be on the wrong side of a packet shaper (certain university networks) or, you >don't have the correct port(s) forwarded on your router, this should not be the case with BitTorrent music downloads

      I always hear this type of stuff , unless this, unless that , set this, set that, your fault, noob this, blah blah blah.

      straight download: total 650kb/sec - if less, add another file. simple.
      BT: some usually low random number, stopped, faster, 300k, stop, 1 file quick, others stop, crap crap crap.

      If I was on dialup, maybe OK.

    92. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many years ago, when I bought my first DVD player - twin disc Toshiba - certain specialist hifi shops offered them 'ready chipped'.

      My recent player is a cheap Philips which can play almost anything, dvd,sacd,divx,etc. straight from a standard high st. retailer. Mind you, I am in Hong Kong at the moment.

      I would never consider buying a restricted player or phone. It amazes me how many on here put up with some seriously crippled hardware, the US phones are unbelievable, yet whinge and whine about itunes. Wii ?

    93. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by catwh0re · · Score: 1
      As you'd understand stations around the world aren't run by one giant corportation. They are individual companies that aren't here to soley entertain you, they're about making some pretty big bucks. They buy content for the specific purpose of pairing the target market with advertising which they charge clients lots of money for.. Often stations will ask the annoying question: "What kind of viewer percentage increase can I expect from showing your show on my station?" They ask this because they need something solid to lure potential advertising clients with. The best answer a studio can give is "In USA this led to an x% increase in viewers from the target market." When programs are launched they are tested, often by various methods, but usually with "Pilot" episodes.

      Long-running programs e.g. Stargate/Startrek/other variation serials/etc are already proven in markets, so they don't need to be constantly retested with each variation. You can introduce a serial sequel in established markets in little time at all. If Stargate isn't getting launched in your country it has more to do with your local stations not believing there is sufficient cost/profit & benefit from running the show. If a studio can't sell their program into enough channels/countries production is suspended or axed entirely.

      This briefly touches the television economy, but it does a lot to explain why you get variation in times for programs to reach certain countries (if they reach the country at all.. remember there is content from every country that doesn't get sold into your own country.)

    94. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      Pratchett's current publisher in the US is HarperCollins.
      Although the books are now released at approximately the same time in the US as in the UK (and in a few cases a few days before the UK!) they have different covers. (Many American fans order the books from Canadian bookstores in order to get the Paul Kidby covers.)


      I was thinking more is the text the same. Or is the situation like the Harry Potter books which have different text in the US from everywhere else.
      The other thing which makes little sense is why the North American Free Trade Agreement does not make it trivial for Canadian (or Mexican) editions of books to be sold in the US. Apparently "free trade" is one of those terms which means something other than it's dictionary definition.

    95. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by mpe · · Score: 1

      As you'd understand stations around the world aren't run by one giant corportation.

      There certainly are transnationals in the TV broadcast business. e.g. News Corp.

    96. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, you're a n00b. That wasn't even implied in what they wrote..but you still thought to post it like they did write it.......... duh there are companies that own many stations....... but not one company that owns all of them.

    97. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by hkgroove · · Score: 1

      I got modded troll for my above comment, awesome! For that one mod who didn't understand: it was a sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek remark - allow me to explain:

      Amongst DJs and trainspotters (people who just stare at the DJ and try to find out what tracks I'm playing, not Ewen MacGregor) there's a constant huge genre / sub-genre debate. Techno is actually pretty specific in the sounds and layout of the track. As is house, trance, break beat, drum and bass. They're mostly a 4/4 layout, but you'd be surprised what a little syncopation or different thinking can do for a track.

      In each genre there's your good and bad music. It falls under every genre. Then each genre has its sub-genres. But all of these fall under dance / electronic dance music. You get your sweeping synths, annoying vocals and played out sounds that are used over and over again in the same key. You get little variety it seems. Unless you go digging - this was one of the big joys of buying vinyl (and still is for me) to find those different tracks that help round out my DJ set. But to the common person, "they all sound the same, like, Carson would never put this on TRL!"

      Anyway, I'm off track a bit - though you can say dance music to anything you can dance to, yeah, I can see from where you might be coming.

      EDM Guide - you've probably seen this before, but this shows how banal and trivial differences in genres / sub-genres can be.

    98. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by bishiraver · · Score: 1

      Not just anime conventions - Dir en Grey is doing a HUGE tour of the US right now. Pizzicato 5 opened for George Clinton.

      If Japanese bands were smart, they wouldn't tour to anime conventions... most of the people who go to the concerts there are more interested in screaming over pretty japanese men than buying a cd or a tshirt.

    99. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by koreth · · Score: 1

      Universal HD (available on DirecTV, possibly other places too) shows Battlestar Galactica in high-def, but they lag a fair bit behind the Sci-Fi schedule.

    100. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I'm a long-time electronic music (and dance music etc.) fan. Except I mostly go to dance, and to listen to good music - not to be a poser. I like all the genres - and I guess the factional warfare and competition just washes over me. I'm somewhat obvlivious to it, I guess. So in a way, I don't belong to any particular "tribe." This does get under the skin of some people who are all like "speedcore is the only techno I dance to" or "trance 4 evar!"

      Yeah, technically it is all dance music, and that's how I usually think about it... But these days "dance" gives the connotations of commercial house or pop - specifically Madonna and Kylie Minogue, I guess.

      Anyway, I guess I didn't pick up on your sarcasm, as I have zero snark levels when it comes to music - it's all good. Heh, it's always funny when I tell someone at a rave that I really like Country music. They react like you just took a big, sloppy dump in their stash of disco biscuits.

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    101. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by msp0 · · Score: 1

      Don't tech-no for an answer :)

    102. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      That's because Canadians are the chosen people Eh?

      Like that's what it's all aboot...

    103. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Ernesto+Alvarez · · Score: 1

      First, I might be the owner of an aircraft/cruise ship (long shot about ships, but people I know own aircraft, and airlines and cruise lines certainly have owners).

      But that's not what I'm pointing at. What I mean is that actually someone made the effort to put an "if" statement somewhere in the firmware when they could just dropped all checks, making it simpler and more reliable.

      Why would anyone making what esentially is a region free dvd player bother to check those two regions anyway? Even if the checks were still there and it was a bitmap that was changed, what would be the point? Do they really check it, or they say "1 to 6" to avoid confusing people?

      Has anyone pressed a R7 or R8 dvd and tried?
      (I'm not rich, so I just can't do it, but I'm getting curious about it)

    104. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by bandmassa · · Score: 1

      If you really knew what you were talking about, you would call it "electronica" and not need to be punished.

      (Sometimes I crack me up ;-/ )

      --
      "I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
    105. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 1

      No, it's house with a bit of jungle in it, man!

    106. Re:Licensing, licensing, licensing by theslug · · Score: 1

      Fortunatly I am from Canada and can take advantage of cheaper pricing. However, my complaint is an echo of yours, "access to other music". Unfortunatly Itunes-Canada sucks a** compared to the UK or US. (Never really checked out Japan - but I will after this post) and most of the time I have to simply patiently wait your use some P2P software instead. Though I've been wondering lately if I can get my greedy paws on an American credit card so that I can have the best of both worlds :) Then again, I'm sure there's somekind of govt. gestapo law that stops me from doing just that :P

  2. Nothing new... by sugapablo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the 60's, British and US releases had different songs on them.

    British had "With the Beatles" while an album with slightly different tracks called "Meet the Beatles" came out in the US.

    The British version of "Are You Experienced?" by Hendrix had additional songs, such as "Red House" which the record company felt would go over better in Britain than the US, even though it was a straight blues track and blues was born in the US. *shrugs*

    So while in the age of the internet, this seems silly, it's nothing new.

    1. Re:Nothing new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This practice was done (at least in the Beatle's case) to produce an extra album. Their earlier albums had 14 songs on the British releases but the American equivalents had only 12. They would eventually take these extra tracks and put out an additional album.

    2. Re:Nothing new... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Back in the 60's, British and US releases had different songs on them.

      British had "With the Beatles" while an album with slightly different tracks called "Meet the Beatles" came out in the US.

      The British version of "Are You Experienced?" by Hendrix had additional songs, such as "Red House" which the record company felt would go over better in Britain than the US, even though it was a straight blues track and blues was born in the US. *shrugs*

      So while in the age of the internet, this seems silly, it's nothing new.


      Right, its now 2007. Back in the 60s if you bought music, you pretty much had to listen to at least 1/2 an album at a time. In 2007, there is no reason a consumer in a free market cannot buy an electronic copy of all of the tracks from an album that is over 30 years old with a 50% probability that the creators of the music is dead.

      There is no reason I can't download any track for $0.10 to $0.99 of an over 30 year old Beatles track individually from iTunes. But being that the music people don't want to sell the stuff, that way we are forced to get it other ways.

    3. Re:Nothing new... by ruffnsc · · Score: 0

      I think its rediculous because they are making the assumption Americans only like a certain range of music. Kind of reminds me of that song by Elvis Costello "Radio, Radio" except in this case it can be called "iTunes, iTunes"

    4. Re:Nothing new... by butlerdi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The reason that the name was changed and an additional song or two added , different artwork whatever, was so that you went out and bought the "import" version as well....

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    5. Re:Nothing new... by NekSnappa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Back in the 60s if you bought music, you pretty much had to listen to at least 1/2 an album at a time.

      Actually I remember my older sisters having boxes of 45 rpm singles. It wasn't until cassettes and 8-track became predominate in the early 70's that you almost had to buy the whole collection of songs that comprised an album.

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    6. Re:Nothing new... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      The reason that the name was changed and an additional song or two added , different artwork whatever, was so that you went out and bought the "import" version as well....

      If that is true (I doubt it), that is a poor marketing decision. The label does not make any more money off of imports, the markup is really because it is imported. Remember, label's customers are distribution outlets, not you. You are there just to consume, be sued, or do nothing...

    7. Re:Nothing new... by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually I remember my older sisters having boxes of 45 rpm singles. It wasn't until cassettes and 8-track became predominate in the early 70's that you almost had to buy the whole collection of songs that comprised an album.

      Singles were a marketed item until the advent of the CD. Now that we have digital formats, the record labels simply don't want to sell singles at all. They even fought Apple, the leader in MP3 player sales, to "let" them sell MP3 singles, and then would only let them do it at a high price with DRM. Buying a Beatles single is still either impossible or very limited.

      An interesting piece of trivia here. Albums, with respect to music, mean a collection (like a photo album). Back "in the day" an album was a few 78 RPM discs bundled together. It wasn't until the advent of the 12" LP (long play) 33.3 RPM discs that an album was able to fit on one consumer playable media. That is why albums, records, vinyl, etc are synonymous.

    8. Re:Nothing new... by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      In the early seventies there were progressive radio stations (mostly on FM) that would just play whatever the DJ liked, usually but not limited to progressive rock, and always out of the ordinary. Often they would play an entire side of an LP uninterrupted. Everything you heard was something you'd never hear on the AM top-40 stations. Sadly, this format was displaced by AOR stations playing automated playlists circa 1975, and later, classic rock stations playing Smoke on the Water and China Grove how many times per day. It's never been the same.

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    9. Re:Nothing new... by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 1

      It's nothing new, but the changing technology has made the same behavior more ridiculous.

      In the old model, stores wouldn't stock every possible album, so it made sense to tailor albums to particular regions, so stores could buy the one most likely to be bought by their customers.

      Now there is, roughly speaking, one store. They can afford to stock everything, they have nothing to lose by doing so (in contrast to the limited physical space and economic investment an in-person store could use). Now, perhaps it still makes sense to market certain things to certain regions -- if I search for something, maybe it will tell me about certain results first, or maybe I'll need to do an extra click to find the more "obscure" music, but there's no fundamental reason (as opposed to legal/licensing conflicts that benefit nobody, leading only to fewer sales) not to let me buy things that aren't being marketed here.

      It is still the same old behavior, but the physical constraints that legitimized that behavior are now gone, and the behavior should change accordingly.

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    10. Re:Nothing new... by grahamdrew · · Score: 1

      They don't make any money off the import fees, but they still sell two copies of the album. LabelA UK and LabelA USA both make sales, instead of just one. Andrew Beard

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    11. Re:Nothing new... by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of my favourite stories...

      Three generations are gathered together at a reunion. The youngest is preparing dinner, a fine potroast. She takes the roast, dutifully cuts off each end of the roast as taught years ago by her mom, and puts it in the pan. She asks her mother "Mom, I never really understood that part, why do we always cut off the ends of the roast? It's perfectly good meat we're just throwing away."

      And the mother responds, "I don't know really, I always do it because that's the way Grandma taught *me*". So they decide to go out into the living room, and ask Grandma. And she replies... "I used to cut the ends off so the damn roast so it would fit inside the pan, you idiots".

      It is still the same old behaviour, but the physical constraints that legitimized that behaviour are now gone, and the behaviour should change accordingly. ;)

      I see this all the time in various ways. Online stores, software, you name it, various industries or designs clinging to behaviours that used to have physical limitations still doing things the same old way, even though they no longer have to.

      My wife and I just raise our eyebrows and whisper "potroast" to each other.

    12. Re:Nothing new... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Even the AOR stations in the late 70's through about the mid 80's played an order of magnitude wider selections than you can hear now. That's when I was listening to a lot of radio, and it was fun to tune to an AOR station and leave it on all night.

      Nowadays, I hear the average radio station has 400 songs in its entire playlist, which means it must repeat its entire catalog approximately every 2 days. I have an 80GB Neuros filled with almost 13000 songs (all legally purchased, about 85% on CD and the rest from eMusic.com). That means I have the equivalent of more than 32 entire radio stations... not counting the fact that the average song in my collection (lots of progressive, jazz, instrumental rock, etc) is probably more than twice that of what you hear on the radio. When's the last time you heard a good 20-minute epic on one of ClearChannel's mass-market-excretoria (i.e., radio stations)? Top that off with the fact that about 80% of my collection would never get played on the radio in the first place because we all know niche markets for radio are long gone. Ironically, I can put on the local "classic rock" station and 75% of what they play is in my music collection, but how many times can one hear the same 20 songs, no matter how good they are? From what I hear, even satellite radio is already undergoing this blandification process.

      Aside from stuff like C-Span... tell me again why I would ever listen to radio?

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    13. Re:Nothing new... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Now there is, roughly speaking, one store. They can afford to stock everything, they have nothing to lose by doing so (in contrast to the limited physical space and economic investment an in-person store could use).

      There might still be a limit. But a physical store would need to decide how many copies to stock. Thus stocking an additional copies of something would decrease the range they could carry.
      When you are copying data you only need to store one original regardless of how many customers you have. Thus you can stock both popular and obscure tracks.

    14. Re:Nothing new... by raddan · · Score: 1

      CD singles are still very common in radio/DJ community. In radio, a station will still get singles for radio play prior to the album release. In many cases, the label has still not finished the full album. Among DJs, particularly dance/club DJs, CD singles are popular for two reasons. 1) many dance artists do not produce full albums, and 2) the singles often contain so-called "B-sides", even though there really isn't a "B" side to a CD (although you are welcome to try playing the other side if you want). Vinyl is still an important medium in dance for the two previously mentioned reasons, but also because DJs like the tactile feel of vinyl records. There are still a few things you can't do with CD decks.

    15. Re:Nothing new... by TFloore · · Score: 1

      [pot roast story deleted]

      I've told that pot roast story for about 10 years now, I loved it when I first came across it. There's another one with a similar theme, too, but other than the end message, completely different.

      ===

      Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold water. After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result -- all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water.

      Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it - violently. Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

      Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth.

      Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

      After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here.

      ===

      Same message as the pot roast, yes?

      Incidentally, I have no idea if this actually works with monkeys... but looking around my job, I'm sure it works with people.

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    16. Re:Nothing new... by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      Amen. Classic rock is a dumbing-down of AOR. AOR was a dumbing-down of the progressive format. Most of the non-classical part of my music collection (400 or so CDs, at a rough guess, and a couple hundred old LPs and tapes) could find play on either a progressive or AOR station, but much of it would never be found on today's radio. Genesis before Phil Collins took over? Pink Floyd pre-DSotM? The Nice? King Crimson? Soft Machine? Forget it!

      I hope you're wrong about satellite radio because I'd like to try it out sometime.

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    17. Re:Nothing new... by onemorechip · · Score: 1

      Your story also illustrates why we need historians. Unfortunately they are usually ignored anyway...

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    18. Re:Nothing new... by jafac · · Score: 1

      Funny thing, but BSG's titles music is different in the US and European versions.

      And when you buy the season boxed DVD set in the US market, the Euro theme music is on there, not the US version. (personally - I didn't really like the version they picked for the US-televised series - and I really wonder why they did this differently).

      Then there's the famous "Harry Potter and the Stupid Americans' Stone"

      So while in the age of the internet, this seems silly, it's nothing new.

      Maybe it should be something old. . .

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    19. Re:Nothing new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife and I just raise our eyebrows and whisper "potroast" to each other.


      Whatever works for you man, whatever works...
  3. Devil's in the Contracts by necro81 · · Score: 4, Informative

    One possible reason why that insanely great band from Japan (love the hyperbole, by the way) can't have its songs show up in the U.S. version of iTMS is that the label that produced the music hasn't licensed Apple to sell it in the U.S. I'm not sure why that would be, but there are all kinds of idiotic details in music contracts. There may also be weird export and tariff issues at stake - different country, different laws. Ever notice that the import version of a CD on amazon tends to be 2x-3x more expensive than the domestic release, if you can even find it?

    1. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the label that produced the music hasn't licensed Apple to sell it in the U.S. I'm not sure why that would be

      Possibly because the label itself doesn't have rights to distribute the material in the US. There's often different publishers for different regions on the same medium.

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    2. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by mgblst · · Score: 0, Troll

      It really sounds like this issue was brought up by some teenager from japan, who recently move to the US.

      Firstly, these Japanese pop bands, just like pop bands outside of the two major music producing areas (USA and UK, with exceptions now and again), are very simple and derivative. Even by pop music standards. They are only really popular, because people want to hear songs in their own language.

      Secondly, just because Apple can sell those songs technically, doesn't mean they can legally. You addressed this issue.

      Slashdot, maybe we can stay away from the teenage blogs.

    3. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Funny

      >>>"Possibly because the label itself doesn't have rights to distribute the material in the US. There's often different publishers for different regions on the same medium."

      OR, think of the outrage from the industry if a Japanese track made #1 on the US charts.

    4. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by retrosteve · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My question is -- if I buy a Japanese CD through iTunes US, will I have to pay an "Import" price on it? Will it cost me 3x as much?

      Can I get the "domestic" price by switching to the iTunes Japan site?

      Are the bits cheaper that way?

      Well, of course not, since everything costs the same on iTunes. But I bet the labels would prefer it this way. This may be why those "import" tunes are just unavailable on the US store instead.

    5. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by JulesLt · · Score: 1

      And quite often it's the bands - typically the bands manager will ensure the publishing and distribution contracts are limited to specific territories. One reason behind that is that when you start out as an unknown in your home territory, it's difficult to negotiate a great contract, but once you've got success, you can get better deals in a second territory. Of course, these days the nature of the business has changed dramatically - but I think it would be wrong for Apple to force publishing companies (and therefore musicians) into global contracts, much as it may benefit US consumers.

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    6. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Llywelyn · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Ever notice that the import version of a CD on amazon tends to be 2x-3x more expensive than the domestic release, if you can even find it?

      It actually is often cheaper to order the CD from the local amazon (e.g., amazon.jp) and have it ship them to you.

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    7. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by faust2097 · · Score: 1

      Fortunately for the major labels they have the US pop charts completely sewn up and it's impossible to have a #1 single without giant piles of marketing money and *cough* "independent promotional fees".

    8. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      Guess some j-pop fans caught mod points today. I feel your pain about Japanese music, though. "Insanely great " might be stretching things.

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    9. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by eriklou · · Score: 0

      The point is not about Jap pop but about the ability to buy previously limited music. If I wanted to hear a British, for example, band I couldn't simply get out of my chair state side and walk over to Great Britain and start browsing like I can now. Walking, of course, is now the "Internet."

    10. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by mgblst · · Score: 1

      It really sounds like this issue was brought up by some teenager from japan, who recently move to the US.

      Firstly, these Japanese pop bands, just like pop bands outside of the two major music producing areas (USA and UK, with exceptions now and again), are very simple and derivative. Even by pop music standards. They are only really popular, because people want to hear songs in their own language.

      Secondly, just because Apple can sell those songs technically, doesn't mean they can legally. You addressed this issue.

      Slashdot, maybe we can stay away from the teenage blogs.

      Guess some j-pop fans caught mod points today. I feel your pain about Japanese music, though. "Insanely great " might be stretching things.

       
      Maybe I was a bit harsh, I don't hate j-pop anymore than any other pop music. I thought that it was generally agreed about how bad pop music is in all countries. I guess not. Sorry that I upset someones sensibilities.

      I am used to being sent to 0, but not so fast.

    11. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by jrockway · · Score: 1

      If we're going to generalize like that, I would say that calling any American music good is also insane. 99% of commercial music is crap, regardless of country. Stupidity is global.

      However, I don't see any modules on CPAN for non-Japanese bands:

      Acme::MorningMusume

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    12. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by SethraLavode · · Score: 1

      Ever notice that the import version of a CD on amazon tends to be 2x-3x more expensive than the domestic release, if you can even find it?

      Amazon does have a bit of a markup, but to be fair, in many cases the CD costs more in the country of release than it would domestically. In Japan, for example, albums usually sell for the equivalent of $30-$40 (thanks to a higher cost of living and certain license fees and taxes).

    13. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Miseph · · Score: 1

      But you forget, J-Pop is great because it's from Japan. Being Japanese gives something the equivalent of +5 Insightful because everything about or from Japan is automatically better than the counterpart.

      Japan is a utopia guys, a place without racism (just ask any Marine who has spent time in Okinawa...), well connected and outrageously violent organized crime (Yakuza who?), poverty and homelessness (that guy sleeping on the bench isn't homeless, he just wants to sleep on a bench, and don't offer him food, shelter, or spare change, because that is a very severe insult to his honor... besides, everybody knows that it's illegal to be homeless, and the police would arrest him if he were), or draconian anti-pornography laws (well, except for the part about no pubic hair).

      Pass the Pocky and turn up the Arashi.

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    14. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 1

      "Insanely Great" wasn't hyperbole, it was a humourous reference to Apple's old advertising campaign of the same name.

    15. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by bladx · · Score: 1

      I would think something like Yuki's "Joy" single would be something that would make #1 on the US charts. (it's on youtube and google video, or at this site: http://www.transbuddha.com/index.php/buddha/commen ts/5907/)

    16. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by looselectron · · Score: 1

      I only feel pain when I have to hear J-pop music, sanks yuu tsu za Engrish in much songu. Also, if Japanese engineers mastered CDs with a little less high and more bass, I'd have lots of CDs by Japanese artists in my collection. Insane bands over here are common enough, but "great" bands are few and far between.

    17. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Triv · · Score: 1

      This is insanely OT, but in re: your sig:

      The song's called "Crazy 'Bout Christmas". It was a novelty song produced by a dude named Dale Baglo; apparently he's made quite the career doing things like this.

      Google helped - here's the page that I turned up with that info on it (though for all I know, you're the one who started that thread - if so, change your damned sig). :)

      Hope that helps.

      --Triv

    18. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It actually is often cheaper to order the CD from the local amazon (e.g., amazon.jp) and have it ship them to you.

      Last time I did this, to send a book to an open source developer in Belgium, IIRC, it was really hard to do. I had to go through the menus in a language I didn't understand by loading up a US Amazon site side-by-side.

      Has this gotten any better? I don't understand why Amazon ships to foreign counties from the US warehouse if you order on the US store to a foreign address where an Amazon warehouse exists. Intra-Amazon turf battles?

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    19. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 1

      Aw frickin' son of a bitch. I missed it! *argh* Looks like he had it for free download, but it's gone now.

      I've been looking for that song for over 15 years.

      I had found that page in the past, but all it had at that time was other folks like me, looking for the song. Thanks though, some good solid leads.

    20. Re:Devil's in the Contracts by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If we're going to generalize like that, I would say that calling any American music good is also insane. 99% of commercial music is crap, regardless of country. Stupidity is global.

      While it's true that stupidity is global, business practices vary greatly between countries and cultures. For instance, businesses in Western European countries like Denmark are generally thought to be more above-board than businesses in countries where corruption and lawlessness is rampant, such as Russia, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, and the USA. Surely America's business culture (especially the practices of the RIAA members) has an effect on the music commonly available here, making it worse than in other places.

  4. Isn't it the record labels doing it? by dorzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it the record labels limited things?

    I seem to have seen a post about that at some point on Apple's discussions boards.

    From that, iTunes works with the whoever hold the distributions rights in that country. If those bands don't have a U.S. distributor.

    One band I like "Growing Old Disgracefully" recently made the jump from the U.K., to the U.S. iTunes store by working with CD Baby.

    1. Re:Isn't it the record labels doing it? by KFW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. Apple/iTunes is an easy target, but they're obliged by their contract. This is the same reason that iTunes was available in different countries at different times - it took a while to negotiate the contracts (even in the EU each country's music distributor had to be negotiated with seperately). Honestly, do you think Apple wants to turn away money? I don't believe iTunes is the only store with this issue. So while there are a lot of legitimate complaints about iTunes (esp. the DRM, which isn't entirely driven by the studios), this article was just a cheap shot at an easy target.
      /K

  5. Music marketing doesn't understand ubiquity by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

    The folks in charge of the music industry have a view formed by decades of paying for bands to record, then pressing a bunch of records. That makes a barrier to carrying an artists' work. Currently, the only barrier is the addition of more data to a database - nearly zero cost.

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    1. Re:Music marketing doesn't understand ubiquity by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      I'm not even sure the barriers existed even then. I enjoy the music of Tom Lehrer[1], and he has done reasonably well without the backing of a label. He began singing to a few friends at parties for his own enjoyment, was persuaded to sing at clubs and later got a run of records pressed privately. He never advertised, and his records were all sold by word-of-mouth marketing. I came across his music because my parents owned two of his LPs. They live in the UK, so word of mouth had travelled a long way (apparently Princess Margaret was a fan, which helped his popularity in the UK). He now sells a CD boxed set of his complete recordings, which I have bought and enjoyed.

      His later records were published by Reprise Records, but they did not enter the picture until he was already fairly well known and had self-published some LPs. His decision to sign with a record label seems to have been mostly motivated by laziness; he couldn't be bothered to handle the distribution himself, because it wasn't something he found interesting. The barrier to entry was small enough that he could do if himself, it was just more convenient for someone else to do it for him. These days it's even easier, but it wasn't very difficult even in the '50s.


      [1] Definitely music-for-geeks; a Harvard mathematician singing satirical songs in the 50s and 60s.

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  6. Unfortunately, but hardly marketing by Holmwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    Music is licensed on a per-country basis. Often, different organizations/people hold the rights in different countries. A Canadian band, for instance, might keep (or buy back) Canadian rights, but a major label would have the US rights, and a Europeans subsidiary of that label -- or another label altogether -- might have the European rights.

    Selling all music globally is something no one's ready for legally, and probably won't be for years, given the glacial rate at which the *AA's seem to be evolving to embrace new technologies and opportunities.

    Holmwood.

    1. Re:Unfortunately, but hardly marketing by Cauchy · · Score: 1

      Hence, the supposed justification for region codes on DVD. Though the more skeptical amongst us might believe that region coding is to allow for 'more efficient' pricing around the world.

  7. It's probably a legal decision. by foxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple has contracts with various record houses that allow Apple to sell their music.

    Sadly, while the Internet is world-wide and country borders are merely speedbumps, the legal world hasn't figured that one out yet...

    So their deals with Japanese record houses probably only allow Apple to sell their music in Japan.

    Seems short-sighted to me. If you're making a deal with the guys who sell 80% of the online music sold, why not let them sell to as many people as possible instead of holding back rights? You get a cut on each...

    1. Re:It's probably a legal decision. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Many times, the record company has already sold off the overseas rights, so you have to make negotiations with each region. It may also be that it's a subsidiary of the main company, and they still want their cut, so you negotiate on a per-country basis.

    2. Re:It's probably a legal decision. by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      Check the temperature in certain nether-worlds, I'm going to offer a small defense for the record companies. In show-business distribution rights allocated by territory are standard. As an example, in order to get financing for a film, the producers may sell North American distribution rights to one company and European distribution rights to another. If you were a distributor, what would you think about the rights you purchased when your possible customers may download it from a retailer in another territory, especially as that retailer is giving a cut to their territory's distributor?

      Once again, as noted elsewhere, radically new media means the entertainment business model needs to be rethought.

  8. Marketing? No. Legals by blowdart · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It has nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with the selling rights granted to stores. A label in the US tends to only have the rights to sell the track in the US (and Canada). Labels in the UK usally can only sell in the UK. Even if the labels are global you still need to gain the rights to sell from EMI UK (to sell to the British), EMI France (to sell to France) and so on and you are constrained by the limits placed on you when you are granted the rights by the label.

    This has been the situation for years and is not just limited to digital music. And it's been discussed on slashdot before, on why it took Apple so long to open iTunes outside the US, why the Zune store is US only and so on.

    1. Re:Marketing? No. Legals by jonwil · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is, in this world where large companies of all kinds make so much noise over globalization, why cant we have a world where instead of there being an "EMI France" and a "EMI US" and a "EMI Australia", there is just "EMI" and which country an item is sold in is no longer relavent.

      I suppose that will happen the same day as airline pilots report seeing pigs out the window, the devil has to place an order for warm jackets because hell has just frozen over, osama bin laden walks into the US base in Kabul with a signed confession showing that he ordered the 9/11 attacks and Microsoft releases the source code to Windows under the GPL :)

    2. Re:Marketing? No. Legals by Chief+Camel+Breeder · · Score: 1

      "I suppose that will happen the same day as airline pilots report seeing pigs out the window, [...]"

      Flying pigs and music promotion: been done. A giant, inflatable pig was flown for the cover art of one of the Floyd albums (Animals, IIRC). It got loose from its tethers and floated into the Heathrow Airport approaches...

  9. It's the licensing, stupid by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Ever song is licensed by a different company in different geographical regions. Those firms are typically under an international umbrella group, but that doesn't change anything. General Electric Canada sells different products than General Electric (US), and no-one finds that odd, so I'm not sure why anyone would be remotely surprised here.

    Maury

  10. For an iTunes J-Pop/J-Rock fix by realinvalidname · · Score: 5, Informative

    JList/JBox has been selling Japanese iTunes cards for some time, and frequently advertise them in their ads in magazines like NewType USA. Right next to the hentai/bishoujo games and Domo-kun plushies.

  11. Uh, it's the Record Companies by MacBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean come on! Do you really think it has anything to do with Apple itself not letting you hear the song? Oh yes, Apple engages in musical censorship. It's the record companies, people. If a band doesn't have a record distribution deal in the US, then guess what! you can't buy their music on iTunes either.

    1. Re:Uh, it's the Record Companies by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1
      I mean come on!
      Wait a minute.. what did you say?
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    2. Re:Uh, it's the Record Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's blaming Apple? I think this is worth discussing - why do things work this way? Why do the record companies feel the need for this model?

    3. Re:Uh, it's the Record Companies by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 2, Informative
      Who's blaming Apple?

      Um, look at the headline...

  12. It's about copyright ending at the border by dschuetz · · Score: 4, Informative

    why shouldn't iTunes be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly? Is this simply a marketing decision?

    It *should* be a simple, global, find-it-and-buy-it repository. Unfortunately, the way that copyright has been worked, the right to sell a particular work (music, movie, tv show) only extends to a country's borders. If you want to sell that work in another nation, you have to somehow acquire the rights to sell there as well.

    This used to be a real problem trying to buy import albums and CDs. If a particular overseas-only album had a local rights-owner who didn't have the title in print, that rights-owner could prevent you from importing the CD for purchase. (Naturally, they could also prevent you from importing if they *did* have it in print, but generally then you wouldn't want the import in the first place.) This didn't always happen in practice, but it did make things more difficult at times.

    Today, they try to restrict trans-national media purchases via things like region coding.

    Honestly, I think this is another of the ridiculously outdated aspects of copyright law that really needs to change. In my mind, if I purchase a legally-produced copy of a CD or DVD (or iTunes download), then somehow, somewhere, somewhen the artist was compensated for that purchase. Maybe not directly, and maybe not for that exact purchase, but at some point the artist's rights to sell the track were transfered to someone else who got money from me. It shouldn't matter if I'm buying a German pressed CD while visiting in Japan and holding a US passport. As long as the German CD was produced with the approval (or delegated approval) of the original artist/rights-holders, then it should be treated as legitimate and proper.

    Of course, if you've got a situation where some country is permitting the sale of tracks for which the original artists have *not* delegated their rights to whomever made the [cd, dvd, file], then that shouldn't be permitted. Certainly, this isn't what's happening in Japan, but it is sort of what happened with AllOfMP3 (or so I understand -- I haven't followed that too closely).

    I believe this is also why it's taken so long for new iTunes stores to open in new countries. It's not just a matter of arranging the financial-side of things for handling payments, currency conversions, etc., or even of getting servers and such set up for faster local access, but I bet a whole lot of it is securing the appropriate approvals from whomever "owns" the publishing rights for each track in that country.

    1. Re:It's about copyright ending at the border by FellowConspirator · · Score: 1

      This was (more or less) true until 1996. In that year the US became signatory to the World Intellectual Property Organization International Copyright Treaty. Under those new rules, all such restrictions are eliminated as was legal protection for region-based access control (like region-coding).

      It's not that companies don't artificially segment the market for marketing reasons -- they do. There's still region codes on DVDs today despite the treaty basically saying that the countries agree to not enforce any law that validates or protects the practice (e.g., you can legally circumvent the region-locking of DVDs).

      Today, market regionalization is nothing more than an artifact. It's simply a gentlemen's agreement to not dilute local markets with foreign content which might compete with the local stuff. I'm sure that in the case of iTunes, Apple has been requested to maintain the artifice as a condition for the rights to resell the content. The practical result being that consumers see a view of the music scene prepared carefully prepared by the industry for local consumption to maximize profit.

    2. Re:It's about copyright ending at the border by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      No.

      The treaty you're thinking of didn't do anything to importation rights, and has required things like anticircumvention rights. (The way that the IP interests get more protection in the US without much debate here is to get our diplomats to support it, put it in treaties, to get the treaties ratified, and then Congress is told to make the necessary laws so that we can live up to our treaty obligations; it's kind of a back door)

      Frankly, no copyright treaty has ever done anything good for the public, and we'd be a lot better off trashing all of them and simply adopting the idea of unilateral national treatment without minimum standards, and informal cooperation to ensure that however two countries implemented their copyright laws, they didn't conflict such that an author was forced to choose between two exclusive copyrights.

      Copyrights remain national, imports remain prohibitable, and market licenses remain perfectly enforceable.

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    3. Re:It's about copyright ending at the border by mpe · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I think this is another of the ridiculously outdated aspects of copyright law that really needs to change.

      Except that those who bought the copyright laws don't think things are "outdated". Indeed the whole "region coding" thing is fairly recent.

  13. No surprise... by Sqweegee · · Score: 0

    "why shouldn't iTunes be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly? Is this simply a marketing decision?"

    I imagine thats exactly what it is, a marketing decision. The average customer has very minor interest in foreign music (i.e. in a language they don't understand) so rather than inundating them with the latest hits from around the globe they stick with what will sell thousands of copies, not 10-20.

    Of course they are losing out on business if you can't even search for these bands in certain areas, but there may be licensing and copyright issues for them to consider also.

  14. No, it's a label decision. by l-ascorbic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a big scary conspiracy. They need to be granted rights for each territory by the labels. They evidently don't have US licences for all the japanese stuff. But if you prefer you can pretend that the government is stopping Apple corrupt the nation's youth with cheesy J-pop.

    1. Re:No, it's a label decision. by polar+red · · Score: 0, Troll

      They evidently don't have US licences for all the japanese stuff. So, you need a license to be able to sell music ???? Is this 1984 ?
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    2. Re:No, it's a label decision. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      What a stupid comment.

      If you do something that would otherwise be copyright infringement, a good way to protect yourself is to get a license -- i.e. permission -- from the relevant copyright holder. For example, if I want to make and publish copies of a Japanese song in the US, I need to find the person in Japan that owns the US copyright, and get permission from them to make and publish copies in the US. As a practical matter, they won't give me that license unless I pay them for it. It could be that between how much they want for it, how much I'm willing to pay for it, how much I can make if I get the license, how much I could make if I did something else, and the transactional costs involved (e.g. the cost of tracking the other person down, going to Japan, getting a translator, etc.), it might not be worthwhile.

      But no one is talking about anything like a business license, or a driver's license, you idiot.

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    3. Re:No, it's a label decision. by clacke · · Score: 1

      It _is_ a big scary conspiracy. But we're so used to it, we don't see it that way anymore.

      I actually wanted to buy the season pass for Battle Star Galactica. Turns out I'm not eligible, since I live in Europe, and BSG is only sold in the American iTunes Store. Good thing there are functional anti-conspiracy networks out there working hard for our freedom to watch cool space fights without having to wait for the DVD release.

    4. Re:No, it's a label decision. by polar+red · · Score: 1

      Still it's ridiculous, if you can buy product X from company Y, company Y shouldn't be imposing restrictions on what you do with it, and that includes reselling it. It's your property after all. A free market ... yeah rite.

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    5. Re:No, it's a label decision. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      I agree, but there is a difference between selling music, which is what you initially said, and which is what the article is about, and reselling music, which is something you've only just now brought up.

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    6. Re:No, it's a label decision. by polar+red · · Score: 1

      Isn't itunes doing just that ? Apple doesn't make the music don't they ?

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    7. Re:No, it's a label decision. by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      No.

      What we're talking about is selling copies, and copies are defined in the law as tangible objects. A copy isn't the same as a creative work. A piece of music is a creative work, but it can subsist in any of a number of different kinds of copies, e.g. sheet music, a CD, a cassette tape, a hard drive, a memory chip. The same work can be present in only one copy, or in millions of copies simultaneously. The copy is just a medium that has a message written on it. A blank CDR isn't a copy, but once a work has been written to it, it is a copy. One tangible object can be a copy for many different works simultaneously (e.g. a hard drive that has a bunch of ripped music on it is a copy of each of those works).

      So it's easy for a record store to sell copies; the CDs are tangible objects, made in a factory. They buy the CDs from the publisher and sell them.

      But Apple can't do that. There's no way to send a tangible object like an actual plastic and metal compact disc through the Internet. Instead, they can only send the creative work. The person who downloads it is licensed (by Apple, which has the power and permission to do so as part of its license from the copyright holders) to make a copy by writing that information to their computer's RAM, hard drive, etc. Apple sells access to creative works and permission to make copies of those works. But they don't sell copies, and they certainly don't resell copies.

      That there is a colloquial definition of the word copy isn't relevant. All that matters is the legal definition for copyright law purposes, and it's as I've described it.

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  15. Bollywood Music by xRelisH · · Score: 1

    The reason why Apple doesn't have the worlds music on iTunes is probably because it takes a lot of work to get Record Companies to sign on and whatnot and the time taken to accomplish that might be better utilized on some other things for now at least.

    However, I think it would be very beneficial for iTunes to start offering things from Bollywood (movies and music, priced to compete with local stores). I think India is one of the few places where the movie industry isn't going (relatively) downhill.

  16. YMCK! by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    While they may not be "insanely great", one of the Japanese bands I've found a while ago that I enjoy listening to is YMCK. Its a chiptune band, so it sounds like old Nintendo music combined with vocals. I can't understand the lyrics, or not much of them anyways, but its fun to listen to. Samples are available on their website (linked to in the above wiki article).

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  17. Is this simply a marketing decision?" by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    Probably,

    I mean, are US youngsters (who undoubtably make up the bulk of the iTunes music store purchases) really ready for Japanese tunes such as "Yatta"?

    I mean, won't somebody think of the children!

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  18. This is the same from canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Canada we have iTunes also, but we have a greatly reduced selection of music, Most of what is available on the US iTunes site is not available in Canada. It Pisses me off that the big music groups seem to think that we don't like US music...

    1. Re:This is the same from canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ongoing determination of the entertainment industry to treat Canada and the US as mutually alien markets is crazy. OK, maybe they can't retroactively fix things done in the past for already-released material, but going forward for new music (and movies, and videogames), it's ridiculous. ESPECIALLY in cases where the respective national license-holders ARE OWNED BY THE SAME MULTINATIONAL PARENT COMPANY ANYWAY (ie, Sony).

      The only halfway plausible explanation I can think of is that the government ministry in charge of promoting Canadian culture has a hand in it somehow. Supposedly, back when Sirius and XM were negotiating terms for launching in Canada, they both tried to get the government to agree to let them just play more Canadian artists network-wide in lieu of the Canada-only English channels (arguing that it would be good for Canadian artists by massively increasing their commercial exposure). Apparently, they were told point blank that the Canadian government doesn't WANT Canadian artists to become "too popular" in the US, on the theory that massive commercial success in America somehow taints them and makes their music less authentically-Canadian...

  19. Vox Populi by AltGrendel · · Score: 1
    "Voice of the People"

    The point of publicizing this is not that it's happening, it may be that if enough consumers say "Hey, why not let us have the access to purchase that" the companies involved will work something out. So the article could be trying to get the word out so /.'ers and other iTunes users contact Apple and demand access.

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  20. I wanted to buy "American Pie" by hsmith · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    But, you can only purchase it with the entire album, which I did not want. So, instead of getting my $0.99, I went and downloaded it for free.

    Stop pulling that stupid shit, i don't mind paying for music but don't try and fuck me.

    1. Re:I wanted to buy "American Pie" by eltonito · · Score: 2, Funny

      Waaaaah! Oh, so sorry that you are upset with iTunes because Don McLean or his label requires that Apple sell you the entire album instead of the one popular song he has to his name. What an injustice!

      Petulance is no excuse for engaging in illegal activity and then acting like a jackass. If you don't like it then go buy the single somewhere else.... what? It's out of print? How dare those bastards pull shit like letting a single from 30 years ago go out of print!

      Contrary to popular belief, it is not your god-given right to take your Chevy to the levee for free.

    2. Re:I wanted to buy "American Pie" by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Contrary to popular belief, it is not your god-given right to take your Chevy to the levee for free.

      It's not anybody's god given right to make laws to stop me either.

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    3. Re:I wanted to buy "American Pie" by WMD_88 · · Score: 1

      You can get "American Pie" by itself. Instead of going to the entry for the namesake album, go instead to "Don McLean's Greatest Hits" (fancy that). From that album, you can buy any one song, including American Pie.

    4. Re:I wanted to buy "American Pie" by blugu64 · · Score: 1

      Bah, Used record shop. I got my copy for $.50.

      For the Album, and for the record it sounds good enough for me not to know the difference between it and a cd.

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  21. Yes, it's licensing by iainl · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out, it's because a band's music is licenses to a publisher in one country, but that publisher may not have rights elsewhere in the world. So they only sell distribution rights in turn to Apple for the relevant country's store, because they don't own them for worldwide distribution.

    To even out the flamewar somewhat, this is exactly the same reason you Americans can download films from the XBox Live Marketplace, but I can't with a UK account. There are ways around that, too, although Microsoft keep making rumbles about dire consequences if you try.

    Mind you, there's also the small issue that if I could buy music from the US iTunes Store, I'd be paying $0.99 a track, rather than the rather more expensive £0.79 for the exact same data file. I can't see Apple being too keen on that bit.

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  22. how is this limiting choice? by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If Borders books refuses to sell a CD, is this limiting choice? Does borders book exist as the sole music purveyor in any market? Can't a consumer just go next door and get the music from someone else? Same thing for tower records. The few times I have been to a tower, and there are none in my town, it was a fun place to shop but the indies that existed then had a better selection of non-mainstream records. At the end of they day, it is not like WalMart censoring music, which does have an effect becuase Wal Mart does strive to be the only retailer across a number of markets and demographics.

    A more accurate presentation might be that DRM and restrictive licensing is limiting the choice of music, which does have an element of truth, and Apple does bear some responsibility. But even this is far from unclear. If we are talking about music downloads, the only thing effecting music choice is the artist, not Apple. Apple certainly effects exposure, but not choice, except in the sense that one cannot choose what one does not know.

    But certainly anyone can go onto a P2P network an download music, and it will play on the iPod and work in iTunes. Any artist can go to Youtube and upload a video. If a song is insanely great, it will generate insanely great buzz, and people will hear it.

    I also wonder about the definition of insanely great music, and people expecting have such music handed to them on a gold platter. We are so used to having sanitized music spoon fed to us. The ability to download music is just going to exacerbate this problem, and lead to the increasingly sanitized of music. A better article would be how increased music delivery in destroying insanely great local music, and replacing it with moderately interesting sanitized corporate music.

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    1. Re:how is this limiting choice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but what if i own an ipod?

      ipod owners arent allowed to buy japanese music online? bleh...

    2. Re:how is this limiting choice? by Americano · · Score: 1
      At the end of they day, it is not like WalMart censoring music, which does have an effect becuase Wal Mart does strive to be the only retailer across a number of markets and demographics.
      Actually, at the end of the day, Wal Mart "censoring" music doesn't make much of a difference either, since there is no legal restriction that prevents you from buying the uncensored versions elsewhere, either. You just don't buy them at Wal Mart -- you buy it online via Amazon, or Barnes & Noble, or any of the other million retailers on the web. Or you go to your local indie, or small music store like Record Town, FYE, Strawberries, Newbury Comics, etc. Last I saw, three of those music-and-movie-only stores were thriving just fine right around the corner from a 24hr/7day super WalMart in the town where I grew up.

      What WalMart offers is the "Think Of The Kids!!!!!" solution -- parents buying music at WalMart can assume that it is *probably* sanitized for their children's protection, and anything they buy at WalMart will probably be "Top-40" pop music that their kid will probably like, because it's the same thing everybody else is listening to in their 7th grade history class. WalMart isn't trying to carry every CD ever released, they're trying to carry the ones they can sell huge volumes of and make a good profit on. Think Britney Spears & Justin Timberlake, not "the entire back catalog of this obscure J-Pop group that will sit there gathering dust until the only otaku for 50 miles in any direction comes into the store."

      For the people who actually want the curse words, drugs, sex, and violence left in their music, there are plenty of alternatives, even in WalMart-dominated small-town america. WalMart only has the power it is given by consumers -- just like Borders, Tower, and Virgin. If consumers stopped buying CDs at WalMart tomorrow, you can bet that within 2 months, WalMart would either stop selling CDs and use the space to sell other products, or start selling the CDs that consumers want to buy.
  23. Another legal way to buy Japanese music by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know of another legal way to buy Japanese music. You can buy Japanese CDs in an English web page at
    http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/
    I have no financial interest in this company. I am merely an occasional customer. Of course, if you are under, say, 25 years old, the idea of actually buying a CD will be anathema to you as you'll have to wait for it to arrive by mail and you'd rather slit your emo wrists than do anything that doesn't lead to instant gratification. And if you want to just buy individual tracks, this isn't the answer you were looking for either. However, if you are over 30 years old and not afflicted with ADD, this might be an option for you should want to purchase that CD that is only available in Japan. Sometimes Japanese CDs come with bonus tracks not released in other markets (usually this means the US), so hardcore fans of various Western singers/groups might be interested in Japanese CDs for that reason too.

    1. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Sometimes Japanese CDs come with bonus tracks not released in other markets (usually this means the US), so hardcore fans of various Western singers/groups might be interested in Japanese CDs for that reason too.

      People think that the only thing coming out of japan is manufactured pop (and a lot of it is, it's worse than America in some genres over there with entire groups dedicated to nothing but churning out idol after idol) but Japan seems to be where a lot of Western 80's musicians go to die or something. A while back Pet Shop Boys released a Japan-exclusive album, and they're not alone in doing this. I visited on a company trip back in 2001 and record stores at the time were advertising some Whitney Houston album as #1 (I assume it was #1 in some chart or another, all I could read was her name and #1 ;) Apparently right now, country music is really big in certain niches.

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    2. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      That's not necessarily legal. It could easily run afoul of 17 USC 602(b), or not, depending on precisely what occurs in Japan. So it's a bit of a crapshoot.

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    3. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

      I am not a lawyer, but on what do you base this supposed infringement of title 17?

      From 17 602(b):

      In a case where the copies or phonorecords were lawfully made, the United States Customs Service has no authority to prevent their importation unless the provisions of section 601 are applicable.
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    4. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      You need to look at the whole subsection, and not just cherry-pick:

      In a case where the making of the copies or phonorecords would have constituted an infringement of copyright if this title had been applicable, their importation is prohibited.

      It doesn't matter if it's lawful according to the laws of the country where it was made, it matters if it would have been lawful had the laws of that country been the same as US copyright law. So if it was made relying on a provision in the local copyright law that has no counterpart in our law, the import is banned. The part you cited indicates that if it would still have been lawful had US laws applied, then the importation is okay.

      The idea is that if a US copyright is to be of any value, we can't allow it to be undercut by imports. Suppose that in Pottsylvania, it's legal for anyone to make and sell CDs of other people's musical compositions and sound recordings if they pay a compulsory license to the copyright holder, rather than getting permission from the copyright holder. While those CDs would be perfectly legal to make in Pottsylvania, since the US has no such compulsory license, it wouldn't be legal to make them here. If we allowed the imports, then the value of the US copyright would be diminished since no one would ever bother to get permission (under the US system) but would instead just go the Pottsylvania route. So we bar importation that would have a negative effect on our system.

      By and large, I expect that 602(b) wouldn't bar most imports from Japan. But it might bar some, and so I wouldn't say that any import from Japan is invariably going to be legal to bring here.

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    5. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Of course, if you are under, say, 25 years old, the idea of actually buying a CD will be anathema to you as you'll have to wait for it to arrive by mail and you'd rather slit your emo wrists than do anything that doesn't lead to instant gratification.

      And if you're over, say, 30 years old, the idea of downloading music seems like scary voodoo as music is supposed to be a plastic disc instead of data, and you'd rather yell at kids to get off your lawn than do anything to save natural resources.

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    6. Re:Another legal way to buy Japanese music by Firefly1 · · Score: 1
      Also in this vein: Otaku.com.
      Now, aside from JPop and, as a sibling post noted, certain 80s bands, you can get lots of good game music from that side of the Pac - most recently, I scored the Project Sylpheed OST and the Gunslinger Girl Game Sound Album (a collection of music from the three games spawned by the eponymous anime). This brings me to another observation: why don't such game music luminaries as Jeremy Soule (Total Annihilation) and Frank Klepacki (Command & Conquer) seen to get as much exposure here as their Japanese counterparts do?
      And speaking of JPop, since The Idolm@ster is a Namco game, I for one think it'd be awesome if they came out with special versions of certain Ace Combat tracks with the girls doing the vocals. Specifically:
      • 'Megalith - Agnus Dei' (Ace Combat 4)
      • 'Journey Home' (Ace Combat 5)
      • 'The Unsung War' (Ace Combat 5)
      • 'Zero' (Ace Combat Zero)
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  24. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all of you arguing "because of licensing issues", please explain this: What is the advantage (for the band, OR the label) of not licensing a track to be sold in the US (or Europe) by anyone?

    We are not talking about Apple not being allowed to sell the tracks, because it's on Zune Store (or whatever), but the tracks not being available anywhere. "Licensing issues" does not explain it, because somewhere someone made the decision to NOT license it. It's not a mountain we are talking about, licensing issues don't just exist by themselves, they are created by humans.

    So, why don't they want us to hear the music? Why don't they want our money?

    "It's not just a question of changing a value in a database" Yes it is. It's as simple as that someone who makes the decision calling Apple, and saying "Hey, could you add everywhere we are not already selling this to the list?". It may not earn shitloads of money, but the money they do make will be for free. The work has already been done.

    1. Re:Question by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes it is
      No it isn't. Complex webs of contracts have been set up. You might imagine the studio has complete control over its tracks but it doesn't. A simple example: They may have signed various types of contract with a variety of distributors all over the world. If studio X has given distributor Y exclusive rights to song Z in country W for a certain time then X might not be able to sell the song on iTunes because Apple then becomes a competing distributor to Y breaking the exclusivity contract. Sure, X might want to sell the song, but it's not in Y's interest to let them do so.
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    2. Re:Question by blowdart · · Score: 1
      OK I shall try to explain.

      Rights are complicated, they are not owned by a single person. The tune and lyrics authors and/or their publishers own authors' rights, which is the classic copyright. The artist that performs that music has certain perfomer 'related rights'. Finally the record label typically owns the copyright or producer's related rights in the particular recording of the song (and generally paid for the recording of that song).

      A label may not have a distribution network in another country; so what happens is the artist, or the label grant redisribution rights to another label/company. EMI UK, for example, may license EMI US to distribute tracks in the US; but it needs the agreement with every rights owner for a track. EMI the parent company holds no rights, it's EMI UK, EMI US, Parlaphone etc that own the rights. Now getting everyone to agree is sometimes an exercise in herding cats, as renumeration will change on a per country basis.

      So it not as simple as changing a flag; it needs everyone's agreement. And contracts. And methods put in place to make sure rights payments are made.

    3. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we can just use emule. In this day and age if they can't figure out how to sell tracks, we will just get them from another source.

  25. Bullsh*t. It's not Apple's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my experience, it extends to *ALL* electronic music stores out there and it is one of the reasons I don't like pay-to-download music that much. Besides the lesser quality, incomplete catalogues, partial albums (${deity}, do I hate that!), and so forth, all these virtual music stores have brought us back to before the internet when it comes to buying music. Artificial barriers have been erected for reasons I can't fathom right now, that prevent me from purchasing downloadable music from outside my country of residence. Whilst I can order a rare *PHYSICAL* cd from, say, www.fnac.fr, I can't buy a song sold in non-physical format from them.

    One example: try to purchase anything from http://www.fnacmusic.com/ if you are in the USA. You will be refused because you don't have a credit card with a french address.

  26. Re:They are liars and thieves by sottitron · · Score: 0
    Only a complete idiot would buy music from them.
    Or, you know, someone who doesn't take themselves so seriously over a $0.99 purchase.
  27. This is why pirated products are superior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never seen DRM, region BS or anything similar in pirated copies of anything...

    Customers who pay for such bizzaro-world limitations are victims.

  28. Because with binary data on the internet there are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no borders. Music is universal, and it's quite possible to enjoy something in a language you don't speak - that goes from opera to J-pop. That's why it's different to electric goods, which run on different voltages with different plugs and conform to different safety standards around the world.

    Yes, it's plain old licensing, but in the modern age music companies are doing it purely to be jerks, without the slightest hint of an excuse.

  29. Jesus, keep this shit on Digg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Christ, how did this one make it through? I'd expect this kind of thing on digg, but Slashdot is usually a shade better about posting uninformed hyperbole. It's not Apple that won't let you hear these so called "insanely great songs" - it's the record companies in Japan. Apple is only authorized to sell those songs to residents of Japan. It's not big, bad Apple keeping the little guy down, or some vast racketeering conspiracy by the RIAA or anything like that. It's just standard protocol - different distribution agreements for different countries. If the record companies of Japan felt like there was money to be had in selling these songs across the pond, they'd negotiate that with Apple and you'd see these songs in the US-version of the iTMS. To act all indignant because you browsed the Japanese iTMS and were not allowed to use an American credit card/gift card is just absurd. Different countries have different factors (e.g., blank media tax) to consider in distribution that make articles like this seem so uninformed and naive that it's embarrassing.

  30. Perhaps it's more a UI thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In any given country, you can probably bet that most of the people are going to want to look for music that is "released" in their country. So, if I search for "Turning Japanese", I probably don't want to see 10000 tracks of indecipherable hiragana characters. I probably also don't necessarily want to hear those either.

    So what did this do? It cluttered up the UI, and put a huge burden on the iTMS infrastructure for a decrease in customer satisfaction. Not really a win-win.

  31. Duh... by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

    "...why shouldn't iTunes be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly? Is this simply a marketing decision?"

    Isn't the answer to this obvious? The most logical answer, even to an outsider who isn't privy to the legal arrangements Apple has made with labels/artists, is that they have the online distribution rights to those songs in Japan and not North America. They _CAN_ sell the songs in Japan. They _CANNOT_ sell the songs outside of Japan. Seems pretty simple to me.

  32. All the "logical" reasons are wrong by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    Readers have mentioned licensing and other reasons why American's can't dive into the amazing bounty of Japanese bands on the store. But I think it's part of an evil plan to inflict pain and suffering on Americans. What else could rationally explain their attempt to keep thousands of insanely great Japanese pop tracks out of the hands of Americans?

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  33. Do the math... by biglig2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A copy of Britney's Greatest Hits (as a random example) on the US itunes store is $8.91.
    On the UK iTunes store it is $15.75 (i.e. £7.99)
    On the Canadian store, $8.47
    New Zealand, $12.61
    etc. etc. etc.

    On the Japanese store, by the way, they don't sell it at all. Guess they saw the video for "Hit me Baby" and figured "Like the schoolgirl outfit, but needs more tentacles. Or cowbell."

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    1. Re:Do the math... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      A copy of Britney's Greatest Hits (as a random example) on the US itunes store is $8.91. Is it an empty cdr?? ;)

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    2. Re:Do the math... by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 1
      On the Japanese store, by the way, they don't sell it at all. Guess they saw the video for "Hit me Baby" and figured "Like the schoolgirl outfit, but needs more tentacles. Or cowbell."

      I got a fever. And the only prescription... is more cowbell!

      Ah, the glory days when SNL was funny.

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    3. Re:Do the math... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Long time ago I read on a music blog how the writer had found a record in a second hand store entitled "Beethoven's greatest hits".

      It was a seven inch single.

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    4. Re:Do the math... by OK+PC · · Score: 1

      Woah woah woah, that's how much the UK markup is!? Seems like we're the ones getting the tenticles. In the arse

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    5. Re:Do the math... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's practically an industry standard to act as though the exchange rate was 1:1 for UK and US.

      Have a go yourself - although you can't buy something from a different iTunes Store to the one where your credit card lives, you can browse any of the stores just by picking it from a drop-down on the front page.

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    6. Re:Do the math... by jafac · · Score: 1

      Yeah - and a bottle of Cipro in the US (if you have a perscription) is $45. In Canada, $25. In TJ (Tiujuana) $12.

      It's called market segmentation.
      Yet another way Globalist Megacorporations profit, while shouting the sermons of the Cult of the Invisible Hand and the Holy Free Market.

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  34. Opportunity by Chief+Camel+Breeder · · Score: 1

    This problem is an opportunity.

    Clearly, iTunes is restricted due to licensing arrangements not of Apple's making (see other posts in this topic). Equally clearly, these restrictions don't benefit Apple: it costs them little to offer extra tracks, even for low-volume sales (also noted in an earlier post in this thread). Therefore, cannot Apple use their commercial leverage to get the licensing changed? The record companies may listen if they think they're going to be trading with the Master Music Archive of all time.

  35. then use myspace music from all over.. by PermanentMarker · · Score: 1

    then use myspace music from all over.. and its free too (most)

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  36. Region restriction = profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do labels offer to artists? Distribution. They say "sign on with me, and I will get you played all over the country."

    Now, it might sound ever better to say "I will get you played all over the world," however, if they do that for all their artists, that means that each artist faces even more competition. Basically, the labels wind up making their own products compete with one another, which will naturally drive talent away.

    This is the same reason that labels stop selling old albums. They don't want their dead artists to compete with their live ones, so they make that music unavailable.

  37. Re:Because with binary data on the internet there by polar+red · · Score: 1, Troll

    no borders. YES ! abolish them!

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  38. WTO?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goddamit... wheres the WTO when you need it?

  39. Canada..... DMCA by obsidianpoet · · Score: 1

    Its worse for us Canadians. Though we do get access to most of the same music, we cannot purchase movies or tv shows from iTumes at all. One theory is that if those movies and shows were release in Canada, they would not be protected under the DMCA the same way they are in the US.

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    1. Re:Canada..... DMCA by Undergrid · · Score: 1

      Its not just Canada, here in the UK we (and I'd guess most non-USA countries) don't get access to TV shows or movies either. So while Jobs is boasting in keynotes about the number of tv episodes or movies available at the iTunes store we are wondering if we will ever see them and if Jobs realizes theres a whole world outside of the US.

  40. It's about Market segmentation as well by giampy · · Score: 1

    Yes you aree right it is about copyright laws. But one of the reason such laws are the way they are is that the music industry wants to reserve the right to charge different prices in differen countries for the same product. These degrees of freedom (for the various **IAA allow a greater gain than would otherwise be possible), It's called "Market Segmentation".

    Now in the iTunes case that is probably not true, however the general idea is still the same.

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  41. The Pillows! by casualsax3 · · Score: 1

    One of the best bands out there. Many of you will know them from FLCL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLCL

    1. Re:The Pillows! by Jess+(geek-chick) · · Score: 1

      Agreed. We bought the FLCL soundtrack just for them. Another band I enjoy is Asian Kung-Fu Generation. I found them via Rewrite, the theme song on the later episodes of Full Metal Alchemist.

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  42. Beyond Music by rueger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The increasingly insular approach of North American media is something that goes beyond Japanese pop songs.

    In the book business it has become near impossible to convince publishers to translate non-English authors, making access to some of the planet's finest writers nearly impossible.

    Geist magazine out of Vancouver has had a couple of good articles looking at this phenomenon, one by Stephen Henighan in Issue 61, and by acclaimed writer Alberto Manguel in Issue 62.

    Henigan's article opens:

    Over dinner, I asked the Quebecoise writer Sylvie Desrosiers, the author of successful novels for both adults and younger readers, whether her books had been translated into English. "Non, pas en anglais," she said. "I've been translated into Spanish, Greek, Arabic . . ." She listed two or three other languages, then shook her head. "But not into English."

    A few weeks after Desrosiers's visit, I was one of the hosts for the Ontario tour of the Salvadoran writer Horacio Castellanos Moya. The Salvadoran edition of Moya's novel El Asco (1997)--the title is roughly translatable as Revulsion --ran through six printings in a year and earned Moya enough death threats that he moved to Germany. Now in his late forties, Moya is the best-known Salvadoran writer of his generation. His novels come out in Spanish-language editions in San Salvador, Mexico City and Barcelona; in France and Quebec he is considered a significant literary figure (he was a featured guest of the 2005 Salon du Livre in Montreal); his novels are also available in German and Italian. His work has not been translated into English.


    Manguel's article this month puts the blame squarely on the publishing houses who are increasingly market driven to publish lowest common denominator works, rather than building a catalog that stands on literary merit.

    North America lives in a cultural bubble defined by a narrow range of English language music, writing, and film. It would be a great exercise to see how iTunes handles music from Latino and Mexican artists, or in Canada from Quebec musicians.

    I'll wager that both of those groups are also underrepresented despite the considerable popularity of their work.
  43. Lawyers, guns, and money by pla · · Score: 1

    But this brings up a good point -- why shouldn't BitTorrent be the great mythical omniscient music repository where all the world's music is available instantly?

    Fixed that for ya...



    More seriously, we can't really blame Apple for this one. They can only sell what the copyright holders let them sell. Cross-border music distribution has always counted as something of a tricky issue (thus the nearly black-market prices of anything you buy stamped "import").

    One additional, more practical problem - PR (in the good, "exposure" sense). Let's say Apple miraculously gets permission from every record company in the world to sell anything at all. How many J-Pop artists do you think most non-Japanese people can name? Off the top of my head, I can only think of one by name and one more I would recognize but can't name a damned thing by them; And I expect that makes two more than 99% of Americans.

    And that, from a country with a major, thriving music industry. How about more obscure regional genres? Ever heard of Norteño? Magham? Wayno? Yupraka? Luogu? Isizulu? Yeah, I can see those selling well enough the US to even justify the bandwidth of listing them as available downloads.

  44. Let's reverse the roles by Tarq666 · · Score: 1

    I live here in Japan and often log out of my iTunes account and look at all the amazing things people in the US, UK and Australia can buy that are not available on Japan's iTunes. I'd love to be able to legally purchase some TV programs to watch here instead of the stuff I put up with on local TV, not to mention catch a free new song occasionally, or simply buy music that I can't get here. I can't believe someone has only JUST noticed this and is making news out of it.

  45. Insanely Great Songs by dlawson · · Score: 1

    You don't suppose the RIAA has anything to do with it?

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  46. Insanely Great? by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    Not that I have anything against J-Pop or any other Japanese music, but is it all really "Insanely Great" or is someone up there in /. just trying to sensationalize things and spread a little FUD here? You might not find Japanese music in iTunes, but you probably won't find your local jam/metal/hip-hop/alt rock/indie artist in iTunes either - in fact, I doubt that many of us will ever hear these bands on the radio, let alone see them releasing content on iTunes.

    If you want to worry about foreign rock, thats cool, I'm sure there is a lot of good stuff out there, but don't hype it in to seeming like Apple is trying to rip anyone off or hide anything. As mentioned before, your local record store doesn't have a "Japanese Artists" section the size of a Japanese record store - if any Japanese section at all - so why expect iTunes to have it?

  47. We were never asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I never bought a DVD until the cracks were easily available on linux.

    Only AFTER that did I buy DVD's and then after that, I bought a player and a TV to watch it on.

    1. Re:We were never asked by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I was running Windows exclusively at the time, but also did not buy movie DVDs until CSS was cracked to give me my protected-by-Copyright Law Fair Use rights.

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  48. Done for the protection of the artist by hyrdra · · Score: 1

    This article is stupid. It's certainly not Apple's fault you can't purchase the music in the US or on the US version of itunes. The label, while at fault, is usually doing this for a good reason. They generally negotiate per country with different artists for a reason. Before a label decides to "launch" an artist in a new country (especially one where there is a language barrier), significant PR and advertising needs to be done to ensure a successful launch and good rankings for that artist. Imagine if Celine Dion (pardon my example) just started selling albums in the US without any PR machine. Her initial album sales likely would not be too good and it would take awhile for her to get noticed, even if her quality is high. This especially holds true for latin american artists doing a "cross over" etc.

    The same thing goes for DVD region codes, etc. People sometimes I think don't bother to stop and try to figure out the whys of something they just automatically assume everything is done for some nefarious reason.

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    1. Re:Done for the protection of the artist by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      Before a label decides to "launch" an artist in a new country (especially one where there is a language barrier), significant PR and advertising needs to be done to ensure a successful launch and good rankings for that artist.

      required, the record companies choose to perform these activities - and especially want to in order to fabricate interest in an otherwise unsaleable product like Appleton

      Another marketing method relies upon a quality musician or group to capture market share through genuine public appreciation, something the record companies don't dare attempt, lest the masses finally realise how crap most modern music is.

      Imagine if Celine Dion ....

      Sorry, had to stop reading there!!!

  49. *Sigh* More Artificial Market Restrictions by gurutechanimal · · Score: 1

    You know, I'm hardly a free-for-all Free-Marketer, but either we have a global economy or we don't. I love it how all the laws that affect consumers restrict the beejeezus out of them, while laws affecting transnationals allow them unfettered access to any market they choose. Taking the example of music companies, they are allowed to use the law to partition the world into several incompatible markets with artificial restrictions of what music can be sold where, and by whom. They can buy CD cases from Taiwan, have the CD's made in India, and have everything assembled in Mexico, usually duty-free (thanks to "free trade zones" set up in various countries).

    If a consumer tries to buy music from other countries through traditional channels, they are usually prevented from doing so by the same companies that tout the wonders of the global economy and the free market. Remember, the free market and the global economy only apply to producers, not consumers. So, iTunes (which is an unfortunate pawn in this shell game) ends up enforcing anti-free market restrictions on product, blocking the consumer from the same freedoms enjoyed by those who produce the product.

    I'm not saying the world has to be perfect and we should all get ponies. I'm just saying that if we're going to have a global economy, EVERYONE should be allowed to participate. Otherwise, there is no incentive to NOT get products through non-traditional channels, as the system is rigged against you from the get-go.

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  50. credit card foreign fees by Matthew+Bafford · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you do that, make sure you do it with gift cards and not a credit card. Your $.99 Canadian iTunes purchase will result in a $3.00 foreign currency exchange fee on your credit card. Plus, the $.99 for the song.
    If that's not hyperbole, then you should look at getting another credit card. The two cards I use for foreign transactions both charge me 2.89% of the purchase price (which is high in my opinion) plus a slightly-higher than market exchange rate for such transactions. I think paying an extra $0.03-$0.05 on the song is acceptable to most people.
  51. Great Japanese bands? by operagost · · Score: 1

    They all sound like DDR music to me...

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  52. Yes, it's complicated, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of you pointed out the complexity of legal contracts, marketing and distribution, etc.
    Except, that all those are based on the old business model, when disks, CDs or other products, services had to be physically distributed.
    This is obviously not the case any more, there is really no reason to "invent" the global online distribution agreement for products and services which can be acquired by downloading them.

  53. That's why I don't do RIAA/GEMA big labels anymore by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    Don't buy that crap, check out http://music.podshow.com/ or http://cdbaby.com/ or other places where you get non DRMed music you can buy from all around the world.

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  54. armin van buuren and ayumi hamasaki by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    put out a remix album awhile back

    i found some info on it

    those tracks blew me away, and i would have NEVER have found that music had i played "legit" and not pirated

    i didn't even know what the armin van buuren/ ayumi hamasaki album was until i looked for it just now, even though i've playing songs from it for years and i deeply dig those remixes. i'm utterly beyond the notion of albums. i haven't bought a cd since 1999, and i never will again

    i don't think i'll ever go to itunes either, because i'm too into the idea of "following my nose": start with a track i like, find out what else is related to that song/ what else is hosted by whomever is sharing it, and download hundreds of those songs, throwing out 98% of them. this shotgun search approach gets very expensive on itunes, but not on emule. after a few rounds of "following your nose", starting with a song very familiar to you that you love, you "fall down the rabbit hole" as the original poster says, and you wind up in a universe of foreign recorded/ underground music you hadn't the foggiest idea existed, and yet you absolutely are ecstatic about

    however, i recently found a "legit" way of the shotgun approach i've mentioned above: http://pandora.com. i read an article about them and they apparently hire people to listen to music all day, categorizing it. besides being notable as what sounds like a dream job for a music lover, it's kind of sad that pandora has to do manually what the internet can do automatically, as i've already discovered, years ago

    say what you want about piracy, but in terms of a music lover's experience, it is the garden of eden compared to being "legit". i don't know how to be legit anymore, i don't think i ever will again. the experience as a music lover renders it impossible for me to consider something so stone age as the itunes paradigm of buying individual tracks. i want to inhale 1000s of tracks based on search words, throw out 900 of them in rapid succession, and find bizarre gems of world music/ underground music there is no way in a million years i would ever have found through any legit copyright addled mode

    i'm a lifer, there's no way i'll ever buy music again, and before you holier than thou a@@holes lecture me on stealing from starving third world musicians, consider the fact that if it weren't for piracy, i wouldn't have been listening to them in the first place. solve that paradox, then get back to me with your attitude. i'm not downloading justin timberlake and beyonce knowles. i'm going after esoteric (to me in new york city) tracks i can't get my hands on any other way. i'd like the music industry or copyright wankers to address what i really am interested in (foreign and underground esoteric and exotic tracks) before they find some way to consider me an enemy. they can't

    i wrote an article about it a long time ago, in 2003, that, bizarrely, i keep find being cited around the web

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  55. And that's why someone else will get my money by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

    Namely that's why Amazon Japan get my money for Japanese music, and not Apple.

    Apple need to realise that they're losing out on sales because of a contrived market demarcation, one that makes no sense for an online world. Apple is a business, you can only hurt them one way, money. Either by denying them sales, or making them realise they're losing sales because of a stupid, non-sensical, policy.

    The only reason things like this still exist is because labels don't want to lose the ability to charge one group of people more money than another group. They want to be able to prevent groups from going to a different pricing region to get their products. There's no justifiable reason for it.

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  56. C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean if you like jpop, that's great. Let's not pretend that it's anything more than a desire for something out of the ordinary. It's not that good.

    1. Re:C'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn right it's out of the ordinary.
      Get Up! Rapper
      Rainbow Pink

      Whether or not it's good is subjective. Most of what I listen to, the singers probably have little or no input into the songs they perform, and a lot of the instrumentals sound like remixes of other popular songs. J-pop makes up only about 1/3 of my music collection, but some weeks it's all I listen to.

  57. Same goes for us. by lattyware · · Score: 1

    In the UK, we can't buy some American stuff - for example - I can't get Scrubs for my Ipod - off to the torrent sites then...

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  58. I would hate a "World" iTunes by amichalo · · Score: 1

    While I see that some people would like a "World" iTunes with every flavor under the Sun given equal footing, I would despise it.

    I think of myself as open minded and live in a culturally diverse neighborhood. Still, I like my music to be "Western" and if I were faced with a "most popular downloads" list monopolized by the shear numbers of Chinese lets say, I would be frustrated quickly.

    From FTA, it looks like Apple allows us to switch our "neighborhood" if you will so it isn't like they are censoring the content.

    Bottom Line: I like my TV "The Office" style, not "Anime" style. Does that make me a crabby American? maybe, but it puts me in league with my culture and I have no problem with that.

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    1. Re:I would hate a "World" iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Bottom Line: I like my TV "The Office" style, not "Anime" style.

      As do most people, even from Japan. Too many Americans think we're complete freaks that all like that animated pornography called anime and all listen to that bubblegum no-talent crap known as Japanese music. We're not like that. Most of us hate the Japanese garbage porn and music. Slashdot is pushing the horrible stereotype that we're all like that. We're not. I don't have a single friend that likes the cartoon porn. The favorite show for most of my friends is Battlestar Galactica. I personally like Stargate.

      We're not freaks that listen to the crappy music. Slashdot, stop pushing that stereotype!

    2. Re:I would hate a "World" iTunes by djkaos · · Score: 1

      Your reasoning is rather narrow-minded. Just because YOU only enjoy Western music and TV doesn't mean that others who DO enjoy foreign media should suffer. Why can't there be a worldwide "most popular downloads" as well charts that filter only local or English-language content? BTW, The Office was originally British and the writing and style is quite different from the typical American sitcom. Which makes you the same as most Americans - perfectly willing to accept and absorb foreign media, but only when it's been disguised or reworked as American.

    3. Re:I would hate a "World" iTunes by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I say list everything, and let a user have the option of narrowing it down be locale if they desire to.

      Every once in a while I get a wild hair and look for the oddest music I can quickly find. OR grab a selection of a genre i generally don't listen to. Now that I think about it, since I started doing that there isn't a genre I just won't listen to. Certianly some are more grating to me then others, but I won't preclude the whole genre.

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    4. Re:I would hate a "World" iTunes by amichalo · · Score: 1

      Bite it. I STARTED my post with "While I see that some people would like a "World" iTunes with every flavor under the Sun given equal footing, I would despise it."

      I am expressing my view as to why I don't want it - too much to filter through and that time is valuable to me - more valuable that potentially missing out on some great post-Soviet Rock or whatever.

      And everyone knows The Office was originally British - you think you have some insider track on that?

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    5. Re:I would hate a "World" iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it really be so hard for you to click on the "Top 10 American Songs" list rather than the "Top 10 Songs" list? Do you really think that, if iTunes allowed for global purchasing of music, Apple would let random Chinese music dominate the charts for American customers? Surely you're not that stupid.

  59. I don't think it is blaming apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the cack-handed scheme that is music licensing and bad copyright.

    Apple already have the product. A customer wants the product. Money is ready to exchange. The REASON for art is to bring enjoyment. The exchange of money for enjoyment is curtailed by the method that is supposed to help art florish.

    So why do we want art to flourish if the reason for that art is being negated?

  60. Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been mentioned quite a bit that licensing in different territories may well be controlled by different distribution companies and Apple has contractual obligations to respect each territory. This is evident by the time it took for the music store to open in each territory. It's also been pointed out that the movie industry does the same thing with DVDs. Nothing new here.

    The additional bit that I want to mention is how regional licensing could affect costs. When we licensed a major sport player association for a video game I worked on, it was for the US only. If we wanted to sell our game in Europe or Japan we would have had to pay a higher licensing fee. Since video games had region encoding for much longer than DVDs (the original NES had different notches in the carts for each region, possibly it was done earlier than that too) we were able to get the cheaper license since we could (reasonably) guarantee that we wouldn't sell outside of the region we paid for. Apple may be able to handle the technical requirements to sell globally, but the labels may want more per song. Oh, and don't tell me it doesn't make sense - this isn't about sense it's about greed. And it's not the only reason; it's one more potential hurdle to consumer utopia.

    Posted AC since I'm at work...

  61. Reality by gig · · Score: 1

    Everybody seems to think that iTunes is so huge that it's bigger than record companies and countries, but that's not the case (yet).

  62. OT: Music recommendation? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

    (Pretty much off-topic, but my question involves buying Japanese music, so I'm asking... ignore it if you only care about discussion specific to Apple)

    While J-Pop and J-Rock are nice and all, I'm interested in checking out more traditional Japanese sound, with old-school instruments. What's the Japanese counterpart to, say, classical violin concertos? Enka sounds promising, but beyond a general genre, I have no idea what to look for. Can anyone recommend some artists or albums for someone who wants to listen to Japanese musical performances with a more timeless, traditional sound and less like something out of a videogame or anime?

    1. Re:OT: Music recommendation? by nytes · · Score: 1

      I have Koto Music of Japan and enjoy it. Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

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    2. Re:OT: Music recommendation? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

      That sounds like just the sort of thing I had in mind, and at a bargain price too. Thanks for the tip.

  63. Quick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call the wambulance!

  64. Why the surprise ? by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    Why is it, that people sound so surprised whenever Apple does something they don't like ? Apple is not some kind of charity or a philanthropic society, it's a business like any other, and they will do whatever it takes to make a profit.

    Whether that means adding DRM to music, locking out rival operating systems, or only selling certain music to certain people because the labels don't want them to, if it increases their profit, they will do it.

    1. Re:Why the surprise ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're surprised because, most of the time, Apple does things they do like.

      Oh, and you really should pay attention to the rest of the dicussion rather than just making a typical "fight the man!" Slashdot post. Apple is doing this because of licensing restrictions that they can't control, not because it increases their profit.

  65. so you're a fan of emminent domain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This, to my mind, means that they should not be protected by copyright. If you intentionally exclude a region, then it is not in the best interests of that region to grant you a monopoly on distribution."

    If they don't want to sell something to you but they'd be willing to sell it to someone else, then you should be allowed to just take it anyway?

    1. Re:so you're a fan of emminent domain? by BalanceOfJudgement · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If they don't want to sell something to you but they'd be willing to sell it to someone else, then you should be allowed to just take it anyway?
      Well that's an interesting question, isn't it?

      If you think about copyright as being executed for the benefit of the culture, then artistic works don't really EVER intrisically belong to the creator (or copyright owner) - they belong to the culture that created them. Extending this idea, if a copyright owner decides to actually distribute their work, they're giving the people their due payment in exchange for the monopoly on distribution. It doesn't seem to make sense to then turn around and say "Well, I'll go ahead and repay YOU people, but NOT you guys over there!" because aren't we all supposed to uphold the same copyright?

      Doesn't it then seem backwards for a region to uphold a copyright... on a product from which they receive no benefit? From that line of reasoning it seems that the only time a copyright owner should be able to do this is if they do not distribute the item to anyone.. anywhere.

      This isn't a simple question. But it's definitely an interesting one.
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    2. Re:so you're a fan of emminent domain? by mpe · · Score: 1

      If they don't want to sell something to you but they'd be willing to sell it to someone else, then you should be allowed to just take it anyway?

      With most real property this would be pointless because the "someone else" can sell it to "you" anyway. The thing is that copyright is a legal fiction to pretend that information is property. In some cases it is very obviously a fiction.

    3. Re:so you're a fan of emminent domain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original idea behind copyright was this: Creators of artistic works need to be compensated (so they can eat and buy ink and paper (so they can create more works for the benefit of society)) somehow. One was to do this is to give them "monopoly distribution rights" (exclusive copyrights) for a limited period of time. That way, the creator can be paid for a period of time (and buy food and paper and ink), but must still create works (for the benefit of society) to continue to be paid. It's not really such a bad idea. The problem is that the system has been perverted by various groups who have lengthened the term of copyrights to (effectively) forever. You could write your congresscritter and ask him/her to not extend the term of copyrights the next time that Micky Mouse is due to fall into the public domain.

  66. How Zune handles it by aapold · · Score: 1

    The songs you can't have show up just like other songs. They're just grayed out. Taunting you. saying "look what I have that you can't have". They'll even have reviews of the stuff you can't have when you click on them.

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  67. It's Changing...Slowly by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    I stumbled into iTMS' Japanese store about a year ago and of course found I couldn't buy Japanese tracks that way. So, I just started writing Apple asking them to add Japanese pop and rock to the US store. Apparently enough people did this to convince someone to make the music available as now you can find music from some to the most popular performers in Japan such as, Ayumi Hamasaki, BoA, Utada, and Amuro Namie. There's a lot of older back catalog stuff, but it appears that the time gap is shrinking with some albums becoming available after 6 months. I don't mind the gap too much given that importing CDs from Japan is very expensive, because CDs in Japan are insanely expensive, costing twice what the typical US released CD costs, and DRM'd to boot!

    I don't know if a World iTMS will come to be anytime soon, but it is clear to me that iTMS has already started to change how music is bought on a global scale. The added exposure is great for the artists, but somehow I don't think the big record labels are too happy since it means they can't sustain the huge markups they're accustomed to on CD sales. Still, that's the new world.

  68. Same problem with "cTunes" as with "jTunes" (Eh?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much the same problem with regard to lack of access for U.S. customers can be found at the Canadian iTunes store. For example, there's more tracks available from The Tragically Hip", a Canadian group that has a small, but strong, fan base here in the States, including me. In particular, there are several iTunes-exclusive download albums of live concert material of "The Hip" called "Live 10" which are unavailable to U.S. downloaders.

    *SIGH*

    "At the hundredth meridian, at the end of the mesa, where the Great Plains begin..." (Fully Completely)

  69. Who Really Cares by compw1zzard · · Score: 1

    There must not be a lot of news out there to report this. Who cares about Japanese bands, seriously. I mean alright maybe someone does and thats fine. It's whatever floats your boat, but to be complaining about it. Like I said not much news going on today.

  70. Re:Japanese track made #1 on the US charts by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

    It has already happeded.

    http://www.maddmansrealm.com/sukiyaki/

    "His biggest hit, Ue o Muite Aruko (I Look Up When I Walk; "Sukiyaki" in the West), was released in Japan in 1961. After its release in the U.S. in 1963, the song's earnestness and melodic beauty proved irresistible despite its incomprehensible lyrics. Against all odds, on June 15, 1963, the song ousted Leslie Gore's "It's My Party" to become the No. 1 popular song in the U.S."

    Japan has lots of great music. While I was there I bought a few albums. Some I could not even tell you who the artist is or the name of the album because there is not any english printing on it. The record stores would frequently play albums and display the album playing. This is how I found and bought some great music.

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  71. Make something crappy and get free advertising! by Heddahenrik · · Score: 1

    It's a well known fact that perfect stuff never get noticed. Apple has smart marketing people that can fool Slashdot to write about their store.

    In this case I guess the crappiness comes from legal crap, but Apple still profits from it.

  72. Hmm by jasonh1234 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that if I change my country setting from Canada to US then I can download movies and TV shows?! Can't wait to get home and try that.

  73. Slashdotters fall into the editor's trap *again*. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Folks, the /. editor that posted this story already knows the fact that you can't buy all tracks at every iTunes Store isn't Apple's fault. However, it just makes a much better story to blame it on Apple. You all fell right into the trap with your attempts to explain to the /. crowd something they already know: that you can't buy, for example, some Japanese tracks on the US iTunes store because the labels haven't licensed Apple to legally distribute and sell those tracks.

    And, of course, they never will go back and edit the story title to reflect the truth. They'll leave it a tantalizing blurb that implicitly blames Apple: "The Insanely Great Songs Apple Won't Let You Hear".

    Puh-leaze

  74. Same problem with "cTunes" as with "jTunes", eh? by Parker51 · · Score: 1

    Much the same problem with regard to lack of access for U.S. customers can be found at the Canadian iTunes store. For example, there's more tracks available from "The Tragically Hip", a Canadian group that has a small, but strong, fan base here in the States, including me. In particular, there are several iTunes-exclusive download albums of live concert material of "The Hip" called "Live 10", which are unavailable to U.S. downloaders.

    *SIGH*

    "At the hundredth meridian, at the end of the mesa, where the Great Plains begin..." (Fully Completely)

  75. Re:MP3 is in the link by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to check the Japanese track that topped the US charts, check the link in the parent and scroll down. The original version is posted as well as many many many remakes including the English version. Enjoy.

    Maybe iTunes doesn't sell them is they sometimes are posted for free after the copyright expired unlike in the US where the extension act will make it sure I will expire first.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  76. Some songs are only on iTunes - and then removed by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am going to try this immediately.

    For over 2 years I had exactly 4 songs in my iTunes shopping cart... songs that I really liked, but I couldn't bring myself to hand over my credit card for the DRM inhibited music. I usually buy CDs.

    So, for Christmas I received a couple of iTunes gift cards. I figured, what the heck... I'll buy the songs now and attempt to find something to strip the DRM.

    And then the catch hit me. The songs, while still in my shopping cart and still had playable samples were "no longer for sale in the iTunes US store". The songs and the albumn that they made up were no longer listed in the store by any means of searching.

    Here's the real kicker that pissed me off. These songs were only ever sold through the iTunes store. No physical store sales, no other online music stores, and I was never able to find them on any p2p services.

    Hopefully I'll now be able to purchase them. This is another perfect example of why DRM is a bad bad thing. If the company holding the keys to the DRM infected information decides to revoke them, the content can be completely lost to society.

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  77. WELCOME TO THE GLOBAL MARKET, USA! by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    It's high time Americans have some content unavailable due to ridiculous licensing, since the rest of the world has had to put up with it for years.

    Example - here, in Canada, I can't buy episodes of The Daily Show on iTunes. This is despite the fact that it's aired at the exact same time every day here as it is in the US, so there is therefore no possible way Comedy Central is losing more potential viewers than in the US. The same is true of 95% of the content on iTunes video, it's simply not offered here, for no good reason whatsoever.

  78. In the 1980's, getting import CD's by RedneckJack · · Score: 0

    Back in the 1980's, there was one record store company I ended up buying CD's from. It was in Indianapolis called Tracks. I quit going to other places at the time like Camelot Music and other chain stores. Tracks use to be in Indy, Bloomington, W. Lafayette and even got to Evansville. One thing, they carried items that you couldn't get at the chain stores - import CD's. There was one import I got that were not available at the chain stores - The Best of Steve Miller. Since this was a time prior to CD burners, I would tape off of my CD's to listen to my tunes in my car (even though frowned upon by the RIAA). They carried Metal Tape which the mainstream stores did not carry.

    On the RIAA, they had ads at the schools supported by the administrators encouraging the students to write to members of Congress to support a tape tax. The thing was you buy a CD of a given album. If you wanted to listen to it in your car, since there were not any CD players for cars, the RIAA wanted you to buy their cheap quality pre-recorded tape of that same album. Homey didn't play that. With the metal tape, the music quality stayed good and the tape player didn't want to eat the tape unlike the pre-recorded ones.

  79. Apple needs to become a record label itself by CheckeredFlag · · Score: 1

    Apple needs to become an independent record label itself. The handwriting is on the wall. Apple seems to have worked out their differences with Apple Records...Steve Jobs has repeatedly complained about the greed of the record labels...Apple already has "iTunes exclusives"...they give 90% of their iTunes revenue to the record labels.

    If they became a label and sign artists, they could work out much better arrangements with them to give them a bigger cut, loosen overly stringent restrictions imposed by the industry, increase distribution, keep a bigger profit for themselves - and lower prices for consumers to say 10-50 cents per song!

    They've been prohibited from moving directly into the music industry due to agreements with Apple Records, but if they can work out a cooperative agreement with them (merger?), everyone wins! (Except the existing labels that will be extremely pissed off.)

    1. Re:Apple needs to become a record label itself by Budenny · · Score: 1

      The next problem would be an interesting one. Would they, as a record company, sign an exclusive deal with themselves? Would they, that is, sign up bands with the proviso that their music would be sold only to be played on iPods?

      Or would they sign up bands and tell them, we don't care. We are interesting in selling music. People play it on Pods or Zunes, who cares, their dollars are all green...?

  80. Slashdot is full of simpletons by tdenkinger · · Score: 0

    Simple licensing. Please, is the submitter really so stupid he/she doesn't understand this? And the editor just passes it through?

    The real story is that iTunes isn't geofiltering IPs apparently.

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  81. Two Quick Points by Paulrothrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, this isn't "Apple" not letting you hear these things. It's the record companies and their licensing agreements. If you go into a record store in the US, do you see all these great Japanese artists? Hell no. Why? Isn't it just as easy to ship them over as it is to ship over US artists? It's not Apple limiting these things, it's the damned recording companies.

    It's the same reason that TV shows on iTunes US aren't available on iTunes UK and vice versa. There are ancient licensing agreements (well, ancient in terms of the internet) between the media companies that Apple has to respect if you want any content on iTunes at all. Apple could have gone the eMusic route and filled the iTunes store with independent artists, but who would start doing that?

    Finally, Apple's not preventing you from hearing these songs on your computer or your iPod. You're free to buy them on CDs and rip them into your computer. And you can even rip them in MP3 format with no DRM! Amazing!

    It's natural for people to beat up on Apple because that's who's dealing with them when they don't get what they want. But that's just human nature. I used to work as a bus boy in a restuarant. I've seen people scream at waiters for the cooks screwing up their order. I've seen people yell at cashiers for something they bought there not working correctly. Most people are stupid. It's up to those of us who aren't to

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  82. Insanely great music you can own for free, legally by FunkLord84 · · Score: 1

    'Course, it kinda has to be your thing, but that goes without saying.
    This is just what I'm listening to now: http://www.archive.org/details/mtk165
    Click up in the right corner to ge to where you can browse their whole collection.
    Anyway...

  83. $3 ?!?!? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

    Who is your credit agency? Citi only charged me ~0.16 cents on a $10 refill on a foreign music download service.

  84. It's a matter of National Security... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if the youth of America were exposed to Japanese noise bands like Boredoms and the Ruins, it would mean the end of Western Civilization...

  85. US insularity by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Another reflection of US insularity is the apparent need for remakes of TV and movies that were in English in the first place.

    Even stupider is that Discovery Channel and Animal Planet will take UK documentaries and dub over an American voice reading (mostly*) the exact same words. Apparently Americans can't deal with hearing someone foreign.

    (*There was one interesting exception though. I watched a documentary about the U-2 incident in the UK, and then happened to see the overdubbed version of the same show in the US. For some odd reason the US version didn't mention the possibility that the information was deliberately leaked to Russia by the CIA in order to sabotage the peace talks and protect their budget.)

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  86. Copyright by thegameiam · · Score: 1

    This, to my mind, means that they should not be protected by copyright. If you intentionally exclude a region, then it is not in the best interests of that region to grant you a monopoly on distribution.

    Copyright is more than just a monopoly on distribution: it also protects unpublished works. Copyright laws should apply whether or not a work is available legally. That said, copyright is also based in National law, and thus the particulars differ from country to country. It would be interesting to see a case go to court in country X, where a creator sued an unauthorized distributor, when the creator has only registered the copyright in country Y.

    That doesn't mean that I disagree with your analysis in the other respects, however - I think that a country-based model doesn't make much sense for digital music. I'm glad that iTMS has such an easy way to get around it.

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    1. Re:Copyright by mpe · · Score: 1

      Copyright is more than just a monopoly on distribution: it also protects unpublished works.

      Copyright is entirely a man made concept. It simply didn't exist until a few centuries ago and it has been modified quite a bit in that comparativly short history. According to some justifications for copyright (e.g. the US one) having it apply to unpublished works is nonsensical or even counter productive.

    2. Re:Copyright by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Copyright is more than just a monopoly on distribution: it also protects unpublished works. Yes, I consider this a flaw. Trade secrets should cover unpublished works. If you don't publish something, then you can enforce your control via contract law on the few people you show it to (e.g. publishers). Copyright is a social contract between society and the creator; society agrees to enforce a temporary monopoly on distribution for the creator in exchange for the work eventually entering the public domain. If a work is not published, then it can never enter the public domain, so copyright can not apply because the creator is not keeping up their end of the bargain.

      I say this as someone who makes a living as a writer.

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    3. Re:Copyright by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      by that argument, if you're working on a novel, and I swipe it and publish it, I would not be guilty of copyright violations, right?

      Or to take the petty theft out of the equation, if you throw away an early draft of a manuscript you're working on, am I allowed to publish it?

      Current US Copyright law says "no," and as a musician, I think that's reasonable.

      An example more pertinent to my own life is that my band will be working on another album soon, but we've got some new songs already. If someone bootlegged a show, and released a CD of the same in Japan (without asking, of course), would they be guilty of copyright violation if they only were releasing previously unreleased work?

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    4. Re:Copyright by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't think you should be guilty of copyright infringement. You would be guilty of leaking trade secrets, which should be an equally (possibly more) serious crime, and anyone who distributed a copy would be guilty of handling stolen goods (because they would have been stolen, not subject to copyright infringement).

      I am not saying that copying or stealing unreleased works should be legal, but that it should be covered by a different legal framework. Once you have released something, however, it is in the wild. If you choose not to sell it in a particular market then it does not make sense for that market to be enforcing you monopoly on it, since they are gaining nothing in return.

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  87. Japanese music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > switch the country setting at the bottom of the page to Japan, and you're dropped down
    > a rabbit hole into a wonderland of great Japanese bands that you've never even heard of.

    You know, Japan is not exactly known for great music. Cars, electronics, video games, sure. Sushi, if you're into that sort of thing. But Japanese _music_? Isn't that sort of like British cuisine or French military strategy? Isn't Japan the country where they're seriously into karaoke music? Ugh.

    If you go _looking_ for Japanese music, I suppose you ought to be able to find it okay, but I don't think Apple *or* their customers would be well served by offering it by default to customers elsewhere in the world.

  88. Same thing for US store by zorglubxx · · Score: 1

    If you log out of your European account and go to the US store there are also plenty of records that Americans can buy and not Europeans. I guess the labels give iTMS the restrictions.

  89. Tell me about it by chord.wav · · Score: 1

    Let's whine together: If you are a Latin American resident you can't buy any music at all cause there aren't any iTunes Stores for any Latin American country. You can't even download the covers cause you can't create an iTunes account anywhere. Buuuhhh.
    So stop whinnying cause you just can't buy Night of Fire. If you are so interested in J-Pop, Google for a store that sells it to you. It's not that Apple "won't let you hear" as the title says.

    It's as childish as complaining because the a specific bar won't sell Coke to you because it has Pepsi instead.

  90. That's the one thing that really annoys me by kilodelta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quite often I'll hear a song on last.fm that I like and go on iTunes to buy it. Come to find out it's an iTunes UK offering and my account won't let me download it. This is the major problem with the music industry. Music is now international, not regional. The industry hasn't adapted yet.

  91. slate, wasn't slate an MS owned? by ajdowntown · · Score: 1

    I know Slate is currently owned by the Washington Post, it wouldn't surprise me that there are still some microsoft sympathizers there...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_magazine

  92. Recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine one reason we don't get Japanese music on iTunes is hardly anybody knows anything about it in the U.S.
    I wouldn't mind checking it out.. but I would have no idea where to start. Anyone have any recommendations? I hear it's "insanely great"!

  93. Marketing by Tran · · Score: 1

    I think you misunderstand what marketing is. You Market ( advertise ) to create a demand. Once a brand or demand is established, you market to maintain market share.

  94. Why are you buying DRM'd music anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.zunior.com

  95. Licensing restrictions to create different markets by sideswipe76 · · Score: 1

    Very simple. Apple is contractually bound to segment the market by region -- this is for reasons of legality (Nazi music in France?) and marketing. By creating these artificial barriers the recording industry can charge 1 price for the music in India ($.05) and another in the US ($.99). The reason is a classic marketing tier. Americans can and are willing to pay $.99 and an Indian would never. If someone will pay more, why not charge more? On the other hand, you don't want to have American's buying the same songs for $.05. This is the Starbucks model, the DVD region encoding model, etc.

  96. It is piracy to import songs without permission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    United States federal law makes no legal distinction between the punishment for importation for resale of legitimate copies without permission, and making pirate copies without permission. Although it is legal for single copies for individuals, it is not legal for a reseller.

    (a) Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501. This subsection does not apply to - ...

    (2) importation, for the private use of the importer and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by any person arriving from outside the United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such person's personal baggage;

    (Title 17 USC, section 602)

    The exclusive rights of a copyright holder include copying, so the law considers piracy and importation for resale to be identical crimes.
  97. Napster does the same thing by umilmi81 · · Score: 0

    Napster does a similar thing. I was able to get to Napster's private UK, Canadian, and Australian message boards. The only message board that had any traffic was the UK board. In chatting with the users it came to light that different songs were available in the different countries. At the time, U2's "Vertigo" was not available for purchase in the US (on Napster), but it was in the UK. UK users also paid more per song than US users.

    After I posted the technique to switch countries on the US board, Napster modified the structure of the board to prevent jumping.

  98. Re:Japanese track made #1 on the US charts by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    I really wish I had points today to mod you up. And I wish I'd seen this post about six months ago. I'll be dating myself here, but I clearly remember walking with my mother in a strip mall years ago when this song came on over the PA system and it has stuck in my head ever since. Something else reminded me of this song a few months ago and thanks to Amazon, I was finally able to find it on one of those Billboard compilation disks. So now, any time I like I can put the CD on, close my eyes and think about a sandy haired kid walking holding his mom's hand while we window shopped in Key Biscayne. Great memories!

    Admittedly this if off topic and I'm sure you know this already, but Japan is not the only place with great music. My wife is Colombian and since knowing her, I found a whole new world of latin music that I didn't know existed. We both have a pretty ecclectic music collection from artists all over the world and music is truly one of our shared passions. If you're interested, check out some of the Putumayo collections (they're sold here at Whole Foods and other markets or available on line). We have 6 or 7 of them now and they're all excellent - especially the Brazillian ones.

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  99. I just took a look... by Mongoose · · Score: 1

    Queen of Hip-Hop by Amuro Namie cost me ~$60 USD at an import store the week of release.

    That same album is like ¥2400 on iTunes, and so is the new Hamasaki Ayumi album that just came out. That's a steal, but it sucks I'll need to get PDFs of the packaging some how -- if I do join iTunes just for these huge savings. =/

  100. Viral Reporting..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    SlashDot is the perfect format and environment for marketers to get their company name thrown around. I call it Viral Reporting or Viral Journalism, since all that is needed to further your business is the mention of your company in a journalistic context, being for a positive or negative reason, where millions of people will check you out, even if they despise you. Thus, even though you have created a negative PR image, you get unintentional advertising and name exposure with the great possibility of financial windfall from it.

    I have noticed lately that Apple has two very distinct faces. Steve Jobs, idolozed by Apple Worms as someone who built a company that cares about computer users and strives to make the internet and computer seamlessly integrated into human society and as easy as possible for people to use, and to allow the spreading of ideas and media throughout the world. Then there is the other face of Apple Marketing, which totally contradicts the "People loving, society oriented, free thinking" world that Steve Jobs is proclaimng to love.

    This marketing gimmick (one of MANY, for Apple) is purely an exmple of marketing tactics that make it almost indistinguishable from Microsoft and most Network News stations. Apple can created this wonderful public relations image in the eyes of the consumer, and has, almost literally, made the consumer fall in love with it. Apple has figured out that they can exploit this "Aple Affinity" to their advantage by using the good PR as a means of diverting the customers' attention away from their tactics and sedating them with all of the benefits and joys of Apple products.

    Apple is just like Microsoft, in that what lies underneath is a big stinking pile of crap. The only difference is that Apple is more appealing to the customer. Would YOU buy a pile of dog crap if it smelled Mountain Springtime or Pine fresh? I still wouldn't, because it know what it really is.

    I used to use a Macintosh LC, back in the days where a quad speed CD-ROM's and 14.4 modems were was the status equivalent of optical holographic drives and T4 connections. However, PC or Mac, the marketing schemes that all companies, not just electronics, create to divert attention has crosse the line from being a threat to society to controlling society. When you control what people see, you ARE what people see and that can be abused when you control content for your own personal or commercial interests.

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  101. Not stupid by catbutt · · Score: 1

    Beating up on Apple or yelling at the cashier may be unseemly, but it isn't really stupid. In the case of a cashier, it means that eventually cashiers demand a higher wage to work at places that sell shoddy products. This in turn puts pressure on their employers and suppliers. It may be indirect, but it does work in a Darwinian sense to increase the quality of the products or the improve the policies of the various companies involved.

  102. It's only the artists that can fix this by flinxmeister · · Score: 1

    The labels aren't going to change. It's like asking a cat to bark.

    A) Cat's are generally disagreeable about anything...it's just who they are
    B) A cat wouldn't even know how to bark anyway

    When indie artists sign up via CDBaby and such, it automagically goes to all the foreign stores. Why? Because they are not labels.

    That's the only way things are going to change.

  103. great japanese bands? by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

    are they any better than Paris Hilton's latest CD?

  104. Countries outside the USA. Fact or fiction? by JustNiz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Since moving to the US from Europe 5 years ago, I've noticed that it's very hard to keep up with whats going in in the rest of the world once you're in the US.

    There's hardly any news about the rest of the world in the media (Iraq excepted). I've generaly presumed that to be either one of the causes or effects of the generally low level of US education, but now I'm wondering if its not just a marketing decision.

    1. Re:Countries outside the USA. Fact or fiction? by metachimp · · Score: 1

      You're very right. It's not simply about how people in the US are uninformed or apathetic. They are also actively being deceived and shielded from events and culture outside of the US, and it's justified by those marketing geniuses because their conventional wisdom dictates that people here "just aren't interested in that stuff".

      Well, considering that you won't be shown any of that other stuff, how are people supposed to develop an interest outside of this country? It becomes a buried shovel.

      The other factor is cost. The foreign correspondent is becoming an endangered species, and it's way easier to cover attractive blondes who go missing in Aruba than things that directly impact the broader population.

      The adage that no one ever went broke underestimating the American public is only partly true, because somewhere along the line, someone figured out that is was more cost-effective to distract people with cheap and easy. If people want salacious gossipy stuff, shady government contracts are pretty nifty.

      I think people are being actively deceived.

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  105. Re:Japanese track made #1 on the US charts by Technician · · Score: 1

    I'll be dating myself here, but I clearly remember walking with my mother in a strip mall years ago when this song came on over the PA system and it has stuck in my head ever since.

    What will date us is the tech of the day. This was the age of the transistor radio with it's 2 inch speaker or single earphone. It was AM. FM wasn't even on the horizon yet let alone stereo radio.

    I have my grandfathers portable radio. It is bright red and the size of a small lunch pail. It has 5 tubes and took 3 batteries. It used a D cell for the filimants, a 22-1/2 volt battery for bias, and a 67 volt B battery for the tube plate voltages. The batteries were not rechargable.

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  106. thats because it re-catorgorizez and limits resltz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    duhhhhhhhhhhh are you blaming these people for lame programmin?????

  107. Wait a minute...you pick music by sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is what I think of Japanese music...right from the sphincter. On YouTube, Beavis and Butthead style. Someone really needs to put those niggers in the Pacific back in their place; they're not Arians, true metalic artists in iron like Zakk Wylde (think Suicide Messiah) and Alice in Chains (think Again).

    Japan, just go away. Just go. Sink soon.

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  108. Unintended long-range consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was originally determined by the width of a horse's ass.

    For different flavors of the story, see here, here, and here.

    1. Re:Unintended long-range consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are fascinating links. Thanks.

  109. How many product managers? by metachimp · · Score: 1

    I bet they have several regional product managers who don't even know each other, let alone talk to each other....

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  110. Calm down sally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before everyone gets their panties in a knot, this is not a conspiracy, this isn't record labels trying to screw you over, this is about taxes, tarrifs, accounting practices and licensing tracks for distribution.

    Why do you think a record label only licenses a song for a specific geographic area? Because they want to deny you the enjoyment? Because they're too good for your money?

    What's been exposed is most likely a huge tax and accounting liability for Apple and will be repaired very quickly. If you're so hot to trot to buy Japanese music, get a Japanese credit card and use a proxy inside

    l2business noobs

  111. nah.. by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
    It's called Trance isn't it ?

    To each their own, but that genre seems aptly named in my opinion.

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    1. Re:nah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The genre is called "Electronic Dance Music" (often shortened to just "electronic" or "dance", although "electronica" often annoys people). Trance and Techno are sub-genres.

      It's all explained here, full of clips of every single sub-genre and sub-sub-genre of electronic music (large-ish flash file warning)

  112. Internet radio by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
    Is also a good option for finding stuff from around the globe.

    Shoutcast is a good start.. you can do it straight from a web browser (www.shoutcast.com) or get fancy and use a player like winamp or xmms... My combo with Linux is.. Streamtuner/Xmms/Streamripper but there are other ways equally good on both Windows and Linux. Guess if you want it to be portable, you'll have to find a (streamripper) way somehow... but damned if I know how.

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  113. licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i work for a company that manages the data for many independent record labels and their uploads to digital music services.
    this is all to do with record label licensing. some releases may be licensed for worldwide release, whereas some may be licensed only for one country. so it is not just itunes that have this problem, all online music stores must comply with the licensing information held in the metadata supplied by the record labels.

  114. Laptop drives? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I watch Mexican DVDs (same region as the US) in my UK bought laptop.

    I am using Linux of course, but as far as I know, in computers the lock down is controlled by software, not hardware.

    But I stand to happily be corrected, just don't tell my laptop...

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    1. Re:Laptop drives? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the drive. Older drives (RPC-1) do all of the decryption in software. Newer ones (RPC-2) will not allow raw device access to disks with CSS information on them, and will enforce the region coding in hardware. Even if you use Linux/VLC, you will not be able to access a disk from a different region on an RPC-2 drive without first changing the region of the drive, which can only be done a finite number of times. For a lot of drives, you can re-flash the firmware and make an RPC-2 drive behave as an RPC-1 drive, although this is likely to void your warranty.

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  115. This just happened to me by c64cryptoboy · · Score: 1

    Aarrgghh.. I just got my first iTunes Store "Your request could not be completed. The item you've requested in not currently available in the US store."

    From month or so back, I've had "A Taste of Honey" in my cart from Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass's "Whipped Cream & Other Delights" album. Today I went to purchase, and it auto-removed it from my cart saying "that item is no longer available".

    Well, you can still search for it and find it, but you can't put it in a US shopping cart.

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  116. Why doesn't Apple cure global warming? by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

    I mean, they invented DRM to make our lives miserable, and now I discover that they invented national jurisdictions for copyright regulations and credit card sales just to piss off the internationalist commies amongst us.

    Apple has spent a lot of time working out the details of the sometimes bizarre, sometimes rational national rules for sales. That's why the international sites took a while to get up and running. I remember reading, many times, about how impatient people were in this or that country to get going, and how angry they were that their credit cards were not recognized, even though they were good citizens of Zambesia, and how dare that George Bush who runs Apple frustrate world consumers? Now it turns out it was all a nasty plot to dominate music sales and withhold Japanese rock from the Western consumers.

    More likely it was the labels refusing to cooperated, or the bands, or it was finding a way to get the credit cards -- who take .25 per track in the US -- to not charge .45 cents somewhere else.

    In Canada, there are Canadian content rules, for instance. Different rights organizations. Jesus.

    A single repository for the world's music? Good idea. Rewrite your copyright laws, will you?

  117. Just region coding by another name by RabidMutantStargoat · · Score: 1

    Virtually all recent media management tools are about marketing. This is no different, it's just region coding embedded in software.

  118. try using it from spain.... by Astun · · Score: 1

    the spanish itunes store doens't have movies, or tv shows or anyhthing else than what you'd find at a bad retailer... its so pointless to have an account there...

  119. Oh BOO-HOO-HOO by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile the rest of the world doesn't get any TV shows (including Canada), so you Americans better not complain.

  120. Offtopic. . . by Diablo1399 · · Score: 1

    If you want to listen to some wicked Japanese Trance music, check out Yoji Biomehanika He has a track called Ding-A-Ling. . .pure euphoric awesomeness.