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How Facebook Outs Sex Workers (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader shares a Gizmodo report: Leila has two identities, but Facebook is only supposed to know about one of them. Leila is a sex worker. She goes to great lengths to keep separate identities for ordinary life and for sex work, to avoid stigma, arrest, professional blowback, or clients who might be stalkers (or worse). Her "real identity" -- the public one, who lives in California, uses an academic email address, and posts about politics -- joined Facebook in 2011. Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all; for it, she uses a different email address, a different phone number, and a different name. Yet earlier this year, looking at Facebook's "People You May Know" recommendations, Leila (a name I'm using in place of either of the names she uses) was shocked to see some of her regular sex-work clients. Despite the fact that she'd only given Facebook information from her vanilla identity, the company had somehow discerned her real-world connection to these people -- and, even more horrifyingly, her account was potentially being presented to them as a friend suggestion too, outing her regular identity to them. Because Facebook insists on concealing the methods and data it uses to link one user to another, Leila is not able to find out how the network exposed her or take steps to prevent it from happening again. "We're living in an age where you can weaponize personal information against people"Kashmir Hill, the reporter who wrote the above story, a few weeks ago shared another similar incident.

635 comments

  1. And now skype by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    And now skype is doing the same thing and they don't see any problems with that.

    1. Re:And now skype by Teun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A good reason to move to Signal, it is free and does not sell your data.
      https://signal.org/

      --
      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    2. Re:And now skype by jonsmirl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It trivial for Facebook to link the identities, she is using the same IP address to log in for both of them. It is then reasonable for the Facebook algorithm to guess that people logging in from the same IP address are related somehow.

    3. Re:And now skype by fisted · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When I was going to install signal because of all the good things I heard about it, my phone presented me with a *massive* list of permissions the Signal app wants:
      - read sensitive log data
      - find accounts on the device
      - read your own contact card
      - modify your own contact card
      - read calendar events plus confidential information
      - add or modify calendar events and send email to guests without owners' knowledge
      - find accounts on the device
      - read your contacts
      - modify your contacts
      - approximate location (network-based)
      - precise location (GPS and network-based)
      - read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
      - receive text messages (MMS)
      - receive text messages (SMS)
      - send SMS messages
      - edit your text messages (SMS or MMS)
      - directly call phone numbers
      - directly call any phone numbers
      - modify phone state
      - reroute outgoing calls
      - read call log
      - read phone status and identity
      - write call log
      - read the contents of your USB storage
      - modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
      - read the contents of your USB storage
      - modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
      - take pictures and videos
      - record audio
      - view Wi-Fi connections
      - read phone status and identity
      - send WAP-PUSH-received broadcast
      - receive data from internet
      - view network connections
      - create accounts and set passwords
      - pair with Bluetooth devices
      - send sticky broadcast
      - change network connectivity
      - connect and disconnect from Wi-Fi
      - disable your screen lock
      - full network access
      - change your audio settings
      - read sync settings
      - run at startup
      - set wallpaper
      - use accounts on the device
      - control vibration
      - prevent device from sleeping
      - toggle sync on and off

      Needless to say, I backed out.

    4. Re:And now skype by fisted · · Score: 1

      (should've uniq(1)ed the list first, there are four dupes. So the real list is "only" 45 items long as opposed to the 49 I quoted.)

    5. Re:And now skype by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "It trivial for Facebook to link the identities, she is using the same IP address to log in for both of them. It is then reasonable for the Facebook algorithm to guess that people logging in from the same IP address are related somehow."

      Sharing the IP address with somebody doesn't mean they are related, it can also mean they share the same Internet Service Provider, they work in the same company, they sit in the same Starbucks, they use the same VPN, ....

    6. Re:And now skype by WankerWeasel · · Score: 2

      Very likely her clients had searched for her too. Often times Facebook will show you people who have searched for your profile, even if they haven't friended you.

    7. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all easy enough for an algorithm to figure out.

    8. Re: And now skype by rworne · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not only IP addresses.

      Facebook connected me with someone I had brief contact with from back in the late 1980â(TM)s and FIDO BBSâ(TM)s. Predating my time on the Internet, this was puzzling to me.

      It turned out I contacted them once via hotmail and that was it.

      Yet somehow Facebook has this information, and to this day continually lists them in the âoepeople you may knowâ section.

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    9. Re: And now skype by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It's much simpler than that. It's called location services. "I don't know them Facebook!" Really, because you spend time about once a week with them in the same hotel room.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    10. Re:And now skype by iamgnat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It trivial for Facebook to link the identities, she is using the same IP address to log in for both of them. It is then reasonable for the Facebook algorithm to guess that people logging in from the same IP address are related somehow.

      More likely the simple answer is that she was clueless about how deep their tentacles are and used the same browser without logging out of Facebook first. Thus since just about every website insists on haven't FB's "like" button somewhere on their page, FB gets the details to do the math.

      A smart person (can that be said of a Facebook user?) would at least go as far as using an entirely separate computer for business and personal stuff. Still not fool proof by any stretch, but every little bit helps.

    11. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      âoeHer sex-work identity is not on the social network at all; for it, she uses a different email address, a different phone number, and a different name.â

      If sheâ(TM)s not logging in to a different identity at all on Facebook, how?

    12. Re:And now skype by jonsmirl · · Score: 0

      It does not take a rocket scientist to see multiple pairs of logins from two different accounts usually coming from the same IP address and to then guess it is the same person or a couple. In either case, it is obvious for Facebook's algorithms to assume the two accounts are related.

      So many people ignore that fact that the IP address you logged in from is a very good way to track and associate your accounts. It is also how websites penetrate incognito mode.

    13. Re:And now skype by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 1

      It's not just IP. I've come across situations where "People you may know" were folks I was at the same event with that I don't know, work in the same industry with, or live nearby. Same has happened traveling to resorts in Mexico where I take my phone for emergency calls.

      Facebook's app asks for permission to GPS and cellular location info. If you're logged-in with that phone it probably syncs a location history. Just keeping your personal profile on a device means exposing that info.

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    14. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      There WASN'T two accounts-- she DID NOT HAVE an account for her professional work.

      Seriously, how hard is it to read a damn article before taking the know-it-all route.

    15. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I have to say is [matrix], signal and all of these others only solve part of this social media disease. Get off of ios and android, stop using google and the problems go away. Only use google through a proxy so they don't know who you are. If you want to help some people that are trying to make all of what I do easier then look at https://puri.sm, they are heading in the right direction but they are still along ways from making it a m$ and apple replacement. Good luck with this digital hell that exists today, it's only gonna get worse before it gets better.

    16. Re: And now skype by jonsmirl · · Score: 2

      Ad tracking networks will still link her if she is on the same IP address.

    17. Re:And now skype by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the summary(That you obviously didn't read), she only has a FB account that's linked to her real life identity.

      Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all

      There is no other account for FB to conclude is owned by the same person.

      Whatever is happening isn't what you think is.

      LK

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    18. Re:And now skype by lengel · · Score: 2

      It trivial for Facebook to link the identities, she is using the same IP address to log in for both of them. It is then reasonable for the Facebook algorithm to guess that people logging in from the same IP address are related somehow.

      More likely the simple answer is that she was clueless about how deep their tentacles are and used the same browser without logging out of Facebook first. Thus since just about every website insists on haven't FB's "like" button somewhere on their page, FB gets the details to do the math.

      A smart person (can that be said of a Facebook user?) would at least go as far as using an entirely separate computer for business and personal stuff. Still not fool proof by any stretch, but every little bit helps.

      She is in the sex industry. I have a feeling she knows exactly how deep tentacles can go.

    19. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still don't know how anyone on Slashdot hasn't come across the multiple methods used for tracking. I will list them again even though its just beating a dead horse:

      IP address
      Browser
      Cookies
      Machine fingerprint (audio, GPU, resolution etc..)
      Location Services (if on phone/GPS device)
      User behavior (how you scroll on a page/move mouse)
      Data sharing agreements
      Data collection (listening to Skype, reading gmail.)
      Semi-legal exploits (web-rtc, etc..)

      Here is the kicker: they combine all these sources.

      If you want two separate identities online here is how:
      1. Use different PC/hardware with different OS
      2. Use proxies
      3. Use VPN
      4. Patch all common exploits
      5. Never log in to anything personal on that PC or browse for same content.

    20. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... If it were the same IPv4 address I would agree with you, but if she uses only her phone to access Facebook then she very well could have the same IPv6 address all the time - and assuming that is the same person would be pretty reasonable.

    21. Re:And now skype by rpresser · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since the client code is open source, you could in theory hack up your own client that doesn't use any of that?

    22. Re:And now skype by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Holy shit. That's insane.

    23. Re:And now skype by rpresser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      John has exchanged email with leila_sexworker
      John's emails contain headers which include leila's IP address
      John lets Facebook see his emails
      There are several, perhaps many Johns
      Facebook sees that all these Johns have leila_sexworker in common
      Facebook sees leila's IP address and matches it with its own records
      Facebook sees leila_clean logging in to Facebook from the same IP address, repeatedly
      Facebook makes the connection

    24. Re: And now skype by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I've imported my contacts from various email services over the years and so has everyone else. And that stuff gets on your phone. And spreads to the next email service... and so on. Data leakage is almost inevitable -- even people who want to be careful often make mistakes. Seriously: just a couple weeks ago I found a journalist's full 1040 form on a doc sharing site. This was someone with an advanced degree from a prestigious institution who makes a living writing about things like doxing and they somehow managed to put one of their most private documents on a file sharing site.

      At least Facebook isn't as creepy as LinkedIn, what with all those notices about how many people are looking at my profile, but then NOT telling me who they are (or worse sometimes, telling me who they are). They seem to think I would actually pay money to reverse stalk people. If I didn't owe my current job to popping up on an old coworker's LinkedIn feed, I'd probably have deleted my account there. Again. Because back a few years ago, when it was revealed that they couldn't figure out how to store passwords safely and got cracked, I deleted my account immediately. Not to protect my data (too late!), but to simply not use the services of such an inept provider.

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    25. Re:And now skype by p4nther2004 · · Score: 1

      Same IP Address...and same MAC address....and same OS....and same...(yadda yadda yadda)

    26. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There WAS NO SECOND ACCOUNT. She never had an account for her business dealings, just a phone number (different) and an e-mail (different). Now I don't know if she ever accessed those things from a device with facebook installed, but there was no other facebook account to link to.

      My guess is that she posted an ad somewhere and viewed it from a device that facebook was bugging, er, had associated to her account. Then when clients viewed the ad, it linked them with her. Either that or location data tracking saw that they were in the same place at the same time. Creepy.

    27. Re: And now skype by BenFranske · · Score: 1

      Facebook is definitely doing this. I'm pretty sure Facebook knows I'm dating someone before I tell anyone about it. I start to see their stuff and name pop up substantially more in my news feed, even without any change in online interaction with them. Pretty sure that location services on both her phone and mine are showing us at the same locations at the same times and their algorithm is putting it all together.

    28. Re: And now skype by gsslay · · Score: 2

      This is the correct answer. Facebook sees you in the same location, (by network or GPS association) and therefore decides you might want to be friends.

      This wonderful piece of logic is exactly what you need to become better acquainted with that creepy guy who always seems to be hanging around your gym. Or the work colleague that you tolerate but certainly don't want to socialise with. Or your annoying neighbour. Or your stalker.

    29. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needles to say you need to stop using Android.

    30. Re:And now skype by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which begs the question - why does Facebook suggest 'people you might know' based on anything other than their being Facebook friends of your Facebook friends? And how would it hurt them to let you opt out of that?

      The weird thing is that, having put enough effort into this particularly creepy kind of 'connection', the actual 'search for people you know' functionality on Facebook is horrible. You can search by name - that's it. Useless for any kind of common name - and even when the person you're searching for shows up in the list, you can't narrow it down by searching on location or any other keywords, so if you don't recognize their photo, you're out of luck.

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    31. Re:And now skype by barbariccow · · Score: 2

      There's a few more things that go into fingerprinting. Unless she was using different VMs on different computers the algorithm I sold years ago to one of those evil advertising corporations would correlate.

      IP isn't as unique as you'd think. I've seem colleges have ONE public IP for all outbound data across campus, including all dorms. Start adding in other information your browser gives away like extensions and versions, user agent, screen resolution, mouse sensitivity, etc etc and you can narrow down to a single machine. If you have additional data like facebook does (every single page that includes a facebook button or comment section is used to profile you), you can even discern beyond machine to user-of-said-machine.

    32. Re:And now skype by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I bet it's even simpler than that. I bet she has Facebook on her phone, and I bet it's the same phone she uses to communicate with her clients. Facebook sees those contacts on her phone.

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    33. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Which begs the question

      No it doesn't.

    34. Re:And now skype by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      FB doesn't see her MAC address.

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      Every end has half a stick.
    35. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, it's not a question of two FB identities - there was contact bleed-over from her RL activities into her public FB identity. Probably, as so many have surmised, that FB is lying about location data collection, but the FB app itself could also be a culprit.

      There are probably some more methods out of the 100 that they won't divulge:

      If Bluetooth is on both devices and FB app has permissions it may turn it on occasionally to scan for other clients in proximity.

      FB may not only use wifi location services, but it may be able to map other clients connected to the same AP, or map clients using peer to peer features of Android, or use a stumbler to capture APs and clients.

      The FB app may be a horrible trangressor because no one except FB knows what is going on underneath. Seems like using the mobile website versions w/ enabled privacy settings or limited browser and VPN always running might be a possible fix, at least until you start getting PYMK from Benelux, Tokyo, and Helsinki.
       

    36. Re:And now skype by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And how does FB see my email headers?
      (facepalm)

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    37. Re: And now skype by sh00z · · Score: 2

      From TFA: "People You May Know suggestions are not informed by your smartphone’s Location Services." Which is an interesting set of weasel-words. It may not use the phone's Location Services, but if the app is looking at available Access Points, it could be feeding requests to a *Facebook* Location Service.

    38. Re:And now skype by Albanach · · Score: 1

      Sharing the IP address with somebody doesn't mean they are related, it can also mean they share the same Internet Service Provider, they work in the same company, they sit in the same Starbucks, they use the same VPN, ....

      However Facebook know much more than that. Unless she exclusively uses private browsing or clears cookies after each use, they likely know the two profiles share the same laptop and phone. Every web page she visits that has a facebook "like" button may be sending back the cookies associated with both accounts. It's unlikely that logging out an account deletes the associated cookies.

      So the same device logs in to account 1 from an IP, then account 2 from the same IP. Later at a coffee shop, the same happens. And the next day it happens from the work IP on a second device. Quickly you realize the accounts are related in some way.

      It would be less likely with two devices - than only the fact that they're logging in from one IP would be shared and a VPN could be used to route around that too.

    39. Re: And now skype by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      I suppose, if the needle contains lethal drugs.

    40. Re:And now skype by Albanach · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, it's still easy to make the association. She may be sharing GPS information on her phone via the facebook client. Facebook know she and her clients are regularly in the same place at the same time. If she uses hotels and connects to the hotel wifi, facebook could get that information without even needing the GPS information. Knowing that two people independently arrive at the Holiday Inn on Acacia Avenue at 7pm every second Wednesday for four months would easily be enough to suggest they might know each other.

      Then there are all the other associations - did they "check in" to the same hotels, bars, restaurants? Do they "like" similar things since they spend time in the same places?

    41. Re: And now skype by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Holy reading fail, fuckface. "Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all; for it, she uses a different email address, a different phone number, and a different name." She did have a sex worker account, she just didn't use her sex worker information and was surprised it still found it out. This is what the fucking article is about.

    42. Re:And now skype by deiksac · · Score: 1

      i guess she might have just the phone to call clients and accessed her fb profile from the same phone. enough to make a connection.

    43. Re: And now skype by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Ah fuck. I probably misread it myself. When it says "for it", I took to mean the Facebook sex account. But I guess "it" just refers to her real life sex worker profile. My bad. I blame the writer.

    44. Re:And now skype by Circuit+Breaker · · Score: 1

      Same IP is not good enough for a criminal conviction, no.

      But it's most definitely enough for Facebook to offer "people you may know".

    45. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure it works that way. I had another FB account that I accessed from the same computer, IP address. It's never suggested to my main or in reverse. But none of the content on either page is related and the groups of contacts is also different. I think it's more likely that the sex-worker's clients posted about her or had pictures or something like that and FB co-related that information. Kind of like Linked-in spam.

    46. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are completely missing the point. A "people you may know" prompt does NOT imply that the secret sex worker identity exists in the Facebook database nor that such an identity got linked with her account.

      All she would have to do is carry her real phone too close to her meetings with clients who also carry their real phones, and Facebook could eventually assume these real people know each other due to correlated visits to the same locations. It is the human users afterwards, presented with the "people you may know" prompts, who link the presented Facebook identity to their previously anonymous sex-work acquaintances.

      Ironically, it might take more invasive analysis for Facebook to infer that such meetings are elicit or taboo and to politely pretend it doesn't know about them. Otherwise, you need to use "spycraft", as mentioned in comments above, to protect yourself from this pervasive and irresponsible surveillance, analysis, and publication of results.

      What we have with modern social networks is better information capture than the Stasi, the analysis of the CIA or KGB, but the results being fed back into Minitel and tabloids instead of just to some discreet men in black.

    47. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what should people use, who don't want WhatsApp or anything privacy impaired?
      Especially people who are privacy minded but not tech minded?
      If it's WhatsApp or Signal, let it be Signal.

      Other apps I've looked at are either not open source, not free / gratis, and / or they have a similar list of permissions they require.

      Btw, with Signal being open source, it's at least possible to see what they do with the data they can get to.
      I doubt they would ever try to monetize it, since it would be the end of it.

    48. Re: And now skype by jcr · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long it's going to take for some low-level FB employee to figure out that they can make a hefty amount on the side by blackmailing people.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    49. Re: And now skype by fisted · · Score: 1

      So what should people use, who don't want WhatsApp or anything privacy impaired?

      I suspect there is no decent solution that's ready for granny at this time.

      Personally I'd be fine with, say, a libotr-using IRC client.

      Signal being open source

      Yes, that's a good thing. But IMHO less for finding out what it does with the permissions, as ripping out the functionality that uses those permissions. But the code base is probably large and doing that would be a time-consuming task

    50. Re: And now skype by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      It's much simpler than that. It's called location services. "I don't know them Facebook!" Really, because you spend time about once a week with them in the same hotel room.

      FWIW Facebook claims they don't use location services to determine identities for friends requests (stated in link).

    51. Re:And now skype by fisted · · Score: 1

      Yep. But the code base is presumably fairly big so that'd take more weekends than I'm willing to invest.

    52. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure that the file might not have been put there by one of the doxers, aren't you?

    53. Re: And now skype by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      They definitely do this, and it is the wording they are using to obfuscate this. I haven't looked at what their claim is word for word, having cancelled the FB I created when urged to by a friend and ultimately concluding that it is eroding the fabric of society, but DO know they used where I have been and others have been as one vector. They also lol at if I have someone's number and that number is in someone else's phone. I'm sure they correlate many other details as well, but location is absolutely used. My guess is they are saying "It's not used for "Friend" requests, just to suggest people you may know. Sure there is a button for you to request they be your friend, but that's different. You are initiating the request.

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    54. Re:And now skype by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      More likely they just live/work in close vicinity, which is how they found each other to begin with. Whores don't typically go to the next state over to practice their trade. They probably go to the same academic institution that she mentioned.

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    55. Re: And now skype by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      Yes. It was as if I had accidentally dragged a bunch of porn to a local folder that is synced to a Google Drive folder I share with my extended family, instead of dragging it to the Recycle Bin where I'd intended. Or if I'd attempted to upload multiple files that were in my Downloads folder, and ctrl-clicked on one too many files in the file chooser dialog.

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    56. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **head explodes**

    57. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wants too many permissions. Nosy as Facebook.

    58. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the sex work were legal this would be a good feature to get more business...

    59. Re: And now skype by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

      Good discussion including moxie here.

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    60. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you silly open sores people.

    61. Re:And now skype by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but removing those permissions using privacy control is trivial. Or Xposed.

      If you don't use those, all that information about you could already be on the dark internet due to other apps.

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    62. Re:And now skype by fisted · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but removing those permissions using privacy control is trivial.

      What is privacy control?

      Or Xposed.

      That doesn't work on my phone.

      If you don't use those, all that information about you could already be on the dark internet due to other apps.

      Again, this was less about my privacy and more about attack surface in an app that wnats to be seen as highly secure.

    63. Re:And now skype by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      How is the suggestion hurting you? What can hurt you is that they know a lot about you. Are you one of the "ignorance is bliss" guys ?

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    64. Re: And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. The only lesson from this is to remain off of any and all social networks and the internet for that matter. And btw, yes they sell your data. All of them do. Either directly or through advertisers who can link up your account or "anonymous" browsing on any and all sites to your real world identity. The one and only way to remain safe is to remain offline 100% of the time. If you've ever gotten on the internet at any point in time in the last 20 years and used any real information or even tried to falsify it like making a purchase with a prepaid visa, using a fake name and having it shipped to a friends house. Then Facebook, Amazon, Google etc know everything needed to know exactly who you are.

    65. Re:And now skype by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Ok, my phone was not in English so couldn't check the real name in
      English : privacy guard. My rough translation turned out to be stupid.

      Again, this was less about my privacy and more about attack surface in an app that wnats to be seen as highly secure.

      I respect that, but these privacy enhancing steps do reduce the attack surface too to some non-trivial extent. E.g. when you use Xposed to block some method call by the app, the real code to , say, obtain your contacts, is not run, but Xposed shows the middle finger to the app.

      Remember - permission by itself doesn't hurt you unless it is used. By the app intentionally, or after being hacked. Xposed prevents the usage of the permission. It doesn't prevent the method being called - but it does the next best thing - implementation is changed to a much simpler one protecting your data as well as reducing attack surface.

      It would be best to not have all that attack surface area, but we need to live in reality.

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    66. Re:And now skype by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      "It trivial for Facebook to link the identities, she is using the same IP address to log in for both of them. It is then reasonable for the Facebook algorithm to guess that people logging in from the same IP address are related somehow."

      Sharing the IP address with somebody doesn't mean they are related, it can also mean they share the same Internet Service Provider, they work in the same company, they sit in the same Starbucks, they use the same VPN, ....

      And with all those thing they 'might' know each other, which is what the thing is suggesting.

      I'd just say this a perfect example of why your profile picture should never be a picture of yourself but I seem to be in the minority on that these days.

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    67. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I suspect is that there were two accounts. One active account for her private life that she created and a shadow account created for the sex worker from information gathered by Facebook using information from her work phone and the accounts and phones of all her clients. At some point there was enough information in the shadow account for Facebook's algorithm to link together her real account with the shadow account. Since the shadow account contained all of the linking information to her clients once the algorithm determined that she and the person described by the shadow account were the same it linked one to the other and her clients ended up on her suggested friends list and conversely she ended up on theirs.

    68. Re:And now skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TLDR exists for a reason..

    69. Re:And now skype by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You're all forgetting the simplest solution.
      the facebook engineer was a client!

    70. Re:And now skype by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If they work in the same company or sit in the same Starbucks then there's a chance they might know each other.

    71. Re:And now skype by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Same here, a friend suggested it to me, when I saw the list of permissions it was requesting I shut it down. I fail to see why a messaging application needs that many permissions to send a message. Reminds me of blackberry back in the day when it was still popular, needed a torch app quick, but every single one I tried wanted god rights on my phone! For a torch? Eventually got up and went and found a real torch.

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  2. The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    criminalizing prostitution.

    1. Re:The real problem is by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      criminalizing prostitution.

      No.

      The real problem is that privacy rules are not protected by jail terms for company directors.

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    2. Re:The real problem is by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both are real problems.

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    3. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A comedian once said, off all the things you can do to someone, is an orgasm really so bad?

    4. Re:The real problem is by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      The real problem is having a FaceTwit account.

      Or more generally posting to internet sites where people might be able to infer things about you and what you do.

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    5. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that with a Jerry Seinfeld voice and it seemed to fit well. (No idea what comedian it came from.)

    6. Re:The real problem is by thereitis · · Score: 1

      That is _a_ problem, but the societal stigma of sex work will remain even if the trade is made legal.

    7. Re:The real problem is by sittingnut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      analyzing and publishing public information is not an invasion of privacy, even when done on a massive detailed scale using new technology.

      facebook is a public place, created to exploit user information for facebook investors' advantage, with no privacy whatsoever, don't use it. don't put yourself at the mercy of exploiters running facebook, if you care for privacy.

      case would be different when non facebook users are exploited by zuck and gang, that too happens. that should be criminalized with prison. .

    8. Re:The real problem is by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

      I don't think the problem here is that it is illegal. Even if it were legal I don't think anyone would want their clients from such an enterprise tracking them down when off duty. Further, regardless of the law, it still has a social stigma.

    9. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is that privacy rules are not protected by jail terms for company directors.

      Hey something that yields that much revenue can't be a crime! Oh drugs, oops.

    10. Re:The real problem is by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both are pretty serious problems and ones that massively would benefit society if changed. Of course that would require people to a) get over religion and b) get over the quasi-religious belief that people with a lot of money are somehow "good".

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    11. Re: The real problem is by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A big issue here though is that the right-wing viewpoint is usually "This is forbidden! We will NEVER change that!".

      If prostitution were regulated, with mandatory heath examinations, licensing of facilities and a framework that prevents these women from taken advantage of, we could have it both ways: People who want to pay for sex would be able to, with less risk to themselves and their "partner".

      A good fictional example is the Companion Guild in the Firefly TV series. In that world they solved the problem through regulation and also elevating the trade so that it's considered prestigious, rather than scandalous.

    12. Re: The real problem is by emorphien · · Score: 0

      No wonder you posted as Anonymous Coward. This is a load of guff.

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    13. Re: The real problem is by Alypius · · Score: 1

      IIRC, it was one of George Carlin's routines.

    14. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What privacy? She's on Facebook. Her pictures are on Facebook. By choice.

    15. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Kind of.

      As a self-identified right-winger, my first concern with prostitution is the inherent risk of abuse, first due to the social stigma, which puts the sex worker at risk of abuse by law enforcement, pimps and other rent-seekers, and clients. Removing the stigma is, or should be, out of scope for government intervention. Government can reflect society and culture, but when it is used to dictate or shape society or culture, it is no longer freedom, and our nation has become something it was not intended to be.

      This is why, as described in a recent incident, police officers defending engaging in sex with anyone other than their spouses (or partner) while on duty as innocuous are flat-out lying. Being a police officer, on duty, they have an inescapable position of authority, and there can be no consensual interaction with any citizen without the obvious risk of becoming an enforced interaction. The gun on their person forces that. Even taking the gun and badge off solves nothing, however, because they can defer that forced interaction until 'later'. A police officer on duty, and probably even off duty, can use their position of authority to force others to comply with virtually any demand, and their only risk is not exposure, for we see too many reports of this happening, but the unfortunately rare imposition of undesirable consequences. these happen too rarely to be a deterrent on many forces...

      And this is only the law enforcement risk to sex workers. their clients can take advantage of a real imbalance of power. Until society removes the various stigma associated with the work, this is a risk where the work is held in such low esteem.

      Now, the question of whether prostitution is a moral or ethical profession is one to be left to the culture and society. resolving that could make the work safer.

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    16. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all leave digital breadcrumbs in our daily lives. Those who elect to live criminal double lives do so at their own risk and operate in a world where the challenges to remaining anonymous are ever increasing. This is a path they have chosen, they should accept the challenges they face while on it.

    17. Re: The real problem is by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "People with right wing viewpoints take a wider, past-oriented and future-oriented view of reality. They see what has happened in the past, what is happening now, and can make predictions about side effects that will happen in the future. They act with far more thought, consideration, and planning."

      Thanks for that, I laughed my ass off, I needed that today.

    18. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more the human trafficking portion which makes it illegal. Sadly it's very hard to separate the two, so thus they typically outlaw both. It's not terribly uncommon to ban one thing because law enforcement can't figure out a way to disentangle it from something that truly is awful.

    19. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with criminalizing prostitution.

      I assume she lives somewhere it is legal.

    20. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No.

      The real problem is that privacy rules are not protected by jail terms for company directors.

      I would agree, except: What privacy rules?

      I'm one of likely very few people who actually _read_ "privacy" policies (when I can stomach it). 95% of them are written like too many contracts and agreements, basically saying "by using this website" "by submitting your information" "you agree that we can and will do anything we feel like with anything you submit" "oh and by the way we respect your privacy and thank you for giving it to us to sell and have a nice day".

      There are no privacy rules for individuals in USA. If there are any, then they, and any and all other laws are too weak when someone can make a contractual clause saying you've given up your rights. Include all of the "mandatory arbitration" clauses that seem to be all the rage.

      What we need is 1 big law that says "rights are inherent, that's why they're called rights, and can not ever be denied or revoked, no matter what the agreement".

      If I was in charge, if someone puts a clause in a contract that says "you agree to give up X right", that whole contract becomes null for the entity who tried to usurp laws, and criminal penalties follow.

    21. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. I am astonished at how many seemingly enlightened individuals believe that those with wealth are free from corrupt tendencies (assuming there are no major political differences; i.e. Koch or Soros)

    22. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Both sides are against it for the same reasons, only the right also adds morality on top.

    23. Re:The real problem is by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Close. The real problem is carrying a cell phone with the Facebook app on it, signed in with your account, while doing things you don't want Facebook knowing about. All they have to do is correlate the GPS locations from multiple devices to detect that two people are repeatedly in the same location at the same time.

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    24. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      no capitalization?

      I prefer my right wing self justificatory rants with caps lock on.

      Caps lock on means you're serious.

      Remember that.

    25. Re:The real problem is by avandesande · · Score: 1

      For the right it's a religious issue for the left they don't like it because it puts a ceiling on the cost/aggravation men will put up with for sex.

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    26. Re:The real problem is by budgenator · · Score: 2

      analyzing and publishing public information is not an invasion of privacy, even when done on a massive detailed scale using new technology.

      True but isn't annoying to have to go deep-cover using CIA/FSB level tradecraft to avoid blow-back from a weekend night of sophomoric high inks? God help you if your undercover law enforcement or WitSec! I'm sure FB could easily be hit with interfering with a police officer even if a privacy charge can't beleveled.

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    27. Re:The real problem is by irrational_design · · Score: 2

      But even if prostitution was legal and socially acceptable, don't you still think there would be prostitutes that would want to keep their day job hidden from family members or others?

    28. Re:The real problem is by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      As if company directors even actually faced jail terms for misconduct.

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    29. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      criminalizing prostitution.

      No.

      The real problem is that privacy rules are not protected by jail terms for company directors.

      No.

      The real problem is that people accept the Terms and Agreements without reading them, then complain about them later.

    30. Re: The real problem is by wonkavader · · Score: 2

      Dude, the whole EU is lefty-society. All the Nordic countries are way lefty.

      You're pointing to dictatorships and saying that's the left.

    31. Re: The real problem is by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Legalize, tax it, require registration, inspections, etc. Legal protection for johns when prostitutes have up-to-date paperwork, prosecution for johns when they don't. Trafficking would plummet over the course of the first decade.

    32. Re: The real problem is by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      Isn't it already legal in Nevada?

      I have no idea how the locals see it or what regulation there is but wouldn't that be a place to look at what works and what doesn't?

    33. Re:The real problem is by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      That's a huge part of it. But another part of the problem is having friends with facebook accounts who post pictures with you in them.

      Or have pictures with you in them and post those to their google account, etc.

      The moment you have an account you need (linkdin?), your association list is already known.

    34. Re: The real problem is by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmm... as a self-identified left-winger; I'd say you nailed my position more or less perfectly as well. So I'm not sure the split her is left vs right at all.

      I do generally favor legalization; for practical reasons. It is going to happen whether its legal or not, and they are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times... explicitly making them criminals too just makes them more vulnerable.

    35. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But the social stigma doesn't exist in a public policy vacuum. There are many areas open to debate where we've essentially moved on, but many others where we haven't. Compare gay marriage to abortion- at points, equally divisive, but there's only one of those things I'd openly admit to, and I don't think it's unrelated that so few people are trying to stuff the gay marriage genie back in the bottle. Whereas with abortion, not a legislative session goes by without attempts to further restrict the exercise of what is, at least for now, a right. There are actually very few absolutists on the issue, meaning most people can envision a scenario where an abortion is acceptable (severely deformed fetus that is the product of an incestuous rape, the birth of which would clearly risk the life of the mother, maybe). But I would never come forward in public.

      My point being, even when you might think government isn't 'dictating or shaping society or culture,' it still is. Every one of those anti-abortion bills is trying to regulate activity on its face, but they also absolutely promote a society and culture where there is an incredible amount of stigma on any abortion.

    36. Re: The real problem is by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The ban isn't working. Banning prostitution never works.

      Human trafficking for sex is a serious issue, but legalizing and regulating prostitution would likely help some. (We know it doesn't stop it.) If there are legal and regulated brothels, they'll tend to attract most of the customers. People working in them would have legal recourse against abuse, including being forced into prostitution. That would leave trafficking to illegal brothels, which would stand out more.

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    37. Re:The real problem is by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Last I heard, prostitution was legal in the US only in certain counties in Nevada, not in California. She's in an illegal occupation, and probably doesn't want that linked with her secret identity.

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    38. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decriminalizing prostitution makes human traffickers into "entrepreneurs". Bad idea.

    39. Re:The real problem is by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      It's a problem but not necessarily pertinent to this story given "sex workers" covers a range of professions, many legal.

      The actual problem here is that Facebook is doing nothing to protect the privacy of its users, and in fact, is actually deliberately, intentionally, destroying their privacy. Google, for all of the "They're selling your stuff to advertisers!" BS, actually doesn't go anywhere near as far as Facebook does trying to reveal your life to others.

      Facebook has become too dangerous. I don't know how you end Facebook, but we need to figure out how.

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    40. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how your head is firmly buried in the sand :-) on a topic where you feel that you can decide what rights or freedoms women have.

      Do you also want to shut down planned parenthood? If people like you had your way we'd have 2 or 3 or 4 kids we cant afford growing up in a world of "haves, and have nots" vs one that will have a shot at not being dragged down in the slowly sinking middle class utopia people like you are slowly gutting.

    41. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who knows, with big data sets of the likes FB collects, significant computing power and small army of data scientists its probably quite eye opening the things they can figure out about people.

    42. Re:The real problem is by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Even if prostitution were legal (and it is in some places), the prostitute may still not want their personal information spread around. Regardless of your job, you may not want your personal information made public.

    43. Re: The real problem is by blindseer · · Score: 1

      A big issue here though is that the right-wing viewpoint is usually "This is forbidden! We will NEVER change that!".

      I remember a class exercise I had in school, admittedly a Catholic school, where we tasked with writing rules for a group of people marooned on an island. We were to create rules for people to follow on creating a new society from effectively nothing. So we get into small groups and debate on what those rules might be. Just about everyone came up with rules like no murder, no stealing, no lying, and perhaps a few other common rules. After the exercise the instructor showed the parallels between what we came up with and the Ten Commandments. This stuck with me because it took a handful of teenagers about a half hour to agree on some very basic things that cannot change or our fictional island society falls apart.

      Being as this was a bunch of children making the rules in a very short time we didn't get to more complex issues like keeping families together, sexual restraint, taxation, and so on. There are some things that must me forbidden and never change or the fabric of society falls apart. One thing that has been shown to be dangerous to society is having people without some restraint on who they have sex with.

      That said, should prostitution be illegal? I don't think so. What we should not do though is normalize it. Having multiple sexual partners messes with people's minds. We have a need to pair up. If people want to "try out" a partner before marriage then that might not be a bad thing. If sleeping around gets to be a habit though then we start seeing problems.

      The Companion Guild from Firefly might not be so bad. The companions in the guild had certain protections in law and by policies in the guild. Even then in the series you saw the one main character that was a companion wanting to find a life partner. In one episode the prostitutes not in the guild even had a code of conduct and a group that protected them from abuse. They had effectively recreated a guild of their own.

      It's one thing to have in law the legalization of prostitution and another laws regulating how "houses of ill repute" should be run. There's just some things the government should not do. Running a whore house is something the government should not do. California tried this with the pornographic film industry, requiring the use of condoms, requiring testing for AIDS, and so on. All it did was drive the industry out of state and underground. They had the best intentions but I think we all know where that road leads.

      Dammit, now I have to watch Firefly again.

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    44. Re: The real problem is by easyTree · · Score: 1

      How is it a problem? People controlling (large amounts of) other people's money make the laws and so by (legal) definition cannot be in the wrong. Land of the free.

    45. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those countries are doing better because the generally do not nationalize industries like his other examples mostly did.

    46. Re:The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Everything a facebook user is doing in privacy, aka not on facebook, is private.
      You must have a very wiered idea about privacy ....

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    47. Re: The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Prostitution is legal in most countries.
      And in the majourity of those countries, mandatory health checks and of course 'paying your taxes' are in those 'frameworks'
      The legal system of the US, regarding prostitution, drugs and firearms is just 200 behind the civilized world.

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    48. Re:The real problem is by rhazz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. And this isn't the first time its happened either.

    49. Re: The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you realize now that left and right are completely meaningless descriptions, labels?
      I don't even know what you want to say with 'The EU is left' ... in relation to what?

      The EU has its more left and more right and more centered parties like any other country, that does not have a two party system.

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    50. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The left wing versus right wing responses to prostitution are interesting case studies highlighting how those with a leftist perspective focus on the first-order effects, while those with a rightist perspective focus on higher-order effects.

      And here I thought the left was focused on personal freedom, while the right was focused on the private interactions of other people.

      To somebody with a leftist perspective, prostitution is just about the act of sexual intercourse. That's where it ends for them. They see the first-order effects of the act, but that's it.

      It's about the exchange of money.

      To somebody with a rightist perspective, there is far more at play. The act of sexual intercourse is just a very small portion of a much bigger picture. The bigger picture includes things like the widespread transmission of various diseases.

      Big red herring, unless said diseases are passed via currency. Otherwise that's an argument for regulating all sex outside of marriage, not just prostitution.

      It also includes unexpected pregnancies, often involving a mother who is in no position to care for such a child.

      See above.

      Then there's the psychological aspect, which drives many prostitutes to become serious drug abusers.

      This is in large part an aspect of the black market controlling prostitution. Pimps force prostitutes to use drugs in order to control them. Drug dealers force clients to become prostitutes to pay for the drugs. Prostitutes turn to the black market for security because they have no legal options.

      Then there's the issue of people being forced into prostitution.

      The issue is forced, not prostitution. People have been forced to work as nannies, housekeepers, restaurant workers, etc.

      Then there's the disruption and harm it, along with side effects like drugs and the needles used for drug consumption, can cause to neighborhoods. Then there's the harm and disruption it can cause to families, not only of the prostitutes, but those of their clients as well. Those on the right realize we're in the current situation, with prostitution criminalized in many areas, because in the past it caused severe problems for society.

      Like prohibition and the war on drugs, much of the harm and disruption is caused because of the current laws, not in spite of them.

      People with left wing viewpoints take a narrow, immediate view of reality. They aren't concerned with the past or the future, nor with side effects caused by today's actions. They act impulsively.

      People with right wing viewpoints take a wider, past-oriented and future-oriented view of reality. They see what has happened in the past, what is happening now, and can make predictions about side effects that will happen in the future. They act with far more thought, consideration, and planning.

      So it's no wonder we'd see very different views about how to handle the situation. Those with left wing views want an immediate solution, such as decriminalization, without considering the wider implications of this decision. Those with right wing views want a proper solution that provides far more balance and tries to avoid unintended side effects.

    51. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, if she was always using the same machine, the same IP? or does f'book 'fingerprint' your machine and send that code too?

    52. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because no law ever conflicted with another law, or the Constitution...

    53. Re: The real problem is by easyTree · · Score: 1

      When there's conflict, the law which benefits the party with the greatest financial resources takes precedence. System working correctly. No problem.

    54. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do the Facebook terms of service include something like, "I agree to Facebook acting as a private investigator on behalf of its advertisers to gather information about me"? I really wanna know.

    55. Re: The real problem is by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Decriminalization would put a damper on people dating and marrying out of sexual frustration and in the long term improve relationships for those that are looking for one.

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    56. Re: The real problem is by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Truly astonishing.

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    57. Re: The real problem is by kartaron · · Score: 1

      This is not a conservative or historically normal american right wing position. European right wing is different and doesnt really apply since there really isnt a european party with even marginally similar conservative positions. What you described is more appropriately a classical liberal or modern libertarian position, where the implication of crime requires primarily a victim. Thus victimless crimes such as prostitution without coercion, and drug use that doesnt contribute to a separate crime are not crimes at all under classic liberalism. This is because classical liberalism is based on the primary demand of freedom of the will of humanity.
        Thus the great crime to the liberal is force.

      American right wing political thought begins not with free will, but with all rights (read freedom from coercion) being granted by God who has authorized a particular order where justice demands adherence to a similarly particular morality and this grants conditional living under certain freedoms. For this reason, that the rights granted are not fundamental, but conditional to a moral and religious people. One primary tenant of conservatism is the inherent uniqueness of man as created by God and for this reason, humanity is to be treated with a dignity beyond other parts of his creation. With human dignity as the foundation of the direction of the law, conservative law resists classical liberal concepts such as freedom to commit suicide, drug use, pornography, prostitution, gambling and other 'victimless' crimes because there is still one victim, even of the victim is also the author of the crime.

      For this reason, legalization is not the pathway for a conservative. The destruction of a human soul through self actuated depravity is no better than the destruction brought by another.

      See Kirk, DeTocqueville, Bastiat, Locke

    58. Re:The real problem is by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      analyzing and publishing public information is not an invasion of privacy, even when done on a massive detailed scale using new technology.

      How so?

      Quantity matters. If you look at me at the street. It's not a problem. If you follow me 24/7 everywhere anytime I put a foot in a public space, it is a problem.

    59. Re:The real problem is by gweihir · · Score: 2, Informative

      And there you have swallowed the "Big Lie" whole. The thing is that almost no sex worker is ever "trafficked". That is just a story vomited out by the anti-sex-work propaganda. No matter how often repeated, it is simply not true. It does however fit nicely into the deranged fantasies of many religious fundamentalists. The most extreme perversion committed by the police here is that they do charge sex-workers with having trafficked themselves. They also charge drivers (usually in the employ of an escort, i.e. a subordinate) with trafficking and just plain people that have helped sex-workers in anything remotely connected to their work.

      Sure, very rarely somebody is forced via threat of violence into sex work, but the thing is that usually the first or second client is the one to call the police on this, because customers of sex-workers are not complete scum.

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    60. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this example, it is a sex worker, but I know an undercover cop that has the same problem.

    61. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The legal system of the US, regarding prostitution, drugs and firearms is just 200 behind the civilized world.

      200 feet? Points? Miles? Pages?

    62. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in the 200 page EULA using weasel words and lawyer speak, probably. User information needs protection, even if they are the product.

    63. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't feed the trolls.

    64. Re: The real problem is by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Dude, the whole EU is lefty-society.

      And how's that working out?

    65. Re: The real problem is by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      200 libraries of congress.

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    66. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the real problem is not that Facebook CAN correlate the 2 identities, is that it doesn't give a royal fuck if you want it to do that or not.
      You're just data.
      You don't pay.
      You're not important.
      You're the ignorant product.
      You thought you were getting something for free, and you just found out that YOU are the free thing to facebook.

      In two words:
      Fuck Zuckerberg.

    67. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they are doing location tracking. They know where you are and people regularly near you. They have been doing this for years and it is very fucking evil.

    68. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"he thing is that almost no sex worker is ever "trafficked"."

      That may be true in that the percentage of sex workers who are "trafficked" (coerced into prostitution by others who are exploiting them) may be small, but the problem of sex slavery remains a significant issue.

    69. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the real problem is that women feel the need to sell their bodies to make money either due to desperation or from being able to cope with life. Those women are better then that and should not be involved in such a risky and dangerous trade just to glorify some jackass guy's wanton need to gratify his own selfish needs and treat people like a throw away object.

    70. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is dead on. I visit the same exercise shop a couple times a week and never check in. I do have the app on my phone and after a few weeks I started to see FB recommending other gym members as friends, even ones I had never taken a class with.

    71. Re: The real problem is by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Prostitution has been legal in .nl for a few years now. Recently a study was done on the effects of that. Result: inconclusive. There was no measurable improvement in the lives of prostitutes. Many still are illegal immigrants (i.e. brought here by prostitution gangs), legalization hasn't enabled them to sever ties with those gangs.

    72. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. Which is why you should think twice about becoming a sex worker - even if it is legal. Which it is, in some places.

    73. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That devolves into the same problem, with the same solution: Don't give those sharks your data. Any of it, ever.

      Face it, for all the good it has done (q.v.), facebook proves to be a problem and it needs to go. Teh Zuck is a problem and he needs to go.

      It really starts at the combination of their insistence that you only provide 'real' data and then they're being totally secretive with what unholy things they do with it. Why are we even accepting any of that?

    74. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I pay my doctor to shove two fingers up my ass, that's legal, because he's "examining" my prostate.

      If I pay a hooker to do the exact same thing, we could both be arrested.

      The doctor charges more, too...

    75. Re: The real problem is by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      A good fictional example is the Companion Guild in the Firefly TV series. In that world they solved the problem through regulation and also elevating the trade so that it's considered prestigious, rather than scandalous.

      That, or virtually any real life brothel in Nevada.

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    76. Re:The real problem is by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I think she was doing both things on facebook, but thought they wouldn't notice the same IP address from which she did.
      If you want to hide/spoof/double your identity, get some anonimization course.
      At least use Tor with different browsers in different VMs with a different OS.
      Do not post pictures on the fake facebook account, neither let your clients do it.

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    77. Re:The real problem is by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. People have the right to engage in online social life that is SEPARATE from their other life.

      All you are doing is blaming the victim.

      The real problem is a lack of laws regulating the wild west of the new frontier - the internet.

      We need laws that allow you to limit how people can collect data on you. Perhaps a legal right to eliminate all data a company has on you. Full delete except for records of financial transactions you have done with them, and your name/address.

      We could pay for service via bitcoin mining instead of privacy invasion.

      We also need the right to NOT tell them information they don't need to know. Facebook etc. should not have the right to demand your zip code, gender and birthday before giving you an account.

      Yes they want that information, but many people do not want to share that information but still want to use their services.

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    78. Re: The real problem is by slashrio · · Score: 1

      If prostitution were regulated, with mandatory heath examinations, licensing of facilities and a framework that prevents these women from taken advantage of, we could have it both ways...

      Like in... Amsterdam?

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    79. Re: The real problem is by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Quite well. Northern Europeans score pretty high on the scale of happiness. And they mostly have universal health care.

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    80. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention you need to disable location services and tracking since one of the simplest ways to link identities or at least "likely associates" is by recurring physical proximity.

    81. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My pictures are on FB, too. But not by MY choice. Other people have posted pictures of meâ"even tagged me by nameâ"without my consent. This is almost impossible to avoid these days unless you never leave your motherâ(TM)s basement.

    82. Re: The real problem is by Brockmire · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Citations needed. There was a problem in Ontario Canada with gangs bringing in girls from other countries and forcing them into stripping and prostitution. Same in Montreal. I hear enough of this in the news that you'd have to provide evidence for me to believe that this isn't really happening.

    83. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    84. Re: The real problem is by gweihir · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you believe the news on this, then you are beyond help.

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    85. Re:The real problem is by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 2

      There was a study done on the effects legalized prostitution has on sex trafficking. The study found that legalizing prostitution resulted in both increases in demand for sex workers (duh) as well as increases in human trafficking. I'm no longer convinced that simply legalizing prostitution is the answer.

      Maybe decriminalizing being a prostitute, while criminalizing being a John? I'm open to ideas.

      A source (there are other news articles, and the study is out there somewhere as well): https://journalistsresource.or...

    86. Re: The real problem is by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having multiple sexual partners messes with people's minds. We have a need to pair up.

      Citation needed. Lots of pre-industrial societies did not have monogamous relationships as the norm. Lots of people today do just fine without restricting themselves to a single partner. The only real reason to push monogamy and marriage is as an attempt to create a stable environment for children to grow up in, and even that doesn't work well because raising kids is a lot of work; it worked out better for parents when they had help from extended family, something you don't see so much now which is why we have "day care" and babysitters. People who aren't having kids, or have gotten past that age (e.g. their kids have grown up and moved out) really have no good reason to stay in monogamous relationships. It's just something society pushes on us because of old-fashioned and obsolete morality and religion.

    87. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decriminalizing prostitution makes human traffickers into "entrepreneurs". Bad idea.

      How does legalizing prostitution legalize kidnapping? If anything, it hurts traffickers by

      A) Killing the black market, thus reducing profit margin
      B) Giving the victims the ability to go to the police without incriminating themselves.

    88. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      As for how Facebook does/learns about this. In no simple terms it learns about this through a combination of facial recognition, and geotagging of photos.

      How I know this:

      1. I don't use facebook in any regular capacity

      2. No recent photo of me appears on facebook, in fact I have NEVER used my face on facebook. Yet despite that, I was tagged in one photo by someone else and facebook figured it out. How did it figure that out? I barely knew the person. Yet here's the rub, if that person some how knew the exact spelling of my name, how did it know to send the photo to me?

      Easy:
      1. Geotagged photo
      2. Your CV or "past places of employment" listed in facebook
      3. Your current or past relationships with people, and the places they live.

      In other words people who are escorting/prostituting/webcamming/etc face a real risk of having a photo of them taken by either a client/watcher and fed into facebook and let facebook identify the person. Try this:

      Take any random strangers face on the internet, I'd suggest grabbing a face from a youtube video. Now create a photo folder on facebook that only you can see, and start adding these these people to it and see what it tries to tag them as.

      This is the problem with facebook, it tries to be helpful, so if that person's face has EVER been tagged by anyone, worldwide, it will associate them.

      So if you want to uncover the identity of someone, get a photo of them and facebook will do the rest. For people who engage in any kind of sex-work, there is really no way to prevent this.

    89. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      200 the size of State of Maine.

    90. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All they have to do is correlate the GPS locations from multiple devices "

      Yup. And they don't even need to use GPS. Remember, most Android apps these days almost invariably ask for wifi connection status. If you have wifi turned on, with or without facebook or related apps like Whatsapp activated, some app is recording the SSID and network names where you've been. If your device simply moves, someone is storing it, and Facebook is accumulating a database of shared hotspot locations, and who and where you've been and at what time.

      Essentially, Facebook and others are fingerprinting devices and hence users using simply time and network names, a bit similar to how browsers fingerprinted unique browser instances/users by fonts installed and browser settings.

    91. Re:The real problem is by sd4f · · Score: 1

      Facebook is nowhere near as pervasive as google. To stop using facebook is relatively easy, and you don't really miss out on much at all. Try to switch off from google, and that's a much more restricting proposition. Try using a smartphone without google being involved. I've noticed that all the smartphone OS's that have failed have been ones which saw no, or negligible support by google.

    92. Re: The real problem is by vux984 · · Score: 1

      That's interesting but I'm not sure what to make of it. Why hasn't legalization enabled them to sever ties with "those gangs"?

      And Is it just that category whose lives haven't improved? What about legal citizens engaged in it? Higher class escort services etc? Surely the ability to work with police if things go badly has helped?

    93. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Courts have protected police right to lie.

    94. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be incredibly naive.

    95. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      God you're stupid. I'm expressing my concerns, you turn them into commands.

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    96. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not use Facebook, Twitter, or Google. They will use your phone, which has specific ID for cell activity, as well as Wifi and Bluetooth.
      Driving down the street your phone connects to whatever Wifi along the road, and that info get somewhere useful to Google. See those antennas along the expressways? Smart Passes for expressways or something else? Cars have wireless connections, including tire pressure transducers.
      We are all being tracked better than Stasi could ever dream.

    97. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story described how legal sex-workers (e.g., pornography actresses) have the same kinds of problems with this that prostitutes have: "People think because you have sex on camera, privacy isn’t a big deal for you.... But in this industry, privacy is so important. Performers worry about stalkers on a daily basis.” That kind of shows that the problem is not just about the fact that prostitution is illegal.

    98. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but the thing is that usually the first or second client is the one to call the police on this

      Nice theory. It doesn't work that way in practice, whether you are talking about Los Angeles California, Vancouver BC, Singapore, Perth Australia, or Joburg South Africa. Law enforcement in those cities, plus a plethora more have broken prostitution rings that operated for years using illegal female immigrants that wer5e forced into prostitution.
      I am, of course, assuming that the testimony given during the court cases, by both the police, the hostesses, and the pimps, is a more or less accurate depiction of what occurred.

    99. Re: The real problem is by blindseer · · Score: 0

      I know this is not a direct citation but an article about a report but it's the best I could find so far.
      http://jacksonville.com/opinio...

      Brookings whittled down a lot of analysis into three simple rules. You can avoid poverty by:

      1. Graduating from high school.

      2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

      3. Having a full-time job.

      If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you'll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

      Applies to everyone
      These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. Breaking these rules is becoming more commonplace, unfortunately, for all racial groups.

      By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms -- dropped out, got married before 21 and had children out of wedlock and didn't have a full-time job -- had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class.

      Did you ever think why monogamy was not the norm in pre-industrial societies? Perhaps it was this lack of family structure that kept them from advancing. And saying people "do fine" without a single partner is either a snapshot of their life before the downward spiral, or the 10% or so that were smart enough and/or had enough of another family structure to prevent their fall. Society is not so fragile that a few people with bad behaviors can bring it down. If there is a widespread loss of the family structure then society can spiral into crime and poverty for everyone.

      This need for a monogamous relationship is not "obsolete" or "old fashioned", it's the societal structure we've evolved into. Given enough time we might see humanity and society evolve into something else but that's not going to happen in a couple generations. Families relying on daycare and babysitters is likely quite dangerous to society. Children need guidance, not just a someone to warehouse them during the day while the parents go off to work. The best guidance, with rare exceptions, comes from the parents. And children need male and female guidance. They need to learn from both. Children with a single biological parent in the house have very high tendencies for crime, especially men. Women with a single biological parent raising them tend to have children before getting married, therefore raising children with a criminal tendency.

      This is not racial, but we do see certain races falling into poverty more than others. Lots of people came up with lots of reasons to describe the cause of this. In general though it is cultural. There is a culture in some communities that do not see a problem with children before marriage, do not see the value in an education, and lack a work ethic. Break this cycle of poverty by social pressure, not government policy (though government policy does reflect societal norms), and once the cycle is broken there is a built in mechanism to prevent it from coming back.

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    100. Re:The real problem is by Gussington · · Score: 1

      case would be different when non facebook users are exploited by zuck and gang, that too happens. that should be criminalized with prison. .

      Did you RTFS? Her second identity wasn't on FB.
      I'm not on FB but you can bet those cunts still know everything about me. If I lived closer I would take to their HQ with a couple of bump-stocked AR-15's...

    101. Re:The real problem is by Gussington · · Score: 1

      And there you have swallowed the "Big Lie" whole. The thing is that almost no sex worker is ever "trafficked".

      Citation? Trafficking may not be as big as the scare mongers make out, but it's a long way from "almost none".

    102. Re: The real problem is by Gussington · · Score: 1

      A big issue here though is that the right-wing viewpoint is usually "This is forbidden! We will NEVER change that!".

      If prostitution were regulated, with mandatory heath examinations, licensing of facilities and a framework that prevents these women from taken advantage of, we could have it both ways: People who want to pay for sex would be able to, with less risk to themselves and their "partner".

      A good fictional example...

      You don't need fictional examples, there's plenty of places that already have legal, regulated sex industries that prove your point.
      Where I live happens to be such a place and I indulge regularly. It's good fun and everyone wins (mostly).

    103. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do generally favor legalization; for practical reasons. It is going to happen whether its legal or not, and they are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times... explicitly making them criminals too just makes them more vulnerable.

      Uh, couldn't that be said for just about anything?

      Theft is going to happen whether legal or not; professional thieves are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times.

      Murder is going to happen whether legal or not; assassins are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times.

      Speeding is going to happen whether legal or not; professional drivers are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times.

      Littering is going to happen whether legal or not; homeless people are already in a highly vulnerable state at the best of times.

      Sarcastic posting is going to happen whether legal or not; anonymous cowards are already in a highly vulnerable activity at the best of times.

    104. Re: The real problem is by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Kind of.

      As a self-identified right-winger, my first concern with prostitution is the inherent risk of...

      And this is the main problem I see with right wing or conservative attitudes. You speak as if it has never been done before, and it's all unknown and scary.
      I live in a place where sex work has been legal for decades. The risks are no greater than a security guard or construction worker and for most part it's just a regular job.
      As this example shows a lot of right wing and conservative opinion* seems to be based on fear, uncertainty and doubt. That is no way to live...


      * For the record, Political Compass tells me that my political bias is centre-right, so please don't pass this off as some lefty-pinko conservative bashing. I just find the FUD generated by the extreme right to be purely that.

    105. Re: The real problem is by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Uh, couldn't that be said for just about anything?

      No. Because generally the biggest victims in prostitution are the prostitutes. So criminalizing prostitution just criminalizes the victim.

      Theft is going to happen whether legal or not; professional thieves are already in a highly vulnerable occupation at the best of times.

      The victims of theft are not the thieves. Etc.

    106. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      The difference between rights and legal or permitted behavior is important. Mistaking what we permit for what we are entitled to leads us to seek permission for that which we should be free to practice. Speech being a salient example.

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    107. Re: The real problem is by bingoUV · · Score: 2

      OK, funny how you omitted all evidence for your statements. On purpose?

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    108. Re:The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Which part of "she did not use facebook for her 'profession' " did you still not get?

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    109. Re:The real problem is by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      But even if prostitution was legal and socially acceptable, don't you still think there would be prostitutes that would want to keep their day job hidden from family members or others?

      If it was really socially acceptable I don't think there would be an issue, although you should of course still have the right to maintain separate work and home profiles. You're right that the legal aspect confuses things, as clearly no one wants their illegal actions linked to them.

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    110. Re:The real problem is by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Both are real problems.

      Amongst our many problems are such problems as...

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    111. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while i agree with needing right NOT to give them some information, if you made information public or gave it to facebook or one of other corps facebook does business with (and their privacy policy you accepted said they own data) it is for all intents and purposes public,
      and if from that public data they can extrapolate somehow your innermost secrets, like that you killed someone when you were 12 and record was expunged or that you are actually S&M sex worker that is also public data (any data created only from public data is also public data)

      what people need to realize is that if your not public personality like movie star or singer or politician you should not have facebook account, or any other social media account, if you have it whatever happens its your fault

      regarding this prostitute, choosing "public carrier" like politician, singer, basketball player (sport worker) or porn/sex worker means your giving away your privacy, period, your getting better pay for selling your privacy so you should not be complaining, nobody forced you to choose public carrier

    112. Re:The real problem is by Gryle · · Score: 2

      The solution to ending Facebook is simple: stop using. Well, simple in theory anyway. Facebook only has as much power as we (I'm speaking in the collective sense here) give it. Stop using it. Convince others to stop using it. While you're at it, perfect cold fusion.

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    113. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      And you are responding to my attempt to deal with root causes, interpret issues referencing truth and outcomes. This I've considered a conservative method.

      It's hard to do.

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    114. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      No, i don't approach issues, including this one, as if it's never been done before, or it's me, deserving a first fix. But I do seek to understand the root problem, root cause, and I try to make an informed decision based on the facts, which sometimes leads me to realize there is, in
      fact , no solution. Which may be the case in this instance. But each of us easily considers our intentions as better than others', and our understanding as more nuanced and more informed. Sometimes agreement is acceptable when when it's not quite what you want.

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    115. Re: The real problem is by liefer · · Score: 1

      Polygamy is outlawed in many places because it's bad for society, but not for the reasons you suggest. When polygamy is possible the elite men take all the women leaving a large portion of the male population very sexually frustrated. Studying history we know what happens from here: uprising, no motivation to work, chaos. THAT'S the reason, not to avoid poverty. You want to have more money? Don't have kids

    116. Re: The real problem is by houghi · · Score: 1

      The issue you talk about has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with accountability Any interaction with a police person could be used as an abuse later. That will happen with or without sex. A favorite I see is that they come by and ask stores to sponsor their annual party. Nothing will happen if you do not sponsor, but nobody wants to be the one local store that didn't.

      Sure a police office might abuse his power and have sex with a person, just like a teacher can or a Hollywood director. But if there is accountability, there is less of on issue.

      The larger risk is not the abuse of power to get sex, but the abuse of sex to get power. "Look the other way, or these pictures will be made public." is a much larger risk. If it is legal the implications would be far less serious.

      This also goes for use of e.g. drugs.

      There will always be imbalance of power, be it with a police officer, a manager, a parent or anything else. That is why we have laws: to hold those who abuse it to be held accountable.

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    117. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I do seek to understand the root problem, root cause, and I try to make an informed decision based on the facts, which sometimes leads me to realize there is, in
      fact , no solution

      Except, of course, it is not a "fact" that there is no solution. That is just your opinion, an opinion that demonstrates a key difference between right-leaning and left-leaning thinking

      The facts only present what challenges and issues there are. Whether there is a solution or not is an individual opinion. The right's opinion is usually that the challenges and issues are too hard or not worth the trade offs to address, and say there's "no solution", whereas the left will not be easily deterred, and insist there's just GOT to be a way, where the trade offs are worth it.

      At most, the left might say there's no solution for now, and would proceed to seek ways to help find that solution later. The right on the other hand, are satisfied at stopping at "no solution". The right might even go one step further and take measures to deny the left from seeking new facts that might jeopardize the right's "no solution" conclusion.

      This is why you see anything from climate skeptics (I won't say deniers) rarely put forth their own money to research and disprove all the other scientists, or how the gun lobby not only lobbies against gun control laws, but attempts to research gun violence or mental illness or any other topic that might lead back to pointing at guns as the problem (even though one "solution" the right believes in is "good guys with guns", you don't see many of them pushing for research to prove it)

      Now, on the topic of sex work, you say your first concern is abuse. So are you saying there is no solution to abuse? If that's the case, that's more reason to decriminalize prostitution, as abuse would happen whether or not you criminalize it. With decriminalization, you remove some social stigma associated with sex work, so that's one less vector for abuse.

      You spoke of how government shouldn't be the one forcing or shaping culture. That too is more reason to decriminalize, as government is already shaping culture by making prostitution illegal. It is the more freedom enabling to have government step out of the way and let society and individuals decide just how acceptable sex work is.

      I know I wouldn't use sex workers. But it's none of my business if you or somebody else does (as long as all parties are consenting adults... slavery and human trafficking are already crimes and I don't think anybody is saying we decriminalize those)

    118. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need polygamy for the "elite males" to take all the fine women, leaving lots of men sexually frustrated (protop: lower your standards). We pretty much have that now, the women just take turns with the hotshot guys.

    119. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is being on social networking and that is why I don't indulge. Ahhh, the peace and quiet and privacy.

    120. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article stated that the "sex worker" didn't use Facebook. How would there be a correlation?

    121. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand your perspective; however, how about police and people of power just stop, you know, abusing their power?

    122. Re:The real problem is by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Sure, very rarely somebody is forced via threat of violence into sex work, but the thing is that usually the first or second client is the one to call the police on this, because customers of sex-workers are not complete scum.

      Why would the clients do that? They would be admitting to a crime.

    123. Re:The real problem is by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      If it were really socially acceptable, then no. Nobody keeps their IT job from their family, for example.

    124. Re:The real problem is by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The article said that she didn't have a sex worker profile on Facebook, not that she didn't use it. She used it, but only for her personal account. So when other people who used Facebook showed up in the same locations as her personal phone with its personal account, it (arguably correctly) connected the dots between them and her personal account.

      The moral of the story is that if you're trying to hide what you're doing, don't carry a smartphone, or if you do, don't run apps that track your location.

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    125. Re:The real problem is by Agripa · · Score: 1

      analyzing and publishing public information is not an invasion of privacy, even when done on a massive detailed scale using new technology.

      That will be real reassuring to the victim who gets beaten up, crippled, or killed do to Facebook breaching their privacy. Once there are enough incidents, people might start taking it out on Facebook employees but I guess that is not Facebook's problem.

      Remember this incident?

    126. Re:The real problem is by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      As usual, various media and political groups have interpreted the actual findings to their own benefit. I looked at the source paper. The conclusion is very tenuous and as the authors wrote, "should be interpreted with caution".

      If you look at their data, you will see the scatter plot in Figure 1 which supposedly demonstrates the relationship between legality and trafficking. However, once you ignore the line that they drew on it, you'll see the relationship doesn't actually exist. Every combination of legal status and trafficking volume is represented in the chart.

      So even assuming everything they did to gather this data was perfect, the relationship is still barely there. Setting any sort of public policy based on that is just dumb.

    127. Re:The real problem is by irrational_design · · Score: 1

      But legal and socially acceptable is different than, say, Mom acceptable. It may be socially acceptable to get a tattoo, watch porn, and smoke weed (at least where I live all of those things are socially acceptable and legal), but that doesn't necessarily mean I want my Mom knowing those things about me.

    128. Re:The real problem is by irrational_design · · Score: 1

      It may be socially acceptable to get a tattoo, watch porn, and smoke weed (at least where I live all of those things are socially acceptable and legal), but that doesn't necessarily mean I want my Mom knowing those things about me.

    129. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > split her

      But I just met her!

    130. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicken, meet egg.

      Government should make laws neutral of social and even some moral conventions.

      Only actual harmful things should be outlawed, like murder, theft (while we still have property), etc.

      Outlawing/providing severe penalties for prostitution or weed or copying movies or abortion is immoral to me, and out of scope of what the government should be doing. Many government laws are illegal, like Texas' rules about abortion clinics.

      Now how we change society is a much larger, rougher question: just ask any race in this day and age. But the government should not be allowing things because they are difficult, only when they present a real and present danger.

    131. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to be that guy, but Brockmire asserted a problem without giving any evidence than hearsay. Burden of proof is on that person.

      That you the pointed out the lack of evidence in a post that was pointing out a lack of evidence suggests to me that either you don't do logic or have an incomplete understanding of irony.

    132. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no lying

      Will not happen. Your idealised society is bunk. Humans lie *all the time*. Given that you missed that clue leads me to suspect the other constraints you collectively placed on hypothetical society are equally valueless.

      Captcha: grinding. Somewhat on-topic I guess.

    133. Re: The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impaired driving in Canada, 2015 (201 incidents per 100,000 population; 72,039 total)
      http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14679-eng.htm

      Homicide in Canada, 2015 (1.68 per 100,000 population604 homicide victims)
      http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14668-eng.htm

      Trafficking in persons in Canada, 2014 (0.58 per 100,000 population; 206 violations total)
      http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14641-eng.htm

      As horrible as trafficking is, it is so very minor in comparison to impaired driving and homicides.

    134. Re:The real problem is by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      I guarantee this is what happened:

      1) She contacted a "client" via text or voice with her phone.
      2) She used that phone to access her Facebook.

      And, you're done. That is all that is required for them to link up.

      Yes I know this is true. As soon as I call some clients or text them from my phone they begin to show up in my Facebook recommendations. If I save them as a contact it happens faster, especially if I include both email and phone numbers in the contact.

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    135. Re:The real problem is by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      I love that article you linked to. It is one of the most primitive and ham-handed illustrations of what companies do with a minimal amount of your personal information. In that case they were able to determine when a woman began to believe she is pregnant.

      You think that Facebook doesn't introduce specific targeted "ads" and media to your feed and then figures out how that stimulus changes your your discourse, click patterns, and even word use as a result? You think Facebook doesn't intentionally try to influence your political habits by what they show you? You think that information isn't sold to the people who want to influence your votes and ideas?

      Everything you divulge to them is just another piece of your ass you are cutting off and they are selling back to you through a third party. Its incestuously sick and twisted.

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    136. Re:The real problem is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And there you have swallowed the "Big Lie" whole. The thing is that almost no sex worker is ever "trafficked". That is just a story vomited out by the anti-sex-work propaganda. No matter how often repeated, it is simply not true.

      Wait - youmean LAw and Order Special Victims Unit isn't a documentary?

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    137. Re:The real problem is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The solution to ending Facebook is simple: stop using. Well, simple in theory anyway. Facebook only has as much power as we (I'm speaking in the collective sense here) give it. Stop using it. Convince others to stop using it. While you're at it, perfect cold fusion.

      You might be surprised to see who facebook is tracking. Get NoScript and check out who is tracking you.

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    138. Re: The real problem is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Isn't it already legal in Nevada?

      I have no idea how the locals see it or what regulation there is but wouldn't that be a place to look at what works and what doesn't?

      Yes it is legal.

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    139. Re: The real problem is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Quite well. Northern Europeans score pretty high on the scale of happiness. And they mostly have universal health care.

      No point in arguing with the Trumpian Right winger. Even if you do corner them, they'll just switch to the no true Right wing paradise argument.

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    140. Re: The real problem is by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. You seem like a reasonable individual, how about you talk to them?

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    141. Re: The real problem is by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The best guidance, with rare exceptions, comes from the parents.

      That's bullshit. A huge number of parents in the US are in poverty, 1 in 6 last I heard, precisely because of the bad choices they made which you list (not getting an education, getting pregnant very early, etc.), These parents are not going to provide "the best guidance" for their kids, nor are many other parents who are basically idiots who get their "news" from Alex Jones and the like.

      Families relying on daycare and babysitters is likely quite dangerous to society.

      Right, but there's no way around it unless you want to relegate women to second-class citizen status like they had before, unless you dump the idea of monogamy. Two people, each with a job, just don't have time to watch over young kids all day: you can't be in two places at once.

      Did you ever think why monogamy was not the norm in pre-industrial societies? Perhaps it was this lack of family structure that kept them from advancing.

      They weren't "held back" from advancing. They had a better quality of life. They only adopted agriculture because they were forced to, by a lack of resources. Archeological evidence proves this: pre-agriculture humans were as tall as people are now, but when they adopted agriculture, they lost a full foot in height. It's taken this long to get it back, thanks to better medicine, nutrition standards and knowledge, and food availability. They didn't have monogamy because they didn't need it. They adopted it mainly because of the concept of land ownership and inheritance: men wanted to pass their property to their own progeny, not some other guy's. In a society where people live communally, there's no such concern and if your woman gets pregnant with another guy, it's not a big deal because the kids are raised by the village anyway. That's how it was in Hawaii just a few hundred years ago, before Europeans made contact with them. It probably helped a lot that they didn't have any STDs.

    142. Re: The real problem is by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Polygamy in practice is actually "polygyny", and it's bad because men have all the power and women are chattel, so of course it leads to a huge imbalance with men hording the women. But polyamory isn't bad, because it's equal: women have as much ability to have multiple partners as men, so you don't get an imbalance.

    143. Re:The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why don't you read the article instead of "I guarantee this is what happened:" bollocks?

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    144. Re:The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1


      Yes I know this is true. As soon as I call some clients or text them from my phone they begin to show up in my Facebook recommendations. If I save them as a contact it happens faster, especially if I include both email and phone numbers in the contact.

      Then I would deactivate the facebooks apps access to your contacts.
      Plain and simple ...

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    145. Re: The real problem is by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      1. The thing is that almost no sex worker is ever "trafficked".
      2. There was a problem in Ontario Canada with gangs bringing in girls from other countries and forcing them into stripping and prostitution. Same in Montreal

      Which one of these do you think is more verifiable, almost amounting to evidence in itself?

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    146. Re:The real problem is by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      both :) if its a choice then it's a job. The social stigma with it can't just be fixed overnight so the workaround will be necessary unless you don't care about it ofcourse (say for pr0nstars or something) ... in Utopia it would be a well-paid job that actually gets high regard because it contributes to public safety (yes, in fact it does assuming the pro is pro enough to keep and force it safe) The money some of these girls make is truly something. Look it up, hi class escorts who do overnight, fly around the world, offer "extended girlfriend experience" and such it goes like $1500 a night sometimes ... now maybe some people here make that and Besos wipes his ass with it but id say thats decent money for one night's work. If i ever were a pimp i'd do hi class escort security only. Percentage per service / rendered, including transport lol :D Actually (yea here it goes again, believe what you will ofcourse) i knew someone who used to be a "driver" ... kinda uber joblike in the original meaning of the word. Drive the girl, wait outside, be strong man good fighter if she yells take care and fix the situation, otherwise just wait and drive her back. Pct paid ... easy money, easier money for the driver than for the girl i suppose. I wouldnt have a problem with it ... frankly i dont i would have a problem if my own girlfriend did nothing but solo camshows ... if there's other guys 'poking' around i think that would hit my limit of tolerance. Thing is what i was gonna say : i quit facebook because it kept pushing me with "people i used to know" ... very much based on age category too ... im not hunting the net for lolita but there's something about being kept in a very tight box where you already were and there's also the reason why they are people i "used to" know In her case ... :/ mwell ... i'm gonna assume that despite the algorithmic connection the people in question still were not presented with her alter ego but it must be really scare to have you real life and actual self invaded like that So i suggest she quits facebook xD (and gives me her number , i dont look down on that lol) its a cry for more advanced privacy options, not regulations, i think this is on marky mark to fix himself, out of respect for people making him ichiban-book no need for govt interference ... actually maybe he wants to hire her and maybe some friends or colleagues or people in other "sensitive positions" to get some pointers and pay them a hefty consultancy fee to show facebook CARES how about that , marky ? i think that's good-vertising

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    147. Re: The real problem is by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I'm not even trying to argue, just rubbing it in. :)

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    148. Re: The real problem is by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm not even trying to argue, just rubbing it in. :)

      Then go forth, and enjoy. Just remember not to hurt him too badly, because he just lost his health care - like he demanded...........

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    149. Re:The real problem is by jackyle · · Score: 1

      This is a loophole, the fault that facebook has not overcome and this is a tool for the sick

    150. Re: The real problem is by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Do you just make shit up? Why?

      There are 193 member states in the United Nations.

      Prostitution is legal in 69 countries, and semi/quasi legal in 10 additional countries. That's 79 countries.

      79 is NOT half of 193. Your statement is a lie.

    151. Re: The real problem is by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot:
      http://www.dictionary.com/brow...
      Hope that helps.

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    152. Re: The real problem is by Fringe · · Score: 1
      Your first sentence has nothing to do with the rest of your post, or with this issue.

      The left seems to be against decriminalization more than the right, often citing:

      • Prostitution is inherently misogynistic and demeaning to women. Apparently no woman should be allowed to decide that for herself.
      • Human Trafficking. Some undocumented women are enslaved and forced into prostitution. Not all prostitutes fall into that category, but one hallmark from the left is to regulate more rather than less.
      • Prostitution takes advantage of the downtrodden. In other words, because it's unsavory, only a desperate woman would engage in prostitution. Anyone patronizing a prostitute is, by definition, abusing her. So we must protect her from this option and remove this potential source of survival income.

      No-one is taking a stand for decriminalization. But most of the outrage these days focuses on protecting women, immigrants and the downtrodden, rather than on the NIMBY morality of the right wing.

    153. Re: The real problem is by Gussington · · Score: 1

      No, i don't approach issues, including this one, as if it's never been done before, or it's me, deserving a first fix. But I do seek to understand the root problem, root cause, and I try to make an informed decision based on the facts, which sometimes leads me to realize there is, in fact , no solution. Which may be the case in this instance. But each of us easily considers our intentions as better than others', and our understanding as more nuanced and more informed. Sometimes agreement is acceptable when when it's not quite what you want.

      Ok so let's dig a little deeper and see if we can find a 'solution'. First up is that any solution doesn't have to be perfect. Solutions are generally about improvement, usually preferring long term improvement over short term
      So let's break down your statement and I'll explain why I have a problem with it (nothing personal, the context is problem/solution)

      my first concern with prostitution is the inherent risk of abuse

      Ok so there's risk. Like fighting fires or lifting heavy objects, there are measures that be used to minimise these risks, and those measure are almost always implemented and enforced by the government. And they work.

      Removing the stigma is, or should be, out of scope for government intervention

      Why? The purpose of a government is to provide a net improvement to the quality of life those people it governs. Is there some religious reason you think the government can only get invovled some times?

      but when it is used to dictate or shape society or culture, it is no longer freedom,

      And here we have found the root cause of the issue. I heard a couple of phrases the other day when analysing the Las Vegas massacre that I think are relevant here. "Freedom fundamentalism" and "free settler mythology".
      So firstly fundamentalism, who are you to say what "freedom" is? We have this word thrown about all the time like Jihadis and Allahu Akbar. True Freedom is a jungle where everyone and everything does whatever it likes with no rules. In this environment people suffer. Is this the solution you propose?
      Secondly the free settler mythology which you implied with the comment:

      and our nation has become something it was not intended to be

      Again says who? And why? I believe the Founding Fathers wanted a better way. And that's it. If you want things to be better, then the primary goal should not be about Jihad or Freedom or 72 virgins, it should be about improvement ie. Problem/Solution

      Now, the question of whether prostitution is a moral or ethical profession is one to be left to the culture and society. resolving that could make the work safer.

      And who governs that culture and society?
      The simple fact that the government has enacted laws has already influence society and culture. I'd be interested to know how this fits into the Freedom ideology?

    154. Re:The real problem is by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 1

      " Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all"
      No, it was not on Facebook. I would agree with you on using separate devices, browsers, etc for the different identities. Facebook is likely rummaging through her cookies and found the other email, which was also found on the devices of her clients.

    155. Re:The real problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the fact that many sex workers in Thailand are sold into it for drug money by their parents is a myth? I guess my own damn eyes have been deceived. I must have been drunk.
      But please, keep believing your own self delusion that women (or men) love sex work because they're naturally into it.

    156. Re: The real problem is by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      And when you're old, and need assistance? all that money goes to getting someone to take care of you. You spend either way.

    157. Re: The real problem is by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      >Dammit, now I have to watch Firefly again.

      This happens to me every few years. And it's wonderful every time. :)

  3. Facial Recognition by crow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is probably due to someone posting a photo with both people in it. Facebook will use facial recognition on photos, and when it sees two people in the same photo, I would expect it to suggest a connection.

    1. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Who in their right mind (client or sex worker) would post a picture online of them being together? It is much more likely that the Facebook App used location data, and saw these two people together for a certain time on a certain location. Which is exactly what the article suggested.

      AC, because I moderated already.

    2. Re: Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice dubs

    3. Re:Facial Recognition by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Honestly I think I know a number of men who would pay to be filmed in some staged sex act. All it takes is one. And of course he's going to put it online.

    4. Re:Facial Recognition by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      People filming themselves having sex and then posting it online? That's unpossible.

      If that existed, how could you possibly sell porn, there'd be pages where you can watch people shag for free.

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    5. Re:Facial Recognition by crow · · Score: 2

      It could be a non-sexual photo of the two together. It could even be some unrelated person who took a picture where the two are seen in the background. It could also be that Facebook is lying and they are using location data or data gathered from contacts or other apps. Of course, it's not like anyone should need this reason to avoid the Facebook apps and just use the web browser.

    6. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combined with geo location and timestamp it's even more powerful

    7. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd guess GPS in phones; some algorithm is guessing two people who tend to be in the same location at the same time are likely to know each other. Like coworkers, classmates, people at AA meetings, and that creepy guy outside your window.

    8. Re:Facial Recognition by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Somehow I doubt this, unless this particular user happened to have a photo snapped with an acquaintance of a client...

      Ultimately, Facebook is predicated on connections, and avoiding connections is in direct opposition to their business model. Good luck circumventing that. Even my LinkedIn account regularly gets unexpected and essentially random connections presented to me, especially for my work email which I inherited from a now departed employee who gets a lot of alumni-connected referrals from a university that refuses to remove me form the lists it distributes - even though there is virtually no advantage for their 'clients' to spam me, I'm not an alumnus, won't buy their whatever, and see them reselling lists, a fundamental spam problem, and I'm reminded weekly that they have no honor.

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    9. Re:Facial Recognition by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think even without Facebook facial recognition, if anyone who knew her (professionally) and was trolling the local people on face book, may have noticed her picture, and request to friend and contact them.

      This is a service designed to find people and make connections. If you are a Sex worker, then Facebook will probably still find a way to connect you. Even using non-Advanced technology.

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    10. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More likely she mixed her email accounts on the same device. All it takes is one tracking cookie in a browser or a emails from both accounts to the same recipient..

    11. Re:Facial Recognition by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Maybe Facebook noticed those two people together on multiple occasions, and at different locations. That would be evidence that they might know each other.

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    12. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It happens with targetted adverts as well. I started receiving ads based on "dealing with a relative with terminal cancer" and other things. It wasn't until that I visited my parents that they told me one of their cats wasn't well and wasn't going to make it. They didn't want to tell me until I was back home. They had never called me to tell me, so it has to do with voice recognition or Email text processing combined with graph networks of friends and connections.

    13. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How much porn is actually produced by a client and a sex worker? Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it something like the norm. No. Try searching for hooker/client amateur porn. While available, it is so much easier to find than commercially produced porn with pornstars, etc...

      A privacy minded sex worker is absolutely not going to do porn shoots with clients...

      Granted, technically, a porn actress is a sex worker, but I doubt we're talking about those kind of sex worker here: we are most likely talking about ladies for the night.

    14. Re:Facial Recognition by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "This is probably due to someone posting a photo with both people in it. Facebook will use facial recognition on photos, and when it sees two people in the same photo, I would expect it to suggest a connection."

      Facial Recognition?
      In this special case the technology used might be Dick Pic Recognition.

    15. Re:Facial Recognition by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh please, you think they'd ask the ho if she's ok with being filmed?

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    16. Re:Facial Recognition by nospam007 · · Score: 0

      "I'd guess GPS in phones; some algorithm is guessing two people who tend to be in the same location at the same time are likely to know each other. "

      I live on the 45 floor and I don't know the people living on the exact same GPS spot in the lower floors.

    17. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Unless the sex worker is being filmed with a hidden camera, she know about the production of the x-rated material. If she knows it, she knows it can be leaked to the Internet. I doubt we are talking about those kind of sex workers. We are talking about the classic escort, or lady for the night.

      Still, material like the one you describe is not allowed on Facebook. Try posting porn on Facebook and wait how quickly it's removed.

      They might still analyze banned videos/pictures, but then it's really bad judgement of Facebook to use that data to link people. Or are you suggesting that Facebook analyzes videos on PornHub, XHamster, YouPorn, RedTube and what not?

    18. Re:Facial Recognition by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it was Whatsapp conversation metadata, if this woman uses just one cell phone...

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    19. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That highly depends. I'm sure there are arseholes doing that. I am also quite sure they are in a minority, judging on the relatively low amount secret-camera client/hooker porn.

      Still, see my argument above: Those kind of pictures/videos are not allowed on Facebook. Try posting porn on Facebook and see how long it last. So, they analyze the unauthorized content and draw conclusions from that? That would be really bad judgement of Facebooks part. (Obviously not impossible) Are you suggesting they go out and analyze third party content as on the different PornTubes? That is highly unlikely.

      While I'm sure that people film themselves shagging, and there surely will be hookers in those movies, Facebook should simply not have access to such material as per their own policies.

    20. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more likely, two people travelling along the same road in the same vehicle and arriving at the same locations at the same time, leaving at the same time, etc.

    21. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stup1d wh0res, that's who

    22. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is exactly what the article (and original AC, which is me) suggested. It is correlating positional data from the Smartphone Apps, and making suggestions based on that.

    23. Re:Facial Recognition by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I think Facebook also uses location information essentially tracking your movements and suggesting people that you cross paths with on multiple occasions.

      I'm not sure about that. That was my conclusion a while back when Facebook suggested that I friend a bunch of people that I didn't know. Then I realized that a number of the people it was suggesting were people who lived in my apartment building or worked in the same building, or even people who work on the same block as I do. It was a bunch of people that I didn't know and had nothing in common with, and the only link that I could think of is physical proximity.

      Maybe I came to the wrong conclusion and there was some other link that Facebook was operating on, but the link was certainly something non-obvious and covert.

    24. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell they could just be together in the background of someones Look at Me I'm in a Fancy Restaurant" selfie.

    25. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad mate, we're still recommending them to you.
                - facebook

    26. Re:Facial Recognition by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      So, let's assume they actually do what you're guessing. Why? Do you really think it's so handy to let you know that person A you seem to meet up with regularly is also on Facebook? If you're meeting up with them personally and want to friend them on Facebook, you can ask them. Or search for them there by name.

      It's almost as if Facebook is doing this 'just because they can'. Perhaps assuming people will think it's cool that Facebook is so 'smart'. It's not cool - it's creepy.

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    27. Re:Facial Recognition by drnb · · Score: 2

      I live on the 45 floor and I don't know the people living on the exact same GPS spot in the lower floors.

      Its not really the exact same GPS spot, GPS is three dimensional and includes a vertical component. That would be a serious bug to only consider lattitude and longitude.

    28. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a little more effort you could filter out places with too many matches or places that are obviously large apartment/office buildings. Facebook definitely does use correlated location data to recommend friends. (Or some other source of information that looks exactly like them using location data.)

    29. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering if one of her clients was looking her up, creating a link, and are part of a group of regulars who know each other; thereby inserting her into that group.

    30. Re:Facial Recognition by crow · · Score: 1

      They say they don't track your location for suggesting friends, but that doesn't mean they won't use geotagging embedded in any photo you upload to effectively do the same thing.

    31. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GPS is only two dimensional in your country? Who knew!

    32. Re:Facial Recognition by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      Or possibly there's an even easier explanation. When she says she uses 2 different email accounts, are those email accounts both configured on the same phone? Or if different phones, did she ever even send an email from one profile to the other (perhaps intending to send some link/login/whatever to the other account to more easily facilitate configuring the account), thus putting one of her accounts into the address book of the other? If so, then facebook can easily correllate the 2nd address with her primary address when it accesses the contacts (which you give it permission to do). Then when her clients setup their own facebook profile and give it permission to see their address book, it sees the same address in their book. I've noticed that facebook LOVES to show friend-of-a-friend suggestions. TADA!!!!

    33. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main culprit is likely gps. The other is whatsapp. Given call logs, if there was one call, one mistake, to a common relative or friend, to a shared voicemail, it'll tie everything together between the two accounts. It doesn't even have to be direct, aka a low number degree of separation, and the connection can be made..

    34. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely due to her and the john sending the same wifi mac address on their fb enabled smart phones with the same time stamp. Indicating their presence in the same room or house at the same time. Or their GPS locations. If your phone is uploading this information, associating people is fairly easy.

    35. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One time my apartment was robbed by my next-door neighbours. After that happened, Facebook started showing them as "people you might know". I imagine one likely scenario is that Facebook knew that they were inside my house and assumed they were invited in.

    36. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is why i uninstall facebook when i'm not using it

    37. Re:Facial Recognition by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Do you really think it's so handy to let you know that person A you seem to meet up with regularly is also on Facebook? ... It's not cool - it's creepy.

      It sounds like you think you're arguing with me, but my point is that I think they're doing something creepier than facial recognition of photos. Doing facial recognition on photos at least requires that someone is intentionally interacting with Facebook and posting personal information (in photographic form), which Facebook is then just analyzing. I'm suggesting that Facebook is spying on your location without notifying you, perhaps even when not posting, perhaps even when the Facebook app isn't open. That's way worse.

    38. Re:Facial Recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vertical component is notoriously inaccurate. The horizontal component is very accurate. But, facebook wouldn't care about the difference.

  4. Simple fix by Train0987 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't use Facebook.

    1. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's not a fix anymore. They have managed to build profiles on almost anyone. How do they know your bank account information if you don't have a FB account? How do they know it if you do and have never used your bank account with it? This has gone beyond scary.

    2. Re:Simple fix by wiggles · · Score: 0, Troll

      Simpler fix - don't be a prostitute.

    3. Re:Simple fix by Kenja · · Score: 2

      You think you can block him? His style is stronger!

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    4. Re:Simple fix by silvergeek · · Score: 2

      Yes, I agree. Facebook is a drug. It has seductive benefits, but often it is better to quit the addiction than to let it ruin your life. (I chose to leave Facebook for several reasons, and find that I can live without it. And have more hours in the day!)

    5. Re:Simple fix by Teun · · Score: 1

      As you can read in a posting further down this is insufficient.

      Dense people that have you in their address list share it with Facebook and you have been assimilated...

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    6. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Simpler fix - don't be a prostitute.

      Prostitutes are more moral than clergy.

      But one practices a victimless crime while the latter can rip people off with impunity because of "religious freedom".

    7. Re:Simple fix by torkus · · Score: 1

      It's trivial to 'fix' this 'problem' and the whole article is an attention grab or just idiocy by the 'victim'.

      “People can always control who can send them friend requests by visiting their account settings,” said the spokesperson. “If they select ‘no one,’ they won’t appear in others’ People You May Know.”

      Derp. So if it's such a bit worry maybe they should just check the help area, google, or RTFA written about their 'victimhood'. SMH.

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    8. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People genuinely think that all they need to defy facebook is a few checkboxes, "I didn't click the thing", and incognito mode.

      People genuinely think that they're fine because they "barely use facebook".

      People genuinely think that facebook/facebook.com is all that matters, and other socnets are fine. They don't think anything about the purely "metrics" companies at all, merely by ignorance. Hey, you can't even do stuff on their website, it just says boring stuff about vendor contacts and buzzwords.

      One of my throwaway emails has a throwaway twitter that I never used. I don't actually understand RTs and conversation threads there. But on the day of creation I think my friend followed it, or followed himself with it. I've looked in that email account and it's been getting regular "Check out X" from twitter. Sometimes it's celebrities, sometimes it's him or his family. Or things he likes. WWE. Kevin Smith. It paints a picture of him. It mentions siblings he doesn't follow, because they're convicts. It includes post content, so twitter is keeping me up on his/etc's opinions on pregnancy and such. I don't even have to open the emails, the one line preview parse gets it all.

      I didn't do shit and I have a glass cup held against the door. Imagine what dedicated actors can do. Imagine what people with access above "user" (just leveraging APIs, even) can do. Finally, imagine the vista available to those running the panopticons, or buying from them.

      tldr: Of course facebook fucking knows, lady. If it trickled down to you, the tethers existed in several forms/places. Hell, you probably created both accounts on the same phone.

      "They can see that?"

    9. Re:Simple fix by torkus · · Score: 1

      What would I do on a Friday night then?

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    10. Re:Simple fix by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not only that, they're also generally more useful for the society.

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    11. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it probably doesn't matter anymore. facebook's membership has reached 'critical mass'.

      someone who is on facebook can post pictures of *anyone* regardless of their own facebook membership status.. faces on photos get tagged; and you're fucked. then facebook does their cross-site tracking via embedded like buttons, cross referencing to theirs and other databases, and other mojo, and boom. instant shadow profile with more data on you than you thought possible.

    12. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simplest fix: Don't be a judgemental prick.

    13. Re:Simple fix by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Translation:

      "Simple fix: Don't have a social life."

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    14. Re:Simple fix by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I love how religious freedom gets put in scare quotes, like it's something bad. Islamophobia really has progressed far, hasn't it?

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    15. Re:Simple fix by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Islamophobia really has progressed far, hasn't it?

      It has, but we've got to keep pushing. One day, all superstitions will be equally mocked and their followers shunned. Until then, all we can do is spread the word.

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    16. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how sjws blast everything as islamophobia as if the Catholics don't have a problem with roving rape priests, and the Protestants don't have a problem with televangelists living in giant mansions and driving expensive cars while reminding everyone else that their god loves big tippers so put a 20 in the plate.

    17. Re:Simple fix by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that is too simplistic of a response. What about people would would like to maintain separation between their public and private personas? Actors, or teachers come to mind.

    18. Re:Simple fix by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Maybe the GP understands an ACTUAL social life involves more than posting selfies and cat videos...

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    19. Re:Simple fix by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why not? It pays well, it's possible to work around other commitments (e.g. university), it can be done as self-employment and you can stop whenever you choose.

      I'm sure that it can be physically demanding at times, occasionally boring and involves some working relationships that people would prefer to avoid but that goes for all jobs.

    20. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Don't use Facebook, and don't have any Friends that use Facebook, or any Schools that use Facebook or homeowner's associations that use Facebook.

      The generalization of this solution = Delete Facebook from the Internet. Where do I click for that?

    21. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't break the law.

      Nothing wrong with being a prostitute in places where prostitution is legal. Nor is there anything wrong with participating in correct political processes aimed at making prostitution legal.

      Also, if you've got something to hide, don't use social networking. Addicts adamantly insist that avoiding sites like facebook leaves one alone and miserable. This is patently false.

    22. Re:Simple fix by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      Unless you volunteer to educate users before they sign up to Facebook, it is a problem and not easily solved.

      No one can send friend requests, that's the setting you want them to change? That's why people join Facebook in the first place. If everyone does this, the site doesn't function.

      I'm guessing you don't understand people generally, that they confuse you.

    23. Re:Simple fix by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People use social media to organize social events. If you don't want to participate your only option is to keep bugging them for updates (because they will forget to text/email/call you).

      The best I've been able to manage is to convince them to use WattsApp because at least it is encrypted and semi-private.

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    24. Re:Simple fix by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      I love how religious freedom gets put in scare quotes, like it's something bad. Islamophobia really has progressed far, hasn't it?

      Those aren't "scare quotes" : they are quotation marks to indicate the blatant falsity of the slogan. Those who trumpet their need for religious freedom invariably are demanding freedom to make everyone follow the rules of their own religion.

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    25. Re:Simple fix by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My ex did a paper as part of her masters about sex workers. A surprising percentage of private room bookings did not involve a sex act so much as a counseling session. These girls were discreet and honestly cheaper than a shrink.

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    26. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's take a look at this simple decision: 1) give up Facebook, or 2) give up source of income.

      If you're so attached to Facebook that you would give up being able to pay your rent, then you really have learned how to become a slave. Given your attitude, are you sure that sucking dick isn't the best thing for you? You don't have to accept pay, if you don't want to.

      I do have to admit that "amateur prostitute" really does sound cooler than "slut." Maybe this is your calling.

    27. Re:Simple fix by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Cool. Then do a group. People can mark if they attend. No need for ANY personal information or even an FB account, other than the generic account for the group, right? Why do you need a full online social media presence?

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    28. Re:Simple fix by torkus · · Score: 1

      No one can send friend requests, that's the setting you want them to change? That's why people join Facebook in the first place. If everyone does this, the site doesn't function.

      The original complaint is 'people are finding me on social media' with the addendum of 'it's not the people I personally want because of a very specific set of parameters'

      If you don't want to be found on social media, you shouldn't be on there. If you're an exception case due to your profession then maybe you should educate YOURSELF regarding your needs before joining.

      I don't understand people who expect everything they do should be exactly appropriate for their specific and uncommon situation.

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    29. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, unfortunately not. I've never had any social media account (well maybe/probably google "upgraded" some of my gmail account to google+, but I never used those, and am not planning to either) other than a linkedin account.

      Last year my father died and I got access to *his* facebook account, which to my surprise* was filled with suggestions of people *I* knew, friends colleagues etc., and I can say without much doubt that my father didn't know them. So somehow facebook was able to link those people, and as far as I know, my dad and friends didn't have photos of me on their facebook. Machine learning for the win Zuck?

      *I guess the real surprise is that this sort of ML crap still surprises me.

    30. Re:Simple fix by wonkavader · · Score: 1

      Fly to Reno on a Friday afternoon. The plane is full of attractive women.

    31. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how religious freedom gets put in scare quotes, like it's something bad. Islamophobia really has progressed far, hasn't it?

      Those aren't "scare quotes" : they are quotation marks to indicate the blatant falsity of the slogan. Those who trumpet their need for religious freedom invariably are demanding freedom to make everyone follow the rules of their own religion.

      or to justify discrimination against others, as practiced by the radical jihadi fundamentalist "christians"

      Just take any republican bill in the last few decades, reverse the meaning of its name, and voila - the true intent.

    32. Re:Simple fix by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      An actual social life involves dealing with actual people. If you know more than a few actual people outside your family, you probably know at least one Facebook user, not necessarily a particularly active one. You may find that lots of the actual people you know are on Facebook, and it works for them, and if you complain about being left out you will be told to just get a Facebook account by your friend or acquaintance. The selfies and cat videos are not actually required by Facebook's ToS, and many people post things of substance.

      One thing Facebook is good at is reviving old connections. Those of you with friends that are real and human can find themselves drifting out of touch with someone, and Facebook is more likely to find your friend again than anything else I know that doesn't involve hiring a private investigator.

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    33. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... you forgot the rest of your thought, here, I will fill it in for you: "and do not be related to our friends/coworkers with anyone who uses facebook, or any of their friends and relatives that may use facebook, Do not allow yourself to be in the background of any pictures taken by anyone who may use facebook, or any of their friends or relatives."

    34. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's no longer scary, it's illegal (should be in the US too) and against the accepted norms of the society.

    35. Re:Simple fix by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know lots of Facebook users! And yet, I have a perfectly fine social life without Facebook. I use the phone app on my phone, and don't have a problem organizing parties and such without the use of Facebook. As far as those old connections - I tend to let the old ones become old because I really don't want to socialize with those people anymore. Quality over quantity, perhaps?

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    36. Re:Simple fix by Wintermute__ · · Score: 1

      Or law enforcement officers. Basically anyone who deals with the public as part of their profession can be subject to unwanted attention.

    37. Re:Simple fix by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well,
      I see no conflict :)
      If I was a female, I probably would worship Isis and Ishtar, too!
      And don't you agree that the spelling of worship is a bit 'odd' :)

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    38. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So to keep Facebook from identifying her private identity to her johns as a person they might know, this woman has to turn off friend requests on her personal-use account?

      How many people turn off friend requests? Sure it's easy, almost as easy as not having a facebook account. But should this woman have to block all attempts of friends and family to "friend" her just so Facebook stops identifying her real name to her johns? Why isn't there an option to disable "you might know this person" and why isn't it defaulted as disabled?

    39. Re:Simple fix by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Can confirm sex workers don't always actually have sex with clients. Source: have paid sex workers for (non-erotic) massage, to talk to me and drink champagne after a really shit day at work, and just to sing and dance with me at a karaoke bar. They're generally pretty happy to do stuff other than sex. One time, the girl was like, "So, are we going to have sex now?" and seemed disappointed that I wasn't actually interested in going there. The didn't let me go without a kiss on the lips, though.

    40. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a fix. By ignoring stupid social media, you ignore stupid social media. Sounds like a fix to me.

    41. Re:Simple fix by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And, since not having a Facebook account works for you, it works for everyone. Otherwise, what you said is irrelevant.

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    42. Re:Simple fix by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Well, it can definitely work for everyone - it seemed to do so just a few years ago. If you're concerned about the overarching reach/tracking of Facebook - then get off of it. It's not the "kiss of death/must-have-website" that most make it out to be. But like all addictions, it probably is really hard to give up...

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    43. Re:Simple fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get Facebook. I have Facebook, I just don't get it.

  5. She probably has a gmail account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe she should stop using gmail?

  6. she said by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    but she's probably telling the truth.

    1. Re:she said by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Why would she lie?
      For this article she is admitting that she is already a sex worker.

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  7. Don't use facebook for such service by scourfish · · Score: 1

    I have no problem with people's chosen professions. Free country, free to exchange goods and services, and free to engage in known workplace risks for such, yadda yadda yadda. For something so socially stigmatized and illegal, though, it would be better to use a more secure and privacy oriented platform to connect with clients.

    1. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by Software · · Score: 1

      You missed the line in the summary: "Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all".

    2. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Read TFS again (don't even need to read TFA, I didn't either). She only has a "private" profile. Not one of her "professional" service. Only one where she is Mrs. Normal living a normal life, with a normal job, normal friends, normal hobbies...

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    3. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read it again. She did not use Facebook to connect with clients - her sex worker 'alter ego' did not have an account at all.

    4. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For something so socially stigmatized and illegal, though, it would be better to use a more secure and privacy oriented platform to connect with clients.

      Yeah, except you didn't seem to bother reading the summary, where it says she didn't use FB for that at all...

    5. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      But her face is the same whether she uses her professional identity or her sex work identity. (Unless she puts a bag over her head.)

      I suggested above that Facebook may suggest that they might know each other if Facebook can detect that their cell phones were in close proximity, on multiple occasions, and especially at multiple locations.

      So it's not enough to not have one of your identities online, you must also use separate mobile phones for each of your identities.

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    6. Re:Don't use facebook for such service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to wonder what email she uses for her sex-worker identity. Google, for example asks for a real email address when setting up the account. Did she use her actual email when setting up the account? hat information did she provide for the second phone she uses?

      I setup a google email ages ago to receive mail from a friend of a friend who is fond of sending out cat videos and links to sales on Samsung SSD's or monitors mixed in with 2 girls-1cup kind of thing.

      I setup a Facebook account ages ago, and it immediately popped up with several names of people who I've never met nor emailed, but are also on the CC list of that friend of a friend who only knows me through that google email address. And all the people in the you may know list were also on that friend's cc list.

      So, maybe it wasn't Facebook scanning the internet for her so much as information provided by the provider of the sex-worker email account or phone account's billing info, or perhaps information shared by whatever entity she does her sex business through.

      I also suspect that some of her clients may have posted her sex-worker email account on their own Facebook pages. Surely she's aware that guys talk about the prostitutes they use, and give recommendations.

      In other words, I blame everyone.

  8. Seriously, read the book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author of "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" got hired by Facebook to revamp their advertising system by combining Facebook's logged in and anonymous user data with third-party demographic data. If you think you're browsing Facebook anonymously, the advertising system knows who you are. If the advertising system knows who you are, so does the recommendation system.

  9. Close personal account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For this exact reason people should close their personal accounts. FB has gone too far in making links, even with accounts between their different programs.

    Plus their mega-bloat-loaded apps degrade phone performance...

  10. Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is so simple it hurts. She carried her phone with her while performing sex work. Facebook tracks its user's phones locations. When Facebook saw her phone and her customer's phone spent time in the same location, it connected them. No conspiracy theories needed.

    She needs to have a vanilla phone and a sex work phone, and only carry the appropriate phone at the appropriate time.

    1. Re:Simple answer by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a felony wiretapping crime...

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    2. Re:Simple answer by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      She needs to have a vanilla phone and a sex work not-smartphone, and only carry the appropriate phone at the appropriate time.

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    3. Re:Simple answer by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      If there was nobody putting alligator clips on a telephone line, it wasn't wiretapping. Remember Trump's delusion on this subject?

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    4. Re:Simple answer by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

      Only if it's done by a 'regular' person. Big corporations are excepted from this law. You should know by now.

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    5. Re:Simple answer by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      She consented to installing their software and allowing it to watch her every move. She installed their software and gave it whatever permissions it wanted. She ran it. She brought her computer, running that software, with her to work.

      The other people she was with, did the same thing. Everyone did everything they could think of, to help give this information to Facebook.

      You're saying that if you and I both agree to allow a third party to surveil us, we bring our bugs with us and know they're operating, and then this third party pays attention to the data that our computers sent (with our knowledge and consent) that's felony wiretapping?!

      If two-party consent isn't enough, then how many is? Should they have gotten a notary with them in the room, to sign a form that they both agree to have their computers sharing where they are?

      Face it: people went to a lot of trouble to opt in. They definitely did it, and not accidentally and not without their knowledge. There was informed consent in every single meaningful way. Except: they just didn't think about all the consequences.

      And now you want to not only blame the party that they selected to share data with, but use force against them too? Geez, you people can't be trusted with any power at all.

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    6. Re:Simple answer by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Facebook needs to have an options panel that users can use to turn off tracking. She shouldn't have to jump through hoops to have Facebook ignore her.

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    7. Re:Simple answer by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I try to stay away from the deranged ramblings of nil-whits, so I have no knowledge of what Trump may have said on the subject.

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    8. Re:Simple answer by gweihir · · Score: 1

      True. I stand corrected.

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    9. Re:Simple answer by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a felony wiretapping crime...

      Perhaps back in the days. Nowadays attitude is "wiretapping" is standard for govt agencies, it seems people complain with private companies do this (govt agencies is a given). Of course the wires are not tapped with alligator clips, unless making connection to the POTS lines.

      Speaking of back in the days, I remember when the attitude was police, FBI, etc. better get a court order to wiretap or they really need to keep it secret. Otherwise it will completely tank whatever incriminating evidence. To get a feel of this past attitude, watch "The Anderson Tapes" from early 70s. Police get word of a massive robbery/burglary operation in a upscale townhome complex, while going through the basement, they find a tape recorder, headsets, sound equipment with wires connected to telephone line panel, a police chief says "whoever is doing this, they better have a warrent!" Then later the Snoops who are gathering all these recordings then proceed to erase all of it because they'd be in big trouble if caught. Nowadays, authorities wouldn't care except they want a copy for themselves.

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    10. Re:Simple answer by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It was very firmly established that "wiretapping" meant tapping a wire, i.e. putting alligator clips on a POTS line, and therefore Trump's claim that Obama's people wiretapped him were false.

      "The lawyers and counsel at the NSA surely would be talking to the lawyers and members of counsel at CIA, or at the National Security Council or at the Director of National Intelligence or at the FBI," he said. "It's unbelievable of the level and degree of the administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team and his transition team. This is really, really serious stuff."

      Michael Doran, former NSC senior director, told TheDCNF Monday that "somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics." This "was a stream of information that was supposed to be hermetically sealed from politics and the Obama administration found a way to blow a hole in that wall," he said.

      Doran charged that potential serious crimes were undertaken because "this is a leaking of signal intelligence."

      "That's a felony," he told TheDCNF. "And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We're not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. Bigger than the crime, is the breach of public trust."

      Waurishuk said he was most dismayed that "this is now using national intelligence assets and capabilities to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president."

      "We're looking at a potential constitutional crisis from the standpoint that we used an extremely strong capability that's supposed to be used to safeguard and protect the country," he said. "And we used it for political purposes by a sitting president. That takes on a new precedent."

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    11. Re:Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not enough. If Facebook can get access to cell tower connection logs (probably not much of a stretch), they can simply correlate the active time for one phone with the non-moving time of the other, establishing a relationship between the two. You basically just need to build a complete model of every person's activities, identify blank spots in those model, and fit the unknowns to the gaps.

      What you really need is a network of programmable cellular antennas, preferably on a mix of fixed and mobile locations, that can simulate your typical behavior. Instead of going dark, you switch over to the simulator. Even better, you can just get in the habit of always running the simulator at certain times to have some control over the model that is built of your activities. You just have to make sure not to do anything during those times that could tip off Facebook that you're in two places at once and one of you might be a fake.

      Or just submit to your Facebook overlords, it's not like you'll have a choice much longer...

    12. Re:Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to see the Zuck do time.

    13. Re:Simple answer by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If Facebook can get access to cell tower connection logs (probably not much of a stretch)

      How is Facebook going to access cell tower connection logs? You think AT&T will give it to them?

      Facebook and others tracker users via websites, I.P. adresses, cookies, etc. Or via apps, GPS coordinates, etc. There's none of those on a dumb flip phone for Facebook to access.

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    14. Re:Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Facebook going to access cell tower connection logs? You think AT&T will give it to them?

      You need some imagination. Everything with value is available for sale. Regulations come into play, but if you "anonymize" the data, you can usually still sell it to a third party. And then the third party can de-anonymize it to some extent through analysis and/or merging it with data from other sources. And then that gets sold to Facebook, which then merges it with the data they collect and data purchased from other sources.

      Facebook and others tracker users via websites, I.P. adresses, cookies, etc. Or via apps, GPS coordinates, etc. There's none of those on a dumb flip phone for Facebook to access.

      Which is why you need the cell tower connection data... Facebook knows this, the third party data providers know this, and the cell companies know this. You really expect them to just throw up their hands and walk away from piles of cash? You have far more faith in humanity than anyone else around here.

    15. Re:Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Facebook going to access cell tower connection logs? You think AT&T will give it to them?

      No, they sell it to them.

  11. Jeopardy!: Austin Rogers loses today. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    He loses to Scarlett Sims. The FJ answer is "What's A Wonderful Life."

  12. Their app reads your contacts... by emil · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and this is how it knows who you associate with. In later versions of Android (and perhaps in iOS), you can deny permissions to read your contacts, but the app will likely work hard to get around that.

    If you have contacts on your phone that you don't want Facebook to know about, then you must not load their app

    - only access them through a dedicated, privacy-focused web browser (or an equivalent sandboxing app).

    I like FaceSlim on F-Droid. I would never, ever run their app. That thing is a monster.

    1. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. I have two accounts. One which I've used for years on my personal laptop, and a second one I recently created behind a VPN and which I've only used from a separate laptop, within a private Chrome tab, with no personal details at all. There is absolutely no link between the two accounts, other than my own eyes looking at both. No pics, no FB app, nothing.

      Two weeks after I created the new account, FB started suggesting friends from my old account. I'm not sure how they do it but it's truly terrifying.

    2. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS won't let an application read your contacts without you agreeing to it, and it's been that way for over five years now. If you don't want Facebook to access your contacts on iOS, you can still use the application on your phone, just don't approve the permission dialog.

      Of course, the same works in reverse, so if they have you in their contacts, then Facebook can still make the association if you have told Facebook your phone number (which also isn't accessible to iOS devices automatically). Facebook may even infer your phone number from your Facebook friends' contacts if they give permission.

      The safest thing to do is to separate your identities as much as possible, and that includes using separate phone numbers. You can use a VOIP phone to do this fairly easily.

    3. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      I.P. address? Similar browsing habits on both laptops?

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    4. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by phorm · · Score: 1

      I've actually being wondering about whether I can run messenger on my phone now that the permissions model is better honed. Why would this not work if you deny the app contacts/location permissions?

    5. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      It's not just contacts:

      1. inbound/outbound phone #s
      2. Location information (proximity)
      3. IP address (connected to same wireless network)

      There are plenty of tricks to determine that two people have been in close proximity when you can access data from their phone.

    6. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Cley+Faye · · Score: 1

      I forcefully disabled every permissions on the FB Messenger app, and it works fine. I'd say it's pretty safe (as long as FB doesn't actively try to work around the permissions system).

    7. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by jittles · · Score: 1

      ...and this is how it knows who you associate with. In later versions of Android (and perhaps in iOS), you can deny permissions to read your contacts, but the app will likely work hard to get around that.

      If you have contacts on your phone that you don't want Facebook to know about, then you must not load their app

      - only access them through a dedicated, privacy-focused web browser (or an equivalent sandboxing app).

      I like FaceSlim on F-Droid. I would never, ever run their app. That thing is a monster.

      This is not the only way that Facebook divines this info, first of all. Secondly, I know I am relatively new here in comparison to you but did you even RTFS? She uses a different number for these people, likely a different phone all together. I can't imagine anyone who goes to the lengths that this woman is going to would be foolish enough to use the same phone to live both her personal and professional life. I know from personal experience that Facebook has suggested that I might know neighbors that I definitely did not know. I would run into them walking my dog. Some I knew their first names, others I did not even know that much. But I saw them every day and recognized their faces. I did not know their phone numbers, they did not know mine. Yet one day Facebook suggested multiple neighbors that I wouldn't have even considered acquaintances. Unless these neighbors were going through my locked mailbox, they had no way of knowing my info in order to search for me on Facebook. I had no way of searching for them either.

    8. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They might be using canvas fingerprinting. There are add-ons to block it. I use CanvasFingerprintBlock.

      Canvas fingerprinting works in incognito mode, works with ad-blockers, works if you block cookies, works if you use a VPN... And if you install a blocker you will quickly find that a large proportion of sites are trying to use it.

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    9. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by rmsilva123 · · Score: 1

      Not only contacts, but the CALL LOG. Look up the app's permissions in google play. It basically has access to EVERYTHING, including the call log and SMS. So if she ever called a client on her personal phone (even if blocking her caller ID) or sent/received an SMS, etc., then FB would have data to connect her to the client(s). That being said TFA says FB uses "100 indicators" for PYMK. So that probably includes not only the obvious data from phones (location, contacts, call log, SMS, whatsapp conversations, WiFi SSIDs, etc.) but also browsing history through cookies/sessions and FB analytics and other "signals" cited in these comments as facial recognition. Even for privacy minded individuals using ad (and analytics) blockers and separate phones, all it takes is a small slip-up for their data mining algorithms to find potential connections. I bet FB is very hard at work trying to connect distinct devices used by the same person (phone/work phone, laptop, work computer, tablet, etc) using some of this data, even when the person never connects to her FB profile using one or more of these devices.

    10. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "Two weeks after I created the new account, FB started suggesting friends from my old account. I'm not sure how they do it but it's truly terrifying."

      Facebook scrapes the web with their own analytics.

    11. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was there a website you once logged in under both computers or you entered the same email, phone number, or account name? All it takes is one data point and websites share their stats (meaning they use whatever popular 3rd party plug-in which then takes the data and sells it). I use an email client to login to my multiple email addresses. Those companies can trivially link all my email accounts together as they always and only are logged into within moments of each other. The IP addresses don't even need to match.

      You're talking about pics and apps, that's way too high level. The other posters are talking about IPs and HW fingerprinting. Both wouldn't work because you've switched computers and are using a VPN. There's likely a site you've accessed on both of them. Or is Chrome letting sites see the local wi-fi networks? Did you ever access your 1st account on the separate laptop? If so then HW fingerprinting would work. Private tabs keeps things from leaking out of that tab, they don't prevent that tab from reading things already there. You've got flash cookies, normal cookies, browser fingerprinting, etc... There's even a chance FB sound-profiled you through high-frequency beacons both your devices heard.

    12. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the bloody hell is canvas fingerprinting going to match access A only done from computer A with access B only done from computer B?

      I thought the whole point of canvas fingerprinting is to id HW...

    13. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I have gotten a PYMK suggestion for a women I briefly dated in the early 1990's. Before the internet was available to the public. Neither of us had so much as email at the time, and have never corresponded since.

      Yet, ding! There she was. We have no friends in common.

      Some would say the she must have searched for me, but no - my FB account is under a false name. Unless of course FB knows that the falsie is really me.... but even that is a stretch.

    14. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Facebook claims they don't use location history to connect people, but I wonder if there are some proxies for location data that they do use. Like if they try to determine interests based on what stores you visit that might match you with a neighbor because you tend to go to the same stores.

    15. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by jtara · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if you share YOUR contacts or not.

      Others will be dumb enough to share THEIRS.

      Facebook, LinkedIn, other social networks - all that harvest email contacts have the same flaw. They are collecting YOUR information WITHOUT your permission whether you opt-in to sharing your contacts or not.

      You'd have to use a separate phone, preferably a burner phone to even hope to keep FB from connecting the dots.

      Plus, as others have pointed out, they also can use facial recognition and correlation of time and place, and common contacts. Plus they probably use some "AI" which makes it likely that even FB doesn't know exactly how they've made the connection.

    16. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      All you need to do is visit one site in common with both laptops and they can link the two accounts.

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    17. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Oh, and don't forget to disable WebRTC as well. uBlock Origin has an option to do that.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    18. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Ghostworks · · Score: 1

      Every single "Like" widget on every webpage phones home to FaceBook. This basically lets them track everyone, everywhere.

      If you want to keep two identities separate, you need to clear cookies, probably clear various super-cookie method, and/or turn off javascript. Or at least have NoScript set up with ABE rules to keep FaceBook javascript only on FaceBook. Or more easily, use a separate computer in addition to all the basic identity segregation that Leila used.

      And bear in mind that this will only get worse as time goes on. As web sites move from a page model to an app model, the Web API standards will give sites more and more vectors to track users, undermine privacy protections, and enforce compliance with excessive requirements.

    19. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use tor browser with VPN and use it only for your FB stuff, nothing else. Never access any other page with that particular browser. I'd recommend setting up a VM just for this. Only paranoid win.

    20. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using a separate browser for facebook and nothing else should fix it then. That is, in addition to VPN.

    21. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that was interesting to read about, I'm not sure how it would work with the post you are responding to. The AC above uses a separate laptop for his second identity. The technique seems to be device specific fingerprinting.

    22. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the problem with OTHER people who have Facebook on their cell phones, who include your phone/birthdate/address or any information about you in their phone address book contact, and does not know anything about setting up privacy controls.

      Your information is going to be set back to Facebook WITHOUT YOUR CONTROL. Facebook mines data OFF other people.

      Another thing is that some people forward ALL their fucking emails to Facebook messenger. As an email sender, you have NO IDEA who has that set up and may say or share information that you wouldn't normally say if you knew that your email would be forwarded to Facebook.

      This is beyond ridiculous and you cant stop any of it.

      HOW DO THESE COMPANIES NOT BE REGULATED???????????

      Because the government wants that type of database AND those companies are way too big making way too much money.

      Nothing will ever be stopped.

    23. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Umm yeah. It would seem easier if people en-masse tell face-#$%& to -#$%&-off.

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    24. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the AC you're replying to, but I still don't understand what you're suggesting. If you visit one site in common with both laptops, how do they manage to link the two accounts? I mean, from the Facebook's perspective, that common website receives various visits from various distinct canvas fingerprints and IP combinations, and surely doesn't link all those accounts, right?

    25. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by kwoff · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure it's a good idea to block it, since you give them a piece of data (this user blocks canvas fingerprinting). There's one called CanvasDefender, but from what I read it's noisy with popups.. I would like something like could periodically change the fingerprint, though I'm not sure if it's really feasible. (As far as I know, the website can also change the "canvas challenge", so it's not like you can just send a particular fingerprint per website for a while. For example, they could send 10 different canvas detectors, and if you send the same response to every one, aha.)

    26. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by kwoff · · Score: 1

      thanks, disabled

    27. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can refuse all apps access to location data. But would a whore consider that when turning the phone on for the first time?

      I generally refuse all accesses unless I see a direct benefit for me, because you never know how it might get abused. Google don't know my position. I'm not on facebook - mainly because I see no use case for that. I'm only social to people I meet face to face.

      Not sharing any location data may mean I don't get a restaurant recommendation 'nearby', but I have no problem finding restaurants anyway. Weather services need to be told that I went on holiday - they don't get the new position unless I hand it over. If I need a map, I have one on the phone that don't need to download tiles. So no indirect tracing by 'what tiles I need' either.

    28. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by mad_dog3283 · · Score: 1

      Did you look at the same profiles / pages on both laptops? FB logs GET requests. If you looked at a group of profiles with account A, and the same / similar group of profiles with account B, it assumes the profiles that both A and B looked at are mutual friends between accounts A and B.

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    29. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also suspect the app, but not just the contacts. It is also tracking locations, and can probably make connections between people who are frequently at the same place at the same time.

    30. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by beastofburdon · · Score: 0

      They are using audio most likely. There have been articles about it on here before, but I'm to lazy to look them up. Basically the website will add an inaudible, unique, sound to any posts on it that have audio, then that is picked up by your phone, which likely has Facebook installed, cannot be uninstalled, and is always listening. This associates the Facebook account with the phone. Then you access the other Facebook account and the same thing happens, but now both accounts are associated. Using the Facebook application on the phone is not necessary, it just has to be installed.

    31. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by ale2011 · · Score: 1

      On a decent system, one can easily change user-id by logging out and in as necessary. Cookies are not shared among different users. For phones, better use different hardware with different cards. However, that is not enough. Quoting the report:

      The people who hire sex workers are also very concerned with anonymity so they’re using alternative emails and alternative names. And sometimes they have phones that they only use for this, for hiring women. You have two ends of people using heightened security, because neither end wants their identity being revealed. And they’re having their real names connected on Facebook.

    32. Re:Their app reads your contacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A step further would be to link two posts with linguistic fingerprinting

  13. professional blowback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that one of her services?

    1. Re:professional blowback? by DickBreath · · Score: 0

      If she is blowing, then she is doing it wrong. Blow is the wrong word to use.

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      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
    2. Re:professional blowback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you go judging me. Also, username checks out.

  14. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No! Are you crazy? I won't delete my Facebook account.

    I'll keep it in the empty state it is now, lest someone creates one in my name and abuses it to slander me.

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  15. Here we go by david.g.holt · · Score: 0

    Yep,.. time to legalize prostitution.

    1. Re:Here we go by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      This is due to state regulations.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  16. this isn't new by Cederic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A decade ago Facebook sent me an email, suggesting that I create an account (as I didn't have one) and also telling me that I probably knew three different people - one that I worked with, one that I socialised with and one family member.

    None of those people had the same email address for me.

    I wonder if the UK DPA or upcoming GDPR legislation will let me force Facebook to reveal their matching algorithm - see Article 15 paragraph 1(h) of the regulation (PDF at http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal... )

    1. Re: this isn't new by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome. When algorithms impact the lives of hundreds of millions, people deserve to know how those algorithms work.

    2. Re:this isn't new by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 1

      There are a few other things you'll get, but forcing them to reveal a trade secret is not one of them. GDPR will allow you to request a complete wipe of your data (right to be forgotten) and the ability to request a copy of all the data they have on you in machine-readable form so you can take it to a competitor. I expect for the latter they'll just point to their RESTful API.

    3. Re:this isn't new by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Their API doesn't allow access to remotely close to all of the data they hold on you. For instance, it doesn't let me retrieve anything about myself, but they clearly hold data on me.

      It also doesn't let me understand the processing they do of my data, which is what GDPR (and the DPA) both require them to reveal. There are no exclusions for trade secrets.

  17. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by houghi · · Score: 0

    Yeah, because they actually delete your data and will never your your dat, even if you never where on the site.

    That was an example of sarcasm.

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  18. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by ITapeFatCashews · · Score: 1

    Your Facebook account is never deleted. Oh, sure. You can go through the motions of deleting your Facebook account. The moment you have to access a website via a Facebook account login, your account is immediately revived. You can "delete" it again but it never goes away.

  19. It's location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If YOU use facebook in one location often enough and someone else uses facebook in the same location often enough, Facebook will assume that you know these people. Eg, when people in my apartment building pop up on people you may know.

    "Leila", don't use facebook (or, I expect, have it running in the background) in the same physical location as you see clients.

  20. Inaccurate Headline? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1
    The summary says that facebook won't tell us how it does this, yet the headline is

    How Facebook Outs Sex Workers

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    1. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two questions with different answers. How does Facebook out sex workers? It connects their Facebook profile with their clients. How does Facebook get the information that those people are connected? We don't know.

    2. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's also the much more critical question "Why the fuck are people still using Facebook after all these nightmarish news?"

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    3. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      There's also the much more critical question "Why the fuck are people still using Facebook after all these nightmarish news?"

      Unfortunately, the choice doesn't really matter anymore. I'm not on facebook, and never have been. However my wife is on there, all my siblings are on there, my parents are on there, and plenty of other people who know me are on there as well. Facebook certainly knows who I am, and I can't do anything about that. Some time ago it went from "you use facebook" to "facebook uses you", and we can't go back. You can't ask them to forget you - and even if they said they had, how would you ever confirm that? For that matter if they said they did, and you believed them, how long would they be obligated to continue "forgetting" you?

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    4. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Slashdot: We say nuke the entire website from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
      Mark Zuckerberg: Hold on, hold on just a second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    5. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Both accounts probably use the same IP.
      There are probably many common points between the two accounts : same face, same age group, same general location, etc...
      Facebook also tracks users on other websites using things like the "like" button. If she doesn't log out it is possible that Facebook sees similar browsing patterns.
      It is also possible that she made a mistake and used one account when she should have used the other.

    6. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What "both accounts"? She doesn't have an account for her professional life. That was made clear in TFS. What's happening is that Facebook is suggesting some of her customers as friends for her private account.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    7. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Because:
      a) there is no alternative (perhaps steemit.com will be one)
      b) because of the momentum, people don't like to switch ... how would I convince my 300 FB friends to switch? People are even to lazy to install a second, third, fourth messenger app.

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    8. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As soon as people use the same WLAN network, they are easily correlated.

      (The article says, she only has one, private, FB account, not two)

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    9. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are not two accounts. RTFS. There was never a second account. Only the one account, never an account for the "secret" identity. Sheesh. That's kind of the whole point of the article.

    10. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasn't the internet developed to be immune to nukes?

    11. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Facebook is an advertising company, the social network part is just window-dressing; any website has the Facebook icon is sending and receiving a facebook cookie,having an account in the window has little to do with your having an account hidden in the back-room.

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    12. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet interprets global nuclear conflagration as damage, and routes around it. ( '_>' )

    13. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      How would I convince my 300 FB friends to switch?

      Here's a hint... you don't really have 300 friends.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    14. Re:Inaccurate Headline? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You are right, I rounded up.
      It is 272, or was it 273.

      However I fail to get your point. You had a point? Or had you not?

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  21. So maybe they looked at her profile by sberge · · Score: 1

    after figuring out her real name. I sometimes get friend suggestions from people where I suspect that the connection is that they looked at my profile.

  22. The usual Facebook behaviour by Teun · · Score: 1

    This sucks.

    Even though I have never had any relation with that company I've experienced similar, years ago Facebook mailed me with the sugestion to yoin people I know.

    My stupid sister and a cousin had shared their address lists with Facebook and the algorithm added 1 + 1 is me...
    At least they gave an option to opt out of further mail but I'm sure they are still following me around, even though I use plug ins to remove their spying icons from web sites.

    I'll leave further comments to my signature.

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    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  23. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: criminalizing prostitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    criminalizing prostitution.

    No. The problem is NOT solved. Even if you do not have a Facebook account and never use it, other people do. If other people include pictures of you, Facebook still tracks you. Unfortunately, this does not appear to be a serious enough crime for the police to take action - despite the fact that it is obviously life-threatening for anyone on witness protection - and probably many others.

    Remember the guy battered to death with a can of spam? well, I think we can expect similar vigilante action before too long unless law enforcement gets a grip.

  24. My best bet is: Location by jasg88 · · Score: 2

    Location is part of the algorithm: basically Facebook knows that those 2 "accounts" were near each other for X amount of time.

    1. Re:My best bet is: Location by boomvang27 · · Score: 1

      This. I have seen several people be suggested to me on Facebook for which the most logical association is that we have been in close proximity multiple times. This is easy data for FB to capture via smartphone.

    2. Re:My best bet is: Location by will_die · · Score: 1

      Yep location and MAC Address.
      You use to be able to fool facebook by changing your MAC address and it would act like you were in that location and check-in and create locations. they have since made that alot harder.

    3. Re:My best bet is: Location by richardellisjr · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to bet it's like a previous poster said. She ended up in a picture with her Johns at some point and Facebook did it's face recognition evil. I used to try and stop people from taking pictures of me so facebook wouldn't have my info, but at this point it's a lost cause.

    4. Re:My best bet is: Location by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It used to be a point of honor here not to RTFA, but making it a point not to RTFS is, I believe, taking it too far.

      There is one Facebook account, not two. Facebook is connecting her private account with her professional life, which she keeps as separate as she can.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    5. Re:My best bet is: Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article did not say they were the same person, just that they may know each other, so I guess it is just using location data.

    6. Re:My best bet is: Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely source IP address. MAC addresses change as they cross network boundaries.

      But if Facebook has photos of the individual in both accounts, they don't need any network data; they can just use facial recognition.

    7. Re:My best bet is: Location by will_die · · Score: 1

      I could go with that but I am not sure if people take pictures of their hookers and post them to facebook.

    8. Re:My best bet is: Location by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      FB does not and can not know your MAC address.
      I suggest to check wikipedia what a MAC address is ....

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    9. Re:My best bet is: Location by swilver · · Score: 1

      ...all she had to do for facebook to make the connection is to bring her smartphone (signed in to her "normal" facebook account) to her sex work. Location then does the rest. If she had left her smartphone at home, this would not be possible.

    10. Re:My best bet is: Location by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I've been in the same place as other people lots of times without forming connections, so I'm not quite sure about that.

      In any case, I find it unreasonable to expect someone to have good spycraft in order to use Facebook safely.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  25. Easy to figure out by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I can think of a variety of ways Facebook could figure out who you interact with. The most obvious is that many people carry around a smartphone with the ability to track their whereabouts. It's not all that hard for a company like Facebook to notice that two people are in close proximity with some regularity if they have some tracking software installed on your smartphone or PC.

    Frankly I value my privacy too much to want to have anything to do with Facebook. I simply don't trust the company to be responsible with data about me.

    1. Re:Easy to figure out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most obvious is that many people carry around a smartphone with the ability to track their whereabouts. It's not all that hard for a company like Facebook to notice that two people are in close proximity with some regularity

      Wait... I think Facebook knows who Superman really is!

  26. Looking at friends... by McCaskill · · Score: 1

    I'm not a Facebook specialist, but if she looked at only one her sex friends, only once, with her personal profile, the bound is made. Facebook will then start to suggest friends from her other profile. Unless Facebook uses here IP address and browser profile, and matches the two ?

  27. Geo location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two people who are in the same location at the same time multiple times perhaps... The geolocation stuff is a bit spooky. Turn off your phone, pull the battery even.

    1. Re:Geo location by Straumli+Perversion · · Score: 1

      I use one of those apps that spoofs your GPS coordinates, so it looks like I'm always home. I turn the location services off. I only do this so that my weather app will give me the data for the right location.

      I'm sure that doesn't help 100% of the time, since cell phone companies can triangulate your position based on cell phone towers. If it turns out that FB and other nefarious sites are gobbling up that data, then I may be forced to keep the damn phone off and only turn it on to make a call or text or to see who has been trying to contact me lately.

      This idea that I should tell the world my exact position 24/7 is ludicrous.

  28. Dump Facebook by thereitis · · Score: 1

    If you don't have a Facebook identity, how can they suggest friends to you and display your friendship status to others? Dumping Facebook is not 100% a fix for this privacy fiasco, but it is absolutely a necessary step.

    1. Re:Dump Facebook by hey! · · Score: 1

      How? Purchasing datasets and mining them. That's how they connected this person to her clients. They didn't need any of their *own* data to do that.

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    2. Re:Dump Facebook by Joviex · · Score: 1

      How? Purchasing datasets and mining them. That's how they connected this person to her clients. They didn't need any of their *own* data to do that.

      Moron, you missed the boat.

      If I am NOT ON FACEBOOK, they CANT SUGGEST TO ANYONE that they FRIEND ME, cause I CANT ACTUALLY ACCEPT SINCE I AM NOT ON FACEBOOK.

      Tomorrow, we can work on the alphabet.

    3. Re:Dump Facebook by richardellisjr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your missing the point, even if you have never created a facebook account one exists for you they created. Thus if someone uploaded a picture of you to facebook and tagged your name in it, then they can tag your name on every picture uploaded to them with you in, even if they don't automatically tag those pictures they sure as hell know who you are and your name and relationships at a minimum. At this point there are probably very few people in the world that haven't had a picture of them uploaded and tagged.

    4. Re:Dump Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your missing the point, even if you have never created a facebook account one exists for you they created."

      Hoo boy. Wait till the sovereign citizens get ahold of this.

    5. Re:Dump Facebook by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      You seem a little bit retarded or paranoid or both.

      You can not tag pictures on FB with peoples names that are not on Facebook ... idiot!

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    6. Re:Dump Facebook by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      At this point there are probably very few people in the world that haven't had a picture of them uploaded and tagged.

      So far as I know, Facebook does not have a picture of me uploaded and tagged. There are very few pictures of me, period. But I don't actually know, because I'm not on Facebook, and trying to find out would expose me to their machine.

      That seems like a problem of its own.

    7. Re:Dump Facebook by hey! · · Score: 1

      And once they've built the adjacency matrix, they can raise it to another power and connect acquaintances you have that are in disparate circle.

      When your wife gets your old college girlfriend as a suggested friend, she might start putting 2 + 2 together.

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    8. Re:Dump Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been getting recommendations on LinkedIn for years to connect with people I know (or sort of know) in real life who don't have LinkedIn accounts. My mom (who is not on LinkedIn) shows up in there, with her correct email address, as do some of my mom's friends who I've never met. Also my neighbor's adult daughter who I've never talked to but who was sort of friends with my wife for a while. Note that my wife is also not on LinkedIn. I have never, ever given LinkedIn access to my contacts on my phone... at least, not that I've ever been aware of. Any time it has asked, I've said no.

      It's creepy and bizarre. And it's just LinkedIn. Kind of a lot of people have LinkedIn profiles, but very few take them seriously or log in more than once every 6 months. Nearly everybody uses Facebook, and a high percentage of those people log in at least once a week. A lot of those people post pictures along with lots of personal info.

      If LinkedIn can suggest I connect with people I'm only tangentially connected to IRL but not connected to at all online, just image the power that Facebook has.

    9. Re:Dump Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And thus begins the great new game of tagging people in random photos of objects and animals. This could provide some interesting results.

      Next level would be accounts with just pictures of object and animals. Maybe you know "picture of lamp"? Heck yeah! I love lamp!

      (capcha for this post: hinged
      maybe I'm onto to something)

    10. Re:Dump Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "the world" you mean Western Europe and Northern America, I'd understand you. But there are lots of people outside those geographic areas that don't have access to electricity to stat with, so the internet ... Also they are digitally illiterate (some of them are barely literate) and live in poverty, internet is a thing they won't understand and never use.
      I was born in a rural village in Romania. Some of my family still lives here. The village still doesn't have running water or sewage, it does have electricity though, since 1982. There is no cable or landline internet, only spotty 4G coverage (3G works better). Almost the whole village lives on welfare or are retired.
      Do you thing such people uses Facebook? They don't, and neither their children, mostly of which are illiterate and dropped out of school as soon as they could.
      And THESE PEOPLE EXIST and make for a sizable portion of the world's population. When you read some news article about some kids in Africa that are using some fancy App to do something, know that they're so few that they fit all in the camera frame, the whole billion people of Africa lives in abject poverty and Facebook (of the Internet) is the last thing they care about.

      Now how the hell is Facebook gonna tag all those, if they heven't ever touched a gizmo in their life?

    11. Re:Dump Facebook by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Nice try ... however you failed to tell us how to do it.
      Because: you can't. You can not tell us, and you can not tag photos with names that are not on facebook. Unless they are public figures and FB has them "in the database".

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  29. Read first, then comment by Mascot · · Score: 1

    That she didn't use Facebook to connect with her clients, was a pretty big point. It says so right there in the synopsis: "Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all"

  30. Geotracking is likely to be a reason by herveandrieu · · Score: 1

    Hi If Leila brought her "vanilla identity" phone with the FB app in her purse while meeting her clients, I'm fairly certain FB tracks patterns of FB users meeting in the same area on a regular basis to suggest they know each other. It can probably be confirmed by attending events where you do not normally go and where the same people go a few times and then checking if some of the faces you saw at these events start appearing in your friend suggestions list. Like the others were saying: if you have multiple identities, don't use FB at all.

  31. What are the chances... by torkus · · Score: 0

    That FB magically accessed other applications on her iPhone and hacked her life

    vs.

    She's actually not as smart as she thinks and DOES have common links.

    That friend you met 'professionally' that then became a 'real friend' and got your other number? Oh, they share their contact info with FB for finding friends and now FB has both your numbers as one person. Done. You have pictures up of your face on both profiles? Facial recognition. Done. You accidentally add a client to the wrong phone, even briefly? Done. Your friend knows your professional name and also puts that in your contact? Done. You tell your bestie on FB Messenger about your work/work name/client/etc from your real profile? Done.

    I don't doubt there's a fair level of data sharing, often with advertisers in-between, for the major players like google, amazon, and FB. People are just naive in thinking that the data they put online exists in a vacuum and never gets correlated with other data. Hell, is your recovery email your other email address? Yeah google knows all about your multiple persona's ...

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    1. Re:What are the chances... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She has only one facebook account. The non-professional one.

    2. Re:What are the chances... by torkus · · Score: 1

      Ok, so only one of my examples requires the 'professional' FB account.

      It doesn't have to be HER either. It can be ANYONE with information linking both accounts storing or sharing that info into somewhere that FB has links. Somehow I doubt both lives are completely separate. Sex workers are typically not experts on data mining and online privacy management.

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    3. Re:What are the chances... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even so, the gp still lays out a framework for how FB can make some of the connections.

  32. Had the exact same effing thing happen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I come from a middle eastern Muslim country. My views about religion and other issues will surely anger people I know. To vent, I made two accounts on facebook, one for my friends, and one where I express my views including religious ones under a separate identity.

    On the 'anonymous' account, I just put my first name and at worst, extremely general hints about my life , since I assumed no one I know will see it. I used a separate, anonymous, e-mail for this account, and used to access it from a separate browser. The only link was probably my IP address / user agent, or maybe I tried to view my profile from the other account, but that's it.

    I was once chatting with a real-life Muslim friend and she started making hints about statuses I post on my other account. Nothing serious happened, since shes a terrible Muslim herself, but this could have easily put my life in danger had this been known to other people. I learned to NEVER trust facebook with my privacy ever since this happened.

    1. Re:Had the exact same effing thing happen to me by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      "maybe I tried to view my profile from the other account"

      That action would probably do it.

    2. Re:Had the exact same effing thing happen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... or maybe I tried to view my profile from the other account, but that's it.

      That was it.

      When I view a profile, I start getting friend suggestions related to it. And so does the other person.

      So be careful when stalking people on Facebook.

    3. Re:Had the exact same effing thing happen to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may very well need separate phones / computers to maintain strict separation between two identities. And never ever use the wrong one by mistake.

      Accessing two facebook accounts from the same device? There is the similarities of the device (it is the same, after all), ip address, various browser cookies, position data if you're sharing that - and so on.

      Of course, the separation has failed already. So better abandon your 'critical' identity, and make a new one instead. And keep it on a separate device - perhaps an older phone or something. Other people may suffer embarrassment if a secret identity leaks out, you are much worse off. So try harder, and read up on security measures.

  33. Breaking out my tinfoil hat by computational+super · · Score: 1

    I swear there have been multiple occasions where I was discussing buying something with my wife - never having searched for it or referred to it on any computer in any capacity - within "earshot" of my phone, and then gone into Facebook and seen targeted ads for the thing that I was discussing.

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    1. Re:Breaking out my tinfoil hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  34. Removed control setting suggested as fix by drafalski · · Score: 2

    "People can always control who can send them friend requests by visiting their account settings," said the spokesperson. "If they select 'no one,' they won't appear in others' People You May Know."

    Um, Facebook removed the option for "no one" to send friend requests years ago. The most restrictive now is "Friends of friends".

  35. Been happening for a while. by dhickman · · Score: 1

    I am an infosec consultant and about a year ago started to see clients as suggested friends.

    I keep facebook for family stuff in a closed group and never mix work with my personal life.

    I figure it is tied to the mobile app.

  36. In other words... by Noryungi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop being on Facebook.

    Except Facebook will remember you even if you delete your account.

    Except Facebook will remember you even if you have separate accounts.

    Except Facebook will find out who you are if you have friends and family on Facebook. Especially if they mention you by name in a Facebook post.

    Except Facebook is probably tracking you right now because of all those little "like" buttons you can see everywhere.

    Except Facebook... Oh, fsck it, I give up.

    Frankly, who needs the NSA when you have Facebook? Oh, wait, they are probably working together right now.

    Wasn't there a story about that creep Zuckerberg wanting to become President of the United States of Facebook?

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    1. Re:In other words... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Why would the NSA want to work with Facebook. The NSA has restrictions on what it can do. Far better for the NSA to hire Facebook as a contractor.

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    2. Re:In other words... by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there a story about that creep Zuckerberg wanting to become President of the United States of Facebook?

      The Circle by Dave Eggers
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Frankly, who needs the NSA when you have Facebook? Oh, wait, they are probably working together right now

      You think? Someone's autobiography--I forget exactly who--but some ex-FBI spook mentions, in black and white, that the FBI has an office right in the FB HQ building.

    4. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know the FBI and NSA have different missions, right?

      I can imagine that the FBI does a lot of crime investigation that involves FB activity. It makes sense for them to work closely with FB.

    5. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fsck facebook. Damn them to /dev/null.

  37. Simple, don't use facebook by lerxstz · · Score: 1

    From the article: âoeFacebook isnâ(TM)t a luxury,â Darling said. âoeItâ(TM)s a utility in our lives. For something that big to be so secretive and powerful in how it accumulates your information is unnerving.â

    That's one of her problems right there. It may be a utility, but it is not a mandatory utility. It is opt-in. Life goes on just fine without it. Some sheeple seem to think it's required that you sign up for a facebook account. It's a proven privacy violator. And as far as ethics go, Facebook is in the same category as uber. Just use other technologies instead.

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    1. Re:Simple, don't use facebook by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There are no other technologies that do what Facebook does. Period. A Facebook clone with the exact same tech couldn't do what Facebook does. It's the network effect.

      Now, I know you're the sort of turkey who thinks "sheeple" means something, but you need to get out and meet actual physical people sometime, rather than just feeling superior.

      When your family and/or social circle uses Facebook, you are definitely missing out if you don't have an account. People communicate on it. People make announcements on it. You're likely to miss things that were announced on Facebook and not mentioned elsewhere. There can be real advantages in having a Facebook account.

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    2. Re:Simple, don't use facebook by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      From the article: âoeFacebook isnâ(TM)t a luxury,â Darling said. âoeItâ(TM)s a utility in our lives. For something that big to be so secretive and powerful in how it accumulates your information is unnerving.â

      That's one of her problems right there. It may be a utility, but it is not a mandatory utility. It is opt-in. Life goes on just fine without it. Some sheeple seem to think it's required that you sign up for a facebook account. It's a proven privacy violator. And as far as ethics go, Facebook is in the same category as uber. Just use other technologies instead.

      *Some* sheeple like to quote simple "fixes" that put all the blame on the victim. Read some of the other posts why just leaving Facebook doesn't necessarily help - they have enough information now that your gap can be inferred from the friends that you have that *are* on Facebook.

  38. Might be a simple answer by bangular · · Score: 2

    I remember a similar story a few months ago. A thief stole someone's phone and the perpetrator was suggested to the victim as "someone you may know." I think the consensus was, just visiting someone's facebook page pulls you into their potential network. I'm guessing she's visited her alter-ego's page at some point (and maybe some of her clients).

    The only winning move is to not play. Just get rid of facebook and install uBlock and filters that keep social media at bay.

    1. Re:Might be a simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her alter-ego has no fb account, so no.

  39. IP addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps Facebook just matches IP addresses

  40. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Maybe the EU needs to slap a $1B (or so) fine on them, and repeat as needed. Because the US sure as hell is not doing anything about this problem.

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  41. Don't use Facebook by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    Facebook rummaged through her contacts and found those people. Equally, those people probably had her phone-number in their contacts.
    Easy match for Facebook.

    She should really not be using Facebook, as hard as that may be, as well as any other service that likes to make such "recommendations".

    Even using two different phones and keeping all the "side-job-work" on a dumb phone with no internet access at all might not be enough, if she keeps both her normal phone and the dumb phone in her bag at the same time.
    Facebook will likely notice that her "true indentity"-phone and her clients' phones are at the same place at the same time semi-regularly and deduct that they may know each other (which is true, after all).

    There's hardly a way to "manage" or "influence" how Facebook handles this, so, again, the only way to win this game is not to play it.

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    1. Re:Don't use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This might require the "unthinkable" : that the cell carrier company for the dumbphone sells location data to the highest bidder or in fact, any bidder.
      This doesn't happen over the internet and does not involve a computer if you don't believe the dumbest 2G phone is a computer (in truth it is, though). It should qualify as espionage of some sort and the company execs should be sent to jail or so you'd think.. But are they selling this kind of information anyway?

      BUT : even if you don't believe they will commit the unthinkable, and they effectively, really, actually don't commit it, you could be giving yourself a false sense of security as there are many other attack channels. Likely the smartphone is scooping up wifi ssids, and if it doesn't it might do with bluetooth names, or something else happened. The dumbphone could be off for all we care - what may be known is the other person called the dumbphone from his smartphone that's present in the room and so there was a link already. Well my speculating or wondering is redundant.
      The other unthinkable could be, NSA or other agency has access to every phone's location data (including 2G and dumbphone, which the carriers are supposed to know, not the Internet) and sells it to fakebook or data brokers. Well one of the agencies is known for heroin trafficking and weapons dealings and murders and other things so they wouldn't turn their noses to a new source of occult financing.

    2. Re:Don't use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you not play? FB even knows about people who don't have accounts, so the only thing you can opt out of is having an account. You can't prevent people from posting photos of you, tagging you, etc.

      In fact, it may even be the case that you can get more privacy if you actually have an account, because then you at least have some ability to "un-tag" yourself.

      dom

  42. facebook is creepy as shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    her clients were probably disturbed to see her in their "people you may know" list too

  43. it's worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I once tried to create an anonymous (false identity) account on facebook, which I wanted to use to access the private group of a sportsclub that insists on using facebook for sharing pictures and videos, they also use whatsapp.
    I don't want to be on facebook, because I don't trust them, so therefore I didn't use any of my know e-mail adresses or phonenumbers (I thought) to create the account.

    In the short time the account worked (and I used tor-browser to access facebook, exclusively!) facebook suggested several people whom I know in real life, but who didn't know I was on facebook or with the sportsclub. The account I created did not have a picture of me, but of a doll that didn't look at all like a human face.

    I have no clue how this can be done, but facebook has some very sneaky ways to find connections between people. This alone should be enough reason for anyone who wants to keep some social lives separate to avoid facebook altogether. And I'm sure that despite my not being on facebook, it has an entire profile of me waiting to be associated with my account, should I create one.

    Someone summarized this quite well: don't use facebook.

    1. Re:it's worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, it seems like you might have made a mistake somewhere. I have facebook profiles that I only use for single purposes and I haven't seen evidence so far that facebook knows anything other than what I know they know. e.g. friend suggestions for completely random people associated with the fake info I have put in or with the small set of things I have viewed while using that facebook profile. I think creating and maintaining a false identity is tricky and it is easy to slip up. tor-browser is not a silver bullet, you have to be careful how you use it to not leak information.

  44. I wonder if it's Bluetooth by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    My iPhone and Galaxy bug me every so often to turn bluetooth on for better location. This is probably BS unless they will read the nearby bluetooth devices you come in contact with at known locations like at retail stores.

    I wonder if it's reading the bluetooth ID's of phones you come close to and depending on the time spent in the vicinity and location suggest friends

    1. Re:I wonder if it's Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google creates a database of wi-fi routers and their GPS locations. They got into trouble some time ago for having their cars record *everything* that wi-fi routers were transmitting. Then they use those GPS coordinates to triangulate the location of a device based on which wi-fi routers are in range. Many also have Bluetooth connections.

    2. Re:I wonder if it's Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that yes there are bluetooth devices implanted in some stores and public locations, even if they don't have any purpose other than recording data about all bluetooth sluts that are passing by to send to a data mothership company.

  45. Correlated Positions and Movements by GoRK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Facebook makes suggestions based on correlated movements and positions. If you arrive and depart from the same location at the same time as another person a few times it may suggest them as a friend. There isn't really any mystery to this (unless you are someone like a journalist or Facebook user who never read any of the agreements you accepted).

    We could have a debate as to whether or not this should be opt-in, or legal, or whatever, but there shouldn't really be any debate that it is an effective method of determining people who might know each other, and there shouldn't be any mystery that it's done when it has all been plainly discussed before. You can at least opt out of some of it, or adjust your privacy settings to prevent it.

    Just imagine that Facebook is your mom and every time you load up the app it's like calling your mom and telling her where you are. And everyone else around you is also calling your mom and telling them they are there too, and you and everybody else are constantly calling back every 10 minutes to give her updates. Provided your mom has a lot of time on her hands and takes really good notes, pretty soon she's going to figure out who you are hanging out with.

    1. Re:Correlated Positions and Movements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how how about a better analogy, instead of our mom we pretend that facebook is our older brother...

    2. Re:Correlated Positions and Movements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling, emailing, and texting can all be harvested, as well, by other companies. Then, these companies share that data, and 1+1=2

  46. More than just location tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has to be a lot more going on in addition to location tracking.

    When I signed up to Facebook two years ago it immediately started to suggest a couple of friends that I had last seen in person 9 years ago, live on another continent, and with whom I had not been in touch for 2-3 years. How did Facebook know? There are a couple of ways facebook could have connected us:
    1) they tried to find me on Facebook before and Facebook stored that information
    2) Facebook scans connections between accounts with similar names on other sites (in this case flickr)

    So I would guess they use location tracking and really everything else they can get their hands on.

    1. Re:More than just location tracking by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      Exactly: When I first joined FB, I was almost immediately contacted by a couple of ex's - one that I hadn't talked to since the late 80's, the other since the mid 90's.

  47. This is only a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is only a problem if you insist on living a double life. If it hurts when you do that...

  48. Porn-Star by speedplane · · Score: 1
    Love the quote from the article:

    “I don’t want my 15-year-old cousin to discover I’m a porn star because my account gets recommended to them on Facebook,” Darling told me by phone.

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  49. TOS violation by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Facebook requires you to use your real name on your account. Failure to do so is a violation of their terms of service and they can lock your account.

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    1. Re:TOS violation by fibonacci8 · · Score: 2

      Facebook requires you to use your real name on your account. Failure to do so is a violation of their terms of service and they can lock your account.

      Sartre is probably rolling at his grave at the prospect of locking accounts that people don't have, as punishment for behavior they aren't doing, to accounts they don't have. Are you seriously suggesting that she's violating the ToS by not having a second account using her professional name? She is already using her real name on the account she does have according to the summary.

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    2. Re:TOS violation by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      I think the implication is that Facebook is not suitable for her kind of work because it doesn't permit aliases.

      A friend of mine who's living in a homophobic community had two Facebook profiles. One was squeaky-clean closet guy, the other was for the guys from the gay bars.

      He added me on the squeaky-clean profile, but I would regularly get "people you might know" and it was his gay-bar profile. I warned him about it and he no longer uses Facebook for anything.

    3. Re:TOS violation by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      There are exceptions. For example if you are in the entertainment industry and use your stage name is one exception. Emma Stone probably has a public FB account under "Emma Stone" but that's not her real, legal name. Her real name is Emily but there was already a registered actress with that name so she had to use "Emma". She probably has an Emily Stone account too. Lady Gaga is also not the singer's real name either.

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    4. Re:TOS violation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Aliases don't work on a social network. People on FB who interact with me need to know that the account is mine, and that's going to get linked to me.

      The woman in question used an alias for her professional work, and that didn't work.

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    5. Re:TOS violation by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Well, Facebook is in bed with Hollywood so no surprise there. Given the current sex abuse scandal, I now realize why Hollywood is full of crazy leftists who also think all men are rapists. Wow, it's because they really did come in contact with rapists like Weinstein and they extrapolated their experience to conclude that all men are like this.

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    6. Re:TOS violation by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The woman 'in question':
      o does not have an alias on FB
      o does not use FB for her professional work

      That is pretty clear from the summary.

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    7. Re:TOS violation by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That's a whole lot of crazy in your post there.

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  50. Comprehension by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    You aren't quite getting something. If you don't have a Facebook account, even if Facebook knows you as some entity with a certain set of demographic information that possibly knows certain other people, it isn't going to recommend you to them as a possible acquaintance as you have no Facebook account to recommend them to.

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    1. Re:Comprehension by hey! · · Score: 2

      No, I understand. But I'm assuming that people still *care* that Facebook has this information even if they don't personally *see* it.

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    2. Re:Comprehension by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Kind of like the way linkedin tries to get you to 'invite' people.

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  51. Facebook Cookies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its a combination of Facebook cookies/advertisement cookies where this person used SAME computer to login and go to various websites. Facebook engine recognized the similar cookies and connected both identities as possibly very close since they shared a computer.

  52. PUNISH PEOPLE I DON'T APPROVE OF by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny

    data analytics that would make even the STASI say, "whoa, that's going a little too far"...

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  53. Time for a burner device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FB (and everything audience network touches) is aware of a user's device id(s) as soon as they log in, regardless of account. FB will connect them all and recognize them as the same user entity - as the source of truth. The intention is to serve the user all the same ads regardless of device or app, the side effect is everyone else can identify the user regardless of device or app.

  54. network/wifi connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen FB place people in my "people you might know" if we use the same wifi network (presumably to connect to FB) within a small time frame. No connections to these people other than time/space. Sounds like the lady from the summary needs to use two phones and never have them turned on at the same time.

  55. Simple solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Stop being a whore

    1. Re:Simple solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to confuse the terms, let me help you:

      You are a whore.
      She is a prostitute.

    2. Re:Simple solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I don't think I am. Go and look up the definition. PS, fuck you.

  56. Signal permissions by Larry_Dillon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's what they say they need all of that for.

    https://support.signal.org/hc/...

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    1. Re:Signal permissions by fisted · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks for that link, Einstein. I traveled back in time and included it in my own post.

      And in no way do they *need* all that. They *want* it to offer fancy functionality which is the *last* thing I want in an allegedly highly secure system. Just think of all the code that is required for those fancy features, and when it does get compromised, the attacker can pretty much do anything they want because they have all the permissions. Fuck that. They've lost their credibility to me by pulling off that incredibly stupid mode.

    2. Re:Signal permissions by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's what they SAY they need it all for. Do you really believe the cover story? Come on. All that data is valuable and can be sold. That's why there are ten zillion permissions.

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    3. Re:Signal permissions by Herkum01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That may mean what they initially intend to use it for, it does not preclude them from changing what they do with it later.

    4. Re: Signal permissions by fisted · · Score: 1

      Hos is it abused and who the heck calls it "star emphasis"? Are you new to the internet?

  57. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Um, you realize that more than one person on Facebook can have the same name, right?

    The only thing unique about a Facebook account is the email address used to create it. Everything else can be cloned wholesale from another account, making it extremely hard to know which one is the real one.

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  58. Against Facebook ToS to use a fake identity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook ToS says that you cannot use a fake identity. In many cases when signing up, then even want to see a photo identity (school card, license, etc...) before they approve your account.

    The obvious solution is to abide by their ToS and don't use a fake account.

    1. Re:Against Facebook ToS to use a fake identity. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The obvious solution to Slashdot stupidity is to RTFS, but alas.

      She has a Facebook account under her own name for social activities and having a life. She has an alternate identity with different email address, phone, and name, that doesn't have a Facebook account. This doesn't stop Facebook from linking her customers to her private account.

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  59. Separate Lives mean Separate Everything by medv4380 · · Score: 1

    You must have a separate phone that has none of the contacts from the other. Including yourself. You can never check the email from the other system. Having any part of your Phone, or PC touch the other life will create the link and you're back to square one. I don't have a facebook account because they asked me to join and said these people know you "Join US". They already knew too much about me without me even using their system so they can go fly a kite. Your lives must never touch. You cant have friends who know both identities who can contact either identity. If they do facebook creates the link and infer the people of your secret identity might know your other identity. It's more dangerous because you can't trust someone to know that you've gone missing or not. Best advice, don't use facebook.

  60. WHY does the "vanilla" profile exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The obvious question is: why does she even have the "vanilla" (non-sex-work identity) profile? That's not a rhetorical question, either. The "why" matters. Facebook isn't for everybody; it's not even a good idea for most people.

    There are reasons you might have to have a profile on Facebook. (e.g. I have to have a profile in order to be the administrator and developer for some of my employer's "app id"s (API keys); and yes, I have already warned them that if/when my time at the company ends, if no one else steps up and takes ownership, then some of our Facebook interfaces are going to break when I delete my profile.) And maybe she's required to have a Facebook profile for her non-sex work too. If so, ok, then I guess that does indeed totally suck for her.

    But if she has a Facebook profile but isn't required to by her employer, then I'd like to hear why she has one. That's sort of like running MS Windows when you don't have legacy requirements that give you no other choice. Untrapped people shouldn't be using Facebook any more than they should be using Microsoft products.

    If she has no reason, then I'd say creating that "vanilla" profile was a silly and reckless thing to do, even if she didn't have the other identity. As usual, I tend to resort to "victim-blaming," but I insist that is the very best outlook in our current day, when so many people go to so many extreme degrees to do obviously-stupid things that everyone knows have no possible outcome other than causing harm.

    You know when you sign up for Facebook that you're doing a dangerous thing. If you do it anyway, then you're accepting that you're ok with the inevitable. And if your boss makes you do it, then right then is when you're deciding between the obvious downsides vs how much you want to keep working for your boss. I chose the riskier path and I have a Facebook profile as a result, so that I can have app ids. But what's your story?

    1. Re:WHY does the "vanilla" profile exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I chose the riskier path and I have a Facebook profile as a result...

      You chose the safe path! Now you will be safe when facebook changes its name to "skynet" develops sentience and then build autonomous killer drones to hunt down anyone that doesn't have a profile!

  61. Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this article addresses how to protect people living double lives like sextile workers? If you're a secret sex worker you're taking a risk. That's life.

  62. Maybe it's the Facebook or Messenger app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If both people have the Facebook app on their phones, and they (or their phones) are in close geographic proximity on a regular basis, then Facebook might think that those two people know one another.

    She probably needs to keep one phone for her "regular" life and another for her job.

  63. It's obvious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost certainly the problems stem from using the same equipment (with the same MAC address,) or the same internet connection (with the same IP address) or a combination of both, CONSISTENTLY, or she has pictures of herself on both, which changes in makeup and clothing will do nothing to stop an algorithm from figuring out that these are pics of the same person... and that her posts to the profiles are consistent with them being from one person. Also, if she's posting photos from the same CAMERA which stamps every photo it takes indelibly with ITS identity, with its fingerprint, it makes it super-obvious that that's all one person.

    I'll just bet if she had been using TWO different cameras, two different LOGINS, with the different e-mail addresses, from different IP addresses, and NO piece of equipment used for one has EVER been used for the other, with different usernames on the equipment... that it would make it at least difficult to pin the two together.

    BUT... you know how you NEVER see Batman and Bruce Wayne in the same place at the same time, or Clark Kent and Superman? I'd also bet that when a pattern is established where Facebook has ONE user who logs in on one piece of equipment/one MAC address/one IP address... then who later that day (and NOT simultaneously) logs in from another piece of equipment/a different MAC address/a different IP address)... they can discern the likelihood, especially over time, that two different profiles or account or logins belong to one person or not.

    Bear in mind, over time, it's almost certainly the case that Facebook can infer when you're awake and when you're asleep, when you work, etc., and since you have but ONE physical body, they can determine when two different users, often with the same pattern of typing, same grammar peculiarities in their posts, same spelling errors, etc., who HAPPEN to have the same exact work and sleep patterns, or whose movements reported by equipment HAPPEN to overlap at one point...

    I bet it's possible, if one really cared to do so, to reliably fool Facebook into thinking that two or more accounts belonging to a single person belong to different people... but I'll also bet that doing so is REALLY hard, really time-consuming, requires a LOT of resources, (basically you have to be able to afford two separate places under your control, two internet connections, etc., and you have to never take any piece of internet-connected or trackable equipment (like a smart watch, for instance) from one to another, etc.,) and that's just the beginning. BUT... also bear in mind that over time, continuing to keep Facebook fooled gets harder and harder as more and more data pile up. It would probably be easier if you could hand-off one of your identities to someone else with whom you otherwise have no connection to log in and browse or make posts for you, so that you can do so at random times that don't correlate with the browsing and posting habits of your other self, but then, that other self is no longer really YOU, is it.

    Oh, and for all the people I've already read, and all the ones currently angrily banging away at their keyboards about how people need to be jailed for violations of privacy... you've apparently forgotten a few key things:

    ONE: every Facebook user AGREED to all of this. You had to to establish an account, which means you had to agree to their terms of service, as they may periodically amend from time to time without notice, and to which your use of the service implies and affirms your agreement? You know, it was in that big block of vague, arcane text you scrolled to the bottom of without reading before clicking on the "I ACCEPT" button. Remember that? Even TRYING to fool Facebook is probably a violation of some term or another in that terms of service document you didn't read... but I'm sure they don't kick you off for that, as you're still valuable to them, as a product to sell to advertisers, so why would or should they stop you, especially when screwing with you is so much more fun, showing you ho

  64. I know how this is happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take great pains not to have anyone I work with or anyone at my work be a friend or a friend of a friend on my facebook account. So because of this I would rarely get "People you may know" notices on facebook for anyone I worked with. I recently got a new Samsung S8 phone and after I installed the facebook app on my new S8 phone I started to get "People you may know" notices for people at work. And for people I haven't talked to in years. I did some investigating and found that all those people are currently in my contacts on my new phone as I transferred my contacts from my old phone. So F*** You Samsung and Facebook for allowing this to happen. I now need to get two phones. A work phone and a private phone, and no facebook on the work phone. I have been holding off on doing this but now need to.

    1. Re:I know how this is happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of getting two shitty spyware phones running a Google operating system with Facebook preinstalled, you could just buy one iPhone.

    2. Re:I know how this is happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if your coworkers searched for you they may also show up in your "People you may know".

      So even if you get a separate phone and follow what you said above, your coworkers could still show up. and there are other ways that facebook can determine you may know each other, such as using the same wifi, being in the background of one of your coworkers photos, being in your coworkers contact list, and there are probably many other ways they can connect the dots

  65. I just permanently deleted my Facebook account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (I just believe that it is going to be deleted)

  66. Better explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, more likely, one or more of her clients found out her real identity (sneaking a peek at her mail, or her ID), and looked her up later on social media. Incoming hits from other people linked her to them.

  67. GPS in Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure it's using location API from the mobile OS. It most likely noticed that her phone was in close proximity to these other Facebook user's phones on a regular basis. From there, they are making an assumption that interaction is occurring.

    I noticed this happening to me when I started dropping my child off at school in the mornings and suddenly after about 2 weeks of that I was seeing the friend suggestions for the other parents appearing in my feed. We've never had pictures together, never been tagged in events together, I never even spoke to these people.

  68. Not Facial Recognition by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    Unlikely. Location, possibly inferred by comments on local politics or events, and definitely ip address and photo geotagging, put people in the same city.

    From there, a tenuous link can suggest people you may know, not people we think you know.

    People put extra weight on a successful suggestion that they didn't want, and ignore the wrong suggestions.

    There are all kinds of explanations here, but I would need to interview several people to figure it out exactly. Facebook is likely mingling ad data and hits to the fb "share" links and putting them together to get a composite identity. How they overlap may be as simple as that.

  69. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Actually, the username is unique. You can change it, but even then it still needs to be unique.

    Given that I also have a unique name, it's kinda hard to "prove" that someone isn't me if that name comes up on FB. Then it's nice to be the one who has the account that is "in" my name instead of "therealwillsmith" or some bull like that. It makes the whole deal a bit more credible.

    Be it as it may, I know that it's at best going to discourage those that aren't really committed to slander, but it's as much as I can sensibly do.

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  70. Browser information leaking and ISPdata collection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Browser information leaking:
    Most people are unaware that every site you visit can see every other site you visit(ed) and every tab you have open.
    All Facebook would need to discover a secret identity is for you to login to that email (or any account for that identity) in the same browser as you login into Facebook.

    1. Anything confidential should be done in Firefox private tabs only (get the Ublock Origin plugin).
    2. Separate different kinds of services and identities to different browsers. Only use Facebook (real identity), gmail and youtube in Chrome. Never login in on Firefox where you do other business.
    3. Clear your browser data periodically and give them less to mine and less to associate.
    4. The same is true with Phones never contaminate a Phone with information from one other the othe.

    ISP data collection
    1. This year ISP's can start collecting information on users directly and none of that will matter. The far right has once again sold away our basic rights for just a few dollars. It's the greatest threat to personal privacy since the 2005 Real ID law, the greatest favor to foreign intelligence services the far right has ever done. The far left would no doubt do different kinds of damage if they were every to take power. Good people on the right and the left need to fight against the congressional protection of the privately owned big brother/foreign intelligence agent existential threat to the USA.

  71. What privacy rules? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are these "privacy rules" that you're talking about? Assuming they exist, are you saying that one of the rules is that you can't reveal information about other people, even when they consent? (As you know, Facebook users have consented.)

  72. MOD PARENT UP by Katatsumuri · · Score: 1

    I knew this was possible, but did not know it was widespread. Thanks for sharing.

  73. IP/MAC Addresses on the same Network for emails. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously. She thought she was being smart, but people still don't understand networking.

  74. Facebook has been creeping for a long time by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2

    Six or seven years ago, when I first started using Facebook, it kept suggesting a landlord I'd had five years previously as someone I might know. He was an okay guy, but we never socialized beyond pleasantries when I handed him the rent check and we had no online connections at all. I presume FB is either searching through municipal records or purchasing banking data.

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    1. Re:Facebook has been creeping for a long time by grimdel · · Score: 1

      More likely the connection was made via your address/location and/or IP address for the place you were renting from.

    2. Re:Facebook has been creeping for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you have your phone in your pocket when you handed him your rent check? Did he?
      Facebook uses geolocation data. If two people are in the same place at the same time, FB will wonder if they're friends.

  75. FaceBook Feature Request by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

    "Allow listing in friends you may know" checkbox

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  76. Srsly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have never used Facebook; I donâ(TM)t think Iâ(TM)ve ever even browsed there. I also went through a really unpleasant divorce 3 years ago. And now, whenever I start dating someone, Facebook offers my ex up as a potential friend.

    Fsck you Facebook. Let me move on with my life.

  77. ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the problem isn't that she's knowingly and repeatedly breaking the law, and leading a double life? The problem is that a computer program is getting confused (by her double life), and potentially outing her? Sorry. She's the problem, not Facebook.

  78. The left is more complex than you think by wonkavader · · Score: 2

    Many on the left would love to decriminalize sex work. I think if you look at opinion-pieces on this, you'll find virtually everyone for legalization to be either a libertarian or a liberal.

     

    1. Re:The left is more complex than you think by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      But both sides!!! BOTH SIDES!!!

      (Sidenote: A major reason for Third Wave Feminism is that second wave really did have strong negative rhetoric about sex work, which lead to many - including the people Feminists thought they were trying to help - rejecting the movement. So it's not always been true, although even second wave feminists felt the prostitution itself should be legal, though with nuisance provisions against kerb crawlers and other anti-social acts that customers of prostitutes brought.)

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    2. Re:The left is more complex than you think by avandesande · · Score: 1

      A small minority would. You could say the same thing about libertarian leaning conservatives.

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    3. Re: The left is more complex than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know plenty of right-leaners who donâ(TM)t mind partaking of the very sex worker services they decry. They may not call for making it legal, but they want it just as much.

    4. Re:The left is more complex than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when are libertarians and liberals on the left?

      Both part of the left and conservatives tend to favour recriminalisation of prostitution, for different reasons. Leftists who oppose prostitution tend to argue that it cannot truly be voluntary for some reason. Conservatives (especially christian democrats) tend to argue that it is morally wrong according to their value set and that therefore other people are not allowed to engage in prostitution either. Liberals decriminalised prostiution in the first place, because they are of the opinion that it is nobody elses business if a person wants to perform sex work.

    5. Re:The left is more complex than you think by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 1

      This is NOT true; a lot of the fervent opposition to opposition comes from the left, though their concerns are a bit different from that of the religious right.

      Availability of affordable, ubiquitous sex reduces the market value of women as far as men are concerned. This undercuts a major advantage that women have in the war between the sexes. Women instinctively know this, and most of them reflexively oppose any aspect of decriminalizing prostitution. Politicians know that women as a whole want this, and know that pro-prostitution => electoral landslide loss even in leftist states.

      Most feminists, even those who believe in `true equality' also support the continued criminalization of prostitution. In addition to the gender-power concerns above, they oppose anything that might improve the lot of men as a matter of principle.

    6. Re:The left is more complex than you think by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Many on the left would love to decriminalize sex work. I think if you look at opinion-pieces on this, you'll find virtually everyone for legalization to be either a libertarian or a liberal.

      It's a real mixed bag. There are a lot of mid-30's early 40's and even later educated women who are having a hellava time finding men to marry and start a family with. They have pretty high standards for a male, and the situation with men avoiding college has meant a lot of women for not all that many men. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem....

      It's sort of a unintentionally humorous piece, with the women in the article wondering why they can't get a man, but resorting to the old tactic of degrading men. Ant the lead-in to the article notes that these women are sassy. Sassy is rude and argumentative. I'm not certain where today's women go tthe idea that being rude and argumentative was attractive.

      While I'm not into hookers, there is no question that they are financially less taxing than a wife and children.

      And that is why a lot of women on the left and center of the spectrum are against it. It is a competitive disadvantage, and it gets worse for them as they age. Many are freezing eggs because they can't find a man that is acceptable to them to breed with. I don't know if that's going to actually work.

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    7. Re:The left is more complex than you think by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      But both sides!!! BOTH SIDES!!!

      (Sidenote: A major reason for Third Wave Feminism is that second wave really did have strong negative rhetoric about sex work,

      I thought it was manspreading, mansplaining, and patriarchy based snow removal.

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  79. Use lineageos.org does nota help here? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    Only a useful set off apps...

  80. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by larryjoe · · Score: 1

    No! Are you crazy? I won't delete my Facebook account.

    I'll keep it in the empty state it is now, lest someone creates one in my name and abuses it to slander me.

    How does this help? Isn't it trivial to impersonate someone on Facebook, given that names are not required to be unique and identity is not verified?

  81. WhatsApp is Facebook's toy... by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    Is not possible that who can collected the info was WhatsApp app?

  82. My first Facebook account by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

    Until a couple of years ago I refused to be a part of Facebook. But, over time I was worn down by the family using it as their main source of communication about trips and what not. Eventually I got an account. I tried using my real name which, at the time, Facebook wouldn't allow. Facebook wouldn't allow my brother to use his real name either. So, my brother made up a fake account for me. Which took a little work as Facebook used to really hate fake names.

    Anyway, when I logged in for the FIRST time Facebook suggested my father as my first contact.

    That's some scary shit, right there.

  83. Could Be As Simple As by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her customers found her on Facebook themselves and after doing so they came up as suggested friends.

  84. Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The criminalization of prostitution doesn't fix any of those negative aspects. Decriminalization allows us to tax it. When we tax something we keep records and make requirements/offer services to the workers in that industry. Those requirements/services would be aimed at reducing the issues you're speaking of above. There will still be illegal prostitution, but legalization would greatly diminish that.

    Prohibition didn't solve the evils of alcohol, they exacerbated them. The war on drugs hasn't stopped drug us, it's simply exacerbated the negative affect it had on society.

    The first-order vs. higher-order stuff you're prattling about above is not directly connected with party affiliation. Stupid people only think about first-order affects. There are stupid people on either end of the spectrum.

    Meanwhile, please point me to one member of congress presenting a "proper solution that provides far more balance and tries to avoid unintended side effects" for the ills of sex workers and their clients. By which I mean a solution other than "more prison, bigger guns."

    1. Re:Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Wife,
      New iPhone. $859 = Sex twice. Diamond earrings. $378. Sex once. Sex worker $200. Sex once and she was not there nagging in the morning!
      Which one is really the prostitute? Most married women hate sex workers as they remove the "you are married and can't have sex until I say so and then it will come at a cost" barrier.
      Guess where my next $200 is going?

      captcha = ponies

    2. Re:Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Legalization has nothing to do with taxes.
      During the time when prostitution still was illegal in germany, tax inspectors regularly 'invaded' the houses of prostitutes and collected taxes or forced them to make tax declarations.

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    3. Re:Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taxation just doesn't solve anything. It's just theft by another name. It's theft by the biggest gang in town. Where on earth did you get an idea that taxing something somehow makes it safer. Legalizing and providing access to non-violent conflict resolution makes everybody safer. Even non-government conflict resolution could theoretically work because the main issue businesses have with criminality is one has no recourse and you don't know whose screwing you over and you can't adequately protect your product from theft. If I get screwed over in a business transaction with another business I don't call the police. I stop doing business with that person.

    4. Re:Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Wife,
      New iPhone. $859 = Sex twice. Diamond earrings. $378. Sex once. Sex worker $200. Sex once and she was not there nagging in the morning!
      Which one is really the prostitute? Most married women hate sex workers as they remove the "you are married and can't have sex until I say so and then it will come at a cost" barrier.
      Guess where my next $200 is going?

      captcha = ponies

      That's odd. I thought she was really into sex because I do her 2-3 times a week.
      And all she seems to want from me is that I tell her she's pretty and listen to her talk about things she's interested in while we have some coffee.
      Did you know she's funny and fairly smart?

    5. Re:Dude, talking about getting it completely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decriminalization allows us to tax it.

      No, criminals have to pay income tax too. See US gangster, Al Capone.

      ... avoid unintended side effects.

      Any answer will have unintended side effects. Now other countries are looking for different answers, the "tough on crime" or "more prison, bigger guns" answer is demonstrably the worst answer.

  85. Re:Why is she entitled to keep her profession secr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People on some other websites can't keep their identity a secret, so why should you Mr Anonymous Coward?

  86. Hahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So 'weaponizing personal information to use against people' is what we call living in reality?

    Look, if lots of people happen to think being a whore isn't great and don't want to associate with you because of that, you need to accept reality instead of complaining that you're not able to have a secret identity to fool them. Can't have both.

  87. Musings on how identity separation can fail by grimdel · · Score: 1

    Theorizing how she could have been 'outed' * She took steps from separating her 'real' life from 'work' life', but did she do the same to seperate her 'work' life from her 'real' life? Did she conceal her real identity from her workers? Does she avoid being photographed on smart devices? All it takes is for them to mention her real name in their 'work' social media or to tag her on a photograph for Facebook to make the connection. * Does she avoid posting self-photographs on her 'real' life Facebook page? Facebook's photo recognition could be sophisticated enough to correlate her photos with any photos her 'workers' may have snapped and uploaded, along with location & timestamps to make the connection. * Does she keep seperate smart mobile devices an/or turn off personal info collection like GPS? If she has location tracking turned on for her 'real' life smart device, then facebook can correlate that she frequents places, establishments, and timestamps and notice that she's often at the same places & times as her co-workers and that she may know them.

  88. Good Muslim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like you and your friend are good Muslims.

  89. I'll be your tier 1 tech support person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we can't go back

    What happens when you try? Please describe the symptoms you observed after your wife, siblings and parents all stopping using Facebook (and stopped loading their javascript SDK, like-button iframes, etc).

    1. Re:I'll be your tier 1 tech support person by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Please describe the symptoms you observed after your wife, siblings and parents all stopping using Facebook

      You can't make that happen, which is basically my point. I can't make other people stop using it if they think it's a good thing to use. Even if half of the actual facebook users worldwide were to decide today to never use it again, they would still get enough information from the other half to keep on doing what they're doing. Facebook would still know plenty about me and all the other people who have never had an account or signed in.

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  90. Numerous data sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You walk around with your cellphone. You have location tracking / GPS turned ON.
    Facebook is knows exactly where you are.
    Your "FRIENDS" are doing the same. All they have to do is compare the geographical information and viola you get a suggestion.

    This happens to me all the time with people that move into rental homes around me. I never email them. I never connect with them on facebook. I might run into them while walking my dog! Then all of a sudden I have a friend suggestion. The only way this is happening is because they have both parties geo-located.

    Turn off the GPS lady!!!! (if you can, lolz, because just because the icon is OFF doesn't mean its really off)
    They can even use Wifi access points nearby to locate your approximate position.

  91. ip address? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Updates to two different accounts coming from the same IP? Or through the same ISP? I've noticed that Google Maps, for instance, tries to guess my physical location even through a corporate firewall. The problematic identity should probably show a different origin, but sex workers are probably unlikely to think of that.

    I suspect that one part of Facebook's data mining is to find other users geographically close to you, and this is what tripped her up. A simple solution might be to have her alternate identity not use facebook or any social media widget (like instagram) that has a connection to facebook. (Suggestions for you: "Laura Goodbooty" is now on Instagram as nicebutt1039. Follow?" Oh geeze...) Of course, it's too late for that now. She may have to move out of the area.

    So. Sex workers on Facebook. That would explain the occasional friend request I get from accounts that only contain three or four pictures of a 20-ish girl in yoga pants and handbra. And here I just assumed it was the NSA.

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    1. Re:ip address? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      So. Sex workers on Facebook. That would explain the occasional friend request I get from accounts that only contain three or four pictures of a 20-ish girl in yoga pants and handbra. And here I just assumed it was the NSA.

      I just assumed it was a more sophisticated Nigerian scam. Or a straight up spammer.

  92. Victim-less crime? Not quite by aristotle-dude · · Score: 0
    The liberal perspective is that prostitution is a crime without a victim and an exchange of money for sex between two consenting adults.

    The problem is that many prostitutes lie about their age and you are likely hooking up with a 16, 17 or 18 year old. Now 18 might be technically legal age but numerous studies have shown that even well adjusted individuals do not really mature until they reach 25 years of age.

    Now consider that they prostitute you are getting serviced by might have run away from home because she was being abused by her father or step father.

    So essentially, you are potentially abusing a child who had been abused by a caregiver in her home previously. Even if they are 18 or 19, their mental and emotional development has been retarded by previous abuse. They are in no position to consent to sex with an adult.

    So you are no better than someone like Harvey Weinstein. Does any of this alter your view of prostitution? It is not a business deal between equals and I have not even brought up pimps and human trafficking into the picture yet.

    Liberals often only look on the surface whereas conservatives look at the big picture. Try to be a big picture type person. Consider the effect your actions might have on others and where they might have come from.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  93. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook knows you exist.

    IIRC, they yanked every public record they could and created ghost profiles for everybody. They update the ghost profile with data from the real profile, if it exists.

  94. GPS by darkain · · Score: 1

    Facebook partially does this via reoccurring common GPS locations during the same time frame. I travel North America attending a certain theme of trade show, sometimes hitting upwards of 20+ shows a year for work. People I've personally NEVER met are pretty much my entire "people you may know" list, and just looking at their public posts and photos, it is quite obvious they attend some of the same shows I work. This person in particular probably has both phones in her purse at the same time, so Facebook sees the common travel patterns of the two, and assumes they're related.

  95. You use Facebook, you have given up your privacy by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Facebook even recognizes people that are NOT on Facebook. You can find "your full name profile" on Facebook, just in case.

    Facebook keeps track of everything, if you have 2 accounts, but use the same browser, a cookie will keep track of that easy. Facial recognition does the rest.

    Even LinkedIn does this, one of my retired colleagues walked into the office, he had the LinkedIn app on his phone and everybody got a notice not even 5 mins later "you may know so-and-so". GPS tracking on the app had matched their locations.

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  96. Why do people use the FaceBook app? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    For people who use FaceBook: Why use the app? It's a web site. I even remember reading articles years ago about how they went through all kinds of effort to make their web site super mobile friendly. By installing the app, you give them access to your photos, contacts, location, etc. What possibly reason would there be to do that?

  97. Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably snoops your browser history and tracks to which cell towers your phone connects to as well.

    A while back, son of a distant cousin (distant in relation, close geographically) had some issues with his PC so he called me for help.
    It sounded like the issue was power related but he assured me that his PSU had enough power to run it all.
    It was the PSU. He read the wrong numbers on the box.

    BUT... After I downloaded a GPU test to check my suspicions about his computer, which naturally required an internet connection, and he took his computer home with an advice what to buy so his games would no longer crash the system - he starts appearing as "people you may know" on my Facebook profile.
    Despite the fact that we have no direct connection on Facebook. His dad is not on any social network. Same for his mom.
    And he's too young to be in social circles of our mutual cousins.
    But once his computer connected to the internet through my router... there he is.

    On another note... got a new phone which (naturally) has cell tower broadcast notifications turned on by default.
    Which I notice only as it starts pinging me with notifications as I go around town and move between different cell towers.
    Coincidentally, during that same walk I notice a former colleague on the other side of the street, going home from work.
    He doesn't even notice me, he's on the other side of the street, there's traffic between us, and I'm not about to shout and wave or jump around for him to notice me.
    We never were that close anyway... which is the reason why I don't have him in my Facebook contacts.
    But we do both have some of the same former colleagues in our friend lists... and I was just in his neighborhood.

    And there he is the next day on top of the "people you may know" list. He was probably on it the whole time... but now he's on top of it.
    As soon as his phone and my phone were near the same cell tower at the same time and as my phone connected to my wireless router once back home.

    Facebook has shadow profiles on everyone already.
    All it needs is for some of the gathered data to start matching to geographical and time coordinates one's technology, friends or even interests leave all over the place - and it can start making some pretty educated guesses.

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    1. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      An app on your device does not know to what cell phone tower you connect ....
      How can you be so dumb?

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    2. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by swilver · · Score: 2

      No, the app on cell phone A notices you are at location X at a certain time (using location data) The same app (or from the same corporation) on cell phone B notices you near location X at almost the same time. A and B also happen to have a mutual friend C...

      Chances are good that if A and B know C, and A and B were near each other that A and B might know each other as well...

    3. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your stories are believable and shocking, but you may have missed an important factor: Could it not be that your cousin looked you up on facebook when getting in contact with you?

      The same is less likely with your colleague though, unless he also saw you and was curious.

    4. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      AN app on a phone can easily get the info. Here's the API on android https://developer.android.com/...

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      I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
    5. Re: Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Have you used a phone before? You regularly say stupid shit, revealing you're an idiot. You should refrain from adding your two cents from now on.

    6. Re: Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That all makes me want to live in a shack in the middle of nowhere, away from modern conveniences.

    7. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Think of it like this...

      Imagine each cell tower being a lighthouse instead and your mobile phone as a ship on the sea.
      Now... Sailors (apps) on your ship (phone) may not know your exact course or location but they can see a lighthouse and they can tell time. And every lighthouse just happens to blink in a different way.
      So... once you come into port (connect to a router) that sailor (app) who is spying on you the whole time reports to his masters where and when you were sailing.
      They don't know where exactly you were while at sea, but they know near which location you were, when and in which order.

      It doesn't have to be precise.
      Sometimes just knowing the town you're in at the same time as people "related" to you in some way is enough to push that "people you may know" recommendation to the top of the list.

      Which is why the "sex worker in fabula" gets recommendations of people who've been around same parts of same towns at the same time that she was there.
      They must have shared interests. Or at least their phones and apps on them do.
      And that's without getting all... AI about it.

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    8. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      On Android ... was not aware of that.
      That is a security hole ... no idea why they allowed that.

      I was more thinking about a web page, as I basically only use FB via the web.

      Thanks for the info, though.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    9. Re: Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Yes,
      I use cell phones since about 1993.

      And my phone does not really know/reveal to what tower it connects, hence no app can know it, and AFAIK there is no API for Apps to guess/know to what tower the phone is connects.

      Why are you insulting me and making an idiot of your self?

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    10. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      What about: the strongest signal wins?
      Hu? A cell phone simply has one antenna. Not to eyes. It can not even "look at a light house".

      The point was about MAC address. Unless your phone exposes an API (and my web browser on my laptop most certainly does not), there is no way the App can know the MAC address and send that to the server.

      The App has no way to know the "names" of cell phone towers either.

      The App can only use/post the location.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    11. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Because there's all sorts of interesting things you can do with it. You do require a special permission to get this information, which the user has to agree to at either installation or runtime.

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    12. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      To provide more info- you have to request COARSE_LOCATION permission to get it. The same permission you need to get network based location. Which makes sense, as network based location uses this info to provide a location.

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      I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
    13. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The MAC address has nothing to do with network based location.
      And strictly speaking, the celular circuits to connect to mobile internet, don't even have a MAC address.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    14. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      See what happens when a dumbass like you opens his mouth and speaks with authority on something you know nothing about?

      Apps absolutely CAN see what cell tower you are connected to. Go read the Android developer documentation.

      You basically implied the GP was an idiot and you succeeded in proving that it is YOU that is the moron. Good job.

      List getAllCellInfo ()

      Returns all observed cell information from all radios on the device including the primary and neighboring cells. Calling this method does not trigger a call to onCellInfoChanged(), or change the rate at which onCellInfoChanged() is called.

    15. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      https://developer.android.com/...

      Hope that helps ....

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    16. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      The App has no way to know the "names" of cell phone towers either.

      Wait... you trying to tell me you never saw a notification from a cell tower notifying you to which cell tower and which network you are connected?
      That thing where it lets you know the operator and the label of the tower you're connected to, usually named after the neighborhood it's placed in?

      The App can only use/post the location.

      And what would you call a designation attached to such location of a specific cell tower? How about "a name"?

      What about: the strongest signal wins?
      Hu? A cell phone simply has one antenna. Not to eyes. It can not even "look at a light house".

      Number of "eyes" or antennae does not matter - "the strongest signal wins" is precisely how the phone (and thus the app) knows that at Time001 it was near one tower and at Time010 it was near a different tower.
      Or if the "eyes" and "lighthouses" is a too confusing metaphor - try foghorns or loud music.
      Or picking up different radio stations on the same frequency as you drive down the road. Even a blind passenger could tell where you're at simply by listening to the music changing on the same frequency.

      In fact, "the strongest signal wins" allows for triangulation of movement - an app can tell the strength of the signal from tower A and WHEN it was overridden by the strength of the signal from tower B.
      At the intersection of those two signals - there you are.
      Hell... an app actually sees any tower even remotely in range, allowing for higher precision in urban areas.

      The point was about MAC address. Unless your phone exposes an API (and my web browser on my laptop most certainly does not), there is no way the App can know the MAC address and send that to the server.

      MAC address case and cell tower case are two different events.

      Frankly I don't know what my cousin's kid has running on that box of his. Or the permissions he gave to scripts and whatnot. For all I know it's probably crawling with spyware.
      BUT... considering that today almost any piece of hardware comes with a "social component" where you can "share" the crap you do, games you play, places you're at with your "friends" - and most often it does that by "logging in with Facebook"...
      Who needs spyware? Fucking drivers are calling back to Facebook.

      Hell... I had a situation not so long ago where an overburdened Firefox, with a whole bunch of tabs, started crashing on me... causing my screen to start turning off and on. WTF?
      Turns out, Firefox was taking NVIDIA drivers with it as it crashed - cause a graphic card driver is now a hybrid app, with a web browser of its own, so it can "connect" and "share" and "login".

      But you are right that it doesn't even have to be the MAC address. Gathering geolocation WOULD do.
      Hell... it'd do a lot better than a MAC address to identify an actual person.
      But why stop there, when he came to my home with his mobile in his pocket, running who knows what, accessing all the cell towers and wireless routers along the way, from his front door to mine.

      And if you can ask your phone to look for wireless networks around you - so can any app you gave permissions to access Wi-Fi.
      Same goes for any other hardware, software or personal info on the phone. If you can see it, so can an app.
      In fact, an app can often access system files and various other telemetry data much easier than the average user. Or even the above average one.
      And everyone happily allows apps to do just that.
      Cause everyone wants their Vibers for nothing and their tweets for free.

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    17. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Show me the Android API then ...

      Sorry, cell pone towers have no names that an App can store in a DB and recognize later as: oh, I already was here.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    18. Re:Facebook tracks your MAC addresses as well... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      You seem to have a problem understanding that "location" and "coordinates" - both of which are a very well known factors for cell towers are the same thing as a "name".
      It's a designation. Whether you attach an IP address, an ASCII name or a number to it - it's a name.

      FFS, it's a part of the underlying protocols.

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  98. Tor browser... by emil · · Score: 1

    ...strongly suggests that you never resize it, and constantly presents warning dialogs about canvas fingerprinting.

    Facebook has an .onion site, and works well with Tor browser.

  99. s/market tripe/market clue/g by epine · · Score: 1

    Free country, free to exchange goods and services, and free to engage in known workplace risks for such, yadda yadda yadda.

    Not even hard-core neoliberal economists believe this tripe.

    There are many categories of market that capitalist democracies prohibit universally and unconditionally, such as selling your children, burial remains (but I dug them up on my property!), endangered-species penis powders (as in "made from" rather than "made for"), consumer products under a severe-hazard safety recall, and Oscar statuettes.

    I added that last one just to get your bile up, but before you do, take heed that it's the only one on my short list imposed by the market itself, rather than government fiat.

    Why Academy Award Winners Can't Sell Their Oscars

    Seriously, raise your game. All you're managing to do is give respectable libertarians a bad reputation.

    Whether sexual service constitutes a valid marketplace has been hotly contested in nearly every society known.

    Clay Shirky: "Little Rice" | Talks At Google

    Around 51m11 Shirky talks about duplicity on the part of the Chinese government in allowing corporate VPNs to bypass the firewall, but not personal firewalls. Somewhere else in that talk, he talks about the (large) category of activities which are "illegal, yet allowed" (until further notice—which will arrive abruptly, if it arrives at all).

    Most societies "allow" the dopamine trade (sex, drugs, alcohol) but make substantial efforts to push it to the dark margins. (This compromise vastly predates neoliberal ideology, which hasn't changed a damn thing about how this part of the economy works.)

    The one dopamine trade, fructose/sucrose, that historically escaped the heavy thumb, having recently been identified as such (the American metabolic syndrome epidemic is impossible not to notice in the healthcare spending balloon) has actually gone mano a mano in public debate in the way you seem to think this whole sphere operates.

    Sugary Drinks Portion Cap Rule

    What this rule amounts to is not having more than half a liter of dangerously sweet liquid show up on your receipt as a single line item (no-one is stopping anyone from ordering a six-pack of 12-ouncers, all for personal consumption; I don't even think the rules prevented McSodaCorp from offering three for the price of two).

    Because homo economicus is a giant myth, the inability of McSodaCorp to list the 50-ounce portion on their display menu changes the purchasing behaviour of people who never in their wildest dreams would have purchased a 50-ounce portion (this effect is known as the framing effect). The putative "cap" doesn't stop you from arriving in the same place, supposing you were choosing on such a rational basis in the first place (which most people are not, in small affairs).

    I'm legitimately torn and I see both sides. On this issue, I think either path is viable. A society might choose more nudge or less nudge, and then experience different pros and cons (please note when adding up the utilitarian total that the prematurely dead fail to exercise much big-f Freedom during the imprudently excised portion of their otherwise naturally allotted span).

    Society also regulates alcohol portion size, but this rarely prevents anyone determined to do so from getting entirely slozzled. Fructose eventually kills through one of the same metabolic pathways by which excess alcohol consumption leads to fatty liver disease. Both chemicals lead to dependency loops, but only one causes people to slur their words. There's even a perspective that alcohol is ultimately less dangerous for many people, because you can only get shit-faced once per evening, rather th

    1. Re:s/market tripe/market clue/g by scourfish · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in which neoliberals/libertarians disapprove of people being allowed to use their own bodies for money. I'm skeptical that you would find a majority.

  100. Canvas Fingerprinting by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    You seem to have overlooked where he wrote "from a separate laptop". Canvas fingerprinting work on a per machine basis. That's what the "fingerprint" refers to. It is not a way to link activities between different machines.

  101. Doesn't help with metadata... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Conversation, Tigra(sp?) etc, all available via F-droid.org can allow you to use any federated XMPP server to chat with anyone else on an XMPP server. If you are concerned about privacy, find a trustworthy server you can all connect to, or start up your own only for friends. With OTR and account verification you can be plenty sure your encrypted messages aren't being MITM'd, with the ratchet cipher stuff (not available in most clients yet..) you can even do the same for whole chat channels (conference in XMPP parlance) of users.

    If you need an alternative for voice chat you can look into Plumble (android client) plus murmur for push to talk style voice chat with either tcp or udp encrypted channels (It supports 128 bit AES for UDP or transmitting audio over the up to 256 bit AES TCP control channel.) Given this you have alternatives for secure transmission of your communications, assuming your devices are secure, but only limited security of association, since the server admins or any servers you pass through on a federated server connection could snoop on your metadata.

    Each step you add makes their job that much harder, and done by enough people could help bankrupt their surveillance apparatus. It is too bad then, that not enough people will concern themselves with it to make it financially draining to do :(

    1. Re:Doesn't help with metadata... by fisted · · Score: 1

      This wasn't about privacy. I'm willing to believe that the encryption itself is okay.

  102. If your two cell phones are in the same room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much, if your two cell phones are in the same room multiple times, facebook thinks you are friends.

    This can be down solely based off of gps, but it can also be done by inaudible audio communications between the phones.

    Lastly, if she goes to a client and connects to their wifi, it would be easy to determine. Or even if the wifi availability are the same between two users at the same time.

    These are just all educated guess, but it wouldn't be hard to figure out who you are in a room with if you had access to everyone's cell phone and could run software on anyone's cell phone.

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  104. The word is not "sex worker" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The word is prostituite.

    1. Re:The word is not "sex worker" by PPH · · Score: 1

      Could also be dominatrix. And now you will have to lick her boots for that indiscretion.

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  105. True BFF Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally Johns get their BFF experience for free, thanks to Facebook.

    So let me get this. The Johns get her info and call her number on her burner phone.
    She then sets up a time and sees if her "John apartment" in Fremont is available. It is, she texts him back that the "Grocery Store" is open and that business lunch is approved. The John then goes on the Google Maps app on the phone to find the location of the apartment on a 3 month lease. She goes on Facebook to post her new picture of her puppy. Google goes through the phone's phone logs to see that the phones are linked by calling history and then later the GPS portion of the Facebook app links their Facebook accounts. They should logically be friends already. Then again, she probably uses her only phone for business because she is a prostitute and is used to making a whole lot of bad decisions in her life.

    So this is what I would do.

    Make sure the burner phone is a flip phone.
    Turn off your other phone within 5 miles of your "Place of business"
    Tell your Johns the same, because sure as heck their wives will present this evidence at their divorce. Or buy a safe and put the phones in it during business.

    There is more to be done, but that is a start.

  106. Happens to anyone using a pseudonym by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    I have multiple email addresses under my real name - work, different email services - and two addresses using variants of "DutchUncle". At some point Facebook started trying to connect them together. Connecting information is their stated business.

  107. Shared WiFi on Multiple Occassions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might not be using GPS "location data" per se, but I'll bet they look at which phones are sharing the same WiFi hotspots at the same time frequently.

  108. Nefarious Tracking, even with no Cookies & AdB by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Aye, there are strange forces at work. Potentially IP Address among other data being utilized.

    For instance:
    I use Gmail from Chrome. In Firefox (main browser) I never login for YouTube nor Google searches.

    Last week, I used YouTube from Chrome (which I almost never have), not logged in. The recommended list of videos was your standard fare of celebrity crap, late night news and politics.

    I logged into YouTube from Chrome - the recommended list of videos now included dozens of things and sections matching (unlogged in) Firefox Google searches, and previously watched videos on YouTube from Firefox.

    Which shouldn't really be happening, cookies are generally disabled and uMatrix blocks most third-party domain activity that hasn't been whitelisted.

    (Interesting that Slashdot's HTML edit box doesn't require manual line <br/>eaks anymore).

  109. Yup by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    It has become plain impossible for an average social network user to avoid something like this.

    I'd guess IP, location, or perhaps even something else ousted her.
    And Facebook doesn't give a fuck, because it's that sort of thing that helps them convince advertisers to pay them money.

  110. Maybe she's being geolocalised by FrankOVD · · Score: 1

    After a big party or festival, I often realize that Facebook suggest me relations with people I've been in the same place with, even though we didn't confirm attending or being interested in the same events, even though we didn't tag each other or didn't add new common friends. My guess is that either Facebook makes connections through common friends actions, or it uses our GPS location to put us in the same place at the same time.

  111. Contact harvesting (the OTHER guy's contacts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have many email addresses. Hundreds. It makes spam and email management easier. (if you're a procmail geek like me anyway) Long story short I have some email addresses that I am surprised to see spam on. Thinking carefully about where and how the various addresses had been used, and considering the spam content, I realized that the addresses had been harvested from someone ELSE'S contacts list. A contact that I emailed in the past with said address. I would not be surprised if Facebook is harvesting some of my information from other people's contacts.

    There is a certain "Heisenberg" principle to this kind of thing. You can't interact with reality without leaving traces by altering said reality. Those alterations can be tracked. In the old days it was just fingerprints, but now something as simple as being in the same photo with someone can permanently associate you with them. Because well, that photo.

    So key to maintaining the veneer is to minimize not the collection of data, but the creation of it. For example don't do things that alter photon paths in front a photon recorder. For starters.

  112. Phone links both worlds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless they maintain two phones, and turn off the "vanilla" phone before traveling to appointments. The "work" phone should never be used at "home" for Internet, because Facebook icons are everywhere are going to track that phone's Internet use and either identify it as the same person or at least someone who lives in the same household.

    Doing "work" and "vanilla" life on the same phone is going to make it impossible to separate the two. Even blocking Facebook's access to contacts and the phone dialer isn't going to be enough. Giving Facebook access to contacts and the phone dialer is going to give them an instant map to "work" life.

  113. It's working 100% as designed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is explicitly Zuckerberg's intent.

    "To take another grand theory, Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg has exclaimed his desire to liberate humanity from phoniness, to end the dishonesty of secrets. âoeThe days of you having a different image for your work friends or co-workers and for the other people you know are probably coming to an end pretty quickly,â he has said. âoeHaving two identities for yourself is an example of a lack of integrity.â

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

  114. Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Within a valid working context Facebook suggested a new colleague from a new firm based on location information at our best guess. Also likely linked to the fact that we had at least one mutual friend. In a world of three degrees of separation not an unlikely scenario. I'd stronly suggest turning of location based information where possible if you feel relationships may be compromised by Facebook or Googles algorithms.

  115. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    How many John Smiths do you think there are on Facebook? It's more than one.

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  116. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When 2 cell phones are regularly at the same exact location, using the same WiFi hot spot, etc., it's not a real deal to make it up that "they are related". Add some pictures and facial recognition... And if she is using a "friendly fingerprint phone" - I mean please!!! Where is the "secret algorithm"!?

  117. A matter of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... her real-world connection to these people ...

    When their phones are connecting to the same wi-fi hot-spots and same cell towers at the same time, there's a connection. If her different phones have the same owner or same residential address, that's another connection. If her different phones visit the same web-sites, that's a pattern. Using different devices to log into the same account provides identification. Using those relationships to find a real-world connection, is a matter of time.

  118. Look at the name by TheSync · · Score: 1

    It is called "Facebook", not "Maskbook" or "Hoodedbook" or "Costumebook".

  119. Don't want people to know your identity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you consider not fucking them?

  120. Still Learning How to be Facebook, I guess. by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    It's pretty clear from the comments I read here that people often want to present separate identities to different groups of other people. I think that after cyberbullying news stories, Facebook took the position that none of these desires are to be treated as legitimate. Certainly, in every case that someone desires to hold multiple identities, someone with whom that person interacts will be unhappy about it. While I consider that having separate identities so one might connect with like minded people while avoiding religious persecution is a good thing, the people enacting the religious persecution will disagree. Ideally, one would be able to simply tell Facebook "I want to keep these identities separate," and they would do the rest. That would also benefit Facebook, because they would much less frequently be scaring users by showing how powerful is their knowledge. However, this immediately puts Facebook into the same boat with encryption services, because government law enforcement will want access to knowledge of connections between identities, and not always for reasons Facebook might support. The ultimate answer likely lies in plausible deniability. Facebook's AIs will need to not only learn that separate connections are by the same person (clearly getting pretty easy), but also learn why that person wants to keep them separate. That way they can not admit to knowing about the religious freedom related connections, but "accidentally" out the cyberbullying related connections. Those AIs are still learning, though. Give them some time.

  121. Photos by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    One way this can happen is through photos you've taken. If you don't strip the metadata out of all photos before sending them to Facebook, then Facebook can recognize that photos posted on both accounts came from the same device. If those photos are not widely posted, it pretty clearly identifies the accounts as at least belonging to closely associated people.

  122. wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a concerted effort to churn out negative news about Facebook and Google?

    1. Re:wtf by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Is there a concerted effort to churn out negative news about Facebook and Google?

      Nope. no effort involved.

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  123. I am completely surprised that facebook was able by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am completely surprised that farcebook was able to make that connection - really you haven't heard of cookies?

  124. Ban sex work! by tom.wieland · · Score: 0

    Did you ever hear about a whore who walks up to a guy to tell him she likes him and would like his number and change his life? Whores will only take from life. Nothing they do should be worth any money, yet dumb guys are willing to give them money for illusions. In my opinion, if women want equality they should ban whoring.

  125. Hosts File by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cat /etc/hosts | grep face
    # localhost is used to configure the loopback interface
    127.0.0.1 facebook.com
    127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
    127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.com
    127.0.0.1 developers.facebook.com
    127.0.0.1 ads.interfacelift.com

  126. The article doesn't mention this but... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    maybe she is using Instagram. Facebook owns both apps and I'm sure they are sharing data freely between them. That could be how the link was established.

  127. freud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I'm not sure the split her is left vs right

    oh, the freudian slips

    bonus: captcha is "exotic"

  128. Face recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet big bux that face recognition was involved. There must be a picture of her with an acquaintance or common that links her to her clients and work. That and x degrees of separation is the how facebook makes the link to her 'secret' life. The combination of millions of pictures it has and the personal profiles and it can make a good guess at connections. Welcome to the now, where privacy is a thing of the pass.

  129. Phone number is unique ID? by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    The Facebook app is on just about every smartphone, and slurps up data... *EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT*. Let's say you signed up as Jane Doe with phone # 555-987-6543 for 2-factor authentication. Let's say the several of your friends who do *NOT* have a FB account, have you listed in their contacts list as JOHN SMITH at phone # 555-987-6543.

    The FB app on their phones will slurp up that data and "phone home". Now Facebook knows that phone # 555-987-6543 really belongs to John Smith, not Jane Doe. Phone numbers are unique; they have to be.

    Facebook can pay millions to telcos and OEMs to include their app on smartphones. Given a list of phone numbers and names, and access to contact lists, it's a simple excercise to craft an SQL query to figure out who is in who's contact list... i.e. people you may know.

    Suggestion, what if you get a second phone, a "burner phone" on a cheap Pay-As-You-Go plan, and do *NOT* share the phone number with anyone? Would that throw a wrench in the works? Do telcos sell subscriber data to Facebook?

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  130. Re:STOP USING FACEBOOK: problem solved by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    My name is worldwide unique. If you google my name, you will find me, and only me.

    Plus a few things I have invented just in case some nosy prospective employer is snooping around. ;)

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  131. SNS devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our mobile devices are too convenient for tracking and sharing details.

    I like being able to share pics / messages with friends and family but why FB needs to dig into my browsing, places visited etc.. very invasive. Would like a cheap FB, SNS device that is largely offline except when I want to check or post a status. A little watch or small device with wifi & BT. Business opportunity... Andy more folks might find this more essential than a ceramic , titanium housing.

    Business

  132. Cell phone hardware by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Every cell phone has unique identifiable attributes. They are using these now to identify.

    So if you want to keep two distinct lives separate, you essentially need to have two separate phones. And I would go so far as to say on two separate plans. Keep your everday on a main service provider. Keep your incognito you, on a pre-paid phone.

  133. Here's a shocking idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you don't do stuff you're ashamed of? That way, not even the facebook will be able to snoop you out. "Sex worker" my ass, it's called prostitute.

  134. There is no privacy on social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets put it in simple terms, social media kills your privacy. The best solution for people who don't want their real work being known is to avoid FB at all, and tell friends and family that they don't have time for online social networks.

    Better be safe than sorry!

  135. Same IP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She probably posted from the same IP for each account

  136. GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most likely culprit is GPS. Facebook suggests people you've spent a significant amount of time near as friends. She and her client should turn off GPS a couple of miles away from where they meet.

  137. Another creepy story by DougBlair1997 · · Score: 1

    At a friend's house and had a passing conversation about their new ladder-style towel rack. I never searched for such a thing in my life, but Facebook began to present ads for them to me. I first thought Siri/Alexa/Samsung TV, but am now suspecting (after comments here) that using their wireless was the trigger.

  138. Did she use separate computers? by Reziac · · Score: 1

    Because if not, there's a good chance Facebook was simply responding to an earlier cookie.

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  139. That has happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have NEVER created a Facebook account, do not allow anyone to use my picture online, and even block Facebook domains in my /etc/hosts. Yet I have received ads inviting me to join based on people that I know. They are very accurate, with a success rate of about 75%.

    How can I demand that they delete all of my information from their database? Provide a username that doesn't even exist.

  140. Data pigs die in hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Filthy rotten data peddling scum will burn in a hell that they do not believe in. But it doesnt matter because karma is a bitch. They will get theirs. Most of these data grubbing hogs who have venture capitol in these filthy companies are the same who run our government and courts. May they all burn in hell for their otrocities here on Earth.

  141. How Facebook lets $cientology stalk people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They find your number they add you to contacts and go to facebook app >add friends>from contacts>there you are at the top of the list. Better not use your face picture. If any detail is not private on your profile they can just search your name and that detail. Your name and city of origin. Oops you made a big mistake, you left that one public, now you're f***ed!

  142. A Complex Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of issues going on here.One of them has to do with authority. For example does Facebook (or others) have the authority to do certain things. Not everything that doesn't have a law prohibiting it is the right thing to do. And God forbid that they think that just because something is "wrong" that they have the authority to do something about it (about as ridiculous as someone making a citizen's arrest over someone parking in the wrong space). How authority pertains here is that if they have regular people working on this "outing" phenom that its a patently creepy idea trying to track down prostitutes for the purpose of bringing them to justice. Police officers don't experience a temptation to do so on the grounds that they are authorized to do so.

    Someone's logic is a little suspect on this one and its not as uncommon as you might think.