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Your loss. Its the best mobile OS on the market right now. If you don't know if anybody that owns one, you should try reading a review or two.

Except its not. Android is the most advanced OS by a large margin although that might change (completely?) with iOS 7. Windows Phone 7 was limited at launch and lacked features both the OS it was meant to replace symbian and windows mobile. The internet responded by creating famous lists like this one http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034 . It did get a free pass by reviewers by with reservations...two years after launch http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review the reviewers stopped http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/3/2921472/lumia-900-review . Then Microsoft threw its userbase away with Windows 8 two years after Windows Phone 7, but people have stopped caring.

The main problem with windows phone is you. Windows Phone has had some success right at the bottom end of the market, because of Nokias hardware...and price with realistic expectations. At the top end its a different story...from the latest RMC rebort "Nokia's latest Lumia 928 and 925 appear to be "compromise devices", whose specs don't measure up to Samsung's flagship Galaxy S4 and HTC's One. Another problem Nokia is facing, according to RBC, is higher than normal return rates for its Lumia devices."

I would guess half of the negative Windows Phone comments on here are people who probably didn't even pick up a device for 2 minutes. Just fashionable to hate on MS here it seems.

I know your just paid to promote the dead platform Windows Phone...But really attacking potential customers is not the way. Windows Phone was announced February 15, 2010, and released publicly on November 8, 2010. Its not a new product...its been a failure for a long time, its very heavily promoted; Its just not very good.

Here is the 125 reasons not to buy a Windows Phone http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034 and people didn't. Microsoft simply needs a better product, and sell it on those features. Promotional posts are just insulting.

Except the reality is Windows Phone [was] is not very good, [125 REASONS NOT TO BUY A WINDOWS PHONE 7.5 http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034%5D.

Referring us to the web site of a competitor's product to convince us that Windows mobile is not good is about as asinine as referring us to Microsoft's web site to prove that OSX is a bad operating system. They're not going to be impartial!

Even if my-symbian.com isn't a site run by Nokia, it's going to be a site run by fanboys who are even less likely to be impartial.

Microsoft is still dealing with the fact that their flagship products throughout the 1990's are almost universally associated with crashes, poor performance, and overhyped marketing. It bit them with the Zune, and now it's biting them with the phones. You know why XBox is so big?

Except the reality is Windows Phone [was] is not very good, [125 REASONS NOT TO BUY A WINDOWS PHONE 7.5 http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034%5D. The harsh truth is it was never a serious competitor which will hurt Microsoft in the future, as its potential customers continue to get burnt....it will end up like the Zune.

...oh and the Xbox yeah it lost to last generation model, and drew with Sony who produced a product at what can only kindly be called premium, at the cost of Billions to the company.

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44034

Seriously? You've never seen this list before? Let's say 10% of the list are misunderstandings and another 30% has been fixed in the latest version of WP, that's still pretty damning.

2010? Just to be sure, show something older. This was already working with GPS soon after the N95, and worked similarly with cell location probably since the original iPod was a device with "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."

Not my list, but here's 121 reasons why you don't want Windows Phone 7.5

Wow, if that list is true this is really bad. A few choice snippets:

3. No mass storage mode.
4. No micro-SD card support.
7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.
8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.
9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.
11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.
12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
65. No data traffic counter and no app to do it.
77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps. If 3G is available background updates will use 3G and use up your data plan.
82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).
87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.

Not my list, but here's 121 reasons why you don't want Windows Phone 7.5

You might be interested in the upcoming Nokia N900, see, for instance, this preview. Looks very interesting, to say the least.

... but they don't - they charge industry average. Apple does enough questionable things there is no need to invent potential bad stuff they could also do. Also read my posting on My-Symbian on the merits of apples shop monopoly:

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40017&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105

And Handango also sells Symbian and Symbian is not yet a fringe platform. It will be soon of course.

As for you other argument. If a publisher also becomes a distributor then he also has the cost of distribution. Web-Shops are not free - but more importantly marketing - making sure that you get the top spot on Google does not come for free either.

And practical example: I also sell directly from my webside. and it's the lowest price available (and Handango, having the shitiest conditions being highest price.).

You think I sell more for the lower price? Not alt all! I sell about 10 times at Handango, and about 10 times on Mobile2day. Yes that's approx. 19 of 20 sales via distributors. The point is marketing. Everybody (as in potential customers) knows about Handango, most about Mobile2Day - who knows about my website?

If it was not a hobby project, if I had to pay employees to keep the website and send the download links I would turn the website into an information only buy at our distributors only site. It is not worth it.

And for eBooks it must be the same. For example Randolph Lalonde a an independent SciFy author has webside, blog, Paypal account and still sells using distributors only. The Paypal is for donations only.

Martin

Read here: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38625

Four forum pages of praise for the products and discontent for Sony Ericsson's customer service. Ahh, Sony Ericsson as the mayor shareholder let UIQ go bankrupt instead of rolling up the company properly. What is that for an attitude?

So no, I only started to hate Sony.

No, he is right. Just join any Symbian OS / UIQ 3 related forum and you will see that the Sony BMG incident is not unrelated. Sony Ericsson too treated the customer like shit.

And the best part came when the discontinued there UIQ product because there where no demand for the kind of mobile phones.

Read here: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38625

Four forum pages of praise for the products and discontent for Sony Ericsson's customer service.

As said in the heading: Sony must still learn there lesson.

Apple determines what software is allowable on the iPhone, and most of the apps on it are for entertainment purposes or is garbage.

So what are the statistics for other platforms? My-Symbian.com's list of Series 60 apps has the most apps in the, err, umm, "Games and Entertainment" category, followed by "Miscellaneous Utilties", followed by "Graphics & Multimedia".

Browsing Microsoft's Windows Mobile Catalog shows, by far, the most apps in, well, "Games and Entertainment", followed by "Business and Office Productivity".

The main use for the thing, as admitted by Apple, is to basically have an iPod phone that delivers your need for both a cell phone and a music/video device.

Citation for that admission, please?

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

Strange how history repeats itself and how companies won't learn from the mistakes of there competitors.

Sony Ericsson too produced a buggy phone:

P990i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27799 (683 pages)

P1i firmware thread: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33404 (39 pages)

Latest m600i firmware: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27899 (77 pages)

Sony Ericsson too refused to inform / listen to there customers:

Open Letter to SE: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34441 (31 pages)

Signatures to Open Letter: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34461 (24 pages)

And guess what: Sony Ericsson later announced an unexpected slowing of sales and cancels products:

Shake-Up at Sony Ericsson: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36312

Paris and Beibei dead and buried: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37057

Of course Apple only got one mobile phone so they can't bury it. Besides: I think the smart phone market at a hole is somehow in a mess.

Martin

The W960i (like the W950i) is a UIQ3 phone so your problems won't be there. UIQ3 even plays ogg vorbis (via 3rd party applications see http://shop.my-symbian.com/PlatformProductDetail.j sp?siteId=695&productId=199474).

Martin

Really?

http://www.xda-developers.com/
http://my-symbian.com/main/index.php
http://www.myphonegames.co.uk/
http://www.handango.com/home.jsp?siteId=1
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/skype/mob ile/
http://messenger.yahoo.com/mobile.php
http://www.agilemobile.com/download.html
http://www.pdamill.com/
http://www.adobe.com/mobile/

While I appreciate most of the applications you can get for a mobile phone are Java games, the market is heading towards smartphones using a version of symbian. The iPhone is really aimed at two parts of the mobile phone market, the first is the current PDA market (so blackberry's in the USA and Windows Mobile phones in the UK), the geek/hobbyist which would be the highend Nokia Symbian & Windows Mobile users, its price tag would young teen market (atleast in the UK) as most young teens (I am one and know many others) could afford one (sadly most have iPods) but own small cheap phones because they don't like taking expensive phones out and around with them. I don't understand that thinking myself but then again my last two phones have been free on contract.
I'm aware the American market does have carrier's which lock down phones but most of the rest of the world doesn't suffer this. About the most invasive I've seen is this annoying sidebar Orange stick on all their mobile phones, then again Orange is currently losing customers in droves (least in my home city) because of their new rigid pricing policy. By limiting themselves the way apple have to web 2.0 they've taken the java route on other lowend phones, sure Java can do all sorts of things but the only things that are prevelent for java phones are games. When you compare Doom and Snails (both of which are availiable for Symbian and Windows Mobile) the game selection for Java phones is not as good.
I have no idea how well this would do in American but if the pricing plan were to stay the same in the UK it would tank as its far too expensive for example, I believe the Samsung E900 or Sony Erricson W800i are the current trendy phone's for iPod owners both of which are £80-100 on pay as you go, for the more serious phone owner you have the Nokia N90, Blackberry and Windows Mobile selection all of which are free on 18 month plans, the iPhone is slated to be £200 on a 24 month plan (converting from american dollars.) Symbian and Windows Mobile 5 both have very good User Interfaces, I've yet to meet a person who could tolerate a non symbian phone once they had owned one and to this day every single person who has seen my Windows Mobile phone has been able to get to solitare in seconds (without assistance.)

Without a decent SDK I see the iPhone heading down the Java capable phone route, you'll get hundreds of cheap rubbish games oh and an expensive version of Pacman and Space Invaders.

I'll take this instead: http://www.my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_e90.php

Maybe you can't handle its keyboard, but I can. I have much practice on small keyboards, which, I'm sure if you had you'd be fine too. Plus, this is based on an OS that's actually designed to deal with the deficiencies of small limited devices.

I have a similar phone, until the E90 comes out: http://www.my-symbian.com/s60v3/intro_e70.php

It has a flip out keyboard with similar total dimensions to what the previously mentioned E90 will have. I easily take notes, manage my PIM, browse the web (and it's a very nice web browser, even handles javascript dropdown menus and other things you might not expect from a phone browser). I manage, read, and edit Word and Excel documents regularly. I use my work Exchange server email and also my gmail via pop, with the gmail J2ME app for extended access to searching and other gmail features.

I have an IRC client, a google chat client, a podcast aggregator, an ebook reader that supports plain text files (see: Project Gutenberg). Did I mention this thing supports WiFi, Edge, and 3G?

All of these features plus more (read: 800 pixels wide internal screen!) will be available on the E90. I will not be able to justify a laptop after this device. With a powerful desktop at home and a powerful desktop at the office, there is absolutely no reason for my to carry a device that can't fit in my pocket and won't run for more than 2-4 hours on a charge. I easily make use of my E70 for 10-12 hours of active use per charge, plus many more inactive hours.

Those who mentioned subnotebooks, you are probably right. This little thing does remind me of that. But, those who think sony did it first? Try again, subnotebooks have been done by Toshiba for at least 10 years. They STILL sell the libretto! Also Fujiitsu actually has some nice subnotebook offerings.

Honestly though, I'd take the E90 over any of these alternatives, simply because I'm going to have a phone in my pocket 24/7 anyway, it may as well give me nearly all of the features I get from a laptop without the disadvantages of poor battery life and huge space requirements, and of course, the weight of a laptop.

Oh and for the issue of storage, when is 2GB not enough for documents and the like? The practical uses of these tiny devices are easily covered in such an amount of space. 2GB Transflash/microSD are available for a relatively low price, so nothing stops you from buying a couple, one for work/documents, and another for your multimedia desires, or whatever.

I'll take this instead: http://www.my-symbian.com/s60v3/review_e90.php

Maybe you can't handle its keyboard, but I can. I have much practice on small keyboards, which, I'm sure if you had you'd be fine too. Plus, this is based on an OS that's actually designed to deal with the deficiencies of small limited devices.

I have a similar phone, until the E90 comes out: http://www.my-symbian.com/s60v3/intro_e70.php

It has a flip out keyboard with similar total dimensions to what the previously mentioned E90 will have. I easily take notes, manage my PIM, browse the web (and it's a very nice web browser, even handles javascript dropdown menus and other things you might not expect from a phone browser). I manage, read, and edit Word and Excel documents regularly. I use my work Exchange server email and also my gmail via pop, with the gmail J2ME app for extended access to searching and other gmail features.

I have an IRC client, a google chat client, a podcast aggregator, an ebook reader that supports plain text files (see: Project Gutenberg). Did I mention this thing supports WiFi, Edge, and 3G?

All of these features plus more (read: 800 pixels wide internal screen!) will be available on the E90. I will not be able to justify a laptop after this device. With a powerful desktop at home and a powerful desktop at the office, there is absolutely no reason for my to carry a device that can't fit in my pocket and won't run for more than 2-4 hours on a charge. I easily make use of my E70 for 10-12 hours of active use per charge, plus many more inactive hours.

Those who mentioned subnotebooks, you are probably right. This little thing does remind me of that. But, those who think sony did it first? Try again, subnotebooks have been done by Toshiba for at least 10 years. They STILL sell the libretto! Also Fujiitsu actually has some nice subnotebook offerings.

Honestly though, I'd take the E90 over any of these alternatives, simply because I'm going to have a phone in my pocket 24/7 anyway, it may as well give me nearly all of the features I get from a laptop without the disadvantages of poor battery life and huge space requirements, and of course, the weight of a laptop.

Oh and for the issue of storage, when is 2GB not enough for documents and the like? The practical uses of these tiny devices are easily covered in such an amount of space. 2GB Transflash/microSD are available for a relatively low price, so nothing stops you from buying a couple, one for work/documents, and another for your multimedia desires, or whatever.

which is a more tricky - but still not impossible. Just de branded my P990i - took me half an hour and cost 6,--.

The point is that branding is done on the firmware level - that is: the carrier supplies a specially modified operating system for your phone. With that they can switch on and off almost any feature they like.

But this also means that every operating system update need to be re branded by the carrier. I suggest you have a look here: http://uiq3.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/CDA/P99 0i. Of course SEUS (Sony Ericsson Update Service) will check you Phone (by that magic CDA number) and only offer updates which have been authorised by by your carrier.

Most branded P990i are now two or more versions behind the current release. For Joe Average this might be Ok - But Bill Poweruser might not like that. Note that nowadays even for (smart)phones version 1 of the operating system almost unusable. See http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28242.

Martin

Here's a review for it. You can run whatever you want on it. You can write your own programs in C++, Java or probably other languages too. At least my unit has no stupid lockings. I can install whatever mp3 songs I want as ringtones or for listening. And there's even a third-party internet radio player that you can install.

excuse generator, like baby crying, doorbell, etc.

check the Sound Cheater

Hey. I am a college student (UC Berkeley, Go Bears!) and I am using a series 60 phone right now (Nokia 6600) and have to say that the OS kicks ass....people always complained about Symbian being slow and unresponsive, but they are all idiots. The system will get slow only when you fill up the system memory with crap like songs, shitty ringtones, and images...but that is why a lot of these phones have a separate Flash card inside - so you can store your crap there and leave the main memory alone. On my 6600 I have it set so that pictures I take are directly stored onto the flash card so I don't have to move them later.

Everything runs smoothly, there are a lot of apps available (check out this and this), though I have only tried them out briefly and then removed them - everything I need to do like alarms, to-do's, meeting times, etc. is already on the phone. I would definitely recommend the Nokia 6600 among these phones, because it has a lot of features, and is one of the lower SAR radiation phones - it has a score of 0.5, whereas most phones tend to be 0.7+ (and actually all the Sony-Ericsson phones are above 1!).

Price is only $50 after rebates (only 6 month contract!) if you sign up with a plan, at amazon.

Hope that helps you.

VNC is already ported to Series80 (one of Nokia's Symbian UIs) at least, so put that Barry White CD in and hone your pick-up lines ready for the ladies. Barry will do the rest.

Has anyone here have a Nokia Smartphone? Not a 3120 http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=341 or 6230 http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=408, even though they are cheap user friendly phones, they offer nothing to a power user, someone that needs a pda-like device. Nokia phones with Symbian Series 60 or 90 OS on them are very powerful, compared to phone at there price range (Motorola Razr), they offer the ability to get a wide range of software for your personal use, and most of the time for free http://my-symbian.com/main/index.php. The phones are quality, thats why people dish out the cash to buy them.

Hmm ive been doing this since 2002 on my old Nokia 7650. I mostly use eBook reader eBook reader for Symbian phones now on a 6600. There are loads of document readers/editors available from .pdf to MS word. I guess as the article says "Such times could be just around the corner in the United States, where cell phones are become increasingly used for relaying data, including video, digital photos and music.". Oh wait this is already available worldwide.

Doom for Symbian Phones - runs on most recent Nokia phones.

But if you have a smart phone running sumbian, you can run the original :) DOOM

Two new phones coming out soon both look good: The Ericsson 910 and Nokia 9500 Communicator. These phones both use Symbian OS7. The Nokia has GPRS, Bluetooth and WLAN!

At the time I bought it here in the UK it was one of the cheapest smartphones available at only 100 pounds (about 170 dollars I guess). I liked that it was flexible as you could add a wide range of software to it. Also since it does so much it makes a wonderful tool/entertainment system that I always carry with me, something thats' very useful for passing the time as I commute on the train. With a 256mb MMC there's a lot you can do with it.

I Currently use my NGage for the following.

Watch Movies - SmartMovie
- Great piece of software. I can also convert my home movies for showing friends/family wherever I am.

Games
MicroPool
- Great 1/2 player pool game. Good GFX/sound

Sky Force
- Scrolling shooter (like Raptor) with GREAT gfx/sound - especialy for a handheld

IM - AgileMessenger
- IM (MSN/Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/Jabber/QQ) on your phone. Works great and good for keeping in touch wherever you are.

Email (built in)
- A great addition/compliment to using IM as well. I mostly use it for posting to my blog @ blogger.com automaticaly from my phone. Good for instant updates for my family.

Sound/Call recorder - eRocorder
- Allows me to record phone calls and use my phone as a dictaphone. I use it for recarding my son's new words so my extended family can hear them.

FTP - YFTP
- Good for posting recorded soundclips or pictures to my website.

EBooks - Mobipocket
- Useful if your're bored. Also uses less battery than playing games. I also have a version of the KJV bible with Greek/Hebrew dictionary and concordance. You can also export word/excel files to be read with this app.

C64 Emulation - Frodo
- Play some old classics. Good sound emulation as well.

MP3 playback (built in)
- Good playback. Stereo (so better than other phones) but limited storage compared with (more expensive) dedicated players)

Radio (built in)
- Also in Stereo.

PIM (built in)
- I have over 200 contacts and I can store most of their contact information, including notes/photo's if I want.

My ONLY gripe is that the NGage does not have a built in camera. As to sidetalking I find it more comfortable than most normal phones and I could'nt care less what people think it looks like. At least not when I have a phone/mp3 player/radio/PDA/games console built into one device.

I'm glad that Nokia are addressing some of the critisms of the current device, but they've removed some of the features I bought it for (radio / stereo MP3 playback / USB). I would'nt buy the QD version for that reason. If they're procucing a cut down version I'd also like to see one with the USB/radio/stereo output back in. Add a camera and an IR port as well and I'll buy one tomorrow.

At the time I bought it here in the UK it was one of the cheapest smartphones available at only 100 pounds (about 170 dollars I guess). I liked that it was flexible as you could add a wide range of software to it. Also since it does so much it makes a wonderful tool/entertainment system that I always carry with me, something thats' very useful for passing the time as I commute on the train. With a 256mb MMC there's a lot you can do with it.

I Currently use my NGage for the following.

Watch Movies - SmartMovie
- Great piece of software. I can also convert my home movies for showing friends/family wherever I am.

Games
MicroPool
- Great 1/2 player pool game. Good GFX/sound

Sky Force
- Scrolling shooter (like Raptor) with GREAT gfx/sound - especialy for a handheld

IM - AgileMessenger
- IM (MSN/Yahoo/AIM/ICQ/Jabber/QQ) on your phone. Works great and good for keeping in touch wherever you are.

Email (built in)
- A great addition/compliment to using IM as well. I mostly use it for posting to my blog @ blogger.com automaticaly from my phone. Good for instant updates for my family.

Sound/Call recorder - eRocorder
- Allows me to record phone calls and use my phone as a dictaphone. I use it for recarding my son's new words so my extended family can hear them.

FTP - YFTP
- Good for posting recorded soundclips or pictures to my website.

EBooks - Mobipocket
- Useful if your're bored. Also uses less battery than playing games. I also have a version of the KJV bible with Greek/Hebrew dictionary and concordance. You can also export word/excel files to be read with this app.

C64 Emulation - Frodo
- Play some old classics. Good sound emulation as well.

MP3 playback (built in)
- Good playback. Stereo (so better than other phones) but limited storage compared with (more expensive) dedicated players)

Radio (built in)
- Also in Stereo.

PIM (built in)
- I have over 200 contacts and I can store most of their contact information, including notes/photo's if I want.

My ONLY gripe is that the NGage does not have a built in camera. As to sidetalking I find it more comfortable than most normal phones and I could'nt care less what people think it looks like. At least not when I have a phone/mp3 player/radio/PDA/games console built into one device.

I'm glad that Nokia are addressing some of the critisms of the current device, but they've removed some of the features I bought it for (radio / stereo MP3 playback / USB). I would'nt buy the QD version for that reason. If they're procucing a cut down version I'd also like to see one with the USB/radio/stereo output back in. Add a camera and an IR port as well and I'll buy one tomorrow.

Clearly it blows that midlet away :).... I recently got to witness this on a Nokia 7650 and I'm still in shock, amazing!

So MAYBE Macromedia is now a threat to Microsoft with its "cross-platform" games!!

As an added bonus I could get Yetisports 1 (yeah, the "smack the pingu!!" one) running on my Series 60 phone as a Java app. No sound, though. Most of my gaming now done on the 3650. Only one virus to worry about (that is a "proof-of-concept" anyway), easy unninstall that does NOT leave traces, portability and surprising power for a small device (it runs a 109mhz ARM9 processor but some of the demos I saw for it do pack a punch)

I've used the Microsoft SPV1, E200,
and Sony Ericsson P800 and P900, currently using the P900.

(You might want to read my CV, brief and full)

I have to say smartphones are the bees knees.

After all why wouldn't you want your PDA to also be a phone with internet connectivity?

My P900 is my ebook reader and offline browser, and my portable games machine

It has a camera to take photos at a moments notice (better than no photo at all) and even short movie clips with sound.

I user opera for web browsing with the nice PDA layout so I dont have to keep scrolling horizontally, and I use the email client for those times when I need mobile email.

Then there is the standard PDA calendar and phone book.

If the P900 were any smaller, the screen would me smaller, and I wouldn't want that!

The only thing that hurts are GPRS data prices at the moment, so I have to really justify "online" use.

There are always more smartphones coming out.

I preder the larger screen touch-screen mainly-PDA style smartphone, but there are plenty of more robust-screen mainly-phone style smartphones too.

I think Orange are the leaders in releasing smartphones, and I don't think thats my bias.

Sam

If you want to check out some Series 60 apps, go here and put "GPS" in the search box.

You only have to take the battery off to switch games that you've bought in MMC cards.

There's plenty of N-Gage (and other Symbian series 60) games (and apps) that are available for download straight to your phone either OTA (Over The Air) or via Bluetooth from your PC.

My-Symbian has extensive lists of the apps available for all the Symbian platforms.

actually Nokia's Series60 based phones can already operate as a webserver

I was amazed that they included this image in the review. I realize that in technical circles it helps to pander to immature males but that seems to go quite a bit past the usual T and A.

Am I so out of touch that with how sexist the mainstream media has become that that image is acceptable?

you still have to buy games

Nokia would have down better to bundle it with an archive CD of compatible Series 60 software from somwhere like my-symbian.

I suppose Comobi for the P800 is getting close to what you have in mind.

The first thing I did when I got mine was uninstall all the bundled demo-ware games and apps. Oh yeah, and make sure you go to Nokia and patch the video recorder so it records audio correctly.

-Pat

Just looking at the site about the web server for it and found a comparison of a number of symbian based smart phones

imagine a webserver on one of these :
Prosit mobile webserver