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Donald Trump Is Sworn In As the 45th US President (reuters.com)
Donald Trump was sworn in as the 45th president of the United States on Friday, succeeding Barack Obama and taking control of a divided country in a transition of power that he has declared will lead to "America First" policies at home and abroad. Reuters reports: As scattered protests erupted elsewhere in Washington, Trump raised his right hand and put his left on a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln and repeated a 35-word oath of office from the U.S. Constitution, with U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts presiding.
Nobody rushing the stage shouting "You are the greatest monster in human history!" while blasting away?
He made a lot of bold promises based on a lot of questionable data.
However he did win, even though most of the media said he never had a chance, so who knows, he is literally just so crazy that it might work. Or we are going be be doomed.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
That didn't take long. Keep thinking everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi.
He's been sworn in for almost an hour now and no nuclear war....exceeding expectations.
Less H1-b fraud/abuse, more regular employment for those that want it, and a climate where anyone can succeed - not just those that identify correctly.
Even if one opposes him, one should be hoping for success.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I switched on the radio to hear the evening PM programme (I live in the UK). It was wall to wall Trump; a live broadcast of the choreographed event - public spectacle, not news. Have any more been found alive after that avalanche in Italy, what is happening in The Gambia, ... ?
I'm not anti Trump, nor particularly for him. The news was when he was elected, today was just some pomp and ceremony - but not news.
Now watch the the EB Green Card cap being abolished. If all the H1Bs get Greencards salaries will go up as they will start jumping around.
**Life is too short to be serious**
The Anonymous Cowards are going to be out in full force on the comments section of this one.
You mean populists... right? Because, Trump is a populist, not a nationalist. You do understand the difference, right?
Or should we call him 'Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief'?
Personally I prefer 'President Pussy-Grabber', and I encourage everyone so inclined to refer to him as such whenver possible.
All his supporters had to work today.
Because all of his supporters are at work.
I'm interested to see how many of his "day one" actions he'll keep his word on.
Stuff that matters?
As the president of the largest democratic nation on Earth it matters for all people on Earth, even if they cannot vote for or against that president.
News for Nazis
This. Garbage like this is exactly why Trump won the election. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
Bill Clinton was sitting near the font and there were several women within hands reach (not including his wife obv.).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I believe "God" is keyword for the CIA.
But I thought all his supporters had their jobs taken by illegals?
It amazes me that people continue to believe Trump is impulsive. There's nothing impulsive about anything Trump does; it's all extremely calculated. If I didn't know better I was say the press were in collusion to spread that myth in order to make people underestimate Trump, but as usual Occam's razor applies and the press are just full of idiots.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I was going to respond by correcting every point since you didn't manage to get anything right but... instead I'll just say I hope you can find someone to give you a hug today. Good luck! Hope you feel better soon!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Trump will be remembered, but not fondly.
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Yep at work, But I am throwing a pizza party in about 5 minutes - just waiting for the delivery.
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
I watched him take the oath of office.
He looked grim.
Or impatient.
Or maybe annoyed.
His wife was dressed very nicely. She looks good in blue.
mmm...hmm... Crime is at a low, and where I live, a fraction of what it used to be in the 1990s. Shootings are down overall, but more mass murders are happening. I personally can walk down streets at night in the town where I live, that a few decades ago, I would have been dead for even trying in the day time.
The US is a safe place. Take the outliers out (Chicago, DC, Detroit), and it actually is safer than most of Western Europe.
A populist dolls out money to voters, while a nationalist says exactly what Trump said in his speech.
Im Irish and from what I've seen, there has been an enormous smear campaign against him especially from CNN and all the way back to Jeb Bush who tried to destroy him and fell flat on his face. There's nothing wrong with putting your country first and America's prosperity is good for Europe. My only concern is that he has establishment enemies, liberal extremelist enemies, and radical islamic fundamentalist enemies. The secret service need to be up to the task. I believe he is a good man for the most part.
While I'll admit that Mr. President Trump's speech offers little hope to me that he will make America whole again, he has only been with in as President, not Fuhrer. It does feel unpleasantly like cresting the first rise in a roller coaster, but at this point we have no real choice but to see where the ride goes . . . and by vigilance and proper engagement in the political process try to keep the ride from going off the rails.
America is definitely not a secular state.
The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "
The government cannot prohibit citizens from exercising their religion. The whole separation of church and state is from something Thomas Jefferson wrote but its not in the constitution or bill of rights. It was their first amendment right to exercise their religious beliefs during the inauguration (as it would be anytime).
...be full of well balanced debate, thoughtful insights, and courteous discourse.
Dang it, now where did I put my prescription?
Are you saying "Fuck..." as a leftist, knowing that the upcoming success of President Trump's economic and social policies will leave leftism in America ruined, possibly forever?
Are you saying "Fuck..." as a foreigner who wishes to illegally bypass America's border controls and immigration procedures?
Are you saying "Fuck..." as a foreign capitalist who will no longer be able to exploit imbalanced "fair trade" deals?
Are you saying "Fuck..." as a Democrat politician, knowing that your party is splintering and becoming increasing irrelevant at all levels of politics?
This is actually an incredibly positive and encouraging time for many Americans. There's actually a great chance that they'll see economic and social policies that will truly benefit them. This is the first time we've seen this in decades. America's future is now looking brighter than it has in a very long time.
Might want to step out of your echo chamber. There is a whole world out there that is contrary to your circle jerk.
No, Nazis are a specific brand of racial and religious supremacy. And you can say that Trump is a bad person without saying he's a Nazi (he'd be a really bad one, seeing as how his daughter converted to Judaism).
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
So you're saying Trump won the election because people think he's a Nazi?
The U.S. is almost equally divided after every Presidential election. Why is it that this phrase is only trotted out when a Republican is sworn in?
So, what you're really saying is that FDR was a NAZI?
I'm also quite certain that Trump isn't at all likely to invade Russia heading into a winter, so there is that, too.
Less H1-b fraud/abuse, more regular employment for those that want it, and a climate where anyone can succeed - not just those that identify correctly.
Yes, in Trump's America, anyone can succeed... as long as they were born rich.
Even if one opposes him, one should be hoping for success.
That is true. We're all in the plane he just took over the controls of; we really shouldn't hope for it to crash.
First of all, there's no indication that President Trump is interested in an expansionist policy.
I know, mate. He'll probably sell Alaska back to Russia now.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
It seems there is ***only*** two kinds of people, those that agree with Trump and those who do not. None will come to a common ground, there will be no trades or bargaining. It will be either you go along with me or you can just f---off. Lots of luck for a united people.
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That didn't take long. Keep thinking everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi.
...you mean like our intelligence agencies?
I think my major concern with the next few years is that he's a bit of a loose cannon. You don't want a loose cannon who's obviously quite sensitive when pushed on things negotiating with other countries or making impulsive decisions that are hard to undo. I doubt he'd start a war (intentionally) but I really think he has to lay off the late-night Twitter. Telegraphing exactly what bothers you to your adversaries isn't a smart move. Sure, you can argue it's all a show, but some of the anger he's displayed with the press, his critics, etc. show that it's very hard to hide his feelings and just keep quiet.
Here's what I'm mainly worried about -- now that Trump's President, the gloves come off of every single loud-mouthed, opinionated angry citizen who loves to moan and complain. By providing an example of "acceptable" behavior via his constant personal attacks on people, I think he's going to signal to everyone that they no longer need to be civil to one another. I know a lot of people who just aren't happy unless they're railing loudly against anyone and anything. Having that be the starting point for any discussion or debate for the next 4 or 8 years is going to lead to further retrenchment of people into their respective camps. I for one can't stand engaging with people who come out swinging, looking for a fight on every little thing...it's just not a personality type I'm interested in dealing with. The world's complex enough already and life's short, so why waste processor cycles arguing pointlessly?
One thing I did like about the Obama years was that he was a very approachable President. Even when the political rancor was at its worst, with a few exceptions he took the high road in these arguments. I doubt we're going to see that very much anymore -- it's going to be years of angry press conferences and sound bites.
No really. Some people think America is great because, but it really is a shit hole. I mean really, mass shootings are a regular occurrence, crime is high despite having the largest prison population in the world.
Violent crime is pretty much at an all-time low. Reading the news is a bit misleading on this score.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Crime_Victim_Chart.gif
Oh please. Any decent simulation would include sanity checks...
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I definitely grab some whenever I can.
First of all, there's no indication that President Trump is interested in an expansionist policy. In fact, the evidence suggests the opposite, that America will be entering a period of increasing isolationism and self-sufficiency.
Until he determines that he needs to protect ethnic Americans in the Sudetenland.
A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
It is quite ridiculous. It seems that despite political correctness advancements, it would still be impossible for an atheist (that is, anyone who is not terminally insane yapping about jebus and imaginary sky fairies) to become president in the USA.
Lets get this straight, people: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD!
One has to be pretty drooling stupid to believe in that child-molesting garbage, yet in front of the people who are supposed to be running this country they have these retarded blathering idiots going on about their magic sky daddies and friends.
It is one thing to make a president swear on some 2000 year old book of BS because tradition. But there no excuse for the rest. None at all.
As an atheist it reminds me that I am not represented and that people would still be happy to come at me with their torches and pitchforks.
I guess it depends on your definition of "largest."
When talking about a system of government, geographically largest doesn't really make any sense. Population, however, makes a whole lot of sense.
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You fucks didn't learn anything.
Keep it up, nominate a red next round...eight years.
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Are you self medicating, again?
Tolerance is indeed the key term. And every time religion gets involved in government, we get laws that try to impose a particular set of religious laws on everybody else.
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No, he won because the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions. You know, the party of inclusion that can't wait to have 60+ sitting congresspersons "boycott" the inauguration of the president that they now have to work with. Their candidate for president was even there, and tweeting about working together. Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.
The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.
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They self-identify as unemployed; that's what counts.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Wrong part of the constitution
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We religiously defend the separation of church and state here in the US (except for Christianity).
The United States is three times the size of India.
If you're talking about population. India is by far the world's largest democracy.
If you're talking about land size. Canada is the world's largest democracy. (unless you consider Russia democratic- then it is).
If you're talking about weight of the average person then... yes... in that scenario, the US is the largest democracy.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Canada and Russia which have elections would be...
This is actually an incredibly positive and encouraging time for many Americans. There's actually a great chance that they'll see economic and social policies that will truly benefit them.
lol cool story bro. Most Americans are not billionaires, unfortunately.
Bullshit. 2 full terms later and you're STILL blaming the insane national debt and failed economy on Bush instead of Obama.
Your finger only knows how to point in one direction.
So you think Israel should just unilaterally abandon the Two STate Solution and start colonizing Palestinian territory? I'm generally a supporter of Israel, but those illegal settlements are deliberately provocative.
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It seems that Islam was not represented ?
I am dismayed by the number of times "God" was referenced, sigh.
Well, Islam and Christianity do worship the same god, so.....
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
If a president-elect dies AFTER the electoral college, the VP becomes president and picks a new VP who is confirmed by Congress.
On the other hand, if the president-elect were to die between election Tuesday and the electoral college, things get much more interesting. The electoral college would choose (at least initially) but state laws limit their choices. State laws which bind electors but don't account for death make it tricky. Likely, the VP-elect would become president (Pence in this case), and the LOSING VP candidate (Tim Kaine) would become VP.
http://presidentelect.org/art_...
Absolutely agree, Hillary was endeavoring to establish a new Cold War with Russia. Over largely baseless accusations, and actions that utterly pale in comparison to what America has done to its rivals and even its allies.
Meanwhile, folks think rich always want war. And perhaps certain wars benefited oil moguls, etc. But Trump is a real estate billionaire. Hotels, resorts, properties. War is NOT GOOD for those type of businesses. First off, tourism plummets, second their buildings are often destroyed. So I suspect that Trump will be far less likely to engage in armed conflict.
I'd be very curious, and laugh my butt off if he stopped our bombings. What would the Democrats say if Trump went 4 years without bombing any countries.
If Trump had died before being sworn in, would the vice-president elect get prompted or would the Electoral College re-vote?
Obama is technically still the President until Trump is sworn in (and Pence, even though having taken the oath already, isn't VP until Trump is sworn in). SO if something were to happen Obama would most likely remain president until Pence is able to be sworn in as President, assuming whatever took out Trump didn't get Pence. If all of them were taken out the Jeh Johnson would have become president as he was the designated survivor.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
But he won the game. And that was the point. And had it been about the popular vote. Trump would of campaigned differently, focused only on the large cities. And since he would of got almost all of the rural votes by default, he'd only have to swing a few points in a couple of cities. And he could of easily won the popular vote.
But what point is there in winning a few million more votes in California to be popular if it doesn't help you get elected?
Wrong as usual, MightyMartian.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Commander in Chief, President of the United States of America, etc. are not titles of nobility, nor does Trump hold any other such titles granted by the United States of America.
Trump has not accepted any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever from any king, prince, or foreign state since being sworn in.
Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary, shut the fuck up.
Even if Putin wanted to send him a gift basket to wish him well, it would go to the President, not to Trump himself. If it was a personal gift, Congress could declare it to be the property of Trump and not of the office.
No, he won because the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions. You know, the party of inclusion that can't wait to have 60+ sitting congresspersons "boycott" the inauguration of the president that they now have to work with. Their candidate for president was even there, and tweeting about working together. Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.
The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.
I'm sure that the Democrats will show all the support and understanding to Trump that the Republicans showed to Obama.
The fact that there's a whole shitload of stupid people out there doesn't change the fact that those people are wrong.
I am not mad at people like you because Clinton lost. I am unconcerned that we have different politics. And I don’t think less of people like you because you vote one way and I vote another. I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him. I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country. I think less of people like you because you watched him equate a woman’s worth to her appearance and got on board. It isn’t your politics that I find repulsive. It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty. You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget. So, no people like you and I won’t be “coming together” to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn’t disgust people like you that will stick with me long after this election.
So ... Brits were Nazis, Americans were Nazis, Japanese were Nazis... pretty much everyone was Nazi by that definition, at least at some point of history.
Whew. I guess the Germans are finally off the hook now that they're basically like everyone else.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Trump is certainly *different* from previous Presidents and major candidates in important ways. Some good differences, some bad, and some with both good and bad aspects. We'll see what happens. I've been wrong when I predicted what Obama and Bush Jrs presidencies would be like, so I'm not going to try to predict Trump - we just have to wait and see.
Bad includes his seemingly impulsive Twitter comments to "fight back" against criticism. He probably should have ignored Meryl Streep, for example.
Good includes the fact that he's not dependent on campaign contributors like almost all major politicians are.
We'll just see where the roulette ball lands. I'll oppose any bad policies he proposes and support any good ones.
We did this to ourselves. No matter what it feels like, the fact is our system of government has functioned (and continues to function) exactly as designed. If Mr. President Trump is not likely to make America whole again, the task falls to us, the citizenry of this (long great and still great) nation. We must oppose insanity with calm and deliberate purpose, not with incohate and aimless rage.
Less H1-b fraud/abuse, more regular employment for those that want it, and a climate where anyone can succeed
The whole H1-b thing has already been put to rest. Nothing is going to happen there.
As far as the other two things, those are outside the powers of the President.
would have been dead for even trying in the day time
Lol ok. You know, generally people don't want to murder you for no reason. Even black people! I didn't believe it at first either, but it's true.
*sigh*
Fine, let's go by area. Then it would be Russia.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This post +++++++
Really? Please tell us how not filling the unknown with fairy tails is ridiculous.
How would you like it if you went to watch some important event and they spent a huge chunk of the event talking (or in this case even singing!) about how wrong you and your ways are.
That is the icon of the democratic party on the banner for this story. While Trump has been known to have held both sides of most matters lately, I have yet to see him call himself a democrat - and he most certainly did not have their endorsement to run for president.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
I believe "God" is keyword for the CIA.
No, God is what Trump likes to call himself.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
You mean like the Tea Party tantrums of 2009? I didn't forget about those. Did you?
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Those are all false statements with no truth whatsoever.
Actually, the "whole world" mostly agrees that Trump is a somewhere between an incompetent buffoon and a despicable nazi. It's only your little echo chamber in the US that thinks different.
The "emolument" is what you're missing. The sentence is longer than just "office" or "title"
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No, people who espouse racial and religious segregation and internment are Nazis.
Nazi America government interring Japanese Americans ring a bell?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
For those that don't know what that is, here is the entirety of the text of that clause
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Trump is NOT in violation of this clause. And it is a hillarious claim coming from anyone that voted for Hillary, who would have been actually in violation of this clause, with the Clinton Foundation.
Typically, all "Gifts" from foreign heads of state are property of the US Government and are placed in the public trust.
What this poster is trying to say, is that Trump cannot rent his hotel rooms out to people because that is a "gift".
Here is the definition:
a salary, fee, or profit from employment or office.
I wonder where all these people were when Hillary was SoS and Bill was being paid by all those rich Arab Princes and Kings for giving speeches. Why suddenly they are "horrified" that Trump owns a business that might rent a hotel room to a prince, but said nothing for 4 years while the Clinton's enriched themselves.
Hypocrites.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
In the rust belt. Full stop. Young people, blacks and Latinos stayed home. If you doubt me 538 had a meticulously sourced article on the subject. Hilary was arrogant. She assumed no sane country would elect Trump. She was wrong, and we're all gonna pay for it. For God's sake people, vote in your mid terms.
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The United States is three times the size of India.
And both Canada and Russia are larger than the United States geographically. I guess that would make one of them the largest democratic nation in the world if we were to go by geographic size. But we don't, not when we talk about "largest democracy." People vote, rocks don't.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Oh, it works, if my discussions with friends who voted for Hillary are any measure. Every last one of them conceded Hillary's weaknesses, but insisted she was a better pick than misogynistic, homophobic, racist Trump. And I can't really blame them for that opinion based on how much the media drilled that impression in. But while I agree that there are people who voted for the Great Pumpkin specifically because of the exaggerated and hysterical rhetoric used by the media, I think Hillary's defeat primarily came from her campaign's smugness about victory. The final weeks before the election, the message was consistently "Hillary's got this one, and Trump doesn't stand a chance." What hubris! What stupidity! That basically told all her supporters that it wasn't critical they get out and vote, while telling Trump's just how desperate the situation was.
But then, Hillary's campaign was a series of mismanaged debacles.
They are all true statements. I wouldn't expect Trump voters to care much about the truth though.
Correction: "Will he back down, or double down?"
Table-ized A.I.
That's why he won. You keep calling people stupid and deplorable if they happen to live in the middle of the country. What a hateful person you are.
When I take an objective look at the policies of President Trump, they differ significantly from those of Nazi Germany.
Trump doesn't bring in Nazi Germany's policies, definitely, but let's not kid ourselves here when he retweets people who are very open Nazi supporters. He may not be directly peddling their beliefs, but he sure as hell doesn't shy away from them either, and I'd have thought people who be a little more opposed to that. I'm German as well as American, and I still have a little chest in my attic that contains the Nazi papers for my grandmother, proving her "racial purity" and "ability to support the fatherland through childbirth". Next to that are the papers that notify her her husband was executed for "violations of peace and order", with his protesting. It serves as a nice reminder sometimes, what we were all collectively lucky enough to avoid. It's really not a sexy time period to have lived in, and I really would have thought that'd be more of a detriment to people who champion being against the Soviet Union and Russia, places with an absolutely awful record on human rights and standards of living. Ahhhh, but that's not a problem for people today either, eh?
isolationism and self-sufficiency
For the US, these don't really work. Think about it; what are our greatest industries? If you said agriculture, entertainment, and the dominance of the tech industry, you'd be correct. What use is a ridiculous surplus, movies, and a strong control of the industry if there's no use to sell them too? What exactly are we going to do with the ridiculous excess of corn we make every year if nobody wants to buy it?
The emphasis on greater border security, including the building of physical barriers, also backs up the idea that America won't be trying to expand its borders beyond where they are today. These are well-established borders, and have been for a very long time.
Fully agree. Once we collectively realized what asses we were to the Native Americans, thankfully, we (mostly) left behind our expansionist bullshit. I both think and hope we keep it that way. Fortunately, Obama was pretty in favor of border enforcement, as was Hillary Clinton, and virtually every other Democrat. The debate is about what we do with people who've lived in our own country for years but don't have our citizenship; it's probably worth noting that many people born, raised, and died in America also lack these papers or documents proving their citizenship except for maybe a birth certificate.
Actually enforcing long-standing immigration and border regulations is not "racism", as some people appear to incorrectly believe. These regulations apply to all people, regardless of race or other such attributes.
Not sure who this was aimed at, but Obama most definitely enforced immigration rules, and he even gets shit for that from some Democrats. If he let too many people stay, better ring up Bush, Bush Sr, or Reagan, because they all enforced their rules less than he did. (Regan even gave those criminal immigrants a permanent stay, clearly he must've been from Lithuania and only pretended to be an American and isn't really one)
Based on everything we've seen so far, President Trump's administration is actually putting the interests of all Americans first and foremost. This is the first time we've seen this in many decades.
The first comment I think you're flat out wrong. When you get past the Goldman-Sachs guy who wants to lower regulations on his industry, the EPA guy who wants to sue himself and then set precedent for stupid standards for his industry, and the president who wants to get insider deals for hiiiiiis industry, we can maybe start with Republicans & Trump repealing an act that will kill tens of thousands of people, or a guy who wants to concentrate on publicity stunts and shows focusing on his own glory i
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
In today's newspaper there's an article that says the new administration still has 3500 (out of 4000) political positions to fill, far more than previous administrations. Has Trump been taken by surprise by his own success?
Blame CA-NA-DA, Blame CA-NA-DA! Or wait a while, someone even worse than Trump when it comes to humans over money (Kevin O'Leary - "You're a cockroach" "The message is the medium, and the medium is money. " "Money’s great, money’s the point of everything., " "Unless there’s money to be earned, I don’t take meetings with people I don’t know or need to see" [On describing himself.] Slightly right of Attila the Hun.", - and the biggest lie - "The money will never lie" ) wants to be Prime Minister of Canada.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I thought she pulled off a nice Jackie O style coat :)
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"they let you" is not consenting?
the reason for letting him is irrelevant to the fact that they let him i.e. consent to.
tell me how you can let someone do something but not consent to them doing that thing. idiot.
Sorry, you're not Atheist. You're anti-theist. If you were truly atheist, you wouldn't care if people believed in FSM, Jesus, Buhdda, or Cthulhu or nothing at all.
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No pardon, now for the investigation to reveal 'new evidence' and the indictments to flow.
I'm thinking Huma is first, but not last.
Obama either is stupid or deliberately left Hillary twisting in the wind.
On the other hand, she might have six months to live. Nobody that knows is talking.
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That would be India. Over a billion people with democratic elections.
Only slightly more corrupt than the US.
This is obviously some strange usage of the word "slightly" that I wasn't previously aware of.
You may be right about the improbability of an atheist being elected, and I, for one, am glad. It isn't like we've had a great many presidents who actually followed Christ's teaching. Some have certainly done a better job than others. If more Christians lived up to what He expected of us, perhaps you wouldn't be so bitter.
God doesn't care about political correctness. He cares about being correct according to His precepts and His commandments. God loves everyone. He just hates what everyone does for part or most of their lives. If you don't wish to avail yourself of His method of reconciliation to Him and try to live up to those standards with His grace covering those times you fail to measure up, that has and always will be your choice. He's laid out the consequences of the free choice you are making. Hearts are rarely converted with torches and pitchforks.
"they let you do it" = consent. And this prudish attitude from so-called "liberal progressives" is odd.
This is actually an incredibly positive and encouraging time for many Americans. There's actually a great chance that they'll see economic and social policies that will truly benefit them.
lol cool story bro. Most Americans are not billionaires, unfortunately.
My investments are up, I'm less likely to have to train my H1B replacement, and I might get my old health plan back. Two hours in and it's looking pretty good.
Trump already Godwin'ed himself for real days ago.
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What emolument is he receiving from a foreign state? Note that business holdings in a foreign state, and profits from them, are not an emolument given by the foreign state. Please provide some actual evidence or specific details. This emolument clause impeachment bullshit has been circling the drain around liberal blogs and rags for the past couple of weeks. Every serious discussion of the matter has stated that it doesn't fucking apply to Trump for the exact reasons I've pointed out. He's not receiving gifts from foreign states. He's not some fuck boy for Putin, despite what Wolf Blitzer wants you to believe.
This emolument clause means the US doesn't have nobility and the US can't have people in office that are being bribed/controlled/puppeted by foreign entities. (And most people say this doesn't apply to elected positions, but only to offices of appointment.) There are other emolument clauses (such as the one saying the President can't get paid by the US beyond the pay for being President), but none of those are relevant either.
Presidents receive gifts from foreign states all the time. If the emolument clause meant what you want it to mean, Obama would have been in violation for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. The way it works is gifts given to the President are given to the President, and not the person. When the person leaves office, the gifts stay with the Office. They're typically stored and periodically displayed for tourists. "And here we have the stack of porno mags gifted to President Clinton in the third year of his first term by an unnamed dignitary of an undisclosed nation." If gifts are a more personal nature, Congress can simply decide the person can keep them.
Evidence and specifics that actually relate to the emolument clause or shut the fuck up.
Keep in mind that even if an attempt is made to use the emolument clause against Trump, and somehow the Supreme Court is retarded enough to find him in violation of it, the Republicans control Congress and can just approve every imagined "violation".
These Trump haters are desperate, but they should THINK before they start spouting this kind of shit. It reveals how fucking dumb they are and highlights exactly why Trump won. If they actually want to prevent Trump from having a second term, they need to learn and think, not bitch and moan and cling to ridiculous schemes to try to invalidate Trump's election. This is dumber than the circus about Obama's birth certificate. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to this horse?
The propaganda has really affected you
A country founded by wealthy slave owners you mean.
SHUSH! You'll ruin his narrative!
Next you'll be telling him that there's no separation of church and state in the Constitution, only the guaranteed right to be free to practice religion and the restriction against the state establishing a religion.
When you said, "As the president of the largest democratic nation on Earth it matters for all people on Earth"
You are saying the US is a larger democracy than India because our landmass is larger?
Than the prior statement about the US being the word's largest democracy would have to be Russia or Canada, etc.
If its is by population is not by the US either.
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Did anyone QA the thing? What a trainwreck! Maybe even "Sad!"
I found a dead link (copyright policy link at the bottom, which goes to an unknown server named "edit-45"), two merged sections of his policy plans ("America First Foreign Policy" includes the full text of "Trade Deals Working For All Americans"), and some sort of odd horizontal rule thing going on at "Bringing Back Jobs And Growth."
Where's my news for nerds?
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I have no desire to leave (or plans), but if I did, I'd go to Mexico. It's closer and I have friends there. Probably less expensive too. I go there anyway and it's a chill place, nice people
yeah!
Is he homophobic? I get the first two but I don't remember any homophobia.
Glad it's working for you my friend. You are the minority unfortunately. And I wouldn't hold out hope on that health plan thing, it's going to be a wild ride on that front...
I'm not the OP, but I am saying "Fuck..." as a Canadian who wished to see the US continue to be healthy and have a positive relationship with the rest of the world.
Instead, I see its government being taken over by a President who has demonstrably and repeatedly lied, who continues to control his financial empire while preventing his countrymen from seeing what exactly comprises that empire, who is unapologetically and thoroughly indulging in nepotism.
I see an executive that is made up of the richest, most powerful people of any cabinet in history, who have no need to change the economic and social policies because they, more than anyone else, have benefitted from the existing policies and therefore see no need to alter them to allow anyone else access to wealth.
I see a government that refuses to use science or evidence as a basis for its decisions, but glorifies ignorance and mocks education.
I see more attention being given to racial/cultural differences within the U.S., at a time when it finally looked like you were going to start moving past that bullshit.
To be entirely honest, I think that historians will look back and see that this election marked the beginning of the decline of the American Empire, with its government completely captured by the plutocracy and sound decision-making giving way to bombast, uninformed emotionalism, and slavish attention to soundbites and Tweets.
No, he won because the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions. You know, the party of inclusion that can't wait to have 60+ sitting congresspersons "boycott" the inauguration of the president that they now have to work with. Their candidate for president was even there, and tweeting about working together. Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.
The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.
I'm sure that the Democrats will show all the support and understanding to Trump that the Republicans showed to Obama.
By the way they are starting (by boycotting the inauguration), I think they are attempting to one-up the Republicans on this front...
Apparently Romney and other Republicans also boycotted Obama's inauguration, apparently for the specific purpose of planning obstruction to anything he was going to do. Still trying to hunt down specifics though, but it hardly seems they are doing anything surprising.
It is quite ridiculous. It seems that despite political correctness advancements, it would still be impossible for an atheist (that is, anyone who is not terminally insane yapping about jebus and imaginary sky fairies) to become president in the USA.
With this attitude, you're probably right. Yes, I'm one of the handful of Christians that frequent Slashdot; there are indeed a handful of us. If you don't share the same set of beliefs as I do, that is absolutely you're right. If you are unhappy that there aren't more atheists in government, I completely understand that (to an extent, I'd even agree). If you're going to be insulting and degrading in the process, then you're going to find sympathy pretty hard to come by.
Lets get this straight, people: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD!
I disagree. I also know that I cannot empirically prove my stance, and thus cannot and will not fault you from arriving at a different conclusion. Telling me what I should believe, however, is the very behavior your post seems to find unacceptable.
One has to be pretty drooling stupid to believe in that child-molesting garbage
Yes, the Christian/Catholic church has had issues with this in the past, and I do not for a moment defend them. However, molesting children is far from a core tenet of the belief system, and millions upon millions of Christians manage to go through life, pursuing their faith, and are successful in doing so without molesting children. Moreover, a spiritual belief system need not be a direct reflection upon intelligence. A successful heart surgeon who has gotten a Ph.D. is, in all likelihood, a pretty intelligent person. If they also happen to believe in Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, or an faith derived from a tribe of Indigenous Americans, that doesn't mean they aren't intelligent or that I wouldn't let them operate on me if I needed open heart surgery, only that they do not share my faith.
yet in front of the people who are supposed to be running this country they have these retarded blathering idiots going on about their magic sky daddies and friends.
1. So don't watch it? Or DVR it and fast forward the religious leaders?
2. For what it's worth, I'm of the persuasion that this is far more a matter of pandering than an intent to set the course for the country. If the majority of people who voted for the winner were another group, there probably would have been people pandering to them instead.
It is one thing to make a president swear on some 2000 year old book of BS because tradition. But there no excuse for the rest. None at all.
See above.
As an atheist it reminds me that I am not represented and that people would still be happy to come at me with their torches and pitchforks.
Has anybody threatened your life on the sole basis of your faith? If not, are you honestly of the persuasion that the only reason people have not done so is because it's illegal? There's some credibility to the point that there are few (if any) atheists in Congress, but would you vote for somebody on the sole basis that they share your views regarding God (or a lack thereof), even if your views were opposite on foreign policy, NSA wiretapping, gun legslation, health care, economic changes, the educational system, and other things that they would actually be responsible to address and legislate?
So small in fact that the Trump twitter account has been caught using a picture from Obama's 2009 inauguration to publicize Trump's swearing in.
Oops.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Two years.
Yes I know the math on the Senate isn't good in two years. But the 'gridlock' voters are a strong 20%. Watch the house swing.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
To be clear, I don't believe he is any of those things, except perhaps in the most extreme interpretation of each adjective. However, various media sources tried really hard to paint him as anything bad they could possibly hope to get to stick.
They went back in time and managed to divert Helios 685, but it didn't eliminate time travel or the fucked up future.
What a poisonous thing to say.
The problem with you is not your philosophy, it is your attitude.
Let's rephrase the argument:
I despise modern art. I find it to be utter, utter crap. Blobs of color that a 3 year old could paint if they had no taste. However, there are people willing to waste literally millions of dollars on it. There are two approaches I can take to this.
One, I can not go to Modern Art galleries, not purchase modern art, and generally avoid it. This is called "consumer choice" and is the mature approach to the situation.
Or, two, I can go to galleries, berate people to their faces and call them morons, throw feces and urine on their most respected pieces of "art", and petition the government to remove all modern art from all government places, and sue if they won't comply. This is called, "Douche-baggery" and is the choice you and many other atheists and atheist groups have made.
If anyone gets in your face, it's because of your attitude.
Yes, there are a lot of deluded people in the world, but pointing out their delusion does not endear you to them. Don't believe me? Try pointing out to a group of programmers which editor is better, vi or emacs, spaces or tabs, or C++ vs. Java.
And, by the way, the biggest delusion anyone has is that they know the absolute truth and are totally right in any situation, on any social topic.
Life, the Universe, and Everything... in my image.
Having helped elect Trump, I hope you get everything you asked for, you certainly deserve everything you get.
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once
If you're going to split hairs, the USA is a constitutional republic.
Pure democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on 'what's for dinner', it doesn't work. Needs hard limits on the power of the majority.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
No, I think Palestine should have taken the Two State solution offered by Israel a few years ago, but refused and went on a rampage over it.
The problem is, you think that Palestine wants a two state solution, and they don't. It has been offered, repeatedly, and they keep refusing.
And I wonder why you don't mention the Palestinians "Illegally" launching rockets into Israel. Or the time that Israel pulled its settlements out of Gaza, only to have them turned into rocket launching sites. I'm talking functioning industry and farms being walked away from and turning back into desert because ... Palestinians don't want anything the Jews had built.
Palestinians are functionally incapably of peace at this time.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
If he moves the US embassy to Jerusalem, expect a shit storm in the Middle East.
Yes, it would be terrible to disturb the calm.
Both candidates are untrustworthy liars in the pockets of the rich. Hillary's inauguration would also be a cause for despair.
I try not to post these things in safe spaces.
Perhaps you should not be outside of yours.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
I'm not defending the Palestinians, I'm saying that the illegal settlements give Hamas all the ammunition it needs to continue it's atrocities.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Married to someone not related.
3 Children. 30, 22, 18.
All doing well. None need safe spaces, all are self sufficient.
I did my job correctly. Perhaps you should take your welfare children back to their safe space till they can pop out welfare babies of their own.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
The United States is three times the size of India.
If you're talking about population. India is by far the world's largest democracy. If you're talking about land size. Canada is the world's largest democracy. (unless you consider Russia democratic- then it is). If you're talking about weight of the average person then... yes... in that scenario, the US is the largest democracy.
Actually, your last point is technically wrong. Mexico is. So now we don't even have that one :/
Make America Great(er in mass) again!
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
The US lately is the sheep telling to two wolves that they have to become vegan.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
It's interesting to me that he used Lincoln's bible. Up until the Obama administration no one had used that Bible for inauguration, Obama was the first after Lincoln to use it. I guess this is yet another example of Trump and his family idolizing Obama in private while playing to crowd in public.
I hear this argument every election. "I don't mind political opponents, but this time it's just too far."
Yet it always turns out that the speaker is simply trying to rationalize his/her dislike of political opponents, and does not want to admit it to himself/herself.
But, if you are to dislike some group, Trump supporters are an easy choice. I don't care so much about all the stuff you said (alot of it was overblown by media), but rather that it took about 14 seconds to realize that Trump was full of shit and about as trustworthy as Putin or Baghdad Bob. Anyone that believes that guy after having listened to him for more than 1 minute has more than earned the ridicule.
So, what you're really saying is that FDR was a NAZI?
"In the future, everyone will be a Nazi for 15 minutes."
- Albert Einstein (or was it Abraham Lincon? I get their quotes mixed up)
I am hoping many.
Crying is good too.
Wishing other people's death's seems pretty strong. Are you having a bad day? Do you need a hug?
By GDP is a reasonable standard.. although in terms of labeling values, I would say he is the President of the Country with the Worlds Largest Economy.. vs. Democracy. But GDP is a fine standard.
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What do you expect them to do that they aren't already doing?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I'm guessing since Republicans kept winning more seats, that the public WANTED them to oppose things Obama was doing.
Yes. ONLY Israel supports a two-state solution. The Palestinian authorities support the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews. The Arab world as well. And much of Europe.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
It touched him right in the no-no spot
I seem to remember shortly after Obama was inaugurated that Republican members of congress made it their goal to make him a failed president, opposed him in every action, voted against anything he supported and basically did everything in their power to oppose anything and everything he tried to do. It's interesting that those same republicans and their supporters now get their panties in a wad when the shoe is on the other foot.
It's all fine and dandy to want cooperation and working together but that requires that both sides do it. The republican's made it clear that this divided government thing is the way things will run in the future. It's up to them to fix that by going across the aisle and working with democrats not steam rolling them.
So you're telling us that in the under three hours since he became president, he has accepted money, presents, offices, or titles from a foreign leader?
Hamas needs no such excuses.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG! That was a joke right? Wait... you were SERIOUS?!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THATS EVEN MORE HILARIOUS!!!!
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Yea, I'll be sure to do that :P
Also there is no such thing as an afterlife or an "immoral soul."
Excuse me for stating what should be completely obvious.
There is a reason America has opposed anything but a two-state solution. If Israel truly embarks on this path and is supported by America they will create a true apartheid state. People without citizenship in the nation they live in, separate and unequal systems of government and police action.
If Trump allows Israel to annex the west bank without making every Palestinian Israeli citizens he'll be responsible for the creation of a new apartheid state. The world would react very badly to this turn of events and it would likely spiral into war.
Are you talking about Hillary or the President, I didn't see anything that one did that the other didn't?
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America just said. "Hold my beer and watch this!"
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
Romney held no office, and did not mount any noticeable obstruction attempts or any sort.
Did you just include his name randomly?
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
If any writers for Timeless are here, I will personally send you $100 if you end an episode with a star saying "Donald Trump is President?!?"
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Nobody does. Israel wants to de facto annex land by building settlements, and thinks that by doing so they'll get a better deal in the future than they do today. The Palestinians look at the demographic curves and think that waiting a generation they'll get a better deal than what's on offer now. America can't force people to make peace when nobody thinks today's the right time.
I think the next few years are gonna be pretty danged interesting.
Ferret
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
bollox - he was a devout catholic
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
It's not a judgement against you or them, but more of a classification of someone who is judgemental.
You have got to be joking, that was one of the more calculated tweets. He knew the press would react immediately to any criticism of anyone black. Except that Trump's criticism was accurate, so it actually weakened John Lewis (who was coasting on a history of civil rights support fifty some years ago until that point with no accountability for current inaction) and also made the press look stupid for fervently protesting against a valid point. Even black women in Atlanta (Lewis's district) agreed with Trump.
And you call that uncalculated... that tweet was carefully chosen in target to increase black support for Trump.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Slashdot says "Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!" - I don't know why but I'll split up the reply.
Yea right. And Timothy McVeigh wasn't a right wing Militia member that blew up a building and killed an entire daycare's worth of kids.
No-one has said they don't exist.
What he said was:
Because conservatives aren't as hateful and violent as liberals?
Which is correct.
This is the situation in the US:
source.
"Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database"
Latino: 42%
Extreme left wing: 24%
Jewish: 7%
Islamic: 6%
Communist: 5%
Others: 16%
There is non specifically for right-wing, I don't know what others include, maybe they consider right-wing the norm/need no title and all 16% is right-wing? Even if that was the case the extreme left with 24% is more.
Here in Sweden our security police used to regard the left-wing as the biggest threat and the ratio between them and the right was 9:1 or higher. Last time I saw it they mentioned Islamic threat instead. I assume the left may be a bigger threat to the democracy but Islamic a bigger threat when it comes to deadly violence.
Lameness filter encounter:
Oh, I easily found the problem. I had written "House N______" and that word was the problem. I don't see how a word can be a problem. What you express with it maybe.
Here in Sweden and I assume in many others places too the common picture is that national-socialists are the ones who risk destroying democracy through democracy / by being elected and who can cause fascism and dictatorships because that's the message they have been brought up with all along but back in reality it's those same people who are the real fascists, anti-democrats, racists and sexists who want to limit freedom of speech, don't respect democracy and elections, don't want people to have their vote, think that "he's a middle-class white male!" is a reason to ignore someones opinion / not let them speak / ignore whatever interest that person had. There people call immigrants who are pro actual freedom rather than their socialist dreams house n*, traitors of "their people" and like a few days ago our prime-minister commented about how one woman with immigrant background had expressed her opinion in some foreign magazine about Swedish immigration(?) politics and how that was damaging and it also happen that those same people claim that those who are against their political view are "traitors of the nation"... Sure they aren't fascists and anti-democratic and pro freedom .... Such great "liberal"s and "democrat"s.
by demonizing the other side. This dehumanizes them and allows you to make ridiculous statements like the above post
That's the default method to operate of the left.
The people in charge like it when you do this because it divides people and allows the people in charge to pit the people against each other to their own benefit.
The left all the time talk about how the other side turn people and groups against each other but of course they are the most active ones of doing so against anyone who don't share their socialist view of equal outcome.
Take your blinders off. All of them were assassination preventers. None more than Gore.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Only if they pay for the upgrades that were performed.
Nope, the US Constitution,20th Amendment, says that the term of the President end at noon and their successors start then. The swearing in is required before he executes any official duties.
For the rest it is just easier to quote the Constitution:
"If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified."
If both were to die then it the House would select an eligible person for President and the Senate the VP. Obama would not be eligible since he already served two terms.
First, fuck your own face for calling me an idiot, when you don't know anything about me.
Second, right now it is the left that is being divisive. That's not to say that the right hasn't had a whole shitload of time of their own to be at fault for this too - but to fix it, people need to fucking stop already. Both parties, and all of their respective sycophants.
That includes you. You are part of the problem, right now, with that fucking incendiary partisan post.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Except for the perpetually angry leftist blacks, the average reasonable black citizen agreed with Trump.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
As I understand it, Charles Manson believed himself to be part black and that somehow figured into his plans to initiate a race war.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
When Hillary gets a quarter million dollars from one Wall Street bank, another quarter million from another bank, and half a million from Time Warner, she depends on those donations. When Trump (worth $4.5 BILLION) gets $500, that's like you and I finding a nickel. He doesn't give a shit about $500.
I am not mad at people like you because Clinton lost. I am unconcerned that we have different politics. And I don’t think less of people like you because you vote one way and I vote another. I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him. I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country. I think less of people like you because you watched him equate a woman’s worth to her appearance and got on board. It isn’t your politics that I find repulsive. It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty. You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget. So, no people like you and I won’t be “coming together” to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn’t disgust people like you that will stick with me long after this election.
I'm surprised that you still get don't get this, but the election proved one thing that myself and others have suspected or claimed for years and people like you don't want to admit. The only "issue" that matters for the vast majority of Americans, and I'd put it at about 80% of the electorate, is whether there is a D or an R next to their name. Some of my old friends who are women could not possibly have cared less about anything bad that Trump did on the campaign trail but completely flipped out over both and real and imaginary things related to Hillary. Trump bragged about grabbing women in the crotch? No problem. But Hillary was tied, barely, to Benghazi where a grand total of 4 Americans died and this was the single biggest American foreign policy disaster ever. People really don't care much about anything except whether a candidate has a D or an R next to their name. Pretty much everything else is negotiable. Congressional races prove this every election. Most Congressional districts regardless of who holds them are no longer competitive for members of the other party. Most of the people who aren't party tied voted for Trump in this election because he told people what they wanted to hear - namely that they were victims of powers and forces beyond their control and only he could stand up to those powers. Given the monopoly the Democrats have had on victimhood it's kind of funny that Trump outflanked them on this.
If he gets the right price. Art of the deal baby !!
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Godwin FTW.
so how would you describe the jerking, arm-clutched-to-the-chest motion he was making when he mocked the guy? what was the significance of it?
it sure reminded me of how kids in elementary school would mock 'retards'
perhaps there is some other meaning behind the motion that I am not aware of?
Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.
Give me a fucking break. The Republican party has cornered the market on being petty and petulant.
The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.
Bzzt. Wrong. They aren't the problem.
I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him.
I don't believe you.
I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him.
1. [citation needed]
2. Islam isn't a race.
3. Illegal immigrants do not have a right to be in this country... by definition.
I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country.
If you mean that he would waterboard ISIS then I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for ISIS.
I think less of people like you because you watched him equate a woman’s worth to her appearance and got on board.
If your wife or girlfriend isn't fat and ugly then you may be a hypocrite.
If you think Hillary is better on this point-- considering that she enabled her husband's infamous behavior-- then you're a hypocrite.
It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty.
1. [citation needed]
2. argumentum ad nauseam
You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget.
1. He's not.
2. Just because someone directly challenges you or your opinions or ideas doesn't make them a bully. The internet isn't a safe space.
So, no people like you and I won’t be “coming together” to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn’t disgust people like you that will stick with me long after this election.
Virtue signal received; we're reading you loud and clear.
After the 2008 and 2012 GOP disasters (with GOP-assimilated McCain and Romney the Robot), I was hoping it would make the Republicans pull their heads out of their asses. Apparently not. Not only did they decide to double down on political stupidity, the Democrats decided to join them even more.
In the rust belt. Full stop. Young people, blacks and Latinos stayed home. If you doubt me 538 had a meticulously sourced article on the subject. Hilary was arrogant. She assumed no sane country would elect Trump. She was wrong, and we're all gonna pay for it. For God's sake people, vote in your mid terms.
Nate Silver is a smart guy, but he relies too much on the models and not the context or the assumptions.
The actual context is that Hillary lost the popular vote by a small margin, which means that *any* of about two dozen reasons could have flipped the election the other way.
It's like viewing a stack of books one inch higher than another stack, and saying that the reason is a specific book halfway up isn't big enough.
The reality is that Clinton could have done better in any one of : her political dealings during the election (getting debate answers, screwing Bernie supporters, superdelegates, and so on), her financing and backing (Moroccan meeting, Saudi donations, Soros), her image (not attending rallies and letting others do her campaigning for her, coming across as cold and unfeeling, "I feel your pain"), or her past actions (the server, her actions during Benghazi, Russian unfreeze, Clinton Foundation shenanigans).
It's hard to imagine Trump doing better in any of his several categories (meaning: there's nothing he could have done to mitigate).
Pretty-much any one of these would have upped her popular vote by the 1% she needed to beat Trump and win several more electoral colleges. The reliable polls pointed out that she had some 1024 ways to win, while Trump had only four.
538 isn't the oracle of prediction that everyone thinks it is. Nate's basic premise is that "past performance predicts future actions", which has been completely disproven this year.
So for example, Nate predicted that Trump's presidency would go down in flames early last year, predicted 80% chance Trump would lose the general election, and noted that Congressional endorsements are the best predictor of the primary candidate; meaning, Ted Cruse would win the primary.
538 is racking up a long list of failed predictions.
No, Washington DC. Did you forget what we're talking about?
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Oh, it works, if my discussions with friends who voted for Hillary are any measure. Every last one of them conceded Hillary's weaknesses, but insisted she was a better pick than misogynistic, homophobic, racist Trump. And I can't really blame them for that opinion based on how much the media drilled that impression in. But while I agree that there are people who voted for the Great Pumpkin specifically because of the exaggerated and hysterical rhetoric used by the media, I think Hillary's defeat primarily came from her campaign's smugness about victory. The final weeks before the election, the message was consistently "Hillary's got this one, and Trump doesn't stand a chance." What hubris! What stupidity! That basically told all her supporters that it wasn't critical they get out and vote, while telling Trump's just how desperate the situation was. But then, Hillary's campaign was a series of mismanaged debacles.
Errrrr, Trump was spouting the "I'm going to win, just wait and see!" line much more than she was. I mean, you don't remember his constant Twitter posts raving about how wrong the polls are and how he was destined for victory? I don't mean to come off as aggressive, but I have to say I strongly disagree, that was... trumpeted... out by both parties. And if I may, many of those articles about her were written by newspapers with the evidence we had, whereas he personally engaged on his tirade with no evidence. I mean, I'm just saying...
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Obama had 85% approval. Trump doesn't have half of that.
The US lately is the sheep telling to two wolves that they have to become vegan.
Eh, I dunno. The story I hear is the sheep telling the two wolves that their diet isn't long term sustainable with only one sheep left, and the two wolves ignore it. We're moving into the what comes next phase...
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Hillary's inauguration would also be a cause for despair.
What on earth are you basing that on? I have seen a lot of innuendo on her, but never anything more substantial than possibly a poor choice of email server.
So, two wrongs make a right and we should prove ourselves to be just as immature as the other political party? Prove that the DNC is better than that, and you will have more possibility of winning the next election, probe that you are just as bad, and lose yet again.
If it was wrong for the RNC to not work with Obama, how can it be right to not work with Trump?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So rather than rely on several polls of thousands of people you suggest we talk to some people we run into during our day. You say that provides you with a better estimation of the beliefs of the world at large.
And you don't think you live in a bubble?
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
Why do you think that the people who made those posts then aren't the same rabid trump supporters we see now?
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
. Trump has not expressed any racist statements; he expressed negative views of some illegal immigrants.
Of the top of my head, I remember Trump saying "Where is my African American?". Maybe that doesn't sound racist to you, but it sure does to a lot of people. Also, you seem to forget how he stated that the judge couldn't be fair in the Trump University case, because he was a Mexican. I'm sure there are more examples. His rhetoric was very racist at times. There is a reason white nationalists love him.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of immoral souls
On the war crimes comment, I'm sure the person was referring to the time Trump said that killing the terrorists themselves wasn't enough. He would instruct the military to kill the families of terrorists too.
And both Canada and Russia are larger than the United States geographically. I guess that would make one of them the largest democratic nation in the world if we were to go by geographic size. But we don't, not when we talk about "largest democracy." People vote, rocks don't.
Hey, Canada has rocks AND trees.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
https://www.washingtonpost.com... This is illegal as well.
It's "A Game of Podiums"
Let me guess. Your children hate you.
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I am sure you doubted he could win the electoral college and be president. Most folks did. Where as I, touted repeatedly that if the Democrat party cheated Bernie out of the nomination, the result would be a Trump presidency.
So I don't put much stock in your doubts.
Why stop there? Just give all of North America back to the Native Americans.
so how would you describe the jerking, arm-clutched-to-the-chest motion he was making when he mocked the guy?
It's the same exact shit he does when he mocks any other person.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
You're arguing two things.
1. Is the system rigged, and setup to enable the party orgs. Absolutely. Should it be changed. Absolutely.
2. But that's not what all of you are saying, you're saying that despite him overcoming the challenges of being an outsider to win the Republican nomination. Despite him winning the electoral college when facing a conglomerate of media that were not only actively campaigning for Hillary, but were passing debate questions and strategizing with her election team....that despite him winning inside that corrupt and unjust system. The mere fact, the system is broken and rigged is being used to de-legitimize him.
Yes, the system is rigged, broken, and corrupt. Winning in spite of all that is damn impressive. But if you're going to say the fact that said system is broken makes Trump's election illegitimate. Than it would have also made Hillary's win illegitimate, and all of our recent presidents were illegitimate. In which case, your barking about only one election winner is rather hypocritical. Thus, your argument for Trump's illegitimacy and removal is null.
Why? The embassy in other countries are in their capitals, why would we not have an embassy in the capital of an ally?
Should we tell all the middle eastern countries that they need to move their embassies to New York or LA?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Well, it cost a lot lot lot less than what the Democrats spent pushing Hillary.
And while that may not be a majority of Americans. Trust me, right now the Republicans view it as a mandate. I mean, they've got the Presidency, Senate, House, soon to have SCOTUS, and the majority of governorships.
Worse, the Democrats, never envisioning they could decline, had enacted several policy changes to their immediate benefit, such as anti-filibuster procedures. Having now lost their momentum, these changes now place them in a far tougher position.
Walks into union shops and factories and exclaims...
"If they move your jobs out of America. I'll make it costly for them to bring those products back into America's borders."
Oops...a big chunk just switched. This is EXACTLY what Trump did in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
No, I think Palestine should have taken the Two State solution offered by Israel a few years ago, but refused and went on a rampage over it.
The problem is, you think that Palestine wants a two state solution, and they don't. It has been offered, repeatedly, and they keep refusing.
And I wonder why you don't mention the Palestinians "Illegally" launching rockets into Israel. Or the time that Israel pulled its settlements out of Gaza, only to have them turned into rocket launching sites. I'm talking functioning industry and farms being walked away from and turning back into desert because ... Palestinians don't want anything the Jews had built.
Palestinians are functionally incapably of peace at this time.
How do you expect the Palestinians to be capable of peace while Israel is actively stealing land from ordinary Palestinians and giving it to Jewish Settlers?
Committing indefensible outrages against a population is an excellent way to turn that population to violence.
Israel is pursuing exactly the policy you'd expect they the leaders really wanted to kill the two-state solution with a bit of deniability.
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I'm not going to defend her. She is a creature of big finance and big business. She is a power broker and doesn't hesitate to lie if she thinks it will be to her advantage.
On the other hand, she is extremely intelligent, hard-working, and has vast experience on both the national and international stages.
Dear God, just on the basis of not starting a global thermonuclear war, I don't see how anyone could prefer Donald Trump as the leader of the mightiest country the planet has ever seen.
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who feels this way.
The stupidest calf chooses his own butcher...
I was amazed that the "Deeply Held Religious Beliefs" Crowd voted as a block for this being. :)
Guess those must not have been Too deep...
Grab the popcorn, this is going to be an interesting few years. :)
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
While I am concerned about conservative, anti-gay justices being nominated to the Supreme Court, under Trump (especially while the GOP controls all of congress), I don't think the Supreme Court will repeal gay marriage. One particular Executive Order from President Obama, states that the federal government and its contractors cannot fire and employee because of his or her sexual orientation. This affects me, because the company I work for, is a government contractor and follows this order. If the Trump administration repeals this order (along with many others they have threatened to repeal), I could be fired for being openly gay.
Right after the election, the governor of my state talked to Mike Pence, who basically stated that our state shouldn't expect any more federal help with Medicaid. The company I work for, partially relies on Medicaid payments. While I'm not likely to get fired because of this, I likely will not receive much (if any) in the way of pay raises.
So, does a Trump administration directly affect me? Absolutely. Don't even get me started about my non-white partner.
It is going to be a rough 4 years (if he lasts that long).
You don't become a trump fan because you hate killary or vise versa.
North America is now entirely ruled unqualified morons. We have Justin, who has proven to be a completely idiot, in Canada, the son of one of the worst Prime-minsters in history and now the US has Trump.
She's thoroughly in the pockets of the mega wealthy and would have carried on crapping on ordinary people. http://bigstory.ap.org/article...
For those that don't know what that is, here is the entirety of the text of that clause
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Trump is NOT in violation of this clause. And it is a hillarious claim coming from anyone that voted for Hillary, who would have been actually in violation of this clause, with the Clinton Foundation.
Whether Trump is in violation is debatable just because it's so hard to figure out what a proper violation would be.
But Hillary didn't accept gifts from foreign states, her foundation did (which did not personally profit her).
Also, I believe she said she would shut down the foundation (or at least drastically curtailed it) as every President who has significant outside interests has done, other than Trump.
If Trump wants to be President he has to sell his company. I'm sorry if he'll become slightly less rich as a result, if he wasn't prepared to do the job he shouldn't have run.
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It's not quite the same thing. Republicans used the political process as it was intended, rather than run out in the streets protesting and rioting, and punching democrats in the head. I'd say what the Republicans did is what the country wanted... or they wouldn't have been gaining seats in congress the last 6 years. If Obama and the Democrats are what Americans wanted, why don't Democrats hold the majority in congress and Clinton get sworn in today?
Even worse, they are trying to pretend like Trump is not even president which is something Republicans never did to Obama. Republicans in congress largely treated him with respect as due the presidency. Wishing to block policies and laws they don't agree with is what they were elected to do, not to be petulant children and pretend the person who got elected, didn't get elected.
You tell them. We anonymous cowards are not afraid anymore.
Such eloquence...
Unfortunately, rebuttals to your post betray the thoroughness of Trump supporters' thinking.
Both of those are false, "fake news". Trump mocked the disabled man the same way he mocked able-bodied men and women.
Even if that were true (and not just a repetition of DT's gaslighting), you somehow think that makes him a worthwhile human?
Trump has not expressed any racist statements; he expressed negative views of some illegal immigrants.
Again, you seem to have taken his gaslighting as religious gospel.
Correct. But those settlements give Hamas a veneer of righteousness on a global scale. They can point at Israel, and say 'see, Israel is continuing to gobble up our territory. so we fight'. And while those settlements would probably not make a difference either way, the fact is that Israel is occupying their territory and providing Hamas with a reasonable justification that is not deniable.
Significantly better weather too. They, along with many other Latin American countries are discussing legalization of marijuana, if they also legalize cocaine, that would eliminate a lot (all?) of the narco-violence and turn the country back into the oasis it can be.
Only I can judge you.
Back in November there was a poll of over 100, million people you seem exceptionally willing to discount it.
Then there was that poll about whether or not the UK should remain in the EU
Then there was that poll in Italy.
It seems the polls that actually matter don't go your way.
It's the crowd of Hillary and Barak who believe in a diversity of voices as long as those voices stay within strict racial stereotypes and norms. Otherwise you get called things like Uncle Tom.
How is atheism a religion? Be specific here. What creed is there? What rituals?
I'm an atheist, and I am an atheist because I simply lack belief in God, or by extension in gods. A lack of belief in something is now somehow a belief?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Welcome to the age of Fake News Nation, where #PresidentTweety McTrumpy is president-for-life for all the winners in the clash of civilizations.
You know? The one where civilization lost.
A couple of predictions:
(1) He will provoke China, hoping for them to invade North Korea. Won't he be surprised when they take South Korea and Taiwan, too? Make China GREAT again!
(2) If he isn't Bill-Cosby-ed out of office RSN, then he'll dump Pence for VP Ivanka! All in the Family, you know. Putin has already endorsed this one, though he's planning to marry Trump's other daughter.
(3) Iran will continue growing into the power vacuum in the Middle East. Look for YUGE deals with Russia and China!
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Well Hillary does maintain a public and private position, so there's that.
you didn't answer the question at all.
it may be the same way he mocks able-bodied folks, but WHY does he do it in that particular manner? If not to mock the particular physical disability that some folks have? (including the reporter in question)
it seems pretty clear that the jerking, arm-clutched-to-the-chest motion is the same thing that elementary school kids do to make fun of disabled people. surely you aren't claiming it to be purely coincidental that he chose that very specific physical action.
if your argument is that he mocks able-bodied and disabled folks in the same way, by pretending they all have a physical disability of the arm and hand that causes muscle spasms, then you aren't really helping the case.
Old and degraded! Starting too soon to a country near you!
It's the horror comedy mystery western movie "Forward into the Past" starring #PresidentTweety as Jason the 13th pushing America down the rabbit hole to meet Puppetmaker Pinocchio Putin on the quiet eastern front! You'll laugh yourself sick, as you watch the Fabulous Four Oranges of Wrath dancing in the monsoon while they sing their worst hit "The Winter, Fall, Summer, and Autumn of our Discontent." Winner of the Oscar, Emmy, and Tony bloody red badges of avarice for supremely hackneyed cultural references in 8 dimensions!
Don't you wish you could wait for it to never begin?
My allergic Trumpitis is highly acute and inflamed this morning!
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Committing indefensible outrages against a population is an excellent way to turn that population to violence.
So what would that make rocket attacks, firing mortars at a apartment complexes and playgrounds ?
was being burned on the National Mall today....
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>Give me a fucking break. The Republican party has cornered the market on being petty and petulant.
They have? I guess they forced President Obama to tell them to "get in the back of the bus" and they locked themselves out of committee rooms. I guess they used reconciliation to pass a bill with zero input from the GOP, just so we can "find out what was in it". And I guess they passed the nuclear option, too?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Citation, please.
Certainly yes, Trump, like anyone, would tend to feel more friendly toward someone who offered him some small token.
Which is different from being dependent on a bank that gave Hillary (and other career politicians) hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To be entirely honest, I think that historians will look back and see that this election marked the beginning of the decline of the American Empire
I disagree. In the not-too-distant future which resembles The Walking Dead, there won't be any historians.
In the short term, maybe. But I won't rule out that we can get a "better deal" than what we have now when the war finally plays out.
However, I do think it unlikely that we'll get a sufficiently better deal to compensate for what's lost during the battle. It's like winning a physical war only to realize half your population is dead.
If T is such a great negotiator, why are there still about 500 people richER than him, most of whom don't claim they have super-human negotiating skills.
Table-ized A.I.
Let me preface this by saying I voted against Trump, twice.
Yes, Trump's companies have mortgages on the buildings. Which is why he's not worth $25 billion or whatever, just $4.5 billion (Forbes 2016).
I'd much rather someone own a building that has mortgage payments than be owned by lobbyists. Just sayin.
Word of God: Biff Tannen in Back to the Future II was modeled on 1980's Donald Trump.
I can't wait for the White House to be decorated in gold and tigerstripe / leopard print, with vulgar paintings of what seems to be B-movie characters. Oh wait, the Obama's style wasn't too far off, all that red and gold French Provincial Whorehouse Rococo like some african dictator.
So.. is this 2017-A now? Oh well whatever.. bring it.. 2016 was an absolute disaster for me, I think from here things can only go up.. i hope...
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Googled that for you: https://www.google.com/search?...
The Palestinians already had all the ammunition they needed. Fighting against Israel was pretty much a day one thing since the founding of it.
We're talking about EGO. We outweigh everyone else added together.
Did you not notice???
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
>"If you're talking about land size. Canada is the world's largest democracy. (unless you consider Russia democratic- then it is)."
Perhaps you should talk about reasonably HABITABLE land size. Probably 2/3rds or more of Canada are areas where people would not want to settle/live. Same thing with Russia.
I mean, sure, we would have to throw out Alaska, but Canada would have to throw out all the NorthWest Territories, Yukon, Nunavut, and a good portion of the tops of most of the lower provinces. Look at a graphical population density map and a huge percent (almost all) of Canada's population is all just above the border of the USA.
But then I realized it was 100% accurate.
Kudos.
English is awesome.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Trump cares what some people think of him.
FTFY
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Apparently Romney and other Republicans also boycotted Obama's inauguration, apparently for the specific purpose of planning obstruction to anything he was going to do. Still trying to hunt down specifics though, but it hardly seems they are doing anything surprising.
I don't know about Romney, but let's say he boycotted. Rick Perry is the only other Republican I can verify as having boycotted (Obama's 1st inaguration). Neither he nor Romney were sitting members of Congress at the time; I'm not clear on how they could implement the obstruction you mentioned.
> if being courageous means acting like hill-dog supporters this last election cycle.
what a disaster that person was. Bernie could have won in a landslide.
Good to know.
The solution, of course, is to not carry out his orders if he does order such things.
But that's a bridge that should be crossed if we ever get to it.
In the mean-time I'm unconcerned.
Don't get me wrong, I dislike Trump and would rather have had someone else, but my guy got beat in the primaries.
Exactly what shit was she proposing to start?
The quote you're relying on is super weak:
As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses.
"Military responses" can mean anything. The military has cyber-warfare capability, so a "military response" could simply be hacking them back. Supposedly, the email hacks were by the Russian _military_ intelligence service, in which case Clinton was proposing a military response to a military action. That's pretty reasonable. Do you seriously think she was planning a conventional military response to cyberattacks?
I don't see the evidence that she tried to *start* shit. I see an excellent case that she tried to *respond* to shit, and maybe it wouldn't be a good response (no way of knowing now), but not responding makes you a more appealing target.
I might add that the current president is also threatening to "start shit with an ICBM and submarine possessing nuclear power". After all, on an international stage, the amount of people for whom shit can get ruined, and the degree to which it can get ruined, is too horrifying to allow him a chance to do so. Don't sleep too easy.
First off, "fake news" doesn't mean what you're using it to mean here. Editorial, spin, distortion, or misinterpretation of real events to score political points is not "fake news". Deliberately making up complete fabrications out of whole cloth, knowing (on the part of the creator) that they are fake, and trying to get other people to believe it, is what "fake news" means.
Second, I'd like to see an example of Trump mocking an able-bodied person in the same way as he mocked the disabled person in question. (It seems plausible that he maybe does 'retard hands' like that as a way of mocking people in general, which still is not great on his part, but I'd like to know for the record whether that's really the case or not).
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
So anybody who ever criticizes or ridicules anything even once and a while has a bad attitude? By your logic nobody should ever say anything to point out problems. Enjoy your unchanging world where nothing ever improves because nobody is allowed to report problems.
Well so much for their narrative that the Democrats are the "better people". What was that GP said about hypocrisy?
Oh yeah,
... the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions.
I think he's saying that Trump does 'retard hands' as a way of mocking people in general, not specifically this one disabled person. Which would seem plausibly in character for him, though not especially better than doing it just in this one case. I've asked GP to provide an example to confirm if that is true.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Trump is just the first person on the right who found a way to fight back in a long, long time.
Justify this statement.
Another appearance of umbrage related to #PresidentTweety?
As in TUSAD (Trump-Umbrage Stress Anxiety Disorder)?
I will be SO disappointed if he actually starts acting presidential because they finally manage to take away his Twitter account.
Then again, his handlers may have to do it when he provokes China into invading Taiwan. The so-called Republicans will have to insist on SOMETHING in exchange for not impeaching him, right?
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Both of those are false, "fake news". Trump mocked the disabled man the same way he mocked able-bodied men and women.
So he mocked able-bodied men and women's able-bodiedness? Please, provide evidence of this. Sounds like fake news to me.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
So, two wrongs make a right and we should prove ourselves to be just as immature as the other political party? Prove that the DNC is better than that, and you will have more possibility of winning the next election, probe that you are just as bad, and lose yet again.
If it was wrong for the RNC to not work with Obama, how can it be right to not work with Trump?
Hey, don't ask me. I'm a Libertarian that thinks that the current political polarization of the US is the greatest threat to our country. I'm just stating it as what seems to be a factual observation or perhaps laconic humor at best.
The thing is, Hebert Elionzo Mountain dew Commacho knew he wasn't that smart and sought advice from the smartest guy he could find.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Their most ardent supporters (and most others) neither require nor expect any such veneer. So many in the world support the goal of extending Jews, and Hamas is merely one of the tools to that end.
Any justification of limiting Israel in both keeping territory gained in the defense of their nation and on selling that land only serves their enemies, those committed not merely to defeating Israel but exterminating Jews worldwide.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
What? The sheep have actually been gaining in income (1%) while the wolves aren't allowed to take with both hands (bene sucking parasites).
The middle class are getting squeezed, but that's about globalizm.
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Well good job you decided to skip the middle man and simply elected one of the mega wealthy with a strong track record in crapping on ordinary people.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
How is atheism a religion? Be specific here. What creed is there? What rituals?
The ritual where we sacrifice babies to the almighty dark lord Athé, of course.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Gorram Slashdot.
That was meant to be Athe, but with an accent on the e.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Trump grab comment was made before he hit the campaign trail.
No, he picks something to mock that will unsettle the person the most, of course.
I'm not an American and I certainly wasn't defending Trump if you look at the whole thread. They both look terrible for different reason was my point.
From Hillbots and other right-wing democrats. The only way they are "left" is being the left hand of the status quo, while the right hand talks shit about "illegal" immigrants. It's all designed to keep those who work for a living divided, so the rich can go on fucking every one over. It should have been a clue during the Democratic primary, where Hillbots were smearing Bernie Sanders and his supporters as white privileged know-nothings who were insensitive on race at best, while being a bunch of Bro misogynists.
This despite Hillary having a much more bigoted history than Trump - discrimination against gays, called black and brown kids Superpredators, wanted to throw refugee kids back to the military junta (that she supported) to "send a message to their parents".
The provlem with that line of reasoning is that the main reason that Israel is so good at creating settlements is because the Palestinians can't be bothered to.
You mean the guy who was totally born in Kenya and thus not eligible to be president?
So how many Republicans in power actually said he wasn't a legitimate president? How many made it a point to boycott his inauguration?
Nazis breathe air. You breathe air. Therefore you are a Nazi. Until you expand your reasoning as to why both circumstances being the same is also wrong, that is all your assertion amounts to.
After the shit show of the last election. Sure, Hilary had baggage. And the right wing press spent the last 20 years vilifying her to the point that a simple insecure email server of the type everybody in Washington ran (see:Colin Powell) helped sink her campaign. But she still shoulda beat Trump senseless. I'm guessing her and her supporters will get tossed out on their asses after a failure of this magnitude. This is defeat from the jaws of victory.
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You guys used to have techies and sysadmins in your forums. Now all I see are a bunch of code monkeys and lactating SJW's that think NAZ| means National Capitalist Non-Union Party. How far you have fallen. Just scrap it and start over. You Left of Lenin dipsh|ts are contributing nothing to the World.
Trump, love him or hate him, does what he believes is right, what he believes is in the best interest of this country. He doesn't make his decisions after consulting the special interests and self-appointed leadership of the conservative movement
Trump said he would abolish the TPP on day one of his presidency. This can be the test to see if he is true to his word.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
> On trade, what if trade-wars start and it becomes clear after a while those wars are hurting our economy? Will he back down, or double down?
We've seen in the campaign, he doesn't tend to back down.
> And what will he do if Russia invades more territory? If he keeps ignoring it, we may get Soviet Union 2.0. Those were scary days with too many close calls; we don't want them back.
Same - he doesn't back down.
In some situations, this tendency to double-down rather than back down could lead to some "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" moments. (That was considered very inflammatory by foreign policy people at the time). It may also result in "Mr. Pieto, pay for this wall!", which would be a facepalm.
If your wife or girlfriend isn't fat and ugly then you may be a hypocrite.
Would you believe that there are actually some people (some of them who are men even) who think women can have value beyond being wives or girlfriends?
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
Hate to go grammar nazi on your insightful comment, but your typos are so consistent I'm convinced you're using some wonky kind of speech recognition software. A simple search and replace would've fixed s/.ould of/&ould have/
Good comment and I'd give you the 5th insightful point if I ever got a mod.
You didn't mention the detail that he doesn't even have the guts to put his name on his dump. The abuse of anonymity has become part of the sickness of our Internet-centric society. Personal reputation matters, but not to ACs or #PresidentTweety.
There's an interesting philosophic debate about why bad things happen to good people, but no one has to ask why good things happen to bad people. They are using their badness to get the good things.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
by a yuuuuge margin let me tell ya.
I wish I had the guts to tell this kind of thing to people's face.
Instead, I've perfected the art of biting my own tongue for the sake of peace. But I seek solace in the fact that it doesn't matter, you can't change other people's fundamental belief structure. If they're backwards cultural apologists, or backwards themselves, that's just who they are. Instead, I think what we should be doing is motivating our own people to vote - not just every 4 years, but in midterms and off-year elections too.
An emolument is a payment of any type, not just a gift. The President can not rent out their home or hotel, or receive any gift, bond, or form of equity from any foreign head of state or member of a foreign government. There's a good reason for this. It prevents overt corruption. Wouldn't it be simple for a foreign head of state to rent a Trump hotel room at $100,000 / night for a few months straight? Wouldn't that produce a motivation for Trump to favor that foreign government? Do you think that is proper and appropriate?
You should recall that Bill Clinton was NOT the President when he gave a paid speech. He gave paid speeches AFTER he finished his terms. The same is true for Hillary. She gave paid speeches AFTER she was Secretary of State. You could argue that it was not appropriate for Hillary to do that and then run for President. But it wasn't unconstitutional. It *IS* against the constitution for President Trump to do it.
So gerrymandered... it's hard to see, really...
I still think that tag line is clever. I'm just curious what orange will look like when it rains?
yes, a mexican fighting for illegal immigrants, which trump opposed.
no way would he be un biased.
The greatest right given is the right to be wrong...
That's because you've only seen the ones where a black man is running or a creature like Trump.
I don't think the OP thought that everyone who disagrees with him is a nazi. I suspect he simply realizes you just handed your presidency over to the biggest internet troll in history.
Trump is the president that 48% of Americans deserve. Unfortunately, 100% of Americans will (already are) feeling the effects. Racial and gender prejudices inflamed, fear mongering, and a total disregard for consequences.
Dear Mexico;
Let's not wait for Trump. Let's you and I build the walls ourselves. I'm pretty sure once we get started the rest of the world will chip in and help too. Maybe, just maybe, if we can build it in time we can contain this lunacy before it gets out.
Sincerely,
Canada.
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@xevioso It's a good quote, but you should provide attribution.
We've crossed that bridge already. He has spooks under his command that will carry out such orders even if the military will not.
You do not appear to know much about him but I think you'll be learning quite a lot in the next few years and especially why the USA is a Republic and not a Kingdom which is the way Trump wants to run things.
The "prosperity gosphel" merchants in the temple keep on telling themselves that they have "Deeply Held Religious Beliefs" and they'd see someone as rich as Trump says he is as virtually the Messiah (when he's really just a very naughty boy that never grew up).
However the "God wants you to vote Republican" shit is just as sick and twisted as if it was the opposite. The founding fathers took a lot of care to make sure there wasn't a state religion - if you want that shit go to fucking Iran and see how it works out there.
Mocking the diabled: Video, 45 seconds long: http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2...
Trump racism: Let's start with 1973 charges of discrimination in housing, then work forward to 2016 where he said the Central Park Five should go to jail DESPITE DNA evidence exonerating them, with all sorts of gems along the way. http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/... Oh... and then there's the famous quote about Mexicans. And suggesting a blanket ban on Muslims as a category.
Advocating for war crimes: March 2016, defending ordering the US military to commit war crimes of killing non-combatants that are family members of those in combat http://www.washingtontimes.com... Also advocates for waterboarding and worse in several interviews and speeches.
Regarding treatment of women: Ah, the famous "grab them by the pussy" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Even black women in Atlanta (Lewis's district) agreed with Trump.
Uh -- correction: that link is to a story involving ONE black woman, who apparently was already a Trump supporter before this week.
And you call that uncalculated... that tweet was carefully chosen in target to increase black support for Trump.
And you have a poll or something to support that? No -- you have an anecdote from one black person who was already a Trump supporter. (So, even for this ONE person, there's no evidence cited of "increased black support.")
Now: what you say MIGHT be true of a few black voters, particularly local folks in the Congressman's district who are fed up with him. But there are people in every Congressional district in the country who are fed up with their Congressman. Outside of Atlanta, I'm pretty certain that all most liberal or moderate people (white or black) saw was a rich white dude attacking a Civil Rights Era hero on MLK day.
Thus, even IF your narrative is true and indicative of some minor loss of support for Lewis in his district, it's pretty certain that the tweet likely incited even more hatred among blacks against Trump for those outside of the district and unfamiliar with Lewis's record.
The extreme right wingers infesting parts of Israel's government at this time would use that excuse if they see a Palestinian breathing. Not dead thus incapable of peace. That's the sort of really fucked up people you are defending, the ones where it's OK to break every deal offered with an air strike - preferably just in time for an election.
Trump is making slashdot great again!
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
But did you vote for him in the general election? That's the problem most of us on the left have -- your guy lost in the primary, but most Republicans didn't switch to Clinton. If Romney or Jeb were the nominee, we on the left would be unhappy, but not panicked. Today's inaugural included a call for a loyalty pledge, and it was part of a broader theme that is quite literally terrifying. This isn't someone who is just putting in place different economic policies than I want or someone who disagrees with me on a given treaty or even whether we should go to war or not. Instead, Trump gave this speech... one that claims the richest nation on Earth with the most powerful military is somehow in terrible shape, one that announces that we are going to put ourselves first instead of trying to help the world come together as one. We've never been a humble nation, but we've tried to get beyond the arrogance of the 1950s where we thought we were better than everyone else. We tried desperately NOT to exercise extreme power when we became the only superpower after USSR collapsed. That policy went away today in favor of the USA trying to get the best in every situation instead of sharing our wealth with the rest of the world.
"From this moment on, it's going to be America First." "We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world -- but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first." "At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other." -- President Trump, Inaugural Address
Pretty fucking ineffective but it makes the Saudis and Iranians who paid for those old inaccurate Shah era rockets to be shipped over feel warm inside for contributing to the "struggle".
It is fucked up on many levels with not just a few utter pieces of shit on both sides but also outsiders egging things on.
Reality is a lot of sheep and a few wolves. The wolves fare better in every system other than a democracy. Where "might makes right" you get wolves in charge.
Was that dumbed down enough to match the really dumb quote you lifted from a rabid wolf who falsely attributed it to Franklin? Franklin spent a big chunk of his life pushing damned hard for a pure democracy.
Asking for a ban on Muslims isn't racism. It isn't a race, it's a religion.
I also add that it's a religion that wants to implement a global Caliphate under Sharia Law. Which is contrary to the US Constitution.
More News for Nerds, stuff that matters...
i am so very tired....
Wow -- you actually weren't even aware of that comment? And yet you came to this detailed defense of him here?
See -- here's the problem: it's not any one thing. It's a "preponderance of the evidence" thing. And I am far from a "leftist" -- I hate both major parties with a passion and found both major candidates this election to be some of the worst choices EVER.
But Trump is simply in a "different league" of problems. That's why people assume he made fun of a disabled guy. I've seen the Catholics for Trump propaganda before. Maybe it's true. But there are other details about the specific references Trump made that also make me doubt his claim. Personally, I'd give Trump's story that he wasn't actually intentionally making fun of a disability about 5% chance of being true.
And that's mostly because of Trump's other record. He doesn't get to have "the benefit of the doubt" in a case like this when he's been a bullying boorish jerk the rest of the time. And yes, he DOES behave like a jerk. He DOES behave like a bully to many people IN PUBLIC. (I hear he's nice to people in person. That's great. But it's not the persona on the campaign trail.) I personally don't care much about the disability issue -- the very fact that Trump tends to make fun of people rather than debate their issues is a MUCH bigger problem to me than whether or not he insulted a disabled person. (The latter obviously is still a significant issue if true, but again, it's the larger pattern that's concerning, rather than that one detail.)
It seems like you, like many people who ultimately voted for Trump, just decided that you're going to believe the talking points of his supporters that the rest of the media was lying. I fully believe a lot of the mainstream media also exaggerated a bunch of things too (though, to be fair, Trump frequently egged them into doing so by behaving increasingly outlandish to get attention).
I really am trying to give our new President a chance today. Really. I'll wait and see what he does over the next weeks and months. But it distresses me when someone who comes out so strongly as a Trump defender is then not even familiar with the fact that Trump has advocated war crimes!! To me, it shows how warped the message has gotten to many voters. (And yes, it occurs on both sides, but the disconnect from reality has started to increase significantly much more on one of them.)
You're only partially right. His call was for a ban from those from specific countries, and that means there's nearly 100% overlap between "Muslim" and "Arab", enough to properly put this on the list as "racist" in my book. But let's grant that technicality to you. It is still negatively stereotyping an entire group of people by the actions of a few, so it is hardly a redeeming value.
No, actually, that's a tenet of a specific branch of Islam, not the religion as a whole. Yes, it is mentioned in the Koran, but using that as the basis for the ban would be akin to suggesting that all Jews want to implement the Jewish dietary laws across the USA or that all Christians favor stoning for adultery. As with all religions, not all Muslims are such fundamentalists.
Then they would have done it, as the regional superpower.
Pure zionist dumbfuckery. Reality: almost none of the Jews living in Israel were living there in 1948, or descended from those who were. They're all immigrants from other countries, making Israel a racist colonialist apartheid state from Day 1. Israel would never have seen the light of day without land theft and ethnic cleansing.
So your defence of Trump is basically, "Trump is not a racist! He may hate people for the country they were born in, the country they reside in, the sex they were born as, the gender they identify as, the colour of their skin, their race, the religion they practice, their culture, their physical appearance, their physical disabilities... but he is definitely not a porn star!"
Wow, what a swell guy, no wonder you voted for him!
Take it up with the Israeli government - they're the ones who created Hamas, to weaken support for Fatah.
Spare us the zionist horseshit. It has nothing to do with Israelis being Jews, and everything with being a colonialist state based on immigrants stealing land from people who have lived there for centuries.
Both the 1948 and 1967 wars were started by Israel. By your logic, if Egypt was typed off about the IDF's sneak attack and the Arab response crushed the state of Israel, they would have been perfectly justified in claiming all of Israel and expelling all Israelis.
Why not. They are the victims of colonialism, land theft, ethnic cleansing and apartheid.
Bullshit revisionist history of Biblical proportions. Palestinians are legally entitled to all of the territory taken by Israel in the 1967, which was started by Israel - save the Golan Heights, which belongs to Syria. That includes Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which has been under a constant blockade by the Israeli government. Still, they were willing to make massive concessions they didn't have to - but Israel kept moving the goalposts, demanding control over water and making increasingly absurd demands.
Don't you know - she uses email! Lock her up!
Sadly that's seen as enough for these partisan pricks who would not even care if Trump was outed as a kiddie fucker.
So you decided to cut out the person in the middle and go directly to the living personification of everything negative about the mega wealthy?
Damn - should have read your post instead of posting something almost identical.
I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him.
I don't believe you.
Then I have a bridge to sell you because the fact he was mocking the disability is really, really, really obvious.
Just because you like Trump doesn't mean you need to defend every obvious lie he makes.
I stole this Sig
Trump mocked the disabled man the same way he mocked able-bodied men and women.
Trump mocked a disabled reporter in a way that mimicked his disability. That is an undisputed fact. The only disputed part is whether or not he did it deliberately.
Trump has not expressed any racist statements;
Leaving the birther conspiracy aside for one moment (which is probably the most obvious example of racism on Trump's part)...
"If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say."
- Trump on Khizr Khan
"He’s a Mexican. We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe."
- Trump on Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who is presiding over the Trump University class action. (And if you don't think that counts as racist... "Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment." - Paul Ryan)
"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."
- Quoted by John O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino
The Palestinians are the Nazis then.
The fact that he uses such a mockery of being 'retarded' against anyone regardless if they're disabled is appalling in and of itself. Again, this is the action of a grade school bully.
The fact that he couldn't restrain himself in doing that to mock someone who is disabled (whom he had met in the past so knew he was disabled) is pathetic. The fact that people ignored this (and everything else) and voted for him anyway is just saddening and frankly unforgivable.
Not for some time. Certainly not since Trump has been campaigning for president.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
No, Nazis are a specific brand of racial and religious supremacy. And you can say that Trump is a bad person without saying he's a Nazi (he'd be a really bad one, seeing as how his daughter converted to Judaism).
So... are you saying he's just a regular, garden variety Fascist, or perhaps just falls into the despot group in general.
Because his first acts were to start putting his friend and family into positions of power... which is something I expect to see in a 3rd world dictatorship, not on the so-called bastion of the free world.
And I suspect that is just the beginning of the comparisons we'll be making between Trump and tin pot dictators.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Ignoring the continued commitment of Arabs in the Middle East (worldwide, actually) to exterminate Jews certainly makes it easier to blame Israel exclusively. Even in 1948 the Arab world would have annihilated the Jewish populations in all middle eastern regions.
The creation of the modern Jewish state has been bloody. But when I consider the Arab treatment of those in Palestine, that is the great tragedy.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
"But Hillary" isn't an answer. We were doomed by the primaries. Neither candidate should have made it into the general election.
Using one as an excuse for the other ignores the role of both parties in placing terrible candidates on the ballot.
We need a better voting system, one which focuses on who you want in office instead of who you hate the most.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
there's this thing called "power" or "authority" that makes people feel helpless to resist.
like say when you billionaire boss walks up and just grabs you.
not screaming or slapping him because youre afraid for your job is not consent.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Go on to Jonesville if you wish.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Unfortunately we don't know how long it took Camacho to come to realize his intellectual deficit and recruit someone smarter. Our real-life-Camacho has honestly convinced himself that he is of super-genius level of intellect and is highly unlikely to reach the same conclusion any time soon.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
-I don't care what you believe.
-Citation provided.
-since race is an artificial construct anyway, it's as good a word as any to describe bigotry against a distinct cultural ethnic group a more concise term is coined
-debatable; migration rights are largely seen as a basic human right. and they still have rights under the constitution, particularly in the area of due process, the constitution being a document that describes not just the relation between the government and citizen, but more accurately the government and any person subject to its authority.
-torture is a war crime
-so is retaliatory executions, even the uber-conservative and generally delusional Washington times agrees
-so is the targeting of families
-your views on women, looks, and what constitutes hypocrisy don't even merit a response. but I will say, you should start by looking up the definition of hypocrisy
-citation already provided
-Yes he is, though I can see how its hard for you to see, when you willfully ignore and dismiss everything he's done, as you have in the above mentioned topics.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
"I know Hitler says a lot of things.
But he probably doesn't mean them.
I'll worry about his anti-Semitic comments when we get to that bridge.
The solution, of course, is to not carry out his orders if he does order such things.........."
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
you're an idiot.
How is it fake if you admit that he mocked the disabled reporter?
And he didn't mock like "like he did able bodied" people.
We went into a pantomime of the mans disability.
Yes, he mocked a man with disabilities.
As for the racism...yes, he's racist:
He has said and done racist things, and gone so far as to blatantly appeal to the white nationalist movement (AKA, Nazis and kkk)
https://slashdot.org/comments....
A short and very incomplete list of completely racist things Trump has said or done:
-"theres one of my blacks"
-"mexico is sending us rapists"
-"laziness is a trait in blacks"
-"the judge is a Mexican"
-"they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”
-supports stop-and-frisk, as practiced by the NYPD (ie, unconstitutional and racially discriminatory), and wants it expanded nationwide, claiming it worked, contrary to all evidence
-Obama's birth certificate
-condoned the abuse and even beatings of multiple Black Lives Matter protesters and other minorities at his campaign rallies
-regularly engages in anti-Semitism
-treats his minority supporters as literal tokens
-treats minorities and racial groups as monolithic stereotypes
-thinks all African americans live in the inner city, are poor, without work, receiving welfare, and uneducated, and that the inner city is a hell hole
-saying 88% of white murders are committed by black folks
-repeating statements from white supremacists multiple occasions
-making blatant dog whistles to the alt-right, white supremacist crowd
-not condemning or distancing from white supremacists campaigning for him, including David Duke
-encouraged mob justice against the Central Park 5, and continues to insist they are guilty years after its proven otherwise, including spending 85k$ on full page ads in the paper advocating for their execution
-being sued by the federal government on multiple occasions for not renting to minorities
Hell, even when he claims to be trying to reach out, he's doing so in white communities and actually only repeating racist myths and stereotypes that are meant to appeal to white voters and make them feel better about voting for such overt racist.
His sons kept appearing on white supremacist radio programs..."accidentally".
Once may be an accident. Twice, you need to fire your booking agent. four times and counting? its no longer accidental or someone else's fault.
Donald Trump IS racist, regardless of the efforts of the ignorant to ignore it or explain it away.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
As the president of the largest democratic nation on Earth
what's india got to do with this?
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Pretty accurate, but the list should also include Bush Jr, especially the second election.
Heh, I guess some things really were better in the old days.
Perhaps that is why God had Peter record in First Peter
not that there isn't a lot of other good stuff in the rest of the chapter.
if you're for inclusion and tolerance, wtf would you support the opposite of those things?
tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Amen.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
JFC you're an idiot.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
When a guy blows up the economy and leaves, and his successor has to put it back together....how is it that the first guy escapes the blame for it?
also, what country with a failing economy are you in?
cause here in the US of A, the economy isn't failing by any measure.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Citations please? Yea, I didn't think so. You just didn't like him so you're grabbing onto anything to support your view. Even if it's total BS.
You held onto Hillary even though she's a traitor (The e-mail server problem is a violation of the Espionage act, so she's a traitor), she's saw to it when she was secretary of state to sell uranium to the Russians - https://www.nytimes.com/2015/0... . She's corrupt as hell with her "foundation" that's reminiscent of Evita Perone, the fascist dictator's wife.... and so on and so on and so on. You'll overlook everything just as people overlooked Hitler's flaws. Very few differences between Hitler and Hillary when you get right down to it.
So racism? Example?
Sexism? Example?
Cruelty? Example?
There are none, even though Hillary's campaign tried even to buy people to say he was sexist. One by one we showed they were simply paid actors. Good actors. They fooled you. Soros had a lot to lose after all. He lost billions when she lost. He spent billions on her winning so he could make a trillion. You're what he calls - "a useful idiot." Not being a troll here, they actually think that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Sounds like you don't know that the only people more full of shit than right wing SJW democrats are heterosexual christians who think the world is out to get them.
What part of "it has nothing to do with them being Jews" was a hard concept? It could have been Freemasons following the same colonialist project and the results are the same.
See above.
Translation: the Arab states should have taken in millions of Palestinians being ethnically cleansed from their lands, so Israel wouldn't have to bother with this whole Apartheid system. Zionism is based on racism and bullshit excuses.
Pretty fucking ineffective but it makes the Saudis and Iranians who paid for those old inaccurate Shah era rockets to be shipped over feel warm inside for contributing to the "struggle".
It is fucked up on many levels with not just a few utter pieces of shit on both sides but also outsiders egging things on.
Seeing as Israel spends large amounts dealing with these :ineffective attacks", calling them ineffective sounds like wishful thinking on your part, or perhaps failure to understand the goal.
Bernie could have won in a landslide...
Don't kid yourself. If the democrats had fielded a banana with a smiley face drawn on it, we would now have a fruity president.
Believe what you like, when Trump gains 10% more of the black vote in the next election you will understand...
That story was about just one woman, but she's just an example of many.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Greatest, or at least just about in the top thirty on most benchmarks of living standards!
I'm saying he's certainly an authoritarian, but not a Nazi. That's it.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
That comes nowhere near reflecting everything that went on and you know it.
There is zero indication that anyone considering themselves "Palestinians" lived there. So if you want to play that game...
How does it not have anything with them being Jews? Are you deliberately ignoring the plain language of the Arab states and Hamas?
If you cannot accept that, it is you who is deluded.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Keep it up. Moron. Keep thinking this is about (some group) doing something nasty to (some other group) because they can get away with it because of the new President.
It ain't about social groups, not at all.
Its about economic groups.
Its about business people that believe, that because of the new president they will be able to keep their small business in business. Its about the working group that believes that becuase of the new president, they will be able to find a good job turning wrenches and running backhoes and welding pipelines rather than stocking shelves. Its about that same latter group believing that because of the new president they will not have 50 illegal aliens show up to take that job at less than minimum wage under the table so that staying home on unemployment or "disability" is still more profitable than taking such a job.
Its like Bill Clinton's 1st campaign slogan, "Its the economy, stupid."
So that makes you the idiot.
Er, what supposedly went down anything like that. I haven't heard anything remotely like people being forced out of their homes. And you do realize you redundantly said force twice. Idiot.
Citation needed.
Seems like you've been misinformed: https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
For such people of "tolerance", the leftists seem to express it in a violent, intolerant, and [somewhat] inconsistent way.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
There being agreements that Palestinians not seek unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state is something that neither of them should have agreed to. This has recently come to my attention. That's not how achieving nationhood should work.
I'm calling them ineffective because they are actively harming the Palestinian cause, providing an excuse for retalatory airstrikes and the psychos who launch those old missiles don't even get the bloodthirsty satisfaction of killing people.
As for those "large amounts", it comes out of US military aid and helps reinforce the aid supply (which is not going to be cut off as long as those rockets keep flying). "Defending against terrorist rockets" is a pretty damned good reason to help out another country and even isolationists are going to think twice about cutting off that aid.
Meanwhile our "friends" in Saudi Arabia are paying for these rockets.
Look overseas and it's not so ridiculous all the time either. The amount of utter hate in the last few elections in the USA has been exceptional. All those people who wanted to use the "N" word with Obama, Trump being Trump and Baby Bush after a few people started to work out that the Iraq war was nothing but a personal vanity project with a death toll. That's not normal in the US or anywhere. People said they hated Bill Clinton, but compared with Obama and Trump it was just annoyance.
Yes, if your sample regions are chosen because they are Democrat controlled and high crime areas then yes, all of a sudden it looks like a problem. If you don't cherry pick your data and include all major urban areas, which are Democrat controlled by a vast majority (even in red states), then all of a sudden your point is garbage.
Of course you can point to outliers, that doesnt make you insightful.
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
I'm calling them ineffective because they are actively harming the Palestinian cause, providing an excuse for retalatory airstrikes and the psychos who launch those old missiles don't even get the bloodthirsty satisfaction of killing people.
It would serve you well to at least google a topic before you pretend expertise.
As for those "large amounts", it comes out of US military aid and helps reinforce the aid supply (which is not going to be cut off as long as those rockets keep flying). "Defending against terrorist rockets" is a pretty damned good reason to help out another country and even isolationists are going to think twice about cutting off that aid.
Meanwhile our "friends" in Saudi Arabia are paying for these rockets.
Yes because the U.S. needed rocket attacks to provide aid to Israel and the aid will stop if the rockets stop.
Hasn't stopped you before Crash and perhaps you should try try it on this one.
This is like talking to an Eliza bot - you've gone and told me I am not correct about something but not pointed out what it is - utterly fucking useless. It's clearly just one of your stock insults.
I know a sentence there is long but getting to the end of it or at least the words "even isolationists" before replying is the polite thing to do. The rockets make it popular to oppose the idiots setting off rockets - thus counterproductive.
Hasn't stopped you before Crash and perhaps you should try try it on this one.
This is like talking to an Eliza bot - you've gone and told me I am not correct about something but not pointed out what it is - utterly fucking useless. It's clearly just one of your stock insults.
And yet you somehow haven't managed to correct your errors ? The rockets have killed Israelis and visitors to the country and they do serve a purpose.
The rockets make it popular to oppose the idiots setting off rockets - thus counterproductive
That would be the same rockets that according to you don't do anything.
Now why don't you at least crack the wikipedia on the history of modern Israel, you only need to go back to WWI. Hint start with the Balfour declaration. That way the next time you sound out on this, you can at least get the parameters of the conflict correct.
It's only propaganda if you routinely reject the evidence of your own senses.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
There are other examples. I assure you, it can be difficult to be a non-Christian in the US.
It's the same exact shit he does when he mocks any other person.
Yes. He likes to mock people by implying that they're disabled. Fake news? Fuck you, dude.
You and your ilk are branding anything inconvenient to you as "fake news", like the inauguration turnout. Fake news. Show picture taken from the front, not the back, that'll make my claim more legit! Because every glass looks full from below.
I can't tell if you're dishonest, or just a fucking moron.
Frankly, I don't give a damn. We have another 20-30 years of potential EC upsets before the demographics make a conservative victory impossible.
You have been watching the rubber stamping of his cabinet, yes? To use any phrase other than special interest, or conservative leadership's wet-dream to define any one of his selections would be a flat out misdirection if it contained any truth at all.
Back in November there was a poll of over 100, million people you seem exceptionally willing to discount it.
I... don't know where to start.
That poll had a pretty clear winner. It wasn't trump.
He may have won the election as a whole based upon America's goofy slavery-era electoral system, but he certainly didn't win any poll.
Why do people like you say such stupid shit? Are you truly so intellectually weak, or just highly manipulative? I wish I knew you in person, so I could really gauge your dysfunction.
Then there was that poll about whether or not the UK should remain in the EU
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? You think Brexiters are pro-Trump?
Brexit still has plurality support in polls in Britain, today.
You know who doesn't? Donald Trump. Let's see what they say...
Donald Trump will be a good president: 15%
Donald Trump will be a bad president: 53%
Donald Trump as president makes the world a safer place: 10%
Donald Trump as president makes the world a more dangerous place: 66%
Donald Trump's victory is a welcome disruption from 'politics as usual': 26%
Donald Trump's victory sets a dangerous precedent for future elections: 58%
Can you just tell me why you're so full of shit? Did your parents teach you nothing of integrity? Have you bullshit your entire way through life?
Sorry man, Israel has deserved that vote result for a long time. We stood alone in shielding them from it, and not because we're noble creatures, but because you second-coming fuckwits have a hard-on for the Jews legitimately possessing Jerusalem, even though the Arabs have far more claim to it, so your fucked up end-times prophecy can come true.
You don't hate Jews because you think the Israeli regime is totally fucked up. You don't have to support their fucking illegal settlement building in order to support them and their right to exist.
One of Obama's last acts was to *finally* earn an iota of respect back from the rest of the world by acknowledging that the Israelis are breaking the fucking UN mandate, and hence international law, after decades of preventing that declaration from coming to a vote.
Ah yes, if you're not with them, no matter how atrocious their behavior, you're for their extermination.
Seriously, go jump in a fucking wood chipper.
And furthermore, if not for the US, the UNSC would have voted to go spank their asses back behind the line, Yugoslavia style, a long time ago.
Wait, what?
You know what happened after Britain withdrew from their mandate, right?
Now I'm not saying it wasn't a 2-sided fight... it was. But the victors of that fight ethnically cleansed an entire population of people under the auspice that they weren't even a fucking people.
That fucking *happened*. Quit trying to rewrite history to justify your horse-shit narrative.
From Wikipedia /a;
"The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories"
" It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."
"The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[6] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam" - to be fair, this IS Islam.
"In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."[14] Hamas has moved away from its charter since it decided to run candidates for office." - which could lead us to question if anything Hamas stated can be reliable.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
For a goofy slavery era system it worked pretty damn well.
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
Or do you think illegal aliens should get a vote ?
Also, you should actually watch the videos where he actually fails to say anything about any race, religion or ethnicity.
Reading is fundamental. He said nothing bad about any group except illegal aliens, which decided to break our laws and overstay visas or illegally cross our borders.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
That wasn't what it was designed to do. You lie when you say that. Do you even care?
The system was designed so that the 3/5ths Compromise could be integrated into presidential elections. This was done because a vast majority of American economic power was in states that had comparatively tiny voting populations. James Madison said exactly as much at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention in 1788.
Or do you think illegal aliens should get a vote ?
You can claim that states with politics different than yours are letting illegals vote, and I can claim that states with politics different than mine disenfranchise millions of legal voters by closing down polling locations based on voting demographics. The difference between these 2 claims, is I can at least back mine up with some evidence.
I'm very sympathetic to Israel's defense issues. However, the fact that they are breaching multiple Geneva Conventions in occupied territory in violation of UNSC orders that would have gotten states full of people we had much less sympathy for invaded by a multinational military force gives them the status of an occupying oppressor, and lends credibility to those fighting them. Which sucks, because I *don't* think the people fighting them are good people, either. The UNSC needs to step in, spank the Israeli regime, spank Hamas, enforce the borders, and stick to the plan. Neither side is acting in truly good faith, neither side is being entirely flexible, but the Israelis are flouting international law like they're bigger than it. Like they weren't granted that land by a UN mandate. Like they didn't illegal seize land that was granted to another group of people under that same mandate. The little racist shits in the Knesset need to be knocked out of power in the manner that all racially cleansing bastards in the past have been. The territorial integrity of Israel and the right to self-determination and security of the Israelis within their defined borders needs also be protected. The Israelis have shown they're not grown up enough to handle the job.
that wasn't what it was designed to do. You lie when you say that. Do you even care?
I care that the education system failed you. That is specifically what the system was designed to do and the state in question was Virginia
I can claim that states with politics different than mine disenfranchise millions of legal voters by closing down polling locations based on voting demographics
That would be how the DNC gave Hillary the nomination ? Projecting your sins onto others I see.
Z^1
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
The 'wolves' in the current world are non-working parasites, voting themselves benes.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You realize that some of them died due to the conditions they were illegally (unconstitutionally) held under.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You did not point out what you see as an error Crash.
Disappointing. All you have is spamming and stock phrases. Why bother to comment at all?
It's very likely I've read more about that than you ever had before you were born, especially based on your criticism without foundation. My Scout leader was in the British Royal Navy at Suez so I've been interested in that issue for a very long time.
Admit it - you are just attempting to play the man instead of the ball just like last time are you not? The actual issue does not appear to matter to you, just someone to shout at.
Finally someone who will get at the history of the region instead of offering up nonsense statistics.
I see no need for Israelis to get off the land before the Palestinians declare they are a state any more than the Tories had to leave the United States or indeed the British forces in general before the United States declared itself independent of Britain. In fact, the legitimacy of the United States' claim to evict the British troops was strengthened by their decision to declare themselves independent.
Admit it - you are just attempting to play the man instead of the ball just like last time are you not? The actual issue does not appear to matter to you, just someone to shout at.
You did not point out what you see as an error Crash.
Disappointing. All you have is spamming and stock phrases. Why bother to comment at all?
Project much ?
Since you have been pretty forthcoming in another post about what you think happened, what is your play by play as to what happened. All I understand is that Israel was attacked and in a matter of weeks won and put in measures to make sure they were never attacked again.
Project? You were the spam boy Crash.
It's extremely telling that you wrote "google it" instead of suggesting I talk to someone who is actually from Israel, which it the way I formed my opinion in the first place. A bot may as well have just picked "google it" from a short list of stock phrases.
Perhaps instead of trivilizing this topic you apply your failures of the Turing Test to things that are less important.
So you're demanding that Palestinains get to demolish the homes of terrorist IDF personnel who murder and bomb Palestinians? You're demanding that Palestinians have the right to bomb anyone who looks like he might be an Israeli police officer on the grounds that he is a "militant"?
If zionists were held to zionist reasoning, Israel would have ceased to exist by 1950.
Then you're speaking on a subject on which you lack the barest, remedial knowledge.
You want to play grammar zionist nazi you might not want to leave a few words out of a sentence in the same post:
Pedant fail.
You were saying?
Germany isn't a race either, yet people still speak of Germans. Idiot.
Ah, another winger who thinks your lack of ability to go on oppressing people means you yourself are oppressed. Sorry you were dropped on the head as a child - early and often.
What part of "it could have been the Freemasons and the results would have been the same" are you having a hard time understanding? It has nothing nothing NOTHING to do with Israelis being Jews, and everything to do with them being immigrant racist imperialists. If you are a Palestinian and your family has farmed that olive garden since Charlemagne, you may be forced off your land by an immigrant who has a single Jewish grandparent from New Jersey, given free travel & a stipend plus other incentives to move to the country.
Israel created Hamas to undermine Fatah, take it up with them. And all the racist idiots prattling on about the Hamas Charter (which again was created by Israel) need to read the Likud Charter, which claims all the land to Jordan River. Land which is entirely Palestinian land under international law - including Jerusalem and the Right of Return.
I care that the education system failed you. That is specifically what the system was designed to do and the state in question was Virginia
"There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections." - July 19th, 1788 Philadelphia Constitutional Convention. James Madison's proposal for the creation of the elector system that ended up being accepted by the delegates.
Forgive my failed education, but why would Virginia worry about any state throwing the election, when the proposed rule gave them the largest collection of electoral votes in the union, in spite of having one of the smaller voting populations? You'll notice he clearly stated the reason for electors, and it wasn't about some state throwing the election.
You're inventing history. You're full of shit, disingenuous, and a piece of shit.
That would be how the DNC gave Hillary the nomination ? Projecting your sins onto others I see.
The DNC gave the nomination to the winner of the primaries and caucuses. Sure, the process was biased in her favor, but the raw vote spoke for itself as well. Again, you're a lying sack of shit, inventing history to spin your narrative. Alternative Facts? Fuck off, troll.
Project? You were the spam boy Crash.
Oh I see now, this you trying to get payback. Tsk Tsk
It's extremely telling that you wrote "google it" instead of suggesting I talk to someone who is actually from Israel,
Large Israeli population in Australia ? Now I am going to have to suggest you have google sampling methods and bias.
Perhaps instead of trivilizing this topic you apply your failures of the Turing Test to things that are less important.
Says the guy who talked to someone from Israel. Tell me is all your expertise of this quality ?
Forgive my failed education, but why would Virginia worry about any state throwing the election, when the proposed rule gave them the largest collection of electoral votes in the union, in spite of having one of the smaller voting populations? You'll notice he clearly stated the reason for electors, and it wasn't about some state throwing the election.
".The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States"
It's amazing you go and find the passage that explains the situation and then fail to comprehend what is being said because you have absolutely no knowledge of American history.. What's more you were even pointed at the exact cause and were unable to ask the question why it would be
Amazing.
The DNC gave the nomination to the winner of the primaries and caucuses. Sure, the process was biased in her favor
Here let me fix that for you
Liberal democrats cheat only for the greater, their shit doesn't stink
I would accuse of lying but from what I see you just don't have the intelligence to understand you're wrong. I guess a lifetime of participation prizes will do that to someone.
So everything is about you spamboy? If was so shallow as to try payback would it have been a mild comment on the topic that did not put you in any sort of bad light or even disagree with you?
Reality versus a google lookup? I prefer the former spamboy.
So everything is about you spamboy? If was so shallow as to try payback would it have been a mild comment on the topic that did not put you in any sort of bad light or even disagree with you?
Reality versus a google lookup? I prefer the former spamboy.
That's real good stuff you got there. Real persuasive, strikes home it does. I particularly enjoy the way you have marshaled facts in defense of your argument and then fleshed it out with chains of unassailable logic.
It's amazing you go and find the passage that explains the situation and then fail to comprehend what is being said because you have absolutely no knowledge of American history.. What's more you were even pointed at the exact cause and were unable to ask the question why it would be
What the fuck are you talking about?
Did you conveniently skip the "and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes"?
Where does corrupt votes from other states come in? The clear intent of the elector system was to give slave-holders electoral power for their slave holdings because they had less free-voting power than the northern states.
You clearly agree that's what he's saying, if I'm to take your most recent rant at face value, so now I ask,
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
Where did you get that from the above quote?
"Amazing"
Indeed.
Here let me fix that for you
Liberal democrats cheat only for the greater, their shit doesn't stink
You understand you just constructed a strawman, correct? You know damn well I never implied anything about the correctness of what the DNC did, only pointed out the non-factual nature of your claim. Of course you do. You're a fucking tool. Go burn some crosses, asshat.
Where does corrupt votes from other states come in? The clear intent of the elector system was to give slave-holders electoral power for their slave holdings because they had less free-voting power than the northern states.
https://web.viu.ca/davies/h320...
That's the population of the colonies. Now if you can pull your head out your rear you might notice Virginia had over 20% of the nations population by itself. When he was talking about states with diffuse populations he wasn't talking about the economically dominant and population dominant states like Virginia.
Speaking of Virginia not only was it the largest, and wealthiest state at the time, it also proposed the form of of the representative government, and the electoral college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... Gee if you knew a little history you might have figured out why I picked Virginia specifically.
You know damn well I never implied anything about the correctness of what the DNC did
Sure you didn't
The DNC gave the nomination to the winner of the primaries and caucuses. Sure, the process was biased in her favor, but the raw vote spoke for itself as well.
I mean hell all those people that didn't get to vote in primaries don't matter. The DNC sabotaging their own candidate completely irrelevant.. Nope nope those polls were accurate and unbiased.
Ironic since you just posted something with zero content. Just give it up spam boy if you are unable to address the topic.
Ironic since you just posted something with zero content. Just give it up spam boy if you are unable to address the topic.
::Looks up:: You are complaining about no content personal attacks ? What is this for you the 6th or 7th in a row ? Was it your obvious lack of knowledge of the topic that stopped you talking about it ? Come on why don't you try and salvage your expertise on Israel again. I am sure the world wants to know more about your scout master, or your valiant outreach to the Australian Israeli community.
Anyway I have had enough fun and you have taken this far too far offtopic and far to away from the site's rules. Since I have a modicum of politeness, unless you can actually say something relating to Trump's inauguration or his supposed to antisemitism, I'll leave this where it is. Have fun with the last word I am sure you will come up with something as humorous as the rest of your posts.
From your childish behaviour I would guess that he died thirty years before you were born.
From your spamming earlier full of utterly vile insults - no you clearly do not.
You did more than that in parallel when you decided to target me earlier.
That's a rather big stretch for determining largest country. Yeah, the US would have to throw out Alaska, Texas, most of the Midwest and half of Dixie... who would want to live in those places?
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Marry me.
So the Democrats were so happy to work with the Republicans during the Bush years... They played so nice, and showed him much respect. And then when Obama got elected, those evil Republicans didn't treat the Democrats the same way - and are responsible for divided government.
That's what you're trying to sell? Really? How stupid do you think people are?
Murphy was an optimist
That's the population of the colonies. Now if you can pull your head out your rear you might notice Virginia had over 20% of the nations population by itself. When he was talking about states with diffuse populations he wasn't talking about the economically dominant and population dominant states like Virginia.
Those are the raw populations, not the voting populations. But you knew that, didn't you.
Speaking of Virginia not only was it the largest, and wealthiest state at the time, it also proposed the form of of the representative government, and the electoral college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]. Gee if you knew a little history you might have figured out why I picked Virginia specifically.
It was the largest in terms of slave holding population, and white population, and one of the smallest in franchised population. But again, you knew that.
I'm well aware what the Virginia Plan is, why it was made, and how it has nothing to do with presidential elections. But again, *you knew that*.
The elector system was a system devised to graft the 3/5ths Compromise and the Virginia plan, and the resulting Connecticut Compromise into the election of the executive, which had absolutely *nothing* to do with preventing a large state from having undo influence in the election, but rather, the exact opposite. Its intention was to make sure that a state with a small voting population could have disproportionate sway in national politics, and it was able to be pushed through due to the economic power those states had. By your own links, you are in fact, full of shit.
I quote once more for humor,
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
[citation needed]
Your move, asshole.
I live in the county that won PA. We're the only county that removing changes the outcome.
Guess who came thru our area Trump. Guess who did not....Hillary.
I mean hell all those people that didn't get to vote in primaries don't matter. The DNC sabotaging their own candidate completely irrelevant.. Nope nope those polls were accurate and unbiased.
Irrelevant doesn't mean right. Are you even capable of making a rational argument, or do you seek only to succeed by reframing the others argument as something it was not?
It's so easy to walk you into a stupid argument. If you tried to exercise a little consistency, you'd do a lot better at this.
Let's recap-
You say the EC was created to prevent corrupt states from dominating an election. You then prove with your own links that it was not.
You attempt to frame my argument as an argument for illegals voting, which it clearly was not, to which I retort, that I can also claim that other states disenfranchised voters, states that gave their win to Trump.
You then say I endorse said practice due to the unsubstantiated claim that the DNC partook in the same affair (I don't really care if it did. If it did, it was wrong, but being it's a vote within a political party, it has 0 constitutional protection)
What you've done, in execution if not by intent, is attempted to legitimize the electoral win of Donald Trump by acknowledging that other states may have engaged in corrupt practices to elect him. But disenfranchising legal voters is apparently preferential to enfranchising illegal voters, by your argument. Perhaps a discussion for another day. You have literally done what you accused me of doing. Apparently it's your shit that doesn't stink.
I was beginning to think you were more intelligent than I gave you credit for, but you're not. You're just another Trumpian asshat trying to justify the loophole that he sailed into office on by reframing its purpose.
We're all waiting for you to go ahead and back up your fantasy with a touch of fact, alternative or otherwise. Right now you're just presenting us with inconsistent logic and dipshittery.
You do realize that's *exactly* how stereotypes form, right?
It's also exactly why special interest is so...interesting these days. The hysterical cries (or actions) of a few utterly dominate the perspective that everyone forms. People are more scared of terrorists than crossing the street.
For better or worse, that's largely how society seems to operate these days.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Neither candidate should have been in *politics*, much less the primaries, much less the general election.
We have a pretty good voting system. There are some other options but each has it's pros and cons. None has a clear advantage over the other in the large scale.
What we NEED is to separate corporate (and/or wealthy .1%-ers, but they're largely the same thing) interests from political decisions. Or at least not let them - quite literally in some cases - write our laws for us.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Making fun of someone is your biggest concern...oh, sorry, HOW he makes fun of someone is your biggest concern.
Perspective folks...
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
We have a pretty good voting system. There are some other options but each has it's pros and cons. None has a clear advantage over the other in the large scale.
This is wrong.
There are clear advantages of other voting systems over FPTP/plurality. Several criteria have been produced to compare voting systems (example comparisons here). Where criteria focus on specific (often worst-case) scenarios, voting simulations can help see the bigger picture. It can be shown that plurality necessarily devolves into a two-party system.
It is clear that plurality is a terrible system, even if there is no unanimous concensus on which replacement is the best.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Obama had 85% approval. Trump doesn't have half of that.
...because the Conservatives didn't throw a hissy fit when Obama won. They saw that it was important to get behind the President and move forward as a nation.
He mocked a reporter, not the disability of the reporter. I thought it was pretty obvious. Anyway, who gives a shit? Seriously, this is the best complaint you can come up with? If it is, then life in the US must be pretty sweet.
Since when did we start polling the rest of the world on who our leaders should be? I for one do not give a fuck what the rest of the world believes.
no, i've got plenty of other complaints too, this was just the one that the great-great-grandparent brought up.
It was the largest in terms of slave holding population, and white population, and one of the smallest in franchised population. But again, you knew that.
There aren't enough facepalms in the world. Seeing as you forgot what your were replying to.
For a goofy slavery era system it worked pretty damn well.
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
Going further on
I'm well aware what the Virginia Plan is, why it was made, and how it has nothing to do with presidential elections. But again, *you knew that*.
Nope you aren't
The Constitutional Convention in 1787 used the Virginia Plan as the basis for discussions, as the Virginia delegation had proposed it first. The Virginia Plan called for the Congress to elect the president.[15] Delegates from a majority of states agreed to this mode of election.[16] However, a committee formed to work out various details including the mode of election of the president, recommended instead the election be by a group of people apportioned among the states in the same numbers as their representatives in Congress (the formula for which had been resolved in lengthy debates resulting in the Connecticut Compromise and Three-Fifths Compromise), but chosen by each state "in such manner as its Legislature may direct." Committee member Gouverneur Morris explained the reasons for the change; among others, there were fears of "intrigue" if the president were chosen by a small group of men who met together regularly, as well as concerns for the independence of the president if he was elected by the Congress.[17]
Irrelevant doesn't mean right.
Because excluding people from voting against Hillary renders the poll valid.
Are you even capable of making a rational argument,
Your history is wrong, your reasoning is faulty and all you have is name calling. With opposition like you no wonder Trump won.
What race did he spout off about? Was it black people, white people or asians?
Learn the meaning of words, and you don't look so foolish. Also, you should actually watch the videos where he actually fails to say anything about any race, religion or ethnicity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This gets my vote for most inaccurate statement in a wikipedia article (and I'm sure there are plenty to choose from):
"In the United States, views of race that see racial groups as defined genetically are common in the biological sciences although controversial"
While it may be true that "views of race that see racial groups as defined genetically are common" among lay people and the uneducated, I would bet that you would have a hard time finding actual biologists with this view, and an even harder time finding geneticists. From a genetic perspective, the concept of race is meaningless.
Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
What are they?
well i've got this rash on my leg, and my toenails are way too thick
Yes, the sign of true wisdom is to never listen to what anyone else says.
If you don't agree with it, than please redefine it. I can only work in the definitions I am given. Race is a characteristic used for census forms, it is a clear word. Hispanic is a culture, not a race, as there are black hispanics (eg Dominicans), white hispanics (like Zimmerman), and native american hispanics (what many people think of as hispanics), so they are not a unified race, but a culture that originates in Europe, therefore is included in Anglo Saxon. As for biologists, they would point out that we are all one race, so I am not sure how that effects someone misusing the word racist, as what, are they racist against dogs or monkeys?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You do realize that in Israel, Muslims citizens have full rights, and there is no "apartheid". The only division are the Palestinians who kill anyone that even sides with Jews or Israel. There are no Jews in Palestine.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
There are plenty of Jews in Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
You have literally proven my point. ;)
We thank you
Your history is wrong, your reasoning is faulty and all you have is name calling. With opposition like you no wonder Trump won.
Sorry, it's not. You've proven that much with the information you've posted. You're just too fucking dim-witted to see it.
And no, chief. Fuckwits like you are why Trump won. All the name-calling in the world won't make an intelligent person vote for a demagogue whipping up a mob, only straight up fucking stupidity can do that.
I'm of course not painting everyone who voted for him with that brush, but the big ugly center of that population distribution bell curve- yes. Stupid fucking people. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. THAT is why he won. Oh, right- and because of that messed up electoral system that allows those people to have a slight boost to their representation so that some state a couple hundred years ago could get electoral clout for its non-voting population.
One last time, for one more fucking laugh-
It prevented one state from throwing the election with corrupt voting exactly as designed.
My calling the spade attach to a keyboard that which it is doesn't change the fact that you still couldn't cite a single piece of evidence to support your... "Alternative" interpretation of the US electoral system.
Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?
A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/...
Seriously whatever crackerjack box your education came from get a refund, if your still in school complain. Speaking of that
You really should stop talking because the more you do the more stupid comes out speaking of which
All the name-calling in the world won't make an intelligent person vote for a demagogue whipping up a mob, only straight up fucking stupidity can do that.
I was able to come up with half a dozen Nobel prize winners without even trying. Just to put that in perspective that's people who are all to the right of you, on the bell curve . Do you even try to think or does that blood soaked lard between your ears only work in play back mode ?
My calling the spade attach to a keyboard that which it is doesn't change the fact that you still couldn't cite a single piece of evidence to support your... "Alternative" interpretation of the US electoral system.
If you work at it you may yet achieve literacy.
You have literally proven my point. ;)
We thank you
If your proposition was that you are illiterate or just poorly educated then that is indeed a true statement.
hypocrites.
I distinctly recall near the end of the election during one of the debates where the question was basically "If the other person wins, will you accept it?"
Clinton said "Yes of course". Trump said "I'll wait to see the outcome".
After which all democrats the media etc... lost their minds.
As it turns out, perhaps he was just being more honest, as it sure seems like an awful lot of democrats don't really accept the outcome to me.
As for the protests, that's great, your rights and everything. It aways makes me wonder just how many of those people actually bothered to vote. Perhaps they should tie your right to protest to your obligation/duty to vote. I've always maintained that if you don't vote you waive your right to bitch and complain after the fact.
With regards to your specific reply, I think you sound kind of delusional to the point where a tailored response is not worth the effort. However, I recently composed the following somewhat applicable passage for another venue, so I'm including it below. My only direct response to your comment is that my first thought was "The manufacturing jobs are NOT coming back and it doesn't much matter (from a supply chain perspective) which country the newest manufacturing robots are located in." Now here's the imported response:
Some deep thinkers want to encourage other people to think more deeply. However, there are also deep thinkers who prefer other people to think less deeply, the better to manipulate and take advantage of those people.
The worst (and most dangerous) case is people who are shallow thinkers, but who think they are deep thinkers, and #PresidentTweety is one of those people. Trump is not at war with the media. He is at war with reality. Trump wants to create belief in a straw-man fake reality of horror and collapse so he can then claim improvements by tweaking the fake beliefs back towards reality.
At least Duterte killed (alleged) evildoers and Mussolini made the trains run on time! That's not the reality of America. (Well, actually the American trains aren't so reliable, but Trump's supporters in flyover country are the least likely to use trains.)
My favorite sig should make it obvious, but I'm on the side of more deep thinking. You have to think deeply to understand your free choices in a meaningful way and to understand the constraints and their sources. (That's why "freedom of speech" is so confusing to many people, because the "speech" may be opinions or lies just as freely as it may be true.)
So far my best effort at a constructive "solution" is the design of the deep-thinking cap, but it's yet another "morally neutral" tool. While I think I would use the cap to support more deep thinking, maybe I would just use it to sleep a lot. Some people might use it to listen to more loud and mindless music while ignoring other people, even though the cap could be used as a better communication device, too.
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#1 Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice{5} (Beer^4 | Speech | Trade)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Spreading your perverted fantasies around a bit these days, eh?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Are you a willfully ignorant racist or a sophist of Biblical proportions? Palestinians who aren't Israeli citizens have no right to vote, are denied access to Jewish-only roads throughout the occupied territories, have their land stolen without notice, and are subjected to a brutal blockade where the Israeli government openly speaks of collective punishment and putting the Palestinians "on a diet" - i.e. starve them just a little bit.
A blockade, by the way, was Israel's justification for starting the 1967 war, after their lies that they were attacked first fell apart. So by Israeli logic, Palestinian attacks in response to the blockade of the Gaza Strip are completely justified.
That's exactly what happened and I proved it to you. Do you believe that the United States was created because native americans decided to start a war with the native white population and the whites won? The level of willful ignorance is the same.
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Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.