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Interview: The Punk Hacker Kid Who Starred on MTV
When the producers of the MTV show Road Rules asked 18-year-old Abe Ingersoll to describe his job, he wrote, "Im a full time systems analyst (a.k.a. "punk hacker kid") for an Internet connectivity company thats run by a bunch of old Berkley hippies." Last month Salon did a feature story about how Abe's hacking (and cracking) skills helped him get on the show and later helped him get close to one of the female cast members. Want to be a TV star? Ask Abe how he did it. Or ask him anything else. Post your questions below. Slashdot Moderators (you know who you are) will choose the most interesting ones. Abe's answers will appear Friday.
hey dere abe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how r u 2day dood i got 4 u 2day a hacking question 4 u 2 answer 2day ok? wh4t iz the format 4 mnemonics/numeric subaddressing on yugopac? what r some arbitrary lcns 4 various sprintnet pads and what do they do? how do u use a pm4 as an outdial dOoOd? SINCE U R A HACKER PLZ ANSWER MY HACKING Q'Z PROMPTLY PLEAZE. THANKS DOOD. - MR. REALHACKER - / PAKISTANI HACKERZ CLUB ----self appointed unofficial MeMbR oF da PAKISTAN HACKERZ CLUB---- [PHC] [PHC] [PHC] [PHC] [PHC] plz reply with some nuis or padz sita is owned ps. u clueless slashdotterz plz dont answer them i want abe 2. yhes i know u think u r all very smart but u r not a hacker like abe. thx.
To all that have posted comments above: These are the professional comments I would expect from /. users... So this is the group of professionals that make linux a great OS. It was to my understanding that the linux community was a giving community that spends countless hours leading linux in the right direction. I see a group of people that truly have NO CLUE. You are idiots, while corporate america goes right along working on other OSes, you on the other hand spend your time flaming. So you know code, you consider yourself a hacker.. Then use your knowledge.. I may not have a question for Abe, but I respect that he admits that he is not a hacker but a cracker. Just a script kiddie. The truth is, we were all once script kiddies until we learned enough to hack. Abe has gone back to school, why cant you give him credit for wanting to learn more. Instead, you act like you are in preschool.. Hey.. Linux Community.. It's time to grow up.. Time to focus on Linux.. GOTO this link.. Interesting article about the linux community.. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/linux/news/0,6423, 2315016,00.html Wait... I do have a question for Abe.. What are your plans for College?? What is your major ?? btw.. Congrats on going back to school..
What can you possibly have against Surge, the nectar of the gods?
Brian Fundakowski Feldman
Just "Reading" the questions here lets the interviewee choose which questions he or she answers. No big deal with someone like Mandrake, Illiad or Abe, all of whom read Slashdot, but what about when we start interviewing politicians and corporate types? That crowd will duck hard questions every time if you let them. It's better for us to send them a list of qustions, and if they decline to answer some of them, that'll tell us something about them, too.
;-)
There are three other reasons not to let interview subjects simply come in and post: 1) For those unfamiliar with Slashdot, wading through all the "first post" and "this is gay" garbage to find the Real Questions takes too long. It saves time to do it by e-mail. 2) We don't pick the questions for at least 24 hours, because we have readers (and moderators) all over the world and want them all to have a chance to participate -- and we don't want a rushed interview subject to only see the first 20 or 30 posts, which might all be from North America. So we wait, THEN we choose. 3) Slashdot stories have (let's face it) a short shelf life. By making each interview a two-post thing, we avoid having the answers buried behind 100 stories that went up between the time we post the "call for questions" and the actual Q&A post.
The *easiest* way for us to handle interviews would be simply call people up and ask them questions in traditional newspaper style, but that woould not allow any community participation. Wouldn't you rather have the chance to ask (fill in here) your *own* questions instead of letting me or Rob or Jeff or Justin come up with all of them?
If nothing else, we're getting some interesting (even bizarre) questions from readers that would NEVER get asked anywhere else.
- Robin
Can't speak for the moderators, but I can assure you that all questions sent to Abe are ones that were moderated up to 2+ or higher. The only real question screening beyond that is weeding out posts that got moderated high, but aren't questions.
- Robin
There are several reasons why I don't care to hear this guy's answers to questions:
1. I have no respect for him. Someone does not gain my appreciation or attention by being on television. In fact, I am likely to respect them less.
2. If I want to know how he feels about things, I'll watch tho show or read the interview. The formula for Real World / Road Rules is well-known. He has been sucked into it and has lost perspective on reality. He's simply a pawn. "The Real World" is really quite an ironic title.
3. He will say nothing interesting. I read slashdot for information that is interesting to technical folk (it doesn't have to be technical itself, mind you, just interesting to nerds). This guy has no unique insight. How to use CDC software doesn't count.
4. Slashdot is closely tied with the Open Source community. OSS is involved in subverting the dominant, commercially driven, poorly done products. MTV fits these all perfectly. Why support it?
It's not an issue of hacking/cracking skills. A beginner with good insight is worth listening to . It's a matter of respect and ideals. I respect many of the non glory seeking oss people much more. I'd care to hear their opinions instead -- they have a truly unique perspective.
Thats a simple question to answer- They suck because they went from a good idea 'hey, lets play music on TV' to getting people in charge that decided that playing music on TV is bad for advertising $$$ I mean, if you are showing random music during an hour, what is to prevent someone from switching between videos? ("Oh cool, the newest xyz video is on, this kicks butt.. oh damnit, more rap, I'm changing") Shows lock you in until the end, and give four rounds of advertising guaranteed to be exposed to you. Music videos were the ideal and unfortunately MTV was too chickenshit to stick with it. They went to shows which fit into the Neilsons and allowed them to demographic the market, to get advertisers drooling. All in all, it is a complete piece of shit. I am waiting for someone to pick up on the idea for internet, once bandwidth gets cheap enough. www.video-online.com
oooh! ooh! Its a trick Question, right? =P
This way he gets to read everything, consider his responses carefully, and post another article for yet another 15 minutes of slashdot fame. Moreover, he doesn't have to waste his life reloading this page every 10 minutes.
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
Christ you're incoherent. What does MTV have to do with Ted Turner? It's owned by Viacom, which is run by Sumner Redstone.
Yeah Eros, I was just wondering, are you capable of hitting the submit button only once?
Hey, and I'm wondering why you bothered to quadruple space your moronic question.
One joke deserves another.
Yeah, MTV is the reason kids are shooting other kids. Talk about crappy blame-shifting. MTV is fluff, but it's harmless. Next you're going to blame those Gap commercials for the downturn in American intellectualism.
I thought hacking was an attitude, not being able to do your chosen list of approved things? You've never met this man, yet you're denouncing him as being a loser and a wannabe and clearly inferior to you. Yours is the kind of attitude that makes me sick about this community. I hope you are young enough that you have a chance to grow up a little before you die.
Yeah, a broken home makes you a loser. And anyone who doesn't hack the kernel regularly can't possible know anything about computers or have any talent with them. And having one article written about you in Salon (Salon!) means that you're the Poster Boy for the press. Grow up... while you still have a chance.
I think because of all those angry youth. Most of the responses here are not worthwhile questions. They're angry personal attacks by sub-teens. To actually get a decent interview the chaff has to be separated from the wheat.
And yes, the moderation system is in shambles. I think the number of available points out there is far too low. I mean, there's only two posts on this thread with a score above 1!
Would you consider yourself a script kiddie? (why or why not?)
You claim to have been running ProComm Plus on an 8086 toshiba laptop when you were younger. What model laptop was this?
Are you concerned that your cracking shenanigans and illegal actions as a youth were glorified by MTV and will result in other youth emulating your criminal actions?
Do you ever expect to have a normal life now after MTV?
What line of work do you plan to persue after your 15 minutes of fame with MTV?
Would you recommend that others use your tactics of cracking boxes and breaking into future employers boxes and so on to get a job with them?
How did you use Back Orifice to crack the boxes at Bunim/Murray? The Salon article does not make any sense about how you owned the boxes at Bunim/Murray. In fact, the Salon Article sounds like complete BS on this point (BO is not a tool to get in, its a trojan). So how did you really own their boxes?
It sounds like, in the Salon Article, that you were very cynical about the show and realized it was all BS once you broke into their boxes, so why did you join the show after you figured that out?
You also sound somewhat bitter about the way the show treated you and the way MTV over focuses on violence and conflict in the show. Would you recommend that other people join the show, knowing what you know now about it?
What does Susie think about you now?
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excellent distillation of why MTV isn't cool like it was back in 1985.
Now what I don't get is, MTV was raking in TONS of cash back then, so why was this model deemed something they had to shitcan, and why hasn't any other broadcaster created a station that does what MTV used to do - play videos?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
you know, this argument actually reminds me of the same exact shit we used to complain about top-40 radio stations back in the early 80's.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
God DAMN it!
/. content already!
/.? hell yes! But I'm not going to click that link, I'll click the one below it about the umpteen billionth iteration of CDA to pass through congress, I'm sure as hell not going to go into the Martha Stewart story and complain that it doesn't belong in /., and that there's too much commenting going on wasting bandwidth.
Stop with the criticizing
If you don't like it, don't hit the link!
Moron.
If Fucking Martha Stewart does a show about interior decorating server rooms, is this worthy content for
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
creativity != the "staggering drunk" camera work.
Just MY humble opinon.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I've yet to find a chick with a workable buffer overflow exploit.
(blah, blah, blah, this guy just talks TOO MUCH)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
How 'bout: "Womyn with dicks"
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
GWAR
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Someone wake me up when the "real world" gets a clue.
since MTV has become about the channel for anything but music.. how about abe listing some of his favorite bands. Wonder when the next 7 day real world marathon starts on MTV.. *sigh*
all i know is that im jealous of anyone who is cool enough to replace the word "someone" with the far-more-elite metaword "some1"
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Ouch. I don't think I've ever seen grep used before to bludgeon someone -- very nice work.
In other words, "hehe".
Rogers Cadenhead (Web: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench)
hey, you did that java book, didn't you?
Yup, that's me. Java and Internet books made-to-order. If you're a Rogers Cadenhead completist, visit my home page to, uh, complete your collection.
Ah, laura lemay. there's a wacky one.
Yikes! After reading that, I feel much better about my decision not to create a FAQ on things I've learned while auto-erotically asphyxiating myself.
Rogers Cadenhead (Web: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench)
I'm one of the people who suggested Abe Ingersoll as an interview subject on Slashdot. The guy snuck into the unsecured network of the Road Rules producers and used the information he gained to (a) improve his odds of getting on the show, (b) play head games with people on the show, and (c) improve his odds of getting laid while on the show. Millions of TV viewers know the guy as a "computer hacker" or "computer cracker."
Add all of this up, and I think it's worthwhile to see what's rattling around in the guy's head. Besides, he's not much more of an MTV fan than people making comments here, comparing Road Rules to "looking up someone's asshole" in the Salon article.
Some questions:
Rogers Cadenhead (Web: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench)
... The nerd working for Adam Curry.. ;)
(and who is no longer doing so, unfortunately.. I wish I had the balls and lack of car to follow him to Amsterdam...)
Other items picked up from the article: He did work as a systems analyst at an ISP, and he has been on the Internet well before most people heard about it, and was a BBS junkie before that.
In my opinion he has enough cred to call himself both hacker (in philosophy) and cracker (in deed, to an extent). I'm impressed that he has decided to return for school for a Computer Science degree. Too many immature children get riled up over the definition of 'hacker' and neglect to gain a deeper understanding of computer science.
Although I find his website to be a bit over-the-top in vanity (and that's saying much coming from me ), it's not surprising given his age and his recent publicity.
Note: I haven't watched MTV in years, so I've never seen his "performance" but I think it would be naive of someone to think that these "Real World/Road Rules" tv shows are anything but a warped and manipulated reflection of reality.
Personal attacks on the man, coming from people who make assumptions without reading the article, come off sounding like jealousy and reflect much more negatively on the attacker than the attacked.
I don't know much about the show, however I did catch the episode where during a heated argument Abe made some childish statements about how he could infect this girls computer with virii and such.
Question 1: What are your supposed "mad skillz"? or are you just riding this wave of MTV popularity.
Question 2: Did you answer the above qustion honestly?
From what I witnessed on the show, Abe couldn't hack his way out of a brown paper bag. I only wish others could've have witnessed the aforementioned episode.
doomicon
Awesome!
He got his ass kicked by a girl on International Cable television....
Oh yea, Im sooo jealous, I want to be him sooo bad...
"Hey little sister, get the camcorder and boxing gloves.. and make me famous"
Awesome!
My god, this is the funniest rip I've seen in ages.
:>
You can't get much better than using someone's own words against them - esp. when they are fuel for elitism.
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
Oh look, it's yet another "grrl".
Don't you have, like, an online journal to edit or something?
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
Insert buffer overflow joke here.
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Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
Is there a 12 step program for Geeks? The fact that I find that hilarious says volumes about my social life! Help!
thats what matters.
how about an interview with alan cox or some dude that works on FPGAs aka. "$1000 supercomputers". Or at least some good looking whore from MTV (with pics).
If we have to go with this guy, could a guy/girl with the highest score kick his ass for free. live on slashdot?
Also, Rob, we need a system where people could rate the articles (kinda like they rate the replies), cause I think this one sucks.
Back around the start of 1998 (or was it earlier) New Zealand had a 12-hour delayed broadcast (free-to-air) of MTV UK (which TVNZ killed off about 6 months later).
Now there were 3 "top 20" shows: the UK one, the european one, and the US one. Guess which one was utter crap? The US one, of course.
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
Anyone remember the time MTV "hacked themselves"?
Hmm. Methinks that they're still clueless.
Pretend that something especially witty is here. Thanks.
Yeah Abe I was just wondering if you have been a huge asshole all your life naturally or if you had to work at it?
And how long can you live with yourself knowing that every night you look in the mirror, that you are nothing more than a fake who couldn't "hack" his way out of a paperbag? Let alone "crack" any system for that matter.
Infact I wass also wondering if you have ever written a lick of productive code in your life? I mean I got chills up and down my spin when I was watching you masterfully work that promo Macintosh they gave the cast.
Do you have all the posters from the movie "hackers" or are you still missing the one with low-tech?
Hey, and I'm wondering how your factory Linux box that was mentioned is doing? I'm sure that you are the master of GNOME operating or KDE clicking.
One joke deserves another.
woah! someone else one slashdot listens to skinny puppy!
yeah, let's show them the spasmolytic video.
MAKING TIME IN A LOW RENT HIGH RISE
NO PLACE TO GO
DOWNTOWN, HA HA HA!
cob2k25
yup, i miss skinny puppy too. by far my favorite band.
but don't expect any reunion soon, there's still a lot of shit going between ogre and cevin.
there should be another download, tear garden, plateau soon.. and ogre's working with mark walk. yeah, it's not skinny puppy, and it will never be the same (dwayne). but it's better than nothing.
btw, here's an interesting link for any puppy fans:
http://userpages.aug.com/sgraham/news.html
brap on.
oh, expect another subconscious compilation soon, maybe back and forth 5&6 too.
3. Wrote
Dunno where the rest of it went; it showed up fine when I previewed.
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Interviewing Cast members of Road Rules? Please!
Real World and Road Rules are two shows about a gang of misfits who are forced to live together, and learn how to hate each other. One of them will inevitably get violent and get kicked off the show. At they end of the season, they cry and hug each other and go home. In between it will pretend to deal with real issues, and focus on each cast member's insecurities. I know this because my wife likes to watch it, and I am often subjected to it when I spend quality time with her.
Anyway, If I remember this Abe guy correctly, he was a real jerk who worked especially hard to make life miserable for the other people on the show. I think he was the one who provoked the black girl into hitting him, causing her to get thrown off the show.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
"120 minutes" has always been on Sunday at midnight (or thereabouts) the real wonder is that it's still on, and hasn't been replaced by that wrestling clay-figure show.
;-)
the rest of your post is pretty accurate though
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
The funniest trend on MTV is that they've started doing these shows, documenting the making of music videos that they'll never show, because they stopped showing music videos in like 1992 or something. Except for the countdown show where they show about 30 seconds of a music video.
Of all the comments I've ever posted, this is definately one of them
Abe --
Who told you that hacking ever involved
using Cult of the Dead Cow software? Are
you really a hacker?
hmm, is this the same guy who has a show on the sci-fi channel called 'cool tech'?
What do you think the chances that Road Rules purposely left their systems unsecure HOPING you would break into them, for the purpose of being able to mess with the other people? I mean the idea ALONE sounds like great TV ...
Hackers 2: Wrath of Abe
You don't even need good hardware
Ah, but with good hardware, I've found that a
DOS attack leaves the system especially
susceptible.
(I'm so dead when the girlf reads this)
K.
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How come there's an "open source" entry in the
-- Proud descendant of semi-nomadic cattle-herders.
I know this will get downgraded, but it must be said.
If you're a real cracker who knows so much about insecurities... why are you using Linux? It's not the most secure system for the hardware you use.
-CK
I believe the problem lies not in the fact the he got laid. I think the problem lies in the fact that he puts on 'aires' to get laid.
When I was in College for the first two weeks I had THREE room mates. One of them was born in Ireland. He had been in the US since he was about 10 or so, he had lost his accent, BUT he used to use a fake accent when women were around to strike get their attention.
After a while I got so sick of it, I told one of the girls "You know that's a fake accent right?". I then looked squarely at him and said "You can quit the act now, talk like you do when no women are around." (That's right Alex, if you're reading this I just outed you again)
>Nice guys have a hard time getting laid because of their easy attachment towards women, and women take advantage of that, women also can sense that you must not have much confidence if you can so easily become attached to them.
I definately agree on this point, nice guys never get the booty. When I was in high school I was one of the nice guys, I talked to my female friends on the phone for hours at a time, they'd call me to tell me about their man problems and ask me for advice. Well after watching these women give up the pussy to everyone except me I got kind of jaded. I started out not calling when I said I would and I ended up starting to get plain out rude. I told one girl with no room for other interpretation that I didn't care about her man problems, and didn't care to hear anymore. It was her fault for choosing that jerk and if she wanted to the situation to change, she'd have to change it.
Low and behold by my senior year of HS I began to get romantic attention from the ladies. Some beautiful, some not so beautiful but it was a rebirth for me. My best friend finally made the change earlier this year, after some whore walked all over him he stopped wanting to be nice. He's still honest with women (sometimes brutally honest) and he's all the happier for it.
Free advice for all of the no sex getting nice guys out there. Once per day try to replace the word "woman" or "lady" with the word "bitch". This is not about disrespecting women, it IS about changing the way you think about them. You must lose the notion that God had endowed women with some magical position of power in the universe as the sexual selector. Be honest, be self confident, and above all else be true to yourself.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
ya know, we should take it easy on the kid.
i mean, maybe he's *not* a real punk. or a real hacker.
but he plays one on MTV...
maybe they just hired him and gave him a few vids and told him what they thought a "punk hacker kid" should look/act/talk like (and what is that, actually?) and off he went? like those shows aren't completely staged!
*shrug*
well, hey...whatever. everybody's gotta do somethin...
Abe-
Why would we want to ask you questions? You're media hoopla. Not to mention probably the most irritating person to be on that ever annoying show. Were you born an asshole, or was that what you were working at just before dropping out of school?
From the article "story," I mistakenly thought that questions would be chosen just on the basis of a post's score. After reading your post and going back to read the article submission, I see my misunderstanding -- thanks.
I'm not one to normally clog bandwidth with thanks, but (1) I think you're doing a good job, Roblimo, and (2) I think this topic needed a few more non-flames. I get the feeling that there's a lot of jealousy of success and fame rearing its head here, based on some of the completely uncalled-for flames that I've seen heaped upon this guy.
I despise MTV and mainly don't watch it except for the superb Tom Green Show, and have never gotten into Road Rules, but lighten up on the kid. He had a free opportunity to get out in the world with some babes and get some TV time. A lot of people would jump at the chance. I'm sure that he'd get flamed by some people no matter what he did on the show. Criticizing is one thing, but some of the cruel and personal attacks on him that I've read here have been pretty disgusting. Consider how you'd feel if it was one of your family members getting trashed merely because they decided to do something harmless and fun and get a tiny bit of fame in the process.
Keep up the good work, Roblimo.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Why doesn't he just read the questions here, instead of using Slashdot moderators as a intermediary. Not to mention that the Slashdot moderation system is in shambles, but that's a topic for another day.
'Til then, I'll just kick back and wait for some angry youth to ask, "Hey man, how can he call himself a hacker if he doesn't read /. himself?"
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
I read the Salon article, and it wasn't exactly kind to you. Do you think it was fair or a hatchet job?
J
Referring to women as chicks is perfectly acceptable among the teenage and 20 something groups.
Yeah, both of them suck. or as Homer may say "Thats the suckiest, suck, that ever sucked a suck" (this is Homer Simpson, not the poet Homer). Everyone has to learn somewhere, and KDE and Gnome are just building blocks, until your balls develope and you use console (hey, I'm saying I did use a WM at one time, still do for netscape). Power/security just dont come from X. Besides, why the hell would you use KDE and Gnome. I hate tool bars. About the only thing that I can stand is GNUstep's WMdock in WindowMaker. But, to each, his own. Not my choice, not my X, not my comp.
I think the quote you are looking for is:
"He who is without sin cast the first stone."
Doesn't matter, really. You got the point across.
Do the obvious to e-mail me.
There are plenty of assholes from whom I can learn what not to do, who not to be, and how not to live my life -- I think most of us know assholes from whom they can personally take away these lessons.
If the reason for interviewing this guy is because he got on MTV, or because he used technology to get a girl, or because he had a mildly interesting childhood, I'm just so disappointed. Why not interview me? I had a weird childhood (who didn't?)! I have slackware (but I don't KNOW slackware)! I could break into a computer (after reading the directions, of course)! But I'm not stupid enough to call myself a hacker -- I'm not even a script kiddie.
So maybe instead of holy war polls, there could be polls listing possibilities for the next interviewee. I am absolutely sure that there are tons of great hackers, project leaders, and other cool people from whom we could actually learn something. I don't know who these people are, but I bet the /. community knows enough names and backgrounds to have a much more interesting field of candidates for the next interview.
Personally, I would like to see some interviews with more hackers who've gone corporate -- or those who've made the choice not to.
So how 'bout it folks? Names and backgrounds of interview candidates?
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"If children weren't copyrighted, no one would have babies." -- Alex Eulenberg
ur l33tn3$$ imp3$$3$ m3. :P :)
But, seriously folks, here's a few REAL questions:
1. How can you be called a punk and be on MTV?
#he's not
2. What languages do you know?
#none
3. Why did you act like an ass on Road Rules?
#he IS an ass
4. R U l33t?!?
#He THINKS he is
#gee, I hope these show up as perl comments and
#not in the post
If you think you know what the hell is going on you're probably full of shit. -- Robert Anton Wilson
jdube is who
If there were a 'what he said' click thru available for /. comments I would have used it for this one. Speaking of which, that is one aspect of the moderation scheme that I would hope someone considers: the inability of the non-moderators to increase the point value of a particular comment independantly, like the poll...just a thought
I drink to make other people more interesting
not Gap commercials....it is Nike that caused the downturn
I drink to make other people more interesting
and show your work
I drink to make other people more interesting
In the article on Salon they claim you said
""
"I'm not a typical hacker!" he insists -- but he
does read "bug reports," in which hackers list the
flaws they've discovered in software programs and
operating systems.
""
IMHO this is what makes you and all the rest of
us, who don't publicize and get political, part of
the Old School. Hackers use what they have at
hand, if it doesn't work, play with it til it
does.
A script kiddie wouldn't have been able to
even pull off the basic stuff it sounds like you
did. The facts are, you cracked the site and
didn't really hurt anyone or steal credit card
numbers. You did however use the info to get on
the show. (Way to go)
Here's the question...
Was getting hit by a girl worth it? I would
think so, but I don't want to make any
assumptions.
Late Man,
Cordova
"Can't lurk all the time."
BTW - don't mind the AC's on here their just trying to incite a riot.
My microbes must have translated that wrong! - Aeryn Sun
Sure sounds like *you'd* be fun to hang out with! "short tempered woman, ready to take out frustrations on any perceived slight. Grain of salt required. Must be willing to deal with ignorants with ignorance and name calling."
"Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin,
oh, how i do live for those occasional hours of moderation glory!
hey, look, there's roger cadenhead. he did the new version of that laura lemay book. awesome. i loved the original.
-- in china, chinese food is just called food.
hey, you did that java book, didn't you? see below.
ah, laura lemay. there's a wacky one.
-- in china, chinese food is just called food.
that's a pretty strange about-face. one moment i rule, the next i suck? hmph. even i'm confused.
firstly, i'm not bragging about causing trouble on slashdot. it's a good site, but people here can be stupid. if i can bring a few smiles to a few faces by taking advantage of that, then who really loses?
secondly, i'm not really that anti-army. i was being inflammatory, and of course it worked. i do, however, think that lots of people are lured into joining for the wrong reasons (have you heard the "join the army and get twelve thousand dollars!" commercials?), and i do grow increasingly weary of people who insist upon tacking "when i was in the army..." onto every tedious anecdote. the reason you and 'other people' deeply resent my attitude is that you apparently feel that any random person deserves awe and respect just for having served in the military. in reality there are many other more worthwhile things people can do to help each other, so i'm sorry for not dropping to my knees. i'm terrible with orders!
i'm disappointed that you're disappointed in me. i strive only to make the world a more interesting place. i do try my best. i'm sorry if you don't get it.
-- in china, chinese food is just called food.
I see nothing wrong with this kid. He's an 18 year old guy, who has a bit more common sense than those around him. He may be a script kiddie, but who's to say that one day he may not be something more?
Look, he did one of the better hacks there is. It didn't involve any "mad skillz" or anything, but mainly a bit of social engineering. He got onto MTV, didn't he? And yes, while MTV may be lame, everyone deserves their 15 minutes of fame. I applaud the guy for doing something he considers interesting. He got to get out of the rut that so many people in this world are in, and see the world a bit. Good for him!
Hell, if I was given the opportunity to do something like that, I'd be there in a second. Even though I do consider both "Real World" and "Road Rules" to be the two stupidest things on TV these days.
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- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Hitting people is stupid and primitive. No matter how much of an asshole someone chooses to be, breaking out your drunken monkey style on their asses isn't going to change the way they are.
Reminds me of an anecdote (supposedly true, but who knows). In the US, during WWI, a Quaker was harassed while walking down the street by a group of young men who derided his pacifist beliefs. The Quaker took off his shirt and offered to wrestle the largest among them. The two faced off. The Quaker picked up his opponent and threw him across the street, where he landed heavily. As he put his shirt back on, the Quaker asked the young man, "Do you agree now that violence cannot change the beliefs of another man?"
"No!" he grunted as he got up.
"I've proved my point, then," replied the Quaker, and he walked off.
Besides, their dragon style just might beat your tiger style.
What was that movie?
Why did you feel the need to be "reconnected" with your generation, as the Salon article mentions? Not to be insulting (no, really!), but I've been doing this since 1988 (I'm 21 now, you do the math) and have found that the people around me who are my age, for the most part, are not very mature or far along in their thinking of the world. It would seem to me that staying grouped with people who share your interests would result in fewer problems like you experienced.
Don't get me wrong, I do not encourage being an introvert (I'm very outgoing), but actively trying to fit into a group or genre of people who are very much unlike you would appear to be rather silly. Sure, associate with them, even be friends with them, but being "connected" with them implies that you want to "be" them (or at least like them), and that I don't think is very smart.
(Loved the bit about being the 1st customer of a local ISP.. Ah, yes, I still remember the heady days of sneaking in valuable time with my Uncle's ARPA login..)
sexy fool!
rooooar
I see so damn many flames here, and everybody is actually DEFENDING the pile of worthless dung that is MTV and their pathetic attempts at making a "real show" with "real people" all while manipulating the viewer with trite, contrived, probably scripted situations even less compelling than the worst sitcom.
As a human-as-moron study, the "Real World" does provide insight into the level of stupidity of the average human.. not just those starring on the "Real World", but also the people who find it "insightful" and "helpful" to those in need of guidance into adulthood.
My question to Abe:
Are you, too, such a construct, carefully tailored as the token "geek" who has been traditionally underrepresented (or if present, outright MIS represented by films like Hacker) simply to appeal to a part of the 18-25 market feeling the most disenfranchised by the system?
If the answer is truely yes, I don't expect you to say so, but at least if you say no, give us direct evidence that this whole thing is NOT an MTV setup.
If you genuinely did take advantage of MTV, I bow to you, and I frankly don't care if you are a "real" hax0r or not. Social engineering is far more challenging then skript cracking some obscure site and replacing their web page with porn banners.
umm...maybe I'm really out of the loop-but what does k-rad mean? someone recently called me that and i wasn't sure whether or not it was a compliment....
-lisa
Abe-
Based on what you have said and what seems apparent about the show and how the producers manipulate the environment, I'm wondering if you have considered that perhaps the girl you were involved with for one night was encouraged to be seduced by you from the producers?
So...maybe the whole line about hacking into their system and finding out information about her had nothing to do with what went on later.
-Lisa
Real World." Right. Like 7 semi-employed 20somethings living in an aparment in Waikiki that probably costs around 8000/month is real.
Actually I think the place was in Kahala and I believe that the pricetag was 4 million. Waikiki apartments are generally below 1000 a month. A lot of retired people live there. However, all in all Manoa, Kaneohe, or Kailua have the best location on Oahu.
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
"Real World." Right. Like 7 semi-employed 20somethings living in an aparment in Waikiki that probably costs around 8000/month is real.
And if he's a hacker, the last statement makes no sense. He doesn't hack anymore? More like, he was a script kiddie, who looked at what _other_ people had done to exploit security holes with a program that _other_ people had written, to do basically what that chick said he would do: read her diary.
And you're right: I'm an actor, I'd love to do a TV show, but I wouldn't be caught dead on MTV.
Dear so-called punk so-called hacker kid,
Do you feel that having a Slashdot interview about an 18 year old who got to be on MTV is sad evidence of Slashdot's decline into media-whoring pablum? I mean, sure there are countless programmers, writers, artists, thinkers, or developers with something intelligent to say, but dude, have any of THEM been on MTV?
Stuff that matters indeed.
Do you feel like a real cracker becuase you figured out how to d/l Back Orifice?
Do you feel like an idiot becuase nobody really cares what you think?
Give me a fscking break.
Who's idea was this?
Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
My understanding was that "k-rad" is short for "killer-radical," a popular saying in the mid-80's. It can mean almost anything, although it's pimary use these days (AFAIK) is sarcasm.
KMFDM Sucks
Following in the grand tradition of MTV asking the important questions:
Abe. . . the world wants to know. . . boxers or briefs?
k-rad /~R4|) or however its been spelled over the years originally stood for "cool and radical"
and was portmanteu'd(or however you spell that shit) into k-rad it was supposed to be a "hacker" word only known be people involved in the scene and as another way to be 31337 sorta like an inside joke. at least thats the way i understood it when i first heard it on a bbs back in 86
A while ago we threw a party at my place. Abe got trashed and puked on my couch.
:)
Whenever he has come over since then he is required to carry around a bucket
Chicks are by far the most entertaining systems to hack. I highly recommend it. You don't even need good hardware, just good hacking skill, which is probably why most h4x0rs can't hack chicks. Scripts don't work on them.
--- A Jesus Fish eating a Darwin Fish only proves Darwin's point.
If you did infiltrate mtv with back orifice, was the bo server already installed, or did you have to secretly send an email with the attachment, and wait for a hapless person to accidently run the executeable you sent? After you had access to one machine, I assume that you then ran rampant with the passwords that you obtained from bo.
If you don't like it, call your cable provider and order MuchMusic.
Opinionated Law Student Strikes Again!
Explain the universe. Give three examples. :)
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
In my opinion the sequence of events seems all too convenient. If this was all true, then Abe could be charged with a criminal offense for cracking in to that network, whether or not the company wants to press charges. For that and other reasons, I think that the whole story was concocted to generate ratings and/or publicity.
"The unicode stuff in the latest version is working fabulously well. My russian mafia friends are ecstatic."
"The guy's an asshole." What an image. But remember that the image you saw of Abe was carefully crafted by a team of MTV drama specialists. Thousands of hours of footage was condensed into a small package that was packed full of things to draw an emotional response. I can't say that Abe's an asshole. I can't say that he's a really cool guy, either. If I were put into the same situation, I'd question how c00l I would end up looking after MTV carefully crafts a dramatic spin upon my personality.
Besides, their dragon style just might beat your tiger style.
What was that movie?
Quan jing ("Spiritual Kung Fu" in English) starring Jackie Chan.
That is all.
Couldn't say it better myself!!! I hate people with god complexes.
MarNuke
I was just wondering if he was going to join MTV's other failure - turned media hound, Jessie, and go on tour with him. Personally, during the whole show, Abe was a manipulative, whining self-centered brat, and most of the others on the show didn't want to have a lick to do with him.
Thank god for Canada's MuchMusic. I may hate most of the videos, but at least they play videos. They'll run the occasional documentary or music-related show (Monkees, Partridge Family, B+B - none of which counts toward Much's CanCon requirements), but those things are secondary to music programming and the occasional live performance.
Since we can't receive MTV in Canada unless we have a "grey market" U.S. DSS system, I don't know how much of its soul has been sold. I do know Much somehow combines music celebrity pandering with a surprising amount of populism.
The station's main studio floor is ringed by large windows along the corners of Queen and John streets in Toronto, out of which you can usually see a few people peeking in to see what's up. It's common to see VJs speaking to people outside the building, asking softball questions and having them introduce videos.
Whenever a musical act or celebrity shows up, there is usually a massive crowd outside said windows. Much even lets crowds of people inside the environment to be with the stars in an informal setting, whether for a simple interview or a full-blown concert.
Much, along with the rest of the ChumCity building (several cable channels and one major Toronto TV station operate from it), has at least one open house a year, allowing the public to walk right through and see what the inside is like. It's quite open, yet cozy. And then there's the obligatory dance show, Electric Circus, featuring decent dancers inside and crowds of wannabes outside, even in the dead of winter.
I could go on, fawning all over it. Yes, there are things that detract from it; the expected Canadian bias, the ads, the overabundance of R+B and lack of heavy metal (or maybe that's my own musical bias creeping in), but I'll take Much over MTV any day.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
i doubt that anyone is advocating violence as reasonable behavior, but if he gets on the recieving end of some mild violence (not causing any real physical damage) as a direct result of repetedly tormenting others (who did nothing to him) then maybe, just maybe, he'll learn something.
There are certianly more effective and civilized ways to teach people to not be an assh***, but the "real world" (tm) kiddies aren't known for their stability, intelligence and matrity.
If I tease drunken jocks at a bar, it would be wrong of them to kick my ass, but that doesn't mean that any one would wanna listen to me whine about it, and I'm sure I'd have to field the question "What were you thinking?" more than once.
But don't kid yourself, this kid isn't "sticking it to the man", he just tormented his fellow inmates. MTV made money, used these kids and never suffered.
And here we are, prolongin his 15 minutes, supplying positive re-enforcement for showing his ass.
- bridgette
Now I can't miss the "Answers" coming in soon, it will just make my day.
CY
He's about as Punk Rock as the Republican Party.
/. [article] post was wasted on him.
I agree.. I mean, think about it. Anyone who's actually anything is not going to go around telling everybody else what they are. It'll come out naturally, and then everbody else will tell the person what they are. Apparently this little kiddie was a bit too full o' himself. Tsk-tsk-tsk.. to think, a
Sheesh! The lengths we go for these scum..
Insert mind here.
Someone wake me up when the "real world" gets a clue.
yeah, that'd be nice, and it'd also be nice for someone to let Abe know just how disgusting that mailbag of his is..
come on, like we're supposed to believe he got mail all (or basically, as he at least implies) like that.. but, I will concede that, if he did, all the more power to him (i'm not jealous; i'm a female, with better things to do with my life), but it does seem _rather_ strange... then again, maybe it's just me.
Insert mind here.
Well is it just me or does anybody else remember Desmond Crisis? He was on TV Long before the guy ive never seen because I refuse to watch MTV. Yea it was great in the eighties but look at the bastard child of Ted Turner now...
Ya like i'd believe me if I was you!
Hell, most of the people who responded to this topic probably don't know what pablum means.
pablum n 1: a form of cereal for infants [syn: Pablum] 2: a diet that does not
require chewing; advised for those with intestinal disorders [syn: soft diet,
pap, spoon food] 3: worthless or oversimplified ideas [syn: pap]
Obviously, he was reffering to the cereal.. (duh)
My name is Abe. Why do you have the same name as me?
Abe
First, how do we know you're not a punk kid as well? I can't imagine that any 40-year old sysadmins with a wife, 2.3 kids, and half a brain cell worth of maturity would watch any MTV at all. There's a ton of 14-21-year olds who watch MTV, though, and if they know anything about Abe then they're probably no better than he is. (not to say that "Abe" who was on MTV correlates at all with an individual named Abe who toured Mexico in a Winnebago)
Second, MTV does us a favor by putting kids like him on TV. He's as normal as you can get today, because there's nothing whimisical and charmed about him like most celebrities. You think Britney Spears is normal? Freddie Prinze Jr.? Brandy? Ricky Martin? Hell no. On the flipside, you've got someone totally unworthy of attention like Jesse Camp. Be glad they put Abe on there for 1/2 hour instead of Jesse.
Finally, you're trolling. If you're gonna say something like this, have something to back it up. He didn't cause that much trouble on Road Rules anyway - it was that other idiot who started throwing punches. Then the other brainless females got bitchy at him for the rest of the trip (and beyond). Abe seemed kinda annoying, granted, but the whole trip could have been handled much differently if the women would have gotten a friggen grip on reality. None of the guys hated him - he tapped the one guy's phone call, and he initially wanted to kill Abe! But then they talked it out and settled it, since no harm was really done. That's how you deal with someone like Abe, not with yelling and fists...
Questions for Abe:
/. people who can't stand this topic - grow up. So what it has nothing to do with REAL computers, it's interesting nonetheless. If you don't like him, or you don't like this interview, then don't write about it. Jesus said it best when he said "You who have done no wrong cast the first stone." (who cares if I mangled the quote, it's cause I don't go to church anymore) Also, don't be as stupid as MTV would want you to be and realize the fact that any of the stuff on that show should be taken with a grain of salt. I hope the moderators come back with a vengeance and deduct points from all these "MTV sux" posts.
If they're good for anything at all, I think that one of the better aspects of "The Real World" and "Road Rules" is that they are about watching and helping young people improve and mature into adults. It seemed that at the beginning you were immature, abrasive, and somewhat anti-social, and that's just about the nicest way for me to say it. Not to say that you were the Antichrist, but some people have a knack for rubbing people the wrong way and they suffer unfair social consequences because of it. It also seemed that one of your personal goals for the experience was to try to become mature and learn how to interact with people better, which I felt was very respectable of you. Did you feel that you achieved any maturity from your Road Rules trip? Do you feel that the Road Rules trip helped you move beyond some of your difficulties with your personal interactions, or was the whole thing such a terrible mess that you went home without any positive social improvement whatsoever? Do you feel today that you still need to work on improving your social interactions with others?
Also, you're a person who had a rough childhood who happens to be good at computers. What are your thoughts on making computers and the Internet accessible to the "financially challenged?" What can people do to make sure that no one misses out on the computer age, including those who are poor and/or homeless?
Finally, do you think that Bunim-Murray purposely casts volatile, disruptive, and downright dangerous people in its shows? Or do you think that they're totally oblivious to any clues that someone might be violent, dirty, offensive, an alcoholic/drug addict, sick, anti-social, destructive, irresponsible, dishonest, highly immature, mentally ill, etc. Seems to me that making normal people live with the worst-of-the-worst is no more like the REAL world than living in an absurdly beautiful and expensive house for free.
Oh and to all you
However, I would try not to make such a sweeping statement as "I am better than everyone else," just because there's bound to be someone out there that's better than me at anything I try to do.
But this doesn't stop me from thinking that I'm better than everyone else, (I do) or looking down on other people (regrettably(sp), I do).
I do, on the other hand, try to treat everyone else equally, and with the same respect that I want from them. This is one of the traits I share with all of my geek friends, this tolerance.
I don't have any real point to all of this, except to say that it is possible for a geek (me) to think himself to be better than the average person (I do) and still treat them with respect and tolerance (I do).
. when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout --Robert Heinlein
Surge? Absolutely not. Mountain Dew is the one true hacker drink. There can be no other.
. when in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout --Robert Heinlein
...what is your middle name, Abe?
thedinger
Yah, my question is:
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Why doesn't Mtv play music anymore? Do they really think anyone's watching the mindless drivel on their station? Can you do anything about this? Why am I even asking you?
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stack. the off
+-- (Score:-1, Moderator on Power Trip)
Surge is the devil's urine.
I look forward to reading your responses.
-- $SIGNATURE
omigosh...you use netscape in a WM...what a luser...real haxxors use netscape from the CLI and interpret image bitstreams manually! (for the humor-impaired, that was sarcasm ;)
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
I've never tried the stuff personally, probably b/c the commercials promoting the stuff appear to be designed with the sub 80 IQ demographic in mind. Maybe they're trying to exploit a new market niche: thirsty illiterates. I learned one thing from their god-awful ads though: No lower boundary exists to the stupidity of TV marketing.
...disciplining the ronkeys since 3/2000...
How did he monkey-wrench the MTV(tm) X-treme(tm) Dew(tm)-doing corporate blandness? I've only watched scattered bits of episodes of Road Rules, so maybe I missed it. But from what I've heard, he couldn't have played it closer to the script if there had been a script.
Not that that is a bad thing: apparently he got good value for his performance. But when The Man wants you to Be A Rebel(tm) and you are, don't expect me to be impressed at your independance.
Unless you are complying with The Man in order to defy his demand that you rebel, in which case I'm too confused to award points, but a case of Duff Beer would cure that.
Fear my wrath, please, fear my wrath?
Homer
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Now that you have touched one of the biggest(not neccessarily) media outlets that plugs into every 13-19 year old's skull, do you think every kid who watches Road Rules is going to want to become some "haxor" kiddie like you, thinking they can control the world?
Will this be like the movie "Hackers" over again where every pimply 12 year old kid is gonna wanna be a hacker? I can just imagine the 2600 meetings now. Ooh, little boys!
I have seen the flames and quite frankly I agree...but I do have what I consider a valid question.
From what I understand *now mind you I dont get to watch the show often* you were quite unpleasant with the rest of the cast. Why?
If you were a jerk...what benefit do you believe you impacted upon the group of witless gen-X MTV kiddies.
That is about it.
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
This is some funny shit! You are truly my hero!!
But why the Anonymous Coward trip! You didn't say anything bad (The un-lame guy did).
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
That's cool. I especially liked that it was a flame with class. You didn't resort to petty BS. You rule.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
I made a mistake in my last post. You don't rule you suck. I happened to follow that link to your page, then read some of your BS on that site of yours. It eventually led me to the part where you are bragging about causing trouble on /. This pointed me to the anti-army bullshit in your posts. You should be ashamed of your self. You have no idea what it means to be a soldier and I (and probably other people) deeply resent that attitude. Secondly, if you've nothing better to do than post stuff on /. just to cause problems you need to get a hobby. I think your website could use some work. Now I feel like a jack ass for stooping to this level.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
When I was (Actually I am still in for 3 more months)in the ARMY I spent most of my weekends on a Linux box trying to teach myself how to be an Uber Hacker like you, but during the duty day my job is to "Close with, and destroy my enemy" (FM 7-8 Infantry Rifle Platoon/Squad)! Gee, I am so sorry I don't have a real job. Maybe you could try living in the CIS, I hear they have *tons* of employment opportunities for IT Geeks.
"If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on fire." - George Carlin
Abe, do you know how to use nmap? :)
nice looking site tho.
Sensei
Sensei
Linuxnewbie.org home of the NHF's
that is all.
Jeez, what a bunch of whiners(sp?). Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm too busy writing code and having fun to watch MTV.
I think that most of the comments are rather rude (although I tend to agree with most of them :) ). ./ community won't convince the others that the show sucks and that the world average IQ would certainly increase a lot if we got rid of all the TVs on Earth, but at least ./ is not a vector for the success of a MTV show... Goooood...
What amuses me is that this story seems to be the result of an attempt to focus attention on Abe and on the MTV show itself... Who submitted it? Abe? MTV? Somenone else? Anyway, the slashdot community doesn't seem to be interested at all by this, and I believe there is at most a couple of questions so far (well maybe not that much).
So well, once again, I'm sure that the
These questions are legit, and I'd just -love- to see them answered. Some of my comments follow.
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What is your definition of "hacking"? Are you a "hacker" according to your definition?
Do you write code or just download the pre-made scripts of others to do your "evil deeds"? If you do code, what kind of code do you write? (Languages, experience, etc.)
How do you feel about the stigma the media and "script kiddie" websites (such as AntiOnline, 2600, etc.) have put on the true definition of a "hacker"? Is a real hacker no longer a skilled coder and geek, but only someone with evil and malicious intentions?
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...and a few comments
From what I've seen on websites, television, and interviews, this kid is not a hacker, but an immature 18-year-old who is starved for attention. So what if he has his own Linux box? I know several people who do, and they couldn't code a "Hello world" program if their lives depended on it. I haven't seen any proof that this kid can code, let alone understand code.
Also, what is this doing on Slashdot? This is something that belongs on 2600 or rootshell. Something like this could make Slashdot look like an "Evil crackers hangout", not something I'd want to be associated with.
That's my $.02, take it or leave it.
-K
I would have to agree with all the folk out there that say MTV is all fake. Heres a little story for ya'll.....My sisters friend made it to the quarter finals for the "Real World" tryouts. At that stage in the tryouts, they made her sign a contract that said she would agree to stage fights and say what they wanted her to say during the confession sessions.
Now my question to him is: If they make you sign a contract and tell you you have to do as they said, then how is it the "Real World"?
Bw
I admit i was jealous for the first five minutes. It's simply because the chix on MTV are hella hot.
But then i realized that NOBODY has heard of him as a hacker. uh.... if i were him i'd be looking for a place to hide right now. I don't think Larry Wall or Linus Torvalds ever have to go all the way to MTV to announce, "hey i'm a hacker. Everybody look at me." After all, do MTV producers really know a hacker when they see one? Or, do they really care? Now, if he can show any proof under his belt, we'd acknowledge the fact. Even so, using cracking or hacking to get girls (yes, i have done it before, successfully getting a cute model's attention on the IRC. but i'm now really ashamed of it... ) ain't that hard. All you have to do is to find really dumb girls, and i'm sure there are SOME on MTV.
So here's my question: Abe, have you ever won any programming contests? Anything else that can proof your hacker status? Did you use the lowly flood and other technique such as cracking into the girls' computer and then fix it to get girls attention? (cuz i did.) Do you have the balls to take a challenge? on MTV live broadcast, we will lock you in a room, full of all sorts of computers, and
Challenge 1:
use the computer and equipment provided to get a local network done with specified services and topology.(no, not windows workgroup)
Challenge2:
you will be provided a hardware and asked to write a device driver for it. actually, that's too easy, how about this:
you will be provided a machine specification, and asked to write a software simulator for it, and also write a tiny compiler, tiny OS with specified system calls for it.
Challenge3:
you will be given a broken LAN and fix it.
Challenge4:
good ole programming contest. something like UIUC mach maniac. if you can win over any of the widely acknoledged hacker you ain't that bad.
If this will be live broadcast on MTV, and if you can make it 3 out of 4, then i'll be the first guy to call you cool. and you will get my high speed box's root password. (whatever punk means i wouldn't know. i grew up in the 80's.)
I must've been living in a cave all my life... never new we changed systems where weeks carry 52x the amount of days they did before.
> jealous, angst-filled, insecure
and don't forget sexually repressed. heh, but that's not unique to /. readers. rather it's prevalent amongst all young males which i think constitute the majority on /.
anyway, i can't speak for the others on this board, but personally, i'm very jealous of this dude. i am jealous of some1 that uses other programs to crack machines. i'm jealous of some1 getting on a channel that i never watch anymore. i'm jealous of some1 so romantically clueless that he thinks that hacking into a computer and finding out stuff about a girl is a good opening line. i'm jealous of some1 living off welfare for most of his life. i'm jealous of some1 getting the crap beaten out of them on tv by a girl. oh ya, i want this dude's life.
jacob
I'm just not as smart as you and that guy on MTV. please forgive my ignorance o elite 1.
jacob (hooked on phonics didn't work for me).
How much of the "punk hacker" image you displayed to bunim-murray was what you really thought/were and how much of it was just trying to be something different to get more of a chance to get on the show?
/. and the rest of the world hates you? Do you think the "jerk" portrayal they did on RR was somewaht accurate or did they really make you out to be something you weren't?
Why do you think that everyone on
Do you think doing the show was worth it? Was it just worth it for the places you got to go and the things you got to do and/or was it worth it because of the lovely, friendly people you got to spend every waking hour with?
being a real hacker means you have to be such an aggresive person? too much anger... calm down, he.
---> Did you know Linux stands for Linux Is Not UniX ?
Ok, I'm going to clarify this for everyone:
No one is saying Abe has mad skillz or whatever the hell you want to call them. All of us for the most part have the same degree of talent. BUT, he was able to creatively apply his talent to become well known and presumabely well paid, with a minimum of effort. It's all about Creative Usage of Skills. Not just posession of skills.
Kintanon, who used his Elite Social Skillz to land a sweet job doing Tech support.
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Have you ever written any code ? Done aything computer related beside using compiled code written by other people ? Do you even know what a compiler is ? Do you plan on learning anything else beside running scripts ? What do you plan on doing 5 years from now when every high school student can run scripts ? Are you embarassed at all about your performance on MTV ?
Vidi, vici, veni. (I saw, I conquered, I came)
This "event" is so ridiculous, it has prompted me to post to slashdot for the first time ever.
I would have expected something this lame out of a site like AntiOnline, or mtv.com, but slashdot? Please....
Interview somebody interesting next time, and maybe I'll care.
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to know you whored yourself to empty-v?
i certainly wouldent feel very good to have
been on the shpeil world...
"some people have too much freedom" - george dubya bush, facist, err republican presidential hopeful and domain name squ
1) i could hardly be any less jealous of this guy. he got lucky, he got his face plastered all over the boob tube ( emphasis on boob ), and now prepubescent teenage girls below the age of consent are going to want a peice of him... every girl he ever meets from now on will just be using him... 'i went out with that real world guy!'
2) about comments that this guy isnt a 'true' hacker; you have a point, but i think most people ( much less hackers ) realize empty-v for the 24 hour fashion show that it is.
3)i think you mean schizophrenic. but anyway, most 'geeks' are better than other people; they are less bigoted and more open than the population as a whole.
4)wait until she breaks up with your arse. the high you are getting off of your romance will be gone and you will return to reality and think to yourself 'why in hell did i post _that_???'
"some people have too much freedom" - george dubya bush, facist, err republican presidential hopeful and domain name squ
http://www.ghetto.org/hat.html For a real 'spiffy' hat. :)
irc_to: crontab.unitedchat.net #crontab
im ouT
main() { int hack; for(hack=0;hack=31337;hack++) { if(fork()==0) { printf("phork loopz own!@#!\a"); while(1); } } }
Besides, their dragon style just might beat your tiger style.
What was that movie?
Originally, a Jackie Chan flick, I think. Also referenced in American Pie:
"Their tiger-style kung fu is strong; but our dragon-style will defeat them."
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What's so special about this guy? Who cares... Are we going to write slashdot articles about every new technically savvy person who winds up on MTV from now on? If so, i think we're gonna have to ponder getting some new content editors :P *duck* *grin*
I've run my own journal based website (http://illusion.org, link @ the top of my comment) for about 4 years now... this guy really dosen't have shit for entertainment. His webpage looks tacky, his attitude seems lame, and he's a media whore.
Give me a break.
-krs
Why does MTV suck so hard?
"It used to be about the music, man", but now it is just ads, screaming, and blowhard documentaries.
Hey, leave comments about my mother out of this!
-lev
Q: What do you think about American Culture?
A: I think it's a good idea.
(adapted from Gandhi)
I see no hypocrisy in this. If geeks are more tolerant then others in this society; then, by current western culture standards, they _are_ better.
What's the mystery?
"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
- Mick Travis, "If..."
IIRC The Drunken Master, with Jackie Chan.
"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
- Mick Travis, "If..."
I think you misspelled 31337, dood :)
"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
- Mick Travis, "If..."
True hackers just do it to see if they can. Aside from the script kiddies (like you Abe), hackers just want to see if it can be done. Or more importantly, to try and improve security by it.
/. is degrading itself by even presenting this forum.
You are nothing more than an inside trader; A fighter taking a dive. There was no call to use that information for your own good. Frankly, I'm surprised that MTV hasn't sued you for misrepresenting yourself.
I am honestly disgusted by this event, and most importantly that
if youre on mtv, youre k-rad elite
this guy must own
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he's got the brains to fake his way into some limelight, but he's about as good a hacker as the Pres Slick Willie. I can't believe some people here are defending him, are you nuts? have you ever tried to hack anything? Hacking is not a secret password-handshake underground cult with members that melt in the sunlight, they are normal very intelligent coders who've turned some of their spare time into learning more(by illegal means) It's not glamorous, it's not a movie.
Anyone who appears on tv or radio or anywhere else in public holding a huge sign saying "lookit me I'm a hacker" is most defnitely not, and has no real clue about what it's about. Hacking is not about being famous, or rich, or stealing or even breaking. it's about learning.
The price we pay for immortality... is death. Narnia The Great Fall
i agree. kennedy is hot. i plan to marry her in the not so distant future.
From Salon:
"Using discarded credit-card receipts, he started ordering computer equipment from pay phones, having the merchandise overnighted to vacant houses."
Well, I remember from the sixth grade when I was an 31337 hax0r that this is exactly the way the infamous Jolly Roger/Anarchist Cookbook describes credit card fraud. This should give everybody an excellent idea of the kind of Associates and bulletin boards he was dealing with. Did he leard anything when he was living in the Cult of Jesus Christ the Holy Father Saint Martyr Person or whatever. I started the article with an open mind but now I'm pretty sure of the kind of "hacker" he thinks he is.
Kspett
Kevin "Cash Money" Spett
Ignore your rights and they go away.
no.. MTV is fucking gay.
This sort of argument is kind of "What I'm doing is better then you", and is something we would see Katz writing about.
The truth is, yes the hardcore Geeks think they are elite (in fact they proberly are), but then most people expert in thier field tend to think that way too, and what your trying to describe is much the same feelings that a All Star Football player would emote about some Geek mouthing off about knowing everything about Football.
And if you think being a geek means you don't get laid, well I think you should examine the issue more closely.
As for this MTV guy, never watched the show but he sounds a bit of a muppet from the online stuff. And I would never believe what MTV tried to feed me as the truth (I mean it's called Music Television and when was the last time I actually saw a music video on it?)
See that address box, if you type in http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99/08/23/03122 10&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread &startat=30&pid=0 you can break into this thread!! It's like so c00l man 8-)
Basically I think he was just in the right place at the right time.. and I want to know where that place was and what time it was.
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sortakinda.ca | canadian paraphrasing.
Abe - you are worthless. You are just another punk who was on TV. You have no real special skills, accomplishments or opinions. Why is Slashdot bothering with your pathetic self? adios - I'm going back to the entry page to look for real news.
the real important question has been brought up, but i am going to repeat it. How was Susie. thats all anyone really wants to know.
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