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22lb Ice Blocks From the Sky
cavedwler writes "An article http://www.msnbc.com/news/814100.asp?0dm=-23ET over on MSNBC has an interesting writeup about large ice blocks forming in the upper atmosphere on CLEAR days. Pretty interesting read." The article talks about how this could be a harbinger of massive climactic change. Either way, I'd prefer to not have one of these things smack into my house.
Smash into your house ?? how about smash into your head ? thats much worst
how about a 22LB first post!
Build a man a fire and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and you warm him for the rest of his life.
build igloos of course!
Have one of these hit the ol' chevy on blocks and hey, ice for your beer.
"Climactic": relating to climaxes.
"Climatic": relating to climate.
I can't believe I had to wait 20 seconds to post this! all I needed was 5, but nooooo
I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Brazil, insurances (at least Car Insurances) don't really cover accidents due to forces of nature.
-mz
I scream!
You scream!
We all scream for ice-- SPLAT!
If you post it, they will read.
The Spanish "scientist" is obviously a green whacko. He even contradicts himself. Are the skys clear or are they filled with ice blocks and ice clouds? And what's with the sizes jumping around, from 10 kg to 16 kg to 300 kg?
I think it's clear from inspection that this is just not happening and we don't need to investigate any further.
"But geologist Roger Buick of the University of Washington in Seattle told the same publication ..."
Somehow I think that the guy from Colorado should back off, seeing as someone from Washington would be much more familiar with rain.
got standards? --- http://www.w3.org/
I hope the mainstream press doesn't find out about this - - it will be pitched as YANTA (Yet Another Terrorist Act).
I was swirling it above Spain trying to look down Xui Xuis top.
Sincerely,
--Galacticus
riding round the world on an old motorcycle
The ice in Spain falls mainly on your windshield.
that this isn't some test system by the RIAA to stop piracy? Take that, thief!
I know more than you drink.
Anybody contacted Taco Bell yet?
Hey hey, put that chunk of ice away *ducks*
The US government has been creating underground cities and even highways for decades. No doubt this is the reason why.
Thank you.
Are they sure they're not just ice chunks falling off of MIR? ;-)
"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
A quick look on mathsci.net shows other papers that they have published:
"Lake Superior: Gosh it sure is a lot of water," Journal of Hydrologic modeling.
GRRRRR!!!
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
INTRODUCTION
.DOC (short for .DOC acronym with
.NFO acronym. One assumes NFO was created to be the three .NFO before it eventually evolved to the now current standard of
Ever since there has been the ability to store data on a personal
computer and commercial software for sale, there has been the
existence of pirating. Pirating, cracking and even pirate scenes
go all the way back to the late seventies, and maybe even earlier.
By the early eighties some machines (such as the BBC Macro in Europe)
where so riddled with pirates that the programming companies gave up.
They discontinued producing and porting software for the affected
computers because there was simply no money to be made.
This report like this webpage is designed with the PC scene in mind.
WHEN DID THE PC SCENE BEGIN?
Of all the many 8bit computers and scenes of the early eighties
(the golden age?) most people will agree that the Commodore 64
was the biggest of them all. The Commodore 64 scene started back
in 1982 (mainly by a lot of young teenagers). While the PC was
released earlier to the public it would be the Commodore 64's
pirate scene which would introduce many of the standards that today
we take as granted. During this time on the PC there were some small
groups with people releasing and cracking, but these cracked programs
usually remained local. The international PC scene did not take off
until 1987. This was when people started to trade software with
cracks over longer distances and overseas which formed the basis
of the now old school BBS scene.
EARLY NFOs AND CRACKTROS
Unfortunately for us the eighties PC scene is one of the lesser
known and least documented. Due to the limitations of the PC at
the time, cracktros where extremely rare (unlike the Commodore 64,
Amiga or Atari ST) and text files to document the releases were
usually never created.
In the eighties many cracks where usually created by individuals
rather then groups (groups being a collection of people who work
under the same name). These individuals would normally leave a
signature in the release to identify themselves as the cracker.
For example on a game's title screen you might see in the bottom
corner "cracked by Lord Blix". By the end of the eighties it was
the groups who where cracking releases rather then just individuals.
And with groups being a more prestigious lot they would sometimes
insert a custom title screen designed especially for that release
(simular to today's installers). Bentley Sidewell Productions,
a famous cracking group of the late eighties would usually use
a CGA picture or animation to show that they cracked the title.
While International Network of Crackers would use a less
captivating ANSI graphic.
It's worth noting that Bentley Sidewell Productions animations
were probably the first cracktros and intros for the PC. So
technically the origins of the PC demo scene goes back to the old
PC cracking scene.
It was the hacking groups of the eighties that first started to
use acronyms to encrypt their names. This was often used to
confuse unwanted people from differentiating the different hacking
groups but it's main benefit was the addreviated typing. Typing
abbreviations is a lot easier then typing the complete group
name. But the standard three letter acronym was not really
considered standard until the PC's emergence in the early nineties
(groups on other computers had up to five or six letter acronyms).
This was due to DOS's limited file naming capability of only being
able to handle eleven characters (eight . three) per file.
When crackers wanted to add last minute notes or information
about their cracks they would include a small text file into the
release. Eventually groups started adding regular text files to
their releases. Information in these files would usually state
a note from the cracker, some information on how to play the game
(keyboard keys etc) and maybe a member listing or some BBS numbers.
It was about this time that the groups started to implement a set
naming format to these text files. This format use an eight letter
abbreviated form of the program title followed by
document). Other groups decided to replace the
one based on their groups name for example SIMCITY.CIA, SIMCITY.INC
or SIMCITY.PTL. Hence the standard group three letter acronym was
formed.
To the best of knowledge The Humble Guys in 1990 introduced the now
standard
letter acronym for the word information or info. The initial format
was the standard eight letter game title abbreviation followed by
GROUP.NFO.
COURIERS
The earliest long distance couriers started off under a
different title, Phreakers. Most phreakers where usually involved
primarily in the HPAV (Hacking, Phreaking, Anarchy, Virus) type
scenes with pirating being a second priority. This made the scene
very defragmentated and slow, it would take weeks for releases to
be spread continentally. The problem was that not many pirates
knew how to phreak and paying for long distance phone calls was
out of the question. Thankfully in around 1988 a new phreak group
was created. North American Pirate Phreak Alliance (NAP/PA) was
the group and it's goal was to spread the How To's Of Phreaking
to the pirates. Many of the top boards of the time quickly
became affiliations of NAP/PA, which made the information available
to the right people. This information literally helped the scene
come a closer and a little more united.
By the early nineties many people had less respect for couriers
compared to that of the crackers, sysops and packagers. This
opinion was usually formed because courering was not the most
challenging of tasks, almost anyone could do it. It was more of a
matter of how much you where willing to risk or spend rather than
a person's skill. At one point The Humble Guys even named their
couriers, slaves. Couriers would have to log onto The Humble
Guys BBS's as slave 1, slave 2 etc. This caused an uproar in
the scene but at the time The Humble Guys where the big guys
and could generally do what they wanted.
These days pre'ing releases (couriering a release before it's
made public) is common practice, it wasn't so back then. Due to
the limitations in speed and the fact that you had to dial into
each BBS individually, releases took longer to spread. This ended
up coining the one most famous of BBS phrases, "0 day warez".
Zero day warez is when one gets the release on the same day
as it was released, be it from the software company or from a
group. The saying was often used to differentiate the good BBSs
from the others and by suppliers for use on the status of software.
BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS
Many BBSs at this time needed to pay a monthly fee for
their group affiliation (money which usually came from the
user-pay leech acccounts). This money would be used by the
groups in many ways but mainly to obtain software. A broke group
usually had a dry run when it came to releasing. This monthly
fee plus all the extra hardware and phone lines required
a major investment by the system operator. And it was investment
that gave the siteop the respect they required from the BBS users.
There was something about a top ranking sysop, because you
were in their homes (electronically) using their equipment.
They had total control over everything that happened on their
system, including your personal information.
Now, running a BBS that contained illegal software was a risky
business. One because the system was usually based at the
system operator's home and two because there where some companies
that were desperate to stop the flow of the illegal copies of
their programs. These corporations including Microsoft and Novell
worked with local and federal police in attempt to take down
these means of distributing software.
Now you all know about the Net Act. in the USA that now makes
it legal for anyone with a certain amount (dollar value) of
pirate software to be convicted. But you may be wondering how
people were busted before this act was created. Well, the most
common reason would be that the offender was making money from
illegal software (selling CDs or floppies) which would attract
the attention of the police. While the other more harsh way of
being busted was to get a civil case law suit against you. These
were never pretty and usually involved the complete loss of
anything that was computer related from one's house. Civil
suits were bought on by software companies and are covered by a
completely different set of laws to the criminal codes. Because
of this most boards banned Novell releases due to Novell's
semi-successful world wide anti-piracy campaign.
The death of the BBS one could say happened after Park Central
closed down. This was at the time the number one BBS in the
world and was a central link for the scene. It was often used
to prove who won a release race, being the boxing ring and the
referee. But some groups got smart and started avoiding the
BBSs all together and instead decided to spread the release
exclusively over the Internet. This left people a confusing
situation of where there was one group winning the release on
the BBS's and the other winning on the Internet. The final
nail in the coffin for the bulletin board system was the infamous
Cyberstrike campaign of February 1997 where five major BBS's
were busted in a single week. It caused many BBS and some sites
to close shop permanently in the fear of themselves being
the next victims.
SUPPLIERS
The supplying methods for groups in early years weere not
too different to today's methods. Store pickups and ordering
directly from the company where the main means for many groups.
The money would usually come from various payments such as
official BBS affiliates. Another more attractive way to supply
was to use insiders who are kind of like corporate saboteurs
for the pirate scene. Insiders obtain the program directly from
the source before it's released to the stores. It saves a lot
of effort on the group's behalf as they don't have to keep
tabs on the program and they avoid the rush to grab it when it
goes to the stores. It also left the crackers more time to
tinker around with the program.
A more creative way to obtain pre'store software was for group
members to pretend they worked for a gaming magazine. The
software companies where usually more then happy to send out
their software if given the correct information. But when the
companies smartened up this option became less viable.
SCENE ART
There have been artists for the PC ever since there has been
ASCII and ANSI. But international groups in the way that we
know of today only started in around late 1990. ACID (ANSI
Creators In Demand) were the first of these international
groups, trend setters who originally specialised in ANSI art
and ANSIMation ads. They earned their reputation of being one
of the best in their field by supporting the best pirate boards
of the time. Just like our demo scene the PC art scene emerged
from the pirate scene. Unfortunately this link has long
since been lost with the warez scene art becoming second class.
As the PC gained more acceptance in Europe (an area dominated
by the Amiga and Atari) some members of the bigger Amiga groups
found themselves using or buying these strange PC machines and
needed software. So a long line of Commodore cracking groups
made their way across to the DOStel system, including Fairlight,
Razor 1911 and the merged Tri Star and Red Sector.
THE INTERNET
The Internet has often been used by the scene for
various reasons but it never became a serious tool until
the early nineties. Little did people know at this time
how much this tool would change the scene, to basically
create a new generation of pirate scene. Bulletin board
systems had always kept the scene secret and underground. A
newbie often found it extremely difficult to gain access
to even a mediocre local board. Most of these people faced
the daunting task of hunting down a system password just
to get the logon prompt and then new user password to even
apply for membership. But the Internet changed all this,
the Internet made everything that was once so hard to obtain
so easy. IRC, email, ftp and webpages all open to Joe public.
And in 1994 they flooded in, drove after drove causing
great despair among the many old schoolers. Many of these
people didn't appreciate their turf being overrun by these
so-called lamers, so they closed their doors. While the
old doors closed new doors opened, newsgroups, top100 web
pages, anonymous ftp and the most infamous of all IRC offer
channels.
IRC offer channels where originally started by groups to
offer releases to their friends but when Fate (the
leading Internet courier group in 1995) opened their
channel (#fatefiles) to the public, Joe Lamer couldn't
resist. Many people copied #fatefile's format (+mnst)
and many of these channels failed, especially since
most groups totally disapproved of IRC trading.
CD RIPPING
While the Internet changed the way the scene communicated
and traded it was the gaming industry's move to the CD Rom
that also helped create the second scene revolution. While
CD Rom titles for the PC have been around since 1989
(Sierra/Dynamix) the scene did not take onto this new medium
until the mid-nineties. And even at this time no one took it
too seriously with many groups creating separate groups for
the CD Rom releases. These seperate groups where usually
created just to release crapware under a different label.
And that is was CD titles where originally considered,
crapware. These crapware groups where kind of like the
IND releases today, though less anonymous.
Originally these crapware/cd-rom groups would release the
whole CD, but it wasn't in ISO format, rather the files were
just copied off the CD. But people were not used to these
large releases and so Hybrid invented the first cd-rip,
where the group would leave out unnecessary parts of the
game. But the rippers still had the mentality of the floppy
disk: the smaller the better was the goal. So many games
where raped to their bare minimum making them pretty boring
to play. Playing some of these raped games was like trying
to watch a special effects Hollywood blockbuster on a black
and white TV with no sound. To add to this many ripped games
were poorly cracked with a great number requiring third party
utilities such has CD emulators (fakecd.exe).
When software publishers started taking advantage of the
space available on a CD Rom most of the main game groups
agreed on a standard disk limit. On July the 6th 1996 five of
these groups formed a pact agreement under the name of Software
Pirates Association (SPA). The SPA's goal was to see the
enforcement of their "rules of engagement". Any release that
broke the SPA rules would be nuked on the affiliated sites.
Eventually the SPA fell prey to internal fights created by
group politics.
In 1998 the SPA was laid to rest because the groups involved
were simply not following the rules. But soon enough the big
three groups (Class, Razor 1911, and Paradigm)formed a new
organization called The Faction. The faction created a
detailed listing of its rules and they released those rules
to the public. The biggest change was the upping of the disk
limit to 50*2.88 disks (it had been 75*1.44 disks).
While other groups changed to the 2.88 disk format some did
ignore the 50 disk limit and too many people it just didn't
matter anymore.
ISO SCENE (CD IMAGES)
In 1997 the prices of CD writing material became cheaper, this
combined with easier access to high speed internet created a new
niche market. Full versions of games where wanted and so the
ISO scene was created. ISO's are CD images and because they
contain the complete CD image they are extremely big. Just
like the CD scene three years earlier some of the bigger groups
created new sub-groups for this ISO scene.
By 1998 the ISO scene had grown. Gone were the days groups
would dupe each others titles on different sites and not
even realise it. Also gone where multistandards in releases.
The scene may have been called ISO because that was the
original format people used to store the information with but
by 1998 everyone had switched to the bin/cue format. Also
strangely we discovered in 1998 that some big name rip groups
couldn't hack it in this ISO scene. While some others who
fared terrible in the rip scene flourished in with ISOs.
Probably the biggest controversy in the ISO scene for this year
was whether groups should rip out Direct X etc to fit the image
onto a standard 74min CD or weather to leave it as a full
80+minutes (which required special CDs to burn properly).
Didn't we have all kinds of doomtalk about the climate change and a mini-ice age happening?
:p
I wouldn't deny it. I mean, I live in southern California and it's less than 100 right now. As a matter of fact, it's less than 70 right now -- even the daytime high wasn't much warmer. THAT is scary.
Danish != nationality
In short, IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL NOT LAUGH AT ANY OF YOUR JOKES!
Not to be the fundie alarmist, but I could've sworn there was something about big heavy hailstones (ice blocks) being one of the plagues somewhere in Revelation...
Anyone care to look that bit up?
Jesus [...] has spent the last two and a half years investigating so-called megacryometeors
Cut the guy some slack, you think it's easy being the son of God?
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
What's with the dramatic pauses? I was expecting a violin crash after he uttered "Iberian rain".
Back to the topic, what are we to glean from such a shallow article from an entertainment company? Can we get an article from a scientific journal next time? Is this really a new phenomenon, or is it that accounts of ice falling from the sky are discounted? After all, you can't expect the evidence to last very long on a balmy summer day...
"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq"
-- Paul Wolfowitz, 7/21/2003
Global warming is causing large blocks of ice to form in the upper atmosphere. Does this fail to make sense to anyone else? Hey Doc ... lay off the LSD already
It's not water from airplane toilets. ... Its isotopic composition bears the signature ... of Iberian rain.
I want to know which lab assistant had to sample the isotropic composition of airplane toilet water!
"Hey kid, we have an exciting experiment for you to do!"
Ice doogies plummet to the earth!
a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
Don't they get sick of using the same template? To wit:
"An article over at [some news site] has an article about [some subject]. Pretty interesting read. They talk about [cut n paste something from article]. Either way, [say something stupidly obvious]."
Sorry. It's monday.
"Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
I'm not a religious man, but you ever get nailed by a 30kg block of ice falling from a clear sky, you can be pretty sure God was trying to tell you something.
Man ... I wish I had some ice ... wha ... ahhhh..
"We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
What did the farmer think when the ice landed in his lettuce field?
Iceberg lettuce.
What happens if one of these lands in a pool of hot substance like lava?
Could these blocks of "ice" in fact be frozen piss and turds dropped from the washrooms of 747's ? This seems a bit more plausible to me.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
Now that you're "science" can't prove what is going on, you need to turn to Jesus for the answers. The risin Lord loves everyone, just accept him into you're hearts and you will be saved.
sir bard
Global Warming HAS to be a joke if ICE is forming in the sky.
(see subject)
I am glad they got rid of the 21 and 23 lb blocks.
.
I am always suspicious when I see something is 2.2 lb or 22 lb etc
It usualy is false accuracy. The guy said somthing like " they weight about 10 kg and viola
22 lb.. 20 lb would be a more likely conversion since the first figure was an estimate.
How many times in the paper have you seen a
report of a 22 lb bomb going off. How did they know? Maybe it realy was a "10 kg bomb" ie an
estimate.
Frozen masses of piss and shit being dropped from commercial airliners?
The article talks about hail, but they fail to
mention that hail ONLY comes from thunderstorms.
Just like tornadoes ONLY come from thunderstorms.
And almost all lighting comes from, you guessed it,
thunderstorms. They also fail to talk about the
freezing level. That's how a thunderstorm becomes
a thunderstorm. A cumulus cloud that's growing
upwards because of vorticity (air rising fast)
grows past the freezing level. The top of the
cloud and the bottom of the cloud get different
charges and blammo, you have a big floating battery in the
sky. The hail forms because there are rapidly
moving columns of air moving up and down
in the cloud and water trapped in that column
gets frozen, recoated with water, frozen again,
etc.
The ice clouds he's talking about are
cirrus clouds of some kind. That's basically
any cloud made up of super tiny ice crystals
because they are above the freezing level.
a VERY VERY rare type of cloud is called
cirrocumulus. This is ice crystal clouds in
the shape of the puffy white clouds called
cumulus that sometimes turn into thunderstorms.
The reason these clouds are so rare is because
they are unbelievably heavy. It takes an
incredible amount of 'vorticity' to keep
them up there, and they don't last long.
If you ever see very high puffy cottonball
looking clouds, there's a great chance you'll
have a thunderstorm soon (24-48 hours) because
vorticity (air rising fast) is one of the major
things needed. There is NO WAY upper atmosphere
vorticity is going to hold water in the air
long enough for it to weigh 10 friggin pounds.
There is no way that ice clouds would clump
together and form ice. There is simply no force
there to do that work. You might get a ball of
something more like snow, but definitely not
ice. I'd be more willing to bet some smartass
with a catapult is having fun at the ice factory.
If they said this was related to thunderstorm
activity, I might buy it. But on a clear day?
No way.
The most important thing any republican needs to know.
It has started:
as heavy as a talent [between fifty and sixty pounds],
of immense size, fell from the sky on the people;
and men blasphemed God for the plague of the hail,
so very great was [the torture] of that plague.
(Revelation 16:21)
Trust me; Fundamentalist sermons will be referring to this story for a long time to come.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq"
-- Paul Wolfowitz, 7/21/2003
"Hey, I wanted ice in my drink, but I didn't ask for this!"
Just get everyone to run dual proccie Itanium2's. The things will melt before they get within a 1000ft of any suitably equipped home.
"Climactic": relating to climaxes.
The word you are looking for is "orgasmic".
Allegedly, her insurance company balked and said that her policy - which included everything from fire and flooding to sinkholes - did not cover Acts of God. Clearly, a meteor hurtling through the atmosphere to striker her house was an Act of God. However, the company ultimately paid, bowing to public pressure.
Ran keywords against google, but couldn't find a reference - so it's probably bullshit.
Looks like somebody's got a case of the Mondays.
God. Prove yourself. The address is:
Dubya,
A ranch,
Crawford,
Texas
PS. I know it's asking a lot, but if you could add Ruport Murdoch to the list that would be great. You could do it after you've given loads more poor people AIDS.
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
Yeah, I heard this one before. And the big bad wolf is going to come eat us all, right? You go hide in your cave. OK, see you later. Have fun. What the hell is--
::BONK!::
You see that msnbc link ? seems innocent huh
when you click it though you are actually sent to msn in order to transfer your cookie from any of msn's domains which includes hotmail (any of the *.msn.com domains) in order to track you personally (if you use hotmail notice hm is actually a subdomain of msn)
so while you click on the story link of
www.msnbc.com/news/814100.asp&0dm=-23ET
you are actually sent to here
http://msid.msn.com/mps_id_sharing/redirect.asp?w
why ? so they can steal your hotmail/msn cookie and transfer it to the msnbc domain and track you across any of microsofts domains (hence the msid = microsoft id or guid), this gets round all browser cookie privacy limitations that browser manufacturers (including mozilla/msie/ns) implementation so websites cannot read cookies from other domains and is a blatent privacy breach,
whats happening is msid server is reading your cookie and passing it to the create_p1.asp page via a GET which then creates a new cookie with your old cookie values then finally redirects you to the story complete with transfered cookies contents, clever but not clever enough for those that spot it
of course all this cookie sharing happens in the blink of an eye so the average user doesnt see it (dont believe me look at the 302 redirect headers sent when you click the msnbc link) and has no idea they have actually visited msn.com in order to steal their msn cookie
more information about this exploit can be found here
http://www.pc-help.org/privacy/ms_guid.htm
i really wish that the
of course if you block msid.msn you cannot access the msnbc site , basically if you wont let msn track you they wont let you in the site
yeah im anon cos who iam doesnt matter
If you were to Read The Fucking Article right now, you--like the rest of us--would realize what a dumbass you sound like. Too bad whomever modded you up also didn't RTFA.
"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq"
-- Paul Wolfowitz, 7/21/2003
Just to wax pendantic for a moment: an estimate of "10 kilos" isn't precisely "22 lbs". A more *accurate* translation would be "20 lbs".
-- "At Microsoft, quality is job 1.1" -- PC Magazine, Nov. 1994
does it make a sound?
for me is not whether or not ice can form. Of course it can form. The question in my mind is what kind of wind can sustain such a large glob?
Traditional hailstones form in the updrafts of thunderstorms--the more forceful the updraft, the larger the hailstones. This begs the question of what kind of wind is keeping these things aloft and allowing them to form. The answer could be easily found in a wind tunnel. What you need to know is the terminal velocity of these ice "blocks". I assume they are not actually blocks. That would just be too wierd.
Perhaps, there is some kind of ice structure that forms and has a very low terminal velocity... ice parachutes with thick centers? Then, as it falls through the atmosphere whatever it is that reduces the terminal velocity melts, leaving the "payload".
Also, is there any correlation between these things and anything else (like contrails?). If there is, then maybe we could use doppler RADAR to look for clear-air updrafts, and a telescope to view these things as they form. Of course, maybe these things are highly localized--little tornados in the upper atmosphere... maybe they are smaller than the resolution of the RADAR.
At any rate, I just hope these things stay away from my head.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
When somebody says -40 C when they actually meant -40 F . UHh I mean like when someone says 4 liters when they MEANT to say 1 gallon. DAMNit I'll get it right. someday.
I place as much faith in your infidel superstitions as I place in "you're" grammar. By the way, how were you able to post your drivel in post-Columbine, post-911, post-RAPTURE America? I guess you got Left Behind, sucker.
"I think all foreigners should stop interfering in the internal affairs of Iraq"
-- Paul Wolfowitz, 7/21/2003
I agree! It's about time all this global warming propaganda is exposed for what it is. A plot to destroy the American economy. Did you know Greenpeace received generous funding from Osama bin Laden? No they don't advertise that, do they?!
Anyways, we should all burn more fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are a safe and pollution free form of energy. I mean people, C02 is not a pollutant, c'mon! So anyway don't let all those towel heads stop you consuming more oil. Remember what is in your countries best interests!
I have seen one of these things. Last Spring I was outside doing yard work when I head a loud thunk. I walk over to where the noise came from and there was a LARGE ball of ice about the size of a basketball. The odd thing was, it was a clear day. I'm glad to finally know it wasn't just God trying to smite me or something. :-)
Keep Austin Weird!
falls mainly on your brain...
(yes, I suck)
I see lots of people asking basic questions such as "What about...?" and "What if...?" and "How come...?" Come on people, get past the popsci article and go straight to the source from the guy himself.
Da Blog
Hmmm...this sounds familiar....maybe these guys could back them up....
And the masses cried out, "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0!"
i will be outside holding up a large bucket of cointreau
:wq
From his website:
Martinez-Frias has also published around 130 articles in scientific and technical publications (mainly specialised in Earth Sciences -- Geology, Economic Geology, Mineralium Deposita, Computer and Geoscience, Neues Jahrbuch fur Mineralogy, Geotimes, GeoMarine Letters, Episodes, Geological Magazine, Applied Geochemistry, Journal of Chromatography, AMBIO, Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research, Meteoritics and Planetary Science, etc.), in high profile multidisciplinary publications (Nature), high prestige international books (Springer-Verlag, Geological Society) in popular magazines, (Mundo Cientifico, Fronteras de la Ciencia y la Tecnología) and in the Scientific supplements of national newspapers (ie El Pais, El Mundo, ABC).
Martinez-Frias is the author of the book "Sulfuros y Sulfosales de Metales Nobles" and co-editor of several books, among which are; "Recursos Minerales de España" (CSIC 1478p) (Spanish Mineral Resources), "Geologia y Metalogenia en Ambientes Oceanicos. Depósitos Hidrotermales Submarinos (Geology and Metallogeny of Seafloor Hydrothermal Deposits) (IEO, 162p) and "Esto es Imposible" (Aguilar, 320p).
"Gold still represents the ultimate form of payment in the world." - Alan Greenspan, 1999
You see that msnbc link ? seems innocent huh
when you click it though you are actually sent to msn in order to transfer your cookie from any of msn's domains which includes hotmail (any of the *.msn.com domains) in order to track you personally (if you use hotmail notice hm is actually a subdomain of msn)
so while you click on the story link of
www.msnbc.com/news/814100.asp&0dm=-23ET [msnbc.com]
you are actually sent to here
http://msid.msn.com/mps_id_sharing/redirect.asp?w
why ? so they can steal your hotmail/msn cookie and transfer it to the msnbc domain and track you across any of microsofts domains (hence the msid = microsoft id or guid), this gets round all browser cookie privacy limitations that browser manufacturers (including mozilla/msie/ns) implementation so websites cannot read cookies from other domains and is a blatent privacy breach,
whats happening is msid server is reading your cookie and passing it to the create_p1.asp page via a GET which then creates a new cookie with your old cookie values then finally redirects you to the story complete with transfered cookies contents, clever but not clever enough for those that spot it
of course all this cookie sharing happens in the blink of an eye so the average user doesnt see it (dont believe me look at the 302 redirect headers sent when you click the msnbc link) and has no idea they have actually visited msn.com in order to steal their msn cookie
more information about this exploit can be found here
http://www.pc-help.org/privacy/ms_guid.htm
http://online.securityfocus.com/news/83
i really wish that the
of course if you block msid.msn you cannot access the msnbc site , basically if you wont let msn track you they wont let you in the site
yeah im anon cos who iam doesnt matter
MicroVax.
What about flying into one of these at mach speeds? That could get really nasty, really quick.
And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe. -Revelation 16:21
Pfft. The media talks about how EVERYTHING could be a harbinger of massive climactic change, and furthermore how it's OBVIOUSLY the fault of technology and Western democracy.
I've quit listening to their made-up crap. It's blips of statistical noise overlying a long-term cycle of temperature variations that pre-existed any human life.
Climate change has become grant-grubbing junk science harnessed to the service of failed leftist political ideologies.
Pay no attention to the watermelon wackos. Buy that SUV if you want one and drive on without guilt!
-ccm
Too much Law; not enough Order.
This happened last month in the New York area. Crashed through some woman's house. I read it in the NY Post, featuring pictures of the ice chunk. Check it out.
Since the airlines use some kind of blue dye in their toilets the ice was blue, which I'd imagine prevents me from pissing in a coffee can, freezing it and asking the airlines for money.
I seem to recall the article (sorry, the above link is only a free preview) mentioning that airlines "weren't supposed to do this until they got out over open water" (paraphrasing). As if it was standard operating procedure to eject the holding tanks out in the middle of nowhere in the ocean; who knows, maybe on a 747 doing the Kennedy to Johannesburg route you *have* to eject the crap at some point to avoid overflowing tanks.
Ice blocks keep falling on my head ...
And that prob'ly means concussion soon will make me dead
Stories about weird stuff falling from the sky have been with us for millennia. Charles Fort (1874-1932) devoted his life to collecting newspaper clippings of rains of fungi, formless masses of protoplasm, hatchets, masks, the ceremonial regalia of savages, and stones--with and without inscriptions. One of his accounts, The Book of the Damned is online here. (By "the damned," he means data that science refuses to accept).Written in an almost poetic, tart, prose style, it is very readable. He talks of rains of "Butter and beef and blood and a stone with strange inscriptions upon it." Most of his information was obtained from newspaper accounts.
I'm inclined to take a very skeptical view of any stories about weird stuff falling from the sky. Maybe it's true about the blocks of ice, and maybe Fort's falls of frogs and fishes were true, and maybe other accounts of worms, snails mussels, snakes, turtles, and even a whole calf are true.
But I'd want to see heavier evidence than an MSNBC story.
Anyway, Fort would have loved this one.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Maybe it's "blue ice". Hints: Toilet water in airliners is blue. Airliners flying at 30,000 feet are at a temperature of about -40. Airliners can release this stuff... go figure.
It's not like your neighborhood humpbacks have a portapotty to go to...
Note to all posters:
Please don't correct spelling unless you're fucking literate in the first place. Failure to observe this request will result in you making yourself (and the rest of us, by association) look stupid.
Thank you.
It seems that every news article about weather events these days mentions a possible connection to climate change! Has it occurred to anyone that since there is a lot of money for climate change research, scientists, in response to the inevitable reporter question, will of course say it *might* have something to do with climate change.
It is time for a new fear. Climate change is getting trite!
The only good weather is bad weather.
Ted? Is that you Ted? Damn, I haven't seen you in ages, since what, them days up at the cabin, you fashioning little bombs in wooden boxes and me brewin up some mash and watchin out for them black choppers.
Damn man, how you been?
for the airplane the ice broke off of?
Despite for some reason being marked 0, I do believe this user echos what many of us think. Unless most /.'ers have harder heads than roofs (maybe only the moderators). Reminds me of a line from Harry Potter:
We could be killed, or worse, expelled!
She has *got* to get her priorities straight
I don't know about you, but I don't want lava or any hot substance in my pool.
After all, you would want someone to be dropping Icy BMs on Europe, would you?
Yes, it was used in one of Spider's Calahan stories [Or maybe a Lady Sally one]. It's people like him that cause good pun shortages, and we have to get by on stupid Xanth level stuff. Those kinds of dangerous memes should never be published.
"Dangerous Memes", hmm, I'll suggest that to Keith Henson as a title if he ever writes a book about his experiences with the Co$ merry-go-round. Harlan Ellison wouldn't sue over that, would he? (Okay, he would, but after Co$, who cares!)
You in the back, say it slowly and think of the letters while you're saying it. Sheesh!
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
We're not creating enough CO2!!!
Yeah, it's ITT. "I'm self-employed in a computer detailing service." I've looked through some web pages and none of them offer any clues. I figured /. has the most educated people in computer professions, and so could tell me what this is. Afaict, everyone's just as clueless. "Shine your computer, sir?" I forget who said that, but I think I'll update my sig with that.
Danish != nationality
6 mi * 1600 m/mi = 9600 m
Kinetic Energy = Potential Energy, so 0.5*m*v^2 = m*g*h, and the m's cancel, and then we solve for v:
v=sqrt(2*g*h)
h=9600m, g=approx. 9.5 m/s^2 at that height.
Therefore, the ice will hit the ground at about 430 m/s, almost the speed of sound!
I'm the Devil the Windows users warned you about.
Fuck, that's funny! I think I bust my gut laughing at that! "Jesus" could mean either one!! I'm sure that researcher Jesus guy has never heard a Jesus joke in his life. I hope he read that original joke; I think I'll email it to him just in case!
PS: have you heard of something called "dry wit"? As in, "perhaps that guy doing that straight-laced Jesus correction was actually just mocking the original poster's flat-as-piss-on-a-plate joke?"
It all started with the fucking moon landings !!!
It's over... its all over !!!!
Hey scientists,
The cause is Guardian forces - idiots!
It's just as bad in Florida. You'd think with the amount it rains here people would know how to drive with water falling from the sky...
By "It's started" do you mean the "end times" as you intrepret in the bible, or some new wave of fundamentalist teaching?
Would it interest you as much if the passage you found was from old greek myth, or Native American pagan stories?
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
The above opinion has been created without basis or research into the referenced articles.
Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
> Either way, I'd prefer to not have one of these things smack into my house.
I'm sure your parents would be disappointed too, but you should be safe in the basement.
we're not scaremongering
this is really happening
ice blocks falling from the sky are a liberal plot! anyone who believes this is a commie mutant liberal traitor
Having lived in both LA and Florida, the drivers in LA in the rain are a lot worse. I knew this place had a different view of rain when during the first year after arriving here (from southern Louisiana in '88) after a small rain, there was a front page headline on the LA Times (the biggest LA paper) the next day that read "Rain in the Southland".
Okay....
YHL HAND
(see his post history)
Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
"Martinez-Frias said only around a fifth of the ice meteors are ever found."
Ermm... how do they count what they haven't seen?
"Martinez-Frias suggests that because global warming involves one level of the atmosphere getting colder while another gets hotter, some ice clouds now remain longer."
Logic dictates that if global warming causes one level to get colder while another gets warmer, that global cooling would cause one level to get warmer while another gets colder. Am I repeating myself? And besides, this is a suggestion, not a formulated hypothesis based on evidence. At least not yet.
Scientific fact is that water vapor and carbon dioxide are the most abundant greenhouse gas. As our combustible-fuel appliances become more efficient, there are less hydrocarbon emissions and more H20 and C02 emitted; the net effect on greenhouse gases is the same. Besides, it has been argued that a single volcanic eruption has a far greater effect (neg or pos, you decide) on the atmosphere than the entire history of mankind burning stuff.
One more thing: there's no such thing az a ZEV (Zero-Emission-Vehicle). Electric is displaced emissions -- unless your power is hydro (and "we all know how bad that is for the fishies"). The manufacture of solar cells and batteries/fuel cells require the use -- and disposal -- of tons of toxic chemicals. Nuke also involves toxic waste (nevermind it's the cleanest and safest form of electricity, it's gotten a bad rap by the actions of irresponsible people).
To say that man (woman too!!) is causing global warming is a crock. If we all went back to eating wooly mammoth cooked over teradactyl dung, I don't think we'd notice any difference in the rate of global climate change.
Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
Onnnnn aaaaaa Cleeeeear Daaaaay, Riiise and look around yoooou! And yoooou'll seee... ::bonk::
Since when did the side menu in MSNBC work in Mozilla? I thought it only worked on IE...
What's next, penguins raining down on Redmond?
Table-ized A.I.
Is chicken little going to become a
Since we are dusting off the 1970's shoes styles, we might as well pull out the good old fashioned scare mongering too.
For those who have not seen a good example of history repeating itself, sit back and watch the 70's replay themselves. But I must warn you, the stories have to get much more spectacular before the trend comes to a close.
The whole scene can be put into perspective if you view it from a great distance. This should be fodder for some great flame wars on motives.
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
Hey Bud, we forgot the ice for this kegger party.
No problem, Joe, I'll be right b....
SPLAT!
Damn your good, Bud! Bud? Were'd ya go?
Table-ized A.I.
But if one hits your property, you should immediately note the time and location, put the biggest chunk in a baggie, and stick it in your freezer for proof.
My wife would absolutely kill me if I put frozen passenger turd in our freezer, regardless of container. Big no no. Whoever wrote that must be single.
Table-ized A.I.
The weather is always like that; they predict 50-60, and you only get 22. And the people who have to shovel it still swear about it.
Bleh, I just delete their cookies.
:]
Or you can have fun & enter crap into them, instead.
I wonder what they'd think if the web server met someone with the MS GUID "TuX 0wnz j00@!#!@"?
"I'm not worried that a block of ice might fall on your head," said Martinez-Frias, "but that one might fall on mine."
ok, he didn't say the last part, but I'm sure that's what he was thinking.
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All right!
One more excuse for showing late to work!
"I'm sorry boss, but the ice balls shower was specially heavy this morning"
Slashdot: Where the sig outsmarts the comment
..."massive catastrophic climate chage", either freezing or burning, has been due for more than 20 years now. The burning kuwati oil wells after the first Gulf War were supposed to cause Nuclear Winter. Cow flatulence was supposed to bring back the Jurrasic.
Here you could have legitimately said, "The SKY is FALLING!". But no. Had to trot out the same old crap...
The ice is really falling off of a new US military stealth aircraft that uses UFO technology! Unknown Freezing Objects.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Yes, you're a prejudiced bigot. Congratulations. You know it all, he knows nothing. ...and to think assholes like you claim to keep an open mind...
Anyone know the latitude longitude coordinates for the RIAA? I would like to (cough) conduct an experiment with ice forming clouds :)
When it was announced that Mir was going to crash into the Pacific Ocean during a certain month period, Taco Bell as a publicity stunt put up a bunch of floating markers all over the Pacific and said that if Mir landed on one of them, they would give everyone in America a free taco. I guess "teslatug" still wants his free taco...
Thanks Spider.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
Where do you think your spent Mountain Dew goes on those long flights?
the sky is falling!
What if a small ice meteor flew through the atmosphere on a humid but clear day (water doesn't have anything to condense on), and just picked up lots of pieces of water on the way, which all instantly froze seeing how the ice meteor was phenominally cold from just being in space. Ice built up around it, making it bigger.
Much more likely, it was just that size to begin with when it fell out of space.
Or wait a second: Doesn't the shuttle burn hydrogen and oxygen? Doesn't that make water? Wouldn't water vapor in space freeze?
And wouldn't it all come back together for no real reason after being shot apart at a phenominal speed out of a rocket?
Ok, I've read that the terminal velocity of a man falling is somewhere around 120mph. Since I never see the weight of these falling people mentioned, lets say he weighs around... 180 lbs sound good? Maybe 200 for kicks and grins. So lets divide 120 by 200 ... That's approximately .6 mph per pound. It's looking like (if my busted math is correct) that it'd take a sustained updraft of at least 13.2 mph to keep the thing aloft (keeping in mind it doesn't start out at 22 lbs), probably more given the density of a 22 lb block of ice. I'll cheat and say 20-25mph to keep it aloft. if I were just looking at the numbers I'd say it could work, but then you have to figure in crap like stability of the airmass, how long a 20 mph updraft can be sustained while the thing froze, ambient temperature, etc, etc... It seems pretty damn unlikely conditions would stay stable long enough for it to form. But then, I'm far from a meteorologist... I could see the ice parachute thing, but the conditions required to form such a delicate structure... Yeesh...
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What have ice-blocks to do with climate change? nothing, because this is not a new phenomenon. ice blocks keep falling down for years... even way back.
The surface area of the earth is 5*10^14 square meters. Assume that 1 square meter is occupied by each of the 6 billion humans on the planet.
This means that every time a massive chunk of ice hurtles randomly from the sky, the chance that it will actually hit someone is about 0.000001, even if the unlucky bastard happens to live in Spain.
Further assume that a huge chunk of ice falling from clear skies, for no apparent reason, is a pretty rare phenomenon. So rare, in fact, that it has never before been documented.
Imagine witnessing, on a sunny day in the park, an oblivious bystander being splattered by a boulder of ice that plummeted five miles down from nowhere. You wouldn't dismiss it as a "random event". Hardened atheists would be fumbling for their rosary beads.
(For everyone outside of the US).
Next time, could you please remember that there are still people out there using the metric system!
But 10 kg is a really large block of ice. When melted it would give a litle bit less then 10 liters (2 gallons) of water. If it would fall into your house you would not only have a hole in the roof, but also a flood!
You think we could get a rocket up there, grab them and send them to the sahara?
Well Buster, I'm not so worried about YOUR head either!
"It's very easy to tell real and false ice blocks apart."
False ice? I have heard of people forging money, IDs, painting and even dog poop (for their percieved entertainment value, not their nutritional value) but this has got to take the fake cake. Fake ice? Does he mean one of those clear plastic ice cubes with a fly inside you dropped into the lemonade glasses of your friends when you were a kid?
"Glad you came professor, we need to know if it's real ice or just an imposter."
"This *holds it up to the light* is a block of fake ice."
"Ohh, but Professor, how can you tell?
"It has a fake fly in it!"
Money for nothing, pix for free
...that block of blue ice had landed in the toilet. Now that would have been some aim.
I remember reading a while ago that, if the toilet drain point leaks, you can get toilet waste building up behind the hatch. This then freezes, expands, and pushes the hatch off. When the aircraft descends into warmer air, and the ice starts to melt, there's no hatch to keep it in place and gravity kicks in.
Now, *really* rotten luck is to stow away in the undercarriage, fall out at the other end when the wheels come down, land in a haystack... and have a lump of blue ice land on top of you.
Perhaps someone has an Intercontinental Ballistic Catapult. I was reading about them in the 1123 issue of Jane's.
--- Jason Olshefsky
Karma: Poser (mostly affected by adding this line long after everyone else did)
Another tired reference to Global Warming. Check out this article at from the AP stating that the Ozone hole is actually "Shrinking". What are they going to do if they can't point to the ozone hole as the cause of all the worlds problems? http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-10-01-0092. html
I seem to recall aircraft dropping their sweage as big frozen blocks. Make sure you dont get them mixed up, because otherwise its gonna get real messy hehe...
Danny.
I have written over 900 book reviews
UFOs.
Ming the Merciless sending fire and brimstone on the earth.. sitting back and watching it all.. Klytus says, laughingly, "Most effective, your majesty! Shall we destroy this.. Earth?"
Ming the Merciless (played by Max Von Sydow) comments "Later.. I like to play with things a while".
I guess someone out there has us in the palm of his/her/its hand?
Ok, too much sci-fi for me this morning. back to work..
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
I think that it is a simpler explanation and thus MORE likely that this is just a bunch of kids who are testing a trebuchet.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Don't they get sick of using the same template?
Wha da ya mean? it beats thinking about it!
Your odds of winning the lottery are probably about the same as being hit on the ground by one of these babies...
"I figure you're here 'cause you need some whacko who's willing to stick his finger in the fan. So who are we helping?
Didn't anyone see the part that said that the ice had Iberian isotopes in it? everyone knows that isotopes are part of nucular bombs. it's obvious that this stuff is coming from iberian terrorists and that they already have the ability to make atomic weapons of mass destruction, because there wouldn't be isotopes in their rain if they didn't. this must be some kind of small test of a deadly terrorist ice weapon. i'm no geology expert, so i don't know exactly where iberia is, but it must be in the middle east near indonesia, because they are terrorists. we shouldn't be worried about iraq when we don't have any evidence of there nucular weapons when we already know the iberians have isotopes. we should invade them right now and kill them all unless they accept jesus christ as their lord and savior, or else someone is going to get killed by the dirty ice chunks they are dropping everywhere. we can worry about saddam later, if we find out he has isotopes too.
Perhaps it is time to refresh our memories of Lemuria, the Pacific OCean's version of Atlantis. Their legends tell of a sheet of ice hanging in the sky... http://www.lemuria.net/thefirmament.html
Climate change? Open your eyes! Ming the Merciless is coming to invade the Earth. Only Armadillo Aerospace can save us from utter destruction...
If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets
According to this article, "Components of the atmosphere, like ozone and water, are changing in different levels of the atmosphere." According to Martinez-Frias, these changes are BAD
However, did you know that the change taking place is not what you thought??? The ozone hole is actually getting SMALLER!!!
So we hear for 10-20 years that we are ruining the environment, damaging the ozone layer, and that this damage is irreparable (OK, so it takes a long time...but I don't want to wait 50 years). However, come to find out that it is reparable. I'm going back to using AquaNet!
But that's not enough for those environmentalists out there...they need to have something to whine about. Since they can't complain that the ozone is getting bigger, they'll say that "changes" (they won't specify for the better or for the worse) are causing the "sky to fall!"
The only thing that this teaches me is to never trust an evironmentalist. Not only was the "irreparable" ozone hole, in fact, reparable, it is BAD to fix it...it causes ice to fall out of the sky.
Now, I don't know much about weather or the environment, and I don't doubt that changes in the environment are causing some weird things to happen, but I do know that some really freaky stuff has happened in the past, and will probably continue to happen in the future.
Just stop complaining about it!!! :)
in large 22lb ice chunks into your living room. my fair lady never saw it coming...
A few years ago a large block of ice fell not far away from where I'm living. It made some headlines and it was even shown on TV. Several analysis were made to study the origin of this thing. Well the main startling thing was that this big boulder had an unusual high level of titanium, so most speculated that this came from some rocket booster. Meanwhile many noted that this could be barely the fact as our region is not in the direct lift-off trajectory of any base. There was never a final conclusion, so this piece of ice is a small mistery of the skies.
As far as I have seen on TV the boulder looks is a ice with a blue tone, with a volume nearly to 3 cubic meters. However, some earlier news claimed that the original boulder was no less than 500 cubic meters.
Climactic is to do with orgasms.
I'm especially fascinated by this bit:
"Three others were found later, bringing the world total over the last decade to more than 50. But Martinez- Frias said only around a fifth of the ice meteors are ever found."
How exactly does he count the 200 or so ice meteors that no one found?
Okay, it's a little off-topic, but I have to take issue with this statement:
Solar can be clean when converted to electricity by means of a solar array used to heat water for a steam turbine (or other similar configuration). Alternatively, geo-thermal energy is, AFAIK clean, although I would grant you that there are potential negative side-effects there that we don't fully understand (similar to the effect of hydroelectric generation on fish). In any case, there is such a thing as clean electricity, it's just not that efficient or readily available in most populated areas.
-"Zow"
That's it, I'm not leaving the apartment for a while.
OK, I only won 10 bucks, so I suppose the ice blocks won't be much larger than tennis balls. Yay.
Leveling up builds character.
There's a web site at http://www.forteantimes.com . They publish a magazine with all kinds of goodies.
It did, however, prime me for the work of one Charles Fort, to which I direct your attention. If it's anywhere, the biggest record of such anomalies is probably there - http://www.forteantimes.com
I bought this house and you know I'm boss
Ain't no h'aint gonna run me off
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Truly a worthy idea! Somebody should toss a project up on sourceforge to do just that! (and figure out how to hack cookies so I can get my camel pr0n for free!)
Several have shown up on Florida ballots, but the frozen alien turd electorate hasn't coalesced as well as the candidates. The Democratic party has filed a protest in behalf of the lumps, claiming fraud and abuse.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Everybody knows what a tree looks like!
sheesh!
two straight days of articles bemoaning the fact that "global warming" is causing an ice age in the next 10 years and ice blocks to rain in Spain today.
Since wtf did WARMING cause all sorts of problems with ice? Maybe it would be better called "global warming leading into a sudden ice age?"
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
...of the coming invasion of the penguins.....
--
As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.
BTW, I'm an atheist, so Act of God isn't fitting for me either. Perhaps for you it could be considered karmic consequences. However, as another poster noted "shit happens."
because I just realized... Neither do I!
He was the first eviromentalist tree-hugger. after hugging all those trees, when he had to guess what they might look like, and saw people, his brain said to him- "Hey, that about the shape trees felt like."
cubic zirconia
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The check will buy her a new fridge, contents, and a kitchen addition to put it in. rj
We had problems with crop circles until the yeti that was making them got hit on the head with a 22 pound block of ice from outer space. ...
The truth is out there.
You'd better beat it. You can leave in a taxi. If you can't get a taxi, you
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