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AAPS Doctors Run Survey On Hillary Clinton's Health (prnewswire.com)
schwit1 PR Newswire: Concerns about Hillary Clinton's health are "serious -- could be disqualifying for the position of President of the U.S.," say nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). About 20% said concerns were "likely overblown, but should be addressed as by full release of medical records." Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack; I have confidence in the letter from her physician and see no cause for concern." While more than 81% were aware of her history of a concussion, only 59% were aware of the cerebral sinus thrombosis, and 52% of the history of deep venous thrombosis. More than 78% said the health concerns had received "not enough emphasis" in the media, and only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis." Nearly two-thirds said that a physician who had a concern about a candidate's fitness to serve for health reasons should "make the concerns known to the public." Only 11% said a physician should "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient," and 10% that the candidate's health was "off limits for public discussion." A poll of 833 randomly selected registered voters by Gravis Marketing showed that nearly half (49%) were not aware of the "well documented major health issues that Hillary Clinton has." Nearly three-fourths (74%) were unaware of Bill Clinton's statement that Hillary suffered a "terrible" concussion requiring "six months of very serious work to get over." The majority (57%) thought that candidates should release their medical records.
Damn Russkie Republicans trying to lie about Hillary!
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
Without actually examining her, how much faith can we put in their opinions?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This has no place on slashdot. It is extremely offensive to the memory of a once fantastic tech site.
Look at the source. This groups says HIV isn't the cause of AIDS. This group says being gay itself shortens life expectancy. I am in no way a Hillary fan, in fact the thought of either of these two running the country makes me say, however this group is a joke and this stance matches every other hard right stance they take.
This is damn near more a political group than a true medical group anyone should listen to.
I would have hoped "keep silent unless he had personally examined the patient" would have gotten a higher percentage of the response
Can we leave slash dot alone you fucking ignorant trumper? I'd rather have Hillary in a hospital bed than your guy with his scrambled eggs for brains demogoguery
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You realize this is an ultra conservative lobbying organization, right? Of course they are going to say its an issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine"
Says all you need to know about them.
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
I can imagine this is a way out for the Dems. They are losing track due to the email situation and are looking for a way out. This could be a great way to do it.
She pulls out. Bernie is pushed in as a last moment replacement.
Because both parties should realize now that they have the worst possible candidate.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
i'd love to see Hillary lose, except Trump.
I'd love to see Trump lose, except Hilary.
That said: i don't see how, constitutionally, this is disqualifying. IMHO, it means voters should take a good hard at the running mate.
If anything, this could help her campaign, for those who would like to see a Dem in office but don't like her.
Why is an article about the poll on a speculative topic not related to the focus of slashdot even posted here?
Speaking as an older person, I can attest that life does, indeed, suck as you start to get older. However, it takes time -- sometimes decades -- between the time when something starts to go south and the time when you really just can't do it anymore.
So for both our elderly candidates, no doubt there are many things they can't do anymore. Parkinson's is just one problem of many. When it really becomes an issue, then it matters. Until then, just keep that drug handy, your feet firmly on the floor, and hold on to the handrails.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
Time to stir up the FUD over Hillary's health!
Oh my shades of Karl Rove, you can't talk about stuff like this! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!
Nevermind that, even in hyper-controlled situations for media exposure, she's been having problems with siezures and freezing up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The opportunity to register has already closed in many states. At this point you can't change the candidates without a lawsuit.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."
I get that this is in the Politics section, but really? PRNewswire? On an Internet poll run by an organization no one's ever heard of?
Sheesh.
As much as I hate Hillary and the Clintons in general, Trump is MUCH MUCH worse for everyone. Trump is going to lose by a landslide and nothing you can do will stop that.
Do slashdot editors even bother checking sources? Or have this site finally found found its place among tabloids? LMGTFY - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons ("The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."[1][2] The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014....The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."
I do find it interesting that even these shills were only able to muster 250 out of 5000 members to sign this crap. I guess even in that group 95% are not willing to completely disavow their responsibility as doctors. In that they are already better humans than whatever slashdot editor that posted this.
Hmmmm...a PRNewsWire story that links to a lobbying group I've never heard of whose sole purpose seems to be to grind axes against government involvement in medicine, and which has as its address a PO Box and a protected email address?
Yeah, seems real legit.
But keep fucking that "OMG, Shillary is too sick to be president" chicken, Trumptards.
Look at Wikipedia. 1300 conservative doctors. This is a bullshit article.
2.7% of doctors are die-hard Dems.
"...responding to an informal internet survey"
That pretty much says it right there. The numbers in this survey can be given about zero credence. There is no sign of vetting of the responders (are they even really MD's?), no pretense at a representative sample, and no sign that there was any attempt at all to prevent ballot stuffing.
There were also no questions concerning Donald Trump's health, which makes me think that this group is partisan and has an axe to grind.
Editors, can we please not publish click-bait non-news like this? I'd like to downvote the whole damn story.
I searched the web and I cannot find any. She has never released her records. I see nothing of a physician who has examined her or even some leaked records in violation of HIPAA. Nothing.
The only thing I see are polls of physicians who haven't examined her. And polls of schmoes who wouldn't know better.
Gimme a break. Of course, all this horseshit will be taken seriously by people who are too stupid to fact check and fiction will become reality because the American electorate is composed of mouth breathing knuckle dragging morons who treat our election like a Sunday afternoon football game - not choosing someone out of the pool we are given who would lead the country the best.
Nothing wrong with Hillary that can't be fixed by more RAM and a firrmware upgrade.
[Insert pithy quote here]
Laws vary from state to state, but in many states it's the party that is on the ballot and the name of the nominee only needs to be submitted later...
for example the time frame to get on the ballot in texas was before either parties convention, yet both the dems and republicans will have some one on the ballot because the party reserved a spot on the ballot...
I'm not saying there wouldn't be lawsuits, but there are always lawsuits... There is a case to get Trump off the ballot in MN right now because the GOP failed to provide alternates for the electors should Trump win...
DELETE THIS!!
The AAPS is the group that sued to invalidate Obamacare.
That doesn't make them wrong, but I'd like to see more on their methodology; how many of the physicians didn't respond to the poll? How did they select respondents? Was it random, or was it based on membership in their organization?
Incidentally, Open Secrets shows that AAPS only donates to Republicans (unless they have some kind of sub-lobbying group or something).
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
There are countless faux doctor groups. This is one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 5,000 in 2014. Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey. Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, was a member for over two decades until his election to the U.S. Senate.
In 2004, AAPS filed a brief on behalf of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh in Florida's Fourth District Court of Appeal, opposing the seizure of his medical files in an investigation of drug charges for Limbaugh's alleged misuse of prescription drugs. The AAPS stated the seizure was a violation of state law and that 'It is not a crime for a patient to be in pain and repeatedly seek relief, and doctors should not be turned against patients they tried to help.'"
The next year, AAPS helped appeal the conviction of Virginia internist William Hurwitz, who was sentenced to 25 years in federal prison for prescribing excessive quantities of narcotic drugs after 16 former patients testified against him. Hurwitz was granted a retrial in 2006, and his 25-year prison sentence was reduced to 4 years and 9 months.
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is not listed in academic literature databases such as MEDLINE/PubMed or the Web of Science. The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the Journal have been criticized by medical experts, and some of the political and scientific viewpoints advocated by AAPS are not held by mainstream scientists and other medical groups.
"The association is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited theories, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast"cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations."
Well that explains that.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Proving once again that rocket scientists are the smartest people in the room
Your mom always said, a PB&J is better than nothing, and God is nothing, is a PB&J better than God?
If true and we are extremely lucky it means we could end up with President Kaine. Which if I had to chose between Clinton/Drumph or Kaine. Kaine is a no brainier.
> Hillary suffered a "terrible" concussion requiring "six months of very serious work to get over."
So the very thing that would make us like a politician - overcoming adversity to rise again - is supposed to be a disqualification in this case?
That this comes from the AAPS is not at all surprising, but if anyone needed more ammunition to believe conservatives in the US are sexist, they're doing a fine job of providing it. Thanks, AAPS.
Really? Slashdot is usually pretty well focused on science. Perhaps a poll done in a scientific manner would be good. For examples, refer to any of these polls which will give a sample size, the questions, demographics, and a description of the process used to survey. Real Clear Politics aggregates various polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.c... and Pew Research: http://www.pewresearch.org/ conducts many polls, then details the results.
This has about as much validity as the media saying that 9/10 climate scientists say that man made global climate change is a fact.
We have gone beyond they days when individual people would look at a situation, and the evidence as they observe it and form a conclusion. Today we live in a scientific age. Rather than thinking on our own, we let scientists do our thinking. If more than 50 percent of the scientists say so and so is true, then we have a established scientifical fact. Anyone who disagrees with the established science is a nut case who believes the world was made 6000 years ago.
Its amazing that when a consensus of experts say what /. wants to hear they are not to be questioned ever. If you even ask anything you are labeled a denier. /. doesn't like, they are the most evil group ever and are never to be trusted.
When another consensus says something
I always wondered what consensus had to do with science in the first place. Especially when the consensus said Einstein was wrong. It only takes a single person being correct to overrule a consensus of experts.
Doctors are too, they can't diagnose patients they don't have the medical history of, which is why they wouldn't have answered an 'informal survey', but hey that's what internet surveys are for... being unverifiable ways of generating propaganda.
And her own doctor, he wouldn't reveal any such details, Hippocratic oath: "I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. "
From this PR we can assume Trump camp thinks he will lose an election and needs another way in.
To the Trump supporters, I'd say this.... Trump will act like he won the election, even if he lost, so as long as he's happy, what does it matter? He'll launch another perfume, "Mr President", stick a few more 'Presidential Suites" in his towers, then die and be remembered as the Liberace of property.
"Sure you won, Mr Liberace Trump.... sure"
What the hell is this crap and why is it on slashdot? When did slashdot turn into the Rush Limbaugh show? "Concerns" about Hillary's health are made up FUD by the right. Nothing more. Oooh, she got a concussion... (not) scary. Her health is certainly nothing worse than Dick Cheney's was. Ronald Reagan reputedly showed signs of dementia while still in office.
This "survey" is funded by a conservative group which has nothing to do with the real practice of medicine and certainly no interest in actual scientific facts. I'm disappointed the slashdot editors posted this drivel.
Lets say Hillary is on her deathbed...
Even Democrats aren't crazy about her and Republicans hate her. Republicans hate Trump too but would vote for him just against Hillary.
If she is dying then:
1. Gives her the sympathy vote.
2. Means that people who hate her don't have to worry. She might not last the inauguration speech...
3. They can still be progressive, vote for a woman and effectively have a white middle of the road guy in the office.
How are attacks on her health helpful to republicans?
Please, please, please, for the love of Gawd, hire a computer nerd to provide input on your TFA selection process. Then maybe, just maybe we wouldn't be subjected to stinking stupid crap posts like this that assault our intelligence.
"The ferrets, they're every where I tell you!"
"Oh, look, she's virtually keeling over! Get the gravedigger over here pronto, before she rots!!" -- sez the oldest senior citizen EVER to occupy the Presidential chair, should the voters be daft enough to elect the incompetent to office. And, of course and true to form, without ever having released any medical records to prove he ain't the overweight, cholesterol clogged walking time bomb and nutcase he is. Together with his tax returns, by the way.
Never has the the old folks saying "The kettle calling the pot black" been truer.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
a) nothing to do with slashdot's "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters".
b) blatantly partisan
c) questionable news source
-a.e.mossberg
prnewswire.com? Really? Get this shit off of slashdot.
Men are just meant to lead, that's why we don't fall apart like women do.
50% of humanity are meant to lead, yeah? I'm sorry, but "fucking stupid" is the only description that fits.
Is it just that your mind can't handle nuance? You think all men are the same? You think all women are the same?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
100% of Trump supporters claim Hillary is unfit for President!
Besides what others have said about AAPS, Gravis Marketing seems to be highly professional at doing polls. Yay!
Why can't we downvote or flag the topic?
I've been a reader of Slashdot since before they even had user accounts, and if I had felt like making my first comment with an account sooner, would have easily landed a 4-digit UID. I have a couple thousand comments to my name (though not many over the past couple of years), excellent karma, and a long history on this site. I've always been impressed with the commenting/moderation system, which I think remains the site's biggest innovation/strength, and one that I wish more websites would use to get control of their comment sections.
But over the years, I've watched Slashdot become less and less interesting as the quality of stories has gotten lower and lower. But this is the last straw.
Rarely have I seen the commentariat completely united in pointing out that this story was a bad idea:
- It's purely political with zero tech content.
- It's a direct repost from PRNewsWire
- It's all about a pathetic self-selected internet survey
- It comes from a group so political, it might as well be called "Doctors Against Filthy Liberals"
The comments section of Slashdot can be lively and interesting, but only if the editors pick something other than pathetic troll-bait to get the discussion going, and they've fallen down on that job horribly. Rob & co. knew how to get a discussion going; the latest bunch alternate between click-bait and the most abstruse and boring tech stories they can find.
After nearly 20 years with Slashdot, I'm done. I'm deleting the Slashdot feed from my RSS reader, and I guess it'll go on (or not) without me.
This is the doctor that should examine Hillary:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
https://heavyeditorial.files.w...
You are welcome on my lawn.
I would like to see Hillary jog 3km.
Has she ever smoked, and has she ever exercised?
The networks try and cut it out and the rest of the pop media ignores it but Hillary Clinton often needs assistance to climb the platform at her rallies and speaking occasions. She also has a history of medical issues like blood clots in her legs and hyperthyroidism. Some doctors have suggested her imbalance may be a result of brain damage. 1. Fall fractures elbow — While serving as President Barack Obama's secretary of state in mid-2009, Hillary Clinton fell and fractured her right elbow while walking to her car in the basement of the State Department, The New York Times reported. Clinton, 61 at the time, underwent surgery to repair the elbow, and missed at least one meeting with Obama as a result. "Having broken my right arm as secretary of defense, and had the left arm operated on, I think I can truthfully say, I feel her pain," said Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates at the time. Secretary Clinton fell again in 2011 while boarding a plane to Oman, but did not sustain injury. 2 Faint causes concussion — In late 2012, Secretary Clinton "sustained a concussion after fainting," The Associated Press reported. The incident came just days before her scheduled testimony about the Sept. 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Other officials from the department attended in her stead. The State Department said Clinton was dehydrated because of a stomach virus, which had recently caused her to back out of a trip to North Africa and the Persian Gulf. 3. Blood clot — Secretary Clinton was hospitalized in December 2012 after doctors discovered a blood clot during a follow-up exam related to her concussion. "Mrs. Clinton’s blood clot formed in a large vein along the side of her head, behind her right ear, between the brain and the skull," The New York Times reported, noting that Clinton also had a blood clot in her leg in 1998. She began taking blood thinners around the time of her hospital discharge. The concussion and subsequently discovered blood clot forced Clinton to ultimately take a month-long absence from her role as secretary of state. 4. Prism glasses for double vision — "As she testified about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, the secretary of state appeared to have tiny vertical lines etched onto the left lens of her new brown specs," the New York Daily News wrote in January 2013. "Clinton's spokesman confirmed Thursday night she is wearing the special glasses as a result of the fall and concussion she suffered last month, but he did not elaborate. Experts told the Daily News that Clinton likely has a Fresnel prism placed on her glasses. The adhesive panel is used to treat double vision." Fresnel prisms can be ground into a lens for longer term use, and the prism is not visible when built into the lens itself. 5. Prescription blood thinner — In August 2015, The Associated Press reported that Clinton was still taking Coumadin, a blood thinner used to prevent blood clots. "Her Coumadin dose is monitored regularly and she has experienced no side-effects from her medications," wrote Dr. Lisa Bardack, an internist who practices near Clinton's suburban New York home. Previously, in a 2014 interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, Clinton said she was "probably" on blood thinners for life. 6. Thyroid — Along with her blood thinner, Clinton takes Armour Thyroid, a thyroid hormone replacement, antihistamines, and vitamin B12, the AP reported. 7. Brain damage comment — In May 2014, The Washington Post reported that Republican strategist Karl Rove "distanced himself from a provocative report in Monday's New York Post, saying he does not believe — as the newspaper asserted he had said — that Clinton suffered 'brain damage' when she fell and sustained a head injury in December 2012." Rove had been commenting on Clinton's prism glasses. What is unusual about this is that they wheeled out this local doctor from Mt. Kisco when the Clinton family doctor (and candy man) has been a Dr. Hyman
Red Pill is leaking off of Reddit.
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
that I shouldn't bother visiting this site again. There were already far too many articles that had no place on a tech website, but this one plumbs new depths.
Goodbye then.
nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey
Now who would be most likely to answer such a survey? Related, who would consider 250 responses - when we have over 800,000 active physicians in this country to be significant?
As I've said before, there are plenty of problems with Hillary. Why go with these silly ones?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
As you get old, you develop medical conditions. Both Trump and Clinton are older than the average main party candidate. Presidents aren't immune to aging- and *gasp* could die in office.
If that happens, that's why we have VP and a predetermined order of succession. When nominating a candidate, don't just look at the President, look at their Vice Presidential candidate too. In the case of the current Presidential candidates it might be extra-important; I don't think either are immune from being impeached early in their Presidency.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Agree completely. Only a matter of time until /. is only valuable as a domain name, and someone buys it to redirect to CNET.
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Having never heard of the AASP, my first act was to look into their site and their history.
What's scary is they boast a 5000-ish strong membership roster. Assuming they only admit MDs (and DOs), that's a whole lot of highly-educated fucktards here in the USofA.
How the fuck can anyone know ANYTHING is wrong with a patient that they've NEVER SEEN !!!
The psychiatrists are supposed to stay quiet - an unofficial blackout on diagnosing mental illness in the media - came about from Lyndon Johnson "misdiagnosis". Medical doctors should do the same. Trump has been said to have serious mental health defects - of course what he appears to be "on the stage" may not be what he's like in private.
Everything produced about Clinton so far are short clips out of context placed together to *make* a story. This is "Swiftboating"
Slashdot....the TMZ of blogs ;)
The evidence of her ill health is there for you to see, but the press doesn't want to say it out loud.
Look at those thick glasses she wore. The explanation that she'd wear them for a concussion is laughable on the face of it. If she hit her head hard enough to break blood vessels, that is by definition a stroke.
A stroke.
And nobody wants to say it.
She has no physical stamina. Look at her picture from the book she wrote last year. Remember that's the *best* she can look. Her coughing spells?
If you're going to vote for her, vet her VP choice really really well, because with that kind of health and her age, you need to understand that he has a very real chance of becoming president.
I'd vote for Hillary's corpse before a live Trump.
FUCK YEAH!
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."
Not to say Wikipedia is an awesome source, but I admit I'm really not in the mood to dig up something more definitive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
And I don't even like Hillary.
Don't worry, they're working on the "valuable" part....
I've been a reader of Slashdot since before they even had user accounts, and if I had felt like making my first comment with an account sooner, would have easily landed a 4-digit UID. I have a couple thousand comments to my name (though not many over the past couple of years), excellent karma, and a long history on this site. I've always been impressed with the commenting/moderation system, which I think remains the site's biggest innovation/strength, and one that I wish more websites would use to get control of their comment sections.
But over the years, I've watched Slashdot become less and less interesting as the quality of stories has gotten lower and lower. But this is the last straw.
Rarely have I seen the commentariat completely united in pointing out that this story was a bad idea:
- It's purely political with zero tech content.
- It's a direct repost from PRNewsWire
- It's all about a pathetic self-selected internet survey
- It comes from a group so political, it might as well be called "Doctors Against Filthy Liberals"
The comments section of Slashdot can be lively and interesting, but only if the editors pick something other than pathetic troll-bait to get the discussion going, and they've fallen down on that job horribly. Rob & co. knew how to get a discussion going; the latest bunch alternate between click-bait and the most abstruse and boring tech stories they can find.
After nearly 20 years with Slashdot, I'm done. I'm deleting the Slashdot feed from my RSS reader, and I guess it'll go on (or not) without me.
You forgot to add that everything here is a repost from Reddit.
The words "well documented health problems" create a huge bias.
Also the fact that they didn't ask about Donald's health problems indicates a real problem as well.
Look, Hillary is a far from ideal candidate. But as South Park says, "It's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich". You absolutely can not ask people if they have problems with the douche and not ask if they have problems with the turd sandwich.
Or is it the other way around?
People, quick poll - is Donald the Douche, or the Turd Sandwhich?
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Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a whack job group that thinks vaccines and fluoridated water are Communist conspiracies for mind control. HIV doesn't cause AIDS. No one in medicine takes them seriously. Except the Paul family.
A poll of these nutters is about as scientific and valid as a Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons article.
It's science Bitch!
He already left and was not able to read your comment. I do agree with most of his points and have been reading SD for many years, just to lazy to log in most of the time. The quality of stories has gone downhill, but it is still one of the better sites to get interesting articles AND for the most part lively converstation. I have as of the last two years enjoyed techdirt much more than SD.
We already have his tax returns, they were in the Panama papers.
A person's medical condition is personal. The public has no right to the details. The folks who responded that the medical records should be made public should be ashamed of themselves and I hope I never need their care. Even if the records show that the person is not fit for POTUS.
There are already controls in place to vet for this stuff. Get over it. You think they are politically influenced? Too bad, get over it. If the POTUS dies, we already have controls in place to keep the system running.
Taxes & birth certificates are one thing, but medical records? Honestly, this was a useless article that should have never seen the light of day.
I am you, just a few years ahead of you. I once had a 4 digit account number, was a reader from the very beginning before it was even called Slashdot. But years later I stopped logging in. When Cmdr Taco left, it was all over.
Slashdot was once so well read, the servers hosting links could get overwhelmed. No longer. This is just a relic of the web at large. Clickbait stories, poor editing, comments sections full of abuse. Except coming here occasionally for a laugh, I rarely read much any longer online except a very select few places with edited news stories written by professionals. Slashdot, and Bluesnews, are the only two website blogs from the 1990s that I still visit from time to time. Slashdot will get cut after this pathetic story attacking Hillary Clinton.
The grand experiment is over. It was fun, but time to move on.
Funny how the GOP picks and chooses which science they believe in.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
The poll has no meaning. I have lot of doctor friends and they all hate Obamacare because of more paper work and less money. So this poll is as good as polling a bunch of Republicans.
Yes, lets all diagnose someone via an OPEN INTERNET SURVEY.
That's objective.
fucking trolls..........
...I always thing THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT! No, not really, of course. I think it has as much validity as those robo-calling polls that allow you to win a free cruise for participating.
I agree 100% and am in the same boat, except I have not checked out TechDirt.
Do you really want another person like Reagan or Cheney in office?
Hell no. I'm not at all a fan of Hillary but if the other option is Trump it's not even a remotely tough decision. Trump is just about the last person who should be in the Oval Office. Sadly there weren't any other better candidates running who had a realistic shot at the nominations. I would have preferred Bernie or Kasich or a few others but they never really had a chance.
(Incidentally, Trump reminds me of Reagan more than anyone).
I'm not seeing the similarities. I have a pretty poor opinion of Reagan and I remember his presidency well but I'd take Reagan over Trump any day. Aside from having a sort of peculiar charisma that appeals to some on the right I don't really see them as being very similar at all.
Yes, it has to be shouted at whoever let this pass through moderation.
You mean like how she agreed to release the transcripts when everyone else in the race did?
When it was down to Bernie, Trump and Clinton I don't remember seeing any thing.
Submit better stories. Problem solved. Except that is harder than just botching and moaning.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Slashdot is a highly liberal news discussion site. As such, they would rather not see any news critical of the soon to be POTUS. There is so much FUD out there about Hilary, it is the duty of the Slashdot community to help correct the record in the name of Science.
Why cannot the moderators take 20 seconds to check the source of this rubbish?
hmmm... sounds Familiar
Where have I read about this kind of thing before
In fact, even the big dogs in the press admit they've gone down this road before. Of course, they claim "it's different".
In the past, the media just went Full Stupid about McCain and his health issues.
I guess the difference is McCain released all his records and we knew what he faced health-wise. Will Hillary show the same courage?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
at its finest. Keep it up
diarrhea of the mouth.
Psychiatrists and psychologists have the same First Amendment rights as anyone else. That includes freedom to express their opinions and beliefs. The fact that this survey, crappy as it is, exists, should be proof enough.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
The sooner she's dead the better. Old Bill is looking forward to all that sympathy sex. He felt your pain, now feel his!
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This is why psychiatrists/psychologists are not allowed to comment on the health of people who are not directly under their care. If you don't know what is going, you can't make a reasonable assessment of the subject's health. Doctors who have not reviewed the patient's medical file and made an examination of the subject should shut up because they do not have all of the information needed to make an accurate assessment.
This does not dismiss the one thing that needs to happen; release the medical records. That is a way that any qualified MD can make at least an initial assessment of someone's health and formulate and educated opinion, particularly in recommending her capability to hold a demanding job for the next four years. THAT is what is truly in question here; her capability to do an important job for quite a long time.
If she had merely caught the common cold 12 times in the last 2 years, I could understand people demanding only an opinion from someone who has directly examined her. However, that is far from reality, even with her medical history remaining somewhat private.
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
Yes, release it all. In fact, create a law mandating it for candidates so we don't have to go through this particular flavor of mud-slinging every four years.
That said, Hillary has already proven her capability to destroy critical information, and the LAST word you could ever use to describe any punishment that has come from that is "fair", so I can only imagine what kind of colored "history" would ever be made public.
Trump has not released any medical records at all. I would love to see a psychiatric write up of Trump as I think he is a very sick individual.
And if she "needs to" release her records then trump needs to do the same. He is older, and a man so has a shorter life expectancy than her. He is fat as a cow, gets very little exercise, so may well be diabetic and the only thing his quack of a doctor released was a fluff statement that he was healthiest man ever to run. Don't forget trump was also so unhealthy as a young man that he got 2 or 3 medical deferments. So I would expect him to be in poor health as an adult if he was in such poor condition when he was young. I'd also think he should be thoroughly examined for STD's given his proclivity for younger woman and his close friendship with that casting couch roger ailes.
WTF is this and what editor at slashdot thinks this is "news that matters"?
Perhaps the next posting will be about the ladies concerns about how small Trumps penis is because of his tiny hands.
I'm more concerned by the health report of Donald's 'ass-man'.
"The [Association of American Physicians and Surgeons] is generally recognized as politically conservative or ultra-conservative, and its publication advocates a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there are links between autism and vaccinations".
Way to go. Slashdot has been reduced to giving anti-vaxxers and homophobes and fundamentalist nut cases an uncritical platform to publish propaganda about a presidential candidate.
Nice work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Everything is a suspicious nail.
How will submitting better stories make the editors do a minimal check of the stories?
Does not submitting good stories force them to publish the crappy ones?
It's also important to note that the AAPS is generally recognized as being conservative (if you're being charitable) or ultra-conservative (if you're being more realistic). So although they call themselves "non-partisan" in that they don't specifically identify as aligned with a particular political party, they are about as far right a group of doctors as you're likely to run into and is very much not your average professional medical society.
Exactly! I was scrolling through the thread looking for someone to make this point. It's a horrible thing to say, but I agree -- the prospect of Kaine inheriting the Presidency is the best thing about the Clinton campaign.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Yes, release it all. In fact, create a law mandating it for candidates so we don't have to go through this particular flavor of mud-slinging every four years.
That said, Hillary has already proven her capability to destroy critical information, and the LAST word you could ever use to describe any punishment that has come from that is "fair", so I can only imagine what kind of colored "history" would ever be made public.
Couldn't be any more colored than Trump's "healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency" letter and "astonishingly excellent" laboratory results. But I agree, all health and tax records for final presidential candidates should be released by law as a requirement for candidacy elligibility, and the FEC should have accountants and medical doctors on staff to do automatic reviews and audits of those documents.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
This organizations resume reads like the rantings of a deranged family member who everyone shrugs off because he/she often claims that aliens/god spoke to them and taught them the secrets of the universe. It's one thing to challenge a position or two of the current scientific/medical community, throughout history many commonly held positions in both have been debunked with thorough and thoughtful research. Its another thing entirely to blindly attack random politically motivated positions with little to no evidence to back yourself up. I would be interested in the names of the doctors that are a part of this association so I could make sure to NEVER become one of their patients. These are the kind of doctors who would have scoffed at the idea of having to wash their hands, believing it to be some gypsy/anarchist conspiracy to sully their names even after the rest of the medical community had long since accepted it as fact.
This organization is hardly impartial. It's a conservative organization that was originally formed in the 1940's to fight "socialized medicine". It takes a number of decidedly off-beat positions, including that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that human activity doesn't contribute to climate change (what this has to do with medicine is beyond me), and so forth. See their Wikipedia entry.
Now, having an opinion isn't grounds for not voicing one, but under the circumstances I think this is relevant information about this group.
If I'm worried about someone's medical condition, its the guy who's refused to release his records at all, outside of a ridiculously worded one-paragraph statement that the signing doctor says laughs about which reads *exactly* like the language used the said guy's own off-the-cuff speeches. Same vocabulary, same mannerisms. This is so over the top, it's really hard to escape the impression he's trying desperately to hide something.
Trump is 70. That would be the oldest elected POTUS ever (and older than his opponent), and we literally have no real idea about the state of his health. All we can do is eyeball the guy, and frankly he doesn't exactly look like a healthy 70yo. My doctor has me on beta meds and is trying to get me to lose weight, and Trump's got 40 years and easily 20 pounds on me. As someone nearing 50, I can guarantee you that there is just flat out no way a doctor looks over that person at age 70 and isn't at least on his case to drop weight.
If you're a person who honestly thinks nebulous future concerns about a candidate's health are a good voting issue, then you flat out must be more concerned about Trump than Clinton.
I can't remember encountering such obvious political mud-slinging here on Slashdot before. I guess I was under the mistaken impression that this was a zone safe from non-tech-related, political cow patties.
But psychiatrists and psychologists can be reprimanded and lose their license to practice if they go on TV and say "That person is bonkers, I can tell from watching him on TV"
It doesn't remove their right to say this, but they are still subject to the consequences of their actions.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
I can't remember encountering such obvious political mud-slinging here on Slashdot before. I guess I was under the mistaken impression that this was a zone safe from non-tech-related, political cow patties.
Because...clicks....
Started with Dice, and the new crew are keeping the same clickbait philosophy going.
Captcha: "audacity"
If the President ever dies in office it will be a monumental catastrophe of epic proportions!!! We will be leaderless and rudderless, without any other person defined to step in and perform the office and duites of President! It's not like the candidates actually have to run with somebody else who would be first in line to take over those duties if something happened or anything! It's not like that there was a vice office established for that purpose instead of pandering to voters in a critical swing state or otherwise be used politically as leverage to help the president win the job! Or that voters might consider such a Vice office of the President Candidate as one who could step in if that happened when casting a vote for President!
In fact, one person won't do.... you'd really almost need some sort of Line.... one of Succession, if you will.... one that would go at least seventeen offices deep after the President. (And even then something could be worked out rationally, like a combination of seniority first/size of state second line down the Congressional ranks or similar compromise.)
OMG, whatever shall we doooooooooo?????????
woops, sorry. wrong group hate
What a crap article for /. This is barely fit for the national enquirer.
I say she should agree to release her medical records when Trump agrees to release his tax returns. Fair trade, right?
Isn't that just more political posturing bullshit, though?
I don't think either matter much. I think Hillary looks unhealthy. I've never seen a candidate for office go on multiple 2-minute long coughing fits or need a stool, and her head-bob seizure things look like TIAs.
But, if you're fine with the Clintons' massive corruption, all the pay for play shit at the state department, the toppling of governments and all the war dead for the interests of foreign governments and all that shit..."oh she's sick" isn't really going to dissuade one from voting for her.
Same thing with Trump's tax returns. I just don't believe there's anybody out there on the fence saying "gee, I'm fine with a wall, deporting millions of people, banning muslims...but what if there's something shady in his tax returns?!?! Nope nope nope #ImWithHer!"
Neither of the records matter.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
That's basically who Reagan was, right?
Yes but if anything he was the anti-Trump. Trump is all about scaring people and promoting himself. As much as I disagreed with Reagan on many things he was not a narcissist like Trump and he actually seemed to listen to his advisors much of the time. You could have an honest disagreement about policy with him. Trump clearly cares about no opinion except his own which is usually ill informed, damaging, and self indulgent. He is a pathological liar who spouts nonsensical drivel that is easily refuted and yet some idiots think he is a "straight shooter". Trump also is a vindictive, thin skinned, jerk who takes time out of his day to be an asshole to people who have the nerve to disagree with him.
His achievements (and failures) were largely a result of the people he surrounded himself with, not because of his own personal competence (Trump will be the same way if he wins).
That's true of any leader. The guy at the top gets too much credit and too much blame but really the most important thing they do is to pick the people who report to them, listen to them carefully, and to give them marching orders. I have NO confidence that Trump would do a competent job of picking good people and listening to them or that his marching orders would be remotely sane.
But he was able to project happiness and joy (or whatever) to the general public, and not just Republicans.
Trump does not project happiness or joy in any way.
...is how that part is not in the summary - but there is a link to a 1990s-style website's article by a retired surgeon who dabbles in politics by advising Democrats not to vote in the Democratic primaries - cause "it makes no sense".
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Wow - I had gotten used to the brain-dead twattle dominating the comments, but this is ridiculous. Good bye, Slashdot! It was fun when it really was news for nerds, and when the stuff really did matter.
I have had chronic fatigue syndrome since 1994. It hit me like a truck and has only very slowly been getting better. Even now, I have to very carefully manage my time and energy. Regardless, I managed to have a successful software engineering and chip design career, then got a PhD, and now I work as a professor at a major public university and research center. To do this, I had to cut things out of my life that others are not willing to give up. For instance, I don’t have much of a social life, and I don’t get to watch much TV or spend time playing video games.
Some of us may disagree with Hillary’s political views or whatnot. Putting that aside, is she healthy enough to do the job? I don’t know the details, but we can see that she has had a successful political career. In public appearances, she seems to be healthy enough (but then again, so do I and I feel like total crap much of the time). Keep in mind that lots of past presidents have had significant health problems that did not stop them from doing the job.
We also have a fall-back plan. Is Tim Kaine any good? Can he take up any slack? If Hillary tanks, can he adequately take over the job? Also keep in mind that Bill Clinton will be around and he will be a very active first-spouse.
Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease known to a man. Simply she IS a mad-cow-disease. With her insanely high lying levels, one can expect onset of WW III before you spell word "she-calf." Vote for Trump, he wants to fix what ails the USA, and trust me, this list is very very very long.
Republicans have been exaggerating and making up things about the Clintons for decades, they have desensitized the general public to any legitimate claims. Good job.
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - AAPS - is a non-partisan professional association of physicians in all types of practices and specialties across the country.
Since 1943, AAPS has been dedicated to the highest ethical standards of the Oath of Hippocrates and to preserving the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship and the practice of private medicine.
About a year ago, I considered leaving /., with the rise of political stories here, but I was not able to find a good alternative to /. . Like my ISPs, and the police, /. is now medicore, but I am not aware of a better, free alternative.
You'll be back. It's impossible to leave. Like a spouse in an abusive relationship. Even if it's just as an AC, posting at zero level.
We welcome you on SoylentNews. Please come onto our lawn. ;)
Rambling, loudmouthed, self-broadcasting, unwashed noobs please keep off the grass
It won't do any good until they learn to filter the trash.
Without actually examining her, how much faith can we put in their opinions?
Since Hillary Clinton's own doctor's actually did say that she had a brain hemorrhage after a concussion I don't think there is much mystery here. The only mystery is how well she has recovered or not.
Why, it's only the guy who founded Citizen's United, bringing about the world of "Superpacks" - over an anti-Hillary "documentary".
Hey... remember that time he tried framing Bill Clinton for murder?
That's your world now, at least until elections.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I only dropped in on the comments to see how bad the flaming was, but instead it was overwhelming agreement that the article was shit. As bad as the comments can get when there's even the barest excuse of a reason to talk politics, this thread almost gives me hope that things might not be as bad as the loudest people make it seem.
Nope, no sig
And that's why men generally die younger.
Right.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I'm not fan of Trump, but ignoring her likely medical condition just because "She deserves it" or "Anybody but Trump" isn't going to help the country. She likely has Parkinson's Disorder, as calmly and methodically outlined by medical professional in this video:
https://youtu.be/Zr1IDQ2V1eM
Ok folks, new startegy.
We get Hillary to changer her running mate to Sandars, then arrange for a bunch of Whitehouse interns to sneak up on her and shout boo.
If is works we can call it the Ghost Coup.
OK. Talk to you next week.
How many times have we been told to trust panels of ultra-liberal "climate scientists" about global warming being harmful?
Are we supposed to believe experts or not?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If Hillary is really in poor health, she would not be running for president at all. It's that simple.
If we were really serious about keeping presidential candidates in good health, nobody under the age of 30 or over the age of 60 would be permitted to run for President. Most people's health rapidly decline after age 60, that's why mandatory retirement is between 55 and 65 in many countries. Why we would allow politicians to stay in power after age 55 is counter-productive, but it would be "age-ist" if we draw too thick of line between "too old" and "too old to be in good health"
Hillary can still walk, therefor she is in good health. My aging grandparents are in their 90's. My grandfather on that side has been retired for as long as I can remember. (He would have been 55+ when I was born) The point that my Grandfather quit being "capable" of taking care of himself was when he had some aortic thing replaced. My Grandmother on the other hand looks to be in better health but she isn't. My great-grandmother passed away after suffering for several years of dementia when I was 14. My Grandmother said to my Mother "Don't ever let me get that way, put me out of my misery"
And that's the thing, Hillary is not 90, she's 68. If she wins the presidential election, she may be around until she's 76. That's plenty of time. Bill is 70, he'd be 78 by that time. He's very likely to still be around by that time too.
Barack Obama will be 55 when he leaves the office. Exactly at the age people should retire. That's the same age Bill Clinton left.
They may have that right, but the professional organizations that certify them also have the right to hold them to account when they act unethically. Freedom of speech is about state intrusion upon free expression, not about whether the professional organization one VOLUNTARILY joins doing an investigation into ethics. If you want to be a lawyer, accountant, engineer, medical doctor or a psychologist, you have to agree to upholding certain ethical standards, and if you do not, then you can be held to account and even stripped of your right to act in the capacity of your chosen field.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Submit better stories. Problem solved.
Problem NOT solved. We all know that there are better stories submitted than this. What we expect is some *glimmer* of editorial influence. The "bitching and moaning" is legitimate discourse for this travesty, and seeing people posting "I am leaving Slashdot" over *this submission* is something worth taking notice of, instead of writing pithy dismissals.
This level of malpractice and privacy violation (66% in favor of telling the public without instruction from the candidate) should be disqualifying as a physician. The state medical boards are being negligent not to demand names.
Why is this trash posted here, is the new Infowars site? Did Alex Jones by slashdot. This site is going down hill fast.
No, because that allows either of them to back out.
I say it should be required for both of them to release 1) their medical records, 2) their tax returns, and 3) their transcripts for any speeches. Refusal to release any of this results in them being disqualified from the race. It should be mandatory that any candidate for this office release all that info.
Lastly, the election system should be revised so that someone can only win with at least 60% of the popular vote.
Presidential candidates shouldn't just have to release their records (since they could have a complicit personal physician after all). They should be required to be examined by several independent physicians, who can then decide whether the candidate is medically qualified or not.
They should also be required to release their tax returns and other financial records and also the transcripts for any paid speeches. I demand nothing less than full transparency.
Hillary's supporters don't care about Hillary - they care about the cause. Hillary is just one soldier in the war for this cause.
The cause is to grow government way beyond it's constitutional bounds. The cause is forcing you to disarm "for the benefit of society". The cause is higher taxes and even higher spending. The cause is national debt that our great grand kids will never be able to repay.
The cause is "it takes a village to raise a child" or stated another way "government should raise my child because I can't be bothered to".
Liberals envision a world where government is big enough to solve all problems.
Unfortunately, a government big enough to solve all of your problems is big enough to take everything you have.
WTF is with the alt-right hatchet job? I know Slashdot has a libertarian slant but this is not news for nerds or stuff that matters, this is just bullshit.
-and occasionaly a giant moose.
Like, delete this! This isn't news, it isn't true, it's clearly totally balls-out insane made up. What.
"I don't want to start a holy war here..."
Why the hell is this on Slashdot? Okay, that's it. I have been a faithful reader since Slashdot was founded, but I'm now done with this has-been of a site.
nt
Actually, I'm ok if hilliary bites it after the election. I think Kaine would make a pretty good prez. Pence on the other hand strikes me as the reincarnation of Dan Quayle. Quayle also from Indiana and had a constant deer in headlights look just like pence. And if you think hilliary looks unhealthy, watch some clips of that fat cow trump from the side. Mostly he wears clothes and gets photos from angles you can't see it so much. Trump reminds me of Martha Stewart in that she goes ballistic when a camera shot catches her gut.
Why should Hillary get a free pass?
No, the reasons is to avoid law suits, especially the kind the come from patients knowing any information whatsoever about their own health, so the doctors can operate in total secrecy like the corrupt mafia that they actually are, under the guise of patient protection. Every time I request my medical records the doctors refuse to give them; push me to only send them to doctors, ONLY, for free; or charge me hundreds for them. They're all crooked. Most don't know it. All human systems become corrupt.
Hillary has a serious swallowing problem. That points to a serious brain condition. I suffer from neurological problems myself, and I see it in her. She's a major public figure in the public eye. It's fair game.
Clearly Hillary needs to be examined before any worthwhile diagnoses.
But there is substantial evidence that Hillary may have serious healthy issues.
Why not resolve the issue one why, or the other?
The dems made a huge issue of McCain's health in 2008. Why is it a conspiracy theory to have concerns about Hillary health?
Am I the only one who knows how to do a google search around here?
The American Physicians and Surgeons is a fraudulent, antiabortion front group "Greenwashing" a rightwing propaganda operation
This is hardly the first time this fraud has been attempted.
LETS GET THE WORD OUT!
So sorry to see you go. I have only been on Slashdot for about 10 years and I'm disgusted by this story too.
Whipslash, please address how the editors royally screwed up by approving this story. A simple, "We're sorry for this" would go a long way.
Spartacus
Do you think Trump is going to stop using his personal email if he becomes POTUS?
I hear ya; I've been a daily reader since the end of 1999. I was kind of wondering when the last straw would come.
Vampires may get older, uglier, and develop alzheimers ( the blood was contaminated )
but it does take a beheading and a wooden stake through the heart to kill them...
Read Bram Stoker .
It's been real, but not for quite a while. Thank you, slashdot, for helping me to finally remove your dreck from my RSS feed.
'The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."' Wikipedia.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
AAPS is a political organization for right-wing doctors, so go figure
This is what it looks like when a real doctor, that seems to know wtf he is talking about, looks at the evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr1IDQ2V1eM
You tell me if the poll is doctored.
Part of me really believes that Donald's health was "astonishingly excellent" given that all his tests were "showing only positive results". And I'll continue to mostly believe this until his doctor issues a corrected letter with his signature on it.
How hard is that?
Trump's tolerance for shoddy workmanship, as exemplified by his health letter, beggars the imagination. And I do think a little suspicion is warranted here.
That's far from a direct disavowal of his "accidentally" inverted semantics. Not all that far, in fact, from what you might expect from Clinton 42, if his weasel had blended better into a backdrop of verbal incompetence (problem: brain too big to drop the stammer-hammer "I do not recall having sexual relations with, uh, that woman, er, what's-her-name?")
Nixon was another Pinocchio president who suffered for having a brain too big to discretely tuck behind his thigh in a Statue of Liberty fizzle drizzle (if that's not immediately obvious, picture the opposite-George razzle dazzle of the Iran–Contra affair, ultimate doper's edition: don't look here, I'm less mentally continent than Frank Drebin shuffling around an extended care facility in a strapless night gown) so he went up the gut with "well, I am not a crook" only to slam into a human wall of meat, though not quite so literally as Mark Foley.
In this play book, where it concerns Trump's doctor, I'm not positive I could locate his actual brain given three Dixie cups and a hundred reveals, so the SoL mind-tuck is definitely in play here.
Believe me - it's better that you leave on your own.
You should have seen a few years ago, when I had to bitch-slap keineobachtubersie off of Slashdot. Slapped that little motherfucker so hard, he was afraid to come back.
I almost forgot about him. I wonder what username he's trolling under these days.
It can alter the proportion of good stories. As I said, problem solved.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Didn't realize I wasn't logged it. I didn't mean to post as AC...but it explains why I got a CAPTCHA prompt to submit!
I haven't voted for a major-party candidate since '08 (fooled me once, Obama), with most of my national-office votes going to the Libertarian candidate.
This time, though, I'm batting for Jill Stein.
Hillary Clinton is not an option for me.
If allegations of Hillary's health matter ...then I wonder why Trump's obvious morbid obesity isn't an issue? Hmm...
First, over 2000 psychiatrists and other mental health professionals disagree with your claim. They had no problem signing a petition about Donald Trump's effect on people's mental health, even though they had not examined either Trump or the public.An opinion is NOT a diagnosis.
Do a search for "psychiatric evaluation of hitler" (hello, Godwin). You'll find many psychiatrists who freely give psychiatric opinions of Hitler without ever having met, never mind examined, the man. The same for many dead people. You don't see their estates suing, because they'd lose.
Also, there have been cases of psychiatrists being called as rebuttal witnesses without having examined the accused. We had one recently here.
The US has been doing psychological and psychiatric profiles of foreign leaders since at least the 2nd world war - without the subject's knowledge or consent, and without ever having met the subject.
The so-called "Goldwater Rule" is unenforced, and unenforceable.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I've seen plenty of my submissions on the front page - including the killing of Osama bin Laden (under my old account) that are news for nerds, not news about nerds. There's a difference but some people fail to grasp it. All news is fair game, as long as (some) nerds might have an interest in it. if you don't like a story, JUST DON'T READ IT. Unless you have OCD, this should not be a problem. You can even log in and alter your preferences to hide stories in specific categories.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
From the Wikipedia article on the AAPS:
Nothing to see here but a bunch of nutcases. If I found out my doctor was a member of the AAPS, I'd be looking for a new doctor.
Chris Christie is as healthy as a horse.
"Informal Internet Poll"? Really?
No responsible physician answered this poll, because they could lose their license. You may not render any judgement on the physical health of an individual whom you have not personally examined - doing so is beyond irresponsible, and actionable by your licensing board.
Yes, you keep posting this, over and over. We're starting to think your'e right, you do have neurological issues. Maybe you could just keep them to yourself? How would that be?
her mental health issues.
This survey is garbage. Physicians don't weigh with "armchair diagnoses" -- especially of high-profile political figures -- without seeing actual medical records. (Which makes me wonder how exactly this "informal internet survey" made sure that its respondents were actual physicians, and not just people trying to push a political agenda.)
But even beyond that, surveys are automatically flawed unless you weight your sample to control for bias Think about it. If you're a Hillary-hater, you're going to have some bias in how you answer the question, and you're certainly going to be much more excited about answering them. These results basically tell us, "Most of the people who took this poll couldn't be bothered to stick around to answer all of the questions -- except for those people who really really seemed to have a bad opinion about Hillary and/or her personal health."
The AAPS is a Conservative political movement of doctors, what a surprise they are finding ways to denounce Hillary. Hey, I wonder if you asked a bunch of Liberal doctors if they'd have the exact opposite opinion. Thanks for buying into the clickbait hype though, idiots.
AAPS are apparently trying to imitate the Tenth Doctor when he got pissed at Harriet Jones, Prime Minister (yes, we know who you are).
Not as successfully, of course.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
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I took a look at the poll and it seems that a majority of these physicians believe that HRC's medical symptoms are serious enough that they need to be discussed and/or disclosed by any candidate.
Tell me something, if you had a co-worker that could end up being your boss show signs of illness then would you not want to have some assurance that this illness would not affect your work? She's been shown to have some serious coughing fits. We've seen her act confused. She's had some rather unusual twitches/spasms. It does not take professional medical training to know these things are signs of potential medical problems. If she were not running for POTUS then I would not care so much about her health. It's not like I wish her ill health if she weren't running, it's that her health is not something that would be of my concern if she was to retire.
You seem to speak as if these physicians are dictating her treatment or offering a diagnosis. They are not saying what kind of care she needs, or claiming she suffers from some specific illness. What they are saying is that she is showing signs of an illness, an illness that may be serious, and these symptoms should disqualify anyone for running for POTUS.
Again, these are medical professionals that have seen a person act in a way consistent with someone with a serious illness, serious enough to be disqualifying for public office. They did not make a claim on what that illness may be, and they are not recommending any specific treatment. It's just natural for someone, even without formal training in medicine, to be concerned about someone's health after seeing them with a coughing fit like we've seen from HRC. Getting a physician to say that perhaps she is not fit to be POTUS from what we've all seen should not be considered any kind of medical malpractice. In fact I would like to see more physicians speak up about this rather than some talking head that studied journalism, political science, or whatever in college.
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And can you imagine how rolly-eyed all we "furriners" feel when we see ANOTHER zeppo whinathon about their own corrupt political system. ... :(
For fuck's sake, take it somewhere else. You're boring, predictable and empty-headed.
I'm with my parent poster - that's enough for me, there's far too much shit here since the Cowboy took his leave
Great point. However what you advocate is contrary to the way the current "two party + the media" system works. The media and the politicians can meta-discuss the discussion of the discussions, ad infinitum. This allows them to avoid any policy discussions, completely. This is not a side effect. This is by intention.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
I was initially fooled by this article. I thought that the AAPS was a "legitimate" interest group. It turns out that I may have been mistaken:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-party-doctors-american-association-physicians-surgeons
I hope that someone else finds that as interesting as I did.
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She is taking Warfarin? True, it is cheap but the monitoring and testing is not - she is rich!. And she is subject to diet restriction, and worse of all, the danger is brain bleed is worse than Rivaroxaban or number of modern alternatives.
Sorry, if you want to be leader of the free-world, your right of privacy is forfeited. Finances, medical, all of it.
This is not true. They are professionally licensed and risk losing that license in cases where they perform actions that are inconsistent with the requirements of such license, including actions which are considered unethical. You can call a doctor who has lost his license a doctor all you want, but in the United States it is illegal for that doctor to provide medical care in almost all scenarios. They may be protected from the government under the first amendment, but not from the medical board.
Similar things happen with law licenses. See how former President Bill Clinton lost his law license in Arkansas for a period of time as part of a plea deal to ensure that a certain sexual harassment case would not proceed any farther.
This "survey" was probably taken in the context of the results not being public or used for any particular purpose. Group of guys talking shit while playing poker in someone's basement kind of thing.
Hillary collapsed at the 9/11 memorial and they said she has pneumonia. But it's really aspiration pneumonia from serious brain damage. That means her neurological swallowing failure is pretty catastrophic for it to progress this rapidly to pneumonia. You keep covering it up you un-American traitor. America has a right to know.
It's obvious you didn't read the survey. Over 2,000 signatures, with names and positions. This disproves the claim that they can't speak out publicly. Nobody loses their license over this sort of thing. They know that it would just result in the Streisand Effect making the governing bodies look like fools.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.