World's First Tree-sitting Weblog

One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:09 · Score: -1, Flamebait

A bunch of dirty hippies wasting electricity as they camp out up in some tree isn't helping the environment one bit.

Re:One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:10 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Sir, I believe it's safe to say that you have won the Slashdot game. Congratulations. Truly an American icon.
Re:One problem, though... by Jason+Earl · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: 2

If these people dislike logging so much why don't they simply wait until the fire season and start playing with matches.
Re:One problem, though... by dirvish · 2002-12-13 03:17 · Score: 1

I doubt they have an extension cord running through the forest to their tree. They must go through a lot of batteries.

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Re:One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Wow, how quickly a post goes from 4 Insightful to 0 Flamebait. It appears that someone has an itchy modding finger.
Re:One problem, though... by TheEnglishPatient · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 1

It was 1 Funny when I saw it. Guess it takes all kinds
Re:One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:21 · Score: 0

YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Re:One problem, though... by YeOldeGnurd · 2002-12-13 03:22 · Score: 2

Awareness helps the environment.
It's perfectly reasonable to question how many people will ever read these blogs (aside from those who are already fully on board the movement). It may be preaching to the choir, but it could also be used as an effective alert system to get "the choir" quickly to the site of illegal action.

I'm sure their will also be a couple members of the more mainstream alternative media (folks like Willamette Week, or even Harper's) who will spread some of the better stuff to the general public.

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Re:One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:24 · Score: -1, Offtopic

As the grandparent poster, I tell you that the previous AC to reply to you is on crack. That's no troll, merely an honest observation.
Re:One problem, though... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:31 · Score: 0

How the fuck do you think the batteries get charged up you stupid bastard?
Re:One problem, though... by MarkusH · 2002-12-13 03:42 · Score: 5, Funny

If these people dislike logging so much why don't they simply wait until the fire season and start playing with matches.

You don't know how hard I had to resist moderating that as flamebait.
Re:One problem, though... by Jason+Earl · 2002-12-13 04:39 · Score: 2

LOL, Bravo!

Sounds really interesting by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:10 · Score: -1, Flamebait

I imagine there are lots of exciting things going on IN THE MIDDLE OF A FREAKING FOREST that would make these guys 'blogs really intresting.

Re:Sounds really interesting by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:24 · Score: 4, Funny

Dear Diary:

Had a grand ol time at Pooh Bear and Tiggers pajama party last evening. Things really rocked when the Country Bears stopped by and busted out some tunes. Ol Smokey really put a damper on things at the end though with the whole "only you can prevent forest fires" blog.

Heard about Bambi's mom. Real bummer, Grizzly Adams was really bent out of shape about it, going on and on about the damn recreational hunters.

And a tree fell yesterday. It didn't know I was watching, it made no noise.

Ummmm.. Contradiction by AriesGeek · 2002-12-13 03:10 · Score: 1, Troll

I thought people like that were anti-technology. I guess they're afraid of burning fossil fules or something, I don't know. But why would they want Internet access if they don't like technology?

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In Soviet Russia: +1, With Love by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:11 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Trees sit on activists.

Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:11 · Score: -1

How stupid is tree sitting? These clueless idiots don't realize that trees are a plant and you can grow more? You never hear about anyone getting all hopped up over someone chopping down a sunflower for the flower store.

Next thing you know, they will be picketing beavers...

Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: -1, Troll

PELT HANDLlNG FOR PROFlT

BEAVER PELT HANDLING

Nick Anderson Agent

REMOVlNG BEAVERS FROM TRAPS

Beaver should be removed from traps carefully, so not to damage the pelt. When trapping in winter, extra care must be taken. Remove the beaver from the trap as soon as it is out of the water, so it does not freeze to the metal. Be especially cautious where the water is shallow and the fur may have frozen to the ice. If the beaver should become frozen in the trap, allow it to
thaw before attempting removal. Never put a wet animal on or against anything to which it might freeze.

If the fur is dirty, wash the beaver in water. In winter, rub the animal in loose snow to clean and dry it. The snow will absorb extra moisture so that the fur does not freeze. Next, it is best to place the beaver in a burlap or feed type bag. This will prevent it from freezing to your truck or the type of equipment you are using.

SKlNNlNG THE BEAVER

Skinning the "open" pelt is much different than skinning the "cased" pelt. By this method, the animal is laid on its back on a clean place. With the beaver, the feet and tail are first cut off.

Cutting these parts from the beaver is not difficult but there is an easy way. On the tail at the first fringe of fur, there is a flat joint. This joint is about 1/4 inch into the fringe of fur. A little practice will make this joint easy to find and the tail can be cut off with one slice of the knife across the flat joint. Very close to the fringe of fur above the feet on the front legs is another joint. This joint can be felt with the finger and thumb and one cut across the joint with a sharp knife will sever the foot.

To cut off the hind foot, first, bend the foot forward towards the belly of the beaver, bending it fully forward at the heel. With the foot held this way, cut across the cords at the back of the foot and keep cutting all around the foot with it still bent forward. A snap sideways after this cut is finished will usually break the foot free from the leg.

The next step is to slit the pelt from the chin to the tail on the belly side and in a straight line (see Figure I). The pelt is then skinned back one side at a time to the back. When the legs are reached, do not slit them open but pull them through, pulling the hide off the way you would take off a sock. Be careful with the skinning knife around the leg because the skin is easily cut in these tender places. Skin carefully the head. Cut the ear off close to the skull. Skin around the eyes and nose and the pelt is free from the carcass.

Beaver castors, on both male and female, are found on each side and just forward of the vent. These should be removed carefully with a knife or pulled free with the thumb and finger so the sacks are not broken, which would let the oil run out. They should be tied at the cords and hung until dry. The more care used in removing and drying, the more castors are worth. They are used in making scents and perfumes.

THE DRYlNG BOARD

The drying boards are made from a single sheet of 4'x8'x3/4" plywood. Cut the sheet into three pieces measuring 32"x48". The drying board should be marked as shown. This is done on both sides of the board, giving you six stretching surfaces from one sheet of plywood.

The pattern template are available at no cost at Fur Harvesters Auction. Choose the line appropriate to the length of the pelt, and falten the head and tail to the drying board with the fur side down. The nails which are used to attach the pelt should extend at least I" above the pelt so that when the nailing of the pelt is complete, it can be raised off the board. This allows the air to circulate between the fur and the board (2" common nails work well). Place one nail behind the nose and one at the tail, and one at the mid-length on each side of the pelt.

IMPORTANT: The lines on the board should only be used as a guide to give you a consistent uniform shape. Using a tape measure, measure from the nail at the nose to the tail. Add this to the width measurement. The sum of the two will give you your GREEN size. Refer to size chart:

SlZlNG OVAL SHAPE O XXXL I XXL 2 XL 3 LGE 4 LM 5 MED 6 SMALL 7 CUB
70" & over 65"to 70" 60" to 65" 55" to 60" 51" to 55" 47" to 51" 42" to 47" Under 42"

This is where the trapper makes or loses money depending on how he or she boards the pelt. Always board the pelt 2" to 3" above the size tariff suited to the size of the pelt. The skin boarded at 61" GREEN, if it can be boarded 2" larger and still remain loose on the board would remain in the XL category. Two beaver of exactly the same quality when boarded differently can easily sell for a $5 - $10 difference.

Always remember a freshly boarded beaver will almost always shrink 2 to 3 inches during the drying process. Both pelts will fall into the large category but the grade of the two could be guite different. An example of this based on December 1995' sale would be as follows:

SHEARABLE GRADES:Size 3 (LGE) lPTll B $40.00
Size 3 (LGE) I&II HVY B $34.00
Size 3 (LGE) I-II SEMI B $24.00

NON-SHEARABLE GRADES: Size 3 (LGE) I-II FLAT B $17.00

The 56 inch beaver will have a far better chance of falling into one of the shearable grades as would the one at 59 inches, By boarding your beaver pelt pro trapper will be getting the best quality grade possible.

YOU WILL RECEIVE FAR MORE SHEARABLE GRADES BY BOARDING YOUR BEAVER LOOSELY THAN, THE PERSON WHO STRETCHES IT TIGHT: HE MAY GAIN IN SIZE, BUT THE MARKET IS DEMANDING A SHEARABLE PRODUCT:

Once you have determined your size, continue to nail the top half of the pelt to the board. Space the nails about 3/4" apart. When the top half is completed, continue to place nails at the same intervals along the bottom half of the pelt, until it has an even sided shape that follows the pattern on the board. This will help prevent over stretching which reduces the density of the fur and lessens its value.

The leg holes should not be left open because they give the pelt a rough appearance. It is preferred to sew the leg holes, but nailing them closed is also acceptable. After the leg holes have been closed, wash the leather lightly with water and rome paper towel or cloth. This will remove blood stains and light grease. The leather will take on a creamy whitish appearance. Next, lift the pelt up off the nails so the air can circulate under the skin.

Many trappers who use boards prefer to do the fleshing after the pelt has been tacked to the board! This should be done before the leg holes are closed.

DRYING

It is best to dry beaver pelts slowly. Temperatures of 55F-65F are desirable. Never put drying pelts near stoves or expose
them to hot sunlight. As the pelt dries, wipe the leather from time to time with a clean cloth. this removes any grease which may run from the leather.

MARKETlNG THE BEAVER

Over the years, more black spots have been showing up on the beaver. These marks are most often old scars. Old scars that are hard and brittle must be classified as slight damage. The reason for that is when they go into the tanning fluid, it will not penetrate the hard scars and when the knife used to thin the leather hits these scars, the pelt can be damaged.

1. I PT IIA
SELECT SHEARABLE 14, GOOD SLT DGD B
SHEARABLE SLT CUTS, SCARS
2. I PT IIB I5. GOOD SLT DGD C
3. I PT IIC 16. REG SLT DGD A
NON-SHEARABLE SLT CUTS, SCARS
4. I-II HVY A 17. REG SLT DGD B
5. I-II HVY 8 18. REG SLT DGD C
6. I-II HVY C
SHEARABLE 19. I-ll RED RUMP B VERY FLAT, TAKEN
7. I-II SEMI A 20. I-ll RED RUMP C
VERY EARLY, BLUE LEATHER
8. I-II SEMI B 21. GOOD II'S B
9. I-II SEMI C 22. GOOD II'C
10. II-II FLAT A
NON-SHEARABLE 23. GOOD DAMAGED CUTS, BlTES 30% PELT DGD
11. I -II FLAT B 24. III'S & IV'S UNPRlME OR SICK
12. I-II FLAT C 25.
BDLY DGD MANY CUTS OR HOLES OVER 30% DGD
13. GOOD SLT DGD A SHEARABLE SLT CUTS, SCARS

There are very few select pelts. A grade pattern is established primarily because all the pelts are inter sorted. If you
have a pelt worth $50 you would not expect it to be put with pelts worth $40, as the maximum you would realize
would be $40. This is what necessitates fine grading.

PRlMENESS IN BEAVER

The underfur of the beaver is almost absent in the summer. However, towards fall, these hairs start to grow. The last place on the animal where they finish growing is the back of the neck. In the fall, they are quite short. However a full prime skin will have hair on the back of the neck, approximately 3/4" long. This is why when grading, the back of the neck is felt. The amount of resistance the hand feels in rubbing the beaver against the grain of the fur, indicates the density of the underfur. When it is very flat, it is called a II or III. As it comes into prime, the hair thickens and it can be classified as I PT II or I-II, depending on how thick the fur grows. Once the full length of the hair has been reached, the fur and pelt start to become over-prime. The beaver, because of its long stay in the house and sour feed source, has been using its body fat to produce fur and keep warm. As this progresses, the underfur starts to turn "off" color or reddish. This occurs in a spring beaver and is referred to as red rump. It starts at the tail and progresses up the flank, rendering the beaver useless for plucking and shearing, because the red stain goes below the 12mm level. This is the reason fall beaver pelts are much more desirable than spring pelts.

If your beaver pelts are sent to Fur Harvesters Auction and they are consistently graded I-II HVY, I-II SEMI on your returns, your handling is satisfactory.

Not satisfied! Ask... at a trapper education course or at our annual convention. Ask someone you know who does a top job and they will be glad to share their knowledge. Time, practice and interest make the finest fur handlers.

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Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: 1

Hey, as long as their not on welfare they can sit in a friggin' log for all I care. What I would like to know is where they got the platform that she is sitting on. I assume it is made out of wood. Reminds me of the guy who broke a window at a fur coat store in Manhattan. The news anchor was making fun of him because he was wearing a leather jacket and leather shoes.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: 0

Oops. Sorry you got modded down because your post was not politically correct. Remember, slashdot is like most universities. Free speech is ok as long as you don't hurt somebody's feelings.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by Cpt_Corelli · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: 5, Insightful

How stupid is tree sitting? These clueless idiots don't realize that trees are a plant and you can grow more?

They are not as clueless as you are, that's for sure. Chopping down a large part of a forest will destroy the habitat for animals and other species living there, some of which may be very rare.

If you would have read their weblog you would have known more about why they are protesting.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:30 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Oh my god, can you suck a little more cock? +3 Insightful?!
Re:Pray for High Winds... by 2names · 2002-12-13 03:44 · Score: 1

99% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are extinct. Species become rare because they are unable to adapt to changes in their environment. If they can't adapt to the changes (even changes made by man) they die.
I bet you wouldn't hear one single tree-hugger crying if all the mosquitoes in the world suddenly vanished.
Just one question, though: Where do the tree-huggers live when they aren't up a tree? Do they live in special "wood-free" houses?

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Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:53 · Score: 0

I think everyone would be pretty upset if all the mosquitos were wiped out. They serve an important role, like 'em or not.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:13 · Score: 0

Good reasoning.

That's why we shouldn't care about exctincting other species when an oil container crashes in the ocean near the shore.

Or about any 'nearly extinct' animals hunters.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by mangu · 2002-12-13 04:31 · Score: 2

99% of all species that have ever lived on this planet are extinct.

Can't we add loggers, lumberjacks, and similar extractivist workers to this extinct species list? If they are unable to adapt to the new environment-conscious society that has evolved in the last few decades they should die.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by jj_johny · 2002-12-13 04:32 · Score: 1

They are not as clueless as you are, that's for sure. Chopping down a large part of a forest will destroy the habitat for animals and other species living there, some of which may be very rare.
As for rare food, I like sushi but woodland creature should be well cooked. After all they have been running around a germ infested forest for god knows how long.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by tych0 · 2002-12-13 04:42 · Score: 1

Chopping down a large part of a forest will destroy the habitat for animals and other species living there, some of which may be very rare.
Redwood forests are, if I remember correctly, post-climax ecosystems, which mean that they have less biodiversity than a forest that is between 5 and 20 years old. When a forest is logged, it opens spaces where new growth (read: stuff that animals eat). I am not advocating cutting down all of the redwoods, but selective logging (leaving the healthiest trees to reseed the area) will certainly increase the health of the local ecosystem in the long run.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by rogerz · 2002-12-13 06:09 · Score: 1

Thank you for expressing so clearly the essence of the environmentalist credo: Humans right have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc.

At that point, the conversation ends.

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Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 06:55 · Score: 0

> Humans rights have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 07:00 · Score: 0

[WTF?]
> Humans rights have no more moral import than the "rights" of non-human animals, plants, bacteria, etc Actually Human Rights have LESS moral import. There are billions more of us and we're showing no signs slowed growth. We are far from endangered, we breed like flies, and we DEPEND on all that so called non-human stuff to survive. The idea of conquering nature is a self defeating one.
Re:Pray for High Winds... by ONOIML8 · 2002-12-13 07:48 · Score: 2

First let me honestly hope that you are referring to those as professions and not people. Maybe not, most environmentalists tend to be violent people in my experience.

Now let's look at why loggers, lumber mills, and paper mills exist. Think about this for a minute. I don't know what society you are a part of but mine demands wood and paper products.

Look around you. Very carefully look around you. Are you, someone who is a part of "the new enviroment-conscious society" creating a demand for wood products?

Unless you can tell me for certain that you do not, in any way, shape, or form, use or depend upon anything wood based......well, I don't want to hear you complain about people who work DAMN HARD to satisify YOUR DEMANDS for wood products.

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Re:Pray for High Winds... by ElectricRook · 2002-12-13 17:40 · Score: 1

Can't we add loggers, lumberjacks, and similar extractivist workers to this extinct species list?

If you look closer, those are just different populations of humans. There are many trying to exterminate the humans. One culture at a time.

You can't destroy the humans all at once. Just section off the small fringe cultures out side of the centralized conciousness. Keep taking out the small groups on the outside. The core will starve with out them.

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Anybody Know where Frankie Tomato's is? by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:12 · Score: -1, Offtopic

How far is it north of Woodbine and Steeles?

Re:Anybody Know where Frankie Tomato's is? by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Not that far. I think it's after John St. It's south of the Japanese restaurant.
Re:Anybody Know where Frankie Tomato's is? by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:23 · Score: -1, Offtopic

After John St., thanks.

I know it's on the east side has a leaning tower of Pisa.

I'd watch out by unterderbrucke · 2002-12-13 03:13 · Score: 5, Funny

Only terrorists use 802.11!

Re:I'd watch out by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:32 · Score: 0

Tree spikers SHOULD be considered terrorists.
Re:I'd watch out by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:40 · Score: 0

They are. I'd say that loggers are afraid of the spikes for risk of injury/death. Anyone that causes that kind of fear is by definition, a terrorist.
Re:I'd watch out by porkface · 2002-12-13 05:35 · Score: 1

Does anyone know of any good, existing CafePress type T-shirts with this "Only Terrorists Use 802.11" slogan? I feel compelled to wear this.

I find it strange by teamhasnoi · 2002-12-13 03:13 · Score: 5, Funny

that the loggers use Dells and all the tree sitters use Macs. What could that mean? I'll check back in 24.

Re:I find it strange by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:48 · Score: -1

Wouldn't you feel gay if you had a tree up your ass?
Re:I find it strange by chrysrobyn · 2002-12-13 04:12 · Score: 2

that the loggers use Dells and all the tree sitters use Macs. What could that mean? I'll check back in 24.

For those who don't catch this, there was an American TV show last season called "24". It had a few gimmicks to it, but one interesting thing was that all the bad guys used Dells and all the good guys used Macs. There was one apparent exception to this rule, a "good guy" who used a Dell, but she turned out to be a double agent working on "Dell side".

Yes, "24" is on the air again this season, but I don't think they have stuck with this apparent giveaway, so it's "last season" for the purposes of this joke.
Re:I find it strange by Xaoswolf · 2002-12-13 04:17 · Score: 2

I guess it means that if you are dumb enough to sit in a tree when there are a bunch of angry chainsaw weilding lumberjacks waiting below, then Macs are good enough for you...

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Re:I find it strange by r1ckt3r · 2002-12-13 04:44 · Score: 1

Well, according to the blog, she is using Debian.
Re:I find it strange by SEWilco · 2002-12-13 05:39 · Score: 1

Aha.. so it was the "light PCs" versus the "black PCs".
Re:I find it strange by Cyno · 2002-12-13 07:37 · Score: 2

Nah, you just need that titanium case to protect your weblog when they cut you down.
Re:I find it strange by crumley · 2002-12-13 07:42 · Score: 1

Which doesn't really answer whether she has a PC or a Mac.

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Re:I find it strange by gampid · 2002-12-13 12:28 · Score: 1

It's a toshiba 100mhz satelite notebook with a lucent orinoco card.

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Re:I find it strange by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-14 02:39 · Score: 0

Aha.. man...I hate these stupid fucks that sit in trees. They should shut the fuck up and die. Furthermore, they should realize that they're hypocritical assholes without genitalia. These motherfuckers complain about abuses of the environment while at the same time using computer hardware - polluting landfills worldwide. These sons of bitches need to suck my balls. And SEWilco, I think you're in league with them. I think you blow them as you blow all homosexual males. You see, my set of axioms include the following: SEWilco engages in oral and anal sex with all gay males on the planet Earth. From this it is easy to see that anyone promoting the rights of fucking trees [they're trees for Christ's sake!] is homosexual and thus you blow them. There, suck it.

Just think... by dirvish · 2002-12-13 03:13 · Score: 0, Redundant

Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of trees with hippies in them? Wow!

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Wrong. by BigChigger · 2002-12-13 03:13 · Score: 1, Insightful

Where does the power for this technology come from? Does it use any plastic (oil)? Any metal (mining)? Any manuals included (wood)?

Hypocrites.

BC

Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: 2, Insightful

So you expect people who believe in working for a better world to renounce ALL technology? and if they dont their hypocrites?

The kind of changes their trying to make arent gonna be affected by them buying a laptop with manuals and using electricity from non-green sources - they are trying to change everyones opinion
One person changing does fk all - you have to get hundreds or thousands to change

If them making small sacrifices in how they follow their beliefs so that they can get the msg out in a better way, who are you to judge them as hypocrites?
Re:Wrong. by magarity · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 2

Any metal (mining)?

And not just any metal; copper smelting is about the nastiest of all industrial processes.
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: 0

I think you mean Hippie-crites.

Thank you, I'll be here all week!
Re:Wrong. by NineNine · 2002-12-13 03:23 · Score: 2

And that's not to mention the nasty heavy metals used in circuit board manufacture. And of course, I hope that none of them are using CRT's. Lots of lead.

I don't understand why these people aren't just lead away in handcuffs. They're tresspassing. If anybody did that on my property, they'd be looking down the barrel of a gun, and they'd come down out of that damn tree, one way or another.
Re:Wrong. by bluprint · 2002-12-13 03:27 · Score: 1

But these activists are trying to save trees...not prevent mining. Sheesh, get it straight.

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Re:Wrong. by SN74S181 · 2002-12-13 03:40 · Score: 1

One meaningful gesture would be to strip off about a 12 inch band of bark all the way around any tree that has a 'treesitter' in it.

That immediately kills the tree. They can sit in it for weeks after that and it's not gonna survive.
Re:Wrong. by teamhasnoi · 2002-12-13 03:41 · Score: 2

I have been working on a computer that consists only of rocks, grass, live insects (unharmed) and air. I have managed to get a web server running on it. Please be careful, don't wreck the enviroment!
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:42 · Score: 0

Since when has a laptop had a CRT attached to it?! What are you, some kind of mo-ron?
Re:Wrong. by JWW · 2002-12-13 03:47 · Score: 4, Insightful

Yes I do expect them to renounce all technology, and furniture for that matter ;-)

Most of these people have a hypocritical, short sighted, rose colored view of the world. Instead of sitting in the damn tree maybe they should be negotiating (note not suing) with the logging company to develop their replanting and harvesting strategy. If the protesters were more open minded then maybe they could help loggers take trees out of the forest selectively and leave a variety of ages of trees in an area, plus plant new ones. A consession would probably have to be more low maintenance roads to get into the areas and selectively cut. It baffles me that the choice is either rape the land, or don't touch it. Stewardship of resources is not really discussed or handled, basically because the activists have iron clad belief in not doing anything. It's pretty well proven that when you do that the forest will burn. Of course when you clear cut and then replant trees that are all the same age fire danger can go up as well.

Maybe the solution is actually somewhere in the middle.
Re:Wrong. by cosmo7 · 2002-12-13 03:59 · Score: 2

most "environmentalists" stick only to a narrow selection of appealing topics. something difficult, like elephant culling (elephants destroy forests), they don't want to know.

for example, most tree-huggers are pro-whale and pro-forest. but forests only provide about 10% of the oxygen in the air; most of it is produced by algae in the sea, which, incidentally, is eaten by whales. so if the tree-huggers were really environmentally sound they would be campaigning to have the forests cut down to make harpoons and whaling ships.
Re:Wrong. by Toy+G · 2002-12-13 03:59 · Score: 2, Insightful

The amount of paper wasted by magazines and newspapers in the 20th century was enormous. Still, without Gutenberg's revolution you would probably still think the earth is a plate. To be pure is impossible: we're just humans.

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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:06 · Score: 0

I hope all the tree-sitters fall off their perch and die like that stupid bitch in Oregon.

If you're not familiar with the news item, this woman was tree-sitting in protest of clear cutting a certain area a bunch of months ago. She fell off the tree and died.

The thing she didn't realize was that the clear-cutting of that area had been cancelled and they decided not to do it after all before she even climbed up in that tree.

Goes to show how stupid, narrow-minded and stubborn environmentalists are. They just rant shit without understanding it or having any meaning. It's just something to get attention for themselves over. Maybe daddy didn't hug them enough as children.
Re:Wrong. by mdwebster · 2002-12-13 04:07 · Score: 1

That's ridiculous. If oxygen were the only component of the environment you might have a point. But trees help hold topsoil in place, preventing erosion, they provide habitats for a variety of birds and animals, they act as a huge carbon sink keeping the CO2 levels down...

There's more to the environmentalist argument than just O2 production, don't oversimplify.
Re:Wrong. by scotay · 2002-12-13 04:10 · Score: 1

I happen to know they are using the ComSimpSys ComE wireless Ethernet bridge based on 2.4 GHz organically-grown hemp-based technology that was hand weaved back at the local co-op.
Re:Wrong. by caffeine_monkey · 2002-12-13 04:16 · Score: 5, Insightful

So you can't be an environmentalist unless you live in a shack, grow your own food, forgo Western medicine, and don't use any technology that you didn't build yourself? That's absurd. I consider myself an environmentalist. I try to minimize my consumption. I think about purchases. I don't own a car. I try to educate others. But I live in a city, I use technology, and I use fossil fuels. Am I hypocrite?

Listen, it's easy to be a critic, but if you've ever seen with your own eyes what these tree sitters are fighting for, you might change your mind. I've been to some of the clearcuts on Vancouver Island, BC. You wouldn't believe the logging practices that went on before the environmental movement helped put a stop to them. There are entire mountains there that have been clearcut bald, from the summit straight into the valleys. Whole landscapes, brown and full of nothing but broken stumps. Soil washed away so nothing will grow back for a long time. It's gastly. But now, clearcuts like these are banned, and sustainable logging is being practiced more and more widely in BC.

These environmentals aren't against the wholesale use of wood, or oil, or technology - don't be silly. That's a false choice. It's in how we do things. Do we drive around town in Hummers, getting 8 miles per gallon, or do we acknowledge that yeah, there's more to living on this planet than unfettered self-gratification, and learn to make due with a smaller car? Or public transit? It's about rationale choices, man.
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:16 · Score: 0

And that would counter the protestors argument that the other side was enviromentally damaging how, exactly?
Re:Wrong. by arkanes · 2002-12-13 04:27 · Score: 5, Insightful

I'm originally from the north coast and know alot of the activists up there. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. The logging companies aren't especially interested in negotiation, for example. That's why there's protests. It's true that some of the activists are way over the top, but as a group, they're generally pretty rational. They understand that theres a need for logging and for harvesting of natural resources. LP, though, is pretty much just interested in getting all the money they can out of the area, just barely complying with law (and, in some cases, not complying at all).
It's not all one sided, of course. But the upper management of LP, the ones with the power to change things, are pretty much all hard set against negotiation - they take a very hard line, and use considerable influence with local government (which is largely corrupt) to get thier way.
Re:Wrong. by greylouser · 2002-12-13 04:33 · Score: 1

Just because they're hypocrites, that doesn't mean they're wrong.
Re:Wrong. by mark_lybarger · 2002-12-13 04:37 · Score: 1

...they should be negotiating (note not suing) with the logging company to develop their replanting and harvesting strategy. If the protesters were more open minded then maybe they could help loggers take trees out of the forest selectively and leave a variety of ages of trees in an area, plus plant new ones.

activists such as this would love to do what you describe. the tree cutting companies don't have the time or resources to sit down and work out a strategy with these "wackos" (perception of the tree cutters). their job is to cut and sell wood. where ever they can get it, how ever they can get it, they're going to cut it and sell it.

It baffles me that the choice is either rape the land, or don't touch it.

this is the current business model that provides a HUGE supply to consumers. you're suggesting a very large change to that model which would drastically increase costs to "produce" that supply. this increased cost would ultimately be passed to the consumers. could the economy handle this impact? housing construction costs, reconstruction costs, furnature costs, etc, etc.
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:41 · Score: 0

Good grief, you'd almost forget that forest fires occur naturally.

Environmentalists have no credibility with anyone but themselves.
Re:Wrong. by scotch · 2002-12-13 04:45 · Score: 2

This generalizing, stereotyping, vitriolic bullshit comming from someone that doesn't even have the miniscule amount of courage needed to log in and put his name on his words. Ho hum, nothing to see here.

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Re:Wrong. by Strange+Ranger · 2002-12-13 05:10 · Score: 2, Insightful

You either have no clue or no morals. I'm guessing no clue. The Headwater Forest is full of ancient redwood trees. You ever see them? The Coast Redwoods are up to 2000 years old. The Giant Sequoias can be over 3,500 years old. Some of these trees were around when the Phoenicians invented the alphabet, and when Jerusalem was founded. Young trees of 700 or so were around when the first Samurai drew his first sword.
Replant? Don't be ridiculous.

Of course there's a kook in every group but by and large these "hypocritical short-sighted" activists you speak of aren't out to ban all logging, renounce all technology, or any other such luddite activity. They just think a happy medium is logging oak or maple trees, not chopping down irreplaceable 2000 year old redwoods to make coffee tables.

Most people think it's fine to eat meat, but would be appalled to see bald eagle and rhinoceros meat at the deli. At minimum the same logic should be applied to threatened irreplaceable two to three thousand year old trees.

You really think they should compromise and let just a few people panel their basements in Sequoia? The idea is disgusting.

Not one redwood. There are plenty of other trees.

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Re:Wrong. by iamdrscience · 2002-12-13 05:11 · Score: 2

I'm originally from the north coast
What North Coast? There is no North Coast in the United States, there's a west coast and maybe even a northwest coast, but there's no north coast.
Re:Wrong. by tarawa · 2002-12-13 05:12 · Score: 1

AMEN!!! But I wouldn't shoot them out of the trees, that'll just inflame the Gun Control lobby.

I love how enviromentalists are willing ignore the rights of the logging companies to have and use their PRIVATE property just so that they protest. Seems to me the right to private property is one of the biggest tenants of liberty, which gives them the opportunity to protest. Protesting is fine until it starts infringing on other people's rights.

If tree farms can provide all the wood we need, then why don't these environmental groups create them and put the lumber industry out of business. Certainly sounds more pro-active than sitting in a tree and more humain than driving metal spikes in the trees.

Sitting in a tree in protest doesn't really help their cause, and doesn't really impress anyone who lives in the real world. I would be more impressed, and probably more simpathetic to these groups if they actually provided a real alternative to what they are protesting.
Re:Wrong. by joss · 2002-12-13 05:15 · Score: 3, Informative

> Most of these people have a hypocritical, short sighted, rose colored view of the world

Really. How well do you know them ? Have you actually spoken with a decent number of them or listened to what they are saying ? The environmental activists I have met have been informed, intelligent and realistic, perhaps a bit on the pessimistic side, but often with good reason.

> they should be negotiating (note not suing) with the logging company

What on earth do they have to negotiate with. The logging company is only interested in making as much money as possible. They will invest some of that money for campaign contributions to make sure regulation is kept to a minimum. Costing the logging company money by occupying trees is a mechanism to gain some negotiation power.

> It baffles me that the choice is either rape the land, or don't touch it.

Where the hell did you get that idea ?

Do you think these people spend time, discomfort get beaten half to death by paid goons etc while remaining completely uninformed about everything.
They are not doing it for fun. They have been successfully painted as a bunch of stupid unrealistic hippies by a sophisticated PR industry that manipulates the vast majority of the media. Check out this sometime if you want to understand better where you get your views from.

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Re:Wrong. by _xeno_ · 2002-12-13 05:16 · Score: 4, Insightful
You are aware that they've already tried this? If you read the 'blog, you'd see that Remedy indicates that the lumber company currently has an injunction against their continued cutting in the area she's treesitting in. That apparently hasn't stopped them. (Granted, she says that the injunction was imposed two months ago November, so a little math gives us five months being little more than annoying, but...)
She also says:
That MAXXAM/Pacific Lumber is allowed to proceed with their destruction-as-usual, after over 300 violations connected to the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, and the Forest Practices Act, is nothing short of criminal.

In short, it sounds like negotiation and criminal and civil litigation have already been attempted and have failed. Their demands do not indicate that they want the lumber industry to stop cutting altogether - she lists four things she'd like to see:
1. STOP CUTTING THE OLD GROWTH!
2. Put an immediate end to clear-cutting
3. Stop spraying herbicides! We can not live with poisoned water.
4. Stop cutting on steep and unstable slopes.
I'm not sure I agree with the first "demand" - I'd have to be given better reasoning than just "it's bad" - so I'll leave that one as being perhaps a little overboard. But I dunno.
I'd hope we can all agree that simple clear-cutting is bad and irresponsible. The lumber industry would actually be better off replanting or leaving enough trees so that the forest can grow back. However, MAXXAM/PL is apparently taking an incredibly short-sited view of things and is going for as much profit short-term as possible, instead of attempting to ensure that they will be able to continue with a source of lumber into the future.
As for herbicides, I'd love to know why a logging company would be spraying herbicides. It would seem to increase the damage from any wildfires (as it would cause there to be more deadwood). I would guess they do it to help clear the underbrush to be able to pull trees out easily? Seems unnecessary and quite possible to be worked around. Not being a logger, I don't know.
The last one again should be just common sense. You know what prevents a large sloped mass of dirt from being a large flowing mass of mud? Roots, be they tree roots or other undergrowth. Remove the trees, the roots die, and then you get mudslides in rainy conditions. But anyone engaging in clear-cutting probably doesn't really care about the land after they've finished exploiting it, so they probably feel fine about letting the area turn into a deathtrap once they've got their wood out. At the very least, one would hope that on slopes with the danger of landslides, lumber companies would either be forced to leave most of the trees and immediately replant around the trees they have removed a new tree and probably grass as a stop-gap measure until the tree matures enough to hold the ground in place.
The solution probably is in the middle, but if you actually read the 'blog, it seems that the logging company is intent on maximizing immediate profits with no concern for what will happen as a consequence.
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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 05:16 · Score: 0

In the middle? But compromise is communist. Or something. It wouldn't be America if one side didn't screw the other for all they're worth.
Re:Wrong. by Stinky+Cheese+Man · 2002-12-13 05:21 · Score: 1

What North Coast? There is no North Coast in the United States, there's a west coast and maybe even a northwest coast, but there's no north coast.
"North Coast" refers to northern coastal California, i.e. north of San Francisco to the Oregon border.
Re:Wrong. by LMCBoy · 2002-12-13 05:21 · Score: 3, Informative

You've committed a (probably intentional) logical fallacy. You assume that because the protesters want these particular trees to be saved, that it must mean that they want no tree in the world to be cut down, and that therefore their use of any natural resource is hypocritical. Have I got your logic right?

The fallacy of course, is that these particular trees are very unique. They represent some of the last old-growth coastal redwoods left in the world. They are thousands of years old. There used to be a lot more of them, but they've almost all been cut down over the last century, to make crap like this.

These trees should not be cut down. There's plenty of non-unique timber out there.

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Re:Wrong. by Jonny+Ringo · 2002-12-13 05:29 · Score: 2

Well they are trying to do just that in fact.
Read this article about a really tough fight.
Re:Wrong. by The+Electric+Messiah · 2002-12-13 05:29 · Score: 1

I too grew up on the "North Coast". (I think the only people who actually refer to it as the North Coast are the anchors at KIEM TV. www.kiem-tv.com for an example.

My dad teaches at one of the local schools down there (I'm in Portland now) and his class took a field trip to the Headwaters. He invited me along. This forest is outstandingly beautiful, even though most of the old-growth trees have been cut down already. Pretty much all that's left standing are the trees along the actual headwaters of the various creeks/rivers.

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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 05:31 · Score: 0

shut up, hippy fag
Re:Wrong. by lscotte · 2002-12-13 05:58 · Score: 0, Troll

Even more, if these people really believe in what they do, why don't the put their money where their mouth is.

Have you ever noticed that most of the environazies want to protect the forest, but they want the goverment, or somebody else to pay for it? That's just wrong.

Compare this to the Nature Conservancy. When these folks want to save some land, they raise the money to legally purchase the land so they can manage it.

Contrast that with these logging protesters. These people only believe in their ideology up to where they have to pay for it. How come you don't see them purchasing the trees they want to save? Makes you wonder if they really want to save the trees, or just get alot of media attention.

If these folks ante up to legally purchase the property so they can protect these trees - I say go for it! But if the logging companies own the trees, they have the legal right to do with the trees what they will. What makes anyone think that someone who doesn't own the property and is probably illegally trespassing has more rights than the legal owner?

This is socialism. Can anyone really argue that these people are NOT commie environazies?

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Re:Wrong. by lscotte · 2002-12-13 06:07 · Score: 1

> It's about rationale choices, man.

If it's about choice, then how come the only choice you consider rational is if everyone follows what is YOUR choice?

You see, that's not choice at all. Choice means allowing people to make their own decisions.

If I want to drive a hummer getting 8 MPG, that's my choice. If you don't like it, too bad - but don't be a socialist and try and force your views on me.

If you want to protect a tree, that's your choice - but if you really want to protect it, go legally buy the land the frigging tree is on - put your money where your mouth is.

Is clearcutting a good thing? Hell no, it sucks and should be stopped. You see, the answer is never in the extremes.

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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 06:16 · Score: 0

Hey, do you see an exhaust pipe coming out of my laptop? And it doesn't use power, it has a battery!
Re:Wrong. by Forrestina · 2002-12-13 06:17 · Score: 1

are you nuts? do you ever consider that these people put their time and energy into these efforts, they literally put their lives there their mouths are.

ooooh kneejerk commie remarks! you MUST be really bright!

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Re:Wrong. by drinkypoo · 2002-12-13 06:24 · Score: 2

You really do have to ask yourself what purpose all these computers and other related consumer goods are being put to that couldn't be better achieved some other way. Do we really need our population spread out so that we have commuters living amongst farming communities? Are computers really helping people, or are they paradoxically making them feel less connected?
Okay that's enough of that, I don't believe that shit for a second, but it's fun to yank chains. You're absolutely right that clearcutting is wrong, and I think it should be stopped by any means necessary, up to and including sabotage. Though I fail to see how wooden shoes will help, they're probably made in sweatshops and we come back to the argument that started this thread.
We *do* have a serious problem with disposable electronics in this world, however. Handheld computers, household appliances, and also computers contribute. On the other hand, I expect this trend to taper off, if industry will let it. There are two reasons why it continues. The first is that companies want to SELL SELL SELL you everything they can. That means that they want to make things that break and/or they want to supersede the old equipment so that, in either event, you will buy more. The other issue is that we are just rounding a bend of technology in which computers are becoming able to do all the shit we've seen them do in the movies. Once computers can do all that crap (which is partly a software issue, and partly a bandwidth issue, and yes, we do need a bit more CPU still) then I believe the tendency to throw them away will lessen.
Don't scoff at this person's assertion that by using a computer which DRAMATICALLY increases the world's entropy, usually in ways which pollute or destroy the environment - Do you really believe that the metal in the laptop was acquired any way other than strip-mining? You think that plastic's made out of corn, or hemp? Think again, sparky. The production of everything in that laptop save the silicon (and its production tends to be a fairly noxious process) directly contributes to havoc wreaked on the earth which will render the landscape even more wrecked than clearcutting. I do agree, however, that there's more contrast between the before and after in most cases.
In the end the solution to both is technology; Moving away from using wood to build at all, and going to steel for frames and plastics for everything else; Finding more efficient ways to mine, refine, and recycle steel. Eventually I expect housing to be made out of materials like carbon fiber (getting cheaper all the time) monocoques built in pieces and bolted together for light weight (shipping) and rigidity. More houses will have active floors so they can be lightweight and low-material while still feeling completely rigid.
And even more finally, there ARE people who believe we should go back to living on the farm, practicing sustainable agriculture (IE crop rotation) and do more things by hand. They can screw right off in my opinion, but they do make some good points.

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Re:Wrong. by TrafficGeek · 2002-12-13 06:58 · Score: 0

maybe they should become loggers? see the world though loggers eyes and change things from the inside out.

just a thought. could be wrong.

-sean
Re:Wrong. by joss · 2002-12-13 07:00 · Score: 2

Well, since you don't personally own any forest, I suppose it's fine with you if we destroy every tree on the planet.

The logging companies seldom own the land either. If they did, they would manage it. Usually it's federal land which they bought logging rights to for a pittance [although it works out a little more if you include campaign contributions].

Oh - too bad if you can't breathe anymore. In fact, since you don't own the air you should stop breathing immediately.

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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 07:01 · Score: 0

they literally put their lives there their mouths are.

Well, their mouth is generally wrapped around and sucking on that doobie, and their life? Geeez. They flunked out of college from going to demos. When they're lucky they can find work waiting tables at the coffeehouse. What sort of life is that? Certainly it's more exciting to go out and fuck with other people. There's possibly a little bit of resentment as the motivator there, eh?
Re:Wrong. by NineNine · 2002-12-13 07:03 · Score: 2

You're absolutely right. I think that a bunch of big, meat-eating, smoking, spitting, arm-wresting super-macho lumberjacks that work for the company that owns the land should go "protest" in the tree-sitter's apartments. They should sit there indefinitely. Maybe then they'll understand that you can't just tresspass and take away a person (or company)'s right to own and use private property.
Re:Wrong. by mstyne · 2002-12-13 07:07 · Score: 2

Don't tell that to people in Michigan.

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Re:Wrong. by SN74S181 · 2002-12-13 07:17 · Score: 1

Let's see here. We have someone with an 'account' on slashdot, but who points to no website, provides no email address, and probably doesn't have 'scotch' as the name listed on his driver's license.

And he's attacking somebody for not having the courage to 'put his name on his words.'

Can somebody here point out the contradiction in the above??
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 08:01 · Score: 0

Is driving any vehicle that gets 8MPG truly a rational choice? How much money does that cost to own? If you live in the suburb and commute 15 miles to work and back five times a week? Is it really worth it? Why would one really waste that money just to have a symbol of status? I never understood materialism...
Re:Wrong. by e_n_d_o · 2002-12-13 08:12 · Score: 2

Do we drive around town in Hummers, getting 8 miles per gallon...

Your rhetorical question contains a lie. The Hummer H2 (the $50k one, based off a Chevrolet Suburban) gets 11mpg city, 14mpg highway. The H1 (the $100k one, engineered specifically for military duty), gets 14mpg city, and 17mpg highway (due to it having a diesel engine).

The only way you're going to see 8mpg in a Hummer is by towing or taking it off road. which you have in no way suggested. If you don't like vehicles that average 14mpg, well, then say so. But making up statistics reduces the credibility of your statement.

And no, I don't own one.
Re:Wrong. by apweiler · 2002-12-13 08:19 · Score: 2, Insightful

Shame I haven't got any mod points to burn...

I managed to keep out of the discussion so far, but here I can't resist.

Not going to get into the name-calling - I'm tempted to do that myself, though it's better to exercise restraint. And I'm not going to ask you to explain why socialism is so evil.

So the 'environazies' should buy the trees that legally belong to the logging corporation? And how did those companies come to own the trees? By buying them for their *real* value from the *real* owners, i.e. in many cases indigenous tribes, or the government, consisting of colonists who drove the indigenous population out? But let's not get into that, it's too messy... Either way, I doubt the companies paid much money for them. And you're saying that when I own something, I can do with it what I want? So I can take my gun and shoot you, because I legally bought it? Of course not, I can use my property any way I want as long as I don't harm anyone, wouldn't you agree? I, and these protesters, would argue that cutting down these trees *does* cause harm - to the environment (as other people mentioned - oxygen production, but also biodiversity - the drug to cure the brain tumor you get in 10 years might be discovered in some old-growth forest, and all that stuff), and thus *all of us*.

So your basic premise is that we should have an absolutely free market, with no regulation at all, isn't it? I disagree with that, but FWIW, we haven't. The problem is that a) neither governments nor these companies really play by the rules of a free market, and b) money isn't the only 'value' in the world. Of course society as a whole (i.e. the gov't) should pay for such things - because it benefits all society.

If I were one of these activists and bought a tree or two, I'd want patent rights to all potentially useful drugs and whatever discovered in the area, money from everyone who enjoys the sight of these trees (tourists, people living nearby...) - you'd probably agree with some of these, basically using my property in a different way. But I'd also want to be paid for the oxygen produced, and the CO2 removed from the atmosphere, and the reduction in global warming damage, etc. etc. Not to mention the intrinsic value of nature that simply can't be measured in money. But you might not accept the existence of this, so let's leave it out.
Basically, eco-tourism and other ways of non-invasively using nature, and the idea of buying nature to protect it are wonderful - they're just not enough. If you let these companies do what they want, they'll destroy our planet. Oh, but that's OK because they paid for it and had the right to do so? Don't make me laugh.

Hmm. I need to practice writing something that makes sense without spending too much time planning. I realise that there's probably not enough logical structure in this post, but I stand by the basic points I make.
Re:Wrong. by Saige · 2002-12-13 08:34 · Score: 3, Insightful

I love how enviromentalists are willing ignore the rights of the logging companies to have and use their PRIVATE property just so that they protest. Seems to me the right to private property is one of the biggest tenants of liberty, which gives them the opportunity to protest. Protesting is fine until it starts infringing on other people's rights.

And, of course, the fact that the logging that Pacific Lumber Company is ok, since it doesn't hurt anyone else.

It hasn't filled Humboldt Bay with mud, seriously degrading the habitat for fish, and it hasn't seriously damaged the ability of the watershed to filter and buffer rainfall from storms, which made Freshwater Creek less likely to flood.

The fact that residents of Eureka now see a lot more flooding, and the flooding being directly traceable to the logging doesn't matter, does it? The fact that their logging doesn't just affect their private property, but is damaging large amounts of both private and public property isn't important?

I'm sure if you found your PRIVATE PROPERTY was regularly getting flooded and your PRIVATE PROPERTY was being destroyed by the actions of the logging companies, that you'd be a little less likely to say "they're only doing it on their private property, they have that right!"

Massive amounts of logging affect much more than just the land that's logged. So would it be fair to say "Logging is fine until it starts infringing on other people's rights"?? Because that is EXACTLY what this company is doing.

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Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 08:45 · Score: 0

These activists are sitting in trees that DON'T BELONG TO THEM. Where the hell do they get off?!?!? That's private property. Where's my gun?

MOM
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 08:53 · Score: 0

3,500 years old, cool. You know where I could get a coffin made out of one of these? I would like to be buried in it.
Re:Wrong. by ElectricRook · 2002-12-13 08:56 · Score: 1

The Headwater Forest is full of ancient redwood trees. You ever see them?

That's a trick question... No humans are allowed in the Headwater NF.

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Re:Wrong. by scotch · 2002-12-13 09:33 · Score: 2

At least with an account, you can have a conversation, instead of drive-by insults and fire-and-forget bullshit. No login, no telling who you're talking to, no reasonable expectation that who you are replying to will ever read your response. So, no contradiction. I don't really have a maintained website. If you want my email address, give me yours, and I'll email it to you. However, you can be sure if you want to have a conversation, I treat this forum with the same attention I would an email from you.
I doubt very many people have nicks that appear on their drivers license, although a permutation of mine does.

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Re:Wrong. by SuperMario666 · 2002-12-13 13:12 · Score: 1

You are a Canadian. Do you realize, that along with Americans like myself, compared to the rest of the world you might as well be driving in around in a Hummer.
Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 14:22 · Score: 0

You have to have a large vehicle in the city so you can run over niggers who try to carjack you. Or even worse, those morons who try to wash your windows with their dirty water. With an SUV or pickup truck you just run these people down and they get out of the way.
Re:Wrong. by Nept · 2002-12-13 15:04 · Score: 2

because while neogotiating might work, sitting in a tree does work, and anyone can do it.

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Re:Wrong. by ElectricRook · 2002-12-13 17:27 · Score: 1

most "environmentalists" stick only to a narrow selection of appealing topics. something difficult

Right on! They totally missed the fact that due to two parasites, we came very close to losing the entire population of honey bees a few years ago. A world with out pollinators, now that would have been a disaster.

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Re:Wrong. by ElectricRook · 2002-12-13 17:53 · Score: 1

you can't just tresspass and take away a person (or company)'s right to own and use private property.

Actually you can... It's called opression. Well it's called opression if the victim group is out of favor with the media consortium.

If the opressing group is _in_ the favor of the media consortium, opressing victims is called activisim.

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Re:Wrong. by onehammer · 2002-12-13 20:54 · Score: 1

You seem pretty well informed. Just what are the margins on a "typical northwest timber sale"?

"The logging companies seldom own the land either. If they did, they would manage it."

You mean that the land isn't managed? What happens after a cut? Aren't the trees replanted? Usually at a ratio of 3 or 4:1 at the expense of the logging company?

What is a pittance to you anyway? Can I have a few hundred thousand to buy a new house? I still live in an apartment, but if that's a pittance to you.....

"Oh - too bad if you can't breathe anymore."

Right...I forgot, only the "Old Growth" forest creates O2....oh, no...wait a minute. While it's decomposing it's producing CO2 not O2...that means that the "Old Growth" forest is suffocating me!

You seem so knowledgeable and yet you don't seem to know anything.

You want to see a great use of private forest land? Look at:

http://galbraithmt.com

This is a managed forest, owned by a private company and opened for the use of the public! They have ongoing logging operations in the forest and seem to get along with the public at the same time! They let people build all of these trails in their private forest. Damn loggers anyway! They wreck everything!

Amherst-Fag and the Kuro5hin Abuse by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: -1, Offtopic

From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] advice?
Date sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:34:58 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0013)

Indeed, whimsy is an open account (for posting whimsical diaries) whose password is 'whimsy'. I've contributed some diaries (principally, "I was there watching the world go by" and "How to calculate your social security income") and so have felt free to abuse the account for comment posting in Anne Marie stories. My guess is the other whimsy poster is tewl, since she posted something about "oh, I didn't realize annemarie=cp" in k5tt a while back.

I share your incredulity. Anyone who reads through k5tt would know the truth. Anyone who suspected could do a search on my (cp's) comments and see I only post in anne marie's stories. Oh well. It's fun to see rusty defend me.

--- James <spiralx@spazmail.com> wrote:
> --- =?iso-8859-1?q?I=20am=20Troll?=
> <i_am_troll@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >I thought that you were Whimsy? Why did you just
> out
> >yourself and then ask us to mod it down? Explain
> now,
> >or I'll moderate the comment up.
>
> Nah, Whimsy is an open account anyone can use if
> they know the password, which is lost to me, but
> could be "whimsy". So at least one other person
> remembers the password and knows that cp is anne
> marie.
>
> What I'd like to know is how on Earth has cp managed
> to keep the fact that he is Anne Marie quiet so
> well? I mean, he hardly tried to keep it quiet with
> trolltalk posts and so on, and yet very few seem to
> know who Anne Marie actually is...
>
> J
>
> P.S. I really want to smoke. Bugger. Giving up
> sucks.

(This is CP0013)

VLADEQUACY RAW & UNCUT 7 by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: -1, Offtopic

[momocrome] hmm
[Sulla] I've had enough of subtlety, county
[dmg] hey tarque
[Sulla] I've had a long week
[dmg] you seem to be in belgium
[dmg] or is that brazil ?
[Sulla] isn't br brazil?
[dmg] i think so
[momocrome] microsoft MSN has parental controls with age-specific settings like 'preteen' and 'teen'.
[momocrome] it is like a menu system for pederasts
[momocrome] I guess it would work for the FBI just as well
[First_Incision] have you ever wondered who is the narc on #adequacy?
[momocrome] the two groups will be the only ones in the chatrooms marked 'safe'
[momocrome] certainly
[momocrome] it could be me!
[Mohammed_Iqbal] I WANT TO GO HOME!
*** Mohammed_Iqbal is now known as shoeboy
[shoeboy] I don't want to be at work anymore
[momocrome] take a deep breath
[momocrome] they are ripping on you in trolltalk, shoeboy
[momocrome] perhaps you can strike back and burn off a little steam
[dmg] #adequacy is not what it seems First Incision.
[dmg] You are dealing with powers that you cannot begin to comprehend.
[shoeboy] why should I care?
[Lumpen] Where is trolltalk?
[momocrome] I don't think you should 'care', per se, just a way to blow off steam I thought I'd suggest
[momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
[dmg] momocrome, that is top secret information.
[dmg] don't just spread it around like that.
[momocrome] gahsp!
[momocrome] my apologies. Lumpen, looks like you lucked out
[Lumpen] Oh. It's a slashdot thing. Blah.
[shoeboy] someone's been viewing my amazon.com user page
[shoeboy] hrm.. stockton's got 4 turnovers at the half
[shoeboy] fuck
[dmg] night all. Off to do some Top Secret MI6 work
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[shoeboy] oh yeah, some little nigger was ridiculing my shoes on the bus this morning
[shoeboy] that was obnoxious
[Sulla] what are your shoes like?
[shoeboy] New Ballance running shoes
[Sulla] trainers?
[shoeboy] yeah
[First_Incision] riding the bus, how communist
[Sulla] I don't blame him
[shoeboy] bah
[First_Incision] "trainers", there's a UKism for you.
[shoeboy] he was dressed like your typical urban black
[Sulla] anyone who wears trainers anywhere, though especially on a bus, deserves all they get
[First_Incision] they're sneakers, dammit. For sneaking up on the redcoats
[shoeboy] and looked like a clown college dropout
[Sulla] locally they get called sanshoes, FI, I actually thought I was using a USianism so you'd understand
[First_Incision] haha. I've actually never heard a non-UK person say trainers before.
[Lumpen] I call them "nigger boots."
[county] I think I'd just break down if some little nigger ridiculed my shoes.
[Sulla] you lot are acomplete disgrace
[county] Are we?
[First_Incision] somebody needs to ridicule my shoes. I deserve it.
[First_Incision] http://www.converse.com/shop/shop.asp?cat=sc
[county] I like my shoes.
[Sulla] Yes, county
[county] I wear black leather boots.
[First_Incision] My shoes are ugly as shit, but comfortable as heaven
[county] Mine look mighty sharp.
[Sulla] my shoes are black, leather, and constricting. They punish my feet, covering them in blisters and blood. I deserve it, though, and it is morally improving
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[county] Mine are similar, Sulla, but they don't draw blood.
*** Sulla is now known as bc
[county] Or cause blisters, really.
[county] They're stern, though.
[bc] mine really do
[bc] fucking agony, they are
[First_Incision] mine are like walking on pillows
[county] I've walked over five miles a day in mine without blisters, just soreness.
[county] When they were brand new, though, they caused blisters.
[county] I had to break them, though! And they had to break me.
[county] It was very sexual.
[bc] I do more than 5 miles usually, and by God, every step is pain
[bc] every step sends shockwaves of sheer agony around my foot and up my leg
[county] Why don't you get more comfortable shoes?
[bc] and after my ritual 5000 steps every day, I feel like a new man. I feel improved. I feel like the sin has been flushed out.
[bc] because I deserve the agony, county
[bc] I'm a bad fellow, and this is my self imposed cross
[First_Incision] http://www.panama-jack.com/havanajoe/INGLES/colecc ion/categories/men/adventure/pages/classic1.htm
[county] Anyway, I'm going to tell my story about female cruelty on the bus.
[bc] to bear
[county] I get on the bus with four other girls, three of them are together.
[county] I mean with four girls.
[First_Incision] I also have a pair of these that are 3 years old, I trust they will last my whole life.
[county] I'm a guy, of course. Heh.
[county] The lone girl tries to be friendly with the three, and they're quite terse and rude, and then when she gets off, they spend the next five minutes mocking her.
[county] It made me weep.
[bc] Yes. You'd never do something like that, of course.
[county] I wouldn't.
[county] She was quite pretty, too.
[county] Her face had a strange, intense look to it.
[bc] perhaps you should have recorded the conversation the girl had and slipped it into her pocket anonymously come monday
[bc] girl/girls
[county] Her voice and attitude were intoxicating in their simplicity and ingenuousness!
[county] And I will never see her again :(
[county] The other girls were ill-formed masses of pimpled, greasy, misshapen flesh.
[county] The soul truly is reflected in the face and body.
*** momocrome is now known as Yanni
[shoeboy] indeed
[bc] Fascinating county, but, considering that you have shown your capcity for malice here many times, I suspect that while you doubtless thought this girl pure and interesting, you in fact liked her because she was similar to yourself (the usual reason for attraction) - full of malice. I suspect the criticism of the other girls (who were likely good, and therefore opposed to you, and quite alien) was justified.
[shoeboy] this is why I can't wipe the smirk off my face no matter how hard I try
[county] I didn't see any reason to suppose this girl courted malice, bc.
[county] Anyway, I think it's been well-established that I can't take it, at all.
[county] I wouldn't be attracted to a cruel person.
* Yanni is the man for you, county
[county] Sorry, Yanni, I don't like fatties.
[Yanni] I will sooth your soul.
[Yanni] I am not fat!
[county] 225 lbs is pretty damn fat.
[Yanni] http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~kim/yanni.GIF
[bc] marry me?
[Yanni] I am intensely well muscled, by nature.
[Yanni] and at a firm 6'2", can hardly be counted amongst the fatties
[county] I'm 6'2", though.
[Yanni] you are a bean pole
[Yanni] 160 lbs?
[county] bc, I feel like such a wretched fool for not talking to this girl and getting rejected!
[county] No, more like 170-175.
[Yanni] hey, you guys want to know a secret?
[Yanni] Luisa is a man. a cowboy, no less.
[bc] The value of work is socially defined, and usually done so for the benefit of those in charge; those with the most power and influence. --Infinitera
[bc] Is he retarded????????
[county] No, he's correct.
[bc] Shut up.
[county] Also, I'd like to point out the Gun N' Roses is the best band ever.
[county] Would you hit it? http://www.cyborgasmatrix.com/
[First_Incision] that's anatomically correct? No, I would not hit it. Not even a real woman that looked like that.
[county] The face made me laugh.
[Yanni] be sure to visit the torso gallery
[county] I didn't get past the front page.
[county] I figured it couldn't get any better!
[Yanni] this is horrifying
[First_Incision] when's the Internet going to bring about the downfall of western civillization. It seems to be about time now.
[Yanni] Available
[Yanni] Now!
[Yanni] Torso with head starts at $920
[Yanni] no arms or legs with that
[county] Oh, no!
[county] It's wrong that they would sell that.
[county] The whole idea of a fake woman is ridiculous.
[Yanni] you can buy just the upper torso
[Yanni] $395 for breasts and shoulders only
[county] I wonder if they've had any takers at all.
[First_Incision] yes, county, that is why we are ridiculing it
[county] I can't imagine anyone would want it.
[Yanni] see MPG
[Yanni] video of breasts
[Yanni] being kneeded
[Yanni] 1.4 MB ]
[county] Frankly, I'm just not seeing a niche market between masturbation and actual women.
[county] Those two seem to have the demand pretty much satisfied.
[Yanni] perhaps it will become an appliance as common as a refrigerator or microwave oven
[county] For $920, you could have a girlfriend for a month or two.
[Yanni] reading into a little, these dolls talk, have articulated skeletons
[county] For $920, you could masturbate for decades!
[First_Incision] the e-conomy is all about inventing niche markets that don't exist.
[Yanni] $920 would get you 2 hours with a clean-ish whore
[county] For $920 I could buy a fancy hat that would get that wonderful bus girl to notice me.
[county] I'm having scads of fun falling in infatuation with girls from the bus. I hadn't anticipated this at all, but it's immensely enjoyable.
[Yanni] for $920 / month, you could afford a fancy enough car to get a bell town beauty
[county] Oh boy!
[Yanni] Final warning to Vladequacy. (Score:0)
[Yanni] by Anonymous Coward on 11-15-02 07:28 PM (#4683239)
[county] I hope that little feud doesn't end bloodlessly.
[First_Incision] 01,9904 01I hate it when I forget about dinner and get hungry late at night01,99
[county] Have some beans.
[First_Incision] I don't keep food stocked. I suppose I must go get some food from a local muslim late-nite eatery
[county] Why don't you keep food stocked?
[First_Incision] because I live off of fast food.
[county] Oh.
[Yanni] a med student
[Yanni] perhaps fat
[county] I buy a pre-prepared meal once each week.
[First_Incision] I have put on 15 pounds since I started.
[Yanni] Margeret Thatcher has ingested my semen. _five times_.
[county] Every Sunday, I purchase a gyro.
[First_Incision] I shall return with hommos
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[county] It seems that buying one's meals would get expensive.
[Yanni] (snicker). he said homos
[county] Do you have the Mrs. cook for you, Yanni?
[Yanni] mostly
[Yanni] i sometimes prefer to get a beef-based product though
[Yanni] she'll only do chicken if she's cooking for us
[county] Do you two ever compromise on pork?
[Yanni] Vladequacy
[Yanni] no. she doesn't like to eat mammals
[Yanni] trollaxor is gone berserk
[county] I don't eat much beef.
[county] Chicken and pork, mostly, and some lamb.
[shoeboy] cock!
[county] Don't eat much of that, no.
[shoeboy] sulla does
* shoeboy is going home
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[wsl3] Jesus H Christ, what the fuck is going on in trolltalk???
[county] Why not read it and find out?
[Yanni] I am about to post a doozy
*** Yanni is now known as momocrome
[county] What's trolltalk's URL, by the way?
[momocrome] what would be a slick way of 'proclaiming a royal blacklist' for the phoneboy cabal?
[momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721
[county] Tell them that Vladinator is now officially displeased with them.
[momocrome] I am coming at them as the rightful King of trolltalk
[bc] ha! I got 0ed
[momocrome] because years ago, I won the battle of the sids
[bc] my post is invisible :(
[momocrome] :|
[county] =)
[county] I 0ed you.
[wsl3] heh
[bc] bastard, county
[bc] unzero me!
[county] I can't!
[momocrome] bah!
[bc] why not?
[wsl3] Yeah, tell them that Vlad's going to unleash the full power of Vladiquacy on thier asses.
[momocrome] county is hardly the 'trusted user'! ! !
[wsl3] LOL
[county] Because your post deserved a 0.
[bc] why?
[wsl3] Why on earth did they lump you guys in with me anyway?
[county] Actually, momocrome, I have a quite famous account that's trusted.
[county] I'm just telling stories, bc :(
[wsl3] bc - url? I'll 5 it for ballance.
[county] I haven't 0 anything in ages.
[bc] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/11/15/17928/ 674/46#46
[bc] there
[bc] invisible :((
[bc] I always get picked on
[county] You were trolled by infinitera?
[county] Oh man.
[bc] who 0ed me anyway, vlad?
[wsl3] bc - I don't know - I'm no longer TU it seems thanks to those assholes. :-(
[bc] heh
[county] I stand stride the storm, untouched by it! I will never be robbed of trustedness!
[wsl3] I shall now have to start yet another k5 account with which to gain TU back.
[county] "astride"
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[wsl3] Or rather, have Dave do it since I'm on K5 restriction. :-)
[First_Incision] praise Allah, hommos!
[wsl3] So seriously, when did this bullshit "Vladiquacy" malarky start poping up?
[county] You're spelling it incorrectly, big guy.
[wsl3] Oh, Vladaquacy?
[wsl3] s/Vladiquacy/Vladaquacy then.
[momocrome] here, I will post my post
[county] That spelling still doesn't make sense.
[county] "Vladequacy" is the only reasonable spelling.
[momocrome] vladequacy
[county] I should know, too, for I am osm.
[wsl3] Well well well. Hello Phone Boy.
[momocrome] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 368
[county] Hello, Vlad.
[wsl3] So it was you.
[momocrome] it will just get flooded off the page, judging by recent activity
[wsl3] Why?
[momocrome] but I have cast my lot
[wsl3] Sweet! You even posted it loged in!
[county] Why? Be more specific.
[momocrome] oh yes
[momocrome] I left you out of it
[momocrome] vlad,
[wsl3] Why did you do this? I don't recall ever even pissing you off directly. You've always been around, but we've never really bumped into one another so to speak.
[wsl3] momocrome: I'm talking to county actually.
[momocrome] bah
[momocrome] I know, and I think you are getting your chain pulled
[county] Vladinator, you're just really, really irritating. I don't know how else to put it.
[momocrome] if county is osm, I am spiralx
[wsl3] lol
[momocrome] corpus memento
[wsl3] hard to tell, he's on attbi and is cloaked (like me).
[wsl3] county: I'm not suprised that you would say that... That still doesn't prove you're OSM.
[county] Just like momocrome.
[momocrome] aww.
[wsl3] momo I know and can vouch for.
[county] I don't feel the need to prove anything. Anyway, why are you not surprised? Are you aware that most people find you extremely obnoxious?
[wsl3] county == qpt much more likely.
[wsl3] You sound like him/her/it anyway
[wsl3] momo - that was great.
[county] momocrome, you're getting hit on.
[momocrome] it is too weak
[momocrome] knee jerk
[momocrome] I have to go through the frozen lasagna in the oven. bbiab
[First_Incision] I like how Fox News doesn't respect Godwin's Law
[First_Incision] The INS is letting in illegal immigrants. They are following orders from Congress and the President. "Just like Nazi Germany"
[First_Incision] letting in immigrants, like Nazi Germany?
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[county] I really need to work up the courage to talk to one of these bus babes.
[county] They really are fantastic.
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[Sulla] blh
[county] In fact, entirely apart from the bus, I'm surrounded by babes, none of whom I talk to :(
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[county] What's wrong with me?
[Sulla] are you shy?
[county] I blame society.
[county] And bc.
[county] Am I shy.
[county] That's an interesting question.
[Sulla] I'm not in society? :(
[county] Yes and no, really.
[momocrome] ah, the real hit to my post has appeared
[county] I'm mostly just shy around women I'm attracted to.
[Sulla] so reserved rather than inhibited?
[wsl3] That latest one is too long to read...
[wsl3] We need something new in there already...
[wsl3] Hey, I know...
[wsl3] ...
[county] Generally, yes, Sulla.
[wsl3] Much better.
[county] And when I do talk to women I'm attracted to, I'm just biting and cutting.
[wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 466
[county] Boy, do they have your number! ==] William Scott "Pinkrectum Floyd" Lockwood III
[wsl3] That was a dodge anyway - I've been very careful not to violate the terms of the agreement with that account. :-)
[wsl3] It worked VERY well.
[momocrome] vlad, I'd bet you could get taco to release log data regarding these current posts
[wsl3] Nope.
[wsl3] Tried.
[wsl3] Was told they don't keep those details, and to talk to their lawyer.
[momocrome] write him again, just with the links
[momocrome] and say, look man. these are actual crimes
[momocrome] slander, harassment, etc
[momocrome] it will at least get taco into the mix
[momocrome] it would be fun to see him post to trolltalk again
[wsl3] Been there, done that. His only response was "I know it sucks, but they've done it to me too."
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[wsl3] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721&cid=4683 512
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[yap] can i spill some rap in here
[wsl3] sURE
[wsl3] Why not?
[yap] maybe later
[yap] im thinking i should read up on a subject
[yap] to impress people i will meet
[yap] in the future
[wsl3] taxonomy.
[wsl3] That's a good one.
[yap] hold on
[yap] httP://www.yourdictionary.com
[wsl3] bbiab
* wsl3 &
[yap] och
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[First_Incision] luisa awakens?
[luisa|||] no.
[county] Enter the luisa.
[First_Incision] this commercial really makes me want to go to Bermuda. It's truly effective advertising.
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[momocrome] county, so harsh!
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[First_Incision] Edmund Hilary? Pitching SUVs?
[county] Harsh, momocrome? When? How?
[momocrome] coy?
[momocrome] i see how it is!
[momocrome] you are the only person who knows I might have used to have a mustqang automobile!
[county] I'm really confused!
[momocrome] of course I realize it isn't a mustqang
[momocrome] and I suppose you aren't the only person
[county] I don't have any idea what you're talking about :(
[momocrome] there is a mean post in trolltalk telling me to 'go peel out in your mustang and shut the fuck up'
[momocrome] and I was being so nice.
[county] Oh.
[county] That isn't me.
[momocrome] of course
[county] However, I get the feeling that someone who hangs out in here is being nasty in trolltalk.
[momocrome] I was just hoping to drag this silly drama into slashnet. or not.
[county] I take out all my aggression on on darling little luisa.
[momocrome] it must be 70% or em!
[momocrome] you guys please don't suck like that. thanks in advance.
[momocrome] oh dear. If I am going to play in trolltalk, drink and chat in here, I really aught to pick only two.
[sleepingurl] drinking is silly
[momocrome] my apologies
*** sleepingurl is now known as luisa||||
[county] Drinking is essential.
[luisa||||] i wish i hadn't gotten home so late
[county] Why?
[luisa||||] now i can't go out carousing
[county] What were you out doing before?
[luisa||||] hanging out at a friend's house
[First_Incision] haha, I'm watching a thing on police snipers. They are shooting at baloons pulled by remote control toy trucks
[county] I am engaging in mental and emotional flagellation.
[luisa||||] my brother's in jail
[county] For what?
[luisa||||] which means he is unemployed again
[First_Incision] luisa||||: seriously? what did he do, or what is he acused of?
[luisa||||] he had a warrant
[county] If he would just go to prison, he could have a job making license plates.
[luisa||||] because he was stupid and failed to sort a prior ticket
[momocrome] a warrant for love.
[luisa||||] nah, it was a moving violation, not criminal stuff
[luisa||||] that's what makes it so stupid
[First_Incision] but failure to appear in court?
[luisa||||] yeah, but they took their time issuing the warrant
[luisa||||] like months
[First_Incision] yeah, it's an overworked/overcrowded system
[luisa||||] so he figured he could coast until he saved enough to pay it off
[luisa||||] no, small towns are slow to issue, big cities are quick to
[First_Incision] do you live with your brother?
[luisa||||] god, no
[luisa||||] i moved out last month
[First_Incision] ok
[First_Incision] are they gonna set a bail?
[First_Incision] I could see luisa|||| getting a romantic involvement with a bounty hunter from all of this. It would make a good movie.
[luisa||||] haha
[luisa||||] most bounty hunters are not Extremely Attractive
[First_Incision] I've never known any
[county] I happen to hunt bounties.
[luisa||||] stop lying
[First_Incision] his lies are always worth telling
[luisa||||] haha
[First_Incision] heh, secret service snipers shooting at grassy knolls
[luisa||||] christ i'm hungry
[First_Incision] you should visit your local all-nite muslim eatery, and get some hommos. It worked for me.
[luisa||||] hummus, darling
[luisa||||] and the nearby all night ethnic place is greek here
[luisa||||] so it would be gyros
[First_Incision] that's how they spell it on the menu at my local restaurant. I think Usamah has taught us that u's and o's are the same thing
[county] I'll post your brother's bail, luisa, if you'll make me something with lamb while wearing a too-short skirt.
[county] Deal?
[luisa||||] i would do that for no charge whatsoever
[First_Incision] hey, you're Texan. I'll post his bail if you introduce me to a Bush daughter
[luisa||||] hahaha
[luisa||||] those girls are hard-drinking hussies
[luisa||||] whatever would you want with them?
[county] First_Incision needs a hard-drinking hussy.
[First_Incision] Republican beeotches. Irresistable
[luisa||||] heheh
[First_Incision] They have political connections!
[First_Incision] "Meeting the parents" would entail meeting the most powerful man in the world!
[luisa||||] uh, he's a figurehead
[county] For who?
[county] Please don't say the Illuminati.
[First_Incision] and that's a reason not to date his daughter?
[county] Are his daughters attractive?
[First_Incision] The Illuminati are irrelavant. It's all Al Quaeda now.
[First_Incision] county: yes.
[county] The more vowels that can be included in the spelling of "Al Quaeiedaa," the better, I say.
[First_Incision] http://www.newsrebel.com/Images/bush_daughters_pri celess_reduced.jpg
[First_Incision] Al Quaeda is the real-life world conspiracy.
[county] Is that them?
[county] They look drunk.
[First_Incision] yeah
[First_Incision] they are always drunk.
[county] I don't find hard-drinking women appealing.
[momocrome] those girls have caused untold suffering and terror?
[First_Incision] I find it reassuring that when Western Civilization finally implodes, it will be replaced by a global Caliphate, and not some lame Asian thing.
[First_Incision] or, E. Asian, I should say.
[momocrome] I think China is in the lead
[momocrome] they just hired a new guy to capitalize things
[First_Incision] China=COMMUNISM. There's no way.
[momocrome] nope
[momocrome] Zemin just retired and they put an MBA in place

fuckem all by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: -1, Flamebait

blogs are gay, but seriously wtf does anyone care that they are dumb fucks who need jobs or should work to improve the invornment if they care as much as they say.

damn hippies

Okay... by Dannon · 2002-12-13 03:14 · Score: 5, Funny

...so he's protesting logging, and logging the experience.

--
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.

Re:Okay... by dirvish · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 4, Funny

so is that a logweblog or loggingweblog or a logblog or an antiloggerbloglog?

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Re:Okay... by mac123 · 2002-12-13 03:55 · Score: 1

>>...so he's protesting logging, and logging the experience

Actually, he's protesting logging and logging the protest.
Re:Okay... by Bemmu · 2002-12-13 03:56 · Score: 1

Everyone needs a log, you're gonna love it long!
Re:Okay... by Monsieur_F · 2002-12-13 04:26 · Score: 1

Where are the Soviet Russia jokes when we need them ? ;)

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Re:Okay... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:32 · Score: 0

in Soviet Russia, loggers protest logging er.... protesters log protests errr...... something something YOU!
Re:Okay... by pulse2600 · 2002-12-13 04:46 · Score: 1

no it's an anti-logging log!
Re:Okay... by Raiford · 2002-12-13 05:41 · Score: 2

I guess it sounds like some kind of conviction there but folks in Humboldt County have no problem with trees as furniture after partaking of bowl of Humboldt Gold.

--
"player 4 hit player 1 with 0 stroms"
Re:Okay... by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 07:03 · Score: 0

In Soviet Russia, the tree protests YOU!

I wonder by burninginside · 2002-12-13 03:15 · Score: 5, Funny

how will he spell his scream as he falls out of the tree to his death

Re:I wonder by Mr.+Bad+Example · 2002-12-13 03:21 · Score: 5, Funny

"It says `The last words of the logging protesters may be found at www.aaagggggh.com'."

"Where?"

"www.aaagggggh.com."

"He must have died while typing it."

"He wouldn't have bothered to *type* 'aaagggggh'. He'd have just said it."

"Perhaps he was dictating."

"Oh, shut up."
Re:I wonder by _Sambo · 2002-12-13 03:25 · Score: 1

Here's one way:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA!!!

In honor of Charlie Brown, we'll put the silent (but deadly) -RGH on the end of the AAA's:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRG GGGGGHHH H!!!

Maybe he'll emulate Emperor Kusko from "The Emperor's New Groove": BOOOOOOOOO-YAAAAAA-HAAAAA-HAAAAA!

Pick 'yer Poison.
Re:I wonder by stratjakt · 2002-12-13 03:29 · Score: 2, Funny

And if there's noone around to hear it, will it really make a sound?

--
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Re:I wonder by Flounder · 2002-12-13 05:44 · Score: 2

God, I hope so. The thought of a treehugging hippie dying in complete silence is just to mime-ish. Gotta have at least some bloodcurdling screams, breaking bones, and maybe some chainsaws revving.

--
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova
Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 10:04 · Score: 0

You might want to ask this guy

Man dies after falling

So, shouldn't someone sue Earth First! for worker's comp?

Amherst-Fag and the Kuro5hin Abuse by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:15 · Score: -1, Offtopic

From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] advice?
Date sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:34:58 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0013)

Indeed, whimsy is an open account (for posting whimsical diaries) whose password is 'whimsy'. I've contributed some diaries (principally, "I was there watching the world go by" and "How to calculate your social security income") and so have felt free to abuse the account for comment posting in Anne Marie stories. My guess is the other whimsy poster is tewl, since she posted something about "oh, I didn't realize annemarie=cp" in k5tt a while back.

I share your incredulity. Anyone who reads through k5tt would know the truth. Anyone who suspected could do a search on my (cp's) comments and see I only post in anne marie's stories. Oh well. It's fun to see rusty defend me.

--- James <spiralx@spazmail.com> wrote:
> --- =?iso-8859-1?q?I=20am=20Troll?=
> <i_am_troll@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >I thought that you were Whimsy? Why did you just
> out
> >yourself and then ask us to mod it down? Explain
> now,
> >or I'll moderate the comment up.
>
> Nah, Whimsy is an open account anyone can use if
> they know the password, which is lost to me, but
> could be "whimsy". So at least one other person
> remembers the password and knows that cp is anne
> marie.
>
> What I'd like to know is how on Earth has cp managed
> to keep the fact that he is Anne Marie quiet so
> well? I mean, he hardly tried to keep it quiet with
> trolltalk posts and so on, and yet very few seem to
> know who Anne Marie actually is...
>
> J
>
> P.S. I really want to smoke. Bugger. Giving up
> sucks.

(This is CP0013)

Or rather... by Z0mb1eman · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: 1

...from the hmm-it's-getting-boring-up-here-with-no-internet-a ccess dept. :)

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Re:Or rather... by dirvish · 2002-12-13 03:22 · Score: 3, Funny

Yeah, you know they are just surfing for porn up there and doing their Christmas shopping on Amazon!

--
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,

but the weed... by c0nfucio-licious · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: -1

from what I hear, the weed from humboldt is the best in California.

--

"someone should make a hot air balloon that is shaped like a giant vagina" -- Bill Clinton

Stop the senseless and inhumane Beaver Picketing!! by OmenChange · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: 0, Offtopic

Do you know *exactly* how they picket a beaver? It would turn your stomach to know the details. They are kept in cages too small to even turn around, and that is the best part of their short lives, before the PICKETING begins... Too look at it, you'd never even think they could FIT the picket in the little bucktooth guys...

We need to get ORGANIZED to stop this insanity!

BEAVER PICKETING IS MURDER!

CAABP: Citizen Activists Against Beaver Picketing

IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:16 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Tree sits on YOU!

Amherst-Fag and the Text of Lameness by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:17 · Score: -1, Offtopic

From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Alyssa Milano
Date sent: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:20:14 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org
(This is CP0020)

She was that kid from Who's the Boss (and a Schwarzenegger flic), right?
Damn, she's aged gracefully. So how'd she get stuck doing 1800COLLECT ads
with Arsenio Hall, while Leonardo Dicaprio moved past Growing Pains and
into great roles like Total Eclipse? It's states like Ohio that do it, I
tell ya. Our nation is without taste.

Marc Stauffer <marc@ksac.com> wrote:

>THe Alyssa Milano E! true holywood story just started for anyone
>interested in her pouting breasts. 7:30 Eastern Standard. rev

(This is CP0020)

By MV - Why Scott Lockwood Sucks by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:17 · Score: -1, Offtopic

As quite possibly the only member of the old-school Slashdot trolls to ever actually attempt a serious and meaningful conversation with Mr. Lockwood (it worked, briefly), I feel compelled to comment on this.

That Geekizoid is an inanity is beyond dispute. That it is what it is almost entirely because of Mr. Lockwood is also beyond dispute. That Mr. Lockwood has, furthermore, contributed substantially to the deterioration of every site to which he has ever posted, save only those which were beyond redemption before he ever saw them (a category which arguably includes Slashdot), I will not dispute. That all of this, along with the other charges leveled against him, proves that Mr. Lockwood sucks, I will not dispute.

The real question behind all this, though, is not whether Mr. Lockwood sucks, but why Mr. Lockwood sucks. One might say that it does not matter, noting, by analogy, that one does not psychoanalyze a rabid dog, but instead simply puts it out of its misery. But it does matter, for in his own odd and frightening way, Scott Lockwood is Everyman. If you do not understand him, you do not understand anyone, probably including yourself.

Everyone, seemingly, detests Mr. Lockwood. Given that he had been married four times before he turned 30, this "everyone" may well include three ex-wives (last I heard, we're still waiting for his inevitable fourth divorce). From various anecdotes he has let drop over the years, there are a variety of real-life acquaintances, co-workers, and blood relatives in this category as well. So clearly, this is not just an online phenomenon; Mr. Lockwood is not a caring, sensitive man who lets off steam late at night by flaming people on weblogs. He is like this all the time. It is not a pose. It is the real Scott Lockwood, at 200 proof.

Mr. Lockwood himself is not unaware of this. He knows (and wishes it were not so) that dislike follows him around like the odor of alcohol trails after a drunk. But he has no idea why this is so. He knows it has to do with his abrasive and temperamental demeanor; he knows that his argumentative and self-righteous comments, and his complaints of being mistreated, win him no friends. But the connection between the cause and the effect, and the difference between his conduct and most other people's, escapes him. He has given up hope of understanding or improving the situation; he expects that it will continue, without change, for the rest of his life.

Mr. Lockwood does not understand that all of these things are symptomatic of a malaise that underlies his entire life. It is a condition that he was very nearly born with, and one which victimizes nearly all people to some degree. Most of us are not nearly as bad off as Mr. Lockwood; but there are some that have much more severe cases than him. Many rapists, murderers, and other violent criminals fall into that latter category. But even those of us who merely think ourselves better or smarter than everyone else, or who consider ourselves fit to decide what is right for everyone else, or who mock others for what they believe, are victims of this condition to some degree. I include myself in this; I do not claim (yet) to be speaking from a perspective completely outside the state of disease.

Mr. Lockwood's problem, to put it simply, is that he perceives the universe to be antagonistic to him. He has divided the universe into Self and Other, and decided that these two are eternal antagonists. Everything is his enemy; every action that anyone takes (other than to praise him), he perceives as some sort of attack, and he retaliates accordingly. He is convinced, although probably only subconsciously, that his life is a war in which he stands alone against all the forces of the universe. It is, in essence, the ultimate in paranoia.

As I wrote above, nearly everyone shares this condition to some extent. Many serial killers operate on the principle that, life being a never-ending battle that they will ultimately lose, they should take as many of the "enemy" with them as they can before they fall. But even ordinary people mostly act on analogous principles. Many people exploit the world around them in destructive or insensitive ways, or mistreat their fellow humans needlessly. This is all a consequence of defining the Other as an enemy; and this, in turn, is based on the fundamental error of dividing the universe into Self and Other.

What we all (Mr. Lockwood included) should strive for is an end to this division, which is really only a matter of mental habits, not an a priori property of existence. It derives from the infant's perception that part of what he perceives obeys his will and sends him sensory input (Self), and the rest does not (Other). The antagonism between these two hypothesized entities derives from the instinctive desire on the child's part to impose his will on everything; Other does not do what he wants, and is therefore the enemy. And so the infant makes the fundamental error that haunts him, in most cases, for the rest of his life.

This is what makes Mr. Lockwood tick. It is probably also what makes you tick. Think about that carefully before flaming him simply because his case is a bit worse than yours -- if indeed you are better off.

--mv

"blog"... ugh. by Quazi · 2002-12-13 03:17 · Score: 4, Funny

"Blog" is a stupid word. You know that, right? Okay then.

Re:"blog"... ugh. by Arthur+Dent · 2002-12-13 04:13 · Score: 3, Funny

Blog?
Is that what happens when you cut down a BTree?
:)
Re:"blog"... ugh. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 05:24 · Score: 0

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What about the BIRDS?!?!? by TrebleJunkie · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: 2, Funny

One of these days, you know, someone's gonna come along with evidence that 802.11 causes birds to fly into trees and buildings.

Do you think that'll stop the tree-climbing environauts from using it?

Of course not!

--

Ed R.Zahurak

You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.

Re:What about the BIRDS?!?!? by ekephart · 2002-12-13 03:29 · Score: 3, Funny

Rubbish, I say we put 802.11 access points ON the birds. Talk about redundancy.

--
sig
Re:What about the BIRDS?!?!? by Rhubarb+Crumble · 2002-12-13 03:35 · Score: 1

Rubbish, I say we put 802.11 access points ON the birds. Talk about redundancy.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a flock of african swallows with DAT tapes tied to their feet.
Re:What about the BIRDS?!?!? by Rude+Turnip · 2002-12-13 04:05 · Score: 1

Why put access points on birds when we have RFC 1149?

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Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
Re:What about the BIRDS?!?!? by scotch · 2002-12-13 04:52 · Score: 2

Never underestimated the bandwidth of an african locust storm with each lucust carrying a simm chip.
Never underestimate the bandwith of a herd of elephants with 8" floppies stapled to their hides.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a herd of north american antelope shot and stuffed with punch cards.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a anaconda threaded with optical fiber.

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XML causes global warming.

Komm Susser Todd by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: -1, Offtopic

I know, I know I've let you down,
I've been a fool to myself,
I thought that I could live for no one else.
But now, through all the hurt and pain,
It's time for me to respect,
The ones you love mean more than anything.

So with sadness in my heart,
Feel the best thing I could do,
Is end it all, and leave forevar.
What's done is done, it feels so bad,
What once was happy now is sad,
I'll never love again,
My world is ending.

I wish that I could turn back time,
'Cause now the guilt is all mine,
Can't live without the trust from those you love.
I know we can't forget the past,
You can't forget love and pride,
Because of that, it's killing me inside.

It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.

In my heart of hearts,
I know that I could never love again.
I've lost evarthing... evarthing...
Evarthing that matters to me matters in this world!

I wish that I could turn back time,
'Cause now the guilt is all mine,
Can't live without the trust from those you love.
I know we can't forget the past,
You can't forget love and pride,
Because of that, it's killing me inside.

It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.

It all returns to nothing,
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

It all returns to nothing,
I just keep letting me down, letting me down, letting me down.

Re:Komm Susser Todd by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 04:17 · Score: 0

Yay, I love that song.

Replies To Troll FAQ by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:18 · Score: -1, Redundant

Continuing the tradition of unearthing historical documents that have, until now, been lost to the mists of time, I present you with the original replies to the original Slashdot Troll FAQ, all from the previous millennium. I will be working hard to unearth, collect, and archive historical documents for the sake of preserving them for future generations of trollers.

* * * *

Dear God! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 09:05 AM March 16th, 2000 CST (#817)

You're more verbose than I am! I never knew that about you :)

I'd like to get my two cents in; mainly, I don't agree with your characterization of those who get trolled, for two reasons: (a) I've been trolled myself more than once :) (ask 70%), and (b) I just don't think of it as an adversarian relationship; they may sometimes be a bit clueless, but they're helping to make my troll a success and I'm grateful for that. Much of what I write is a "what's wrong with this picture" puzzle, and if so, I can hardly fault people for solving it, can I?

Another thing is that responders don't always spout conventional wisdom; in fact, I'd describe the libertarian/capitalist and misogynist RWMs as an exaggeration of conventional wisdom, at least the kind on Slashdot. The goal there IMHO is to get people to agree! You've also got people like the ones who explained the Quaker faith and the AFSC in my recent FBI troll: How many Slashbots know the AFSC from their elbow? Not many. There was a real need to inform people there, and I was hoping somebody would. The fact is, I meet a lot of nice, sensible people (nicer and more sensible than me, anyhow :) who respond to my trolls, and most of them are good sports about it when I tell them I'm a troll.

I'm also not comfortable with the "elite" thing. IMHO we should try not to congratulate ourselves too much. This gets back to the "adversarial relationship" thing, I guess. I'd like the tone of the FAQ to be more "letting them in on the joke" than "ha ha, sucker".

Next: Cri de coeur should be italicized, dammit! :)

Lastly: I dig the "ritual reaction" thing, but I couldn't parse the rest of that riff about metaphor and metonymy at all. IHBT? :)

--80md

* * * *

Re:God help us all ... (Troll FAQ) (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 08:11 AM March 16th, 2000 CST (#815)

destined to become a classic. when this is completed, i would post it nice and prominently on a few innocent, unsuspecting stories. with a link to it, wherever it finds a home. i can put it on my server... just email me the exact html you want to use and be sure to sign it.
-osm

* * * *

teeheehee (Score:2)
by gnarphlager on 06:46 AM March 16th, 2000 CST (#812)
(User Info)
God I needed something this morning. This works ;-) Much giggling was heard from my desk.

Anyway; give me some time, I'm sure I can add my two cents. I'm sure we're ALL going to mirror it on some webpage somewhere, but as for here on /., we can pass around maybe sid=trollfaq or even the more arrogant sid=faq ;-) Of course, we'd have to "refresh" it every two weeks, but it's better than nothing ;-)

I feel the desire to use the expression "gateway drug".

* * * *

Excellent! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 05:37 AM March 16th, 2000 CST (#811)

Now that rules! It needs to be posted somewhere where people can see it once it's completed. I'll definitely keep a copy on my website. Anyway, some more points to add:

Should I "feed" my trolls?

Feeding trolls needs to be done to people who outright flame your troll or who ask loads of dumb questions in an attempt to be reasonable. The longer their reply is, the better it is to reply to them. And if they get moderated up for their vacuous party-line response, troll them again :)

Anyway thanks for an amusing and (5, Insightful) read (or is it (-1, Offtopic)?) and I'll look foward to the finished version.

-- spiralx

Humboldt by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 0

Dude, they are probably so stoned, it doesn't even matter if the computer is on or not. Humboldt - excellent nuggets. Man, they're probably floating 47 feet above the ground. I thought this was Slashdot not Smokedot....

Obligatory Simpson's Quote by Cheeko · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 4, Funny

"And if you go up in the tree, you can't come down for anything, not a phish concert, not even for Burning Man"

At least now they can communicate a bit more with the world while sitting in the trees. Though one has to wonder how they recharge their laptops? Those would need to be some pretty long extension cords.

Re:Obligatory Simpson's Quote by plankers · 2002-12-13 03:23 · Score: 0

"Quit endangering yourself...
Quit endangering yourself...
Quit endangering yourself..."

Seriously, they are using those portable emergency power packs for vehicles, so someone must go out there and retrieve them and charge them again.
Re:Obligatory Simpson's Quote by Java+Ape · 2002-12-13 08:18 · Score: 1

They plug them into the currant bushes, silly!

huh? by stinky+wizzleteats · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: 0, Offtopic

What the hell is this, K5?

Esther Sassaman - Hotshot Journalist On The Rise by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Surely, Mr. Traficant is quaking in his boots at the prospect
of being interviewed by Ms. Sassaman. Ms. Sassaman's reporting
is the most hard-hitting; the most insightful; the most
fact-based. Every interview she does (how many... two now?) opens
a Pandora's box of corruption and intrigue.

Ms. Sassaman concocts many a rich fantasy in her clouded mind. Her
writing never seems to hit the mark. That is because it is never
based in anything resembling reality. How many times have we been
teased with suggestions of "having it cold" that a "certain large
company" is involved in far-reaching scandal? How many times have we
been promised penetrating interviews with the rich and famous?

I think it has become painfully obvious that Ms. Sassaman lives in
a world completely of her own manufacture. "I'm going to interview Jamez
Traficante." "I'm going to blow the lid off of nookie." "I'm going
to expose the corruption going on in Russian Blue cat farms."

Yes. We believe you, Esther. Now, go in for your schizophrenia
treatment and quiet down.

Now, there is nothing wrong with living in a fantasy. And there is
nothing wrong with setting goals for yourself. But Kuro5hin has had
enough of Ms. Sassaman's blatant and admitted trolling and attention
farming. After having read this diary entry several times, I can see
no other purpose than to say to all of Kuro5hin: "Look at me! I'm a
hot-shot journalist and I'm going to interview Jamez Traficante! Please
heap your adulation on me now!"

Sorry, not this time. Perhaps a better place to have posted this
diary would have been Adequacy,
which is the intended victim of this fantasy interview. What, pray tell, was
the reason for posting this here? To get more traffic for Adequacy,
which has been in steady decline for several months now? Probably. And,
of course, personal attention.

In summary, I guess I can only point out that I have spoken to people who
were under the influence of LSD and still had more grounding in reality than
Ms. Sassaman. Perhaps she would do well to pack her knapsack and hitch a
ride to China, where her delusions of grandeur and fantasies of conspiracy
could be put to good use in a propaganda machine.

Bye.

Amherst-Fag and the Mae Ling by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:19 · Score: -1, Offtopic

From: cptroll
To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Linux Magazine, Rubber and bolts.
Date sent: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:03:43 -0400
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org

(This is CP0032)

Aren't you still doing the Arkansas thing? Doesn't jive....

Craig McPherson <craig@laceyonline.com> wrote:

>Shut up, WILLIAM HENRY GATES. How does STEVE BALMER'S
>SEMEN taste??? Do you enjoy that AIDS-INFESTED JISM as you
>MASTURBATE to PHOTOGRAPHS of YOUNG CHILDREN?
>
>On 27 Oct 00, at 14:22, rev wrote:
>
>> I knew you were gdb you bastard!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Craig McPherson" <craig@laceyonline.com>
>> To: <k22320inchfan@methlab.nothing.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [k22320inchfan] Linux Magazine, Rubber and bolts.
>>
>>
>> > You should try MAXIMUM LINUX. It has MAE LING MAK. There's
>> > a picture of her in every issue wearing nothing but a VAIO! And the
>> > VAIO runs Linux! 'Cept she can't get the sound to work.
>> >
>> > MAE LING MAK is a SECURITY EXPERT. She wrote a
>> > SECURITY ARTICLE for MAXIMUM LINUX about ADVANCED
>> > SECURITY. She suggested that you PROTECT your e-mail from
>> > HACKERS, you do this:
>> >
>> > alias pine='blahblahblah'
>> > alias foo='pine'
>> >
>> > If you do this ADVANCED SECURITY stuff, an EVIL HACKER who
>> > breaks into your account an tries to read your e-mail with PINE will
>> > get an error when he types "pine", not knowing that to get into PINE,
>> > he ACTUALLY has to type "foo"! But MAE LING MAK knows, so SHE can
>> > read her e-mail but the EVIL HACKERS can't.
>> >
>> > Isn't MAE LING MAK smart? I like her ass the best.
>> >
>> > Also, you need to GO READ http://www.gnu.org/philosophy
>> >
>> > You don't not understand the BASIC CONCEPTS of FREE
>> > SOFTWARE. You don't understand the difference between
>> > PHYSICAL VALUE and INTELLECTUAL VALUE. A MAGAZINE
>> > has physical value, it costs MONEY to COPY and DISTRIBUTE. It
>> > exists as a PHYSICAL OBJECT, therefore it has PHYSICAL
>> > VALUE. SOFTWARE does not. It can be COPIED and
>> > DISTRIBUTED for FREE. Some EVIL SOCIALIST SOFTWARE
>> > COMPANIES try to CHARGE for software ANYWAY, and place
>> > RESTRICTIONS on the user's RIGHT to USE, and DISTRIBUTE it!
>> > They assign INTELLECTUAL VALUE to the software. This is
>> > morally WRONG. Get it RIGHT, fsckwit.
>> >
>> > Also, you're using MICROSOFT OUTLOOK EXPRESS, which
>> > proves you're STUPID.
>> >
>> > You can't compare a MAGAZINE to SOFTWARE, just like you
>> > can't compare YOUR MOTHER to a FEMALE. They're completely
>> > different things.
>> >
>> > SUCK IT DOWN AND CHOKE ON IT, AND DIE. SUCK IT DOWN
>> > AND CHOKE ON IT. SUCK IT DOWN. SUCK IT. SUCK. I'LL
>> > BURN YOU ALL ALIVE. I'LL BURN YOU ALL. I'LL BURN YOU.
>> > BURN YOU ALL. BURN YOU. BURN. BURN. BURN.
>> > BURNING. BURNING. BURNING BURNING FIRE. DEATH AND
>> > PAIN AND FIRE.

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Re:Amherst-Fag and the Mae Ling by areThoseMyFeet · 2002-12-13 03:24 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Wow! I've never seen so many capital letters in one place before! /AWE

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Amherst-Fag and the Educated Escort 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: -1, Offtopic

From: Ceee Peee
To: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
Subject: [k22320inchfan] What better way to spread the holiday joy...
Date sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: k22320inchfan@lists.io.com
(This is CP0009)

What better way to spread the holiday joy than to vote
up Anne Marie's new k5 article on pornography?
(http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2000 /12/25/225554/21&mode=mo
derate)
Pornography: it's what we do, so it's what we should discuss.

(This is CP0009)

Re:Sounds really interesting (pot/kettle) by gosand · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: 4, Insightful

I imagine there are lots of exciting things going on IN THE MIDDLE OF A FREAKING FOREST that would make these guys 'blogs really intresting.

As opposed to what? All of the really exciting stuff going on in your parent's basement? Since when have weblogs been interesting? Quite hypocritical for someone who probably plays games all day to rip on someone who is trying to help save the environment.

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Seems compulsory these days... by areThoseMyFeet · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: 1, Funny

Trees, eh? I'd love to see a Beow... oh, never mind.

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How much energy by FJ · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: 2

I wonder how much polution the power companies are producing to give them the electricity they need to do this.

Re:How much energy by jaeson · 2002-12-13 05:47 · Score: 1

Ever heard of Solar Power?

I have a portable power source that can be recharged with a solar panel. Combine that with an Inverter, and you can power your laptop for an additional 10 hours past the life of the battery. (I have done it.)

So, if they set it up right, the amount of extra pollution from the power is zero.
Re:How much energy by nathanm · 2002-12-13 15:50 · Score: 2

Ever heard of Solar Power? ...
So, if they set it up right, the amount of extra pollution from the power is zero.
Except for the many pollutants produced as byproducts in the manufacture of the photovoltaic cells.

Evil Is Good by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: -1, Offtopic

Why Evil is Good

I hate victims. Victims are the albatross hung from the neck of society. The
term is not even acknowledged by any other species. I am certain if there are
intelligent beings elsewhere in the universe, they follow the strict principle
of Natural Selection. Only the Strong shall survive. Mankind cannot survive
as long as its virility is diluted by the weak.

Peace-and-Love hippies, retards, cripples, depressives, sickling, addicts
and whiners are all victims of one kind or another. Larger examples of victims
can also be found: the entire nations of Israel and Englund, for example, are
constantly victimized and/or whining about their lack of power in the world. In
fact, the entire continent of Europe is nothing but a festering sewer of whiners
and welfare states. If we, the strongest nation on Earth, had a decent Ruler,
the entire junk-heap of Eurotrash would be burned to create a cloud of such lethal
density it would waft over to Asia and take out the victims that were left over from
World War II. The great black column of suffocating smoke would rise high into the
atmosphere, reaching for the very edges of outer space - a giant, living monument
to our strength. The unviable ashes of the once living garbage would orbit the Earth,
forever reminding future generations of the price of weakness.

World War II. Probably the greatest single era in the history of the planet, barring
the time before Man and Man's distorted, unnatural philosophies of "common good" and
"protecting the innocent". The time of Germany and its rule by a man of great vision.
A man who saw the virtue of evil. Every single class of victim described above was
dealt with in the harshest possible manner. Most people focus on the genocidal aspect
of Hitler's activities but his vision was much wider, encompassing every brand of
weakling from ethnic victims to sexual deviants. Unfortunately the United States,
led by a cripple, had to involve our great military might on the wrong side of the
war. The least Roosevelt could have done was to allow Germany to finish raping
France and reduce Englund to rubble.

We paid for our mistake in World War II. We were punished for choosing the wrong
side in the Great War by a period of non-violent "Cold War". The term "Cold War"
itself is the mark of the true Beast: the peace lover. A true leader - a Ruler -
would have unleashed the full might of our nuclear arsenal upon every nation on the
Earth, banishing them forever to particles of glowing dust blowing through the winds
of history. And look what our lack of action has gotten us: A planet filled with
human garbage, eternal sufferers suckling from the breast of the Mighty.

It is beyond my comprehension. Not only am I forced to allow the weak to survive,
but I - we - are forced to subsidize their pathetic existence. Every cripple
creeping along the sidewalk. Every degenerate elderly woman with osteoporosis who
parks in the handicap parking spot. Every worthless, lazy hippy who cries for peace
and marches on a public university. Every sickling child perpetually hospitalized
because its fetid welfare mother smoked too many drugs during her pregnancy. Every
30 year old retard wiping its nose all over its Scooby Doo coloring book. Every
drunk little whore seeking "justice" in our courts for her rape. All of them,
and more, deserve nothing but death. In the Natural World, every single one of these
leeches would be lion fodder.

Even the "Good Book", the Bible - which is actually nothing more than the sick fantasies
of opium addicts - predicts the outcome of Nature: "The meek shall inherit the Earth".
Yes, I know what you're saying, but you are wrong. This phrase has been twisted by the
weak, the cripple, the Jew to give their pathetic lives some ray of hope. This phrase
does not mean that the Victim will Rule the world. That is laughable. That is impossible.
The meek shall inherit the Earth for the one and only reason that they will be buried in
it.

To the strong who have read this: Thank you. Together, we will conquer. To the weak who
will whine in the comments below: Your days are numbered, trash.

Komm Susser Todd by Anonymous Coward · 2002-12-13 03:20 · Score: -1, Offtopic