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Yes there's some truth there, but like NZ'ers it just encourages us to take the piss to a higher level. Don't underestimate public ridicule as a good "leveler", remeber Pauline Hanson was laughed out of politics first, and thrown in jail later. Little Johnny has told so many fibs that they (like the US Administration) are butt of all jokes, and the ridicule is not restricted to their own country (do a simple "bush" or "john howard" search on YouTube and then play spot the serious one).

Do you ever sit up and watch the parlimentry broadcasts, I do sometimes and it's as boring as dogshit - but a great "sleeping pill". We are very much like the US in that we have a bad case of ADD when it comes to politics, however I think our collective "bullshit detector" seems to work ok - except for this guy(NSFW). He once stood for election on a country party ticket and now has a radio show dedicated to inciting race riots amoungst teen gangs. Problem is, his is the "most popular talk show" in Sydney, so naturally all the pollies line up to get on his show, which in turn makes his the most popular show...., you can see where I'm going.

I like what Lee says about pattents but the Communist era graphics are offensive. Mass murder was committed under posters like that and many of the victims are still alive. Free software is NOT communism because software and ideas are not property, so the imagery is inappropriate to begin with.

Oh wait, look "WHERE WE WORK"

• Association for Competitive Technology
• Cato Institute
• Competitive Enterprise Institute
• Freedom Works
• Heritage Foundation
• Mercatus Center
• Pacific Research Institute
• Progress and Freedom Foundation

A large grain of salt should be taken when reading their stuff. When the Cato Institute brings out yellow stars on red backgrounds, they are usually flaming someone.

Other people have also written about the dangers of software patents from a more fundamental perspective. It's not enough to say that software patents can be economically harmful because they are also morally and legally wrong. If we apply tests like that, we can avoid the financial harms later. When we don't we end up where we are.

It's not lame, it was a true story - see http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/pedophilia/mary- kay-letourneau/. The relationship lasted through her many years in prison, and indeed she was jailed again after her first release for the crime of having sex with her future husband. She now has *two* children by him. If she's a sex offender I'm a mutant ninja bloody turtle ;-\

To save ranting on here, I blogged about it at http://www.fredriley.org.uk/weblog/2005/05/true-mr s-robinson.html

Fred

For a minute I thought that said Colon Collapse Disorder. Ooch ouch tickle my pouch, that's so got to smart! Kisses my sweeies, mmmmXXX

An AC directs me to the rotten.com article on Bill Gates. Thanks, AC, that's a very funny page. Oh yeah, it's also more reliable than anything from M$.

Given Mr. Gate's reputation for hygiene, his fellow cosmonauts would fix him up with duct tape in no time.

The photo also unintentionally captures classic Gates: completely wrecked hair, terrible looking clothes, generally slovenly appearance, and two glazed eyes staring out past thick glasses. This image changed very little over the bulk of Gates' career, with the shower taps running at much less frequency than the money taps. It should also be noted that this isn't some heaping of sour grapes from the gutter staring up at Bill's mountain of success; throughout the time he has been known in public, Bill's dedication to all-nighters and in-the-trenches energy ensured a number of high-profile press conferences and demonstrations where his lack of hygiene became as breathtaking as the product being demonstrated.

Hard work is OK. It's the "go to hell" attitude for the rest of the world that turned out to be a problem. That and a lack of product. No one really wants to be confined with that, so I doubt even the Russians will put Mr. Gates on a rocket.

Given Mr. Gate's reputation for hygiene, his fellow cosmonauts would fix him up with duct tape in no time.

The photo also unintentionally captures classic Gates: completely wrecked hair, terrible looking clothes, generally slovenly appearance, and two glazed eyes staring out past thick glasses. This image changed very little over the bulk of Gates' career, with the shower taps running at much less frequency than the money taps. It should also be noted that this isn't some heaping of sour grapes from the gutter staring up at Bill's mountain of success; throughout the time he has been known in public, Bill's dedication to all-nighters and in-the-trenches energy ensured a number of high-profile press conferences and demonstrations where his lack of hygiene became as breathtaking as the product being demonstrated.

Hard work is OK. It's the "go to hell" attitude for the rest of the world that turned out to be a problem. That and a lack of product. No one really wants to be confined with that, so I doubt even the Russians will put Mr. Gates on a rocket.

oh, yes!

Hmm... after reading this it dawned on me that it might actually a pretty bad Idea to declare war on the U.S.

Imagine Canada facing a war crimes trial for killing innocent hunters and and Texans...

I mean, racism, advocating torture, describing how they want to get rid of folks they do not like etc.

And doesn't Christianity say something about loving one another?

I dont know you assume torture and murder cant exist within Christianity, be advocated by the church and scriptures, and cant be done by Christians. Its historically false to even assume such a thing. Christianity is no pacifist religion . I really wish people would just accept the scripture and history of their own religions instead of making these little perfectionist strawmen. This has been going on since Jesus walked the earth, except now you can thank secular thinkers for giving you the right to free speech to even question your chosen religion.

Christian torture. Christian racism. Christian Slavery. Christian Warfare. Inquisitions (more torture). etc

I was going to post a snarky remark about Scientology being SciFi (heck, I'll do it anyway: you haven't read all of L. Ron's sci fi until you've read L. Ron's Scientology works. See theRotten Library for more information). But! (Can you tell I've been drinking? (parentheticals tend to betray my burgeoning alcoholism (not that I drink that much (but that's neither here nor there) instead of clarifying the point I'm trying to make)). And yes, there is a point.

A friend of mine from college joined the Church of Scientology. Not because he believes in it. In fact, he was raised a Roman Catholic. He's an atheist/agnostic now, but is morally grounded in the Catholic ways. But he joined Scientology specifically because he wanted to read more SciFi. And he's rich enough to afford it.

He's a funny guy. *burp*

but he didn't lie about Hussein having weapons of mass destruction.

Yes he did. Like any intelligence the report was nuanced with many possiblities and probabilities. Even at the time that Bush was making his case for abandoning Afhganistan and invading Iraq it was well known (outside the US at least) that Saddam did not present a clear and present danger to the US. It was also well known that Bush and his people were deliberately shading, re-interpreting and outright ignoring any data that suggested that Saddam did not have WMDs. Bush's team knew that any responsible report would mention the possibility that Iraq had WMDs (after all, the same people had supplied them in past) and chose to disregard all other data.

Cheney (Aug 2002) "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Donald Rumsfeld (Sep 2002): "[Saddam] has amassed large clandestine stocks of biological weapons... including anthrax and botulism toxin and possibly smallpox. His regime has amassed large clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX and sarin and mustard gas... [he] has at this moment stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons."

George Bush (at least ten occasions between Oct 31 and Nov 3, 2002) "We know he's got chemical weapons."

Ari Fleischer (9 Jan 2003) "We know for a fact there are weapons there"

What is particularly interesting is that, after presenting such a strong case (including an extensive presentation to the UN showing exactly where all these weapons were) and the attack was launched, they suddenly turned mealymouthed:

Fleischer (21 Mar 2003) "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly."

Rumsfeld (22 Mar 2003) "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons"

More at http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/sadd am/

• George W Bush is the only president with a criminal record
• Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were impeached, but not convicted
• Richard Nixon was set to be impeached, but had the brains to resign first
• Thomas Jefferson had 187 slaves
• Franklin Roosevelt was a cousin-fucker
• John Tyler was a Confederate and the only president to become a sworn enemy of the Union

Not "communist atheism", more like "atheistic communism", and the reason why people consider that USSR's communism is atheistic is because communism as implemented by the USSR is all-encompassing, and includes religions beliefs, hence may be weakened by "traditional" religions. This has nothing to do with atheism.

Perhaps the reason that people consider the USSR's version of communism to have been atheistic is that... the USSR was officially an atheist state.

Other atheist states include revolutionary France during about 1790-1794. The rulers of France instituted a religious- In 1794 France's official atheism was briefly supplanted by a deist religion, 'Cult of the Supreme Being' and then when Napoleon took over, he instituted a return to traditional religion.

During the time that France was officially atheist, people were allowed to practice religion only in approved and limited ways. People were killed for their religious beliefs but of course the reason was not considered to be "we're killing you in the name of atheism", but "we're killing you for your treasonous professions of religion." But it comes down to the same thing which you said has never happened... atheists killing people for practicing their religion.

1. Filter them.
2. Troll them.
3. Jail them.
4. ????
5. Send me the Profit

You are at step 2. Steps 3 and 5 are ongoing and it's not really funny when those in jail might be executed for their organs. Yes, Microsoft is still "committed" to business in China.

Trade with Communits Countries like China endorses crimes against humanity and makes the criminals stronger and richer.

I couldn't agree more gay nigger for life

LOL, you know, they make these vibrators for girls called the Venus penis (oh gods, I'm almost embarassed for knowing this). Look at the pic so I don't have to describe it.

It's be a lot more fun for them to open my bags and pull out sex toys in front of everyone. I would actually consider shelling out the dough for a life-sized John Holmes dong (see the John Holmes dong) because it would be so noticable.

Don't ask how I know about these things!

Indeed:

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/kama-sutra/

that picture is gruseome? ... I think that picture is pretty frickin cool, and want to see more. Anyone have more links to examples of this?

Why do you assume he's so incompetent? Because of Iraq? They're building permanent bases there now. The growing civil war ensures that the current Iraqi contractor heaven continues for all forseable future. Was it 10 more years they said? It's all going as planned.

Ignoring security warnings? Google for "you covered your ass". They didn't ignore anything.

Because he talks funny? See this. And this.

It's a miracle to me then, that he would crack a joke of such miserable quality. Or maybe he was just incredibly foresighted, as it emerged with the election of the new pope that the inquisition is still in existence.

Please be better informed in your insults to the free software community and the ideals of your own country. RMS, for all his lack of vanity, does not stink. The same can not be said of the PM or his normal guests.

You do know that Mr. Gates is famous for both his informal attire and his bad hygiene, don't you? See here:

The photo also unintentionally captures classic Gates: completely wrecked hair, terrible looking clothes, generally slovenly appearance, and two glazed eyes staring out past thick glasses. This image changed very little over the bulk of Gates' career, with the shower taps running at much less frequency than the money taps. It should also be noted that this isn't some heaping of sour grapes from the gutter staring up at Bill's mountain of success; throughout the time he has been known in public, Bill's dedication to all-nighters and in-the-trenches energy ensured a number of high-profile press conferences and demonstrations where his lack of hygiene became as breathtaking as the product being demonstrated.

Mr. Gates was welcomed as a head of state on his visit.

Embarrassing indeed but some things smell worse than body odor. When money trumps morals and law, it's not good to be on either side. While there is great shame for the PM in selling out his fellow countrymen, there is also great shame in trying to buy him. There's plenty of stink to go around on this one and clothes are small stuff in the big picture.

"According to Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was reduced in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design, and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $500 (rather than $5000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $250. [7]"

http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+wozniak+jobs+ split&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&r ls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/hackers/steve-wo zniak/

"When Steve Jobs worked at Atari, the company was working on creating the arcade game Breakout, which required 80 Integrated Circuits (ICs). The less ICs there were, the cheaper the games would be to produce, so Nolan Bushnell (Atari's president) offered $100 for every IC that could be knocked out of the design. Jobs brought Woz the challenge, and over four days and nights at Atari they put together a design that only required 30 ICs. Bushnell gave Jobs his $5000 bonus, which Jobs "split" with Wozniak by telling him it was a $700 bonus, giving him "half," or $350. Woz was delighted, but years later found out the truth. And cried."

Jobs, current CEO of APPLE, made the decision to sell Apple stock when he could have sold other stock to cover his taxes on the vesting. Jobs can say apple is going to do great but his actions show that he doesn't really believe it.

Just how often do you find "evangelic bad boy" together as a phrase?

He also had a problem with absenteeism, and raising the wage to $5 a day made sure people showed up.

Also worth mentioning is that Ford's professed love for his employees resembles the paternalistic rhetoric embraced by a certain regime he admired.

Info on Mother Theresa

I have read a lot of history about the Islamic empire that stretched from India to Iberia. This is largely an extension of my desire to understand Spanish history.

To say that Islam created these wonders is to ignore what was actually happening in the society that was the Islamic empire. The empire was tolerant of all religions and beliefs, including people "not of the book," which would include persons that were not Jews and Christians. This empire preached tolerance and benefitted from having non-believers because the government taxed non-believers more (which may have influenced the less-firm in their beliefs to convert).

The end result was a polycultural society that valued innovation, high art and wonderful architecture. And I would argue that it's not the dominant religion that was responsible but the society.

If you look at the last century, you'll see lots of Nobel Prize winners in the sciences coming from America (that would be The Great Satan to many Islamic societies -- especially Iran). Could it be that a polycultural society with vast natural resources is what helps in the creation of these innovations?

I look at these monocultural and intolerant societies as non-creators of advancements. For examples, one merely needs to look at Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran and China under the Cultural Revolution.

I agree that it is important to look to history and appreciate those innovations and inventions that came before but to suggest that a religion created these is to ignore what really happened.

I should note that, when Iberia turned monocultural and intolerent under the Kings of Castile and Aragon, they created and innovated such wonderous examples as the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion and forced conversion (and further persecution) of Jews and the encomienda system of tributory labor that was used to enslave and destroy Native American nations and civilizations. [sarcasm]It's a shame these innovations happened so long ago; they surely would have been awarded Nobel prizes for them.[/sarcasm]

I do not wish to detract from the religion that is Islam. I know a great number of practicing muslims and they are good people with whom I have very good friendships. I believe that people should get along with their neighbors and appreciate them more by striving to understand them. But the article seems to gloss over the fact that the culture probably begat the advancements rather than the religion.

Patents should be issued for physical inventions - actual physical products that you can hold in your hand - a propeller-hat or Dippy Drinking Bird for example. Patents should not be issued for business methods - a.k.a. any idea that comes out of my ass at work. It's patents like these and the ones behind the Blackberry case that show that these types of patents are completely anti-productive and against the original purpose of the patent system.

Basically, they are existing ideas or "business methods" applied to a new medium. There's nothing novel or unique about them. Someone just said, Hey, you could do auctions on the Internet, let's patent that! or Hey, you can do email on a cell phone, let's patent that!. I might as well start applying for patents for Email in Space! or Auctions in Space! That'll make me rich.

These things are so stupid and obvious I'm surprised that Judges will uphold them. Technically I suppose they're probably just following the law and their hands are tied. But that just means that the law needs to be changed - fat chance of that though considering the lobbying power of the large patent holders.

Freedom is unrealistic? Perhaps you think freedom is trite, like these prison guards do? If you want to bend over so someone else can make big money, don't forget to smile and hang on to your Moon Pony, because you asked for it.

YOU FARTED BLOOD

The church attempting to suppress ideas? Why, whatever could you mean?

"I am familiar with most of the points you make except #7. Do you have examples?"

When Cheney was Secretary of Defense, he changed the rules, allowing no-bid contracts in some cases. Now that Cheney is vice-president, his former company got a huge no-bid contract, in secret. This contract was partly to provide oilfield services. The attraction of oil and weapons for corrupters is that there is so much money involved, and many contracts.

There are too many other examples for a Slashdot comment. Note that when Secretary of "Defense", Cheney engineered one of the major problems between Osama bin Laden and the United States, that there were U.S. military weapons in Saudi Arabia.

So, Cheney helped create the problem, arranged that the problem would be very profitable for his company (no bids, just a secretly arranged contract), and then arranged for his company to get the contract. It's difficult to imagine more conflict of interest than that.

Fairly likeable? I'm not rotten.com fanboy, but they got it right here: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/hackers/steve-wo zniak/

Which reminds me of this article. You may want to start worrying about that precious bodily fluids of yours.

Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of this article.

I once owned a drinking bird, but I can't say I noticed any health benefits from my robot pet.

I prefer plants instead as they are easy to care for and bring real health benefits.

First off thanks for the great responses. This is an excellent reason for why i like the slashdot discussions. Instead of just getting into pointless bashing all the time - I actually can learn a lot.

Thanks, I appreciate considered discourse as well.

You seem to think it strange to extrapolate from my "mundane experiences" to the rest of the world - but I think that it's rationally more sound than the alternative. If we disregard our own experiences doesn't that make us completely credulous?

All true, but it seems me that you are over-projecting from your first hand knowledge. What prompted me to chime in was your assertion that "there are probably many people who could do what Steve is doing" which I definitely do not find to be credible. (Substitute Bill Gates or Jack Welch or other luminaries in your assertion I quoted, and I will still disagree with you!)

So I'm still somewhat skeptical. In my experience I've always felt that fundamentally people are people. This means they all operate on some relatively similar principles, but that they are all similarly irreducibly complex.

Consider (but just briefly) a history you know well. Would your church exist were it not for the very individual contributions of Joseph Smith and of Brigham Young?

To some extent what you say about great leaders holds true, but on the other hand we will never know how many Alexander the Greats or Napoleons never saw an army,

I believe those two men would have been tremendous leaders in just about any time or place. If around today, they probably would be in business! They probably would not have achieved the same historical recognition of course.

or how many Einsteins spent their lives in manual labor.

I believe that number is probably close to zero. For example, the influence of an Einstein in North America a few millennia ago might leave history only with the myth of Iktomi. Can I prove that? No, of course not, but such supposition is less preposterous than imagining an individual like Einstein living his life in ignominy, merely given different circumstances.

I'm willing to accept that there are extraordinary people - but at the same time I think that heroes and villains are largely products of the human attempt to impose narrative on our history. We need antagonists and protagonists - they are an essential element of the human experience even if they are not an essential element of objective reality.

Ah, but heros and villians clearly exist at some point in time, why not ours? Sure, history magnifies their influenece, just as time makes invisible the work of so many others. There is even a New Testament verse about how difficult it is to recognize a contemporary prophet! Yes, luck counts for a lot (that is the lesson of Accedential Empires, but that hardly diminishes the influence of indivuals.

But I'm eager to look into your references, and I appreciate them.

Jobs is a marketer, a schemer, a salesman. Jobs didn't really "collaborate" on anything with Woz so much as he rode him like a skilled horse to success. Look at the early Apple stuff: every bit of technical genius you see is from Woz alone. Really, Jobs isn't fit to polish Woz's shoes. The Nolan Bushnell/Breakout story is the classic example.

John Steward and the Daily Show got a peabody award. You know, an award for excellence, not content or popularity.

You know, the award that Bill O'Reilly claimed to have, then later retracted, because there is no level of excellence in anything he does.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pun dits/bill-oreilly/

You know, the award where he got into an argument with Al Franken, then went on air later on and insinuated that in a different time and place he would have liked to have shot Al Franken.

Yeah.

This just in: There is a person named "Olivia Peniston-Bird"

Do you think she is related to another Bird?

at least 106,000 years...

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/dildos/

Shortly after, in 1883, Burton's Kama Shastra society, a kind of sexual anthropological club, published the Kama Sutra for private circulation. The book caused such a furor in sexually repressive Victorian England (imagine, depicting women enjoying sex - the very idea!), that the book was banned and not published for public consumption again until 1963.

But even today, the legacy of Victorian censorship lives on. Many editions of the Kama Sutra still lack the full listing and explanation of the various sexual positions that the ancients knew -- rendering the dull pedantic translations that much more dull and lifeless. Furthermore, many of the inaccuracies of the "Burton" translation (for example, the pervasive bias against women asserting their own will and desires) still color modern editions of the text, prolonging our own cultural stereotype of the demure consenting woman and the lusty assertive man.

What the fuck are you talking about?

The man crashed his ultralight and nearly died.. An experience like that tends to make you appreciate life a little more, and it reorients your priorities. I've never seen or heard anything about Woz getting 'screwed' by anyone at Apple, except possibly for the Atari incident at the top of that link.

Nope, I think Woz was doing what he always does, just being a nice guy and a thoughtful hacker.

As a longtime reader of local alternative rags, I can assure you that they are supported by advertizers - and do have ads on every page. Much in the same way local network television is supported by commercials.

You're right that, in general, many forms of free expression are currently still allowed. But I'm saying that outcomes *exist* where in the future this could not be the case. An example: say I give a tutorial on installing Linux in my blog. Some luser hoses his install, blows away all his data, and sues me for bad advice. But I'm not licensed or accredited or *anything* - never said to blindly follow my instructions without considering the "if"s. So the court rules that I'm not financially responsible. But now there's a ground swell to require liability insurance for all bloggers, and it passes into law. Now I can't afford the associated fees when all I wanted to do was teach newbies.

Another scenario is the recent case of the Canadian woman who reported various environmental hazards and nuisances against the construction company taking over her neighborhood, reported not long ago on Slashdot. The company's suing her for 2 million. Well, what if Microsoft sues every blogger who said "MS sucks, I'm going to use Linux/BSD/Macintosh..." Blogs go south, when you can only look forward to that kind of reward. What I'm pointing to is: suing keeps little people quiet.

But back to the case of the stolen story. A quote from Bill Gates' bio, courtesy of the Rotten.com http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/bill-ga tes/ library:

Bill's company had written a port of the BASIC programming language (previously seen on other machines, and which Bill neither designed nor paid royalties for the use of) and this software, retailing at over $600 in 1975, was freely traded among the different computer owners, since, well, six hundred dollars is a lot of fucking money. This drove the young Gates ballistic, and in that year he fired off what became known as "The Letter", or "An Open Letter to Hobbyists", in which he decried this outward theft of his (ported, design-lifted) product. The letter drips with ironies, as Gates asks a group of people to stop taking his software and using it for free, when in fact his entire distribution model had depended on these very groups, and his product wasn't his exclusively in the first place. Needless to say, these sort of demands became much easier once Gates' company essentially corralled the entire market under its wing.

Case one of other people's work being stolen and then copyrighted against them! Yeah, it could happen. But what about plain 'ol piracy? Yes, big companys do it *ALL* the time, if you follow Harlan Ellison's legal battles: http://harlanellison.com/home.htm you get a sense after all that nearly nothing we see in the media is bought and paid for. There's nothing all that particular about Harlan's work, it's just that he's one of those crusaders who refuse to give an inch; kind of the Richard Stallman of science fiction, only with the panache of H.S. Thompson. No, not every legal battle he engages in involves direct theft of his work. And no, not every case is Earth-shattering proof that big media companies steal (Ellison has been accused of being, ah, extreme). But a hell of a lot of them are!

This ain't all here for point-for-point refutal. I juct bring it up because it gives me reason to say, "Never say never!"

Historically the American voting public do change their minds in the face of evidence

Just *bursting* with faith in the collective wisdom of the human spirit, aren't you?

Slashdotters are the perfect test market for bionic hands. Say hello to Rosy the Robotic Palm and Her Five Bionic Sisters. If they can't wear it out from repetitive motion, no one else will. Ooh, what a shocker!

Ralph Yarro says the Internet is a lot like the "lawless, wild West."

Mountain Meadows Massacre

In 1857, the Mormons slaughtered 128 men, women, and children in southern Utah. While it has never quite been proven that Brigham Young specifically ordered their deaths, it is apparent that the men who did the killing were acting on orders from high up the Church hierarchy. And it is incontrovertible that Young conspired to cover up the crimes.

In 1857, Brigham Young declared martial law in the Utah territory.

The Fancher Party arrived in Salt Lake City. According to Young's edict, the townspeople refused to sell supplies to the group. They headed south and camped in Mountain Meadows.

On September 7, 1857 the Fancher party suffered a coordinated joint attack by Paiute indians and Mormon militiamen. Many were killed on both sides before the pioneers could gain a tenable defensive position. Then followed five days of siege.

Finally, the Mormons negotiated a surrender. The surviving members of the Fancher party would hand over their livestock to the Paiutes and their guns to the Mormons. In return, the pioneers were guaranteed safe passage from the area. When they complied they were doublecrossed.

John Doyle Lee was executed by firing squad 23 Mar 1877 at Mountain Meadows.

7 Sep 1857 - 12 Sep 1857

5 Aug 1857 "We are invaded by a hostile force who are evidently assailing us to accomplish our overthrow and destruction." "That all the forces in said Territory hold themselves in readiness to March, at a moment's notice, to repel any and all such threatened invasion."

Not me, that's for sure. Smelly people because they are pathologically inconsiderate and a public health hazard.

For those too lazy or scared for their wimpy browser to click through, here's the relevant dope on Bill Gates:

The photo [a mug shot] also unintentionally captures classic Gates: completely wrecked hair, terrible looking clothes, generally slovenly appearance, and two glazed eyes staring out past thick glasses. This image changed very little over the bulk of Gates' career, with the shower taps running at much less frequency than the money taps. It should also be noted that this isn't some heaping of sour grapes from the gutter staring up at Bill's mountain of success; throughout the time he has been known in public, Bill's dedication to all-nighters and in-the-trenches energy ensured a number of high-profile press conferences and demonstrations where his lack of hygiene became as breathtaking as the product being demonstrated.

"Breathtaking", that's a nice way to say both he and his wares stink.

I'm going to take my daily bath now. That, brushing my teeth and applying anti-perspirent takes less than half an hour a day. It's also very cheap. I do it for the children and everyone else.

Come to think of it, I've never met a Linux user who did smell. Can we please bury this silly stereotype that Bill Gates has projected onto his enemies? It's almost as bad as a MSWord attachment to email.

The Story of Landru: