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US Marshals Saved 35,000 Full Body Scans
PatPending writes "A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter-wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that US Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly — perhaps illegally — saved [35,000] images [low resolution] of the scans of public servants and private citizens."
The more these assholes abuse their power, the less willing the public will be to entrust power to them.
Oh god, who am I kidding?..
We all knew it would happen sooner or later. So, when does Bodyscanporn.com open up? :)
~Bchickens
I wanna see some neked chicks man !! COME ON !! So do you !!
It will only get worse from here...
And they'll get about as much of a punishment as Charles Rangel.
Like maybe: "The officers involved have received reprimands that will go in their permanent record."
If someone is going to invade my privacy for pointless security theater, I might as well make it as uncomfortable and inconvenient for them as possible. In airports, I always opt for frisking instead backscatter. No pictures to save then, either.
I'm sure that whoever makes those machines is not happy. Whoever was the salesman and just lives off commissions might be ecstatic. Now he gets to propose a whole new line of machines, and a whole new commission, on thousands of machines worth a million bucks each.
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so these blurry, blobby, only vaguely human shaped images are what we're supposed to be worried about violating our nude bodies privacy?
HE DIDN'T RESPECT THEIR PRIVACY? INCONCEIVABLE!
You keep using that word 'privacy.' I do not think it means what you think it means.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
How much do the high-resolution images with names cost? I am sure these things will start appearing on websites. highresolutionimagesofthestars.com
Every time the public or public advocates complain about new law enforcement technologies or powers, it is always important to remember is that it is not the ability to perform effective law enforcement that is the problem -- it is precisely to prevent the inevitable abuse of power that we seek to enjoin. Let's forget about official abuse of power (which also happens frequently) and look at unofficial and inappropriate abuse of power such as a sheriff's deputy using their police facilities to check up on his girlfriend or his daughter's boyfriend. This is a kind of abuse of power that I would most certainly find irresistible as would most people. This is precisely why such powers should be handed out carefully and controlled even more carefully. Corruption is a problem of opportunity, not a defect of character.
I thought that for passengers' privacy, the nude-o-scope operator was in another room with no view of the real person, but these photographs match each person with their scan so there obviously is a simple way to view person both clothed and naked! ohhh, the opportunities...
And that makes a difference how? It's still a blatant invasion of personal privacy, low res or not.
Did anybody else notice that in some of the images the people well behind the pad (but still in the image frame) are showing up as well? Just how much EM do these things ACTUALLY emit?
Require cavity searches for anyone wishing to enter a fast food restaurant. It'll save lives and public money spent on health care.
You mean the same machines that we're repeatedly told cannot save images? The ones people don't like because of the privacy invasion and the answer is always "the machines cannot save images"?
Who is actually surprised by this?
So THAT'S where I left my keys!
Is anyone really surprised? Have you ever met a mall security guard, bouncer, airport monkey who wasn't a complete power abusing ass? Face it people do give them grief and it can be a shitty job so the only people that are going to take it are the type who are looking to bully the public.
If illegal, they should be prosecuted.
I know these things have been in the news for years, but they have been in general service in most airports for like what? Two months? And already there's a scandal about naked pictures being saved. That's got to be some kind of record.
The end of the world? Or did you mean the next election? Heh.
A big powerful government that has the power to "solve problems" will only use that power AGAINST YOU in the end.
And never forget: TAXES: THEY *WILL* BE USED AGAINST YOU
Or you can keep deluding yourself, "But MY problems are different, and the candidates that I vote for are special and wouldn't do THAT.
Childs have to pass thru body scan? Sarah Palin? Senators? There should be one bad scenario that could convince the people that matter that it should stop.
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Saying "the pictures will never be saved" is known as a "Pie Crust Promise" - easily made, easily broken. Here is some interesting reading on similar promises from the government, especially on how the SSN will never be used for identification. http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-plague-of-presidential-pie-crust-promises . The moral is never EVER trust the government .
Which are debt, falling behind in everything behind China. We can't solve everything. This is example how we wate time bi***ing about everything and anything, and do nothing to make things better.
Trains don't fall from the sky. They run on electric power. Carry many more people than planes. Stops right in the middle of downtown, origin and destination, no trip to and from the airport needed. Sometimes you can just get on, no papers or checking at all, and buy the ticket later on board. Sometimes there is a restaurant car, or a bar car. You can see the scenery, it is less than a yard away from your window. You have long seats, tables, lots of space, walk around the cars. You can get off at the next town, walk around, and take the next train. There are almost never any accidents. Did I say it's electric?
Build your own energy sources from scratch. http://otherpower.com/
Bush's Fatherland Security czar, Michael Chertoff, profits from the sale of the nudie-scanners.
http://gawker.com/5437499/why-is-michael-chertoff-so-excited-about-full+body-scanners
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/full-body-scanner-lobby-michael-chertoff-rapiscan-2552674.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2627190/posts
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/airport-scanner-scam
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
This is old news folks. Looks like Gizmodo saw the original news story some time ago, filed an FOIA request and now that they've got the goods, they show it so it's a new story? Not taking away from the seriousness of the issue mind you but this is pretty lame as far as news goes.
The TSA is now groping women's breasts and little kids genitals. (See the recent video of a girl crying, "Stop touching me!"
And I just now heard an interview with an American is being punished $11,000 by the U.S.G. because he refused to be scanned, or groped by the TSA, so the guards told him, "You cannot fly." He then canceled his ticket, got a refund, left the airport, and was arrested for leaving the area.
Apparently once you enter an air terminal, you no longer have any rights... except to submit to the US Gestapo and their warrantless/illegal searches.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
The best solution I heard is to erect an armored booth that detonated any explosive. Everyone has to go through it. Saves time and court expense. Nobody has to take off their shoes or empty their bags. It all goes in with them. The only problem would be how to make it self cleaning?
1. radiation exposure and some mall cop staring at my dick. with pictures for permanent internet memories
2. some mall cop groping my dick
i choose 3: fuck flying. taking the airplane is a burdensome horrendous experience that just keeps getting worse and worse. it makes driving 20 hours seem more attractive than flying 4 hours
"the terrorists have won" is a lame trite statement, but it's true. they've permanently altered our society to turn us into scared cattle and they've permanently made airplanes a hellish unattractive transportation method
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Next time I fly, I'm going to swallow lots of Viagra. If they're going to frisk me, they'll have to accept that I don't have a 3rd leg. I'm sure those bright minds will figure it out eventually.
Sorry to hold up the line folks. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do... :)
Life is not for the lazy.
So where are the political people who promised us it was "impossible" for the images from these scanners to be saved? It was clearly a manufacturing possibility that the images could be stored. And the rule of operation is that "if it can be done, it will be".
Geeky systems observation:
There needs to be a better political process where, when the political message is later proven to be a lie, we can shoot the original messenger. Because without negative feedback the system will continue to run amok. The current political process is not good enough and has a large enough time lag that corrective factors build up and sever oscillations occur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_margin
It has been pretty apparent that these things could save images from the very start.
Have you ever seen a picture of these scans? Were you at the airport at the time, or was it on TV or the internet? How do you think it got there?
Agreed 100%. Others posted the same thing and they are all getting marked down as troll or off topic for some reason. I think this is VERY on topic. No one here can identify anything specific to a an individual at all in those xray "naked" pictures. They are freaking blobs of white and dark. They are not suggestive of anything. I am 100% totally against violations of personal liberties and the TSA/law enforcement holding on to them but really, THAT is the problem, not what the actual pictures reveal. People arguing that these pictures are too suggestive and should be banned better rethink their arguement of why they want them banned so people will actually listen to them and take them seriously. The older first versions of the Sony Nightvision camcorders revealed far more suggestive things than these do.
Mark this troll, off topic, flame, whatever, it doesn't change anything.
So from now on "how it's hanging" will be a verifiable public record.
Next Wednesday: http://www.optoutday.com/
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Who cares whether the machines can save images or not anyway? Any screener with a camera phone could just take a picture of the screen.
I have seen the future, and it is inconvenient.
Make all Senators and Diplomats subject themselves to these types of scanners and we'll see how they enjoy it.
they just kept images of the hot girls.
No, this is all for the little people. Celebrities will just further flock to their G5's so they don't have to rub elbows with the hoi polloi at the gate. Invest heavily in concierge jet taxis.
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Every citizen has the right to do a citizens arrest. Once they touch your junk all you have to do is notify them you are arresting them and any "real" law enforcement officer must take them into custody. It's the law. However I'm very certain this will never happen.
always go into the scans or pat-downs with a raging boner
IF I'm only wearing a speedo, I can't hide anything right?
Is the passenger train industry moving to capitalize on this at all?
Suddenly those bullet train proposals here in California don't seem all that bad. Well, other than the fact we can't build any public works anymore without it costing $1 billion per foot.
So privacy issues aside (but not forgotten), how often are these machines calibrated and inspected? The article says the image quality suffers due to a misalignment in the machine. How long did that persist? Were people exposed to higher doses of radiation as a result? Why should we trust security guards to run what basically amounts to adapted medical equipment? If we are going to have these machines, shouldn't they be operated by trained radiologists who have some hope of recognizing when the machine is not working in spec and understand the potential consequences?
It seems like what's necessary at this point is for someone with a public platform to actually say what we all know, that security theater (a) has gone too far and (b) isn't helping anyway.
It's probably too risky for someone who, say, works for an airline, or an airport, to say it even if they know it, because then if that airline or airport is the target of the next attack, even if it had nothing to do with what they said, the lawsuits would fly even faster and more furiously than usual. It's unlikely that a politician from the spineless Democratic Party would say anything that could be construed as being soft on terrorists. I'd like to think that some of the Republicans (especially some of these newly elected Tea Party types) might, but I also think they count on the whole atmosphere-of-constant-fear thing to drive up demand for their preferred policies of military spending, gun rights, the death penalty, and so on, so I am not counting on them either. And anyone who has to answer to the politicians (like the head of the TSA) probably has to shut up for the same reasons.
So I'm not sure who I'm counting on here. I dunno if some 2nd-tier broadcaster could do for this issue what Rick Santelli did for the mortgage bailout, because when he ranted, it was politically easy for others to say "yeah! what he said!" But there must be someone. Right?
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This isn't the ONLY thing either...
Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
http://www.infowars.com/big-sis-caught-lying-to-american-people/
Video: Big Sis Caught Lying
http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-big-sis-caught-lying.html
'Naked' scanners at US airports may be dangerous: scientists
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h08khPyFPinX_4vNYd1JZwn8hV4Q?docId=CNG.442824fa7c08853af96322d7315a6f02.461
Shocker: TSA Has Been Molesting Children For Years
http://www.prisonplanet.com/shocker-tsa-has-been-molesting-children-for-years.html
TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants.html
TSA Gives Rapists And Illegals The Green Light While Groping Children
http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-gives-rapists-and-illegals-the-green-light-while-groping-children.html
The Truth is a Virus!!!
Damn the people of the US are fat!
in airports for people who are doing nothing, but trying to travel. These invasive and unnecessary scans and pat downs need to be ended and an investigation into why Michael Chertoff was allowed to manipulate Homeland Security so he and his friends could make billions of dollars selling nude body scanners.
Check out hot nude pics of unsuspecting travelers at http://www.scannerporn.com/
If I have to be frisked shouldn't I at least have the right to choose the hot chick with the handcuffs to search me?
As a male, can I request that I be frisked by a female TSA agent? If so, then I fully support these new security procedures, and I applaud the work you're doing!
Much of the recent Security Theatre, for example, the requirement to notify the government 72 hours in advance when you travel domestically in the USA now being phased in as a result of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which was, of course, passed by a Republican Congress.
You can still buy a ticket less than 72 hours before the flight and fly anywhere. From the link you provide in you post:
"Will passengers still be able to book a ticket within 72 hours of a flight? Yes. TSA’s Secure Flight program can conduct watch list matching for passengers up until the time of the flight. Passengers will be prompted to provide Secure Flight information when booking travel. For reservations booked on short notice, or within 72 hours of the scheduled flight departure time, airlines must submit the required passenger information as soon as the reservation is made."
The passenger has no duty to notify anyone, anytime. It's all on the airlines.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
Modify the body scanners to remove the displays and any I/O connectors. Further modify them so that they detonate any explosives within them.
I bet we run out of terrorists before the replacement costs for the scanners start to become a problem.
If it's a computer, it can save images. When I read reports that the machines are incapable of storing and transmitting images I get angry.
I would be infinitely be more likely to trust a press report stating that TSA policies prohibit storing and transmission of these images, but as with anything computer related there is always a risk that the system will operate in ways that were not intended.
Which is exactly why a FOI request revealed that 30,000 images had been stored and transmitted to a consultant. This is also why the TSA RFP (Request for Proposals, a purchase order in layman terms) for the scanners required that the scanners be able to save and store images, be network capable and be able to transmit stored images to other locations.
Why do you believe them when the say they can't do it when all the evidence indicates they can and that the agency has not only required that the machines be capable of doing so that they have been caught doing EXACTLY what they say they can't do. The DHS and TSA is FULL of liars!
Excuse me, but if we are allowed to shoot a politician everytime he lies and/or reverses his stand on any issue, we might as well wipe out every federal and state and local post there is. All you need to do is watch the Daily Show *any* random day of the week, and they will run a bit involving a senator or congressman saying one thing and then show how a year earlier he/she said the exact opposite.
Our political process seems to *depend* upon mass amnesia, where, depending upon which way the wind blows politicians can reverse their stands on an issue and somehow we never take notice. Certainly, the media (with the notable exception of Comedy Central) never takes notice.
Just because *you heard them say* "images will not be saved" doesn't mean that after this incident they won't say "images are being saved in the interests of national security and to use as evidence when and if potential threats are intercepted, and the perpetrators brought to justice".
Or, they'll puill a Fox News and just lie saying "Images are not being saved." And then you can show them the images and ask "what about these?" And they'll respond "In this post 9/11 world, there will always be isolated incidents where the appearance of inpropriety occurs. But it's in the best interests of all to support this technology as it's our patriotic duty to keep America safe."
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
I don't understand:
1. scanning machines that cannot store pictures - do.
2. voting machines that cannot output hard copy that can be used in recounts - don't.
A little consistency here, people. Please.
Perhaps you're too young to remember or just trying to bash Obama, but I seem to recall during the Bush administration that the telcos were all coerced to enable illegal blanket wiretaps on US citizens without warrants. These airport x-ray devices weren't invented, developed, and deployed in just two years. The rollout was initiated during the Bush administration. It was he who authorized the creation of an entire additional government department, the Department of Homeland Security. Talk about increasing government spending unnecessarily by duplicating efforts... Why won't the tea-partiers call it like it is?
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I saw two things in the video.
1) The average weight of people going into this courthouse in Florida is unusually high.
2) Most of the time, the "bad area" identified by the machine was in the ribcage area. To me, it looked like the system generated a boatload of false positives.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
It's not illegal, it's not even against regulations. It's against policy. They never bothered to take the step to make it illegal, and define penalties for violating it. Merely "we promise we won't do it... until we change our mind later.".
Agencies can't change laws.
Agencies can change regulations after public notice and comment.
Agencies can change policies at any time, in secret.
Lying about this is unconscionable, but I can see a valid reason for them wanting to save such things: it lets you know how they were defeated last time.
Suppose that somebody does manage to sneak something deadly on board. If this were a bug in a piece of software, you'd all want to leap to reconstructing the event, and you'd be irked if you knew you had deliberately thrown away a crucial piece of information. Especially since if it happened once, it could happen again. So you'd have to go on lockdown.
I'm NOT trying to justify this. Lying bad, radiation bad, groping bad, virtual strip search bad, TSA bad, pictures always leak, terrorists winning, Orwell right, etc. I'm good with all that.
But I'm a bit surprised that they didn't even try to make the case for saving the pictures, perhaps with an public key encryption and the private key kept only on a piece of paper locked in a safe somewhere. I guess they felt it was futile; people are uncomfortable enough about the pictures as it is.
I have been confused by this. They often report that there is no way for the machines to record the images and therefor it is not a violation of privacy. I do not see how that makes any difference. If someone creates a peep-hole in the women's changing room it is an invasion of privacy, whether pictures are taken or not.
On the other hand, I would WANT the machines to be able to capture the image if something suspicious was found. I would want them to show me on the screen why they felt they had the right to do a more invasive search if they thought they saw something suspicious. An image capture should be kept should the incident go to court for any reason (the screener followed up with a more invasive search when the screen did not display anything that should have raised any suspicions, or on the flip-side something illegal was found after a more invasive search but the suspect claims they were chosen illegally for a more invasive search.)
Seriously, I trust Gizmodo about 10 times less than the US Government.
Gizmodo saying something bad about them is almost a get out of jail free card.
Gizmodo is not a reputable source for anything, ESPECIALLY news that involves politics.
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They look at hundreds to thousands of headless scans a day. Sounds like a mostly dull job to me. Especially if you've been to an airport and seen how many unattractive people are traveling. I doubt adding my own ugly scan to pile would do much for either them or me. The complainers interviewed on TV are mostly an un-attractive lot. I dont see what they have to fear either.
Child porn.
Why should I care about the low-res crap copped from some security scanners?
Seriously, as long as they don't give me cancer (which is iffy so I'm "opting out" until "the science is in") or cause growths (like a second head,) who gives a fuck?
Hell, if they turn the heat up in winter, I'll walk naked through the airport. It won't be pretty but neither is comedy.
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"The function of any security checkpoint is to show who's boss." - Richard Ben Cramer
Can't wait till the next ' terrorist ' crams a few pounds of ( insert malleable plastic explosive here ) with a fuse and plastic or ceramic blasting cap up ( pick your favorite orifice here ) and boards a plane while passing the backscatter and even hand scanning systems in place today. Quick trip to the bathroom and voila ! Mayhem and destruction follows. If the Goatse man became a terrorist, he could probably get a small nuke up there and take out half an airport . . . . . :|
The only way to stop this is to stuff a nitrate sniffing wand up everyones a$$ or let the dogs cram their nose so far up there they'll find fleas in your stomach . . . . .
There is an old saying that goes something like this: You cannot stop a man from doing anything if he is willing to lay down his life to do it.
But that's what I'll be doing too.
Next summer, the wife and I are taking the Adirondack Express, a misnomer if I ever heard one, to Montréal, Québec, staying there a while to catch the Jazz Festival, flying to Calgary, taking the Trans Canada train through the Rockies, stopping at Lake Louise, more Rockies, down to Vancouver, flying back to Montréal, spending a few more days there before heading back on the Adirondack Express, aka The Garbage Run, back home to New York City.
Ah the joy of being retired (okay on disability, but I don't have to show up anywhere anymore,) and having a wife who's off school for summer.
Life is good when you don't have to rush...
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What I would personally like to see is someone with a young child, preferably female that instructs their child to start screaming if anyone touches their genitals.
link... have you called your airline contacts and congresscritters? I sure have.
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Those specific pictures are indeed blobs. But not all scanners create those pictures. Some scanners really outline the body, they show all the contours, they simply don't show the texture. So kind of nude if you ask me. You can find the real naked pictures around the web somewhere.
The thing is, the machines that show the shapes of the body (instead of a blob) really make an image explicit enough that I don't want another guy watching the x-ray of my wife or kids. I don't care that they do not see faces, if showing our nude bodies while hiding our faces was not a problem to us, my wife and I would be putting on ski masks and be shooting amateur porn on our spare time.
Also, I believe machines that create a blob actually scan the outline of the body (thus create a naked image), but software in the machine then draws a blob over the naked image. The problem is, if someone can hack the naked picture before the software blobs it (or if someone can disable the software), then they can get naked images with machines that are supposed to show blobs.
Another problem: if blobbed images can be stored, is the original un-blobbed and naked picture also stored in the machine?
And finally, the radiation is still a problem, but that's not the issue here.
Anyone know what the current procedures are in Canadian airports? (The real procedures, although the theoretical "these are your rights" is mildly interesting I guess.) I live close enough to the border that I might consider flying out of a Canadian airport.
it's not a train, it's a unmanned missile the size of the Chrysler building!!!!
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Those scans have very low resolution and don't look like "naked" pictures at all. If this was the best the scanners could do, I don't think most people would be worried. I wonder if this is a deliberate attempt by the government at disinformation.
No matter what promises were made, it's inevitable that the images from the scanners would be able to be saved... for evidence. Imagine if someone was actually caught with a bomb in their pants. When the case went to court, there would be no image from the scanner to provide a reason for the arrest, and the whole thing would be based on "He Said, She Said."
I would more believe in a policy of "not retained for more than 48 hours" than "Not able to be saved at all" - the former is more realistic, even if it's admitting they can be saved.
It has begun: http://www.scannerporn.com/
Don't worry, just a trial run so they can pick out distinguishing characteristics from the scans. Soon they can just store 50 reference points from the scans and identify people without passports or anything, like fingerprinting. The ultimate biometric identification system.
So, if I go through this backscatter machine wearing my tinfoil hat and I make another tinfoil hat for my groin (tinfoil underwear?), I take it that I'll be immediately tackled by security? Or does backscatter go right through tin foil?
It seems my choices are : wear a lead-suit, or go naked, since they are going to see you naked anyhow.
Also, let's say you're wearing an althetic cup?
Are they going to make you remove that to feel up your balls?
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
...that every single person in Orlando is fat. If body-scan porn wasn't already a niche, BBW body-scan porn will be.
A quick summary of information:
Most recent unconstitutional AND illegal TSA practice: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1258192/pg1
More details of the incident: http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/tsa-screener-terrorizes-3-year-old-girl
Food for thought:
- Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty~Thomas Jefferson
- Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe - Noah Webster
{{These links and info copied from other posts, but the information is so important I am sure the authors won't mind uncited references.}}
From the pictures, it looks like we're seeing a set of images where the automated part of the scanner picked up something interesting. Big wristwatches and belt buckles are marked for attention. These images were probably captures for that reason.
With that unit, the image resolution is so low that it shouldn't upset anyone.
I don't see why people are so upset about this. You know you're being scanned. What's the big deal?
> And let me tell you, once a pedophile finds out he can touch all the children he wants with TSA approval the ranks of the TSA are going to be FULL of pedophiles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already occurring!
Actually, it's natural selection at work. Normal people would be disgusted by the prospect of groping strangers. So all the normal people will quit. Thus, the TSA will be left only with the sort of people who enjoy this sort of thing, or they will be understaffed.
No matter how good they are at screening the screeners, so long as they are imperfect, the concentration of perverts will increase over time.
This can't end well.
So what happens when the scanners misidentify something questionable beneath ones clothes? I read an article earlier today stating that the body scanners have trouble with light clothing with folds or pleats and often "malfunctions".
http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20101116-31209.html
What then, are you strip searched for real? Just wait til that happens to some soccer mom or 17 yr old teenager
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/14/tsa-ejects-oceanside-man-airport-refusing-security/
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
This is a scam.
These scanners were promoted by Michael Cherfoff, Head of Homeland Security under W.
Now he is CEO of the Chertoff Group, and is lobbying for Rapiscan, which makes these very machines at issue here. How convenient.
Or groped. Have I missed something, and are Methodists from Ohio a terrorist threat to civilization? Why not hire real detectives to work security checks, who can decide to pass through embarrassingly innocent folks through with no irradiation and groping? If the detective has the slightest of doubts, sorry, you're off to the irradiation and groping line.
In the country where I live, millions of folks take trains to work every day. Some friendly neighborhood terrorist put a suitcase with a bomb on a train, which luckily did not go off. How did the authorities respond? Pat down all passengers? No, police armed with HK MP5s patrolled the train stations, and talked to anyone that looked suspicious. Not grandmas and their grandchildren. No other terrorist attempted attacks have occurred.
This "let's just irradiate and grope everyone" policy is just an indication that the folks who work for the TSA are such dumb-asses that they could not tell the difference between Osama bin Laden and Mother Theresa in the security line. Hiring real detectives would obviate this problem, and save money and time for most travelers.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Security is illusory.
The kid who "borrowed" my Rav/4 was not licensed and he certainly didn't have my registration when the car got sideswiped in Brooklyn.
The little fuck can rot in juvie hall for all I care.
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Well, the xrays and microwave scanners are to replace metal detectors. In the UK, the xrays are *mandatory*. In the US they are "optional" but you will be flagged or worse. Only a matter of months before they are mandatory.
http://www.info4security.com/story.asp?sectioncode=13&storycode=4124116
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=156962.0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/26/new-body-scanners-heathrow
Airline passengers will have no right to refuse to go through a full-body search scanner when the devices are introduced at Heathrow airport next week, ministers have confirmed.
Soon, apparently they will be installing microwave scanners on streetlight poles to scan all passerbys....
Sites like prisonplanet.com used to be about bunch of nonsense. Well, the cooks got it right!! We (the general population) are fucked and according to TSA 98% likes it!! Started with the shoes, went onto bottles and now it's .......... bend-over fatty! In the US, vast majority don't give a shit about privacy, etc..
Funny, this technology was tested on prisoners for about 9-10 years. And prisoners "prefer" this to getting groped. And now, airport security == getting groped so they fix it with this "solution" that was just waiting to be introduced? This IS PRISON!
PS. This post is probably recorded and I will most likely be one of the "random" people required to go through the xrays. I've finally received my passport recently, but I will certainly try to avoid flying from now on.... Used to fly all over due to convenience, but this is pants! (or pantless?)
PPS. CAPTCHA - indexed! FFS!! :P
I just saw this in the local (Springfield, IL) newspaper:
Free Martian Whores!
What is most interesting about the images is that the millimeter wave images show passengers in the background, not just the passenger being scanned. Apparently they just irradiate the whole area.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
The next generation of scanners will have the option to directly upload to Facebook.
Honestly, what intelligent person would take that job? It's a guaranteed FAIL!
Either, you increase security so that the public is unhappy about it, or a terrorist even happens, or both. There is simply no positive upside to the job.
Taking it implies that your ambition exceeds your intelligence.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Fuck the TSA. Fuck the politicians. Fuck them all. This clusterfuck has gone on long enough. Fuck them.
Is it just me, or doesn't it seem odd that all the pictures posted had some sort of detection in them...as if....these were....TRAINING images?
Why would Gizmodo pick 100 out of supposedly 35,000 that all had something fishy going on in them (highlighted by the blue alarm detection graphic), other than to guess that these are training images used to train the operators on how to use the machinery? Hey, but I don't train TSA employees on how to operate scanners for a living or anything, so whatever.
Listen, son, your misguided objection and recompense against Certified security personel costs passengers lots of money if not milliseconds for every suspect outburst and affront you cause against trained administrators and trustees to uphold the quality-control of TSA and Airline(tm) inspections: we need to bill you in such high numbers, yet having no corpus delecti other than cause of inefficieny in processing/assimilating you into a seat. In all my experience with Terrorism, terrorists want to cause little losses of productivity like this: these terrorists are always these beady-eyed intellectual types living in bathrobes and towels somewhere in a cave or sauna.
The terrorists want to take 2 of your daughters as collateral while your son smuggles a small lead-coated vile of radioactive germ warfare agent into his pre-pubescent penis shaft and walk right past the TSA airport screeners. Nope, I will not be using Carrier Pigeons, bales of hay on a truck, mosquitoes, or Tampons to smuggle my virus into the country: I'm a terrorist, and will use all kinds of emotional fear in your mind while making it that difficult for you to accomplish my task, that you will bend over backwards and flip 180-degrees to a handstand to accomplish my goal like a Russian Brown Bear trained to play Hockey on Ice Skates (Youtube).
Because of terrorists like me, every little boy will need to have their shaft and bladder examined with a King Arthur-approved SuperSnake(TM) that I just bought from the Shamwow Salesman (As Seen On TV). If there is any blood involved, don't worry because OxiClean is gentle on your fabrics: even Lace! After I've directed TSA to search your child in-front of others, I'll be taking photographs of genital regions of your and your fellow by-standers to search for pederast Behaviour(sm) and I'll even consider searching your luggage for such related materials by opening the Security Device (TSA-approved lock) that granted me access to borrow your property indefinitely.
Too bad you are not known as a Patroon at the general post-office anymore in the mailing--I mean HANDLING of your packages before entering the belly of our Bird of Prey's expendable cargo-crevice, so you have no remedy to this approved prior-arrainged procedure we will continue referring you as a Misster Customer.
Have a nice day, because I commanded you to have a nice day, Subject.
Sin-serinely,
A paper terrorist that accuses others of being a paper terrorist to distract everyone from me.
If it is an image of a child, isn't that child porn? If so, prosecute the bastards.
Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
Yeah, and remember they are safe too. Pay no attention to the ionizing radiation behind the curtain...
Nothing, why?
How the Israelis do airport security
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/11/yeffet.air.security.israel/index.html
Former El Al security chief Isaac Yeffet on border, airport security
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/81428/Q_A_Former_El_Al_security_chief_Isaac_Yeffet_on_border_airport_security
At least, it isn't 'ionizing radiation', which is the radiation most people think of when they hear the word 'radiation' - e.g. the type that can give you radiation sickness, cancer, etc. "Millimeter wave" scanners are just radio waves. We live in a constant ocean of radio waves. 24 hours a day radio waves are passing through you (at least, at some frequencies), and bouncing off you (at other frequencies). If they *must* scan people, I'd rather it be with radio waves than X-Rays, which *are* radiation in the 'ionizing radiation' sense of the word.
It's not like they're high resolution photographs which show a lot of detail. What's presented on the linked sites are very blocky/pixelly images with almost no contrast - there's really nothing to see. If that's all there is, people need to move on and quit worrying about. Of course, if they increase the resolution and contrast in the future, then there might be a valid reason to worry, but I for one honestly wouldn't give a crap if someone posted a crappy blocky no contrast 'naked' picture of me somewhere - there's not even enough detail to identify who you're looking at in those.
. . .justify each and every individual decision to screen someone. As soon as you give the TSA discretion to 'skip over' people they think don't fit 'the profile' of 'suspicious/possibly dangerous', everyone else will bitch about being targetted.
Nobody can claim discrimination or prejudice if everyone is screened.
Also, the second you exempt a group, people will start trying to claim other groups *should* be exempt - you'll get the muslims saying muslim grandmothers in full head-to-toe Burkas should just be passed through - that you shouldn't just exempt 'white' grandmothers.
There's also the small possiblity that someone in a group you would otherwise never expect to be terrorists (e.g. an elderly white person), might have converted to a radicalized form of some ideology or another, and are used as a mule exactly because everyone knows they won't be screened. Or maybe, "The Terrorists" do something like kidnapping their grandchild and telling them if they don't do what they're told, their grandkid is gonna get a bullet in the back of the head, or tortured. From that standpoint, no exempting them is protecting them - if no group is exempted from screening, then there's no particular incentive to target a member of any particular group.
Why, I once allowed a doctor to strip my wife naked and cut her open with a knife to pull a baby out. If I had no problems with a doctor doing it, I shouldn't have any problems with anyone else cutting my wife open either.
Why, just the other day I let a nurse jab a needle into my kid, so clearly it's OK for the TSA to do the same!
You're not going to seriously argue that TSA agents carry the same responsibilities and follow the same codes as doctors, priests and lawyers, are you?
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
Actually as a security Consultant you are wrong on your task. Every person arriving to a building should request an inspection or rental of existing fit clothes to wear on-sight on the premises. This way the prior clothes are isolated and the well-searched clothes are fitted in a room that is screened properly that no contraband needs be X-Rayed through clothes or such.
In my experiences, some kinds of clothes have been interwoven with metalic fabrics to cause body-implanted devices and contraband to be extremely dithered by the clothes. I've even met a obese person who refused/couldn't get all 450lbs out of it's wheelchair for a proper Search and Screening and we found not only licorice between the rolls of fat but a pillbox containing tweezers under the chin using a earth-magnet to hold it to another earth-magnet in the mouth.
The lengths and excuses people go through to smuggle if not carry matter onboard planes gives me reason to believe that the airlines want to isolate people from their cary-on to save money or something other. To accomodate all the spectacular searches necessary from every kind of person, I think they all should swim nude with a respirator in a pool of base water in-front of cameras and X'Ray Imagers and actual People observing every bump on their body for the chance something organic or a cellulose/plastic tool/bomb isn't hiding in the skin beyond view.
"Pics or it didn't happen".
(Someone had to say it, and we're almost 500 comments in without anyone doing their duty.)
Actually, I wonder how many of these images will soon be downloadable. Not that I expect it to compete with any real porn site, of course.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
I have way more than 35K full body scans. Perhaps the government can pay me $1M to re-examine them. It is a matter of national security, trust me.
"Last week, one of my flying partners (Captain with Skywest) was going through security at DEN with his 18 year daughter. As his daughter approached the detector, the TSO working the NoS said on his headset, "heads up, got a cutie for you." He then confronted the TSA clerk with what he said and that neither of us are going through the NoS. The TSA clerk said you must have misunderstood me.
He said pat-down was pretty evasive, and his daughter felt uncomfortable. "
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1147497-tso-saying-heads-up-got-cutie-you.html
I will vote.
It may not help in reality, but theoretically, if everyone else is with me, we can make a difference.
Zero!
Actuall minus 10 days.
The U.S. Marshalls sold the lot to Mofia contacts for big $$$$$.
What a Circus.
As for me ... I'm going into the rasberry favored condom business and sell the condoms to passangers outside of the TSA "insecure zones".
That way, everybody can opt-out for a TSA overweight pervert to suck all penis's. At least they will be rasberry flavored and better yet, the TSA penis sucker can't transmit AIDS, Siphlius or other sexual desease to air travelers ... ah ... those travelers wearing my condoms.
TA HA HA HA
I bet that with a little more poking by the powers that be, we could gather a semi-large crowd to all participate in an airport No Pants Day.
I think you guys are going about it the wrong way.. Surely there must be some TSA agents who are uncomfortable with this new policy.. All it will take is one agent fired for "refusing to touch up a child" and this will be busted wide open.
I find it amusing that people can live with such cognitive dissonance.
645 posts, the bulk of them blaming this on a president 2 years gone.
So if I understand your logic, the government before 2000 was a pristine engine of public good, respected its citizens, and was run by conscientious thoughtful bureaucrats who only wanted to do right.
2001-2008 Satan took hold, and shall forever after be blamed for anything we don't like.
The Forces of Good took over congress (2007) and the white house (2009), yet were somehow unable to mitigate any of the evil done by the previous Dark Entity.
Is that right?
-Styopa