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A BSCS is nearly as difficult as an engineering degree, but as worthless as a liberal arts degree.

At best, a BSCS is a feather in your cap. It is almost never a job requirement. Look at the job ads, employers want tons of very specialized experience. If a BSCS is mentioned at all, it's practically always "or equivalent degree, or equivalent experience. "

Besides, IT is being devastated by cheap offshore labor. Even if you can get a job, can you count on having that job in five years?

Take a look at the dice forums. I could not help but notice how many posts from seeker.dice.com forums are of the same nature. And the situation is just getting worse. Below are just a few recent examples:

"I graduated with a B.S. in Computer Science from New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) back in January 2005. After I graduated, I was unable to find a job . . . so in order to pay bills and student loans, I had to get a temp job doing customer service, making $12 an hour"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6562&tstart=0

"I have bachelors degree in computer science. I have 10yrs of experience in software and 5yrs in .net. But now i have been laid of and out of job for past 4 months."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=7151&tstart=0

"I am a cliche . . . I am 24 year old, B.Sc. Computer Science grad from an above average state school, and I'm unemployed."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=4896&start=0&tstart=0

"I graduated with a B.S in Computer Science last year May 2007. Though after applying to hundreds of places I've only gotten a handful of interviews and no IT job as of yet! All my other friends who majored in business or accounting managed to get jobs fairly easily."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6875&tstart=0

"Soooo. I graduate May of 07, with a 3.3 and a BSIT but no experience in IT Security . . . And I am $#*7 out of luck"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42472&#42472

"I finished my Associates degree in IT back in December and I still haven't found employment in the IT field."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42320&#42320

"In 2004, took the school Valedictorian of my college class-- 1 year to find a job in IT. "

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6923&tstart=0

A BSCS is nearly as difficult as an engineering degree, but as worthless as a liberal arts degree.

At best, a BSCS is a feather in your cap. It is almost never a job requirement. Look at the job ads, employers want tons of very specialized experience. If a BSCS is mentioned at all, it's practically always "or equivalent degree, or equivalent experience. "

Besides, IT is being devastated by cheap offshore labor. Even if you can get a job, can you count on having that job in five years?

Take a look at the dice forums. I could not help but notice how many posts from seeker.dice.com forums are of the same nature. And the situation is just getting worse. Below are just a few recent examples:

"I graduated with a B.S. in Computer Science from New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) back in January 2005. After I graduated, I was unable to find a job . . . so in order to pay bills and student loans, I had to get a temp job doing customer service, making $12 an hour"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6562&tstart=0

"I have bachelors degree in computer science. I have 10yrs of experience in software and 5yrs in .net. But now i have been laid of and out of job for past 4 months."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=7151&tstart=0

"I am a cliche . . . I am 24 year old, B.Sc. Computer Science grad from an above average state school, and I'm unemployed."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=4896&start=0&tstart=0

"I graduated with a B.S in Computer Science last year May 2007. Though after applying to hundreds of places I've only gotten a handful of interviews and no IT job as of yet! All my other friends who majored in business or accounting managed to get jobs fairly easily."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6875&tstart=0

"Soooo. I graduate May of 07, with a 3.3 and a BSIT but no experience in IT Security . . . And I am $#*7 out of luck"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42472&#42472

"I finished my Associates degree in IT back in December and I still haven't found employment in the IT field."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42320&#42320

"In 2004, took the school Valedictorian of my college class-- 1 year to find a job in IT. "

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6923&tstart=0

A BSCS is nearly as difficult as an engineering degree, but as worthless as a liberal arts degree.

At best, a BSCS is a feather in your cap. It is almost never a job requirement. Look at the job ads, employers want tons of very specialized experience. If a BSCS is mentioned at all, it's practically always "or equivalent degree, or equivalent experience. "

Besides, IT is being devastated by cheap offshore labor. Even if you can get a job, can you count on having that job in five years?

Take a look at the dice forums. I could not help but notice how many posts from seeker.dice.com forums are of the same nature. And the situation is just getting worse. Below are just a few recent examples:

"I graduated with a B.S. in Computer Science from New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) back in January 2005. After I graduated, I was unable to find a job . . . so in order to pay bills and student loans, I had to get a temp job doing customer service, making $12 an hour"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6562&tstart=0

"I have bachelors degree in computer science. I have 10yrs of experience in software and 5yrs in .net. But now i have been laid of and out of job for past 4 months."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=7151&tstart=0

"I am a cliche . . . I am 24 year old, B.Sc. Computer Science grad from an above average state school, and I'm unemployed."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=4896&start=0&tstart=0

"I graduated with a B.S in Computer Science last year May 2007. Though after applying to hundreds of places I've only gotten a handful of interviews and no IT job as of yet! All my other friends who majored in business or accounting managed to get jobs fairly easily."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6875&tstart=0

"Soooo. I graduate May of 07, with a 3.3 and a BSIT but no experience in IT Security . . . And I am $#*7 out of luck"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42472&#42472

"I finished my Associates degree in IT back in December and I still haven't found employment in the IT field."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42320&#42320

"In 2004, took the school Valedictorian of my college class-- 1 year to find a job in IT. "

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6923&tstart=0

A BSCS is nearly as difficult as an engineering degree, but as worthless as a liberal arts degree.

At best, a BSCS is a feather in your cap. It is almost never a job requirement. Look at the job ads, employers want tons of very specialized experience. If a BSCS is mentioned at all, it's practically always "or equivalent degree, or equivalent experience. "

Besides, IT is being devastated by cheap offshore labor. Even if you can get a job, can you count on having that job in five years?

Take a look at the dice forums. I could not help but notice how many posts from seeker.dice.com forums are of the same nature. And the situation is just getting worse. Below are just a few recent examples:

"I graduated with a B.S. in Computer Science from New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) back in January 2005. After I graduated, I was unable to find a job . . . so in order to pay bills and student loans, I had to get a temp job doing customer service, making $12 an hour"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6562&tstart=0

"I have bachelors degree in computer science. I have 10yrs of experience in software and 5yrs in .net. But now i have been laid of and out of job for past 4 months."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=7151&tstart=0

"I am a cliche . . . I am 24 year old, B.Sc. Computer Science grad from an above average state school, and I'm unemployed."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=4896&start=0&tstart=0

"I graduated with a B.S in Computer Science last year May 2007. Though after applying to hundreds of places I've only gotten a handful of interviews and no IT job as of yet! All my other friends who majored in business or accounting managed to get jobs fairly easily."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6875&tstart=0

"Soooo. I graduate May of 07, with a 3.3 and a BSIT but no experience in IT Security . . . And I am $#*7 out of luck"

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42472&#42472

"I finished my Associates degree in IT back in December and I still haven't found employment in the IT field."

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?messageID=42320&#42320

"In 2004, took the school Valedictorian of my college class-- 1 year to find a job in IT. "

http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=6923&tstart=0

I suggest the following website: http://www.dice.com/

OK, let's see if this is for real.

First, the "story" is a regurgitated press release. For an more critical story by a local reporter, see "AVA Solar enters crowded field", by Tom Hacker.

The AVA Solar web site has almost no useful information. But they have a patent on the manufacturing process, which discloses what they're trying to do. Among other things, the patent tells us that "AVA" stands for "Air-Vacuum-Air". The process is mostly conducted in a low grade vacuum, with some preprocessing in air before the vacuum chamber and some final steps after vacuum processing. The big deal is supposed to be that there's only one trip in and out of vacuum, which simplifies the production process. This patent was filed in 2000, so they've been working on this for a while now.

They're trying to make cadmium-telluride solar cells, which aren't new. The new thing is making them with a continuous process, instead of in batches.

AVA Solar has some job ads on Dice. They're looking for a plant manager, and on Dice they say "200+" employees, rather than the "500+" mentioned in the press release. AVA Solar doesn't seem to actually make anything yet, so they have to build and run a new kind of manufacturing plant of their own design without an organization experienced in doing that. That's hard.

They're supposedly building a pilot plant, to be running by the end of 2007. So wait a few months. If that works, it's worth looking at them again.

Go to berlios.de, sf.net and check "Help wanted" section. Find an correlation between trends at job market, your goals and project which are currently looking for developers, choose right one.

Enjoy.

Why isn't there a mass stampede to Erlang or Haskell...

Check http://www.dice.com/ for reasons why developers are falling over themselves to do either..

My conclusion is that most programmers are just too dumb to do major mind-bending once they've burned their first couple languages into their ROMs.

I know plenty of wannabe developers who fall into this category, but they don't last long in the industry, tech changes to quickly for them. Just look at the way the Java APIs have changed over the past 5 years.

Also most programmers out of school for more than a couple of years don't care about the current academic fad language.

this is typpical supply side strategy, the problem is when you attack wages rather than other inputs as cost, it also attacks the biggest contributor to both profits and GDP, consumption!

2 basic economic equations are in play here:

gdp = C+I+G+NX = (income - savings)+I+G+NX

profits = costs - revenue = (wages + other costs) - (wages + other income such as capital gains)

when you kill wages/income, you kill your own profits as well as us gdp.
there is a time lag involved in this, but it comes back to bite you pretty quickly.
this is reflected whenever Reagan style policies (not exclusive to the republican party) are put into effect... there is always a recession a short time later, which is alleviated once the policies are countered/rolled back.

right now congress is STILL operating on the myth that there are short supplies of labor in "X" sector, which is bull, what there is is a shortage of cheap labor who dont care about long term benefits or retirement in sector "X"

plenty of on the ground info on this here

Add to this the fact that there's really no effective enforcement going on, this "limit filled in one day" just reeks of political fodder to push for more Visas.

Surprisingly, there are indeed some actual real numbers published on the number of H1-B admissions into the U.S., from the Department of Homeland Security. These numbers appear to confirm that there are a lot more H1-B's entering the country than the Visa limit would suggest.

The DHS document (The 2005 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics) is at: http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/year book/2005/OIS_2005_Yearbook.pdf

I'm quoting the following from a discussion on dice.com at: http://seeker.dice.com/olc/thread.jspa?threadID=49 2&tstart=15

"Temporary workers and Trainees:" Specialty Occupations(H-1B):

YEAR - H-1B visas Admitted
1996 - 144,458
1997 - 240,947
1998 - 302,421
1999 - 355,065
2001 - 384,191
2002 - 370,490
2003 - 360,498
2004 - 386,821

There are a number of other excellent quotes on the above thread on Dice. It's well worth reading.

http://career-resources.dice.com/tech_salary_surve y_06.shtml Along with a list of top-paying fields in IT, it also contains good info one which fields are most in-demand.

J2EE, 8244 jobs

.NET, 9384 jobs

J2EE, 8244 jobs

.NET, 9384 jobs

go check for yourself instead of looking like an ass?

----->click me

You might try searching either this search engine or this search engine...you might find better results.

So EA bought a job search site? I didn't think the video game job market was that tight. So is Microsoft going to buy Monster?

I know this isn't the hub of technology, but when you graduate #2 from Penn State with a 4.0, have 8 years of experience, glowing references, and still have an impossible time finding employment something is wrong.

It's a big country... You might want to consider seeing it. Someone with your background shouldn't have a difficult time finding work in the midwest. Search http://dice.com/!

Do a search on Dice for the 415 area code using the "Java" keyword and you'll find over 500 jobs just in San Francisco. Not exactly "remarkably tech jobs-free".

checkout this opening
or search for a different one here

do you have a resume loaded with all your experience ready? if so, spend the time to load it onto the following sites:

Monster
hot jobs
Dice
Career Builder
and www.yourlocalnewspaper.com

Don't worry about your one year at a company so far, people will understand it was your first job, you got your experience and 'want to find somewhere to build your career' (or at least that's a line that used to work).

Unless you're a lame NFL Head Coach who's original team fired your a$$, no one is going to come looking to give you a job. Stay up late one night, get yourself online and order and extra shot of caffeine in the AM.

Some of the comments about DICE are right on, but what about some of the other sites?

I have actually found a couple good positions using monster and careerbuilder.

One of the new trends I am seeing is the use of LinkedIn

Currently I think there are more recruiters on LinkedIn than there are job seekers, but as it grows in popularity being able to directly find either skilled people or jobs could be a good thing. I think it has the potential to bybass the traditional Careerbuilder, Monster, Dice , etc...

You can get a job coming out of DeVry, as long as you spend whatever time you have left working your ass off to specialize in one hyper-specialized area and are willing to put that knowledge to work on a decent paying 6 month contract. Of course, once that contract is up, you'll be homeless for about 3 more years until the next similar but highly-specialized contract comes along. Welcome to the wonderful world of IT. Observe: http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch ?op=101&dockey=xml/f/0/f0362cf60b5473552ec5593743b 611a8@activejobs0&c=1&source=1

What am I supposed to do for money? I don't want a free ride but odds are that, if I wouldn't hire someone disabled like me, nobody else will either.

My dad always told me to get a profession (lawyer, doctor, etc.), not a job. With a job, say as a manager, you're always dependent on a company being willing to employ you for your income. With a profession, you can work for a company or a firm, or hang out your own shingle and work for yourself. One of the best things about being a skilled developer is that it's more of a profession than a job, and you can hang out your own shingle if a company won't hire you. Sounds like you've got the skills to do so, and now a business degree to help you with the financial/legal/managerial side of running your own business, so why not give it a try?

There are multiple options: contract application development (http://www.dice.com/ http://www.scriptlance.com/ http://www.getafreelancer.com/ http://www.rentacoder.com/ http://www.elance.com/ government & corporate grants for small tech businesses (http://www.technologygrantnews.com/), or various tech-related consulting services (here's one somewhat related to your situation - http://www.adaptivetech.net/).

It's easy to get into the mindset of thinking the only way to make money is by working for a corporation, and to an extent that's probably the most secure way, unless the corporation goes under. But there are other avenues that while initiallly more difficult may give you more control over your own destiny, and hence may prove to be both more secure and more rewarding in the long run. Try to identify a need that your skills and experiences allow you to address in a unique way. For example, your tech skills and long experience, plus MS might allow for some interesting services to people with MS and similar demographics, and would probably be a decent candidate for a government small business grant. Think about it.

Southern California. According to the recruiters who see my resume on DICE, that's where the action is. I hate Southern California. When I start my consulting business in five years, I'll probably move to Monterey Bay. Besides, money isn't everything. ;)

In 1992-1993 I applied for 99 jobs in electrical & electronic engineering, and also in Computer Science.

I would read each relevant job and decide if I could grow into that job and like it. I applied and forgot about it until they contacted me, All permanent positions.

I got about 10 first round interviews and 3-4 second round interviews and eventually 3 jobs over one weekend, and no job offers over the previous year.

I ended up with a job in Dublin, Ireland doing porting work (making the product work on different unix vendors boxs (boxen?)).

That is my 2 cent.

What do people suggest someone with 11 years experience should do?

In Short:.

Everyone tries to plan, but chance makes fools of our plans, look for the best next step. The next step is dictated by commercial realities, i.e. what jobs are currently available, check out http://www.dice.com/ .

Free/open source may help your CV/Resume, it is nice if your company contract allows work on Free/Open souce on your own time, even better if it is part of your work.

Network and look for cross functional opportunities, as there can only be one person who is best at something, and they are probably over specialised.

I guess that is 4 cent :)

The only search engine they're using these days is Dice...

http://craigslist.org/

http://dice.com/

You know, I keep hearing about how bad the economy is, and I was starting to believe it myself. But I'm in software development, the first field to be hit by the downturn and one of the first fields to start recovering (after financial institutions--they always feel it first). Well for the last year or so, I've had no trouble finding work, and things have really picked up lately. I'm in Silicon Valley and during my latest job search, I put my resume up on DICE and was getting 3-5 calls per day.

I just signed to take a job yesterday. My brother graduated six months ago with an MBA, and management is traditionally the last sector to recover, and he just locked up a job as well. (Yes, management is the last to recover--when companies are unsure about money, they hire the people on the front lines and try to make that work before they start bringing in middle managers to manage the projects they've created.)

I was starting to believe the Kerry hype over the last year or so, but this latest experience with this job search I just went through, turning down offers and having multiple offers on the table at one time, all while in the industry supposedly hardest hit by all of this outsourcing...I'm thinking Bush is right after all. The economy is on an upswing and it's only a matter of months before everyone feels it.

It's too bad that if Kerry gets elected, everyone's going to think that he somehow magically did something to recover the economy in his first couple of months, because that's how long it'll take before things are back in full swing. As if that was even possible. It's like when 9/11 happened, the Dems are saying, Hey, that happened on Bush's watch. Not fair, people. You don't have a weak-kneed (when it comes to foreign policy) Democrat in office for 8 years who doesn't take any kind of stance against terrorism, and then we get hit 8 months after Bush is in office, and "it happened on his watch."

Anyway, to the main point. This post above, however close to home these job losses have struck, it's anecdotal. (Sorry, but it's true.) My bro and I getting jobs is also anecdotal, but our experience during the job search is not. One does not receive several calls a day and competing offers in the hardest-hit industry in a bad economy. It just doesn't happen--I should know, I lived through it the previous three years or so.

And of those 6K jobs, I'd wager most will be sales, marketing, or support roles with the actual development happening offshore.

Of course, that's just a sampling from the few pages of them I've looked at. I'm not going to go look through the almost 1000 jobs they have posted right now. Maybe on the last half, the ratios are reversed. But I doubt it.

Linux jobs really have very little to do with the desktop. Most desktop jobs will be with respect to software development and support. The former currently offers little monetary incentive as many have noted while the latter is an immense undertaking that few engage in unless it's within the enterprise environment. Building a prepackaged Linux PC your wife can use offers little immediate reward. Desktop usability will be slow growth, as it has been.

On an aside, I have complete non-geek relatives using Suse 9.0 with little trouble, nor more they'd experience in different ways with a Windows desktop.

It appears that most available Linux jobs are systems positions. A quick survey from the mentioned job site the article, Dice.com, shows a great number of systems development or administration jobs compared to desktop development and support. No need for a pretty prepackaged distro there.

I'm currently a system adminstrator for a small web hosting company, and we have about twenty systems, and only three of them run Windows server. When I was hired, IIS experience was a plus but not needed. We even had a bit of a laugh at its expense. They were looking for strong Linux skills and logical thinking. I have to learn IIS on the way now and it is challenging. It's even a bit of fun. Also, the documentation availability isn't quite like it is for Linux systems.

Long story short, I disagree.

DICE and Monster. After enough of you leave, this idiot CIO will get the idea.

You are probably right that C and C++ are more heavily used by Open Source developers.

If we look at the number of jobs being offered, however, it appears that Java is now the number one language used in business, having passed C and C++ sometime in the last two years.

For example, here are the current numbers of job listings at Dice.com:

8284 - Java

5714 - C

4993 - C++

7967 - C OR C++

Therefore, I assume you mean...

When will Sun GPL their Java _implementation_, i.e. their Java Virtual Machine?

I agree that would be nice, because it would give the Open Source community a de facto standard implementation which they could support, and to which they could contribute. It might also increase the popularity of Java.

That is also what Eric Raymond was suggesting a few months ago when he called on Sun to Open Source their JVM.

However, though it would be nice, it's not a necessity.

While Sun's JVM may be proprietary, there are plenty of competing JVM's out there, including some Open Source implementations (e.g. Kaffe, JBoss).

Also, while GPLing Sun's JVM might increase Java's popularity, it must be noted that Java is already the most popular language used in business, as shown by the number of job listings. Dice.com currently shows 7599 job listings for Java, and 7094 for "C OR C++".

Finally, as I said, while Sun's JVM may be proprietary, Java itself is open. Its license allows anyone to use the Java spec to create their own Java implementation. You can even modify or extend Java (as Kaffe did, or as HP did with their embedded Java known as Chai), but then you're not allowed to call the resulting product Java -- Sun does keep tight control over the _word_ Java, such that it can only be applied to certified compatible implementations.

Dice.com Salary Survey allows you to query based on skills and region which can dramatically effect the answer you'll get. What school you went to and what projects you worked on for yourself or for classes also make a big difference. I started at 65k, but I went to a good school and wrote a lot of code during my 4 years.

Because technology is changing so quickly, having a lot of experience with a particular technology (in this case C++) can be both a good thing and a bad thing

I'm a little puzzled by this comment and a lot of comments that have been (sorry to pick on this one). Yes technology is changing, but not in the way implied here. Technology is changing our lives, but technology itself is not changing so quickly that C++ will be phased out any time soon.

Yes, now we have wireless computers when 5 or 6 years ago that wasn't possible for the consumer. And 10 years ago most people would've scratched their head if you said "World Wide Web" and email. But again, these technological changes aren't really THAT much of a quantum leap forward when it comes to programming. Its still a whole bunch of if/then, while/for loops, etc, put together cohesively to perform a job.

Further, think about how much legacy code is out there in C/C++. Look at Linux, FreeBSD etc. Companies are still looking for Cobol programmers. People aren't going to magically say "Oh my gosh! This program, that we've been writing for 10 years and 100s of programmers have worked on shouldn't be written in C! It should be written in Python! Let's rewrite it!"

So please don't sit there and say "C is dead! Long live X!" because of rapid technology change. TCP/IP has been around for over 20 years, and ethernet, C and the microprocessor for over 30 years. They're not going anywhere.

Oh...and you'd better have lots of Linux experience, and love dealing with Exchange and IIS.

Look at the list of job openings at Fort Meade on Dice or Monster. If memory serves correctly, maybe 1 in 10 jobs in the Baltimore/Washington area required a clearance prior to 9/11; now it's more like 1 in 3. It's getting hard to find an IT job that's NOT national security related in this part of the country.

It's amazing what types of companies you find in the middle of nowhere. I work for a small-ish company in western Washington (state) that does outsourced support services. We are occasionally hiring (www.dice.com, Dice ID RTL69189), and our offices are at a never-completed nuclear power plant. :-)

if any one has extra advice for me I'd be glad to hear it

All the employer-paid job hunting sites such as Monster , HotJobs , Dice , and CareerBuilder make job hunters look at the same job again and again. JobFan has posted raw data and summaries here showing that fully 75% of postings are duplicates. And more than 40% are posted by recruiters. That just ain't right!

How about www.dice.com?

Your search - Domino Administrator wanted - did not find any openings.
--Monster.com

Monster.com has 26 jobs listed.
Dice.com has 20 jobs listed.
JustNotesJobs.com has 16 jobs in the U.S.

If you are going to troll, at least do it correctly.

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The problem with finding Domino Administrator jobs is:
1. The people in those jobs are rather highly paid for an computer administration position. In 2000, Certified Lotus Professional System Administrators averaged $89,000.
2. They do not need to worry about viruses beyond choosing and installing a mail filter/virus protection, since no viruses have hurt Lotus Notes yet. The virus protection checks those virus-prone Word files, and helps if users are using MSOutlook as the mail client.
3. The number of administrators needed for a company running Notes and Domino is much less than the same company running Exchange. This is anecdotal from personal experience. I know a 500 person company that grew from one person doing Notes Admin work part-time in a computer department of 2 people to 2 full-time Exchange Admins with 10 people in the computer department, at a time when the company was shrinking. A 30,000+ employees company went from 10 Notes administrators maintaining their own servers to 60 Exchange administrators with the servers maintained by a different group. This is only the Administration side, application development costs skyrocketed while application rollouts almost disappeared after the switch.

Domino Administrators are happy, and companies of any size do not need very many of them. There is little turnover, and so there are few jobs to be filled. (Besides, who is going to quit with today's job market?)

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To be on-topic, Lotus/IBM releases updates at least quarterly. The updates usually add functionality, and fix crashes due to very unique circumstances. I only remember 2 that were for security issues. One was only an issue if the option to use MSIE as the browser was selected. The other was only an issue if Notes Designer was run in a certain configuration without a firewall. None of the updates are "critical". I just upgraded one large company's server from Domino 5.0.2 because the hardware was being replaced.

To be fair, while Domino is a platform, it is not an OS. It relies on Unix, Linux, or MSWindows for its file protection. If you are running MSWindows, you may need some of these patches. Then again, if Domino is only running mail, web applications, and Notes client applications, you can turn off most of the vulnerable MS services.

As long as we live in a world where ads for UNIX programmer jobs list "FTP" as a "required skill", people will prefer P2P networks over anything else. It's not that it's hard, it's that it's *perceived* to be hard.

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?

Finding an employer who will pay you...

You make it sound so impossible. However...

Today's Going Pay Rate for a Kernel Developer:
* Excellent
* $110K
* Market
* Open
* $110K-$125K
* Competetive
* Open
* Competetive
* Market
* $80K-$95K

And that's just 10 of 56. And look at some of the salaries! And look at the fact that, it would seem, Linux is beginning to be used everywhere. Therefore, it would seem one might look forward to a long, lucrative career as a Kernel hack. No?