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Apple's IPhone 3G Firmware Update Bombs
JagsLive writes "After lots of complaints about iPhone 3G connection issues, Apple released a firmware update Monday with hopes it would fix the issues. But early reports suggest it didn't work as planned.
Complaints have included dropped calls, abrupt network switches, poor reception, and service interruptions.
Apple declined to offer details about its iPhone 2.0.1 update, other than saying it included 'bug fixes.' However, comments in Apple's support forum say plenty about the latest attempt to rectify poor user experiences. In fact, the update seems to be causing new issues, apparently interfering with the GPS function, among others."
Sounds more and more like a hardware issue with the chipset ... so early adopters are may end up suffering ... be interesting to see if they "quietly" roll out a Rev 2 or publicly announce it.
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The crap linked article doesn't even get the version number right - I recommend reading ars techinca's take (the amusingly named Hope you didn't plan to actually make calls on iPhone 2.0.2) or even Apple insider.
I for one welcome our new haha overlords.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
First it's a kill switch, and then when that didn't work, they made the iPhones into bombs. What next? iPhones that leak chemical/nuclear/biological weapons?
Hear me roar! RAWR YO!!
"Just Works" post.....
Interestingly, I find it fairly insightful to see how the great unwashed masses are complaining about this, yet, for the most part, Apple is getting a "free pass" from pundit's, media, and most of the public because of past marketing.
What would the reaction have been if this was some other company?
Just a though that rattles around in my brain.
I've been stung before by buying new apple hardware immediately (core duo macbook pro).
:)
Right now, i'm feeling pretty damn happy I decided to wait on the iphone 3g. I do have an iphone and it works perfectly. I think i'll wait for a few more months before I upgrade to the 3g
Goatse or Goatse?
2.0.1 was the last update 2.0.2 is the most recent. And for the record my first gen iPhone works fine. The update fixed the slow typing bug and the battery drain bug. I don't know yet if it fixed the shuffle my home screen icons bug. True I wish Apple would give a complete change log. It sure would make it easier for us to give them feedback about those bugs if we knew what they were.
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Ummm, the most recent update was 2.0.2. Kind of hard to take the rest of the article seriously when it gets the most basic of facts wrong. Not that I doubt the existence of these 3G problem, just tired of reading poorly researched, poorly edited "news" articles. I don't have a 3G iPhone, so this article doesn't really apply to me, but for my Edge iPhone, 2.0.2 seems to have improved a number of issues, particularly the email.
On my iPhone, 2.02 completely disabled all 3rd party apps. Any apps installed run for just a few seconds before returning to the app screen. Deleting and re-installing doesn't help.
Good job apple.
Why are bug reports on the iPhone always blown way the hell out of proportion? Seriously. Every firmware update on any product is going to have people with issues. But hey, a product that's already sold over 2 million that has some gripes on a support forum? STOP THE PRESSES! Christ, it seems every time an iPhone farts, there's a ton of stuff on the tech sites about how horrible and defective they are! Well, guess what? My iPhone 3G has been running just fine since 2.0. So have the vast majority of the things. Give it a fucking rest already.
Microsoft is upset over the Mac v. PC, Leopard v. Vista commercials. They want to play dirty themselves, obviously, since they're showing idealized videotaped demos of their OS to gullible people under a fake name and saying "That's Vista, ain't it great?". So where are all the Microsoft-purchased ads slamming the iPhone's inability to even be a phone, while Windows Mobile phones get shit done?
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I always find it interesting how you get a slew of "I am glad I never jail broke my iphone" comments when a new release comes out that breaks the jail break.
Well in this case, I am glad I jail broke my iphone because I did not upgrade to the new firmware. In some ways it is nice, because you let everyone else find out what is broken. So in this case, even if they come out with the new pwnage for the new firmware, I am sure I am going to just wait until the new release from apple come out.
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From: steve.jobs@apple.com
To: daniel@roughlydrafted.com
Subj: Hello
Daniel,
Looks like we're in a bit of bind right now. QA signed off on the 3G 2.0.1 update despite not testing it fully. (The guilty parties are being punished as we speak.) For the time being, could you write another pro-iPhone article? Be sure to mention how it is "substantially less buggy" than competitors phones, and how beautiful it is. Also, be sure to make a jab at Zune (the Internet always eats that stuff up.) It'd also be great if you could work chair throwing in there as well. Thankfully, the masses eat up tired memes without even realizing it. One article should buy us enough time and mindshare to fix these issues.
Sincerely,
Steve
First off, the firmware that was just released was 2.0.2, not 2.0.1 which had been out for a while already. Second, Apple never claimed that this update contains the 3G fix. As usual, they have been secretive and cryptic about what the update actually contains, but this was just a minor update, not the big radio firmware fix we've been waiting for. And finally, although a few people have complained about the GPS in the new version, most of the reports seem to indicate that the GPS has IMPROVED.
Disclaimer: I own an iPhone and am suffering from the 3G issues. I'm certainly no fan of the way Apple has handled this so far, but this article is just a pointless and error-filled troll.
My Nokia is about 10 software revisions out of date. It appears that my carrier doesn't want to bother to upgrade the firmware to correct pre-existing bombs in the old software, and I don't have the special cable (which will cost me perhaps $40).
Virtually every modern phone has upgradeable firmware to address "bombs". Low-end Motorolas, Nokias, BlackBerries, Treos, LGs, Sony/Ericsons, Samsungs, Verion-branded phones ... ALL of them.
The only interesting part is that iPhone users can drive the software update process without it being forced upon them by the carrier, and/or users can upgrade it without having to buy a rarely-available cable.
Quit voiding your warranty!
It isn't like you paid for the hardware, paid for the service, have the device in your name, are responsible for it and hold it in your hand 99.99999% of it's lifecycle. IT BELONGS TO APPLE! See the logo? That's APPLE's logo. Not your logo.
You should consider it a privilege to be blessed with an Apple product in your hand.
There have been complaints about GPS for a while since 2.0.0, so this isn't new. It may take a while to acquire an initial position, especially if your time is not accurate on the device.
Keep it outdoors, and prevent it from locking for 15-30 minutes.
Windows Mobile can't get shit done. I own a WM smartphone and it sucks incredibly. No usable browser, crappy "e-mail" client which can't do IMAP correctly, let alone IDLE, lame applications.
A Mac versus PC ad is at least fair -- both computers are capable of doing things, and you can get a PC that's equal to or superior to a Mac hardware-wise. (I own a MacBook, FWIW.) Macs can run the same software PCs can, either Mac OS X applications or Windows via Parallels/Fusion/Boot Camp. Windows Mobile is a whole different story -- it's not even close. Even if you have a Pocket PC, which is equipped with a touchscreen, better CPU, and significantly better version of Windows Mobile, you're still out of luck.
For what it's worth, I have a 16GB White 3G iPhone that I bought about a week after launch, and have had no call issues (call quality is actually reported by people I talk to as being "amazing"), no GPS issues, etc.
The first weekend I had it I lost internet and had to restart it, and since then have had no issues with big things like GPS/3G/etc. I updated to 2.0.2 last night and used the GPS in town and it was actually super-fast and stable.
That said, the contact/SMS slowdown business, and somewhat crash-happiness it exhibits haven't gone away, although seem somewhat better. 3rd-party apps, especially games (I'm looking at you: Super Monkey Crash-a-million-times Ball) seem really rushed and quick to fail.
-Matthew Riley "TofuMatt" MacPherson
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since 2.0.1 is such a steaming pile, that I'm using 2.0.2. So far no problems.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Posting as AC for obvious reasons. The talk is strong to recall the new iPhones here in Cupertino.
Apple is vulnerable to third party hardware suppliers. These third parties want Apple, with their BILLIONS (windfall profit tax anyone?) to buy them out because they feel the world economy is going to get worse before it gets better.
After this, every apple zealot loses his license to use "it just works".
As far those tongue in cheek ads goes, if Apple keeps up with such "high" quality in their product lines, the day is not far where we will see something like:
PC: Hi I am PC
Mac: PC, let's not do this today
(blatant copy from somewhere else)
I wonder how all the apple fanboys feel when they say their products "just work", as this update is clearly showing. /sarcasm
Meanwhile, it'd be nice to see the iphone actually work, although I'm impressed by the continual problems sprouting up. How did something look so sleek end up so crappy? It's like putting a prius engine in a ferrari or something.
Steve should stop giving his gifts to this ungrateful world, and go away like he did before so that the people will really appreciate that which is cool.
Would serve you right you ungrateful pricks!
I do not care! Enough with the IPhone articles.
First, let me say that others have not had the same experience, so it isn't universal, but I've also seen others saying they had the same result, so it isn't unique to my iPod Touch either.
After I updated to 2.0.2 on my 16 GB iPod Touch, I could no longer launch any 3rd party apps. They would start to load, then quit back to the home screen. I tried powering off and starting back up. Didn't help. I tried a restore and setup from backup. No help. Finally I resorted to a restore and setup as a new iPod. This worked (at least so far). Of course, it means that I lost all my app data. Fortunately all my key data was recoverable (contacts, calendar, email and SplashID), but my progress in the game Vay, for example, is gone as well as other games.
This isn't the first problem I've had with 2.0.x firmware. Previously I had individual applications stop working. In some cases powering off and on would fix it, but more recently (with 2.0.1) I had some applications where that didn't help. In fact, neither did a restore and setup from backup. Indeed, the most recent restore and setup as a new device is the *second* time I've done it.
Also, twice I experienced a problem where I tried to launch the AppStore app where it never finished loading. It didn't quit to the home screen, it just got stuck. Pressing Home didn't do anything. Nor did pressing the sleep button. Finally I held the Home button down to force quit the AppStore, but instead of just force quitting the app, it caused an onscreen flash and then my iPod started to reboot, but it never finished. I tried forcing another reboot and still it didn't finish starting up. Endless Apple logo. I let it go for hours and it never finished. Finally I had to force my iPod into recovery mode and do a restore and setup from backup. In this case, that worked, but it happened again another time and again I had to restore from backup.
The 2.0.x firmware has, as far as I'm concerned, been pretty much a disaster. I love the features it brings to my iPod, but this is beta, or really alpha software. It shouldn't have been released, or at least it should have been labeled as such and not been distributed through normal means. Then the problems wouldn't sting quite so much if you ran into them.
I hope the promised September update will put all this nonsense to rest and finally give us release-quality firmware. I must admit to being a bit skeptical, though.
--- What?
I'm running 2.0.2 on a 3G with no visible issues so far. In fact, 2.0.2 fixed a lot of the app slowness that I was seeing, especially the Contacts app, which previously had a 5-10 second lag when starting. With 2.0.2 the contacts app is usable as soon as it opens up. As for the 3G problems, the 3G coverage in the areas move between is less than stellar, so I typically just leave 3G off.
I am more frustrated at the fact it has to do a complete reload, not just a patch. I've been generally happy with my iPhone (3G) but tying up your phone for almost 30 minutes while it downloads (at work no less) isn't pleasant. Then, I absolutely had to use it and forgot it was still downloading. I had a brick until I could spend another 10-20 minutes doing a "restore". The Apple software doesn't update after a restore, so guess what...I clicked, "Next" thinking it would continue to something else, but nope, got to wait another 20 minutes while it restored a second time.
As far as changes, I still have keyboard lag and the little quirks it had before 2.01 and 2.02. Battery drain I can't comment because I'm constantly plugging it in due to the habit I formed after having it die so often the first week I had it. I now instinctively plug into the car charger while driving, plug in at work, and then plug in at home. I even leave a cable attached to my XBOX360 to charge (even though the 360 won't recognize the iPhone like it would my iPod Video).
So far so good. Now if only Apple would fix the 'mangle photo before email' problem, so that I can email full-size photos with full EXIF information instead of having to tether to get them...
I have a 2nd revision aluminum iMac 20 inch and the 16 GB version of the first iPhone... the one that came out 6 months before the first release date. I have had unusual reception issues, where my reception jumps up and down constantly in places when before the 2.0 update it was consistent. They aren't severe though, as this usually only happens in areas with poor receiption anyway. But that does make me sympathize with the 3G users and makes me think it's a firmware issue.
Even so, in terms of roll outs of new products, the 3G has not gone as well as other roll outs have. Hell even the original iPhone was much better than this. At the same time, the press is right of the most part, but it's also being bolder than usual. I think this is due to the fact that #1 Vista went badly, and they are emboldened by the fact that they were able to trash that so thoroughly, and #2 the press recognises that readers seem to love reading about when a giant stumbles or falls.
I'm not saying the press isn't justified, nor am I saying that this is the end of Apple. Not everyone is having problems, but more people than one would usually expect for an Apple product are having problems. And the press is leaping on it like a starving tiger.
Such is the world. I look forward to the iPhone releases in the next two years when I possibly consider an upgrade.
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"After complaining to a manager, Goodman was able to get a replacement unit, but the reception issues persisted. On Thursday, he was told by an AT&T customer service representative that its cell towers are having trouble recognizing the iPhone 3G on the network, and that a fix was forthcoming."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10017657-37.html?tag=nefd.lede
This is the first comment by an AT&T employee where they appear to admit that these issues are partially their fault. Did I call it or what? I bet they decided to call Fido as I suggested on various boards and ended up finding something.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Seriously?
I'm answering the question! Sorry, should I not have questioned the superiority of everything that comes out of the fruit-based company?
Perhaps slashdot ought to have "-1, Heresy"
The emperor is fully clothed!
Some settling may occur during posting.
How about not buying a cell (particularly one so expense) that doesn't function properly?
Mine works fine under 2.0.2, as it did under 2.0.1. This is clearly not a universal problem -- I know a dozen or so others with 3G iphones online and in Real Life who have had no problems. Maybe someone should start a database of serial numbers to see if there's some kind of trend in which phones are problematic?
everything in moderation
I activated my 3g iPhone last week, and I haven't had any issues anywhere in the city.
Is it just crowded places like San Francisco that are having issues?
Do I have a newer revision of the 3g since it was on sale just a week ago?
"I buy Apple products. It just makes me feel special."
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I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Actually, I chalked it up to a little bit of journalistic integrity. There's no way you can download a new firmware update that has NO description of what was improved/changed in the description (other than "misc. bug fixes"), read about 24-48 hours worth of random comments on forums, and write a good article explaining the "fact" that said upgrade was GOOD or BAD!
Over on macrumors.com, I was following this update, yesterday, and I got the distinct impression that results were quite mixed. A good percentage of people reported about 1 more bar of signal strength on the 3g network than they saw before the update, and there were misc. reports of such things as, "I can now make a call inside my Chicago apartment, in the same room where previously, people always said my voice was garbled when I tried to call them."
I updated my boss's iPhone 3g to the new firmware yesterday afternoon, and so far, he hasn't noticed anything really "better" OR "worse" about it.
Meanwhile, people have reported completely different things they say were fixed in firmware 2.02 from 2.01, including Arabic web sites now displaying native language characters properly.
It seems likely to me that the more major 2.1 firmware update (that's now in beta testing by developers) would do more to attempt to address connectivity issues. This, at most, was probably just a small tweak of some parameters for how strong a signal needs to be before the iPhone decides it can use 3g vs dropping to EDGE, and vice-versa.
(Before the happenings of this post, I had replaced the SIM cards in my and my wife's 3G iPhone's once previously, about 2 weeks ago, with no significant improvement in service.) After updating to 2.0.2 I am completely unable to make or receive calls when 3G is enabled. Disabling 3G while standing in the same location results in 3-5 bars of EDGE, and turning on 3G again results in "No Service" (when previously the phone would at least drop down to EDGE when 3G was unavailable). Also, even with 3-5 bars of EDGE, I had 5 calls last night that did not ring at all to my phone (I got the voicemails about 30 min later). Disabling Wifi, doing a Network Reset, and rebooting did nothing to resolve the issue. I reported these issues to AT&T Technical Support after getting bounced to Apple and then back, and requested a refund for the month or so of incredibly poor phone service that I've received. The representative was happy to comply, discounting a significant portion of next month's bill. I refuse to pay for poor phone service, and I suggest any who are having issues do the same until these problems are resolved.
The 3rd party app bug is not new, and Apple has acknowledged that it is working on it. I had the same problem with the old firmware after an update of a 3rd party application. Doing a restore solved the problem.
The location feature on every 1st gen iPhone I know of (around 12) have not been working since the 2.0.0 update. Apple say that they know about this, but there has been no sign of a fix yet :(
Here's a practical experience from last night: I upgraded to 2.0.2 the night it came out. Last night I was sitting next to a friend in a coffee shop who still had 2.0.1. We both joined the coffee shop's public wifi network. She was able to surf, but I kept getting connection errors and freezes and was not even able to view a web page. And as I was sitting in the coffee shop in the middle of a major metropolis, my signal bars kept fluctuating from 3 to 0. In conclusion, :(((((
I got the distinct impression that results were quite mixed. A good percentage of people reported about 1 more bar of signal strength on the 3g network than they saw before the update
It appears that Apple may have changed how many bars are displayed for different signal strengths.
That could explain the contradictory information.
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Makes me want to whack some crazy Apple fanboy with a one-button mouse while they're down.
Similes are like metaphors
I happen to know the guy who headed the RF software group for the original iPhone. He's a low-key sort, from the industrial high-reliability real time world. He did not like being yelled at by Steve Jobs. So, shortly after the first iPhones were out and working, he quit.
Apple found someone else to do the 3G version. Probably not someone from the industrial high-reliability real time world.
Go ahead and mod me down you a-holes! :D :D :D
So where are all the Microsoft-purchased ads slamming the iPhone's inability to even be a phone, while Windows Mobile phones get shit done?
"Hi, my name's Peter, and I have a T-Mobile Windows Powered Phone."
"HI PETER!"
"I'm using a $50 Nokia and a refurbished Clie, because my Windows Powered phone hangs if I try to place a call while using Streets and Trips, and I've had Activesync fail to recover my backed up data after a crash. I can't rely on it. I'm... such a backslider."
"ANYTHING ELSE?"
"I installed Windows XP on my Vista laptop."
"THANK YOU FOR SHARING, PETER!"
I'm surprised any negative comments are showing up in the Apple forums. When the iPod first came out Apple was very good at deleting any negative comments in the forums.
Most folks assume you can simply turn off the iPhone and it will magically clear up everything. They need to do a hard shutdown, which is a different proceedure. Hold down the Standby and the Home button for a few seconds. You will see the prompt to shut down, but do NOT let up from the buttons. A few seconds later the phone will shut off on it's own. I find this fixes most app issues as well as a host of other issues. It's ALWAYS a good idea to do this after an update. As for 2.0.2, folks are bitching about an update that they don't even know if it resolves their specific issue. Apple is to blame for this as they don't release details on what their actually fixing. That said, since they haven't said they've fixed it, I have no expectation that this will fix the 3G issue. My signal strength is indeed stronger but then again, I have never dropped a call. Until they do announce a fix for it, its a simple matter to simply turn 3G off. Guess what? It works perfectly in Edge. I can wait for a fix.
I still think my answer was an adequate insight into the mind of someone taking delight in apple having problems :)
Buy the Freerunner... do not bother with phones which are not even open source now.
Apple fans certainly didn't complain when the media hyped the iPhone as the be-all and end-all of cell phones. Now, they complain about the iPhone getting increased scrutiny when it develops problems. Smells like sour grapes, if you ask me.
We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
Actually, some independent analysis has shown that's the issue - the firmware is too anxious to jump to EDGE. Another problem is that in some places, ATT's equipment is placed at 2.5G distances, but 3G needs closer towers, so ATT needs to step up and get some upgrades in place. But there are a lot of indicators that it's the immature software ON the infineon chip, not the chip itself, that is causing issues.
I have had one constant problem (the slow keyboard in SMS occasionally (resolved by force quitting the sms app and restarting). I have not had any of the issues relating to signal or dropped calls. I just tried here at the office (where cell signal is horrible) I was able to make a call with out any problems on 1 bar of signal with 3G, edge is also no problem. Could this be a problem with hardware differences on the towers?
the Mon. update is 2.0.2, not 2.0.1.
Because I was just reading a Nokia E71 review the other day, and it's $500, and the iPhone is simply better (for me, anyhow).
Tom's Hardware just said that Mac and PC prices are about equal when you take into account the components. I think the perception that Apple is more expensive comes from the fact that they just don't compete in the low-end segment of the market.
Apple is still the best company, PERIOD. THeir products stand head and shoulders above the rest. They have the best smart phone, the best computers, the best servers, the best MP3 players, the best EVERYTHING. All you critics and whiners just hate people who are smart and successful, which is why you attack us with your false accusations and your petty complaints. Go back to your windblows and your linsux, and leave the rest of us alone.
Think Different. Think BETTER. THINK APPLE!!!!
almost every new apple product has serious hardware problems - ipod battery anyone ? defective power cord plug on laptop anyone ? i'm not old enough to rmember earlier stuff, but would bet dollars to donuts there were problems in earlier stuff goign back to the lisa
TAKE HOME: new apple stuff often has serious hardware/software problems (which makes u wonder, the peopel who talk about apples obsession with detail)
This is sort of darwinism in action - u stupid enuf buy new apple hardware, get what u disserve
...however, since everyone is offering anecdotal "evidence", I'll point out that we have two 3G iPhones in our home, and neither have had 3G issues. A few applications crash on startup, but most of my apps run just fine, before and after the 2.0.2 update.
My biggest gripe is -- Apple has neither stated there is a known 3G connectivity problem, nor did they state the 2.0.2 patch contains a 'fix' for any such problems. So ask yourself, how have these people writing articles about it able to claim such a thing? The answer is, the same reason everyone thinks there's a widespread problem with 3G... hear-say.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
...to IPhuckedup :-)
No problems here, either before or after the update - I'm quite pleased with my phone.
Apple should be clearer about timelines, possible issues, and the bug fixes they release, and avoid all this pointless speculation. 'Bug Fixes' is a joke as a description. As it is their silence leaves an echo chamber for negative complaints to become the only story for the iPhone.
I wonder how many of these problems are down to poor network service though? They certainly seem to be concentrated in the US.
Is it possible that this is a service issue more than an Apple HW issue? Why is Apple taking all the blame for poor network quality when it's well known that AT&T service in the US is sub-par at best.
I never buy Apple products until Service Pack 4 comes out. Oh... wait... that's Microsoft... or is it?
*confused*
Clearly there is no issue here - Steve told me!
No problems with using my iPhone 3G with the 2.0.2 firmware. Updating from 2.0.1 to 2.0.1 was and still is a problem though. ...
I started the update in iTunes.
iTunes downloaded the 2.0.2 firmware and started the update.
About 40 to 60 minutes later iTunes reports a problem updating my iPhone and the iPhone is in recovery mode. You must restore this iPhone from backup before iTunes can
So I restore the iPhone.
iTunes then gives me the choice to setup as a new iPhone or restore from an existing backup.
About 60 minutes later the restore from backup is done but same iTunes screen is present: setup as a new iPhone or restore from an existing backup.
With seemingly no other choice I chose restore from existing backup and clicked continue again.
Another 60 minutes or so...
Same setup screen in iTunes!
OK. Disconnect iPhone. Power off iPhone. Close iTunes. Logout.
Login. Start iTunes. Power on iPhone. Connect iPhone. Same damn iTunes setup screen: setup as new iPhone or restore from existing backup.
With that Setup screen in iTunes you don't get the iPhone sync screen. No new music, no new apps, sync of data, no new backup. No control of the iPhone from iTunes at all.
The iPhone itself has all of the data and apps exactly as before upgrading to 2.0.2 and reports that it is running 2.0.2. It works just as before except the battery is definitely not draining as fast today and it won't sync with iTunes.
It was late last night when I was done with the above. I'll call for support when I get home today.
Today, 8/20/08, on docking my ORIG version iPhone, i was told i coujld upgrade to v. 2.0.2 so i did so.. I also tried to view the link on the 'update?' box that was described as letting me view the fixes (ie, the last of the several links in the 'Agreement' box). Naturally, at that site there was NO ref to any fix, even clicking the 'iphone' dropdown menu revealed nothing about it. BUT, interestingly, there was a 'how to transfer your original iphone config to a new G3 unit' that included wording including this: "If you wish to change your carrier (!!!), first ask your new carrier how to do it .. " (a rough
sort-of-a-quotation)
Does this mean Apple is preparing to let carriers other than ATT work with the iphone???????
"There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
I have a friend with a $500 Nokia (N95) phone, that would shut down, if anybode called that wasn't in his phonebook. It would shut down immediately, before ringing or writing anything in the log of incoming calls. The phone could be off for hours, as he only looked at it, when it rang and it didn't ring when off. The issue was fixed by a firmware upgrade after some weeks.
Nokia screws up with their expensive phones as well. My friend now has a 3G iPhone and is having trouble with the reception. Always the early adopter. :-)
It will probably randomly explode user's iPhones killing them in the process just because it can.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
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I've had an original iPhone for almost a year and have had no problems at all. When the 2.0 software loaded on it everything pauses now for a few seconds before you can do anything. Open the contacts list, wait, wait, wait scroll. Open the photos wait, wait, wait scroll. It is pissing me off.
Is buying a Harley Davidson as your first motorcycle since you were 16 at age 49 a midlife crisis issue?
Makes me enjoy my Samsung Instinct a tad bit more. It may not be as sexy or have all the bells and whistles and fancy little apps, but at least it works.
The 2.0 software release has honestly been a complete disaster. I've got 3 friends who have bought, and subsequently returned, their 3G phones. They knew I loved my 1.1.4 phone, and their experience has been nothing like that.
I'm still rockin' my jailbroken / unlocked 2.0.1 original iPhone on T-Mobile, and it's simply slow, laggy, and crashy. It's so bad that I'm seriously considering rolling back to 1.1.4 until they fix this mess.
My iPhone update didn't work at first with a "(-19)" error, the fix for which was to unlock my iPhone with my password. Then I had to reboot my Macintosh, since it has it's own problems, so that iTunes would work. After that the firmware update worked just fine and flawlessly. Par for the course when doing a firmware update on almost any device.
Sure there are a few glitches but overall I'm quite happen with the iPhone. It's not my old flip phone like Kirk's communicator but it's quite fine.
I hope Apple realizes this is the same situation as the Newton. Talk about De ja vu. And make the correct decision this time around or the iPhone will be like the Newton when the gPhone/Android, LG LiMO, or 2.0Motomax phones come out by the end of this year.
Despite bad reviews, that OpenMoko phone is starting to look better and better--especially for development.
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You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
Hell no! - that's about the most insightful summary of the Mac experience that I've ever seen!
Three Squirrels
As someone posted earlier. This article is inaccurate in that Apple never claimed that the 3G issues would be resolved by this update. This was just an assumption made by some users.
Furthermore I think there is one interesting piece of this puzzle that is being left out. The SIM card either the type or how it is programmed or both, may play a role in this. The reason I say this is that apparently some people are having little to no problems, while others are having major issues.
A fried of mine bought a 3G recently, he decided to try swapping it for another one because he felt the accelerometer was acting up. His old one had no reception issues. The new one has major issues. It doesn't make sense that this would be a chip design issue as all phones of a given revision should essentially have the same issues. The only other variable that may have changed in all of this that might have this kind of significant impact would be the SIM that came with the new phone.
Ok, just how can a FACTUAL posting about my iPhone experience with the update be deserving of the label "TROLL"? That's just not right of whom ever moderated the parent to this comment. The post was relevant and while contrary to the article it provided some actual evidence that not all was wrong with the iPhone update, not all was right with it either!
So I don't see how you get "troll" as a category. Maybe informative and boring, but troll? Yesh...
the poeple it doesn't work at all for any more got a new sim card, then it worked.
Indeed. I was going to say that software cannot change real signal strength. Sure, perhaps the firmware can instruct the chips to go into some other mode that better uses the existing signal. But if you had 2 bars (whatever that means) of signal strength yesterday and you have 3 bars today, either the signal characteristic has changed (due to different things going on in the RF environment that has nothing to do with the software) or your phone has changed its definition of 3 bars.
The iPhone 2.0 software has a serious bug that renders all iphones useless. Apple has released 2 updates since the release of 2.0 software and this issue has not been solved. This is a serious problem. The iPhone right now as it is.... is a waste of money. Do not buy it. Read on. Apple refuses to describe the bugs it fixes, so we dont know what they're doing with these updates, and they have not acknowledged this issuse. Many iPhone users are left in the dark.
http://www.macworld.com/article/134923/2008/08/iphonedebug.html#commentsjump
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/07/white-apple-logo-screen-of-death-stops-iphones-in-their-tracks/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1600894&tstart=25&start=500
Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.
Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:
P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)
P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)
Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)
Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:
Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)
Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)
And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:
Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312
Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057
Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.
Martin
I just upgraded to 2.0.2. If this whole thread and TFA off base or what?
They could have made a 3g one 12 months ago, even if it was a dev only , twice the weight, half the battery life version just for apple/dev staff and jobs to hash out all the bugs/errors.
Projects too closed and secret have too few testing done.
Jobs, your secret dev attitude worked in simple 80s, but now you have to just give it up, let the world know you're making something.
Even i knew that apple would make an iphone 18 months before hand, it was the only option since mp3 players were going down to $1 profits. I can buy a 1gig player for $5 - crap quality yes, but still any 4yo would be happy with it.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
No you are right - because it's all of them. See my other post about
Sony Ericsson a little down. Early adopter get screwed left right centre.
you're right. bad mods happen more and more imo.
(now for offtopic -- digg style mods are much better)
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/iphone3g/index.html#d20aug2008
hardly positive really.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
I think Apple would have done better by waiting for a year or so, with some limited release of quality testing by consumers before this.
They have a history of releasing products and, if they do well, coming out with new versions very quickly. That may have worked well for the PC market, one that is well-known, but not for the cell phone market.
I personally am ditching my iPhone for a reliable Blackberry.
YMMV.
I used to spend some time here, because there were positive comments about the Mac mixed in with criticism. Now nobody goes here but the haters. One story after another.
I just bought an iPhone. I like it a lot. It's very good where I live. I never get a dropped call. Apparently that makes he a fanboy.
It's sad, really. For you. Amazing how many little people love to bash Apple for their perceived awfulness, and how few of you actually understand what's real and what's not.
When I first saw the title of the article, I thought Al Qaeda was converting iPhones into IEDs.
For sure it didnt work as planned. Actually I've never had any problems with 3g but after updating to 2.0.2 it broke my 3g functionality.
FE. its almost impossible to make any calls because they keep droppin all the time. Thank you apple.
This guy has been a huge apple fanboy and even he's turned against the iPhone http://pcmike.com/breaking/shame-on-apple-iphone-3g-is-sub-par
Right now I own Motorola W510 -- very simple phone. I was thinking about buying a smart phone. Basically what I would normally be doing is -- storing my weekly schedule, phone numbers, and sync with Mac, or Linux. So, I would need something that will work with Linux & Mac.
Even veals have more autonomy!
[citation needed] that doesn't print an error. Please post a corrected link.
i am a soviet space shuttle
What are they talking about? I am posting this comment from my iPhone with the new firmware, and I haven't noticed any prob/#$%#*CARRIER DROP*
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