Domain: sunsite.dk
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Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator...
Office & Design
- OpenOffice.org
- AbiWord
- GIMP
Internet & Communication
- Mozilla
- FileZilla
- TightVNC
- WinHTTrack
- PuTTY
Multimedia & Games
- Audacity
- CDex
- Crack Attack!
- Sokoban YASC
- Celestia
- Really Slick Screensavers
Utilities & Other
- 7-Zip
- SciTE
- WinPT
- NetTime
Source: TheOpenCD -
Known issueApparently this has been known about for a while. Here's an excerpt from an IETF draft on BGP vulnerabilities from June 2003. Section 3.2.1.4 specifically mentions the attack described by Watson: From http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/drafts/draft-ietf-idr-b
g p-vuln-00.txt3.2.1.4. TCP RST/FIN/FIN-ACK
Event 18: If an attacker were able to spoof a RST, the BGP speaker would
bring down the connection, release all associated BGP resources, delete
all associated routes and run its decision process. If an attacker were
able to spoof a FIN, then data could still be transmitted, but any
attempt to receive would receive a notification that the connection is
closing. In most cases, this results in the connection being placed in
an Idle state, but if the connection is in the OpenSent state at the
time, the connection returns to an Active state. Spoofing a RST in this
situation requires an attacker to guess a sequence number that is in the
proper half of the sending window, generally an easier task than
guessing the exact sequence number so as to spoof a FIN. The use of [5]
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Re:Usability is fine
Let me just point out this simple fact: There will never be a killer app for linux.
Any application that is on any merit that runs on Linux will also be available on Solaris, *BSD, and Windows.
Terrific. Seriously. Office being available on Mac didn't hurt Windows at all. I think open source projects on Windows are the best Linux evangelism there is.
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THeOpenCD?
The Open CD Good choice of software, Open Office, Gimp, Mozilla, some screensavers, games,
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A list of software collectionsThere are three major collections of OSS software for Windows:
Of the three, I believe the Open Source Software CD is the one updated the most and is the most complete. (Disclaimer: I am its proud maintainer.) -
Re:Gnu Win CD
There's also The Open CD which is a similar project with the same purpose... point-and-click installs of several useful apps.
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Most library users are windows users...
Windows open source software can be great, so check out the The Open CD. It includes such wonderful things as (in type-of-application order):
OpenOffice.org, AbiWord, GIMP
Mozilla, FileZilla, TightVNC, WinHTTrack, PuTTY
Audacity, CDex, Crack Attack!, Sokoban YASC, Celestia, Really Slick Screensavers
7-Zip, SciTE, WinPT, NetTime
All of that would be great. Maybe even print up a little intro booklet to help the user in deciding what to install. -
Re:and yet the fonts still suck
Anti-aliasing is switched off for some reason in those shots. I don't know why.
With AA fonts, QT and GTK2 look, very, very nice.
Example 1 (GTK2)
Example 2 (QT)
The font is Bitstream Vera Sans, with AA and subpixel hinting enabled (they might look a bit 'off' on a CRT).
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Re:and yet the fonts still suck
Anti-aliasing is switched off for some reason in those shots. I don't know why.
With AA fonts, QT and GTK2 look, very, very nice.
Example 1 (GTK2)
Example 2 (QT)
The font is Bitstream Vera Sans, with AA and subpixel hinting enabled (they might look a bit 'off' on a CRT).
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Re:Cat got your tongue?
They already did that themselves.
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Re:It begins...
Another April Fool's day on pigeons. It was april 1st in Israel when this story was posted.
The great April 1st pigeon networks joke. Not the first... there's the 1999 RFC 2549. -
theOpenCD
Let me be the first of many to mention TheOpenCD. First switch to OSS under Windows. Once you're used to the apps, its easier to make the leap to a full Linux desktop.
I have dual-boot RH9/Win at work now and have not booted the Windows OS in 2 months. Most of what I need is:
Gnome
Evolution
OpenOffice
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Re:Sweet!
Now maybe I can figure out how to use the thing.
It's not difficult - you can find some good tutorials at gug.sunsite.dk. -
Re:download.com?
Obviously it's been a while since you've tried to find anything on download.com that was both free AND useful. The combination is pretty much non-existant these days.
As mentioned by others, most of the freeware developers have moved on to Free platforms, BUT a lot of that stuff has been ported to Windows. TheOpenCD has a good listing of Open Source stuff that's been ported. Check the forums if you don't find exactly what you're looking for, as a lot of apps don't get included on the CD for various reasons (space, duplication of functionality, etc).
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Re:Not at all
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Re:Not at all
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Re:Theres a few things I don't like about viop
headbulb--
Comfort noise is missing on less advanced VoIP implementations.
Here's a link to the RFC that specifically describes how to send packets with comfort noise. Note that there's actually some work done to make sure the noise matches the spectral shape of what should actually be there. This prevents the noise from seeming "unusual" the the listener (i.e. it's not just random fuzz):
RFC3389.
In terms of conversion and recompression, G.711 -- the "high bandwidth" version of VoIP, at around 64kbit per direction -- isn't even converted when it's passed to the PSTN network. It's only the higher levels of compression -- G.729, G.723 -- that need to be transformed at the proxy. And it turns out most of the failures happen one hop up from the DSL/Cable modem, because there's a huge amount of bandwidth coming in and relatively little to each endpoint. Something needs to be done about this, but it's not entirely clear what. Designing from the ground up -- yeah, we did that with the PSTN, and it's great, but there's so many legacy taxes that people are going to IP just to avoid regs written before the new tech was born.
That's the story.
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Give them Free and Open Source Software
My non-technical family has been running Red Hat for 2 years now, with good success. I actually taught my mom how to run a "dialup" script that I wrote, and she can connect to the Internet just fine.
They actually have two computers: a Win98 box and the RH box. The RH box is running SAMBA, and when each of my family members logs into his/her account on the Win98 side, his/her userspace is automatically mounted as drive X: (or something).
They have OpenOffice and Firebird on both machines.
Just this past Christmas, I upgraded my in-laws from W2K to Mandrake 9.2. They've been having a grand time (the games are a real winner), except that just today Evolution started giving them problems when they try to send mail.
My family has a hardware modem that I bought specifically for them, and they use wvdial in RH 9.0 (now). My in-laws have a winmodem that we bought (gasp!) a driver for from linuxant.com. I must admit, KPPP is very nice, and it beats my dialup script any day. :)
I'm planning to switch my family from GNOME/RH 9.0 to Mandrake/KDE next time I'm out there. I hadn't tried Mandrake until just before Christmas, but I must admit that I now recommend it as the best choice for my non-technical friends & relatives.
I recently installed Mandrake 9.2 on another friend's machine, and so far she's doing fine, too.
In fact, as I type I'm working on a laptop to send to my Dad. I've got Mandrake 9.2 on it and configured nicely (with Quasar, Firebird, and Acroread installed), but I just joined the Mandrake club so I can put 10.0 on it instead.
My experience has been that if you make sure people can do the things they want to do (i.e., not run MS Flight Sim, but email, surf the Web, word processes, etc.), and those people are willing to learn something new (or don't know any better), they can do just fine with something like Mandrake.
I've also started demonstrating Linux for people using MandrakeMove (KNOPPIX would work as well, I'm sure, but I haven't tried it yet). It's great to be able to pop in a CD, tell them none of their data is being touched, tell them a "real installation would be faster", and see how impressed they are.
Short of pushing someone all the way to Linux, I think the next best thing is to give them something like TheOpenCD.
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Re:Why stop there? (more)
When did an operating system go from single functional piece of software, to multimedia home entertainment system?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for all the extras, but if I don't want them installed (and not just hidden) where the f is the option to not install it period? I.e., web browser, messenger, media player, insert ms crapware here.
Heck, just include a cd or links on a desktop with a "readme" doc somewhere explaining the differences and let the consumer chose between the three browsers (opera, moz, ie), messengers (msn, aim, gaim, icq) and media players (winamp, wmp, real, qt).
Not that hard people. Especially if they include the download links that download it with something like WGET for Windows. Really people it can be done so simply.
Tip to microsoft: Do it this way, you'll win kudos with the consumers and other people. Especially the decision makers and perhaps even us linux/foss/bsd/[insert alternate OS here] zealots as well.
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One important thing
In using linux I've noticed that we have real problems with installing and uninstalling software (just image uninstalling mozilla on many platforms). This would have to be sorted before Linux could be used by the general public.
I hostly feel how ever that once this and other areas such as connecting devices have been delt with Microsoft have a big problem on there hands. Some projects that could sort the
installation/uninstalltion problem include autopackage zero-install and A-A-P -
Re:Much Needed Improvements
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Re:Shouldn't they fix Core 1 bugs first ?
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Re:Why not just give NEW pictures!
ok, i think they must've added the 6th image in that series later on, because there are certainly more in there than before, i think i'll have a go with the sundial next.
anyway, this one Spirit-pano-rgb-compose2.jpg uses the previously unavailable L6 and gets the US flag just about right. -
Re:Autopackage?By the way, it's funny this should be mentioned now but autopackage.org is in the middle of a DNS repropogation - it was switched to point to sunsite.dk literally hours ago.
For now, if it doesn't work, use autopackage.sunsite.dk and bear with us as we fixup the broken links etc.
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Re:Why not just give NEW pictures!
so, i threw this one together the other day, is it anywhere close do you guys reckon?
Spirit-pano-rgb-compose.jpg -
Mixed Environment!
I don't know what no one has really talked about using both. If you want linux on the client use rdesktop to connect to a windows box with terminal services for the software you can't use on Linux or try CrossOver Office the other alternative is to have Windows on the client and use WinAxe or another X server to conenct to Linux. If you don't like thoes ideas you can also use Open Source Windows software
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Technophiles are helpful for Linux
As a Linux user, I am sick of my Windows using freinds having problems. So I use my Linux skills to fix windows.
Useful Linux tools.
K-noppix. The Universal boot disk. Useful for deleting viruses, partitioning hard drives and of course getting rid of windows
Ports of famous Linux programs for Windows
Use this to secure the internet
It is working! Many people have asked me for my Linux CDRs and cannot be any happier. Linux saved my life as a techie. With the new KDE 3.2 there really is no excuse not to use Linux, as it is now almost totally idiot proof! -
Re:Perspective of a Linux neophyte
Get your faster version of OpenOffice here It starts up in just 2 seconds on my medium range machine (1.6Ghz with 768Mb RAM) and once loaded it is very fast.
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Re:The improvements just keep coming...
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Re:3rd world?!?wouldn't it be wise to run fiber optic at the same time as they run new powerlines?
Why bother with the power lines at all, just run the fiber cables, then set up a MPLampS network (RFC3251)
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Re:Regarding your sig
note: anyone who suggests VI is an macho idiot who cannot be trusted, emacs is functional but still fairly shitt. Come out of the the 1980's, guys
Anyone who says that VI and Emacs are shitt should come out of the 1980's.Vim is incredible and GNU/Emacs with the JDEE is a fantastic Java development environment.
But seriously...my sig does not say "their IDEs suck...", it says "beware their IDEs"...they rope you in and tie you down:
Ever tried developing a decent plugin for their IDEs (think SCC: the version control API)?
Ever worked with someone who only knows MS IDEs and try to work on something "different"?
Ever tried to develop an "open standards" application with their IDE?
More than 15 years of development on their "IDEs" and they still don't have a decent REGEXP search-and-replace...don't have "keyboard macros"...still don't have very effective mouse-free (i.e. keyboard exclusive) navigation.
So yes, they have done some very nice things in their IDEs. But you compare VI and Emacs , which are extremely powerful editors that now have compiler/debugger (IDE) capabilities to MS IDEs which are very powerful development environments with a low-end editor. (Yes, VI and Emacs now have Intellisense too).
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Re:And 174 and 192...
And 174 and 192...
What's with 174? I don't recall anything special about 174. And about 192, some people think it is resrved, but in fact only 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved by RFC 1918. All the people not understanding RFC 1918 of course cause some problems for everybody with an IP adress in 192.0.0.0/24.
224-255 are for multicast.
In fact only 224-239 are for multicast. 240-254 are reserved for future extensions, and 255 is reserved for something I don't remember. -
Re:And 174 and 192...
And 174 and 192...
What's with 174? I don't recall anything special about 174. And about 192, some people think it is resrved, but in fact only 192.168.0.0/16 is reserved by RFC 1918. All the people not understanding RFC 1918 of course cause some problems for everybody with an IP adress in 192.0.0.0/24.
224-255 are for multicast.
In fact only 224-239 are for multicast. 240-254 are reserved for future extensions, and 255 is reserved for something I don't remember. -
Re:Hey...
2038 is a valid concern. But if DNS servers compare serial numbers according to RFC 1982 it is not going to be a problem.
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Re:Difficult to use or?
The largest problem with learning The GIMP right now is that
... you will be hard pressed to find a "Teach yourself" or "24 hours" type book, especially for the current version. There are tutorials online... ...such as the Gimp User Group which can teach you a lot of very good techniques with a collection of very good tutorials.
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Re:Get the terminology right
Well, do you consider something like wget a "browser?" While I would describe it as a HTTP client, I would not call it a browser.
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Re:Good question!
There is an rfc proposal that in some ways adresses these concerns.
Increase your PENIS! size while working from HOME!
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few ones
Try few free (of cost) games:
strategy
FreeCiv - new version was just released, FreeCiv is not as good as Civ3 in single player, but it's very playable in mp
TEG - if you want simple strategy (it's risk clone)
lgeneral - panzer general clone
action
RTCW ET - IMHO best team action game
Cube - simple multiplayer FPS, with nice graphics
Armagetron - 3D tron implementation
sport
CannonSmash - table tennis simulation
foobillard- billard simulation
misc
Scorched 3D - scorch (or for younger slashdot users: worms) clone
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Re:I RTFAed..
Or - Setup.exe
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Re:Mirrors
Here is the BitTorrent of TheOpenCD ISO.
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BitTorrent Available for OpenCD 1.2 ISO
You can use BitTorrent to download the OpenCD ISO, in addition to the traditional mirrors. Henrik Omma (the project founder) put up
.torrent files here:
http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/torrents/
Note: there are TWO torrents. One is the binary ISO, one is the source code. Make sure you know which you want (most people will just want the regular ISO, not the source code). -
Software Listthe website's list of included software
- Office & Design
- OpenOffice.org
- AbiWord
- GIMP
- Internet & Communication
- Mozilla
- FileZilla
- TightVNC
- WinHTTrack
- PuTTY
- Multimedia & Games
- Audacity
- CDex
- Crack Attack!
- Sokoban YASC
- Celestia
- Really Slick Screensavers
- Utilities & Other
- 7-Zip
- SciTE
- WinPT
- NetTime
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Bittorrent Link
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Re:So...
From the About page;
"The Open CD project aims to introduce users of MS-Windows to the benefits of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS)."Don't you think users of an OSS OS would already be aware of these benefits?
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Re:No more income from me then
If you guys are so up in your panties about this move, go elsewhere for support. You can get updates elsewhere. I've successfully been maintaining servers in the 30 or 40 just using apt-get and kickstart -- for free.
Get started here:
Freshrpms.net
DAG RPMS
ATrpms
newrpms
KDE For Redhat/Fedora
JPackage
CCRMA (Karma)
Gstreamer
Kernel 2.6.0-test
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a proposal for doing a/the trasition smootherI don't know about you, but switching everything around for non-crafty-tech-folk isn't the best way of doing a transition. I found out that that could only make things worse, as they get pretty much confused, and demand their old configuration back.
so if I where an admin there, I'd do the trasition in several steps, slowly under a longer period of time (like 1-2 years...but it all depends on what level the users are on..):- start reclaping their Office-suite out with an open one;like OpenOffice (still running on windows)
- Add Mozilla on their desktop, with the link "Internet Browser" (or other win32 open source allternative. and no, not Opera it is pay-for-app, so unless you want to run WAREZ, leave it be..)
- (the biggest of them all) under the course of time *slowly* install (and replace only the still paying
softwares installed) with alternative win32 open source apps. Here are a few links worth knowing of:
- List of available open source/software for win32, with urls
- Complete list of sourceforge.net projects for win32
- Complete list of freshmeat.net project's for win32
- Yet another list, though more structured
:-) - A link to an old related slashdot post
... and if that's not enough for you, just ask slashdot for more links =)
- and everytime "they/you ask" for a soulution, dig deeper (than an M$/proprietary solution) and give/tell them an open source (still on their win32 platform) solution. (ps, maybe by this time it's time to, a) either send your available "only M$ & windows drones for admins" on open source/software coureses/lectures/conferences.. etc, b) xor if they protest, fire them =) *it's in your right as 'THE BIG HOUNCHO'=)*, and bring in new admins with knowledge deeper in open source/software than M$ *plenty out there...*)
- ..one year lator *or so*; have available, in a "in-your-face"-kind of place, customized uptodate burned KNOPPIX Cd's somewhere your cooworkers can see them, take one and give it a spin; (HENCE, with all the availible software you are useing on the win32, for the linux platfrom, +plus additional. PS, also good if ${YOU the}/your admin customize more than what apps are on it, and configure it be just as/more like the win32 install you are useing/running....*and such stuff*)
then, when they start asking "why are we still running & paying for M$ windows?, when everything we do is available on the free/open enviorment linux (linux/gnu) platform, for a fraction of the cost."... then I would say, it's a supreme situation to dring forth that linux install...
think of the +plus side, of it; time will only make the linux kernel and distros better, and give you plenty of oppertunity to plan & execute the whole trasition very/more effectlly.
PS. Don't forget, that M$ had lots of time getting their users used to using apps only for their platform, that after a while users can't/couldn't see past running anything else than windows, as the software they know & love is only win32.... so it makes sense to first "un-program" them from that restriction... -
For those who run into trouble looking for mirrors
Now at a station near you !
Windows : Linorg Projeto Brasil ISC | IndianaU | BinaryCode | ibiblio.org | PAIR | SecsUp | Telentente | Umbc Vienna UT
Linux : IndianaU | ISC | BehrSolutions | BinaryCode | ibiblio.org | pair | SecsUp | Telentente | Umbc Vienna UT Belnet | KULeuvenNet CVUT Sunsite FUNET -
Re:An odd change!
After Running Threw DLL Hell with Windows, Then going threw the Libary Dependencies with Linux
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Re:Allegro
Actually, it's been moved here. Also, Allegro's recently gotten a Mac OS X port. If you're only really interested in 2D game creation, Allegro is King in my book. However, its 3D routines are all software-based, and getting OpenGL working with it is a bit of a pain (google for Allegro GL). This will change, I think, as there's been a lot of talk about massive changes in the lib for version 5.
There's also OpenPTC (don't feel like looking for the link right now), which IIRC is massively cross-platform.
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Re:Oh no!