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One Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect Dead, Other At Large After Shootout With Police
theodp writes "During the night, The Tech broke news that gunshots were reported at MIT near 32 Vassar Street (the Ray and Maria Stata Center for Computer, Information, and Intelligence Sciences), and one officer was shot and taken to Mass General Hospital. MIT's Emergency Information page also reports that injuries have been reported. Sadly, CNN is now reporting that the university police officer has died. Look for updates on Twitter."
The two suspects identified earlier as being behind the Boston Marathon bombings are believed to be responsible for this. They were found by police. One suspect, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout. The other suspect, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is still being pursued. The Associated Press reports that the two are believed to be from the Russian region near Chechnya. During the firefight, the suspects threw explosive devices at police. Public transit in Boston has been shut down, and hundreds of thousands of people have been asked to not leave their homes. Here are live feed for local TV news and emergency services audio. Police have been warned that the remaining suspect may have a suicide vest.
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
This just getting worse and worse!
Hey how come you forgot to mention these are Chechen Bagger NRA loving bible thumpers huh?
"Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed in a shootout"
That is not known, it is quite possible he died of bast from his suicide vest at the hospital or on the way, It is believed his last words were "I love the NRA, hold by beer and watch this!"
Fuckwads.
Are there any MSM reports about the Navy Seals at the Boston Marathon, with backpacks?
Will also plant bombs for passport apparently. Tamerlan Tsarnaev seeks US Passport for "Olympics"
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
It looks like, from what I can gather from online media etc., that they were carrying explosives to plant around MIT. And it was campus security that first become suspicious. If this is the case, then thoughts are with the campus security officer that gave his life - a lot of students are probably a lot better off because of his bravery. Thoughts are with everyone in boston and hope this is over soon.
Watch the total absence of the posters who previously seemed to think that it was just as likely to be the tea party or the Mormon tabernacle choir as Muslims. Though there have been exceptions this sort of attack, aimed at killing and injuring indiscriminately is the hallmark of Islam.
http://t.co/0A3Mjmshkz
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https://twitter.com/AKitz/status/325121071479156736/photo/1
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https://twitter.com/akitz = andrew kitzenberg's twitter site
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supposedly, backpacks on Laurel Street where a police shoot-out occured. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3664323&cid=43490229
Reader Okian Warrior points out a related story worthy of notice:
"The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Dark skinned. He must be guilty. Basically 4chan, like anonymous, is simply a bastion of the socially immature taking vigilante justice into their own hands. Stoke the fire of society's fears and then claim innocence when someone acts on their "information".
Culturally aware stereotyping Microsoft Clippy explains Boston news coverage, both correct and incorrect. "You wrote bad guy, possibly foreign. DID YOU MEAN RUSSIAN BAD GUY?" "You wrote Russian bad guy, DID YOU MEAN ISLAMIC RUSSIAN BAD GUY?" "You identified an Islamic Russian villain, DID YOU MEAN ISLAMIC RUSSIAN VILLAIN WHO BOXES?" "You identified Islamic Russian Villain who boxes, DID YOU MEAN ILLEGAL ALIEN RUSSIAN BOXER VILLAIN?" "This guy seems like a really bad guy, SHOULD I CALL FOR SYLVESTER STALLONE, CLAIRE DANES, KIEFER SUTHERLAND, OR THE WOLVERINES?"
The Muzzies are coming! The Muzzies are coming!
Everyone keep calm
They're violent and they're evil
And they mean to do us harm.
I mean, completely closed until they hunt down suspect #2. I guess they're worried that he'll emerge from his hiding place (somewhere in Watertown, a close suburb) and carjack someone and start throwing explosives in random neighborhoods, which is pretty much what he already did.
Stop this please. Stay in your lane and stick to news for nerds.
Seriously, it's a incredible slow aggregator.
... to dope up the one patsy with Scopolamine and get him to say whatever the "interrogators" want.
Operation Gladio
Strategy of Tension
And, so you understand the history of "interrogators"
The Gulag Archipelago
Use a search engine that doesn't cookie you so you don't get put into the 'nutso' tranche.
Police did what they could to take them alive, since a dead person doesn't talk much. In that kind of situation, couldn't they use some kind of anaesthetic bullets? Sure, many people prefer them dead, but taking them alive is a way to collect more relevant information.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
tunein
Lifetime movie is in the works !! Working title:
"Theatre of the Damned !!"
Starring Ed Norton as bomber #1 !! Tom Sizemore as bombed #2 !! Nicole Kidman plays the woman seduced them !! Coming this summer !!
I don't mean to be disrespectful to the victims of the bombings in Boston, or to those students in Cambridge, Mass. USA. who are terrified right now, but ...
Does this story really have a place on Slashdot?
You can read more about it on practically every major news site, and it is live on all news-oriented TV channels all over the world. It does not need to be on the tech sites too.
If you already are anxious, you don't need to be bombarded with more news that make you even more terrified. You need a place to relax, to help you concentrate on other matters.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
I really do. Even though i have little love for police my condolences to the family of tue officer. However, to feed the conspiracy folks, it does seem convienent that one is dead already. Shades of Jack Ruby?
Silence is a state of mime.
Play by play......really slashdot? Give us a good post-op synopsis, don't fuel the speculation fire.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
"The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). This was then picked up by The New York Post, who ran the image on Thursday's front page with the headline 'Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.' And now, a completely innocent teen now finds himself scared to leave his home."
Yesterday on my facebook news feed I saw no less than three fake images that could have been mean pranks. And I didn't even see the one listed above. So now all the "crowd sourced" news folks are going to remove images of this man and this woman and this guy. The reason I didn't propagate these things was that they could have been anybody! You could play a mean prank on a friend/enemy if you have a picture of him with a backpack.
Also there are many fake first hand accounts but also some real first hand accounts in crowdsourced news. Ignore the former and herald the latter. People will think you're doing god's work simply because they didn't watch the shitfest that is crowdsourced news in the moments of pure confusion immediately following the event. The signal to noise ratio, the added noise, the fact that people can start leads anonymously, it all reeks of a really bad, lawless, unaccountable lynch mob.
So now post hoc you scrub out all those false leads and you clean up all the things you were wrong about. Then when that's done you point out the few leads you were right about. Then you go on and on at length about how 4chan and reddit are the new real sources of journalism. The mainstream press is busted to all hell (do not confuse this with a free pass or defense for them) but they know they'll be held accountable and the New York Post's gamble should really turn into a slander/libel suit with damages paid out to that young man. NYP made money off those 'exclusive' images at the expense of a person's safety and that should be a civil suit that should expose the NYP for what it really is: a piece of shit rag no better than a tabloid version of "crowd-sourced" news.
Who was it that initially fingered Salah Eddin Barhoum? You don't know and no one ever will because there is no integrity with how that lead was developed.
My work here is dung.
A corrupt slashdot luser has pentrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.
Nearly 230++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March/April 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...
Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:
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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 230 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307
&/or
B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here
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(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March/April 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).
* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!
(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).
APK
P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...
Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March/April now, & 230++ times that I know of @ least)... apk
P.S.=> here is CORRECT host file information just to piss off the insane lunatic troll:
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21++ ADVANTAGES OF CUSTOM HOSTS FILES (how/what/when/where/why):
Over AdBlock & DNS Servers ALONE 4 Security, Speed, Reliability, & Anonymity (to an extent vs. DNSBL's + DNS request logs).
1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program). A truly "multi-platform" UNIVERSAL solution for added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBL's you feel are unjust hosts get you past/around).
2.) Adblock blocks ads? Well, not anymore & certainly not as well by default, apparently, lol - see below:
Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option )
AND, in only browsers & their subprogram families (ala email like Thunderbird for FireFox/Mozilla products (use same gecko & xulrunner engines)), but not all, or, all independent email clients, like Outlook, Outlook Express, OR Window "LIVE" mail (for example(s)) - there's many more like EUDORA & others I've used over time that AdBlock just DOES NOT COVER... period.
Disclaimer: Opera now also has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc..
3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF (non-mozilla/gecko engine based) family based wares, So AdBlock doesn't protect email programs like Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows "LIVE" mail & others like them (EUDORA etc./et al), Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM M
It's a little school known for its small geek population. Perhaps you've heard of it? Well, if you read the story, you'd realize the suspects where there, and an MIT officer was killed as a result.
The New York Times is reporting that the two suspects attempted to light a bomb while engaging in gun-fire with the police during a standoff outside of the Watertown, MA, house of Andrew Kitzenberg. Andy Kitzenberg has been live tweeting images of the police activity, shootout, and bomb explosions, and a bullet going through his wall and his armchair on twitter as linked above.
One of the brothers went to Cambridge Rindge and Latin, one of the oldest high schools in the USA.
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You know what they will use this anecdote to justify: more cameras with better resolution that are always on. Think 'Eye of Sauron'.
and, i fully expect to be modded down for this: if we allow ourselves to be terrorized, the point of the action was successful. Locking down the entire city, ordering businesses closed, and shutting down the mass transit system is the very definition of "successful terrorist attack." No amount of national anthem sing-song is going to somehow magically avoid this fact.
Good people go to bed earlier.
So what do you call them now, Americans, are these Chechen guys "terrorists" or "freedom fighters"?
They are Islamist, that much certain, so why are they bombing USA, after all USA was probably more on the side of Chechens in their search for independence from Russia (this is of-course about oil, there is oil in Chechnya).
However it is my personal guess that these guys wanted to bring some terror to USA as an asymmetric response to USA being in the Middle East, Afghanistan most likely. What is interesting is that the two brothers (Johar is the younger one) lived in USA as refugees since 2000-2001. What else could be their motivation if not a newly discovered sympathy towards their 'brothers in religion' somewhere in the Afghan mountains, being attacked by the US empire?
I think this is an example of how exactly the war on Terror will backfire just like the war on drugs did with more violence and more drugs.
War on terror creates more terrorists that were just kids just a few years ago. War on drugs creates more drug related violence.
There is an old idea that violence begets violence, I think it's very much true.
You can't handle the truth.
I know...mod me down as an anti-gun nut. But at least try to make the connection.
The advantage of crowdsourcing is that you get a shit-ton of information quickly, and it gets disseminated just as quickly. Everybody with a cell phone and a social media account has had this stuff in front of them since the bombing. It's great because it happens so fast, and millions of people being on alert can make for a quicker break in the case. It also has the downside of putting up a lot of false positives.
The NRA's stance is that if everyone had a gun, criminals would know not to so bad stuff and if they did there would be someone right there to stop them. It's basically crowd sourcing police/law enforcement work. Yes, there are now lots more people who can intervene with a criminal who is armed and dangerous. Just as everyone with a cell phone can photograph a scene and post the pictures on line for the world to peruse and instantly identify criminals.
Thing is, the more people who are involved, the higher the likelihood of a false positive. In the case of photos and social media, the mis-identified have a reason to be concerned short term, but once the media self-corrects and the correct criminals are identified their lives will slowly get back to normal. When guns are involved, a mis-identified person or bystander doesn't get a new life when the actual criminal is killed. The "oops" is permanent.
If you don't think there isn't the equivalent of 4chan in the vigilante world, you're sorely mistaken. It's part of the human condition to jump to conclusions based on limited evidence and not everyone will have the forethought or presence of mind not to take out someone who they think is about to cause harm to others.
If we used the NRA method of justice, Salah Eddin Barhoum would have been dead before the FBI even published the photos of the actual bombers.
(nb: I am a gun owner)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
How do they know they killed the right guy?
A suspect is not known to be guilty, only circumstantially involved in some way that draws attention the the possibility of guilty involvement, hence the meaning of suspect.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Maybe it's better to consider he/they are guilty until proven innocent. It can be sorted out later anyways, right?
I remember watching interview with a Reagan SS agent and a story about a kid who held a water pistol a "threatening manner" and almost got drilled. I suppose he would be a suspect worth taking out to avoid the risk these days.
It's better they call the drones in if they already haven't.
Blue team: Go!
He's not from _near_ Chechnya. It's not a city, it's a region. They are Chechens. References to "his native Chechnya". (The capital is Grozny).
He doesn't consider himself Russian, and he doesn't think he comes from "the Russian region near Chechnya". It was a de facto republic that Russia regained control of militarily.
He's likely a Sunni muslim, but it's quite possible that isn't really a factor here; this could simply be an international protest bombing regarding the west's stance on Chechen independence. Chechens are Muslims the way that Russians are Orthodox Christians and Americans are Catholic or Calvinist in origin; Islam hasn't as far as I understand it been a feature element of their struggle.
Slate is twisting itself in new corners. Now that it seems the bombers are Tjetchen, they are claiming that since they are technically Caucasian, they are white and therefor it ain't brown people just as they said.
EXCEPT that in the shooting of Trevor by a Hispanic guy, suddenly Hispanic does NOT mean your white because they are Caucasian... wow, it certainly seems as if being white and Caucasian are only the same thing if it is convenient. (By the way, this goes for the left and right).
And by the way, slate is NOT left wing, it is the bleeding heart wing. Real left can and often is very hard and most definitely anti-faith.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Hide pussy hide! Too bad 150,000 citizen mini-14s are not aiding in the Muzzi-wog slap_down. Bet that towel-headed bytch would be dead already and fyucking his 70 houri one-by-one.
On the screen, a man turned a corner. The Mechanical Hound rushed forward into the viewer, suddenly. The helicopter light shot down a dozen brilliant pillars that built a cage all about the man.
A voice cried, “There's Montag! The search is done!”
The innocent man stood bewildered, a cigarette burning in his hand. He stared at the Hound, not knowing what it was. He probably never knew. He glanced up at the sky and the wailing sirens. The cameras rushed down. The Hound leapt up into the air with a rhythm and a sense of timing that was incredibly beautiful. Its needle shot out. It was suspended for a moment in their gaze, as if to give the vast audience time to appreciate everything, the raw look of the victim's face, the empty street, the steel animal a bullet nosing the target.
“Montag, don't move!” said a voice from the sky.
The camera fell upon the victim, even as did the Hound. Both reached him simultaneously. The victim was seized by Hound and camera in a great spidering, clenching grip. He screamed. He screamed. He screamed!
Blackout.
Silence.
Darkness.
I suspect that the 'friends' of Johar are now in an unfortunate situation, I am quite certain they will now be facing some government scrutiny, something you don't want to face even in USA but especially in Russia.
What do you think about being 'friends' with somebody on social network sites, isn't it just too convenient for the authorities to go after 'friends' in case they don't like somebody? Imagine the government decides you are an enemy for any reason, all of your their 'social network friends' are immediately suspect. What a pot of gold for the government.
You can't handle the truth.
Why is it always MALES??
I mean, why can't we get more WOMEN into terrorism? We can't seem to get them interested in Engineering, and now it seems we need more equal opportunity for terrorism.
What can be done about this? Sheesh, will the sexism never end for us??
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
TAILS OS - do you use it? Anon needs help to improve it.
New Anonymous project to curb Tails privacy/security issues!
Tails - new unofficial project to nip the buds
(Please see the .onion link at the bottom of this article for where to respond and help this project with your suggestions. Please do not post at the Tails forums, Tor mailing lists, or in IRC - we are only checking the existing thread at the .onion location below, which requires Tor to access.)
In a few areas of the Tails Forums, (one example below) Tails users have posted about certain 'data collection, logging, debugging, Whisperback', and other issues a distro such as Tails should not include!
I am working on a project which will stop this type of collection and it will be free and released with each new version of Tails (it won't be included with the Tails distro or worked on by Tails/Tor developers) â" matching any changes the Tails team may make to try and obscure these data logging/collection activities between versions.
Here is one example post from a concerned user (post exists now, could be deleted later!):
Why does Tails log too much? .recently-used.xbel
https://tails.boum.org/forum/Why_does_Tails_log_too_much__63___.recently-used.xbel/
#
An example of this is this hidden file: .recently-used.xbel located in amnesia folder. To see, open Home/amnesia, press Cntrl+h, look for that file. The contents of that file logs recently used programs and files with names and timestamps.
There are many other logs for different activities and events, a simple look around can locate these.
Caching thumbnails, recent documents, terminal command history and the similar..
Why would Tails need to log all these things during the session?
Some are useful for bug reporting, but many other arent and are widely revealing of system activities.
Yes, a restart will wipe everything, but what about while in the session?
Can an option be made for Tails to be log free or normal where the user can choose between the two? Like run log free and if a problem occurs to re-run tails with logs to identify the problem.â
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There are debugging scripts, Whisperback, a script to drop all firewall protection, and much more in Tails.
I need more information from Tails users (Tails developers and those pretending not to be Tails developers posting against this will be ignored) before the first release is announced.
Boot into Tails and examine every nook and cranny and post about any file(s) with full path, which contain anything related to logging (excluding /var/log directories â" those will be dealt with) and/or sending of individual personal data.
On their mailing list they even had the balls to discuss whether or not they should add the package 'popcon'!
This project will be developed by an anonymous user (not included in the well known 'Anonymous' group). I will not reveal usernames from posters here, but I may credit this forum with each release with thanks for the help.
So boot into the most recent release of Tails, sniff around as much as possible, and post back juicy information to the thread in 'NEWS': http://clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion/
Thank you.
TAILS OS - do you use it? Anon needs help to improve it.
New Anonymous project to curb Tails privacy/security issues!
Tails - new unofficial project to nip the buds
(Please see the .onion link at the bottom of this article for where to respond and help this project with your suggestions. Please do not post at the Tails forums, Tor mailing lists, or in IRC - we are only checking the existing thread at the .onion location below, which requires Tor to access.)
In a few areas of the Tails Forums, (one example below) Tails users have posted about certain 'data collection, logging, debugging, Whisperback', and other issues a distro such as Tails should not include!
I am working on a project which will stop this type of collection and it will be free and released with each new version of Tails (it won't be included with the Tails distro or worked on by Tails/Tor developers) â" matching any changes the Tails team may make to try and obscure these data logging/collection activities between versions.
Here is one example post from a concerned user (post exists now, could be deleted later!):
Why does Tails log too much? .recently-used.xbel
https://tails.boum.org/forum/Why_does_Tails_log_too_much__63___.recently-used.xbel/
#
An example of this is this hidden file: .recently-used.xbel located in amnesia folder. To see, open Home/amnesia, press Cntrl+h, look for that file. The contents of that file logs recently used programs and files with names and timestamps.
There are many other logs for different activities and events, a simple look around can locate these.
Caching thumbnails, recent documents, terminal command history and the similar..
Why would Tails need to log all these things during the session?
Some are useful for bug reporting, but many other arent and are widely revealing of system activities.
Yes, a restart will wipe everything, but what about while in the session?
Can an option be made for Tails to be log free or normal where the user can choose between the two? Like run log free and if a problem occurs to re-run tails with logs to identify the problem.â
#
There are debugging scripts, Whisperback, a script to drop all firewall protection, and much more in Tails.
I need more information from Tails users (Tails developers and those pretending not to be Tails developers posting against this will be ignored) before the first release is announced.
Boot into Tails and examine every nook and cranny and post about any file(s) with full path, which contain anything related to logging (excluding /var/log directories â" those will be dealt with) and/or sending of individual personal data.
On their mailing list they even had the balls to discuss whether or not they should add the package 'popcon'!
This project will be developed by an anonymous user (not included in the well known 'Anonymous' group). I will not reveal usernames from posters here, but I may credit this forum with each release with thanks for the help.
So boot into the most recent release of Tails, sniff around as much as possible, and post back juicy information to the thread in 'NEWS': http://clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion/
Thank you.
In Irish Boston, Former Soviet Chechnyans bomb you.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
It seems that there might almost be a natural scaling law for multiple sources invoked in a given investigation. With a traditional, established core number of sources, there is more established review of the merits of their reporting. For multiple unestablished or anonymous sources, a certain amount of manpower needed to verify each bias would begin to counter the potential efficiency of crowdsourcing methods. At a certain point, the net gain might cease to scale favourably with numbers, barring emergence of self-organisational practices. How all of this should be taken into consideration when interpreting crowdsourced reports will surely require generations to become known.
I think this demonstrates the effectiveness of Al Qaeda. We know something about their public thinking about how they are going to go after us.
1) recruit white Muslims (e.g. Chechans) and converts
2) lone wolf Mumbai-style attack designed to cause maximum disruption, like that racist North African nutjob in Toulouse
Using white people, and attacking on Tax Day is obviously the product of a clever, sick mind. They trying to sow as much confusion as possible, and to their extremist supporters, seeing us thrash about in confusion makes them think they're winning.
Now the drones -- according to both our own people as well as our enemies -- are working, but obviously, the terrorists' opsec is sufficiently good, that their planners and strategists are still able to work effectively.
Obama needs to double down on the current formula and make them bleed. The Russians have demonstrated in the past, that the only way to deal with Muslim extremists is to crush and humiliate them utterly.
Frankly, I hope they catch the second shooter, flay him alive, and then blow his friends in Pakistan to pieces. It's the only way we'll be able to stop them.
Russian in fact. That should confuse everybody nicely.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The summary states: "The 4chan crowd, poring over images of the Boston marathon, identified two dark-skinned and bag-carrying suspects (among others). "
This is incorrect. The picture had one caucasian and one person with light skin but Arab/Middle Eastern facial features.
Does it matter that the summary says two dark-skinned persons were identified when this isn't true? I'm not sure. If it didn't matter, why did the summary state it, albeit incorrectly?
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Lo and behold he's a Muslim. Mo.Fo's
look at how long it takes to resolve these isolated instances of chaos, imagine a 1-9 MILLION MAN/WOMAN military from N.Korea - it would be ANARCHY!!
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Please go invest your life savings into gold and silver, so the rest of us can laugh as the value of those two precious metals so often used to scam tard party patriots out of their money.
Buy gold and silver because Obama!!!
Buy it from one of the scam artists sponsoring inforwars.com because you are a fucking moron.
ghod bless you APKtroll for bringing some much needed balance and reason to this thread!
I grew up in southie. Moved to upstate NH years ago. Its crazy how different things are up here. If there was a manhunt looking for someone with bombs and guns I can assure you we wouldn't be taking cover in our homes. We'd be on our porches ready. The news stories would be completely different I assure you.
"couldn't they use some kind of anaesthetic bullets?"
BATMAN ISN'T REAL.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
... The ratio of crappy versus good cops seems to go up when you're dealing with rent-a-cops and security, yes ...
Campus police may be real cops, especially so at state schools. At the University of California they are actually equivalent to state police and may patrol areas off campus with large concentrations of students. At my campus when a nearby bank was robbed the UC Police were the first on scene, confronting and containing armed robbers. When a local police officer was shot during a routine traffic stop one night, and the suspect fled into a nearby industrial park, the UC Police, the local police and the police from the neighboring town were searching and clearing the buildings in the park. I forget which department actually found the guy.
TAILS OS - do you use it? Anon needs help to improve it.
New Anonymous project to curb Tails privacy/security issues!
Tails - new unofficial project to nip the buds
(Please see the .onion link at the bottom of this article for where to respond and help this project with your suggestions. Please do not post at the Tails forums, Tor mailing lists, or in IRC - we are only checking the existing thread at the .onion location below, which requires Tor to access.)
In a few areas of the Tails Forums, (one example below) Tails users have posted about certain 'data collection, logging, debugging, Whisperback', and other issues a distro such as Tails should not include!
I am working on a project which will stop this type of collection and it will be free and released with each new version of Tails (it won't be included with the Tails distro or worked on by Tails/Tor developers) â" matching any changes the Tails team may make to try and obscure these data logging/collection activities between versions.
Here is one example post from a concerned user (post exists now, could be deleted later!):
Why does Tails log too much? .recently-used.xbel
https://tails.boum.org/forum/Why_does_Tails_log_too_much__63___.recently-used.xbel/
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An example of this is this hidden file: .recently-used.xbel located in amnesia folder. To see, open Home/amnesia, press Cntrl+h, look for that file. The contents of that file logs recently used programs and files with names and timestamps.
There are many other logs for different activities and events, a simple look around can locate these.
Caching thumbnails, recent documents, terminal command history and the similar..
Why would Tails need to log all these things during the session?
Some are useful for bug reporting, but many other arent and are widely revealing of system activities.
Yes, a restart will wipe everything, but what about while in the session?
Can an option be made for Tails to be log free or normal where the user can choose between the two? Like run log free and if a problem occurs to re-run tails with logs to identify the problem.â
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There are debugging scripts, Whisperback, a script to drop all firewall protection, and much more in Tails.
I need more information from Tails users (Tails developers and those pretending not to be Tails developers posting against this will be ignored) before the first release is announced.
Boot into Tails and examine every nook and cranny and post about any file(s) with full path, which contain anything related to logging (excluding /var/log directories â" those will be dealt with) and/or sending of individual personal data.
On their mailing list they even had the balls to discuss whether or not they should add the package 'popcon'!
This project will be developed by an anonymous user (not included in the well known 'Anonymous' group). I will not reveal usernames from posters here, but I may credit this forum with each release with thanks for the help.
So boot into the most recent release of Tails, sniff around as much as possible, and post back juicy information to the thread in 'NEWS': http://clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion/
Thank you.
Okay, so Slashdot is covering this with multiple stories. I must have some kind of tech/geek angle.
I can't find it though.
(and no, the 4chan bit doesn't count)
Seriously slashdot. I know you're American and it seems like this is the biggest news story since like ever, but it isn't, and you don't have anything to add. I can get all the news I want about it by watching CNN/Fox/BBC/ABC/etc. I come to Slashdot to read about the latest tech news, not the latest US news.
Although, in real life, blowing people up is kind of dickish behavior, everybody loves watching a good mad bomber media fracas from a safe distance away.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
They are the original
Scientologists !!
Got that straight from Tom Cruise hiself !!
Slate is twisting itself in new corners. Now that it seems the bombers are Tjetchen, they are claiming that since they are technically Caucasian, they are white and therefor it ain't brown people just as they said.
EXCEPT that in the shooting of Trevor by a Hispanic guy, suddenly Hispanic does NOT mean your white because they are Caucasian... wow, it certainly seems as if being white and Caucasian are only the same thing if it is convenient. (By the way, this goes for the left and right).
And by the way, slate is NOT left wing, it is the bleeding heart wing. Real left can and often is very hard and most definitely anti-faith.
There are black, brown, chinese, and white Muslim terrorists. All follow the same vile belief. Race has nothing to do with it.
While I feel bad for the innocent person wrongly considered a person of interest, I don't believe any wrong was committed
(now that people know he wasn't involved) he should be left alone. The pictures only served to help him, in a way,
defend his innocence. You have to understand that the response that people had was very controlled to what would have
happened in another country under similar circumstances. The [brothers] who did this are out of control fanatics; cold blooded
calculating killers, so people are going to find who's responsible and try and help the police in their efforts to bring them to justice.
This is a real opportunity for law enforcement to open a new path with the public to address these concern from citizens who are
trying to help by being more involved in the SNet sites and responding in more open dialogue when these these things happen
on these SNet sites. It's not that people believe that law enforcement is incompetent, it's a natural reaction for people to bond
together under these circumstances. And, I believe law enforcement has done a good job and I truly hope the 2nd is captured alive.
We, as a people, need to know what this is all about - is it part of a larger terror effort or are these just a pair of isolated terrorists?
If he's captured alive, tried, and convicted, I would like to see (though I consider this wishful thinking) his punishment more along the lines
of how things like this were handled not that long ago in U.S. history - you know what I'm talking about and it would be very apposite .
CAPTCHA = 'agreed'
http://vk.com/id160300242
like how China respects Falun Gong.
New Economic Perspectives
There are crazy people in any group. At some times and in some places the crazy people may even come to power. That does not change the fact that most people in the group are sane and reasonable and not a threat to anyone. Members of my family grew up in fascist Italy. When the fascists came around and round up the kids to teach them to sing the fascists songs, the kids smiled and sang the songs. When the fascists left the kids mocked and cursed the fascists. They simply played along superficially because they knew that not doing so would endanger themselves and their family. Its easy to talk about speaking out publicly when one grew up in the USA, its another when one grows up in a country where people are badly beaten in the middle of the night, killed or disappeared. When one watches the old newsreels of fascist Italy one gets a false impression, one does not see that the former is the common sentiment.
Similarly when one watches the news today one gets a false impression of muslims. TV cameras are drawn to the crazies. The sane are boring and do not make for good rating that enable high prices for advertising. Remember, the news is in the business of selling ads, sadly not in the business of accurately portraying the truth or unfolding history.
The problem isn't terror, it's the fact that this numbnut is trying to conduct a running firefight in the city, trying to avoid the police he's been shooting and trying to place bombs where he can. He's an indiscriminate killer and may be wearing a suicide vest on top of that. There are police all over trying to catch this clown, but crowds of people will complicate their jobs and give the nutjob more targets. We're not staying inside from fear, we're trying to help them do their jobs.
Stepping out from the middle of an active firefight isn't being terrorized, it's common sense. When the manhunt is over -- and I don't expect it to take long -- we're going back to our lives. And I predict a record turnout for next year's marathon.
===== Murphy's Law is recursive. =====
One of the main reasons Hitler did not use poison gas in WWII battlefields (besides his love for all of humanity) was that gas has one huge disadvantage: It is unpredictable and very often comes back to kill YOU.
Pepper spray (as an example for something that is actively used) works because either
- riot police shoot it into the crowd from a safe distance, and they use LOTS of it because they don't care about whom they hit with it
- you are about 10 inches from the person you want to defend against and spray it directly into their face.
This must be the day of the "most impracticable solution" contest :-)
Geez, I've been reading this page and it looks like knows exactly who these guys are, their political affiliations and motivations for the bombings. When I went to bed last night there weren't even decent pictures of these guys and we just got their names this mornings. Their high-school friends have no idea why they did this. Their father hasn't said -- and may not know -- why they did it. Neither brother has explained their motivations and one of them never will.
Give it time. We don't have nearly enough information yet, so if everyone could just vacate their pulpit-of-preference until we do we might be able to raise the signal-to-noise ratio around here.
Thanks.
===== Murphy's Law is recursive. =====
No, _don't_ look for updates on Twitter. This is how hysteria, BS and rumors get started. Look for updates on reputable news sites.
They were probably getting low on cash and also getting used to using violence to accomplish their needs.
MIT is a relatively open campus with many places to hide out. The younger brother probably knew his way around having attended school in Cambridge.
Doesn't matter at all. The damage to one's reputation has already been done, much like once you're accused of being a pedo, that stink sticks around a long long time. This kind of crowdsourced BS is just a fancy new buzzword for mob justice/mob rule with all the negatives that entails.
The bombers are Chechens, not ethnic Russians. Chechnya is a part of Russia that is largely Muslum, north of the Middle East. They have been waging an Islamist insurgency intermittently since 1994. Chechens have been responsible for other terror attacks including the Dubrovka Theater attack that killed 130 hostages and the Beslan massacre that killed 334, including 156 children There are claims 100 or more victims of Beslan were burned alive.
People dislike cops because people hate the law (the religion) that is forced upon them. People want to marry young girls, do drugs (some people), not hand over their children to whomever the government people tell them too (mandatory schooling, or revocation of custody etc).
The police enforce the state religion (law).
No keeping young girl children as brides (old testament allows this (deut 22 28-29 (hebrew), 2 samual 12 (little lamb).
Govt people can kidnap your boys and girls (old testament says kill anyone who kidnapps your boys, says any man who seizes and rapes your daughter keeps her and pays you)
Govt says obey them (old testament says kill anyone who entices you to serve an other ruler/judge/God).
People do not like this religion, but they must obey it because of the police and their prisons.
Personally I hope the FSB and CIA start working together on the 'Islam' problem.
Is that like the Jewish problem? Someone tried to take care of that a while back too.
Nicely done, Kilfarsnar! you have made a valid point, yet avoided triggering Godwin's law.
The region of Russia they are from has a lot of Islamic terrorist activity.
Also the web page didn't just say he was a muslim, it also included the phrase "There is no God but Allah, let that ring out in our hearts". More than a hint...
What is sad is that it seems like the younger kid was led into this by the older brother, but in the end everyone is responsible for what they do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Islamic terrorists in the west are most normally suicide bombers.
That wasn't true of the earlier car bombing attempts of the WTC, or also the times square car bomb. In fact very few terrorist attacks are suicide attacks.
Furthermore, this very much has the signature of Islamic terrorism in that the bomb used (pressure cooker) was directly from an AL Quidea manual. While anyone might have read the Al Quidea manual on bomb making, what is the simplest answer that follows from that?
Combine the pressure cooker info with both suspects coming from a heavily Islamic region of Russia, and one of them stating on the web he was a Muslim. The picture is pretty clear for those that don't want to ignore the obvious answer for some reason.
They don't seem to have been with any particular group, but it's pretty obvious the motive was simply "Jihad".
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You know who else is in favor of gun control? One of the suspects (Ok, I'll grant an alternate reading is that he really like cheese). After all, it creates even more of a "target rich environment" when you can be sure those you intend to slaughter cannot resist.
Meanwhile, everyone else in Boston today would all be better of if they were armed, as there is an armed suspect on the loose. The houses that aren't are just potential safe houses for him.
Having a gun for self protection is like wearing a seatbelt. 99% of the time it's totally pointless. But when you need it, you REALLY need it. Further gun control is like trying to place rules around who can wear a seatbelt and when they are allowed to wear it. Just stupid.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I rather suspect that is a common experience for immigrants to the USA now
In college I had a number of friends who were immigrants, also in the workplace.
Immigrants have no problem finding friends if they are open to it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The primary victims of this episode, will be America's embattled Muslims
That didn't really happen after 9/11, why would it happen now?
People are smart enough to understand the difference between average people and terrorists.
You can see this is the case by the lack of attacks on mosques and other Islamic organizations.
You are trying to make up hate where none exists.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I just happened across a UPI story that our favorite no-such-thing-as-a-former Chekist telegraphed Obama with an offer of investigative assistance. Two days before it became known they were Chechens! Maybe the FSB was sandbagging us? Or just coincidence? I don't know. I just found it ironic. Here's the link: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/04/16/Putin-offers-Obama-aid-in-Boston-Marathon-bombing-investigation/UPI-59841366130396/
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
This is relatively late in the comments so will be missed by everyone but has anhyone noticed how the name of the uncaught guy Dzhokhar is pronounced very close to Joker.
So many distracted fools. I hope you enjoy watching this 'movie' while they pass CISPA, take down precious metals and allow congressmen to insider trade.
i remember someone on the tv news saying that there are evil people in the world. so sad. i've always wanted to visit u.s.a. maybe i'll go to Boston marathon next year to show my support for the runners and u.s.a. need to get a passport or visa.
the interfaith memorial service yesterday was touching.
god bless boston and Massachusetts.
A convenient way of whipping up public anger against Russia as a whole. What's next, saying they need to militarize the borders around Checnya and Russia to protect their freedom? Other countries should engage in the same deceitful politics just like the USA.
Because of campus police like Lt. John Pike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident
Your own link states that students *surounded* the police and *demanded* that those in custody be released. It further states that police ordered people to move and these people *refused*. What I recall from the full videos of the incident is that the police then pepper sprayed those people who refused to move and were *blocking* the path that the police wanted to use to exit the area.
This was *not* police simply walking up to protesters and pepper spraying them. These were people blocking an exit route as police were surrounded.
I know too many pieces of shit who came to the US for opportunistic
reasons, and they do nothing to make their presence in the US a good
thing.
Next week I am going to turn in a few of these pieces of shit, and they
WILL be deported.
At the risk of being insensitive to the fact that the guy is still on the loose, people are scared and there's a very good chance there will be more bloodshed before the day is through:
What are the long term consequences of this? I mean so far "only" four people are dead, but the citizens major city have been told to stay indoors because a Muslim maniac with guns and bombs and possibly a suicide vest is on the loose. I think this is an experience that's going to stick in the popular consciousness for quite a long time.
Chechen, interesting. Methinks we might get more friendly with Russia after this. Also, especially in light of the 4chan debacle (did the Post really run with the photo on the front page? it boggles the mind. When I first saw the 4chan thing last night the first thing I said was I was surprised they hadn't proven Justin Bieber the culprit), Americans may finally come to realize that not all Muslims have brown skin. They may even realize that Iranians are for the most part are not Arab, but I'm not holding my breath.
If they used or later today uses an "assault rifle" (everyone who thinks this is anything other than a laughable political construct please, go educate yourself), the Republicans may finally begin to compromise on the gun thing.
Annnnd, um, I'm not sure what else may come of this.They sounded desperate and without long term plans so hopefully he isn't prepared to go hide out in the woods or something... I cannot begin to fathom the circus we'll experience if this goes on for longer than a day or two.
Regardless, this surely isn't something that will be glossed over in a year or two. I hope they get him alive (interrogation if nothing else), today, without any more bloodshed.
For all their faults, the IRA didn't have anything more than local ambitions - getting the Brits out of Northern Ireland. I'm no admirer of them, but at least, you didn't have the IRA sending terrorists to other countries to create trouble. Same goes for groups like the Tamil Tigers (restricted to Sri Lanka and later, Tamil Nadu, India) and other non-Muslim terror groups. This is not to condone or endorse what they did or do, it's just pointing out that their problem is exclusive to their lands, and that you wouldn't see something like the Boston Marathon bombing happen due to disgruntled Irishmen or Tamils.
That's pretty different from Islamic terror groups. Yeah, they too have local ambitions, but in all of them, their primary motivation is Islam - getting the lands they are targeting rid of Infidels. All the Pali groups - they are about destroying Israel and either enslaving the Jews, or driving them into the sea. The Jihadi terror groups in India - like SIMI, Indian Mujahiddeen - they are all about recreating the Moghul empire and making the whole of India into another Pakistan, and repeating history. The Indonesian Jihadi group - Jemiah Islamiah - is about making Indonesia 100% Muslim. Abu Sayyaf in Philippines has a goal of making Mindanao an exclusively Muslim land, and it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to make the whole of Philippines Muslim as well. The Islamic Party of Turkistan wants to recreate the Timuride empire in the 'stans' and replace the current non-Islamic semi-dictatorships in Central Asia with their own. In India again, Kashmiri Jihadis have completely cleansed Kashmir of Hindus. In China, Uyghar Jihadis are trying to achieve the same thing in Xinxiang. In Bosnia, Serbs & Croats, who were once a significant part of the population, have fled, and in Kosovo too, Albanians have been pushing the Serbs out, and extending the terror into Serbia proper (Sandzak).
Each of these examples taken by itself could be local, but taken together, they paint a very clear picture. One of Muslims trying to get rid of non-Muslims wherever they are. And when one reads Islamic writings, it's pretty obvious where all that bigotry is coming from. Add to that the fact that al Qaeda has affiliations to almost all of the Jihadi groups I mentioned above, except perhaps Shia ones like Hizbullah, and it's no longer a conspiracy theory. Muslims everywhere are only too happy to support jihads by Muslims anywhere.
I come here to get away from non-tech mainstream garbage news. I can go to cnn.com if I want to know about this. STICK TO TECH PLEASE.
How about this as a compromise: tell us concealed permit holders how much training we need to get and we'll do it. I, for one, would not mind at all being required to get more training. However, I think you may find that your average cop (not SWAT) isn't really all that much better trained that your average gun nut. In case you missed the memo, these guys ambushed and killed an MIT cop last night. All the training in the world will not save you from an ambush.
The fact of the matter is, for every Zimmerman out there there are hundreds if not thousands of American cops that have similarly overreacted in the same way this past year. I'm all for gun control and increased training and increased safety measures and background checks and mental health screening and so on, but throwing up your hands and saying everyone who is a cop is a cool headed professional and the rest are dangerous gun nuts is deluded, bordering on fascist (cue the flames.)
Or only selling the 2 quarts model allowed?
Knowing congress and 'being lethal weapon and all'
(/sarcasm off)
It's ironic and sad that most of the violence (gunmen let's say) are happening around the most well respected places in our country as of lately.
Who would have thought, of all places, MIT under "lock down".
If the suspect is carrying explosives and potentially willing to use them in a suicide attack, the distinction between those two basically shrinks to zero. If he is not unconscious or paralyzed, he is either dead or still capable of blowing himself up. You can't shoot to render unconscious without shooting to kill. In theory you could aim for the spinal cord but realistically it's going to boil down to a head shot. Which is unfortunate, because we may never know the full story (including potential accomplices.)
MIT Campus Police are real police, recruited only from among real police departments,
No, actually.
First: There is no such term as "real police"; campus police powers vary greatly. Some can't even give you a traffic ticket, for example ("Chapter 90 powers".)
Second: Collier was not hired from an officer position; he worked in IT for Somerville police, and was hoping to work on the Somerville force from working for MIT. He did, however, go through the Massachusetts police academy.
Please help metamoderate.
Um, at the very least the religion plays a part to the degree that it influences their culture and their attitudes towards violence. If they grew up Jain, for instance, I rather doubt they would have bombed anything regardless of their politics.
Chechen independeance isn't religious in nature? Argh. You might as well argue that the Palestinian cause is entirely political, with no religious element. Actually I'm sure there are people who do that, just like some people stick their heads in the sand and insist that the Northern Ireland conflicts are strictly political.
The fact that such conflicts have ostensibly non-religious dimensions only serves to illustrate how influential, insidious and all-encompassing the Abrahamic religions tend to be. The religious aspect becomes a given, something one doesn't need to trumpet at every occasion, because everyone in the group already knows all about those evil, insular, freakish Catholics/Protestants/Sunni/Shia/Druze/etc.
Coincidentally, female suicide bombers are actually pretty common in Chechnya, where the bombers are reported either to have originated or had ethnic ties to. There is even a word for it: shahidka.
"My son is a true angel."
Sure he is...
'At the same time he warned that if the US kills his son, "all hell will break loose."'
Oh, really? Is that a threat? Is this guy implying that it's okay for his son to go bomb another country, that he's a "little angel," so if the motherfucker gets killed papa's gonna send some fucking "Caucasus" army in and start a war with the U.S.?
What if the idiot attacks law enforcement officers again instead of surrendering and eventually gets himself killed, is the U.S. automatically at fault because this dick decides to keep playing with bombs? What if he in in fact wearing a suicide vest, and his death is a direct result of that--will all hell still break loose, or will they finally realize that the dipshit brought it on himself?
Indeed. You don't hear too many stories about "geeks" getting blown up.
if i cared to read this crap i would go to cnn
What I don't understand, and excuse my ignorance, is not only how the entire city was literally shut down (can you legally keep people off the street?), but how it appeared to me that police were systematically going from door to door and SEARCHING houses. Is that legal!??!
Congratulations on proving to all of us that you enjoy sucking Alex Linder's filthy cock.
Fucking antisemitic piece of trash.
The gallery is down now, but couple of photos in it were of him with his girlfriend.
So, not friendless. No American friends.
The movie you offer is the 1 minute fragment that distorts what occurred. Here is a 15 minute video that gives a much better perspective on what happens. A large group of students decided to march on the spot where those in custody were being detained. Note the group chant of "If you let them go, we will let you leave".
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/UC-Davis-Pepper-Spray-Incident-What-Really-Happened
The individuals on the path weren't the source of danger. The larger crowd around chanting for the people in custody to be released were the danger. The people on the path sillily decided to block the exit.
to ease the American population into accepting military and police roaming their neighborhoods, searching, etc;
http://imgur.com/a/Asgdb#31
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Your video conveniently omits events prior to the pepper spraying. A large group of students marching to the spot where those in custody are being detained. Chant of "If you let them go, we will let you leave".
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/UC-Davis-Pepper-Spray-Incident-What-Really-Happened
I get the feeling that, unfortunately, 4chan is receiving the heat for the speculating on suspects rather than the news paper not checking facts.
since nobody else has yet.
"So which would you rather have today, a $20 bill or the amount of gold that such a bill would have bought in 1913?"
To have personally acquired either one I would have to be considerably older than 100 years old today. Yuck. So respectfully the answer is no.
To accept hypothetically-offered economic woudja-rather gifts fronted by those trying to illustrate trended price conversions between two time periods is in violation of the Temporal Prime Directive and the 2250 Temporal Treaty of Algernon.
Such choices were / will be discovered to influence the entire time line between the two cited moments in time, encouraging the least desirable social consequences like reckless hoarding and obssessive economyopia syndrome.
Why is it your duty to observe a treaty that will not be ratified for another 237 years??
Well, clever isn't it.
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When I said that the bombing was the work of the MUSLIMS my comment was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43488935
When people tried to JUSTIFY the killing in the Boston Marathon and I objected to that asinine notion, again my comment was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43489101
When someone claimed that I have a problem with Islam and I countered that it was ISLAM WHICH HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE WORLD, you know what ? That comment too was modded down to the basement
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3663921&cid=43490981
Now ... the truth is out !!
IT WAS THE MUSLIMS AFTER ALL !!!
Just like I've stated earlier !!!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The Jews don't attack civilians.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam
You want real news, listen to the police scanners in Boston.
They gonna kill / arrest two muslims(after death or in guantanomo - they will be unable to SPEAK and clear their names).
http://www.infowars.com/photos-private-military-operatives-hired-to-work-the-boston-marathon-with-black-backpacks-radiation-detectors-tactical-gear/
Suspect #1 - Dead
Suspect #2 - In Custody
God Bless America!
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html?pagewanted=all
the Boston Bombings are a Blag-Flag event designed to take away your 4th amendment rights and miranda rights ...of huning down a terrorist....
under the premise & feeble excuse
Thsi 19year old frightened kid...was fitted up... ...and within 10-30 metres of the finish line....
on the Info wars channel...it can clearly be seen that SEAL teams...Black-ops and Blackwater teams where active on the day of the bombing
SEAL ops wearing the "back-packs" as the alledged bomber
When questioned about this the muppet negro clown mayor and his well trained lap-dogs ..... refused to answer the Indfo Wars reporters questions about their being several bomb drills that day...
USA dumb public...sleep walking into a facist & military controlled Police State...while cheering the Police....who are the real enemy of the public ...no wonder your a hated race
pathetic Americans
That was a rather funny response, but seriously if someone offered you an ounce of gold for $20 bill, I'm fairly certain you would take it. My point was that people who advocate the purchase of gold know that in the long term the price of gold in terms of dollars or other fiat currencies has never gone down. Gold is a good means of preserving wealth, but not for deriving income from such wealth.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.
My point was that people who advocate the purchase of gold know that in the long term the price of gold in terms of dollars or other fiat currencies has never gone down. Gold is a good means of preserving wealth, but not for deriving income from such wealth.
Excellent point on wealth versus income, I see you know your balance sheet. I was soul-searching to discover why gold-over-time comparisons tickle my funny bone, aside from being generally perverse. Not so savvy as Karl Denninger who has his reasons to be bearish on gold as an investment or plaything. As one who has never owned any gold or even more than a fistful of dollars I don't implicitly trust either, so I find it easy to make light of the choices that people of wealth are facing right now.
While pondering the dollar and gold I grew bored and made a sandwich, and contemplated that instead. Bread you can sink your teeth into, and throughout history love of it has transcended love of fiat money and precious metal.
Looking into bread vs. gold, I found this, "it is said that an ounce of gold bought 350 loaves of bread in the time of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, who died in 562 BC" (cited here)
Fascinating! What if you view bread itself as the exchange pivot plotted against on gold (for the US via the dollar)? A quick search did not reveal anyone who had done it, so I gathered gold fixes and one-pound-loaf statistics for the hundred years of 1913-2012 and created a gold:bread ratio. How many loaves/pounds of bread 'buys' an ounce of gold. Here is my resulting chart and data.
So in 1913 the gold:bread ratio was ~337.9 which is comparable to Nebuchadnezzar's time. It stayed more or less in the same magnitude until the 1971 Nixon Shock when gold heads through the roof. Bread rises steadily but gold's rise is meteoric.
1980 is the worst-ever year for bread, with ~1,281 loaves to purchase an ounce of gold. We're so used to seeing things from the dollar/gold point of view but 1970 and 2001 were really great years for bread, with gold purchasing power twice what it had in Babylon.
Then we went to war and everything went to hell. But the gold:bread chart does offer one surprise: even though gold is massive right now, the actual gold:bread ratio is similar to what it was in 1980 before it started to fall.
So what we need right now is a Reganomics sandwich.
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Hey, pretty nice you did a lot of work! Since most people exchange their time for things they need, like bread, an interesting study would be how long a person on average would have to work in order to earn a loaf of bread. I instinctively feel that at least in the US most people today are better off on that score. In the end, money, including the gold form of money is only an intermediary. It could be interesting to do this study for other basic commodities, such as housing, transportation, communication, medical etc. in terms of hours needed to work in order to obtain a years worth of these things.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.