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RFID: The New Big Brother ?

Makarand writes "The possibility that we could be tracked not because we have a microchip implant but merely because we wear clothes, eat and carry objects around is real according to this article on C|net news. A technology called RFID (radio frequency identification) consisting of miniscule microchips the size of a single grain of sand that listen to a radio query and respond by transmitting their unique ID can make this possible. Most RFID tags use the power from the initial radio signal to transmit their response and hence can be placed anywhere imaginable. Retailers are adoring this concept and soon everything more expensive than a Snickers bar will sport RFID tags making tracking possible through our own personal possessions. The privacy threat comes when RFID tags remain active once you leave a store and currently the RFID industry seems to be giving 'mixed' signals about whether the tags will be disabled or left enabled by default."

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  1. Simple enough... by Fesh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microwave clothes before wearing.

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    1. Re:Simple enough... by Crazieeman · · Score: 1

      I also vote for going to the bathroom more frequently.

    2. Re:Simple enough... by digitalsushi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No seriously-- is this more insightful than it is funny? Would this *actually* work? How many seconds?

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    3. Re:Simple enough... by rot26 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sure it would work.

      Just be careful. Certain synthetic fabrics (nylon for one) will catch fire fairly quickly in a microwave.

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    4. Re:Simple enough... by mfos.org · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes it will work, its how half of the theft prevention devices work. Look for the square stickers with the coil wrapping around a center square. These are the earlier counterparts to what they are talking about. The gates that check for the tag listen for the response from the tag by emmiting relatively low power signals. To disable the tag, higher power is output, frying the circuitry.

      So to "clean" your, you could emit broad spectrum high power RF noise and nuke the little bastards.

    5. Re:Simple enough... by Technician · · Score: 2

      It won't take very long. The antenna great at capturing RF power to overpower to the tag. The device due to it's size is unable to dissapate much heat. Throw it in with an old AOL CD. They should both be done at about the same time. It should be just a sec or so after the filament warms up in the magnatron.

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    6. Re:Simple enough... by fleener · · Score: 5, Funny

      Finally, my privacy electromagnet will go mainstream. (Until now it was only used to plug into your Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie.)

      Fleener's Law: 80% of conspiracy theories come true in time.

    7. Re:Simple enough... by Torqued · · Score: 1

      Garment Care Tag Addendum: do not wear clothes while microwaving

    8. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      These anti-theft stickers are not RFIDs. They do not store and respond with IDs. Instead they are simple oscillator circuits which influence the frequency of the detector oscillation. They are not disabled by microwaves but by a magnetic pulse which induces a current high enough to trigger the builtin "fuse".

    9. Re:Simple enough... by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This would actually work!

      I used to own a computer store, and we had problems when we had a "flaky" motherboard that would boot but was unreliable, and was still under warranty.

      The distributor would set it up, see it do something, and send it back to us. To fix this, we'd put it into a microwave oven for 3 seconds before shipping it back.

      That'd cook the chips on the motherboard without leaving any visible sign of problems. It would then show no signs of working, and they'd give us a whole new motherboard, and everybody was happy.

      Worked for RAM chips, video cards, sound cards, modems, etc. although we had the most trouble with motherboards.

      So why is this "funny"? Should be "informative"...

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    10. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happens if you microwave a harddrive?

    11. Re:Simple enough... by uncoveror · · Score: 2

      The answer may be simpler than that. Electrostatic Discharge, or ESD. A simple shock should fry these chips. Wald on a carpet, and touch any suspect item. POP! No RFID chip. Hopefully, "The Beast" will be as easily evaded.

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    12. Re:Simple enough... by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      100% cotton clothes, baby. Of course, all my pants will need button-flys, as the metal zippers in the microwave won't mix well.

      Kierthos

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    13. Re:Simple enough... by mfos.org · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's two types, the magnetic and the RF. Technically the magnetic ones don't have a fuse, but instead are disabled by magnetically saturating the metal. These are the most commonly used tags. The others are actual RF circuits. They don't transmit IDs, true, I shouldn't have given that impression, but the do respond to the broadcast in much the same way the rf tags do.

    14. Re:Simple enough... by operagost · · Score: 1

      The buttons are usually metal too, chief.

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    15. Re:Simple enough... by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 3, Insightful


      The answer may be simpler than that. Electrostatic Discharge, or ESD. A simple shock should fry these chips. Wald on a carpet, and touch any suspect item. POP! No RFID chip.

      Of course, that relies on actually knowing where the RFID device is embedded in the clothing. If it really is the size of a grain of sand, how would you know? I vote for the brute force microwave (BFM) method.

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    16. Re:Simple enough... by Greeneland · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I recently finished a server for a client that involved managing RFID tags. They have extremely short range, so anybody wanting to track you would probably prefer something that can support a greater distance.

    17. Re:Simple enough... by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microwave clothes before wearing.

      Or indeed, everything. If they can put it unobtrusively into a Snickers wrapper, what's to stop them putting it into the bar itself?

    18. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      synthetic...shudder...don't let unnatural fibers near your body. acceptable clothing materials are leather, cotton, wool (cashmere), and fur, that's it!

    19. Re:Simple enough... by kalos · · Score: 1

      Was my first thought as I got halfway through the first sentence on the main page.

    20. Re:Simple enough... by CopperDream · · Score: 0, Troll

      Would this be against the DMCA?

    21. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and they're a blast to peel off and stick on the side of some hapless idiot's briefcase in a mall!

    22. Re:Simple enough... by maetenloch · · Score: 3, Informative

      The buttons are usually metal too, chief.

      Put a cup of water in the microwave along with the clothes. It should absorb enough of the energy to prevent serious arcing and heating of the metal while still letting the RFID be fried.

    23. Re:Simple enough... by awfar · · Score: 1

      Hmm, someone may not want to know your instantaneous, exact position, but that you actually were in San Diego in the past two weeks when you said you were in Chula Vista; you said this because it was none of their damn business.

      While in San Diego you walked through the mall or went to Sears to buy a widget. You are had.

    24. Re:Simple enough... by jsin · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...buy a sewing machine...

    25. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ones you described, with a coil and a capacitor, are RF tags. The magnetic pulse is used to induce current. Make it strong enough and the current will blow the fuse. Induction is part of the principle which makes these things work in the first place. Further reading reveals that the "fuse" is actually a predetermined breaking point of the capacitor, which will change the resonance frequency of the circuit when it is overloaded. The detection works by measuring the amount of energy which the tag oscillator circuit absorbs from an electromagnetic field of a certain frequency, not by measuring frequency changes as written in the other comment. Real RFIDs use the absorbed energy to power a microcontroller and actively send information. The only "response" from an anti-shoplifting tag as we know it is that it absorbs energy. Such a tag is merely the "generator" part of a real RFID tag.

    26. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your digestive tract would either destroy or pass the offending granule.

    27. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the days of AST Computers, I had a problem with them sending refurbished (garbage) parts for warrenty service. To stop this, I used a method similar to yours: a taser to the sensitive areas (of the unit... get your mind out of the gutter). If I had reported a memory issue, I tazed the memory area of the MB; if keyboard, then I tased that plug and related chips; etc...
      This is simple and cheap, so used it on RFID tags, too. And, unlike a microwave, you don't risk melting your spandex shorts!

      On a side note: These RFID tags are intended to be put into the price tags, not the cloth/plastic/whatever of the product. So when you make a purchse, just throw away the dang tags before you get home. Ya, ok, you want to keep some tags just incase you need to return the item. If so, reread the fisrt part of my statement (taser).

    28. Re:Simple enough... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I recently finished a server for a client that involved managing RFID tags. They have extremely short range, so anybody wanting to track you would probably prefer something that can support a greater distance.

      You were probably working with one of the lower power models.
      I work for a company that manufactures and sells access control systems. We do everything from magstripe to proximity (read RFID) to bio-metric readers. And the idea that the prox type readers are only short range is wrong. Hughes Identity Corporation (HID) makes a higher power reader that is capable of reading at several feet. Mind you its bulky (about 18" per side and 3" thick.) and pulls a good bit of power, but it is accurate and can cover a doorway easily enough. We have several customers that use them for inventory control, you put one of the tags on each item, then, as it is moved through a doorway, it is read and tracked.
      The only draw back I have ever seen to these types of readers is that they have a rough time of it if you put 3 or 4 cards near them at once, they just refuse to read them. Also, if you put a switching power supply next to one, it all but loses its ability to read the card. Though, these are access control readers and so tend to avoid reading if conditions aren't just right (its a security feature).
      As for the idea of microwaving them, I don't know, I've never tried it. But from what I understand about them, it would probably work. If the antenna picked up enough energy, it might overcharge, and fry, the capacitor that is used to power the response circut.

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    29. Re:Simple enough... by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Informative

      No need for either broad-spectrum high-power RF or microwaves. It's easy enough to find out what frequencies the RFID tags use (usually fairly low frequencies). A relatively low-power transmitter operating on the frequency to which the device is tuned would fry it without arc-welding your zippers.

      Of course, such a transmitter would probably be declared a "DMCA circumvention device"...

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    30. Re:Simple enough... by Zirnike · · Score: 1

      For those interested, a more complete description can be found here: http://www.howstuffworks.com/anti-shoplifting-devi ce.htm

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    31. Re:Simple enough... by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      Won't work. The chip is entirely enclosed in insulating plastic. In order to be affected by ESD it would have to have leads that would allow the discharge to flow through it. It has none.

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    32. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There must be nicer versions then, the shipping industry has readers that can read an entire pallet of boxes at once, up to 255 tags, from over a meter away (the width of the pallet).

      They also can use them on conveyer belts as things move by at a pretty good clip...

    33. Re:Simple enough... by homer_ca · · Score: 2

      Your cell phone already does this to within 5-10 mi (soon to be several feet with E911). It's a transmitter that has to announce its presence to the nearest cell. It's real, it's happening now and it's all logged in your permanent record. Already been used in the Westerfield trial. It might be for a murder trial now, but what next? Traffic tickets?

    34. Re:Simple enough... by dnoyeb · · Score: 5, Informative

      You all are tripping. I worked on these things over the last year. The first approach should be the old fashioned Hammer.

      These are the same Tags that have been around for YEARS. Its what they tag whales with. Now their in your cars as passive anti-theft devices on the Luxury and expensive models. The keys have a chip in them.

      I dont think you will be frying this thing with any low power RF noise. Thats everywhere, and I have yet to loose an electronic device to it.

      This think is not a tick. It will not absorb energy till it pops.

      Microwave is an excellent idea. If its too small to be seen, its power output will be too low to be of consequence.

    35. Re:Simple enough... by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      Ever hear of ESD diodes? These are build into silicon devices. They also make silicon "rad hard". Physical damage, or zap in the microwave is the way to go.


      BTW: my employee badge has a unique RFID chip and antenna inside. That way the security group determines that I am allowed to go to work today. (not fired yet).

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    36. Re:Simple enough... by Kibo · · Score: 1

      There going to just add it to the already present anti-theft devices for clothes. Who gives a crap what you do when you leave a store.

      However, if you've ever had a reason to do inventory, it will become a much simpler endevor. Instead of hiring a one of those counting companies once a year, and the enormous, inconvienent (for customer and staff) setup, leave everything where it is, tell everything to chirp, let the computer count it all. Better inventory control means less lost/stolen/wasted inventory, and maybe even lower prices.

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    37. Re:Simple enough... by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Funny

      they have a rough time of it if you put 3 or 4 cards near them at once

      Sounds like the tin foil hat concerns could then be just as well addressed by carrying around lots of these RFID tags.

      Don your RF Mega ID shirt as if it were chain mail. Walk through detectors and presto!

      • You are a McDonald's Happy Meal, and
      • You are 2005 Porsche Boxster, and
      • You are a Victoria's Secret 38D, and
      • You are a pallet of 1.75 liter Jack Daniel's bottles.
      You are instantly a man of mystery and one fun dude!
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    38. Re:Simple enough... by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      Until all fabric has RFID weft...

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    39. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      (of the unit... get your mind out of the gutter)
      hehe, unit
    40. Re:Simple enough... by morleron · · Score: 1

      Ahhh! It's so nice when a relatively low-tech solution appears to cure a potential threat to "Life As We Know It"(tm). Now if only we can come up with something as simple for Palladium and Sen. Hollings' proposed DRM legislation. Maybe microwave the legislators?

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    41. Re:Simple enough... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just wondering... Did you ever have to microwave a microwave?

    42. Re:Simple enough... by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2

      It might be if the software related to these RFID bugs is not open souce, like Linux.

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    43. Re:Simple enough... by subreality · · Score: 1

      Why not the brute force ESD method? I own a tesla coil. Don't you?

      --Keepiru

    44. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not disabled by microwaves but by a magnetic pulse which induces a current high enough to trigger the builtin "fuse".

      I suppose you mean that microwaves aren't used in shops to deactivate them the "normal" way.

      A microwave induces a current several times higher than required to trigger the builtin "fuse" - it's the same principle, just 1,000 times more powerful.

    45. Re:Simple enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would probably even be cheaper to mix it in the bar's chocolate paste, at least if the cost of edible electronics isn't too high.

  2. Personal Challenge by 1stflight · · Score: 2

    I think it's going to be my personal challenge to find a way to "short out said devices" I'm thinking a microwave oven should do the trick. THe hard part, defeating an ingested tag, hmm... this could be a real problem, tracked until your bowels process the dammed thing out...

  3. Wow... by Slarty · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's nutty. Soon anyone who cares about privacy is going to have to EMP themselves before they can go anywhere...

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    1. Re:Wow... by ByTor-2112 · · Score: 2

      I agree. Just get buddy-buddy with the X-ray machine operator at your local airport and have all your RFID's fried!

      Of course from the consumer standpoint, the idea of this is ludicrous. Why should *I* have to disable these tracking devices? Shouldn't it be the other way around? That they have to ask my permission before trying to follow me around?

    2. Re:Wow... by Dman33 · · Score: 2

      That they have to ask my permission before trying to follow me around?

      No. What if you were a [gasp] terrorist...
      Besides, "if you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about."

      NOTE: This post is extremely sarcastic. Please do not flame. Thank you.

    3. Re:Wow... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Besides, "if you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about."

      I hate that phrase, even when used in jest. It gives me this nasty pit in my stomach. And I'm not even a total privacy freak.

    4. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is taken far enough, you could go around EMP-ing anybody, making said person a nobody (nuking all his/her IDs).
      This would of course be illegal. But then again... uh...

    5. Re:Wow... by Exedore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It gives me this nasty pit in my stomach.

      No worries... it's supposed to.

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    6. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the word "sterilization" will get a new connotation, as in:

      A: Are there any RFID bugs in you?
      B: Don't think so; I was sterile when I left my flat.

    7. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nutty. Soon anyone who cares about privacy is going to have to EMP themselves before they can go anywhere...

      Pish, I do it all the time...
      Bring up a console, type in IAMWARREN, and, bam, I'm covered in an EMP field.

    8. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how exactly does your console survive the EMP?

  4. Obligatory by Deacon+Jones · · Score: 1

    "so is that a RFID tag in your pants, or are you just happy..." Sorry.

    However, perhaps with this technology the need for a Private Investigator to track your cheating honey is eliminated. Did he/she REALLY stay late at the office, or were they calling you from the forbidden zone?

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't obligatory. That was stupid.

    2. Re:Obligatory by Torqued · · Score: 2, Funny

      "so is that a RFID tag in your pants, or are you just happy..."

      From the article:

      "RFID tags are miniscule microchips, which already have shrunk to half the size of a grain of sand."

      Um. Are you dating a chick from Fantastic Voyage or something?

    3. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, this coming from an AC who probably posts "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" shiznit.

    4. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, he must be. Oh wait, slashdot posters date? Now THAT's a funny suggestion. You date? yeah, right.

    5. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia the RF in your Pants AC POSTS YOU!

  5. New use for your microwave! by John+Harrison · · Score: 4, Funny

    Put your tracking enabled underwear in the microwave for 30 seconds and not only will they be toasty warm but you will be able to wear them anonymously. The problem comes when certain establishments mandate that you wear trackable underwear!

    1. Re:New use for your microwave! by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      "The problem comes when certain establishments mandate that you wear trackable underwear!"

      There is of course the tried and true GRITS-DOWN-PANTS approach. But maybe I'm just being old-fashioned.

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    2. Re:New use for your microwave! by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 1
      The problem comes when certain establishments mandate that you wear trackable underwear!

      What if you prefer not wearing underwear at all? Talk about a restriction to "personal freedom...."

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    3. Re:New use for your microwave! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely, even if you don't wear underwear (prefer skidmarks and peespots on your levis?), these chips will also be part of the cock-ring that you CERTAINLY must wear. Who doesn't have a cock-ring?

    4. Re:New use for your microwave! by Davzflower · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm. Trackable underwear. Yet another reason to shop for my boyfriend.

  6. Small receiver = NO RECEIVER; here is the fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Easy, figure out what frequency they receive on. Apply large near field signal at that frequency and ...TADA... no more RFID tag.

    1. Re:Small receiver = NO RECEIVER; here is the fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      large? what for, something to override the output from something that has to absorb radio waves to transmit. something the size of a penny would be overkill

  7. Lojack for Dogs by Lizard_King · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I believe that the majority of recently born puppies have a tiny microchip embedded in the back of their necks for similar purposes. I was shocked when I first heard of this practice (about a year ago), but I hear its quite accepted among dog owners. I can see the benefit for pets... ...but for humans? Scary.

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    1. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's NOT trackable. It's scanable. Big difference.
      Say your dog runs away and is found by someone. They take the dog to a vet/shelter. The dog is then scanned and the scanned code is then cross referenced in a database to WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBED.
      If you weren't in the database, there'd be no way to know you're the owner of hte dog.

    2. Re:Lojack for Dogs by nolife · · Score: 2

      My dog has one. It was standard policy for any dog adopted from the Humane society in Hawaii. I don't know if there are competing companies creating these but my current vet in VA has the ability to read the chip. I should probably update the location information on file somewhere as I would not want her being shipped back to HI if she was lost and found.

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    3. Re:Lojack for Dogs by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2
      I believe that the majority of recently born puppies have a tiny microchip embedded in the back of their necks for similar purposes.


      So they're born with microchips in their necks? What about endoskeletons?

      Aibo's were the T100 models. You must be talking about the T200 models. Next comes shape changing Rover to kill our resistance leader of the future...
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    4. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Enzondio · · Score: 2

      It's not even just for puppies. You can do it with your grown dogs as well and I think even cats and other pets.

      I think it's a great idea. If my dog gets loose and winds up at some shelter I WANT them to know who I am and be able to contact me. Plus I doubt my dog minds.

      If I were a parent I could also maybe see it for my kids (young kids, not necessarily teenagers).

      The problem comes when this kind of thing is either legally mandated or forced through by companies (i.e. you can't buy anything, get on a plane, etc. without having been tagged). Yeah it's possible to live your life untagged but that in and of itself makes you suspicious to the authorities.

    5. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah. For pets, there's someone (the owner) who has a legitimate reason for wanting to know where the pet is at all times. For adult humans ... there is nobody who has a legitimate reason for wanting to know where I am at all times. Not my employer, not the government, not my family -- nobody.

      My only real hope about the proto-Orwellian age in which we find ourselves living is that it will spark a massive backlash, and create a privacy movement comparable to the civil rights movement of the 50's and 60's, or the labor movement of the early part of the 20th c. Not just among the folks at the EFF and the ACLU, who come off as a bit fanatical to most folks, but something broad-based. (NB: I'm not calling the EFF and ACLU fanatical -- I support both organizations. But a lot of people think of them as "those nutjobs." I suspect that may be about to change ...) Because that's what it will take to keep Orwell's vision from coming true.

      I think there may be early signs of this. People may say that it's okay for the government to infringe our privacy in one way to "fight terrorism," or the RIAA to do so in another to "fight piracy," or some huge business to do so in still another for "market research," or whatever ... but if you can get people to think about it all at once, they realize what a Big Brother monstrosity our society can become, without our even noticing until it's too late.

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    6. Re:Lojack for Dogs by CharlieG · · Score: 2

      NOT great for cats

      I unfortunately found out about a cancer that cats suffer from - Vaccine Associated Sarcoma (VAS), which is highly aggressive, and usually fatal within a fairly short period of time

      Cats can get this from ANY injection (but it seems most related to the 3 year rabies vaccine), and can get it up to 5 or so years after the injection - the way they KNOW it comes from the injections is that it is at the injection site, and usually contains the adjuvinate from the injection

      Having a cat with VAS, I would never recommend any unneeded injection for them

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    7. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I were a parent I could also maybe see it for my kids (young kids, not necessarily teenagers).

      Might I suggest that it shouldn't even be done then? What happens when little Billy reaches his teenage years and his parents have long forgotten about the chip that it turned out they never needed? Depending on how young he was, he may not even know it's there. I find that very disturbing.

    8. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people refer to it as the Mark of the Beast.

    9. Re:Lojack for Dogs by foolish · · Score: 1

      Yet most vets won't even tell you that it is a risk. This is why they now give the injections in different locations, they still aren't SURE how/why cats get VAS. Like how most paedetricians won't tell you that the vaccine regimine for children in the US MAY be linked to increased chances of regressive autism.

      An alternative is to get your pet tattooed in the ear, mouth and/or belly.

    10. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The major registrar in the US is the American Kennel Club (even for cats, ferrets, birds, horses, etc).

      AKC Companion Animal Recovery has registered over 1.6 million pets as of December 31st 2002.

      As far as I can tell, small children don't count as pets -- they won't accept a registration for little Timmy. :-)

    11. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Zerth · · Score: 2

      Even worse, when little Billy goes to college for a biomed of physics degree and walks into the MRI or HE physics lab and gets the tag yanked out of the back of his neck by way of his left eye.

    12. Re:Lojack for Dogs by MikeVx · · Score: 1
      Some people refer to it as the Mark of the Beast.


      Wouldn't this be better refered to as The Mark in the Beast? (Failure during submission, apologies if it appears twice.)
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    13. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      The cattle industry practiced this for some time, too. They found, though, like breast implant materials, that the RFID chip wasn't where it was supposed to be in the body when they went to read the chip several days or weeks later. It migrated from area of the body to another - and it could be anywhere.

      So, a practice meant to speed cattle inventory only slowed things down to a crawl. I imagine that handheld RFID wands were used and that the large RFID readers that surround garage bay doors weren't used in this project. (The large garage door bay RFID readers surround the outer edge of the door and receive & transmit signals from RFID chips that pass through the door. This allows entire crates, or pallettes, of goods to be moved around a complex and still be accounted for.)

    14. Re:Lojack for Dogs by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 1

      Cats can get this from ANY injection (grandparent post)

      and

      An alternative is to get your pet tattooed in the ear, mouth and/or belly (your post)

      So you are saying several thousand injections (intra- or subdermal) of ink is better than one injection (intramuscular) of vaccine?

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    15. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Enzondio · · Score: 2

      I agree, I don't know that I would advocate actual implants. But if this could be placed in his shoe or something like that. That's more what I had in mind.

    16. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The puppy microchips don't broadcast and can't be used as tracking devices. You need a reader in close proximity to the chip to elicit a signal which is a registration number. You then check the reg number to find out who owns/registered the dog.

      It's like a high tech dog tag, useful for recovering lost or stolen dogs. Problem is there are >1 incompatible systems so whether it is useful depends upon whether or not your local pund has the appropriate reader

    17. Re:Lojack for Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...there is nobody who has a legitimate reason for wanting to know where I am at all times...

      A sentiment not everybody shares, not even everybody in America. There's nothing in the constitution about "freedom from somebody else knowing where you are".

      (Kind of ironic I'm posting anonymously, huh?)

      ...what a Big Brother monstrosity our society can become...

      Those people who have actually read Orwell know that Big Brother was about controlling what people do and think (and torturing and brainwashing them if they didn't fall in line).

      I'm not a fan of the RIAA or the Bush administration, but I don't think anything they've done puts our society even in the same league as 1984.

      Using loaded words like that doesn't do anybody any good. Let's try to keep the discussion more civil.

  8. See? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I've got a reason for advocating nudity....

    1. Re:See? by radish · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm....lets see...

      Nude LAN parties *shudder*

      Please take that thought out of my head!

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    2. Re:See? by jot445 · · Score: 1

      Just don't eat one of the little buggers that's been inserted into your Big Mac. You would be trackable for at least that day (or so, depends on your cycle). Looks like EMP is the way to go. Anyone know where I can pick up a personal unit?

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    3. Re:See? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radish (RFID #1195474837) wrote:
      Nude LAN parties *shudder*...Please take that thought out of my head!

      OK, I've got a lock on you... but you'll have to take off that damn tinfoil hat!

    4. Re:See? by Nan0c · · Score: 1

      Eww... That just made me cough up a chunk of my lunch.

      (note to self, don't read /. at lunch again)

  9. Good for the environment by CrazyJoel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you find a Snickers wrapper on the ground you could read its RFID and track it back to the person who bought it and fine him for littering.

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    1. Re:Good for the environment by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 2

      Best application I can imagine!

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    2. Re:Good for the environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no officer, i threw that wrapper in the trash. a dog or a hobo must've gotten into the trash, knocking my properly deposited wrapper onto the ground.

    3. Re:Good for the environment by DeltaSigma · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As another reply stated, this is the sort of crime one must witness.

      What if you buy a candy bar for a friend and HE litters with the wrapper? What if your wrapper just happened to fly off of a garbage truck?

      Man, people are just itching to make a criminal out of anybody...

    4. Re:Good for the environment by Rat+Tank · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, but there might be a fair use of dropping a snickers wrapper, man! Not all people who do that are criminals! They might've dropped it in case.. erm... backups... erm scratched snickers.. erm... someone help me out here with a flimsy fair use rationalisation?

    5. Re:Good for the environment by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      More likely the cop did. Now cops and feds can not only find out what you buy by rifling through your garbage, they can find out when, where, if, and how you paid for it. Smells like TIA.

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    6. Re:Good for the environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face it, we're all already guilty of a crime. That's becaused the only real power government has is to make us criminals.

    7. Re:Good for the environment by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 2

      "If you find a Snickers wrapper on the ground you could read its RFID and track it back to the person who bought it and fine him for littering."

      Or if you're a cop who needs to meet his quota, you could pull some wrappers out of a trash can, take a picture of it on the ground as "proof", then do the above. That's assuming the trash can doesn't have its own microwave to protect its users.

  10. cool by tps12 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is actually just what I've been wishing for. You know when you've misplaced something in your house (my favorite pencil, for a recent example from my own life, though "house" is maybe being charitable), and you spend hours tearing everything apart and then it turns out that it's just lying there somewhere in plain sight?

    I always wish, both during and after such a quest, that I could have just whipped out a tricorder (or device of a similar form factor) and scanned for whatever I'm missing, and it would start beeping or blinking on the screen or whatever. It would save hours of time for all but the most type A people.

    It would also be a boon on the golf course. And for finding your kids when they wander off at Disneyland. Really, all I can think about is good applications of this technology, so bring it on!

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    1. Re:cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think battery-less RFIDs have a working range of only a few inches. So you are still stuck with crawling on your hands and knees looking for balls on the golf course.

    2. Re:cool by swv3752 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And you expect to find this tricorder thingy if you can't keep track of a pencil?

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    3. Re:cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, what if you need your tircorder and can't find it? Dooh!

    4. Re:cool by Gudlyf · · Score: 2
      The problem arises when you lose the tricorder itself.

      Tricorder salesman: "Sir, it says here this is the third tricorder you've bought this week. Is that right?"
      You: "Er, yeah, I lost the tricoder that I use to find my lost tricorder...heh heh..."

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    5. Re:cool by kzinti · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you expect to find this tricorder thingy if you can't keep track of a pencil?

      Not just any pencil - his favorite pencil. "Oh damn, I've lost another tricorder. And that one was my favorite!"

    6. Re:cool by pclminion · · Score: 2
      You know when you've misplaced something in your house (my favorite pencil, for a recent example from my own life, though "house" is maybe being charitable)

      Heh. When that happens to me, most of the time it turns out to be in my left hand. One time I caught myself tapping the desk with it, muttering "Where the hell is my pencil?"

      I'm losing it, man. Really losing it.

    7. Re:cool by hfastedge · · Score: 1

      actually, to draw an analogy, RFID is more like bluetooth, and the human implantable things are like wifi/cdma.

      They actually have other devices designed specifically for humans like http://www.digitalangel.net/

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    8. Re:cool by CvD · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I've often wished for this too. There was actually one time where I was looking for something in a room and I'd been doing stuff on the computer all day and I thought to myself, "hey, I'll just ctrl-f"... after which realizing that there was no such thing (yet). Kinda funny.

      But now ... maybe. :-)

      Cheers

  11. What? by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The submitter is acting like this is the first time He's heard of RFID. The idea has been around for years and they're only now getting to the point where they're going into.

    RFID tags need to be printed on paper, so unless you have something like a magazine you'll be able to get rid of the RFID tags just by removing the wrapper or sales tag. Duh. It's not like these things are going to be attached to everything permanently just while they're in the store. It's basically a replacement for the barcode.

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    1. Re:What? by agentofchange · · Score: 1

      Where in the artile does it say that the "RFID tags need to be printed on paper" ?

      What it does say is:

      KSW-Microtec, a German company, has invented washable RFID tags designed to be sewn into clothing.

    2. Re:What? by rot26 · · Score: 5, Informative

      RFID tags need to be printed on paper

      Wrong.

      For one, it depends on the type of device. The ones you see embossed on paper are essentially just antennae that resonate at a certain frequency. There are other versions that are MUCH more sophisticated, though, AND active to boot, and manufacturers ARE anticipating imbedding them in a lot of products permanently (if for no other reason than to save the stores the labor costs of removing them.)

      Do you think the little mylar strips in US money are for COUNTERFEIT protection??? haha. Stack up a few 20's and it wouldn't be hard to spot them at all using the same technology (i.e. finding the resonant frequency of a passive radiator consisting of an array of mylar strips of known size stacked a known distance apart.)

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    3. Re:What? by radish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except you have to know those distances EXACTLY for it to work. And guess what? You don't. What if the note gets folded, or even crumpled? or if I stack them not-entirely-straight, or if the strip is off centre (haven't seen the US ones yet) and I stack them different ways around?

      Oh, and most countries have had metal in their notes for years now (and more than one colour too! and holograms! and see through windows! and textured ink!). It IS an anti-conterfeiting measure, and not a moment too soon, seeing as how the USD is by far the most easily copied major currency in the world.

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    4. Re:What? by Zathrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you think the little mylar strips in US money are for COUNTERFEIT protection

      Do you think they're for TRACKING YOU? haha.

      Lord. My brother used to work on the theft prevention systems they use at stores -- you know, the little magnetic strips on clothing and other goods that would set off the alarm if not deactivated first. This is not considerably different from RFID or the mylar strips in bills.

      Do you have any idea how easy they are to defeat? Bend the strip and you change its resonant frequency. Put two strips up against one another. Wrap them in tinfoil. Any one of a half dozen other methods.

      As usual, they only work against the idiots, which so happens to be 90% of your criminals.

      And, of course, your rampant conspiracy theorists who don't actually have any bloody clue how reality works.

    5. Re:What? by costas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I consult for very large retailers... for all the privacy rants on /., when RFIDs become widespread, I bet you you will hear practically no complaints? Why? instant checkout.

      That's what has grocers drooling over this (well, the super-automation of the supply chain and a tighter control on shrinkage too, but this is the killer app). Walk up to the register with your shopping cart, hand over your credit card and get back you receipt and a bunch of shopping bags. Wheel shopping cart to your car and pack your groceries there.

      No loading-reloading at the cashier's, almost no lines, fewer employees at the store. Even a small error rate for the RFIDs will be acceptable just due to the payroll savings involved. And for the tinfoil-hat wearing crowd: for most goods sold at retail (not currency, or expensive stuff like high-end clothes, watches, etc) RFIDs are practically not different from bar-codes. So what's the problem there?

    6. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you counting all criminals in that number you magically made, or criminals who were idiotic enough to be caught? :)

    7. Re:What? by Unholy_Kingfish · · Score: 1

      I think that if you can disable the tag easily they are fine. But the real issue is when the manufactures start embedding them into the packaging themselves, which can't be removed easily. As if the plastic of a DVD case, wrapper of a piece of candy, in the soles of your shoe. The main purpose is so they can't be removed; so having them removable is defeating the whole purpose of having them. For example we will use a candy bar. The tag is embedded into the wrapper. You leave the store and pay for that item. You put it in your pocket to eat it later, and leave. You go to another store to purchase another item. You walk through checkout and that same candy bar gets rescanned and you get charged again. You could rewrap the candy. But how practical is that? You now have go to stores with nothing on you. Every item you have might still have the tag in it somewhere and set off the checkout scanners and you have to pay again. That would be all negated if there were a way to kill the tags. But right now they are a passive product that doesn't die unless you really destroy it. Good luck finding a tag the size of a grain of sand in the paper wrapper of your candy bar.

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    8. Re:What? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please put tinfoil hat back on bucko... you're starting to drool.

      The mylar strips in US currency are not RFID tags or anything similar. They are an anti-counterfeiting measure.

      As inexpensive printers got cheaper, many counterfeiters were bleaching $1 and $5 bills and printing phoney $20 and $100 bills on the paper. Most counterfeit money is detected by bank clerks who can feel the difference in paper quality.

      The mylar strip (which is not present in $1 and $5 bills) makes it easy to spot bleached counterfeits.

      The European Union addressed this problem by making each demonination of currency a different size.

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    9. Re:What? by Kallahar · · Score: 2

      The problem: Distance. RF can be read at huge distances, and can be done passively (utilizing other activation sources). So while you may not mind letting the store know what you just bought, how about the criminal in the parking lot waiting for someone to come out who is broadcasting that they just bought $200 in alcohol?

      Travis

    10. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people are insane. Don't give a retailer your personal information and they'll never be able to track you. All anyone wanting to use these devices for tracking will know is that a pair of Bugle Boys entered the McDonald's at 12:05pm, and exited 25 minutes later. Big whooptie doo.

      Is the local government going to use circumstantial evidence that a man, wearing Tommy Hilfiger, was in the vicinity of the crime and get a search warrant to check my clothes because I may have purchased a pair recently?

    11. Re:What? by throbbingbrain.com · · Score: 1

      Active RFID tags are too expensive per unit for mass use, too large, and too fragile.

      Inkode RFID tags are passive, sophisticated, inexpensive, and durable. They can be embedded in paper or manufactured within other products.

    12. Re:What? by Shalda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, I remember being promised this a decade ago. Check out a cart at a time. Maybe, if they made the carts out of plastic. But no, you'd still need to unload and run things down the coveyer. Someone still needs to weigh my produce. Someone has to deal with the 3% failure rate and the 16 year old with the Anarchist's Cookbook (23rd Edition) who built a transmitter and fried half the RFIDs in the store. So here I am in the year 2031 still waiting in line for 15 minutes just so I can buy a box of Cheerios and a couple of bananas.

      I hate technology.

    13. Re:What? by TwoStep · · Score: 2

      Not a problem, becuase the RFIDs are unique numbers. Each candy bar would have a different number, and the store would know which ones were on the shelves and which ones had been sold already.

      Twostep

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    14. Re:What? by costas · · Score: 2

      Produce is indeed a problem, but there are solutions already: packaged produce or stores-within-a-store for produce (just like delis already are).

      RFID failure rate and shoplifting (RFID hacking is shoplifting by another label) will just be different forms of shrinkage. Retailers already can figure out shrinkage (by doing intermittent store counts and compare actual inventory to receipts-sales) and then add the cost of shrinkage to their cost basis. I.e. we all end up paying for the shoplifters anyway.

      If the retailer's cost basis moves downward enough by lower personnel costs, higher shrinkage may still add up to lower costs overall. In due time, it will.

    15. Re:What? by MikeVx · · Score: 1
      No to defend the idea, but as each ID is to be unique:

      I think that if you can disable the tag easily they are fine. But the real issue is when the manufactures start embedding them into the packaging themselves, which can't be removed easily. As if the plastic of a DVD case, wrapper of a piece of candy, in the soles of your shoe. The main purpose is so they can't be removed; so having them removable is defeating the whole purpose of having them. For example we will use a candy bar. The tag is embedded into the wrapper. You leave the store and pay for that item. You put it in your pocket to eat it later, and leave. You go to another store to purchase another item. You walk through checkout and that same candy bar gets rescanned and you get charged again. You could rewrap the candy. But how practical is that? You now have go to stores with nothing on you. Every item you have might still have the tag in it somewhere and set off the checkout scanners and you have to pay again.


      For items purchased elsewhere:
      Register: Scanned Tag 756392
      StoreComp: Item not in store inventory, ignore.


      For that candy bar you bought yesterday and left in your pocket when you go to the same store:
      Register: Scanned Tag 756392
      StoreComp: Item previously purchased, ignore.

      That would be all negated if there were a way to kill the tags.


      Even if the tags remain active, stores have an incentive to use them to avoid false customer-theft accusations. The accused customer could always demand the item be traced by the manufacturer, and woe to the store that finds out it was purchased across town after accusing a customer of shoplifting.

      As inventory tracking is a good thing for merchants, items would be scanned upon arrival for both tracking and checkout-error avoidance.
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    16. Re:What? by srmalloy · · Score: 2
      RFID tags need to be printed on paper, so unless you have something like a magazine you'll be able to get rid of the RFID tags just by removing the wrapper or sales tag. Duh. It's not like these things are going to be attached to everything permanently just while they're in the store. It's basically a replacement for the barcode.

      Even if they _do_ need to be printed on paper, why do you assume that the exterior packaging is the only place that the tag can go? Books -- bury the tag in the binding. Magazines -- in the binding strip of cardstock ad inserts. Electronic gear -- unless the case is a Faraday cage, you just stick the tag to the inside of the case. Larger appliances -- most of them have enough plastic on the exterior to allow a tag to be molded inside. Credit cards -- the way they're going with smart cards, this would be redundant.

      There are enough ways to hide the tag in products that worrying about them on products is a waste of time.
    17. Re:What? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2
      As another reader mentioned, most RFID tags use unique ID's per tag, not per item, so they really would have to have an inventory mapping each tag's ID to an item.

      Your points are valid, however I can see a way to use these that might actually help protect the innocent shopper. If they set up a scanner on the IN door, they can record what you had on you coming in and know not to alert (or prosecute) if these items leave thru the OUT door.

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    18. Re:What? by Cyclometh · · Score: 2

      You could couple the idea of RFIDs with 3D printers and pretty much put an RFID in any mass-produced electronic device. It could be embedded in the housing and you'd never be able to get to it.

    19. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do you think they're for TRACKING YOU? haha.

      No. They're for easily detecting large amounts of bundled cash at places like border crossings, package handling facilities, and airports.

      Lord. My brother used to work on the theft prevention systems they use at stores -- you know, the little magnetic strips on clothing and other goods that would set off the alarm if not deactivated first. This is not considerably different from RFID or the mylar strips in bills.

      Actually, it's the same technology, and FWIW my brother-in-law is an exec (and former engineer) at Sensormatic, and I am fairly familiar with the technology.

      Do you have any idea how easy they are to defeat? Bend the strip and you change its resonant frequency. Put two strips up against one another. Wrap them in tinfoil. Any one of a half dozen other methods.

      It's not going to be any more foolproof than any other SINGLE technology. It's just a tool in the toolkit. You don't necessarily HAVE to know the exact resonant frequency anyway... just sweep and look for a suspicious signature return. By the way, do you know a lot of coke dealers who routinely deform and/or shield their money in aluminum foil when they stuff it in the trunk of their car? Ever see the stacks of money the DEA displays after big busts? Did you think that they carefully unwrapped and/or smoothed and stacked into into neat bundles before they took the picture?

      As usual, they only work against the idiots, which so happens to be 90% of your criminals.

      So you agree with me after all? You were sounding rather condescending there for a minute.

      And, of course, your rampant conspiracy theorists who don't actually have any bloody clue how reality works.

      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

    20. Re:What? by benzapp · · Score: 2

      So what's the problem there?

      Oh, nothing, just technology making human work more and more irrelevant.

      Millions of people work as retail clerks... I can only imagine what will happens once they are rendered even more obsolete than they already are.

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    21. Re:What? by MrScience · · Score: 2

      So, what happens when you buy a keychain fobb at Safeway? Do you get charged every time you go through checkout?

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  12. Defense by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Topless Bars and Horsetracks will likely be the first places to devise RFID shields, offering safe havens for their customers!

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    1. Re:Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  13. Another way to go. by Absurd+Being · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Coat yourself with hundreds of thousands of the little tags. A chaotic radio shout in reply to a sensing whisper should make the devices less than usefull. Bury these buggers in information.

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    1. Re:Another way to go. by dattaway · · Score: 2

      I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to program a cheap microcontroller to give out thousands of random numbers every second. To make it stealthy, fashion it into an item of trash, junction box, or a stick-on box onto the wall next to the coils. No battery needed, since its powered by the magnetic field!

    2. Re:Another way to go. by guido1 · · Score: 1

      There is already too much information for them to track... If there is a tag on everything down to a snickers bar, think of the sheer number of unique ID's... Think of the size of the database necessary to track you, the 10,000 items you have with an ID, whether or not you sold/gave the clothes/snickers bar/etc to anyone else...

      It's just not feasible.

    3. Re:Another way to go. by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Sure it is. But probably not in the way that you might think. I remember that some razor company (Gillette???) was going to use them in their warehouse. Just wave a sensor over a pallet and you could get instant information about how many razors are in it, batch number, when they were made, etc.

      I don't think that Target is going to start tracking the movements of the snickers bar at the register, but they can use them for anti-theft, inventory purposes, etc. It also could easily identify a shirt as to if it was purchased at a location.

    4. Re:Another way to go. by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to program a cheap microcontroller to give out thousands of random numbers every second.

      In theory this could be defeated - if you only sent out thousands a second.

      Suppose they read your ID for 5 seconds. Chances are they are going to get random numbers, plus a single number repeated 100 times. Guess which one is the real ID?

      Or, suppose they get the real ID just once. And suppose you sent a million false IDs. They check their database, and they find that only one of the IDs is present - so that is the real one. Why is only one present? Well, there are 2^64 possible combinations, so if you send 10^6 values, there is a 10^6/2^64*(number of valid IDs) chance of you hitting a valid ID. Suppose there are a trillion IDs in existance (a pretty big number). Then the chance of hitting a valid ID is 0.005%. That is assuming the real RFID code is only sent once, and of course assuming the receiver can read the barrage of IDs. While I'm sure this would cost more, keep in mind that while the ID has to be very cheap, the receiver does not.

      Also, note that the only people who are going to build receivers that do this are people who are INTERESTED in tracking you. Having a jamming device like this is going to advertise "I have something to hide" to anybody who looks at the logs. (Not that this SHOULD be the case, but the fact is that it will be - just like sending PGP'ed email while that isn't the norm.) You really want a jammer which either is undetectable, or which completely blocks the ID itself so that while it might set off an alarm, you remain anonymous. (Of course, if this were a real security checkpoint you could be detained or photographed.)

    5. Re:Another way to go. by petepac · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's nothing new. I have a friend that carries around one in his wallet one of those antenna squares that didn't get zapped at the register. Store security people just love him. So your idea has some real merrit.

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    6. Re:Another way to go. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Also, note that the only people who are going to build receivers that do this are people who are INTERESTED in tracking you. Having a jamming device like this is going to advertise "I have something to hide" to anybody who looks at the logs. (Not that this SHOULD be the case, but the fact is that it will be - just like sending PGP'ed email while that isn't the norm

      Indeed. As a signal intel analyst in the army, the fact that a certain TYPE of encryption was being used was often more important than the content of the message. When an East German armor regiment sent out a message using a code way too sophisticated for your average east german comms soldier, you knew there were Soviet Army bigwigs there with their OWN comms guys. "Intelligence" folks work at all different levels, so you have to be careful not only of what you say, but also what you DON'T say, and also WHEN you say it...

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    7. Re:Another way to go. by Absurd+Being · · Score: 1

      Initially, I was thinking of these devices as dust sized motes. When they reach this size, jamming can still be possible by using the devices as chaff, left and sprayed over people, objects, etc by the millions, and thus wiping out the power of people interested in tracking you. Anonymity is only possible when everyone has their information hidden.

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    8. Re:Another way to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The author of the Cnet story goes a long way to confuse this issue. Nothing as small as a grain of sand can receive and transmit useful radio signals (in a normal noisy environment). It is not until the end of the article that he admits that they need at least a 1/2 inch antenna.

    9. Re:Another way to go. by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Interesting. But why didn't the Soviets just sometimes send out bogus noise messages that appeared to be encrypted that way, in order to "drown" you?

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      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    10. Re:Another way to go. by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      But why didn't the Soviets just sometimes send out bogus noise messages that appeared to be encrypted that way, in order to "drown" you?

      That is a standard countermeasure used by systems like the mixmaster remailer - which generates dummy traffic so that you can't track a packet from point A to point B.

      I'm sure the russians did some stuff like this. But I think they had no idea of some of the technologies the US was deploying in the area of electronic espionage. The US got half of its intelligence in the clear. High-level officials in Moscow used cell phones not realizing that satellites overhead could pick up the signals. Phone lines were run in the clear over undersea cables that could be tapped by submarines. The Russians relied more on human intelligence and didn't have the same need for electronic intelligence - hence they didn't do the brainstorming to realize the sorts of things that could be done.

      In warfare half the challenge in mounting a surprise attack is mobilizing your troops without the enemy realizing it. Half of the negotiations with the UN in the current Iraq situation is probably a design to confuse those wondering exactly when the bombs will start dropping. Gee - the December deadline passed and nothing happened. Then the same thing will happen in Jan. Then suddenly on a Tuesday night in Feb that seems insignificant every bomb in the arsenal is falling. If Iraq knew when the attack was coming they could try to take countermeasures (scramble all fighters, move all your missles at the last minute to confuse the careful preplanning). If they were to move the missles now, they would just get spotted more easily and be even easier targets when the attack does start.

    11. Re:Another way to go. by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2
      Interesting. But why didn't the Soviets just sometimes send out bogus noise messages that appeared to be encrypted that way, in order to "drown" you?

      Well, like the other guy said, electronic warfare wasn't their strong suit. We had digital burst-coded frequency hopping datalinks, and they were using freakin' morse code. They had trouble getting their guys on the receiving end to turn to the right page in the damn codebook. I can't tell you how many times we'd see this situation: sender transmits coded message (usually ten or twenty groups of 3 or 4 digits), the receiving end says "retransmit - unable to decode" some 5 or 6 times, then the sender says (essentially) "fuckit - here's the message UNCODED, moron". This gave us the meaning of 10-20 blocks in the code table. After a day or 2, we'd have 80% of the code table filled in. And yeah, they'd change code tables, but the more often they changed 'em, the more likely it was that some conscript soviet radio monkey was gonna get confused. They just couldn't win. Really, the soviets were no match for us after ~1985. Even during the Gulf War, with less training and worse equipment, the Iraqis exercised MUCH better radio discipline than the soviets ever did.Of course, every time an Iraqi would key up his radio mic we'd DF his location and call in either artillery or AH-64 Apaches on his location, so they had the benefit of the School of Hard Knocks going for them...

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      If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
    12. Re:Another way to go. by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      Of course, every time an Iraqi would key up his radio mic we'd DF his location and call in either artillery or AH-64 Apaches on his location, so they had the benefit of the School of Hard Knocks going for them...

      Or maybe it was just natural selection...

  14. Future Shopping Predicted? by futuresheep · · Score: 2

    Welcome back to The Gap...

    1. Re:Future Shopping Predicted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you say "Welcome back, Mr Yakamoto" ??

    2. Re:Future Shopping Predicted? by futuresheep · · Score: 2

      That's it! Couldn't remember the name. Figured someone would.

  15. And they thought I was mad... by CommandNotFound · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...wearing my tinfoil suit, but who's laughing now?!?

    1. Re:And they thought I was mad... by killmenow · · Score: 1

      I prefer bubble-wrap.

    2. Re:And they thought I was mad... by mcgroarty · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just checked, and your foil suit's RFID is 208350830850934:0304. Sleep well...

    3. Re:And they thought I was mad... by DreamingReal · · Score: 1
      Your post is at the mod limit, so how about a "Thanks" for the great laugh!

      --
      We want some answers and all that we get
      Some kind of shit about a terrorist threat

      - Ministry
  16. Conpiracy theory by kiley · · Score: 1

    I read somewhere (forgive my CRS) that something like this was tested in the food packets we dropped over Afganistan. The author said all there is left to do is play pacman and gobble up all of the blinking dots.

  17. I don't Care by ksplatter · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just as long as they put the following warning label on the Clothes:

    WARNING!!! Hand Washing of this Material Could Cause Electrocution Resulting in Death.
    Or Even worse make your hair stand up all Funny and stuff!

  18. Mixed signals by doc_traig · · Score: 2


    currently the RFID industry seems to be giving 'mixed' signals about whether the tags will be disabled or left enabled by default.

    Of course they are. Why alienate either end of the market, especially retailers or other commercial interests? You know that right now it's more important to court them anyway to build interest and revenue for development. Leave all possibilities possibilities, and all kinds of parties will step forward.

    - DDT

    --
    So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
  19. Tin Foil Suit by gregRowe · · Score: 1

    ...Hmm I might try making a whole suit out of tinfoil since they can read my clothing now (and not just my thoughts)!

    --
    There\'s no place like ~
  20. Yikes by Windcatcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not much of a "holy roller" (or at all for that matter), but this one made me think:

    "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, freeman and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no-one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person and it's number is 666." Rev 13:16-18

    1. Re:Yikes by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That passage infact has to do with the Roman emporer Nero and certain laws he enacted regarding the sale and trade of goods. If you calculate the numerological value of Nero's full name according to numerological practices of the time it adds up to 666.

    2. Re:Yikes by killmenow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know...I find it interesting when retailers are talking about a newer technology (that is better than barcoding) for tracking movement of inventory that your link to the mark of the beast should be made.

      Principally because the exact same thing was (and is still) said about barcodes.

    3. Re:Yikes by nizo · · Score: 2
      for it is the number of a person and it's number is 666

      I wonder which lucky bastard here on slashdot is ID number 666 (is it possible to search by id number)?

    4. Re:Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmmkay.... read the entire book (of Revelation that is) or even the chapter. This passage is in the context of the "End of the World tm" Where in adding up the numerological value of Nero's full name to people aquire the mark of the beast.

    5. Re:Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? You think foretelling the end of the world due to a leader you don't like or their policies is somehow unique to the 20th Century?

    6. Re:Yikes by coso · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and mark everything with 666. But I bet the devil will be pissed when his toothpaste rings out as bacon @ the cash register.

    7. Re:Yikes by EatHam · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If you calculate the numerological value of Nero's full name according to numerological practices of the time it adds up to 666

      Which is fine, except that there are no original manuscripts available from that time that definitavely say that the number is, in fact, 666. The middle character (can't remember which one it is now, but I'm pretty sure it's not on my keyboard anyway) is somewhat obscured from the originals, making it difficult to distinguish. It could just as easily be 616, but that just doesn't sound as evil for some reason.

    8. Re:Yikes by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

      Alot of people get all in a tizzy about mark of the beast and all of that yet ignore the literal facts. Some try to read and say things in modern times are the mark of the beast. I say that this mark wil truely be as it is said in the bible. You will have a tattoo or something that says 666. There will also be world wide trials and tribulations. What we are experiencing now, to me, is not world wide tribulation. Sure there are some pretty scary things happening with 9/11, terrorism and North Korea, but how many of us think about this everyday? I am not talking about those who walk around with blinders on and would not know Iraq from a hole in the ground, but I am talking about normal folks who do watch nightly news and read news on the internet. When things start truely gearing up for the end of times, you will be in fear to walk out your door not just where you are, but EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD! You WILL worry about it everyday. You will have folks trying to torture you and you will have floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, fire and brimstone.....

      By going on what I just said, it can be theorized that what the bible is truely talking about is the end of the sun or a massive planetary disaster. Think about it. If the sun went Nova, fire would be a big problem! :) If a asteroid(Brimstone? ) ala the movie Armageddon actually hit us you'd have EVERYTHING happen like I said in a true planetary scale. You'd have Armageddon. I think it would more likely be a asteroid and not the sun going nova. The bible says it could happen at any time and that noone except for god knows when and that is why you should always be ready. A asteroid coudl hit at anytime. Sure we have scientists that could find it, but they only know what they can find and our instruments are only so good. One could be missed (and close passes have been missed in teh recent past).

      What does this have to do with RFID's? Well, my point is while RFID's are a bad thing, they probably are not the mark of the beast. First off, one person may have MANY in their posession (lesse..underwear, socks, pants, shirt, shoes, jewelry and a watch...just a few off hand ) and the bible does not say the body would be all marked up. It says they will have the mark on their forehead or their right hand. It says OR! So I can assume that would mean one mark. A driver's license would be a bit closer to the mark, but I said I believe in the literal translation, not a symbolic one.

      In any case, the sky isn't falling, but yet I would fight against these as the only reason I think the stores like them is because of theft and some stores are trying to reduce their overhead to unheard of levels so they can make even more money. With things at their current levels, even with the market downturn, these stores make money (well except for Kmart). If you want your stock to go up more, then I'd say you'd have to accept this as it does add the possibility of more things being sold instead of stolen and the store you own stock in has a chance to loose less money to theft. If you are ethically opposed to this, sell your stock now.

      --

      Gorkman

    9. Re:Yikes by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 1

      Did the Bible use decimal notation for its numbers? The New Testament was written mostly in Ancient Greek (that's why Simon's nickname, "The Rock," ends up as Peter (rock == petros)). I always figured decimal notation came later, and that they'd use something more like Roman numerals (DCLXVI), or some non-decimal grouping words, like "four gross, four score, and a dozen, less two."

    10. Re:Yikes by operagost · · Score: 2
      That would be relevant if a numerologist or mystic had composed Revelation, instead of a Christian apostle (or bishop- it's possible that the John imprisoned on Patmos was not the same as the disciple John).

      A few trade laws also don't amount to tatooing every peasant's hand or head. Even today's alarmists rarely travel that slippery a slope. I also don't think they actually believed he was so evil he'd cause God to send meteors, earthquakes, plagues, stinging insects, etc.

      The customary dating of AD 90 is also after both the sack of Jerusalem (70) and Nero's reign (68).

      --

      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    11. Re:Yikes by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

      If Nero was going to put an end to the world, wouldn't it have happened by now?

      He was the emperor of the Roman Empire over a thousand years ago. And we're still here.

      --
      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    12. Re:Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, thats nothing compared to the guy marked with 667 !
      The Neighbour of the Beast !

    13. Re:Yikes by Nihilanth · · Score: 2

      People made the same connection with the advents of credit cards, barcodes (which have an interesting "666" synchronicity encoded into the language), and the use of social security numbers for identification. It's brought up now and then, but what i constantly have to remind people who -are- "holy rollers" is that, if they're really into all that inerrancy shtuff, it's not something to -resist- with yelling and shouting and explosions (relegious people do some pretty wierd, violent, self-contradictory stuff), but rather, if it's something they really beleive, they'll just sit back and watch it unfold (since, you know, the story has a happy ending). Unfortunately, most zealots have been reduced to mere meme replicators, failing to comprehend anything representing meaning or philosophy contained in their tenants.

    14. Re:Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That would be relevant if a .. mystic had composed Revelation, instead of a Christian apostle

      Christian apostles aren't mystics?!

    15. Re:Yikes by EatHam · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not sure if you would consider Revelations "ancient greek" since it was (to the best of my knowledge) written in approximately AD 90. However, the Greeks used phonetics for their numbers. Here's some more info. Of course, this may or may not be relevant since they're talking like 1000 years prior to the text in question. I'm thinking that the language probably changed somewhat in that time.

    16. Re:Yikes by ethereal · · Score: 1

      Sure it is, for example, here's you: http://slashdot.org/users.pl?uid=81281

      I tried this for uid 666, but for some reason I get a /. error for that particular uid. It's a quick error response; makes me wonder if they specifically avoided having this account or something... /. does seem to be slow today so maybe that's it.

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      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

    17. Re:Yikes by onthefenceman · · Score: 1

      This is getting a bit OT, but in case you were interested, the sum of the numbers on a Roulette wheel is also 666...

      --
      Have you seen my stapler?
    18. Re:Yikes by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 1

      Revelations... was [] written in approximately AD 90.

      Whoops. I knew that. Really, I swear! [*hangs head in shame*]

      Thanks for the link; interesting and informative, even if it turns out not to be relevant.

    19. Re:Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is obviously a troll, who the hell modded this 'insightful'?!

  21. They are in your tires now... by swordboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RFID Tires

    Imagine the possibilities... There's a video on that site for anyone willing to dig. I'd rather not slashdot it (28 megs). This technology was initially used to ship and track tires as a replacement to the old bar codes, but now, the boys in the tinfoil hats are detecting RFID activity on the freeways and border crossings...

    Auto manufacturers are programming the VIN number into the tire at assembly. It is only a matter of time before this becomes a requirement.

    --

    Life is the leading cause of death in America.
    1. Re:They are in your tires now... by ratbag · · Score: 1

      How long do cars last, typically? And how long do tyres last? So how much of a problem is this?

      Rob.

    2. Re:They are in your tires now... by radish · · Score: 2

      So now punctures are useful? I mean come on, how long do the factory fit tyres stay on a car? If I go and buy a new tyre from the store and *shudder* fit it myself, how will anyone know to match the tyre to the car?

      --

      ---- Den ene knappen er powerknapp, den andre er Bender voice knapp "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass"

    3. Re:They are in your tires now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hmm...
      Embed a number of chips in different levels of the tire tread, and as the chips stop responding, you can determine tire wear.

      The car's computer will simply refuse to run the engine once tread depth goes below the legally accepted minimum. If your tire store pays the fee to be in Ford's Database, the cars will conveniently stall when passing your establishment, forcing customers to re-tire with you or pay a hefty towing charge.

    4. Re:They are in your tires now... by swordboy · · Score: 1

      If I go and buy a new tyre from the store and *shudder* fit it myself, how will anyone know to match the tyre to the car?

      Once the technology is there, they only need to pass a law before you won't be able to buy a tire without the included retrofit. They'll likely disguise it as some tire-disposal act to clean up the environment. At the bare minimum, you'll be required to provide a VIN for a car that uses the tire in question. That VIN will likely be verified against your name or registration.

      But suppose that I'm just being paranoid and they don't require the VIN to be programmed into the tires. There is still a unique identifier in the tires from the manufacturer. Suppose that you roll past a sensor which then OCR's your license plate (they have OCR at the borders now - watch for the flash as you roll up to them) and associates it with your registration.

      Of course, you *used* to be able to retrofit a 4 gallon per minute shower head, but then congress legislated those out of the country (I think that the new heads must be a max of 2GPM). I'm not saying that this particular instance was a bad decision, I'm just illustrating how this can happen. There are many other examples out there. I think that tires will be the next.

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      Life is the leading cause of death in America.
    5. Re:They are in your tires now... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

      Who cares... tires are consumables....

      Why would the tinfoil hat people need tires when cars already have license plates and VINs???

      --
      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    6. Re:They are in your tires now... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 2

      Here is the movies page mentioned above.
      More details:
      The work is about RFID tagging tires and/or wheels, for the purpose of air pressure monitoring systems.
      The RFID to VIN association is described, but in the context of "avoiding false alarms" e.g. low-pressure signal from the next car over.
      The AIAG is the Automotive Industry Action Group -- "We do what's right for the Automotive Industry!" -- the do very little to make it sound like their work is pro-consumer, and a lot to make it sound pro-industry.

    7. Re:They are in your tires now... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2

      Auto manufacturers are programming the VIN number into the tire at assembly. It is only a
      matter of time before this becomes a requirement.


      So can you predict the future about everything, or just about car tires?

    8. Re:They are in your tires now... by ReTay · · Score: 1

      Easy after the media campaign gets through telling Mr. and Mrs. six pack that the extended warranty is void without having the new tires registered to the VIN they will just complain about how long it takes.....

      But I could just be cynical here...

  22. No problem... by Trevalyx · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Just routienely carry something that reflects the signal back with ID's all across the board. These things are the size of a grain of sand? Ok, a credit-card sized device composed of millions of the grain-of-sand device should create enough noise and complication to be a fairly effective way to combat this.. Issue new ones every now and again, with some various verified ID's mimicked, perhaps of government officials who think this sort of thing is a good idea, and viola.. Too much obfuscation in the system to be effective.
    Er. Patent pending, patent pending, patent pending..

    1. Re:No problem... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 2

      I'd like a nice RFID-enabled ring.

      Anyone see Sunday's "Alias"?

      Evil Mr.Whats-his-name (head of SD6) had a wedding ring fashioned to scramble bugs that would transmit ambient noise, tv signals, etc. to throw off anyone who was bugging him.

      Gimme one of those, but with a boatload of different RFID transmitters built into it just to mess with anyone trying to track anything using RFID technology.

      Sell 'em on the internet for $10 a pop. Effectively render the technology useless for tracking people.

      Just a thought..

      --
      Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
    2. Re:No problem... by Trevalyx · · Score: 1

      Eh, the truly paranoid would have trouble purchasing on the internet.. Trackability and so-on. What you would really want is anonymous street vendors.. Fork over the cash, they fork over the card, ring, suppository (!), anything that's with you regularly.
      Enlist pirate radio stations everywhere to transmit on whatever frequencies these things activate on and create so much distortion and interference that it no longer becomes viable.
      Or buy your own island and don't let any visitors. We /.ers shoudn't care, so long as there's a T-3 connection, right?

    3. Re:No problem... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 2

      Eh, the truly paranoid would have trouble purchasing on the internet..

      True. I should've picked up on that.

      Not being overly paranoid, I hadn't thought of that (not that you are for bringing it up, mind you...)

      Yeah, I supposed kiosks in the mall would be better..

      I honestly don't see what the big deal on this is. Isn't this technology along the same lines as what they're using to ensure books (ever see a sticker in a book that looks like a PCB?) and DVDs (open the DVD package - see that white plastic rectangle stuck to the inside of the case?) and are rendered inactive by the salesdrone when you purchase said item (usually by running it over something at the register and then over a sensor to make sure its deactivated)?

      Besides, with a failure rate of 10% (as someone else said) and a total distance of 15 feet? BFD.

      --
      Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
    4. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they have the power to process the signals and you send a response they're looking for... can we say jail time?

    5. Re:No problem... by Trevalyx · · Score: 1

      I honestly don't see what the big deal on this is.
      Well, for me, it's not the fact that such a technology now exists and can be used, most likely for mundane purposes. It is the potential that it exhibits for exploitation in further forms in the future. Who would have thought that something that seemed so single purpose, the semiconductor, would have evolved into a device which allows someone to be viciously hunted down by a weird group known as the Recording Industry's Alias for the Antichrist for having legal copies of their music..
      Of course, I could just be flying to the dramatic. 'Prolly a hoax anyway. But still, potential exists..

    6. Re:No problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Just routienely carry something that reflects the
      > signal back with ID's all across the board. These
      > things are the size of a grain of sand? Ok, a
      > credit-card sized device composed of millions of
      > the grain-of-sand device should create enough
      > noise and complication to be a fairly effective
      > way to combat this.

      That'd be fine until the day you walk out of an RFID-enabled merchant and automatically get charged $59.95 for each of the millions of RFID numbers your noise card is generating... :)

  23. Bowel shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse.. by Torqued · · Score: 1

    Coming soon: Dulcolax PE (Privacy Edition)

  24. Cool... by Gudlyf · · Score: 2

    Now we'll have real, techno-savvy fashion police. Geeks beware!

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  25. Whatever... by guido1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cost: $.50 per tag.

    Range: 15 feet "optimally oriented in front of a reader in free space."

    While the chips themselves are small (grain of pepper is mentioned), the antennas are 1/2" to 4" long.

    Sure, this is interesting news (from a technology perspective), but I for one don't fear their use by big brother just yet.

    1. Re:Whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about you until you come within 15 feet of my store/house/person. Also, if cities put receivers every 30 feet.....

    2. Re:Whatever... by RidgyDigiDude · · Score: 1

      You don't have enough imagination.

      Regards, RGC

      --
      I want to live as an honest man, to get all I deserve and give all I can, to love a young woman who I don't understand.
    3. Re:Whatever... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 1

      More practical uses could be for a motion capture system. Another use would be to attach RFID's to medical equipment (swaps, retractors) etc... and search patients for anything left behind.

  26. Isn't this.... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 2
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    Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
    1. Re:Isn't this.... by killmenow · · Score: 2

      By definition, aren't all stories on /. repeats?

  27. 3 out of 7 about microwaves by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

    So I made the seventh post under this story with what I thought was an original idea. However two of the previous posts, including the first post (!) had the same idea. Before you mod me as redundant, notice that I included the extra steps of mentioning that your underwear would be toasty warm and the scary eventuality of mandating trackable clothing.

  28. Find The Buddha by SunPin · · Score: 1
    ...RFID tags making tracking possible through our own personal possessions.

    Maybe that will be a great incentive for people to stop buying crap that they don't really need. I've seen this neofrugality happening in computers for awhile now. I believe it's also happening in the public at large. Not that there's a problem with buying stuff but it can't be the fundamental basis of society.

    --
    Laws are for people with no friends.
    1. Re:Find The Buddha by theflea · · Score: 1

      I think most people are already too creeped out by "the internet" to do major purchasing there. It seems like every time I suggest to a friend/family/acquaintance that he might find a product more quickly and cheaply online, they wince at the idea.

      The "uninformed masses" might not care about abstracts when it comes to privacy, but they can sense when it pertains directly to them.

      This could have serious ramifications for the economy and how goods & services are trasacted.

      When someone invents a gadget that resonates like or transmits zillions of random ID's, it will be declared illegal by the government. People's eyebrows will definitely go up

    2. Re:Find The Buddha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When someone invents a gadget that resonates like or transmits zillions of random ID's, it will be declared illegal by the government. People's eyebrows will definitely go up "

      I wish you were wrong about the first part of this and right about the second. I do think the government would make such a device illegal. If they didn't the media (under the government's guidance) would spin it to make anyone who has one out to be 'unAmerican' or 'unpatriotic' the way they did with people who spoke out against the governments privacy intrusions after 9/11. I think some people's eyebrows would go up but not many. The majority of Americans would rationalize this tracking away by saying something like "I'm not doing anything illegal so why should I care if they track me" or they would be brainwashed into believing it is for their own safety from Terrorists that everyone be tracked. I think the vast majority of people would give up most of their freedoms for the illusion of security.

      Rob

  29. Sounds Good to Me by ksplatter · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope My New Tracking Enabled T-shirt Has a Wear Anonymously Checkbox!

  30. So the tin-foil hat becomes... by bpfinn · · Score: 1

    ...a tin-foil suit?

  31. Cryin' Wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention the transmit range is very low. Everyone's reacting as if these things pulse out miles of signal. It just aint so.

    These things are meant to be picked up from within the store, not after you get down the street. Rip off the damn tag and get on with your lives.

  32. I'm glad I have a ferrite/aluminium foil hat! by TheReckoning · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can picture the conversation with my wife now:

    "Hon, do you like this dress?"

    "Yeah, it's really nice... WAIT DID YOU MICROWAVE IT BEFORE WE LEFT HOME!?!"

    "Micro - huh? What the hell are to talking about?"

    "RFID SAND CHIPS! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! They've probably tracked us here. Better take off your clothes until we can get to some underground consignment shops and hook you up with some aluminized disco stuff from the '70s."

    "We're through."

    1. Re:I'm glad I have a ferrite/aluminium foil hat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      WIFE?!?!? I'll try this on all the girls I know!

      Me: Hey, nice dress.
      She: Do I know you?
      Me: Wait.. don't go. Did you know "they" are tracking your every move? They are following you on their RFID scanners! Your clothes have embedded sensors that are completely VIOLATING your privacy!
      She: That's so bad! What can I do about it?
      Me: Take your clothes off, quick! Here, come into my car (it is electromagnetically shielded) and take off all your clothes, especially the underwear!
      She: Why the underwear?
      Me: Thats where "they" hide the really long-range tags!
      She: My saviour!
      Me: :-) :-) :-)

    2. Re:I'm glad I have a ferrite/aluminium foil hat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liar.
      You don't have a car!

  33. Aluminum Foil! by 13Echo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone knows that you can just wrap yourself in aluminum foil! Duh! It works against the aliens.

    1. Re:Aluminum Foil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows that you can just wrap yourself in aluminum foil! Duh! It works against the aliens.

      Are you sure? I'm picking up your signal loud and clear.

    2. Re:Aluminum Foil! by Surt · · Score: 2

      Of course, the problem is the alien's got to the aluminum foil manufacturers a long time ago, and that stuff isn't made out of aluminum anymore, so it doesn't really offer any protection anymore.

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  34. Now let's not get carried away by dmccarty · · Score: 5, Informative
    At first glance this article reads like a Your Rights Online rant from Timothy!

    I work in the packaging industry and have seen firsthand some of the RFID application processes on folder gluers. First of all, the defect rate hovers around 10%, which makes relying on this technology a dubious proposition.

    I doubt that the practical size is approaching "half a grain of sand," which would make application a nightmare to try to control. And most importantly, RFID tags are like UPC barcodes: they're coded to a single frequency and product, not to each instance of the product! If an RFID tag is enabled on your North Face jacket and you walk in a store, they may be able to tell that you're wearing the jacket, but that doesn't tell them who you are.

    So if I've helped reduce the paranoia level a little bit, I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

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    1. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about your special combination of the North Face jacket, Pleated Dockers 38w34l, Boston shoes, Prada glasses, Marlboro 100's, and Bic pen?

      Sure, any ONE of them is not easily identifiable...just like any ONE number is not a particularly good identifier. But you only need NINE numbers for your SSN to be a GUID...how many RFID tags would it take?

    2. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and if they are NOT deactivated when you purchase it it will foul up all their "plans" for automated purchasing that detects what you have in your cart as you pass through.. Hmm. I see you are buying a pair of levis 1 pair of red-heart BVD's, a set of 13DDD nikes, and a 3X budwiser t-shirt with a bright yellow jacket and a gallon of milk. that will be $147.96 please...

      "I'm just buying a gallon of milk! what the hell!!!"

      if they dont deativate them at purchase... it will mess up all of their plans.

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    3. Re:Now let's not get carried away by oku · · Score: 1
      they're coded to a single frequency and product, not to each instance of the product!

      Informative. This might not be sufficient to cool down a heated geek discussion, though.

      People are typically wearing more than one piece of clothing, let's say 6, and carry a wallet and shoes, leaving you with 8 frequencies. These may not tell who you are, but they allow tracking you reliably, I'd expect. (Short signal range not accounted for.) E.g. in a supermarket, they can track you until you reach the point of sale, where you hand over your credit card. They are know knowing exactly how long you spend in front of that 40" flatscreen. Expect some ads soon.

      More paranoid persons may elaborate on the more evil schemes. Err, of course they won't, because they are paranoid. But that's the general idea.

    4. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Dread_ed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "First of all, the defect rate hovers around 10%, "
      "I doubt that the practical size is approaching "half a grain of sand"
      "they're coded to a single frequency and product, not to each instance of the product!"


      Right now, they are this way, however, do you expext the technology and the application of the technology to remain the same? When have you ever know technology with applications like this to stand still?

      Sure the fail rate is 10%...NOW.

      How about is 5 years?

      Sure they are larger than a grain of sand...NOW.

      How about 10 years from now?

      Lack of paranoia might just be lack of foresight. But, who says we are gonna live that long, anyways...

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    5. Re:Now let's not get carried away by theBraindonor · · Score: 2

      If each unit of a given product does not have a unique RFID, this still gives out significantly more information than you might realize. Consider the amount of statistical information that would be available. It could allow retailers to gather a much clearer profile of their customer base: Customers that wear A are more likely to buy product B.

      Now, ask yourself just how many people dress exactly alike? Even if the individual pieces of clothing do not have distinct RFID, your outfit would most likely produce a fairly unique composit RFID identity.

    6. Re:Now let's not get carried away by mosch · · Score: 3, Informative
      And most importantly, RFID tags are like UPC barcodes: they're coded to a single frequency and product, not to each instance of the product!
      Sorry, you lose. RFID tags are not like UPC barcodes. The RFID tags that are in your new car's tires return your car's VIN, not 'michelin energy mxv4'. RFID tags can currently hold up to 64kbit of data, and can be read from tens of meters away, non-line-of-sight.

      They could be used like UPC barcodes, but there's nothing that says they can't be used in far more intrusive fashions, as well.

    7. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well with that special combination, we could determine you're a higher prole with aspirations of being middle class someday. sadly, your hopes will fade like everything else in your life.

    8. Re:Now let's not get carried away by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

      Except the US isn't sub-Saharan Africa -- we typically own more than one set of clothing.

      At best, being able to identifiy clothing would tell you that alot of yuppies/rednecks/teenagers/old people are in your store.

      But stores already know that, so why would they spend money to have a computer tell them so?

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    9. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Harrison · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are correct in saying that each tag can have a unique ID. However, your claim that they can be read from "tens of meters away" doesn't ring true with me, and I work in the industry. If you are aware of a passive tag that can be read from 10 meters away or more I would appreciate it if you would point it out.

    10. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Informative

      RFID tags have been used for years for identifying livestock and pets. The tags are the size of a (large) grain of rice. Each one responds with a unique number, and the defect rate hovers around zero.

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    11. Re:Now let's not get carried away by dmccarty · · Score: 4, Informative
      Well, if you won't believe me, maybe you'll believe a few links I've posted below:

      Actually, the tags in tires include the tire type, date of manufacture and the car that they were first mounted to. But that's a very specialized application, and we were talking about the general consumer scenario--John Doe checking out of Best Buy, Sears, Gap, XYZ Grocery, etc.

      I doubt that you'll find any RFID tags with a memory size of 65,536 bits! And if you do, they certainly aren't the ones that we were talking about--disposable, cheap passive tags to be used by merchants at the point of sale. Sure they could be used in intrusive fashions, in the same way that UPC codes were going to be the mark of the beast when they debuted in the '80s, and The Net was going to wreck all our lives and put us under control of nefarious orgzanizations.

      But these RFID tags are going to be used for checkout purposes, and any merchant that doesn't disable them at the POS isn't going to be faced with a tricky problem down the road. For example, if a customer walks back into your store (Walmart) wearing a watch, pair of shoes, t-shirt and some candy he purchased there last week, how are you going to know whether the goods were already purchased or not?! Remember, these are read-only tags, not read/write tags. It's therefore to the merchant's advantage to disable the tags once the item has been purchased.

      At the same time, the unique coding of items is fairly useless until you get into large-ticket items that may need to be repaired or serviced. Knowing that you sold Aiwa stereo #12345 is not better than knowing that you sold an Aiwa stereo model ABC. And when a 60" TV comes back in for repair, being able to scan the RFID emitter for its serial number takes only a few seconds off reading it off of the back of the unit and typing it in.

      There are a host of applications for the technology, and I've only covered a slice of them. Anti-theft and non-line of sight ID'ing of products are two of the most beneficial, and in my opinion they far outweight the insidious uses of various organizations that paranoid people like to think up.

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    12. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You don't seem to understand that a store would have an inventory of all the RFID tags in the store. They will know if an item came from another store and know if they already sold it. Each and every tag is unique. This is not a UPC code, which is unique only to a product.

      The only time this would be a problem for you, was if you stole the clothes and never removed the tags.

    13. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's going to be hard to make the antennas smaller unless someone changes the laws of physics. Remeber, these things are too small for internal power, so they need to receive power and transmit back a portion of that power. To do that you need an antenna. It would probably have to be about 1/4 wavelength. The article says that antennas will still be 1/2 inch long even with pepper flake sized chips. I don't know how high a frequency could be used, but if you go too high, the water vapor absorbs too much and you don't get any range.

    14. Re:Now let's not get carried away by mosch · · Score: 2

      The iPico Identification RFID tag is a passive UHF tag that can be read at 20m, and at speeds of up to 160km/h.

    15. Re:Now let's not get carried away by mosch · · Score: 2
      I doubt that you'll find any RFID tags with a memory size of 65,536 bits!
      Then you shouldn't have told me to read aimglobal.org. this page specifically mentions "Low to reasonably high (64Kbits) data storage capability".

      Allow me to summarize the rest of your argument, so you can tell me what I've missed:

      1. RFID tags will not contain any identification beyond manufacturer/model
      2. Currently deployed automotive tire RFID tags contain extremely specific information, connecting the particular tire to a particular automobile.
      I may not be a genius, but the evidence indicates that you're mistaken, especially considering that even the cheapest passive RFID tags advertise that each tag has a unique value, usually out of a 64 to 128 bit range, which indicates that RFID tag manufacturers expect every individual item to be tagged uniquely.
    16. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      but they are NOT unique. the store will have to scan EVERY Item and keep huge databases.. granted scanning a semi-load takes no effort but the amount of data will be huge... how do I magically associate rfid tag 565556877877855548392 with a pair of womens blue socks? you dont. unless they follow a standard such as 565556877877 is blue socks - womens while
      565556877878 is green socks womens and everything after that is a inventory id tag... but it will STILL create a huge database that they do not want to have the nightmare of keeping.

      I have a 22 gigabyte SQL database here that is ONLY sales information of the customers that my office deals with.. now if I had to add a record for EVERY item they bought and keep it? now we are looking at multiplying that database by 10. and I dont sell goods! just services and most of the time resell the SAME serivce.

      rfid tags for consumer goods will have a same id number for like products... it's makes sense, makes it massively cheaper to manufacture and doesnt make the local store's life miserable and require a server farm to hold a massive database that has zero value to them.

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    17. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Harrison · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the link. That is useful information, though it doesn't make it clear if what the range is when the tag is moving at 160kph. Also, how much does this tag cost? I would guess that it isn't going into cereal boxes.

    18. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Harrison · · Score: 2

      There was no link. I meant thanks for the info. I Googled and found this.

    19. Re:Now let's not get carried away by mosch · · Score: 2

      I don't honestly know what the per unit cost is, but you're correct in assuming that it's not 20m @ 160kph. It's my understanding that the nominal range is about 10m at that speed, which is still pretty impressive, IMHO.

    20. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Harrison · · Score: 2

      You are right, that is VERY impressive. Thanks again for the info.

    21. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I doubt that you'll find any RFID tags with a memory size of 65,536 bits!

      However, there are RFID tags with a size of 128 bits. That's enough to give a unique ID to every individual item sold in the world, probably for the next several thousand years at least. Use that as a key in a central database (TIA anyone?) and you can store as much information per tag as you want.

    22. Re:Now let's not get carried away by dmccarty · · Score: 1

      I had hoped that you could make the distinction between cheap RFID tags for mass-produced items, (like clothes, candy bars and electronics) and higher-end tags for more important items (like vehicle tires). Sadly, your results were disappointing, and now I must end your Turing Test.

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    23. Re:Now let's not get carried away by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      You have heard of Moore's law, right? How long do you think it will be before 128 bit RFID tags sell for $.02 each?

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    24. Re:Now let's not get carried away by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      I know that 22GB was precious when you bought it, but today 1042585429 $20 US doubles your disk space.


      Most likely you would only have the item number with it's lot number in your item DB. The customers bank card would scan revealing his ID, pulled from the parent corp's DB.

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    25. Re:Now let's not get carried away by ElectricRook · · Score: 1

      The cheap ones return a signal, the fancy ones return a unique data stream. What do you have in your wallet?

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    26. Re:Now let's not get carried away by mosch · · Score: 2

      128 bit RFID tags already are cheap. the parent is a fucking retard.

    27. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been several articles about this technology. The plan is that each chip will have a unique id. So wearing your jeans at checkout will not cause you to get billed because that ID will not be in the store inventory.

      Also this is a very short range detection. They might be able to track you going through a door but not across town.

      And think of the benifits if you could have a hand held unit and walk around the house to find where you left your walkman or other lost article.

    28. Re:Now let's not get carried away by Snotboble_ · · Score: 1

      So in essence, when the CFO comes I'll be able to detect "Oh man, here comes another suit.." ?

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    29. Re:Now let's not get carried away by ReTay · · Score: 1

      And this prevents the antennas from being coiled why? How? Even assumeing you are correct and that they need to have attennas for the reason of colecting enought power to respond to the query pray tell me how long the attenna my ferret is chiped with? Answer none or it is internal and still effectively none. Now this is not a cutting edge chip (of cource) but it is plenty strong enough to identify my furkid to the vet. Just like the 8088 I used to play with has less raw prosscessing power then my watch does now.
      And the power of the same said 8088 was a considerable amount of the computing power it took to get a man to the moon.

  35. Millions of tags to be monitored? by indyracing · · Score: 1

    So, who is going to be tracking these tags, or will they just be dormant until you are in the range of a scanner of some sort. If so, how does this do the retailers any good? I hardly think this is worth the time and money if it is no more than a glorified bar code. On the other hand, if the range is larger than what I'm thinking, it does suck that they can track your purchases anywhere it goes.

    1. Re:Millions of tags to be monitored? by nycview · · Score: 2, Informative


      They will

      Auto ID Center

      The flip side mobile Cloak

  36. Business Idea by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2
    This reminds me of a business idea I had.

    Lead-lined backpacks and clothing.

    Just think of how many you could sell....
    Your target market could be:
    • Shoplifters
    • People who want privacy in general
    • People who want to smuggle guns on planes
    • Photographers who want to keep their film from being xrayed
    • Tinfoil hat wearing types
    • People who don't want their new GPS-enabled cellphone giving out their position.

    the list just goes on and on :)
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    1. Re:Business Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      It's been Done Already

      mobileCloak

    2. Re:Business Idea by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      People who want to smuggle guns on planes

      Yes, because I'm sure they'll never want to see what's inside something unusual like a lead-lined bag.

  37. Fairy Dust ... by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 2



    Back a few years ago when I was involved in some biometric technologies, I had heard of this technology already in use in of all places, on livestock farms to keep track of animals that would wonder away from the herd. It was referred to at that time as "fairy dust" ...

    While it might be a good way to keep our children from being abducted, I'm also not to keen on being seen as livestock.

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    1. Re:Fairy Dust ... by Artifex · · Score: 2
      While it might be a good way to keep our children from being abducted


      How does it keep children from being abducted?
      You've fallen for the same misdirection that law enforcement uses when it says it wants fingerprints of your kids "for their safety."

      Fingerprints are good for identifying bodies, that's about it. This type of device will only work to identify someone who has been abducted if he or she passes within a few feet of a reader, so pretty much the same thing holds true.

      However, assuming your Johnny or Julie grows up instead of meeting his or her fate at the hands of an evil stranger (or, more statistically appropriate, your ex), there's now a database that has that information about him or her, and he or she can be tracked without having committed any crime. That's a violation of his or her right to privacy.

      P.S. lest you think that you could remove the tag through simple surgery, there are two possible barriers: one is that if it's a simple surgery, the evil strangers you are afraid of will be able to remove it also, and the other is that, very quickly, these may become seen as permanent identifiers, just like Social Security Numbers are today, despite their use for that purpose being nominally illegal.
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  38. Is this new? by John_Renne · · Score: 1

    This might be the next step but it isn't a big one. Having the right priviliges one can be tracked down allready. When I look at my daily routines it's quit easy I think

    * In the morning I check my mail (IP logged by ISP of course)
    * I drive to work in my car equiped with a GPS-device. (could the lease-company follow me?)
    * On the way I stop at the ATM to get me some cash for the day. (The bank should be able to trace this)
    * At work I log on to the corporate network
    * During the day I have a couple of phonecalls with my cellular phone (hello telco!)
    * I drive back home again (hello again lease-company)
    * Coming home I order some food (again I leave my name, number etc.)
    * Spend the evening surfing around (IP logged everywhere)

    And just how anonymous am I?

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  39. Removal of tags... by sputnik73 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the article, "Third, RFID tags should be placed on the product's packaging instead of on the product when possible. Fourth, RFID tags should be readily visible and easily removable."

    Now pardon me if I don't have the sort of camel-looking face that the guy who wrote the article does but doesn't this defeat the stated purpose of the tags? Retailers are saying that these tags will cut down on theft from stores because all packages can be easily tracked. If the tags are easily removed and on the packaging, what's to stop me from just taking the product I want for free out of the package and walking out of the store? I don't think this guy thought out his four little demands too well. Probably he just likes the number four, I know I do.

    1. Re:Removal of tags... by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 1

      It could probably be done like the CD packaging. You know, you have a layer of fairly easy to remove celophane (sp) and then a really difficult strip along the top. It would be removable, but difficult enough that you'd notice someone trying to rip it off in the store.

    2. Re:Removal of tags... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      what's to stop me from just taking the product I want for free out of the package and walking out of the store
      Try it! These tags are already in CDs, so go into HMV and start taking them out of their boxes and putting them in your pockets and see what happens.
    3. Re:Removal of tags... by 3vi1 · · Score: 1

      So, When you buy something at Babbages then walk across the mall to buy something from EB, you're gonna ask a stranger to hold your bag outside while you go in and shop - right? Otherwise, you're going to have to show the EB people your Babbages receipt for Baywatch Screensaver X.

  40. Business model... by Noryungi · · Score: 2

    1. Create portable RFID-Destroyer, that kills all RFID transmitters embedded in a product.
    2. Market product created on step (1) to paranoid geeks (such as me)
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    Easy, don't you think? A little bit like the some Neal Stephenson novel on nanotechnology.

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  41. fifteen feet by adamruck · · Score: 1

    For its part, Alien Technology says its RFID tags can be read up to 15 feet away. "When we talk about the range of these tags being 3 to 5 meters, that's a range in free space," said Tom Pounds, a company vice president. "That's optimally oriented in front of a reader in free space. In fact if you put a tag up against your body or on a metal Rolex watch in free space, the read range drops to zero."

    only works for 15 feet away? Whats the problem here? Also if you just cover this thing up it covers the tag completely? whats the point, if you want to steal something, cover up the tag and walk out.

    The idea is cool, but is there any need for a product like this? Isn't the current system working just fine?

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  42. Fool the system... by e8johan · · Score: 2

    I once got hold of 5-10 stickers that would trigger most shops alarm systems (the check points at the entry and exit points). It was a real laugh to put these stickers on peoples belongings and watch them set of alarms at the local mal...

    Seriously, I think that it would become a problem to have these devices enabled after having been used. This requires the security system to verify that the mark is 'one of ours' before sounding the alarm. Kill the marker after the payment has been done and everything is plain sailing.

  43. This will answer the age old question... by delcielo · · Score: 5, Funny

    of where all the missing socks go.

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    1. Re:This will answer the age old question... by jdreed1024 · · Score: 3, Funny
      It'll make life easier for the Underpants Gnomes, too.

      Hey! Now we know what Stage 2 is!

      1) Collect Underpants
      2) Implant RFID tags
      3) Profit!!!

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    2. Re:This will answer the age old question... by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2

      I'm not too bad with socks, but as for ball point pens and cigarette lighters, god damn, I'm gonna get me some RFID together. I mean, so what if I can buy ten lighters for a quid? I wanna know where they are all going. Ball point pens are even worse. Have you ever had one actually run out of ink? It's statistically impossible for it to happen before the pen disappears.

    3. Re:This will answer the age old question... by Babylon+Rocker · · Score: 1

      If they do put RFID tags in Snickers bars, that'll take care of the implantation... Temporarily...

    4. Re:This will answer the age old question... by Darkninja666 · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh....The Underpants Gnomes have expanded!!

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  44. The Real Problem... by Dman33 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The problem comes when certain establishments mandate that you wear trackable underwear!

    No... the real problem comes when certain establishments mandate that you wear underwear..

  45. Durability? by broken_bones · · Score: 1

    What is the durability of these things? If there is one in the new (and most probably hideous) shirt that I bought will it survive a trip through the washer and the dryer? If these things aren't all that durable how would that affect the privacy concerns?

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  46. Um... what's the big deal? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, so someone will know I'm wearing Timberland boots, Dockers pants, Oakley sunglasses, and an Izod shirt.

    They won't know my name, address, phone number, age, social security number, sexual preference, number of pets, or marital status.

    So what the hell's the big deal? Or are we all just being slash-paranoid?

    - A.P.

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    1. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by praedor · · Score: 2

      That's an easy extension to add. Give each bit of clothing a unique ID tag. You buy it with a credit card/check card and that ID is now tied to you. If you bought the item as a gift (for a lover or spouse or whomever), this produces a trail from them to you.


      It might be INTENDED as something innocuous - but even in this innocuous form you will be hit with generic spam based on the chips on your person. It is merely a small step to make it a specific privacy violation and means of "passive" tracking and profiling.

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    2. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll know that you are a brand-name-loving corporate whore.

    3. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What doesn't have a brand name nowadays?

      Is there anything you can purchase that doesn't have a label on it anymore?

      Didn't think so.

    4. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

      If you're that paranoid, pay with cash. Cash still works, as far as I know, as legal tender.

      These tags seem to have a very limited use (preventing theft). Extending their usefulness to include tracking based on who bought them would be a tremendous undertaking, and not worth the time or expense at all. IMO, this is a very silly thing to be afraid of.

      - A.P.

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    5. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So are there many other people in your area who wear that exact same combination of clothes and shop at the same store?


      At worst (for you) it could know exactly who you are especially if you bought all those things in that chain store. At best it would still let them know your sex (unless you're a cross dresser), and can make a good guess of your age, lifestyle, weight and dimensions.


      Now imagine a few scanners set strategically around the store and at the cash register and that you take a look around and then purchase another item of clothing with a credit card (assume you payed cash before).


      Before you walked in they knew nothing about you. Now they know your name, your credit card number, the clothes you're wearing, how long you've been in the store, what part of the store you looked at most, what part you skipped, your approximate weight, lifestyle and age. And all you've done is buy a pair of socks!


      Would any store go to the effort? Probably not until the technology improved, but I wouldn't put it past them. In fact, I can imagine that store cards of the future would employ similar technology so that the moment you walked in the door carrying the card they'd know who you were.

    6. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by nomann · · Score: 1

      Wow, so someone will know I'm wearing Timberland boots, Dockers pants, Oakley sunglasses, and an Izod shirt.

      ...And a Victorias Secret 38D 8-)

      They won't know my name, address, phone number, age, social security number, sexual preference, number of pets, or marital status.

      ..Now they will.

    7. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but won't you be mad when upon detecting your clothes, a giant sign in front of the store flashes

      GEEK

    8. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by TenderMuffin · · Score: 1

      I think the point of this is that people will know WHERE you're wearing your boots, pants, sunglassses, and shirt.

      I, for one, don't care for being tracked everywhere I travel.

    9. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Grue · · Score: 1

      And How!

    10. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2

      They do already.

      I was once a retail salesman at a large computer chain.

      I'd notice that the well do to clustered around laptops and high end sony desktops. The less-well to do clustered around the $399 special.

      Based on my mood, I would hock extened service plans to rich people trying to keep up with the joneses or poor people who are vulnerable to a sales pitch.

      If you don't want to be tracked, don't wear distinctive clothes.

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      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
    11. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet the clauses in the PATROIT act were a very silly thing to be afraid of once, too.

    12. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Kallahar · · Score: 2

      That's what databases and Bush's TIA program are for, to coallate RFID (or whatever) and your Citizen Identification Number.

      Travis

    13. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the matching g-string, garter belt, and lace-topped silk stockings!

    14. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean - cut up your credit cards.
      Because it only takes one purchase with a credit card, for anything, to open the flood gate for an unscrupulous data miner.
      Don't agree ?
      Here's a scenario.
      You bought, with cash, a dozen items over the last week at different places.
      You use your credit card (at a restaurant perhaps) and someone scans you for all the Unique RFIDs you're wearing at that time while taking your credit card number as you pay.
      From that it is possible for a data miner with access (legitimate or otherwise) to the source of those IDs to determine your shopping habits, and where you've been over the last week.

      Doesn't sound plausible ?
      I hope you're right.

    15. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

      So are there many other people in your area who wear that exact same combination of clothes and shop at the same store?

      You've never seen Hot Topic's clientele, have you?

      Now imagine a few scanners set strategically around the store and at the cash register and that you take a look around and then purchase another item of clothing with a credit card (assume you payed cash before).

      Before you walked in they knew nothing about you. Now they know your name, your credit card number, the clothes you're wearing, how long you've been in the store, what part of the store you looked at most, what part you skipped, your approximate weight, lifestyle and age. And all you've done is buy a pair of socks!


      You're making the gigantic assumption that, somehow, the government, with the cooperation and aid of all retail stores and credit card companies in the country and through a common ordinary unmodified point-of-sale terminal, will magically be able to construct a database which relates customers to RFIDs. The RFID is something which I assume is not going to be scanned when the price tag barcode is scanned.

      There's really no way this is going to become a privacy issue. The only way an RFID could be used by the authorities is as yet another identifier of an anonymous person. "He was between 6'2" and 6'4", had a moustache and blonde hair, oh, and his teeshirt had RFID 33481095123. We still don't know who the fuck he is, though, but hopefully a sensor will pick up the RFID in his clothing." This is the only situation I can forsee where the evil bad government will use an RFID against one of its citizens, and I honestly don't see why this is a bad thing.

      - A.P.

      --
      "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    16. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      > If you're that paranoid, pay with cash. Cash still
      > works, as far as I know, as legal tender.

      Try buying an airline ticket with cash.

      > Extending their usefulness to include tracking
      > based on who bought them would be a tremendous
      > undertaking,

      The only major expense will be the readers, which the stores will install to prevent theft. All that will be necessary then is to link the databases.

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    17. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

      The only major expense will be the readers, which the stores will install to prevent theft. All that will be necessary then is to link the databases.

      Yeah, they can do that part in an afternoon. With Linux!

      You make the most difficult part of the entire equation -- the part I believe to be far too costly, hard to accomplish, and pointless -- seem like child's play. How on earth are you going to get each and every one of the millions of shops, kiosks, boutiques, vending machines, mail-order catalog outlets, convenience stores, gas stations, and other various and sundry vendors all over the country to connect to this mystical, magical database?

      "Yeah, we'll just install sensors and hook 'em up to the databases."

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again now: ignorant and paranoid are a dangerous combination.

      - A.P.

      --
      "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
    18. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by eaolson · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So what the hell's the big deal? Or are we all just being slash-paranoid?

      Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but the big deal in my book is that this sort of thing is none of their damn business!

      I would be highly offended if some clerk came up to me and asked, "Hello, Sir, welcome to S-Mart, and may I ask what brand of underwear you're wearing today?" The fact they they're trying to do so surreptitiously makes it no less inappropriate.

    19. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... an Izod shirt.

      They won't know my ... sexual preference

      You sure about that? :)

    20. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Darkninja666 · · Score: 1

      Ummmm....Isn't that what is being called "Total Information Awareness" or somesuch crap by the Miltary?!?!?

      You act as if they are not actively trying this...

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    21. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the problem with that??

      Now everyone will know I've been wearing the same underwear for 2 weeks.

    22. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by bytesmythe · · Score: 2

      I used to work in the industries of electronic transaction processing and marketing data tracking, so I am somewhat qualified to make this statement:

      It's not as hard as you'd think.

      The infrastructure for beginning to tie everyone into a giant database already exists. Over half of the population of the United States is in the info database at the company I used to work for.

      Similarly, there are not very many card processing networks. Many electronic transactions are routed through a few central networks before arriving at their ultimate destinations. You'd only have to put "trace points" in those main networks. Tie a handful of "trace points" to the big database and you're done.

      It's not beyond the realm of possibility, and is probably simple enough that you could get the bulk of the work done in maybe 4 years with a relatively small programming team.

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      bytesmythe
      Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
      -- Scott Meyer
    23. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      So what the hell's the big deal?


      And your mandated government ID card is not responding... Call the Department of Homeland Security.

      Potential Terrorist Alert!

      --
      - High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
    24. Re:Um... what's the big deal? by way2trivial · · Score: 0

      "They won't know my name,"

      do you plan on paying with a credit card?
      at the point of swiping, a pulse goes out, both the purchases, and what you are currently wearing, recorded and filed.

      --
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  47. Any Suggestions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...on how to fry these things? Maybe jam the signal? Discuss amongst yourselves...

    1. Re:Any Suggestions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RFID doesn't work on metal unless there is some sheilding built into it. So just carry around a piece of steel or something, put it next to the RFID tag and it won't work.

  48. YOU FAIL IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Heh heh heh.

    You slipped up, friend kspaltter, you didn't post to a privacy story as "annonymous coward". You're going on the list!

  49. Bah by grub · · Score: 1


    They think they can track me? Ha! I plan on wrapping myself from head to toe in tinfoil.

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  50. moron when's there's onLIE won channel left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cnet lays of 80 more on the way out?

    it won't be nearly as difficult to repossess robbIE et AL?

    eye DOWt he's bilt many towers of self-adulation, yet?.

    what a sham/shame.

  51. Re:hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Browser specific, so you're probably running IE 5 or 6. Or AOL. Opera users usually get IBM ads and Mozilla/Phoenix Users usually get Sorceforge Ads.

  52. so what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    buy clothes for a friend and swap them. Any association from purchaser to RFID tag is lost.

    Even better, get your clothes marked as yours, commit a crime, and drop your clothes in 3 different cabs/busses as you change into your other set, kept in a metallic wrapper. Police follow 3 red herrings as you escape.....

  53. Enemy of the State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't this basically the technology in Enemy of the State?

  54. Tech Side of RFID by SniffleBoy · · Score: 1
    This proposed use of RFID raises some very interesting side issues. The first is RF pollution / saturation. Are these companies going to by custom RF ranges (very expensive!) or load the public frequencies?

    And with the great numbers of RFID devices that are being proposed, how will channels be shared? I am doubting that these pieces of paper are going to be intelligent enough to run some sort of sensing protocol to prevent stepping on each other's feet.

    The network infrastructure is going to need to be impressive. I doubt these RFIDs have much of a transmission range if they are being powered by RF. Are stores going to be placing access points on each shelf in a store?

    I guess that I really am a geek, since I find the technical challenges to RFID to be so nifty. As for the ethics of RFID, I will leave that to other posts on this list!

    1. Re:Tech Side of RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for frequencies, they have been trying to usurp amateur radio frequencies.

      The ARRL has been vigorously protesting this, and the FCC seems to agree with the ARRL.

    2. Re:Tech Side of RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ePC RFID system consists of five technology areas:

      * Electronic product code (ePC): A 96-bit code, ePC provides a unique ID or serial number for individual products. By contrast, UPC only provides a number for groups of products.

      * ID system (reader and RF tag): The ePC is embedded on a special tag (which initially costs 5 cents) that is applied to the product during manufacture. The tag communicates with readers located in plants, warehouses, trucks, stores, and homes.

      The data tracking that you referred to...
      * Savant: A data router called Savant performs operations such as data capture, data monitoring, and data transmission. It provides a framework for managing the huge flow of ePC data throughout the enterprise. Savants can be located in stores, trucks, local distribution centers, and regional and national data centers.

      * Object name service (ONS): Like a DNS (domain name service), the ONS is used for locating a specific URL (uniform resource locator)--in essence, a Web or server address.

      * Physical markup language (PML): Based on extensible markup language (XML), PML describes unique physical objects and allows applications to share and track information about the item.

  55. Time to come up with a Jammer by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The more *useless* these are, the better for citizens. The more *useful* they are the better it is for government, big buisiness, and unscrupulous employers to completely misuse them.

    Like I want an 'Enron' to happen with a company that controls distribution and/or access to these.

    I suggest a hi-watt jammer to make the use of them impossible.

    The knowledge of my whereabouts is copyrighted, and I have every right to disable, interfere, block, divert, or otherwise impair the unauthorized distribution, display, storage, or reproduction of this copyrighted information.

    God, I hope they don't put these in tin foil. What will I make my hats out of?

    1. Re:Time to come up with a Jammer by oliverthered · · Score: 2

      Or better, time to clone RFID's and stick them all over the place.
      I'm sparticus!

      --
      thank God the internet isn't a human right.
    2. Re:Time to come up with a Jammer by praedor · · Score: 2

      All you need is EMP. A little EMP goes a long way to disable any such microchippie toy.


      When/if such a chip becomes common (this would allow that annoying "Minority Report"-style privacy invasion in which billboards track you everywhere and spam the crap out of you with every step), first thing you do when you get home is pulse your clothing purchase with an EMP. Obviously, this wouldn't work with consumer electronics. EMP your watch to kill the chip and you kill the watch to boot.

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      In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
    3. Re:Time to come up with a Jammer by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      Ok, I know the parent post was, at least in part, humorous, but....

      I suggest a hi-watt jammer to make the use of them impossible

      I suggest you enjoy your time in Federal prison after the FCC comes and gets you.

      The knowledge of my whereabouts is copyrighted

      No it's not. Nor is it patentable, trademarked, servicemarked, or a trade secret. You may have a right to privacy, but it has nothing to do with IP.

      And, besides, you're not the RIAA or MPAA! Only they have the right to hack other people's systems to prevent the transmission of copyrighted works. Duh!

      God, I hope they don't put these in tin foil. What will I make my hats out of?

      Lead. I suggest smelting it down first to ensure someone didn't put one on it too!

    4. Re:Time to come up with a Jammer by demonlapin · · Score: 1
      Like I want an 'Enron' to happen with a company that controls distribution and/or access to these.

      An "Enron"? You mean, the whole business looks pretty impressive, but they're not actually doing anything but a shell game with money, and the technology's faked, and it goes tits-up when accounting shenanigans are found?

      Look, man, maybe that flies at Indymedia, but please get your references to The Corporate Man right when you post on a serious, nuanced, and highly-respected forum like Slashdot.

      Just for reference, that would have been an excellent post to make reference to John Poindexter and Total Information Awareness. But you didn't.
      My verdict on your post? -1, Missed A Chance To Attack Evil Oil-Grubbing Grandma-Starving Bush Administration.

  56. Erm by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Why don't you just build a jammer that works at that frequency? Wouldn't need to use much power...

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  57. Mobile Phones by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    They do this with mobile phones,
    In a built up area with lots of cells they can track where your going.

    There's also a legend about being able to turn the microphone on, and eves droping without the user doing anything. (I know people who won't let you in if you have a mobile phone on you, paranoid people, not drug dealers or smugglers)

    --
    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
    1. Re:Mobile Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's some info on that:

      Cellular Phone Based Surveillance Bug

  58. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Lethyos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clothing tracks YOU!

    Oh, wait a minute...

    --
    Why bother.
  59. using these to stop terrorism by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This help me with an idea I have been kicking around. Suppose every Isralie citizen and tourist carried one of these with them at all times in the public. In public areas, computers with, basically, webcams use video to locate where people are, then radio recievers use these RFID tags to triangulate where people are. If the cammera sees a person where the radio does not, that is a person who is not authorized to be there. This person would then be photo'd and checked against known terrorists or questioned by the police, as he might be a suicide bomber.

    I can't see how else Israel will stop suicide bombing unless they only allow their own citizens in public areas, and this method would not be too expensive. And as much as I care about privacy, the situation there is life or death, and so more important.

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    1. Re:using these to stop terrorism by scrytch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Believe it or not, in Israel, it still is legal for the time being to be Palestinian in a public place.

      Ah, but I have been trolled. Pardon me.

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    2. Re:using these to stop terrorism by Kallahar · · Score: 2

      yeah, the terrorists will never bribe anyone to get their own "valid" rfid tag. auto-whitelisting like that isn't a good security policy, serious people can bypass it easily. What it would help is for petty crimes such as muggings, vandalism, etc that are usually perpetrated by the stupider sort of people.

      Travis

    3. Re:using these to stop terrorism by Sentry21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't see how else Israel will stop suicide bombing unless they only allow their own citizens in public areas, and this method would not be too expensive.

      They could stop opressing the Palestinians for one. I hardly think turning the place into an even worse police state than it already is would help matters, especially not for tourism. I'd hardly like to be accosted by the police every time I went out in public while I was there. I found the military presence in Jerusalem quite acceptable, but when it gets opressive towards me, I'd just give up on going, and so would most people.

      --Dan

    4. Re:using these to stop terrorism by cliveholloway · · Score: 2
      Ooo, flask back 60 odd years and rewrite that slightly:

      Suppose every German citizen and tourist carried one of these with them at all times in the public. In public areas, computers with, basically, webcams use video to locate where people are, then radio recievers use these RFID tags to triangulate where people are. If the cammera sees a person where the radio does not, that is a person who is not authorized to be there. This person would then be photo'd and checked against known Jews or questioned by the police, as he might be a Gypsy.


      I can't see how else Germany will stop Jews unless they only allow their own citizens in public areas, and this method would not be too expensive. And as much as I care about privacy, the situation there is life or death, and so more important.


      OTT? Good, now take your blinkers off and actually find out for yourself exactly what drives these bombers to kill in the first place before blindly writing oversimplistic crap.

      .02

      cLive ;-)

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    5. Re:using these to stop terrorism by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2

      I am not an expert on the subject. At all. Forget I said Israel. Just assume that people were sneaking in to your country and blowing themselves up in public for whatever reason. This is something you would want, I think. And this has nothing to do with Jews because they weren't blowing themselves up in public places.

      Jesus Christ, man. They are a democracy. They don't have a king who can use the system to stop his enemies. If their president abused such a system he would be voted out.

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      A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
    6. Re:using these to stop terrorism by cliveholloway · · Score: 2
      "Jesus Christ, man. They are a democracy.".

      Try telling that to Palestinians living in Israel.

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      -- Trinity in high heels carrying a whip: The donimatrix - there is no spoonerism
  60. I'm headed East. by SenatorTreason · · Score: 2, Funny

    Material possesions do bring unhappiness! And an FBI/CIA/SS file. Nuke 'em for enlightenment!

  61. Slow encrochement of freedom and privacy by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Don't act surprised people, until there is NO freedom and NO privacy this sort of thing will not stop.

    All in the name of 'safety' it is..

    Once its gone its hard to get back, stop offering to give it to them willingly..

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Slow encrochement of freedom and privacy by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Welcome to Rome....

  62. This has widespread implications by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    Since these tags will allow people to be tracked everywhere, if these come into common use, police dramas like COPS, CSI, NYPD Blue, Starsky and Hutch:TNG, and Hack will all become obsolete!

    I predict an increase in crime from all of these newly out-of-work actors with fake law-enforcement training.

  63. Range by jjonte · · Score: 1

    What do u think the range of a transmitter the size of a grain of rice is that has no power of its own? Not far.

  64. Undocumented transfers by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's where the RFID in your sweater falls apart... Think about your family Christmas gathering, sweaters chaning hands all over the place, with nobody telling the central database what is happening.

    If you're wearing an outfit bought for you by somebody else, then the computer will falsely identify you as that gift-giving friend or realitve. Too many false-positive IDs and this system gets considered useless.

    Besides, we still use cash to buy things around here. I don't think we need to get paranoid until we see serious proposals to knock that off...

    1. Re:Undocumented transfers by praedor · · Score: 2

      For some of these transfers, it is irrelevant. You are simply producing a trail of individuals that can be tied to you. Perhaps you would find out how soon Kevin Bacon gets that sweater (will it be within 6 transfers?).


      Where it goes really south is in clothing donation. Give it to Goodwill Ind. and the trail goes cold (though it identifies you as some kind of freakin' do-gooder. It may also identify your friends as freakin' do-gooders too if you gave it to them and THEY dump it at Goodwill).

      Perhaps you could even use it to identify the ungrateful bastards in your circle. Give them a sweater and track it. See if it still gives off a signal when next you visit. How long before that signal vanishes, indicating that the "friend" thought you and your gift SUCKED and got rid of it? There's a use for it. You'll know who to ignore next year on their B-day. The bastard/bitch.

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  65. Just A Matter of Time by gr0nd · · Score: 1

    Declan McCullagh has a column on this on CNet. How long will it take Poindexter to merge this database with the supermarkets' databases of purchases, so you can be tracked electronically, all the time?

  66. Microsoft says by BluGuy · · Score: 1

    RFID must be a Microsoft technology: "We already know where you were today."

  67. Buy a bomb shelter full of stuff before rfid is in by mboom · · Score: 1

    Thats right, go to your local walmart and buy all the clothes, shoes, hygene products, etc, that you will use for the rest of your life. Then spend the rest of your life laughing at how the rights of others are abused. Hey Tom Ridge is trustworthy right?

  68. Look a nice flea... *WHAM* by harrylackapants · · Score: 1

    So... If they use radio signals, they will probably not be shielded against magnetic / electromagnetic fields. So how about having an electromagnetic field generator that would give a couple of extreme high power impulses. Such a device should be easy to build by yourself even from something like an old washmachine engine. Even a noob could build it. :) Aply a few such shocks to everything you buy by placing your bought goodies near the gizmo and shock 'em a bit. It should fry them instantly.;)

  69. So where can I buy a system? by hamjudo · · Score: 2
    I want to track my tools. I'd want readers in the toolbox, the basement door, the attic stairs, and the garage. When I start a project I can get an inventory of the tools in the toolbox, when I'm ready to leave, it can tell me what I forgot to put back in.

    This would also tell me what tools I left in the attic, the basement, etc... Where did I leave the cordless drill?

    The tags cost >$.50 each, but how much do the readers cost? Where can I buy them?

    1. Re:So where can I buy a system? by Mwongozi · · Score: 2
    2. Re:So where can I buy a system? by hamjudo · · Score: 2
      At least send me to someplace that lists prices, http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=rfid+reader .

      Which is only half there. It leads to a fine $64. reader, but that works with tags that cost several dollars each.

      I should rephrase my query, where can I buy readers for less than $100 that work with tags that cost less than $2 each? In small quantities!

  70. Re:hypocrites by frankthechicken · · Score: 1

    Bit off-topic but you wonder when the ads are going to become time and region specific, i.e coffee ads in the morning, food ads at lunch, jolt ads at 4 in the morning, and tin-foil hats for the getting back on topic.

  71. Logan's Run here we come by DSL-Admin · · Score: 1
    Soon we will have crystals imbedded into our hands that tell us when to commit suicide because we've lived long enough...

    I see a rise in home grown food and materials.., besides, how long will it be before this tech starts to cause biological problems because we're turning ourselves in to RF transmitters.... oh joy,

  72. RFID and shoplifting by Phoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest problem that I see is the simple fact that the first and most logical use of the RFID tag is in shoplifting prevention. Granted that it would be a great way of tracking and ensuring that some klepto doesn't bugger off with as much merchandice as they can get thier gurbby hands on, but if they are debating whether or not the tags should be disabled after purchase there could be problems arising here.

    Say I buy a winter coat from Walmart in the fall. Then near the end of winter I go back to buy a windbreaker for spring's warmer weather. Am I going to have to keep a recipt in my pocket to prove that I bought the jacket?

    Or I go and buy a PDA from Circuit City then come back a week later and buy a printer (using the PDA as my check register)...how do I prove that it is now mine and not lifted?

    Sure some of you are going to say "the security tags get removed at checkout" or "The RFID signature will be removed from the database and will not exist anymore to bother you", but consider... ...how many times have you bought a DVD had it 'cleared' of the security tag only to get beeped at the door? ...what if you buy something, thier computer crashes and they have to pull fro ma backup from the previous day? Won't the RFID tag be in the database again?

    Good idea, but I'm too familiar about the quality and the ability of the people who try to implement it. Some of these people can't pour sand out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

    Phoenix

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    1. Re:RFID and shoplifting by kcbrown · · Score: 2
      ...what if you buy something, thier computer crashes and they have to pull fro ma backup from the previous day? Won't the RFID tag be in the database again?

      Nope. This is why the RFID transaction information gets stored at the terminals as well as the main database. At the end of the day, the information in the terminals gets run against the database. Those RFID entries in the terminals that still appear in the database get removed from the database at that time. The terminals can store however many days' worth of transactions you want, because transactions that have already cleared the main database can't be cleared again.

      It's not like distributed, redundant databases are that new anymore...

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  73. How long by heikkile · · Score: 3, Interesting
    How long can it take until we geeks can buy a little scanner to locate and read those chips? Possibly find various geeky uses for them?

    Nothing's so bad that it can't be used for some good...

    --

    In Murphy We Turst

    1. Re:How long by nizo · · Score: 2
      How long can it take until we geeks can buy a little scanner to locate and read those chips? Possibly find various geeky uses for them?

      Oh my, the lady next to me in the train is wearing hot pink underclothes from Walmart, while her friend in the dress appears to be wearing none at all (sounds of loose change falling to the floor).

  74. after first encounter by hany · · Score: 1
    If I go and buy a new tyre from the store and *shudder* fit it myself, how will anyone know to match the tyre to the car?

    After first encounter where your tyres had been scaned and at the same time you've been legitimized for say too quick driving or say "quick check whether you are terorists or not - you know, we're at war with terrorists".

    After that you either buy and install new tyres or you'll be precisely at the beginig (when you got your RFIDed tyres with the car).

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    hany
    1. Re:after first encounter by ReTay · · Score: 1

      Well lets see here one very easy way is to include them at the choke points like gas stations and freeway on ramps use digital cameras with a variant of facial recognition software to "read" your license plate and every time you gas up or get on or off the freeway your tire/license plate/paint job/whatever is being used is updated. As for too much data flow I think not. Compared to Carnivore this would be trivial. Or the other one that the French (I think?) Are suing the U.S. government for using for industrial espionage. Now that would take some computing horsepower!

  75. It may interest you to know.. by fistynuts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..that this is exactly the kind of technology currently being implementeed to make U.S. airports a 'safer place' - unique RFID tags are being attached to passenger bags at check-in so they can't get lost, be switched for other bags, get put on the wrong plane etc. At least that's the theory.

    --
    "You heard the man, Tubbs.. get undressed."
  76. Maximum 30 meter range by deeLo57 · · Score: 1

    that is if you use the 2450 mhz chip from Alien technology

    1. Re:Maximum 30 meter range by RidgyDigiDude · · Score: 1

      Any maximum quoted range for these things is
      probably based on a reading device intended for
      commercial use. In principle the signal goes on
      forever, it's just a matter of how much money and
      technology they're prepared to put into a detector.
      The military has some wonderful technology, and
      applied to this problem they could undoubtedly do
      _far_ better than 30 meters.

      Regards, RGC.

      --
      I want to live as an honest man, to get all I deserve and give all I can, to love a young woman who I don't understand.
  77. A better idea .... by mustangdavis · · Score: 2

    You don't need to nuke your clothes ....

    Just wear a faraday (sp???) cage!!!

    Ya know, the wire mesh inside of your microwave that prevents the radiation from escaping!

    This way, you have a bullet proof vest on while you're running from the store you just stole 3 shirts from .... j/k


    Besdies, nuking some clothes might be bad since they may shink when heated too much :)

    1. Re:A better idea .... by dabootsie · · Score: 1

      Microwaves use directional beams and they aren't fired towards the front window. If they were, the screen wouldn't do a very good job at stopping the radiation anyway. It's high-energy EM radiation, not unlike the lower-energy light that escapes just fine.

      The screen's only there to waylay concerns about radiation from the consumers, most of whom don't understand how the microwave works.

    2. Re:A better idea .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This way, you have a bullet proof vest on while you're running from the store you just stole 3 shirts from"

      You get shot at for stealing clothes? Wow - where do you live? Mexico? The third world? Far out!

    3. Re:A better idea .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


      Microwaves use directional beams and they aren't fired towards the front window. If they were, the screen wouldn't do a very good job at stopping the radiation anyway. It's high-energy EM radiation, not unlike the lower-energy light that escapes just fine.



      All of this is wrong. Microwaves are on a wavelength of about 10 cm, making a microwave photon about 20,000 times less energetic than a visible photon. The beam may be vaguely directional, but the microwave gets filled fairly uniformly with radiation after reflections. Finally, that screen with the holes a few millimeters across does an excellent job of stopping microwave radiation; due to the microwaves' longer wavelength, the screen looks like a solid barrier to them, while visible light passes through the holes easily.

    4. Re:A better idea .... by Eccles · · Score: 1

      This way, you have a bullet proof vest on while you're running from the store you just stole 3 shirts from ....

      Thanks for the advice, Winona.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    5. Re:A better idea .... by AJWM · · Score: 5, Informative

      most of whom don't understand how the microwave works

      Including, apparently, the poster.

      The microwave oven beam is directional only until it hits the "stirrer", a rotating paddle designed to spread the microwaves all over the interior of the oven (for even heating). Plenty will leak out the front if it isn't shielded.

      The screen does a wonderful job at stopping the (microwave) radiation, since the holes are far smaller than the wavelength -- it "looks" like solid metal to the microwaves.

      As for the energy -- there may be higher total wattage in the microwave beam, but per-photon the higher-frequency light waves have much higher energy. That higher frequency also means the wavelength is small enough to easily pass through the holes in the screen, so you can watch your dinner cooking, or the pretty light show from nuking an AOL CD.

      --
      -- Alastair
    6. Re:A better idea .... by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1
      The microwave oven beam is directional only until it hits the "stirrer", a rotating paddle designed to spread the microwaves all over the interior of the oven

      Just what kind of a microwave do you have? I've never seen ANY modern consumer microwave oven design with ANY type of mechanical 'stirring' device. Could you provide any sort of reference for your claim? :)

      Most microwave ovens just let the microwaves bounce around the inside of the cavity and use a turntable to avoid the effects of EM nodes and anti-nodes causing hot/cold spots in the food.

      ...And, yes, I have disassembled a lot of consumer microwave ovens. The magnetrons are a great for building plasma generators. ;)

  78. I'll be drying my clothes differently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putting them through the microwave instead fo the drier... Now for the electronics this will be a problem.

    1. Re:I'll be drying my clothes differently... by tkg · · Score: 1

      Make sure the cat doesn't crawl into the laundry basket first.

  79. Density of receivers by rotenberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before anyone panics there are several things to consider:

    1. Unless the receiver can determine the distance to the RFID tag (and this is usually not the case), the tag's location cannot be determined with any greater accuracy that the distance to the nearest receiver. To "locate" a tag, there must be many expensive receivers no how many cheap tags there are. Remember, we live in three dimensions.

    2. The range of passively powered tags is only a few meters, and they all tend to reply at the same time when a bunch are pinged, causing interference.

    These difficulties can be solved, but not soon.

    1. Re:Density of receivers by BlackHawk · · Score: 2
      • 1. Unless the receiver can determine the distance to the RFID tag (and this is usually not the case), the tag's location cannot be determined with any greater accuracy that the distance to the nearest receiver. To "locate" a tag, there must be many expensive receivers no how many cheap tags there are. Remember, we live in three dimensions.

        2. The range of passively powered tags is only a few meters, and they all tend to reply at the same time when a bunch are pinged, causing interference.

      And both of these points can be easily dealt with by limiting the data collection points to a very common location: a doorway.

      Locate your receivers in the doorways of several public and private places, and you could track movements for the majority of the population across the majority of their day. In cities, you could wire the public transit, as well. Minority Report should be seen as a preview of things to come, if we aren't very, very careful. And to do that, the average citizen needs to wake up .

      --

      Believe nothing, not even if I say it, if it violates your sense of reason -- Buddha

    2. Re:Density of receivers by thogard · · Score: 2

      From what I've seen of most RFID tags, a few meters is pushing it. The little Tiris tags work great for about 10cm (6 in). Many people buy into the RFID concept thinking they can get a little device that will point at the tag they are looking at but someone has to design a much better reciver to pull that off. (I have a buyer if you've got the design)

  80. strange range by BESTouff · · Score: 1

    In related news, Procter & Gamble still wonder why RFID embedded in Springle cans can be read from 100 meters instead of the regular 3 to 5 meters ...

  81. It's the next step... by Dread_ed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...in a totally consumer driven economy. Eventually when you walk by the "smart ad's" (like the ones in Minority Report) all the advertising companies have to do is scan your clothing, shoes, belt, etc.

    From this one can find out not only what you like to buy, but how long you have had what you are wearing and how much you paid for it, possibly even where you bought it.

    Include this with a retinal scan and a database of past product scans of the individual (not to mention other purchase profiles sold to advertisers by your supermarket/travel agent/etc.) and you start to build a fantastic database on the buying habits of the individual in question.

    The "smart ad" accesses the database, crossreferences you and your buying habits.

    Couple of instants later and *POOF* a personally tailored, computer generated ad pops up and starts calling your name using those trick directional ultrasonic sound generators...subliminals and throbbing music lulling you into a state of complete fiscal abandon...Showing you the way to the nearest store that will painlessly seperate you from the next sizable chunk of your no-longer-disposable income.

    Sounds like a corporate driven police state where every purchase you make is tracked and logged to provide clues to allow companies to exploit your weaknesses for fine fragrances, goat porn, or cheap little southeast-asian made plastic trinkets.

    Think I'll start making my own hemp clothes right now...gonna need some practice.

    --
    When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    1. Re:It's the next step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Methinks there are good career opportunities in designing/making/tending ridiculously large databases...

    2. Re:It's the next step... by ethereal · · Score: 1

      And in fact there's even a special title for this job: you'd be a poindexter. Example: "I'm applying to be an assistant poindexter at the TIPS program."

      Deprecated: "But you're standin' on the wall like you was Poindexter." (Young M.C.)

      --

      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

  82. A Deepness in the Sky by alispguru · · Score: 2

    ... by Vernor Vinge. Go read it, especially the part where he talks about nanoscale "localizers". Second scariest part of the book, in my opinion, the scariest being "focus" - we'd better hope mechanical AI is feasible, because if it isn't, "focus" almost certainly is feasible, and would make RFID-based totalitarianism feel like a walk in the park.

    --

    To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
  83. prices will go down? by agurkan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Don't get me wrong. RFID tags are, on the whole, a useful development and a compelling technology. They permit retailers to slim inventory levels and reduce theft, which one industry group estimates at $50 billion a year. With RFID tags providing economic efficiencies for businesses, consumers likely will end up with more choices and lower prices. Besides, wouldn't it be handy to grab a few items from store shelves and simply walk out, with the purchase automatically debited from your (hopefully secure) RFID'd credit card?
    Since when did the businesses lowered prices because of efficieny increased? I think only their profit margin will increase. It must be more cost effective to deal with a few disturbed customers than to tolarate shoplifting.
    --
    ato
    1. Re:prices will go down? by mesocyclone · · Score: 2

      Since when did the businesses lowered prices because of efficieny increased? I think only their profit margin will increase. It must be more cost effective to deal with a few disturbed customers than to tolarate shoplifting.


      Oh puleez.

      How about since competition was invented, about 10000 years ago?

      There seems to be no cure for ignorant anti-business ranting!

      --

      The only good weather is bad weather.

    2. Re:prices will go down? by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      It is obvious some have no clue about the past.

      "Be they the Butcher, the Baker, the Candle Stick maker. If everything goes well, they might be able to buy a new suit of clothers every 15 years or so". From an auto biography circa 1650.

      --
      - High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
  84. DIY EMP Generator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How big an EMP generator do you need to fry such a radio chip within 10 feet?

    Read Vernor Vinge's "A Deepness In the Sky". One of the secret weapons is a cloud of chips similar to the ones described. Each chip is a low-res imager, microphone, memory, GPS-type locator, and router. Power is provided by a once-a-second microwave pulse. Once released through the space station on a gust of air, they stick to things and people, and build themselves into a routing mesh. Administrators of this network can then eavesdrop on anyone, anywhere...

    And buried in this surface functionality are extra layers of usefulness hidden from the people who originally deploy them...

  85. buisness plan by adamruck · · Score: 2, Funny

    my tinfoil suit is getting more and more usefull all of the time.

    first this
    then this
    then some more
    even more of the same stuff
    oh some more stuff

    and finally this article.

    1. market for tinfoil suit, see above.
    2. Mass produce tinfoil suit
    3. Sell it on thinkgeek
    4. profit!

    --
    Selling software wont make you money, selling a service will.
    1. Re:buisness plan by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      my tinfoil suit


      I would imagine wearing a tinfoil suit in a strong radio field is similar to wearing a "Hot Pocket" browning jacket (micro-wavable pastry snack).

      --
      - High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
  86. Spoofing for fun and profit by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I predict that a large amount of spoofing will arise before long... it'll be easy enough to detect the interregation pulse, and respond with your own info, or jam it, or listen along with the intended receiver.

    This thing is going to be hacked more than anything else before.

    --Mike--

  87. The signal would be weak by TerryAtWork · · Score: 2

    If the transmitter uses the radio signal itself as a power source, how strong can the reply be?

    I think we'll need a BIG satellite for that one.

    --
    It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
  88. Jamming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There's no FCC licensing for this stuff, afaik. So if it's using unlicensed frequencies, it's legal for anyone to transmit same, right? And since these are passive devices, the return signal has to be awfully weak - same principle that makes a military jet capable of jamming a large ground-based radar. So it should be possible to (a) transmit your own rfid "queries" and see what comes back, or (b) transmit a weak signal that is still plenty strong to drown out any rfid tags in the area.

    I'd rather have legislation mandating tag deactivation when they leave the store, but am I right about all this?

  89. in near future by hany · · Score: 1

    Maybe in near future we may see marks like this:

    WARNING! All citizens without RFIDed underwear are going to be bombed into stoneage instantly without further notice! WARNING!

    Or even some EULA like marks like:

    By entering this subway you agree to following terms of service:
    ...
    x) If your underwear is not RFIDed you'll be thrown out of vehicle right after it reaches its full speed.
    ...

    (such mark may be best hidden^H^H^H^H^H^Hplaced somewhere here all superparanoid people with microscopic vision Xmen ability(TM) can find it and read it)

    --
    hany
  90. Bean's solution by neonfrog · · Score: 1

    Strip naked with your friends and commit barbarous acts in the vent system of the battle school.

    --

    I'm thinking about it, therefore I might be.

    1. Re:Bean's solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming we have friends, safety cable, and a space station. Who needs the tinfoil hat now buddy?

      I might add Ryo-Ohki ears to my hat though.

  91. Integrate with online shopping ... by dunstan · · Score: 2

    One application for these is that you enable RF on your fridge and hey presto, when you're running out of beer your fridge orders some more.

    Dunstan

    --
    The last scintilla of doubt just rode out of town
  92. Brave New World vs 1984 by hessian · · Score: 1

    In 1984, it was governments that were the "oppressor."

    Now we see how willing business is to cut losses via shoplifting, make collecting data from customers easier, and make money from resale of privacy data.

    Maybe they should just call these "RL cookies" as they serve the same function... except not edible like the namesake of the online tracking token.

  93. Business 2.0 Coverage (from May, 2002) by feelafel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Business 2.0 had a feature on RFID tags just under a year ago. The feature talks about how companies are planning on using the tags primarily as a means of better inventory tracking internally, and how other devices like laundry machines will be able to make use of the tags in order to determine, for instance, what types of fabric are being inserted. Most of the tags planned for use in commodity items are "passive tags" which don't broadcast their identity.

    A sidebar talks about how Walmart plans on being an early adopter.

    Privacy concerns? Pish. Do you REALLY think that people out there care enough about whether or not your clothes are a dacron/polyester blend to go around scanning you? I'm totally for the idea of allowing products to answer a "What are you?" question from devices like store checkouts, laundry machines, etc. Saves me the time from "asking" and "answering" the question myself.

  94. Also, don't forget. by Absurd+Being · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to sue the people who are making these ID's at some point after you get cancer.

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    Karma: Excellent^(-t/Tau), Tau=Wittiness/Trollishness
  95. anti-shoplifting devices by agurkan · · Score: 2

    to quote from cryptogram: "If you have ever wondered how the special anti-shoplifting tags you see on merchandise work, this article is a real eye-opener!"

    --
    ato
  96. We have this now by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is very similar to how the existing anti-theft system found at most retailers works (you know, those little flat rectangular stickers on higher-value merchandise).

    The sensors at the store's exits transmit a weak radio signal. The devices attached to the product contain a very simple circuit designed to receive on that frequency. It converts the energy from that frequency radio wave to electricity used to broadcast a new signal at another frequency. When the sensors detect a transmission at that output frequency they sound the alarm.

    The devices at the cash registers that disable the security system do so simply by transmitting at the same frequency as the sensors by the exits, except at a much greater power. This overloads the circuit in the security tag, and basically burns it up so it no longer functions.

    All this article refers to is the same system, except that it sends additional information such as an ID. I would imagine that it would be prone to the same input overload, so that if you transmitted a very strong signal at the input frequency it would damage the device so it would no longer function.

    Also, we are talking about extremely weak output from this device. It would be extremely easy to jam this signal with a simple transmitter.

    Finally, the logistics of such a system would greatly limit its use. Imagine broadcasting a signal to power the devices, and getting back a response from the several thousand items closest to you in Wal Mart. It would be raw static. The only usefulness of such a system at non-trivial ranges would be to track a handful of objects.

    Dan East

    --
    Better known as 318230.
  97. Drivers Licenses... by jhines0042 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine that your state requires you to carry a drivers license that has an RFID chip in it that returns your SSN when it is scanned by the police from a nearby police car.

    I don't think that that technology is too far fetched.

    While drivers licenses might be a bit tough for people to swallow, imagine requiring them in all US passports? Then customs/immigration would be able to track anyone while they were inside of the designated security zones inside of airports. Great for tracking terrorists!

    Anyone want to patent this to keep it from ever being used?

    --
    42 - So long and thanks for all the fish.
    1. Re:Drivers Licenses... by russellh · · Score: 1

      I think people just won't accept that. But in any case, you can bet that the NRA will make sure that guns won't be RFID tagged.

      --
      must... stay... awake...
    2. Re:Drivers Licenses... by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 1

      Well, the ol' "unlawful search and seizure" clause would hopefully protect us from your scenario. Additionally, the range and power of this generation of RFID tags probably wouldn't work through a car's frame.

      As for the passport scenario there's two problems with that. First, non-US passports. Second, US passports are issued for 10 year lengths. It would take a long time for this tech to cycle into all US passports and probably be obsolete by the time it got there.

      Passports are an interesting thing. Looking at all of the problems they have can show us all of the problems we can expect to have (and more) with any computer ID system like MS's Passport or the Liberty Alliance.

      --
      --- I wish I could hear the soundtrack to my life. That way I'd know when to duck.
  98. Information Exchange by Niles_Stonne · · Score: 2

    Ok, if they're going to be tracking me, I want to be able to track them.

    It's their decision, either share their location information with me, or don't try to track me.

    --
    Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but copyright will always protect me.
  99. Tracking the Spouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jealous Husband> Where is my wife now?

    RFID Tech> Well, I'm not sure where she is, but her panties are on the floor of Shaquil Oneal's bedroom.

  100. How fragile are these things? by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 2

    Would a localized magnetic pulse disable them, for instance? I'm not so bothered by the tags themselves because there will almost certainly be a way to easily disable them once you have your goods at home... unless of course they apply the DMCA circumvention provisions to that too.

  101. Diamond Age by LudditeMind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So does this make Neal Stephenson a prophet? So far so good.

  102. In other news... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
    Star Radionics , a Kalamazoo*, Michigan technology startup has announced a new line of products in it's immensely successful CloZapper line of microwave clothing-zappers. The new line of products do not call anymore for the clothing to be totally enclosed in a resonating cavity, as before. Furthermore, the new line, being tuned to the resonant frequency of silicon, is no longer is harmful to chordates, thus enabling zapping of clothes whilst being worn.
    The top of the line models include a state-of-the-art spectrum analyzer that's useful to track down the femtochip before zapping it, so only the affected area can be "treated" and that the zapping can positively be ascertainted, not to mention the power savings afforded by the unit.

    * Yes, there really is a Kalamazoo (any /.er from there can attest that the sign at the station is still up?).

  103. Similar tech to famous Russian spying device by tdrury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It sounds like the RFID technology is similar a
    famous Russian listening device.

    This device was totally passive, but when hit with a specific RF frequency (via a very directional beam) it would reflect the beam back but modulated by the sound in the room. The Russians could demodulate the signal and get the audio back. They hid the device in a carved wooden Seal of the United States that they presented to the US Embassador to Russia who proudly hung it above his desk. The Russian were privy to all conversations that took place in his office.

    After a while the American figured his room was bugged so they sent in technicians to find the bug. The Russians weren't stupid - they knew when technicians arrived and simply turned off the directional RF carrier beam. They would turn it back on when the technicians left. Finally the Americans got smarter and all left but one who hid in the office with RF listening gear. When the Russians turned the RF carrier on, he detected it and figured it out it was embedded in the Seal. It was quite a scandal.

    1. Re:Similar tech to famous Russian spying device by Bohiti · · Score: 1

      I saw that story on the History Channel just a little while ago. Aah, nothing better than falling asleep to a History Channel showing of "How Hitler Almost Conquered the World" or "Why YOU Should Be Afraid of the CIA".

  104. Time to become a Luddite... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    I found an interesting paper on the history of the luddite movement.

    Perhaps that is the way to go - escue all technology and move to the woods - collect our own cotton and wool and build human powered looms (even that is a bit too much technology...) to make our RFID-Free clothes...

    Ok, where did I leave my PDA?

    --

    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  105. makes it easier... by dallask · · Score: 1

    easier than scanning a retena A La Minority Report.

    Just imagine walking through the mall and haveing target ads through interactive billboards pusing products to you based on the socks your wearing...

    also, how long before we have to start registering our pants??? Will Microsoft actualy come out with the long fabled "Smarty Pants"?

    --
    The Code Ninja is swift with his tool, precise in his delivery, and deadly accurate in his execution.
  106. That particular use doesn't seem so bad by phr2 · · Score: 2

    since cars already have license plates that identify them from a distance. I can't see why anyone would want to read RFID's out of tires on the freeways when they can just read the license plates of the cars instead.

    1. Re:That particular use doesn't seem so bad by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      since cars already have license plates that identify them from a distance. I can't see why anyone would want to read RFID's out of tires on the freeways when they can just read the license plates of the cars instead.

      'cause most criminals don't think to switch the tires of a stolen car?

  107. Reminds me of taggants years back by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Back around the time of the Oklahoma bombing, there was talk of requiring taggants in all explosive, and that some had them, already. Of course Oklahoma would have required taggants in fertilizer, as well. I don't know if they were seriously proposing that.

    But with the amount of fireworks and roadwork going on, wind dispersal and all, it seemed to me at the time that we'd rapidly get to the point where *every* environmental sample would include some background level of taggants. At that point, tracing explosives would become a statistical process, and certainty would be long gone.

    IMHO, the problem with RFID in everything would be the sheer data volume. Assume each and every RFID had a unique number, and then imagine the size of the database to track all of that, not to mention the monitoring infrastructure. Then remember that they can't even track election results.

    --
    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  108. What we need by TheEnglishPatient · · Score: 1

    is a 'Bond' style detector so we can check if any of our clothing has one of these babies before we decide what to do about it.
    Nick

  109. FUD Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Working for a rather large corporation that is working heavily with RFID technology, I can atest that this article is entirely FUD (and misinformed FUD at that).

    RFID tags are not the size of "grains of sand" but rather the size of an oversized stamp. They are based on passive RF technology. When probed, they absorb a little of the energy and use it to respond. Outside an RFID scanners range, they are just circuits and have no function.

    The price point the article quotes is also very wrong. Costs are much lower but still 2x - 3x what they need to be.

    So what is this technology being developed for? To replace UPC labels! Instead of having to scan a bar code, you bombared an RFID with energy. An RFID is just as useless as a bar code in the absence of a scanner. The only difference it's a lot harder to mess up scanning an RFID than a bar code (not to mention that bar codes can degrade much easier than RFIDs).

    This article was absolutely FUD. Just someone trying to cause a ruckus over nothing.

    1. Re:FUD Alert by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      If you are who you say you are - post under your real nic -

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      Lodragan Draoidh
      The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    2. Re:FUD Alert by myrashka · · Score: 1

      "The only difference it's a lot harder to mess up scanning an RFID than a bar code..."

      Try telling that to my EZ-PASS. Multiple time I've gone through where it's had problems scanning my "RFID" tag....the old bar codes in the rear driver's window worked better IMHO;) And what happens if you happen to walk left of the scanning sweet spot (cause the scanner's moved to the vibration of your typical retail shop).

      I get what you mean, but with RFID, there will be plenty of ways to still mess it up. Just raise the base rf noise level with a leaky cell phone (or bluetooth or whatever other cool wireless technologies we run into).

    3. Re:FUD Alert by MountainBoiler · · Score: 1
      About 5 years ago I worked for a technical distributor and sat through a sales presentation for an RFID product.

      The size was around a button. Not all were passive, and some even permitted storing data, such as a time stamp (of last access). No external antennae.

      At the time, the cost was sufficient that the 2 best examples were for: (1) security guard rounds and (2) pallete inventory.

      For security guards, some have barcode readers, and would scan barcodes at checkpoints at regular intervals to prove there were there. Only some of the guards were getting 'smart' and photocopied the barcodes into a page and would scan from the page while at their desk. The RFID would be more difficult to 'copy', so it would force the guards to do their rounds.

      Inventory of palletes was to track a)what parts are in the bulk pallete and b)possibly a quantity. This appeared to be aimed at manufacturing wharehouses. But this showed the possibility of memory built into the RFID tag! Granted, the memory was small ?48 bits?, but it was still there.

      Some of the tags they showed us required contact (reader device supplied power to the button) while others did use RF signals for power over short distances.

    4. Re:FUD Alert by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      Hmmm...I never realised that all RFDI tags were exactly the same.

      RFID tags are not the size of "grains of sand" but rather the size of an oversized stamp.

      Apparently, the ones used in livestock are just slightly larger than a grain of rice.

      Outside an RFID scanners range, they are just circuits and have no function.

      Given that this article gives a possible range of up to 5 meters, one could easily place scanners in high foot-traffic places like bus/train/subway terminals, airports, major shopping malls, fast-food joints etc.

      So what is this technology being developed for? To replace UPC labels! Instead of having to scan a bar code, you bombared an RFID with energy.

      Well apparently, you only know of one use of these devices in a certain field. They're already used in livestock, pets, and apparently tires. I'm sure the list goes on and one, and I'm positive that they're not just a replacement for UPC barcodes.

      Even if the article is a little over-exaggerated, it's something that could happen in the very close future. It's definitely not FUD.

    5. Re:FUD Alert by hacker · · Score: 2
      RFID tags are not the size of "grains of sand" but rather the size of an oversized stamp. They are based on passive RF technology. When probed, they absorb a little of the energy and use it to respond. Outside an RFID scanners range, they are just circuits and have no function.

      You must be using some pretty-old technology there. Current RFID tags are the size of a grain of rice, and contain 20k of writable storage on the RFID tag itself. You might want to upgrade your technology, or at least your understanding of it.

      I've been present at one demo where these exact tags were used and displayed. Great technology for material tracking on a warehouse floor and on moving palettes. They can scan 100 tags/second going through a doorway.

      However, the maliscious uses are obvious..

  110. Huh? See "Minority Report"? by phr2 · · Score: 2

    First of all the $.50/tag price will drop to zero just like for any electronic product. Second, a 1/2" to 4" antenna that can read the tag from 15 feet away is concealable and potentially extremely invasive. Do you really want receivers on every streetcorner, retail store, etc. to be able to take a complete inventory of everything you're wearing or carrying as you walk by?

  111. Economics 101 by Doctor+Hu · · Score: 2, Informative
    Blockquoth the submitter: ...and currently the RFID industry seems to be giving 'mixed' signals about whether the tags will be disabled or left enabled by default."
    Permit me to unmix them: if it will cost the tag-users more to disable the tags than to leave then enabled, and they can be left enabled without reducing their utility to the tag-users, then they will be left enabled.

    For this statement of the obvious, there is no charge.

  112. The ones I heard about send a 48-bit number by phr2 · · Score: 2

    Or maybe it was 64 bits. Either way it's more than enough to assign a unique number to every individual jacket, wristwatch, or candy bar that leaves a production line.

  113. Another use for Amateur Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm.... I wonder... They're operating in the VHF/UHF range. How well will these little tags survive when I am transmitting Microwave/VHF/UHF/HF?

    I'll set all my belongings in a pile and transmit a kilowatt at them with a beam antenna.

  114. Undergarments by aliens · · Score: 1

    Do they really want to know where some peoples' underwear has been?

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  115. Even simpler by phorm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't wear clothes. When you're in court for indecent exposure, tell them that RFID tags have made current clothing violate your right to privacy/anonymity...

    That, or you could advertise a protect using your body...

    1. Re:Even simpler by jandrese · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope you appreciate the irony of walking around naked to protect your privacy.

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    2. Re:Even simpler by Exedore · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I would hope that the judge appreciates it also. If not, I'm sure your fellow inmates will find it convenient, if not ironic.

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    3. Re:Even simpler by Bob+McCown · · Score: 1
      I hope you appreciate the irony of walking around naked to protect your privacy.

      I dont think he means privates.

    4. Re:Even simpler by phorm · · Score: 2

      It's more to protect one's anonymity. While I wouldn't walk naked in public, I would rather do so than give out a 95% coverage of my daily activities etc.

      At the very least, the amount of spam would really suck if one could track where an individual shops, frequents, etc.

      Not to mention:
      So Mr. Smith... when you called in sick to work to day the RFID readers at the "pearly oyster" registered the tag on your ballcap entering the premisis

    5. Re:Even simpler by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I could see prisoners (and then convicted sex offenders) being among the first group of people to be "chipped" like this. Then you just need good scanners around the vicinity of the prison and you can track any escapes. Heck, you could even follow prisoners around the grounds, see who they associate with, see if they're extra friendly with one or the other of the guards, etc. Schools could have an alarm that goes off if a sex offender comes within 200 feet (or whatever the limit is).

      Mark my words: prisoners and sex offenders will be the first chipped, but not the last. Cheap remote identification of physical objects and people is the beginning of the end for privacy in this world.

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    6. Re:Even simpler by blitziod · · Score: 1

      I hope you are a h ot chick if you are gonna be walking around naked!

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    7. Re:Even simpler by sugrshack · · Score: 2

      consumers of the world! you have nothing to lose but your clothes! (or your lunch, depending on the state of physical fitness of your cow orkers)

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    8. Re:Even simpler by Lurgen · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about accidently ingesting one, and being mistaken for something else at the airport.

      Imagine look on the customs officers face when his scanner insists that the guy in front of him is actually a banana? Or worse still, a case of beer.

      Imagine explaining that one away... "honestly sir, I'm a person! Please, you gotta believe me!"

  116. A serious, non paranoid application??? by dallask · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this is a great idea... but it would need some further development to make the product stronger... hear me out.

    Imagine if we could shrink down GPS to this level, or at the very least, to the size of the pet microchip. Would you be opposed to having the chip implanted into your childs clothes and personal items in order to find them in case of an abduction??? or to keep tabs on them in general?

    I wouldnt.

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  117. RFID Applied by Lechter · · Score: 2

    Interesting someone should mention RFID, as I've recently an article which mentions it's use on a site we've already seen today.

    Seems Prada (because every woman needs a $600 plain black purse) is trying all sorts of new tech in their newest New York store (and failing from the sound of it). The relevent bit comes from their experience with using RFID's in all the items' sales tags (to link up to the DB, to inform consumers of other products, to PROFIT etc) Unfortunately, the computers, monitors, power cables and data cables in the store interfere with the RFID tags so badly that all sorts of location-specific tuning of the receivers needed to be done to get them to work - and they only worked passably when every cable was well shielded.

    The upshot I suppose is that RFID simply can't be ubiquotous enough to be worrying for a few years anyway.

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  118. The scariest aspect has nothing to do with privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides, wouldn't it be handy to grab a few items from store shelves and simply walk out, with the purchase automatically debited from your (hopefully secure) RFID'd credit card?

    This ought to scare the living shit out of any married man. When the wife finds out about this, they might as well declare bankruptcy now.

  119. *sigh* by seangw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the requirements of the RFID technology is that you logically need a receiver within X distance of it, to determine within an area at least 2piX^2 where you are.

    If we are worried "they" will know where we are, "they" will need a sensor wherever we are. A very unrealistic concept.

    More likely will be sensors on toll booths on interstates, and things of that sort. Whereas using license plates from those cameras that are everywhere would still suffice to do that type of tracking.

    1. Re:*sigh* by praedor · · Score: 2

      It's not this in an of itself, it is the additive effect of many such techniques/technologies that bears watching. Your license plate camera can only localize a car to a turnpike on a given date, it cannot identify what businesses, friends, parks you visit.


      All you need is some George W. Bush and Adm. Poindexter to get together and decide that there are all these separate little things, none of which are specifically linked together, that can be used to track people. Let's create a central repository and database that will tie all these various identifiers and trackers together into one coherent system. Credit card purchases, RFIDs, chips in your driver's license or other ID, face recognition software and cameras, license plate cameras, etc, all glomed into a nice central database accessible to trustworthy souls like...Bush and Poindexter.


      This is just one more item that must be watched CLOSELY to ensure that its use is strictly limited. Nifty addons ands expansions need to be reviewed by people OTHER than a Bush or Poindexter, et al, and limits established and not exceeded. It is too easy to incrementally add "features" and capabilities for "customer satisfaction" or for "homeland security" purposes. The problem is a bunch of incremental steps add up big in the end.


      This is just something to keep a wary eye on, not something (yet) requiring aluminum foil hats or Tempest-class houses.

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    2. Re:*sigh* by seangw · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, this stuff isn't hard to do with the technologies now out there.

      If I wanted to disillusion myself that this information will never exist, I'd be more afraid of my newly purchased GPS enabled cell phone. Talk about scary.

      Not only can my location be tracked, but linked to my SSN, my Credit Card, and additionally a listing of who I talk to.

      The same issues arose with bar codes. Remember all those sci-fi shows with characters who have bar codes on them?

      All these RFIDs are is small bar codes that don't require the cashier to look for it.

      My point is that emphasizing how dangerous this could be is futile, since it's a minor step in a series of steps that have already begun long ago.

  120. Too bad, The Man already has banned them... by zora · · Score: 1
    Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie's are now Ilegal in the great state of Colorado.

    In an effort to combat shoplifting the state legislature passed a law that basically makes it a misdemeanor for you to "POSSESS A THEFT DETECTION SHIELDING DEVICE..." (read aluminum foil underwear or Deflector Beanie)

    Our duly elected represenatives go on to define them as" "...INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, ANY LAMINATED OR COATED SACK OR CONTAINER THAT IS CAPABLE OF AVOIDING DETECTION BY A THEFT DETECTION DEVICE."

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    1. Re:Too bad, The Man already has banned them... by Nfnitloop · · Score: 1

      Since when is a beanie a theft sheilding device? I don't think anyone here is talking about disabling anything so they can shoplift. Once the RFID tags are in their home then they're talking about making sure that they're not active by frying them.

    2. Re:Too bad, The Man already has banned them... by Nihilanth · · Score: 2

      Interesting..now here's a question.

      Remember those pants that someone (levi i think) were marketing as having shielded pockets so your cellphone dosen't fry your nads? I wonder what these shielded pockets would do to RFID or magnetic theft countermeasures, these pants could possibly fall afoul of this law.

  121. SIMPLE by Brent_Litzer · · Score: 1
    It's SIMPLE to add this extra functionality. I unique id matched with point of sale identification is all it takes. Once one id is identified, others you happen to be wearing can be thrown in the database. Simple ids can be searched in a database at the speed of logN, so trillions of ids can be tracked easily.

    In 10 years, all those cell transmitters we see every water tower and radio tower will have many new uses. The infrastructure is there for Big-Bro to take advantage of. All it would take is a couple more terrorist attacks of any size, before the government goes nuts and citizens approve of it in the name of stopping terrorists. But, like toll roads, and hurpies, once put in place, they stay.

    Pretty soon you won't even be able to jay walk or even step on the fricken cracks in the pavement.

    -BDL

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  122. oh great by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2
    So what happens when that Snickers wrapper gets blown out your car window by accident. Right now, a cop isn't going to give you trouble over such a thing because he'd have to see you to fine you, and he's not likely to fine you over a simple mistake.

    Besides, I think candy wrappers are the least of the problems the enviornment has. First I think we should find ways to reduce toxic waste dumping, etc.

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    1. Re:oh great by kwerle · · Score: 2

      So what happens when that Snickers wrapper gets blown out your car window by accident. Right now, a cop isn't going to give you trouble over such a thing because he'd have to see you to fine you, and he's not likely to fine you over a simple mistake.

      If a Snickers wrapper blows out of your car window by accident, you SHOULD be fined. It is your fault this wrapper polluted the environment.

      See also New York citing J-walkers as a start with "cleaning up the city". A program that seems to have worked.

    2. Re:oh great by Sho0tyz · · Score: 1

      So the guy used a bad example, but he had the right idea. Let's say I throw my snickers wrapper in a trash can somewhere. The guy who empties this trash can wasn't careful and spilled a few things. So now I can get fined for his littering? Second example, I purchase a snickers bar and give it to a friend. Later, the firend eats the candy bar and throws the wrapper out of the window of his car. Should I be fined for this? There are a lot of ways trash can end up on the ground, and not all of them will be the original purchaser's fault.

    3. Re:oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, might be more efficient to clean the environment by getting rid of all the hippies.

  123. But will it be useful? by hcdejong · · Score: 2

    When RFID tags are used to prevent theft, what's stopping a thief from bringing a jammer, or a device that nukes the RFID tags, to the store? RFID tags are more easily defeated than the current (larger) RF tags.

  124. Privacy but. by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 2

    While the privacy issue is a big factor, I have to say this could make tracking of stolen good much easier especially after the time of purchase if done properly.

    Imagine your house getting burglerized and all the objects are tagged as yours. They couldn't be sold anywhere legitamently or even carried anywhere that detects the tags and runs their ID's through a stolen goods database.

    Still this will get highly abused since people arn't responsible and/or ethical enough to not abuse that type of system.

    Another thought that occured to me is that content industries could enforce stricter viewing practices on their materials with these tags. It would be possible to even detect who's watching what and where and if they don't like the outcome of that formula they could ban or remove the content depending on the medium. This would really kill fair use.

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  125. Difficult by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is a difficult matter, and it's not unique to this particular case.

    All technology (hell, even nuclear technology) can be used for good and bad purposes. I can imagine many uses for RF tags that I would actually appreciate. For example, as I walk to my car, it automatically unlocks and starts the engine. Or, the front door of my home automatically unlocks for me as I grasp the doorknob. When I enter a room, the lights automatically adjust to my preferred lighting level. Provided the tag is embedded within my body, there's not much risk of it being stolen.

    But as everyone here points out, there are many possible nefarious uses for such a device. And indeed, there are nefarious uses for any technology. I could use wall current to electrocute you, blind you with a laser, or carve an "anarchy" symbol into your forehead with the sharp edge of a broken silicon wafer (ok, that's a little facetious, but you get the point).

    My question for everyone is, how much are we willing to limit our technological advancements because of possible risks?

    Let me give another example that might sound silly. Scientists are, right now, dreaming up technology to move asteroids around. One day we might use this to bring them closer, and mine them for materials. We could also use it to push an incoming asteroid out of a collision course with Earth.

    A sufficiently funded terrorist, however, could also use this technology to take the world hostage. Or, if he's having a bad day, he could endanger the survival of the human race by actually doing it, and flinging a huge rock toward Earth. Should we stop developing this asteroid-moving technology because of this risk?

    When does scientific and technological advancement become irresponsible?

    1. Re:Difficult by nebby · · Score: 2

      On Slashdot, all technological advancement is irresponsible, dangerous, and should be avoided unless it involves Open Source software.

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  126. GET A LIFE ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you realize how lame your life is ?
    Can't you cook yourself ?
    Do you have to drive to work ?
    Can't you spend your evening in a theater ?
    Don't you have a significant other IRL ?

    1. Re:GET A LIFE ! by John_Renne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Do you realize how lame your life is ?

      Yes I'm fully aware of that. Thanks for asking though

      Can't you cook yourself ?
      Yes but sometimes I choose not to do so

      Do you have to drive to work ?No, I could use public transport but that would increase traveling time quit a bit

      Can't you spend your evening in a theater ?
      I could but every night would be quit a costly hobby

      Don't you have a significant other IRL ?

      No!

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    2. Re:GET A LIFE ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His life is about as lame as most of the industrialized world.
      But thanks for your inspiring contribution to society.

  127. They're called RF-EAS tags by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Informative

    RFID technology has been around for years. Have you purchased a CD or DVD in the last few years? Remember the check-out guy "beeping" it before you left? That's an RFID tag at work. In this instance, it's just a proximity tag that will alert the store if you (ahem) neglect to purchase the product. (The official term for this is "inventory shrinkage.")

    Checkpoint Systems makes RF Electronic Article Surveilance (RF-EAS) tags (the US site is not responding, but the Japanese one is, showing the bulk tags.) And here's a company that sells machines to auto-insert the RF-EAS tag into DVD carriers.

    An amazing amount of effort has gone into reducing the cost of the RFID anti-theft tags. They're typically screen printed, and usually are destroyed when you purchase the product. It's not cost effective to make it re-programmable, as the retailers are playing a statistical game - they're weighing the probability of someone stealing a returned (or defective) unit against the reprogrammable cost that burdens EVERY unit going out the door.

    One step up from this application is the ubiquitous personnel badge that most of us drones are required to wear at the orifice. Here's one from TI (PDF datasheet.) This costs a little more, and is definitley capable of identifying who you are.

  128. DMCA by DaBj · · Score: 2

    Just curios, but wouldn't EMPing your clothes constitute a breach of the DMCA somehow?

    "Sir, you are not emitting a signal, are you aware that this is in violation of the DMCA? You will have to come with us Sir."

    [Still not sure wehter I'm joking or not}

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  129. RFID vs. Maytag by greygent · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope the RFID tags can survive the ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) nightmare that is my clunky old dryer. It would be kind of humor to see this come to fruition, only to be wiped out en masse by clothes dryers.

    Maybe I should call Maytag and see if they have some type of gauss gun add-on.

    1. Re: RFID vs. Maytag by dmccarty · · Score: 2

      They can. See this article (New Direct-to-Textile Washable Tag) from the RFID Journal magazine.

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  130. Read the article before bothering to comment by greygent · · Score: 2

    That raises the disquieting possibility of being tracked though our personal possessions. Imagine: The Gap links your sweater's RFID tag with the credit card you used to buy it and recognizes you by name when you return.

    1. Re:Read the article before bothering to comment by ethereal · · Score: 1

      Been there, done that:

      "How are those new Gap khakis working out for you, Mr. Anderton?"

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  131. Microwave clothes dryer? by og_sh0x · · Score: 2

    You mean like, using one of these?

  132. Missing the point . . . by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The author completely misses the point of the technology. Retailers love these things because they're a big step up from scanning. You walk through the store throwing stuff into your cart, then you walk through a checkout scanner that scans the whole cart and gives you a total. Swipe your credit card or feed a few dead presidents into the slot and your gone. No lines, no cashiers.

    But if that's the case, you can't use the system to track the RFID chips after the sale is complete. You don't want the scanners telling you about the pants the customer bought last week, just the stuff he's buying now.

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    1. Re:Missing the point . . . by wytcld · · Score: 2
      But if that's the case, you can't use the system to track the RFID chips after the sale is complete. You don't want the scanners telling you about the pants the customer bought last week, just the stuff he's buying now.

      Most retailers are very curious about what you've been buying from their competitors. This cuts both ways here - a retailer may want to deactivate the transponders so the competition won't learn so much, but on the other had a retailer will be very interested in reading every available tag on you to correlate the tags with your current purchase - think of Amazon's data mining system, this stuff is really big in retailing right now. So if I sell you a pair of jeans, I really do want to know what brand of underwear you like, because maybe it's a line I don't carry, and if most of my jeans customers are wearing that line, I probably should stock it. Then if I can correlate underwear preference by credit card billing address ... you get the picture?

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    2. Re:Missing the point . . . by jpm165 · · Score: 1

      So if the jeans you bought last week are still transponding, how do you not get charged for them this week when you are buying the matching underwear? Unless there is some kind of 'Already been bought' tag. BUt if there is, it would only be a matter of time before someone could construct a device that sets '$ALREADY_BEEN_BOUGHT' to 0, and then I get free stuff. Bring it on.

    3. Re:Missing the point . . . by ElectricRook · · Score: 1
      You don't want the scanners telling you about the pants the customer bought last week


      Yes you do... Customer "ElectricRook" bought blue jeans sn# 9993922473 on date 1042585429.
      Today is wearing red shirt sn#2$7^9913zr%5. Customer is wearing unpurchased shoes missing from partner store since date 104253245. Customers ssn is 666-66-6666.


      Customer bank account is frozen.


      Pre-Crime unit is enroute.

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    4. Re:Missing the point . . . by kcbrown · · Score: 2
      But if that's the case, you can't use the system to track the RFID chips after the sale is complete. You don't want the scanners telling you about the pants the customer bought last week, just the stuff he's buying now.

      Nonsense.

      What makes you think that the RFID tags are programmed only with some kind of code identifying the type of object being scanned?

      The only thing the RFID tag needs to respond with is a unique identifier. As long as all RFID tags differ from one another in this regard, then the system will work.

      Why? Because retailers have an inventory control system. So when they receive a shipment of goods, they run the items through the scanner (which reads the RFID tag and, if the RFID doesn't encode a product ID, a UPC label or something like it) and it gets entered into the inventory. When you check out, the item gets deleted from the inventory -- the RFID acts as a unique key into the inventory database. Those items in the scan that don't appear in the inventory don't get rung up.

      It means the inventory system has to be very accurate, of course, but the bottom line is that the RFID tag can be used to track you, because its unique ID will be associated with you once you check out. After that, your approximate location will be known whenever you walk into a store. Whether that information will make it into government hands is a different question, of course, but you'd be a fool to ignore that possibility.

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    5. Re:Missing the point . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need that, you moron. Just rip off or disable the tag. duh.

    6. Re:Missing the point . . . by hacker · · Score: 2
      You DO realize that these RFID tags aren't just read-only devices, right? They have up to 20k of memory on the actual "rice grain" itself, where you can write data back to it.

      I attended the Symbol Technologies seminar where these were demo'd. The customer can simply pack up their cart, walk through, and get charged off, and EVERY tag is then rewritten with a "SOLD" bitmask with a date, but it can still contain the buyer's date of purchase, UIN, and all kinds of relevant information about the buyer and the product itself.

      You can fit quite a bit of useful data in 20k of space.

  133. Is that a microwave in your pocket? Or are you... by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

    Great now I'm going to have to carry a microwave around in my pants if I want to shoplift! They've talked about using a microwave for small clothes driers for years. I'm sure anyone whose seen Uncle Buck has tried it at least once. Works fine on cottons. Just make sure you don't have any change or anything metal in your pockets.

  134. easy to see the uses of this - when you look at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    scenario one:

    You enter a store, a scanner reads all rfid tags on your clothes and other products you are carrying and produces a "profile" of you and stores this profile in a database. Possibly your "profile" is tracked through the store and traffic patterns are created that show where you go and how long you were in each department or area (good measure of finding what areas in the store are most effective) When you exit the store you are once again scanned. This scan is compared against your stored profile and if articles that you now have did not go through a cash register you are then apprehended moments after leaving the store.

    Scenario two:
    Grocery store (or any store with shopping carts or baskets). All carts or baskets have a unique ID associated with them. As shoppers place goods in the baskets it is known almost instantly how much "sales potential" is in the store at any time. Store management can set quotas on an hourly or better basis. When the amount of goods in shopping carts is not high enough management can trigger sales announcements to help increase the dollar amount of goods that shoppers are carrying and that will eventually go through the checkout.

    Scenario three: An article is left behind at a crime scene. It's rfid tag is found and read. A search is then done and data found that shows the life of that article to date - where it was bought, by whom, what other articles are regularly in its presence (this glove has been regularly detected with this coat, these shoes, and this white Ford Bronco). An arrest is made and presented with all of this information a jury has no choice but to find the accused guilty beyond all 'reasonable cause'.

    Welcome to the 21st century.

  135. Come on, you know you want to... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    The perfect excuse to get a Van De Graaf generator.

    I remember in high school science, we played with one of these. We were told that removing all watches, etc. beforehand would be a good idea.

    One person forgot... The watch didn't survive playtime.

    One of the things I remember was forming a ring of people, with the VDG being one "person" in the ring. Interrupting the ring (or something like that) in the right way would send a jolt through EVERYONE. I'm pretty sure this little pulse was the watch killer.

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  136. One good thing.... by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    At least I'll finally know who moved my cheese...

  137. Been there done that... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    Looking for my keys that I am holding in my left hand... (Habitually, they're always in my right hand during the trip from pocket to door/ignition and back)

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  138. Winona Ryder by Slashdolt · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    "Long time privacy advocate Winona Ryder says that these chips are a severe threat to privacy..."

    1. Re:Winona Ryder by hplasm · · Score: 1

      0.5mm sq RF Webcams would be better employed to threaten WR's privacy...better than trackable chips- in underwear, shower curtains, etc, etc....

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    2. Re:Winona Ryder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke.

    3. Re:Winona Ryder by hplasm · · Score: 1

      So was this..in the 'wynona-ryder-hot-grits' stylee..

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  139. Irrelevant by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    He's talking about using such a device as a form of DoS attack.

    It won't protect YOU specifically, but it'll make life a living hell for whoever runs the sensor you're jamming.

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  140. Combine with a relational database by ferreth · · Score: 2

    With a huge database and some smart programming:

    You walk into a store wearing a set of cloths, even if you have not purchased any of them in the store they could target advertise you based on the value, brands, style. That could be useful. They could tell me about the best deal on the cheap no-brand stuff I need to buy today rather than the over-priced stuff I'll never touch anyways.

    OTOH, I'd rather the store NOT know what I'm carrying in my bag - I don't need some ad telling me about a new 'better than Viagra' drug because I just happen to have my, ahem, friend's stuff along with me.

    I don't have much hope of avoiding the second situation, since marketing goof balls are not known for their sensitivity.

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    1. Re:Combine with a relational database by term8or · · Score: 1

      We are combining RFID with Relational Databases. That was what I was doing at work today:)


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  141. Emp by ConsoleDeamon · · Score: 1

    Hm sounds like its time to build that portoble static emp feald generator. no my clock is meckanical its not afected. [I now that i cant spell]

  142. Retail stuff by mveloso · · Score: 1

    I'd guess retailers see these things as incredible timesavers. Imagine a wal-mart store - now imagine that consumers have left items all over the place.

    How do you know something is out of place? Or where it's supposed to go?

    Just counting inventory is a PITA.

    Of course, the tags have to work, but if they do, they'll be an incredible time saver.

  143. put the crack pipe down, and pull up your pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Time to come back to reality, little Timmy. You're taking a movie, which wasn't that great to begin with, and confusing it with things that actually happen.

    Fine. Down to your level we go... You think Minority Report is bad? Holy shit, check out Nemesis!! They can suck you right out of your vehicle with those 'transporter' thingies, even if you're moving!! Whoa, and if you really piss off the Hitler-mustache-wearing, baby-fucking Americans, they'll call up their British bitch and have him send James BOND after your ass! Dude! Yer goin' to HELL!

  144. Peta begs to differ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    • leather - MURDER! UN acceptable!
    • cotton - economically subjugates poor workers in tropical third world countries! Strongly advised against!
    • wool - subjugates poor little sheep in the name of man's clothing! STRONGLY advised against!
    • fur - MURDER! UN acceptable!
    So it's best to just go naked, like Gaia intended. Screw all you fuckers that live where it snows!
    1. Re:Peta begs to differ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So it's best to just go naked, like Gaia intended. Screw all you fuckers that live where it snows!

      You wimp! I have no problem going naked in the snow. You just have to be careful to wrap your footies with nice warm PETA Pelts(TM). That nice hide covering will prevent frostbite...

  145. Electronic Counter Measures by dfn5 · · Score: 2

    It is time to develop the ECM RFID Jamming Wrist Watch.

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  146. *ahem* Allow me. by gosand · · Score: 5, Funny
    This is Slashdot afterall, allow me to take a stab at it...

    Wow, so someone will know I'm wearing Timberland boots, Dockers pants, Oakley sunglasses, and an Izod shirt.

    You mean velcro closure Reeboks, sweatpants, prescription glasses, a Slashdot shirt, and a Members Only jacket.

    They won't know my name, address, phone number, age, social security number, sexual preference, number of pets, or marital status.

    Who cares, your parent's house, your parent's phone number, 16-40, who cares, who knows, 3 cats, and single.

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  147. Tags used for cash registers by geirhe · · Score: 1
    It would be very awkward for stores leaving the id tags intact when you leave the store. They wouldn't want to antagonize returning customers who return to the store the next day wearing something they bought, with the cash register wanting them to pay again.

    On the other hand, having ID tags in things I buy would make it easier for the shops to tell me how good quality the product is, and how little (insert your favourite nasty thing here) was involved in its production. If they don't, you go elsewhere to a shop that gives you this information.

  148. Ubiquitous Commerce (TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Accenture the IT consulting giant, has an entire division dedicated to find uses for RFID tags, since barcodes are at their limit. They call it Ubiquitous Commerce. They also have a paper on it.

    The potential for misuse of this technology is immense, as you may already suspect, and the most intriguing finding is that all products sold worldwide can be uniquely tagged. It's the perfect tracking device. Mind you, you can embed an RFID tag on bank notes.

    However, they are stuck with a technical problem which is delaying widespread usage, because RFID tags work fine when one tag is passed at a time through a reader but it simply does not operate properly if you try to pass multiple items at once.

    Every one agrees that this kind of technology is a menace to civil liberties so, WHY such researchers insist on doing such kind of research?

    Accenture has also teamed with Microsoft... I guess you get the picture.

    1. Re:Ubiquitous Commerce (TM) by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      >Accenture has also teamed with Microsoft... I guess you get the picture.

      No not really.

      Good gads, just because MS makes some bad software and seems to bend the law doesn't mean MS is realted to this is any way. MS has teamed with virtually ever tech company at one time or another.

      Stop your trolling.

  149. Someone had to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of a beowulf cluster of these. (ducks)

  150. Geek to the bone by kyoko21 · · Score: 1

    Good thing I have my stash of the old dotcom t-shirts that I can wear.

  151. exactly, whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Municipal governments drag their feet on fixing potholes and streetlights. WTF are you smoking that you think they'll bother maintaining RFID antennas every 30 feet?

    And keep in mind that even if they *do* pony up the cash and time to install thousands of antennas (haha), these things are gonna have to be kept in theft-proof, break-proof containers or they'll be vandalized immediately. Cos you can get them to overlap at 30 feet, but only at ground level.

    All you'd have to do would be to spray some metallic paint on the damn thing, and it'd be useless. Or some spray paint with some of those little chips in it, even.

    You need to get your head out of your ass and realise that in the improbable event this does happen, it can be defeated so easily it's not even funny.

  152. Scary AND TRUE by dark-nl · · Score: 2, Interesting
    People are putting locator chips into their children already. There's a whole business growing up around it. I think these have been mentioned on slashdot before, but I can't find the story.

    Here's an article and press release about the company doing it. Fortunately they have it patented, which should impede progress in this direction for a while.

    1. Re:Scary AND TRUE by uncoveror · · Score: 2

      The government could do this to everyone, but tattooing bar codes would be cheaper. The government loves to steal ideas from urban legends.

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  153. White radio noise field? by cascadefx · · Score: 2

    How long before someone either sells or puts up a instructions on creating a personal "white noise" generator (for lack of a better term) that has an ultra limited range, but scrambles incoming RFID inquiries.

    Even better, how about a device that responds before the RFID can to all requests with erroneous information?

  154. and Motorola is leading the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was over a year ago that Motorola announced this exact same thing. Sweaters with RFID? People laughed.

    Motorola, Enemy of Privacy

  155. It's a Truman world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOM.

  156. Why implanted chip makes difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Implanted chip is different because it makes it impossible to exchane the IDs with friends, because it makes you tied to your ID.
    The primary reason for implanted chip is financial transactions and fight with grey-economy

  157. Re:Huh? See "Minority Report"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about you, but I remove those tags from all my stuff.

  158. DUST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like a William Gibson invention.
    - Don't move, I think you got DUST on your coat!
    - Damn! They are tracking me!
    - Yeah those pesky (D)igitally (U)nique (S)erial (T)ags sure are a nuisance!

  159. useful for the (color) blind... by claud9999 · · Score: 1

    One thing to be said, if RFIDs make it into everyday clothing, the (color) blind can find out what (color) article of clothing they're wearing.

    Oh, and a second benefit would be I could use my shoes as a "token" for authentication. (No more logins, automatic screen-saver activation, etc.)

    Not to say that I'm for RFIDs, I just like to make lemonaide from my lemons.

  160. RFID Experiements by Wise+Dragon · · Score: 2

    What I'd like to know is if anyone has a source for hobbyists like myself to get RFID tags and scanners. I'm just itching to build a Smart Fridge and get it on Slashdot :)

  161. How about Lojack for infants? by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 2

    My wife just recently had a baby and the hospital where she gave birth has a security system that involves the attachment of a clip to the newborns umbilical cord. This clip has a security chip that emits a radio signal. If the baby is removed from the nursery/obstetrical area, an alarm is sounded, doors are locked and elevators are stopped.

    When we first heard about this security system, we thought that the chip was actually implemented in the babies bellybutton. This was due to some miscommunication. After getting the matter clarified, we gave the ok. It is something you can refuse to get, and we definately would have if it had been a permanent chip. But now I'm starting to hear about implanted tracking systems for older children. It is a scary world we are entering.

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  162. Simple enough won't work by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Alien Technology, the people who make these things, anticipated that attack. The RFID tags disconnect their attenna when they sense a power surge. When the power dies down, the tag re-connects and it's working again.

    This Stanford seminar gave a good overview of the underlying technology.

  163. Why this will never happen by eyeball · · Score: 2

    Let's say a company wants to track the behavior of teens wearing Calvin Klein jeans. They put RFIDs in every pair of pants, then detectors in every store in every mall. The problem with this is, from Calvin Klein's point of view, it also opens themselves up to competitors gathering marketing info on CK customers. Nobody is going to spend millions of dollars to gather data to hopefully gain a competitive edge, only to have the competition have access to that same data.

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  164. -"You sir come with us" by The+Creator · · Score: 2

    -"What did i do?"

    -"You did'nt respond with an rf-tag, let's go!"

    -"But i haven't done anything"

    -"Yes you did, let's go you terrorist!"

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    FRA: STFU GTFO
  165. Gillette to purchase 500 million RFID tags by nycview · · Score: 2, Interesting


    RFID is present technology not new technology, it's already in products available today.


    Gillette Confirms RFID Purchase

    Update: Gillette has confirmed that it will purchase up to 500 million RFID tags from Alien Technology.

    Jan. 7, 2003 - The Gillette Company confirmed yesterday that it has placed a major order for RFID tags from Alien Technology. Neither Gillette nor Alien indicated how much Gillette would pay for the tags, or the terms of delivery. Alien's Pounds Still, the announcement is a milestone of sorts because it is the first commercial order for products that incorporate the Electronic Product Code (EPC) developed by the Auto-ID Center. It is also the first multi-million dollar order Alien has received.

    RFID Journal broke the news that Gillette planned to purchase 500 million RFID tags on Nov. 15 after Gillette VP Dick Cantwell told a private meeting of the Auto-ID Center's board about the company's plans (see Gillette to Buy 500 Million EPC Tags). Cantwell said then that Gillette would buy 500 million EPC tags from Alien.

    However, Gillette's press release indicates that it may purchase may fewer than half a billion tags. It says: "Gillette will begin testing tag technology through its supply chain by placing RFID tags in select products for the US market. If successful, up to half a billion tags could be placed on Gillette products over the next few years."

    Tom Pounds, Alien's VP of marketing and business development, told RFID Journal that there are terms and conditions that would allow Gillette to order less than 500 million tags. However, he added that Gillette has committed to purchasing "a significant chunk of that total."

    Gillette plans to use the tags with smart shelf technology that was also developed for Gillette by the Auto-ID Center. The smart shelves, which have built-in RFID readers, will be tested in stores in the US and UK beginning this month, as part of the third phase of the center's field test.

    mCloak

  166. Yeah, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then the government would be able to track you into the porno shop where you go to anonymously suck cock through a hole in the wall. That would not be good.

  167. Naked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the paranoid but clued in chicks are naked. Cool.

  168. lead bags already exist by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

    I know cos I used to use one to go shoplifting

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  169. RFIDs NOT unique. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tag IDs are NOT unique.... they are just like barcodes. "They" could only track you as far as to say, "Ok, here comes the guy with the long sleeve Gap blue shirt, and Levi 501 jeans." Each PRODUCT SKU has a unique ID, not every item in a SKU.

  170. Easy muggings? by GenetixSW · · Score: 2

    According to the article, the European central bank is considering putting RF tags in to money. This is quite a fascinating idea, but it got me thinking...

    If all the money in your wallet/purse were to contain an RF tag, would it not then be possible to simply "scan" someone to determine how much money is on them in an effort to ascertain if they're a worthwhile mugging target?

    The idea to RF-tag money is probably a good one in theory (much easier to reduce counterfeiting), but something like this would bother me if I were carrying around lots of cash.

    1. Re:Easy muggings? by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      So wallets will tin foil surrounding them would be popular? Better start on my marketing plan now.

  171. Self Sufficient by ThulsaDoom · · Score: 1

    So to maintain privacy in the future, the self sufficient person would win out. Would this force a resurgence in "old world" traditions... growing gardens, knitting clothes, hunting for meat and general self invention of hand crafted products? sounds fun, count me in!

    1. Re:Self Sufficient by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      oh brother, do you have any idea how much work would be involved in "old world" traditions?

      Would you be willing to sacrifice 14 hours a day just to have food, clothes, and a warm place to sleep. Forsaking TV, computers, phones, everything else?

      Maybe, but i think very few would.

    2. Re:Self Sufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Would you be willing to sacrifice 14 hours a day just to have
      How many hours a day do you work?
    3. Re:Self Sufficient by Quill_28 · · Score: 2

      big difference between the work i do and the work that he's talking about it. It is nice for a little while and fun for a few hours here are there. But 14 hours of this type of work very few people could tolerate let alone enjoy nowadays(including myself)

  172. Metal parts by Gorimek · · Score: 2

    A lot of clothing, such as all pants, contains metal parts in zippers and buttons etc. And you can't nuke metal, because... I'm not sure why, but everyone says so.

  173. you're still not getting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially if that person shops there frequently, they'll still have previous RFIDs on them. You think they're going to sit around and wait for you to figure out what they've already bought versus what they're trying to buy currently? Hell no.

    There's no way to differentiate between 'used' and 'new' in that situation.

  174. Re:They are in your tires now...NOT. by gspeare · · Score: 2

    Read that page more closely...it talks about creating a /standard/ for RFID tires, and talks about them in the hypothetical ("would"...etc.).

    Oops, gotta go buy a copy of Catcher in the Rye now...

  175. New Retail Possibilities, Indeed by gspeare · · Score: 1

    Faraday cage backpacks, anyone?

  176. LoJack for bicycles? by Gorimek · · Score: 2

    So could you put one of these on each bicycle, and have a few sensors at well used bike lanes, and trigger an alarm when a bike that's reported stolen passes by? Or go scan bike parkings? I am so sick of having one bike or more stolen per year!

    The big reason you can't have a real LoJack type thing on a bicycle is that there is no way to power it. But these things don't need power.

    I guess the big problem would be that thieves can scan for tags too, and remove or replace them. But I'm sure you could come up with some schemes to make that hard.

    Of course, this would work theft prevention for many kinds of goods.

  177. smaller footprint RFID Tags by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    Privacy worries also depend on the size of the tags. Matrics of Columbia, Md., said it has claimed the record for the smallest RFID tag, a flat square measuring 550 microns a side with an antenna that varies between half an inch long to four inches by four inches, depending on the application. Without an antenna, the RFID tag is about the size of a flake of pepper.

    I'm currently programming a chip that has an antenna that is 6mm in diameter. That chip itself is 3mm x 3mm.

    This is a really interesting field (not pun intended) to work in, too.

    One thing I disagree with is the ability to read and get a response from the chip. There is a certain focus point that must be achieved before the chip becomes active. Using a larger transceiver wouldn't exactly be practical because of the size of the contraption one would have to create in order to receive a signal from the RFID chip. Unless, of course, frying a few humans and family pets doesn't concern them - which, as everyone already knows, criminals hardly seem concerned with anyone other than themselves.

  178. Anonymity of cash transations by xyote · · Score: 1

    I can see peer to peer money swapping becoming popular. The Treasury Dept will be after us next after the RIAA and MPA are finished with us.

  179. Here's another thought... by Resident+Geek · · Score: 1
    Grow your own clothes. Grow the plants that you get the fiber from (hemp, cotton) and make your own. You know the source and the methods of manufacture. If you're not self-sufficient enough to do that, just buy cloth to makle your clothes from trusted textile companies.

    You don't have to support the industry.

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  180. RFID tags are useful in the kitchen by Ogerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, I wouldn't want my grocer to disable the RFID tags on purchased food items. If I had my own RFID reader, it would make for a quite convenient way to update an inventory of what food I have on hand. This, in turn, would allow me to do many neat things:

    - automatically generate shopping lists
    - compare food inventory against a recipe database to see what meal options I have
    - automatically track food expiration
    - optimize food usage (ie. less waste) by planning meals a week in advance

    Of course, this would also require tracking of inventory depletion. However, with recipe planning and perhaps a touchscreen interface, this would be pretty simple and would allow you to track your nutrition at the same time.

    As a side-note, these things are nowhere near a threat to privacy:

    1.) They are trivially easy to destroy
    2.) Regardless of how small the chip is, you still need an antenna matching the wavelength of the RFID detector's transceiver. Simple physics guarantees that the antenna will be plainly visible or else highly inefficient and narrow-banded. (not much use if you're trying to power a chip with it). Sure, these limitations may be slowly overcome by advances in nanotech and ultra-low-power design, but it'll also make the chips more fragile.

  181. Easy shoplifter countermeasure by seaan · · Score: 2

    The linked article mentions that the tags will have a "self destruct" mechanism, and even mentioned that consumers might have a device that could kill off the tags at home.

    So what is to stop a shoplifter from getting a "tag killer" device and using it at the store. After that it becomes a normal shoplifting theft. At best this is only slightly better than the current magnetic tags, good for getting the stupid theives.

  182. Been mugged...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was walking through a dark alley...the mugger was in the shadows with his RFID scanner. He detected at 50 yards that I had those brand spanking new nikes...he knows his target. Me.

    Just like shopping...he cruises with his RFID to find out who owns one of those $1000 wallets you can buy on rodeo drive and tags them too..

  183. What privacy loss? All it tells is where I am! by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2
    Anything where I really need privacy (grabbing the latest bestiality bukkake kiddie porn, plotting a terrorist attack, etc), I can do over the internet, protected with strong encryption.


    All this RFID stuff leaks is where I am, and by correlating that with other people's chips, they can find out who I'm with. All that tells 'em is mundane stuff like who I want to have sex with.


    BTW, last time these things came up here, wasn't everyone all anxious for them to come out, so we could buy things by just dumping them in our shopping carts at the store and walking out, with everything automatically scanned and billed? They'll probably deactivate the chips when you leave the store, just because it would make them useless for price scanning if people were bringing working chips into the store.

  184. Mechanisms (was Re:Simple enough...) by dadisman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not quite, the most common tags today are the sensormatic acoustomagnetic type, found at a wide range of retailers from WalMart to Home Depot to many cd/movie stores. This type has a number of advantages, over the older RF based tags. In fact, many consumer items can be found with an Acoustomagnetic tag inside the item. Recently, I disassembled an answering machine I had purchased from KMart and inside the case was a (presumably deactivated) tag. Because 58khz acoustic echos are not much affected by the container, (after all these are just sound waves) tags can be embedded rather than on the surface of the item (as with radio frequency tags) where a shoplifter can easily peal them off. Don't expect the RF tags to actually be embedded in too many items, metallic items and objects containing water will either absorb the RF energy or detune the tag, itself a simple LC (inductor-capacitor) network tuned to 8.2 mhz (most common - or 9.5 mhz). The above posts are indeed correct, the common RF tags are deactivated by a high intensity RF signal, but usually of a different (usually lower)frequency that the tag also has resonance at. The fusable link is commonly a crimp across the capacitor which upon deactivation shorts the capacitor out, thus detuning it, rather than burning itself out.
    The saturation type strips the parent refers to are actually prone to false alarms from certain metal objects with a low (and abrupt) saturation point. These systems are commonly found in libraries, rather than retail stores. Several other types are in use.
    Read here and here.

    1. Re:Mechanisms (was Re:Simple enough...) by blitziod · · Score: 1

      well as far as hurting privacey these tags sound like they can do the job. BUT will they really helpo stop shoplifters? I mean It sounds so easy to deactivate the tags and stuff. Will jamming equiptment be standard for the shoplifter of teh future?

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  185. Detect and Scramble by koan · · Score: 1

    Would it be possible to make a small device that can detect and scramble these signals? if so that would be a great business opurtunity for some creative individual.

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  186. Revenue Enhancements in Casinos by drhill · · Score: 1

    I could see the RFID embedded in playing cards being great for enhancing revenue in gambling operations.

  187. new plan? by diablobsb · · Score: 1

    1) steal underwear
    2) sell stolen underwear
    3) track the undewear and steal it again
    4) rinse, repeat
    5) Profit!

    we've eliminated the "????" phase of the plan

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  188. Won't Work by TomRC · · Score: 2


    These tags won't work in at least one way - most theft is by employees. They'll have plenty of opportunity to find and remove, disable or destroy tags. There are some tricks that a store owner could play (multiple tags, etc), but the employees will quickly figure out ways around them.

  189. cigarette butts!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's round up all those lowlifes who leave their goddamn cigarette butts everywhere.

    and while we are at it let's get the bastards who leave their *$%*%$ gum on the ground. we should do it like in Singapore, public whippings for chewing gum!

    1. Re:cigarette butts!!! by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the scratch card tickets. I live near a 7-11 and I'm always finding those goddamned things on the ground.

      Sheesh, poeple, it's not bad enough that you're a loser (in so many ways), but must you litter too?

  190. Planted tags by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2

    Even more fun is planting one on somebody without them knowing it!

    Go for a buttoned rear pants pocket, or equivalent location they'll never think to check.

  191. It's okay.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm... I make my own tracks, skid marks, smears... you name it. If they want me to prove it, I'll be happy to do so; but *all* my underwear is trackable.

  192. Great now I can finally... by nlinecomputers · · Score: 2

    ...find all my fscking left socks. Somebody, somewhere, is hording them and I am going to find him.

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  193. Ubiquitous Sensors + Ubiquitous Networks by Jamyang · · Score: 1
    = Ubiquitous Sensor Networks

    Could we be constantly tracked through our clothes, shoes or even our cash in the future?

    In order to carry out tracking on the scale that Declan suggests - of a every citizen, on a nationwide scale, - you would need to deploy a vast array of sensor networks.

    DARPA has put a high priority on developing such networks in their drive to digitize the battlespace under the "Persistence over the battlefield" philosophy that dominates current military thinking.

    Cebrowski sums this doctrine up:

    We are seeing the emergence of sensor-based warfare. The reality is, the world knows if we can sense it, we can kill it.

    - Retired Navy Vice Adm. Arthur Cebrowski,
    [Office of Force Transformation, February 5, 2002]

    First take: Check out DARPAs IXO - The Information Exploitation Office:
    http://dtsn.darpa.mil/ixo/

    in particular, Dr. Sri Kumar's Sensor Information Technology (SensIT) Program:

    http://dtsn.darpa.mil/ixo/sensit.asp

    . . The SensIT program will create the binding between the physical world and cyberspace. Today's information systems focus on human input or computer generated data for fodder, but the future will build on continuous streams of real-world physical data. The SensIT program is founded on the concept of a networked system of cheap, pervasive platforms that combine multiple sensor types, embedded processors, positioning ability and wireless communication. Specifically the mission of SensIT is to develop all necessary software for networked microsensors.

    Incidentally, seems to me, one corollary of the Cebrowski doctrine might be, if you can't sense it . . .

    http://go.openflows.org/admin.pl?op=edit&sid=03/01 /14/1033209

    Ubiquitous Sensor Networks, Next 10 years:

    2000: 100 million image sensors sold worldwide (Cahners In-Stat Group)

    2006: 1 billion 'mobile' sensors on 21 million telematic-enabled cars in US (Telematics Research Group)

    2006: 2.5 billion devices on the Internet (Dr. Vinton Cerf)

    2010: 60 trillion wireless sensors deployed worldwide (Ernst & Young)

    RF Micro Devices Opens Sales And Customer Support Office in China
    One Billion Smart Cards

  194. Only for the truly paranoid... by chipset · · Score: 0, Troll

    Walk around naked. :)

  195. Only for the truly paranoid.. by chipset · · Score: 0, Troll

    Walk around naked..

  196. Stand up for yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm only going to explain this to you once, because you're not worth the time to explain more than that. Five years from now when the government decides that everyone should have a chip embedded in the skin, you're going to say:

    "What's the big deal, we've had these things in our clothes for years already, is it so drastic to have one implanted in the skin? Sure this is interesting news but I don't fear big brother just yet."

    It's the thin edge of the wedge and you're just too simple to gauge its slow progress through your ribcage towards your heart. You're being treated like the whore from last night's fraternity gang-bang, and you come in here and tell everyone you're not bothered by it at all.

  197. UMMM...NO by UncleGizmo · · Score: 1

    The RFID will identify the product, not the user. Since it's put on there by the producer in the manufacturing process, it will have a whole bunch of information relating to the product [size, plain or peanut butter, etc.]. When it's scanned at the checkout will help the manufacturer track the speed in which things are being sold through the supply chain.

    This helps the manufacturer and grocer a) plan shipments of additional product; b) identify regional markets and locations where products sell better than others; c) identify the efficiency of advertising and promotions w/r/t product sales; d) etc.

    The supply chain [from manufacturer->wholesaler->retailer] has many steps, and advertising / promotion is very expensive...anything product manufacturers can do to reduce costs by being more efficient, they will.

    They are less concerned about you and whether you litter.

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    Who put this thing together? Me, that's who.
    1. Re:UMMM...NO by cyril3 · · Score: 1
      And Nobel invented Dynamite to build dams.

      Its the d)etc. that everyone seems to be worried about.

  198. More capability in RFID than you thought by cyberfringe · · Score: 1

    Here is a good source to get more info on RFID: http://www.aimglobal.org/technologies/rfid/ Or just use Google. My company is investigating RFID for tracking property - a lot gets "lost" every year. We've learned there are many types of tags and devices; active and passive. Some can store up to 1MB of data. Can be read at high speed (e.g., the guy with the stolen laptop speeding out the gate). The company is talking about putting them on badges with readers in every conference room - automatic attendance list. Many other possibilities + and - as you can imagine. Would not be surprised to see RFID show up in driver licenses, credit cards, etc. Some types can be interrogated at quite a distance too - many meters at least. I admit having the "rice" size tracker installed in my 7 month old Whippet. Includes name, health, ownership info, and so forth in case he gets away. I recently helped a dog who was struck by a car near our house. No tag on a collar, no "rice" rfid - impossible to locate the owners. We ultimately got the dog to a vet emergency room and made it comfortable and out of pain before it died. With the chip - the owners could have been called in time to be there. Like most technology, there are "good" apps and "bad" apps. Much depends on your value system. We all know that "the street finds its own use for technology" (Wm. Gibson) Personally, I am extremely worried about personal privacy in this "homeland security" era. RFID is just a small piece of the picture.

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  199. Personal Challenge-Why are prices incorrect? by cybercomm · · Score: 2

    Alien Technology won't reveal how it charges for each tag, but industry estimates hover around 25 cents. The company does predict that in quantities of 1 billion, RFID tags will approach 10 cents each, and in lots of 10 billion, the industry's holy grail of 5 cents a tag.



    Now, didnt gilette order something like half a billion of RFID's for only something ~7.5 each? That is pretty close to their holy grail of 5, which means that any consortium or any company with high production output could attain the RFID's for something like ~9-12. Which brings me to another question, why does the reporter quote higher prices?

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  200. Just pay in CASH! by Night+Goat · · Score: 2

    There's really no need to worry about your privacy if you pay for your RFID'ed items in cash. That way nothing will be linked to you specifically. I suppose if the police or whoever is tracking you finds a way to link you with your possessions, you'll be in trouble, but then there's the whole concept of borrowing.

    I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch, the Man isn't watching our every move.

    1. Re:Just pay in CASH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paying in CASH doesn't solve all of the concerns.
      Read on...

      Dec 16, 2002
      Matrics Creates New Ways to Secure Lives and Assets for `Safe Commerce' Using Advanced RFID Technology; Responds to Homeland Security Initiative With Advanced RFID Technology to Provide Unique Real-Time Tracking of People, Vehicles, and High Value Assets.
      Full Text: COPYRIGHT 2002 PR Newswire Association, Inc.

      COLUMBIA, Md. -- COLUMBIA, Md., Dec. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Matrics, a pioneer in the advanced development and standardization of low-cost, high-performance third generation UHF Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) smart tag technology, is aggressively pursuing applications across the security spectrum to provide real-time visibility of people and things.

      The dramatic improvements in technical design and costs to manufacture smart tag technology have opened up entirely new uses for RFID while providing new levels of cost-effective solutions for a multitude of new, security applications.

      "New government and private business requirements for more effective and far-reaching security capabilities are emerging just as new RFID technology advancements are being commercialized. The result is that numerous RFID-based security applications are now effective and affordable for more businesses and government agencies than at any time in the history of the technology," said John Shoemaker, Matrics' V.P. of Corporate Development. "For security, the future of RFID is now, and Matrics has the financial and technical stamina to deliver these applications successfully," he added.

      Applications in the Homeland Security arena in support of "Safe Commerce" that Matrics is pilot testing include:

      -- Vehicle registration and proof of insurance
      -- Emissions inspection/control/enforcement
      -- Access control for vehicles in any gated application: military
      installations, residential gated communities, corporate and
      university campuses, and other facilities
      -- Revenue access control for parking to allow express passage of
      vehicles and automatic payment and tracking with an audit trail
      -- Imported goods traceability
      -- Container tracking and tracing including intermodal transport via
      air transport, shipping, trains and trucks
      -- Air Cargo and baggage or "trusted shippers"
      -- Airline passenger "trusted traveler" programs
      -- Evidence management for law enforcement
      -- Inventory control of high value assets
      -- Border crossing for vehicles, drivers, passengers and personal IDs
      Matrics and its partners are proactively making end-users aware of how advancements in RFID technology can be implemented to create secure, discrete and convenient security systems. From sophisticated Homeland Security applications to employee access control and asset management, today's RFID technology provides protection and functionality that was previously not possible or only available from much more expensive, wireless tracking systems.

      "The bottom line is that the price of RFID is coming down dramatically while the performance continues to improve at unprecedented levels," said Shoemaker. "Now, we can read a tag that has no battery, in any orientation, at speeds in microseconds and from distances exceeding 20 feet. And the price of a tag continues to drop based on volume and the type of packaging needed."

      Matrics can now deliver cost-effective RFID technology to more applications than ever before while improving visibility and ensuring greater security of assets and people.

      Matrics offers a cohesive, RFID product portfolio that includes a proven line of passive UHF (902-928 MHz) smart inlays and labels, Visibility Manager(TM) middleware software and reliable readers. The new, third generation chips will work in the same reader infrastructure as existing, first generation Matrics chips, and will operate in full accordance with industry standards. Matrics tags comply with "Type 0" UHF RFID specifications defined by the Auto-ID Center, headquartered at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

      Matrics Inc., based in Columbia, Maryland, is a provider of RFID technology and visibility solutions for supply chain, security and asset management. Patented wireless tracking technologies provide users with the most reliable and cost effective solutions to provide the comprehensive visibility of assets throughout the enterprise. Matrics is presently engaged in pilot tests with several Fortune 50 companies.

      CONTACT: Kevin Rushalko of Spectrum Marketing & Communications, +1-603-924-6692 or specmkt@monad.net, for Matrics

      Web site: http://www.matrics.com/

  201. Re:They *are* in your tires now... by Gis_Sat_Hack · · Score: 2

    Actual RFID for Tires Here's one example for the curious

  202. Did somebody say "digital pants"? by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    Microsoft already did this.

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    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
  203. Mod Parent Down: Redundant by sharph · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I knew this already.

    So do other billions of slashdotters out there.

  204. hacking onto the Best Dressed List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon the "Best dressed Celebrities" list will be automatically generated by data matching RFID tags.

    By spoofing the RFID numbers of Guuci suites etc I may be able to get myself on the list??

    Never thought that would be possible!

  205. Blasting them by aRTie11 · · Score: 1

    most electronic sensors used in stores these days to detect theft are similar, these are just smaller, the way to deactivate the existing tags is blast them with high frequency electromagnetic radiation.

    i don't see why if it works for the old ones why it wont on the new ones, so just a lesson to everyone, when you get home put them in the microwave ;)

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  206. RFID pinch? by kien · · Score: 2

    Just in case you haven't seen the movie Ocean's Eleven or know what a pinch is by other means: basically, a pinch is an EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) emitter. It's an interesting concept but reality has proven the pinch to be rather difficult.

    How hard would it be, given today's technology, to create a handheld RFID-pinch? Personally, I'd love to walk into a building and hit a button that fries every RFID within say, 500 meters.

    --K.

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    Sig: Bad people happen. Try to avoid being one of them.
  207. Don't worry, be happy! by Faddim · · Score: 1

    These are much too simple to jam or destroy. Will they be in for a shock the first time professional thieves with a jammer walk right out with stuff.

  208. Re:No.... by symbolic · · Score: 2

    Having a jamming device like this is going to advertise "I have something to hide" to anybody who looks at the logs.

    No, what it's advertising is this: "What I'm hiding is something that's none of your damn business, and that's precisely why it's hidden."

  209. Foxwoods Casino, Symbol, Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A couple of years ago when I was working for $LARGE_PHARMA company, I was sent on a one-day seminar put on by Symbol Technologies to go over all their new wireless, PDA, handheld, and other technologies. Very neat stuff indeed, but one thing that they brought up which distressed me at the time, was that they said they had "rice-sized" RFID tags that they could put in packaging labels on boxes, and scan up to 100 labels/second as they passed through a doorway on a palette in a warehouse floor. Very cool! Now no more scanning of individual boxes, etc. And, you could write data back to the tag itself, and update it. They used the example that you could track how many times a particular package was brought in and out of a room, for example, transparently. Also very cool. We ($PHARMA_COMPANY) were looking at it for materials tracking purposes. However...

    ..they also mentioned that, for example, Foxwoods Casino (the largest casino in the world, in Ledyard, CT) uses these tags already in their "Wampum Cards" (basically a debit card for gambling monies at the casino. You put money into a machine, and out spits a pre-credited "Wampum Card" with that money credited to it. You stick the card in a machine, and start gambling). The errie thing is that the casino mails these cards out to people, for free, with a few "free plays" on the card, to get people to come into the casino. Seems harmless, except your entire gambling history, name, address, and phone number are STORED ON THE CARD. When you walk into the casino, they immediately know that "John Smith, 123 Anywhere Road, Ledyard CT" has just walked into the South entrance, and is heading for the slot machines. They then dispatch a Foxwoods employee to come talk to you to try to encourage you to "upgrade" your Wampum Card.

    Symbol also quietly mentioned that a "large basketball shoe manufacturer" already puts these into the soles of their shoes, so they can tell when a team is wearing their shoes, or when a customer of theirs has walked into their store.

    Scary stuff, scary indeed. Now they're talking about putting these in actual money? What if someone hacks the code, and can scan you from 10' away to tell how much money you have in your wallet? It would certainly make picking the right victim easy. "Give me all your money!" "I don't have any money!" "Oh yeah, I see $348.00 in your wallet, and 5 credit cards. Hand them over!"

    Or what about identity theft? Cloning one of these RFID tags as you walk by, and some thief gets your credit card RFID numbers by just walking behind you in a busy street. I can see a whole new series of dangerous hacks coming out based on this technology alone.

  210. Alpha Wave Receivers by MMHere · · Score: 1
    I'm pretty sure the CIA has alpha brain wave receivers. You emit a unique signal, they track it, they track you.

    Your only recourse is to stop thinking so hard!

  211. How to defeat this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, suppose they get the real ID just once. And suppose you sent a million false IDs. They check their database, and they find that only one of the IDs is present

    Don't send random IDs. Send IDs for only a certain class of object, like shirts. Their scanner thinks you're wearing 1000000 different kids of shirts.

  212. RFID = Real Freedom Is Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like the end times eh?

  213. A good thing? by Vampyre_Dark · · Score: 0

    Maybe we won't find missing persons a year later tied up naked in the woods.

  214. OT: Through writing? by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    No..however, when you try to use it to pry something up, and the pen breaks, and leaks all over your hand, yes.

    I've had them dry up, and you can still see there's ink in there, too. Which makes me wonder if they actually fill them with 1/2 the amount of ink, and the rest is some lower cost filler that they use, if the manufacturers just assume that you'd lose it before you actually run out.

    (yeah, yeah, this is offtopic, that's why I'm posting without my karma bonus, okay?)

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  215. To learn more about RFID, click HERE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For your reading pleasure...

    Matrics Creates New Ways to Secure Lives and Assets for `Safe Commerce' Using Advanced RFID Technology; Responds to Homeland Security Initiative With Advanced RFID Technology to Provide Unique Real-Time Tracking of People, Vehicles, and High Value Assets.

    COLUMBIA, Md. -- COLUMBIA, Md., Dec. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Matrics, a pioneer in the advanced development and standardization of low-cost, high-performance third generation UHF Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) smart tag technology, is aggressively pursuing applications across the security spectrum to provide real-time visibility of people and things.

    The dramatic improvements in technical design and costs to manufacture smart tag technology have opened up entirely new uses for RFID while providing new levels of cost-effective solutions for a multitude of new, security applications.

    "New government and private business requirements for more effective and far-reaching security capabilities are emerging just as new RFID technology advancements are being commercialized. The result is that numerous RFID-based security applications are now effective and affordable for more businesses and government agencies than at any time in the history of the technology," said John Shoemaker, Matrics' V.P. of Corporate Development. "For security, the future of RFID is now, and Matrics has the financial and technical stamina to deliver these applications successfully," he added.

    Applications in the Homeland Security arena in support of "Safe Commerce" that Matrics is pilot testing include:

    -- Vehicle registration and proof of insurance
    -- Emissions inspection/control/enforcement
    -- Access control for vehicles in any gated application: military
    installations, residential gated communities, corporate and
    university campuses, and other facilities
    -- Revenue access control for parking to allow express passage of
    vehicles and automatic payment and tracking with an audit trail
    -- Imported goods traceability
    -- Container tracking and tracing including intermodal transport via
    air transport, shipping, trains and trucks
    -- Air Cargo and baggage or "trusted shippers"
    -- Airline passenger "trusted traveler" programs
    -- Evidence management for law enforcement
    -- Inventory control of high value assets
    -- Border crossing for vehicles, drivers, passengers and personal IDs

    Matrics and its partners are proactively making end-users aware of how advancements in RFID technology can be implemented to create secure, discrete and convenient security systems. From sophisticated Homeland Security applications to employee access control and asset management, today's RFID technology provides protection and functionality that was previously not possible or only available from much more expensive, wireless tracking systems.

    "The bottom line is that the price of RFID is coming down dramatically while the performance continues to improve at unprecedented levels," said Shoemaker. "Now, we can read a tag that has no battery, in any orientation, at speeds in microseconds and from distances exceeding 20 feet. And the price of a tag continues to drop based on volume and the type of packaging needed."

    Matrics can now deliver cost-effective RFID technology to more applications than ever before while improving visibility and ensuring greater security of assets and people.

    Matrics offers a cohesive, RFID product portfolio that includes a proven line of passive UHF (902-928 MHz) smart inlays and labels, Visibility Manager(TM) middleware software and reliable readers. The new, third generation chips will work in the same reader infrastructure as existing, first generation Matrics chips, and will operate in full accordance with industry standards. Matrics tags comply with "Type 0" UHF RFID specifications defined by the Auto-ID Center, headquartered at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    Matrics Inc., based in Columbia, Maryland, is a provider of RFID technology and visibility solutions for supply chain, security and asset management. Patented wireless tracking technologies provide users with the most reliable and cost effective solutions to provide the comprehensive visibility of assets throughout the enterprise. Matrics is presently engaged in pilot tests with several Fortune 50 companies.

    CONTACT: Kevin Rushalko of Spectrum Marketing & Communications, +1-603-924-6692 or specmkt@monad.net, for Matrics

    Web site: http://www.matrics.com/
    ***

    Blackstone Technology Corporation Announces RFID Smart Label Manufacturing Breakthrough; New Technique 10 Times Faster, Produces Finished Smart Labels in One Step.

    BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 10, 2002
    Blackstone Technology Corporation has announced a revolutionary process for high-speed, reel-to-reel smart label manufacturing that will solve the RFID industry's critical capacity limitation. The breakthrough process, called SpeedBond(TM), is more than 10 times faster than current methods of attaching RFID chips to antennas. More importantly, it is the first process to allow smart labels to be manufactured in one step, going from silicon chip to unprinted label in the same manufacturing line.

    The RFID industry took a major step towards full-scale commercialization when, as reported in the RFID Journal, Gillette announced plans to order 500 million smart tags to mark pallets and cases. As other members of the Auto-ID Center, including Procter and Gamble, International Paper, The Gap, WalMart, Home Depot, Kodak, UPS, and Pfizer, implement RFID systems to create supply-chain efficiencies, the ability to print cost-effective tags and smart labels in large quantities is a critical factor enabling the growth of the industry.

    "While other companies have narrowly focused on methods of die taping and die attach, Blackstone's focus is on reducing cost through the entire RFID smart label manufacturing process," says Joe Weldon, CEO of Blackstone. "We have applied our experience in high-speed labeling, advanced conductive materials, and electronic interconnect processes to solving the bottleneck in the RFID supply chain caused by slow die population and bonding speeds."

    Blackstone's SpeedBond(TM) process will replace the slower "pick and place" technology currently utilized by the RFID industry. "No thermal curing is required in the SpeedBond process, virtually eliminating dwell times and allowing utilization of a wide variety of antenna substrates, including papers and synthetics," according to Dick Estes, Blackstone's CTO. "It's much faster and much more flexible." For purchasers of smart labels, it also eliminates a costly step in the supply chain: the insertion of an RFID tag into an unprinted label.

    The new process is not hampered by die size limitations. Die sizes are currently 700 microns by 700 microns, limiting the number of chips on a wafer and increasing costs. The SpeedBond(TM) process can use chip sizes as small as 300 microns by 300 microns. Blackstone's patent-pending process can use chips from any RFID supplier, including Philips, Matrics, Alien Technology, Infineon and ST Micro.

    "Blackstone's SpeedBond(TM) process is well-suited for a wide variety of antenna configurations and label materials. We designed our process to work with all chips, and comply with all standards," says Dave Eastin, Blackstone's Vice President of Sales and Marketing. "We can produce RFID inlets or smart label material with various read ranges, frequencies, and chip capabilities, from encryption to biometrics to read-write. We look forward to serving the needs of system integrators, label printers, contactless smart card manufacturers, and RFID device manufacturers as demand increases."

    Investors also express confidence in both the SpeedBond(TM) process and the explosive growth of the RFID industry. "We see RFID as one of the huge growth areas in technology over the next few years, and the die bonding process is currently a big bottleneck in enabling full-scale commercialization" says Ed Mullen, chairman of Northstar Global Partners, an investment bank with offices in Boston, Munich and Zurich and an early investor in Blackstone. "We like this investment because it solves a major industry problem and stands to win no matter which chip standard is adopted."

    About Blackstone Technology Corporation:
    Blackstone Technology Corporation is a New England-based start-up company focused on the RFID and Contactless Smart Card industries. Blackstone's experienced management team includes former executives from Bemis, Fidelity, Digital Equipment Corporation and Polymer Flip Chip who have pioneered advances in bar coding, reel-to-reel die bonding, and antenna technology for the RFID industry. The company has filed a patent for its revolutionary SpeedBond(TM) technology, which increases the manufacturing speed of RFID transponders and smart labels by more than 10 times over current levels.

    For additional information, please contact Dave Eastin or Joe Weldon at Blackstone Technology Corporation via phone (508.529.4528) or e-mail (Eastin@Blackstone-rfid.com). Or, visit www.blackstone-rfid.com.
    ***

    Texas Instruments RFid and SafeTzone Help Family and Friends Play it Safe at Amusement Parks.

    DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 26, 2002
    A day of fun with family and friends at the amusement park can turn frantic when a child gets separated from the group. SafeTzone Technologies Corporation, of Laguna Hills, Calif., has developed a real-time location system for amusement parks that uses passive radio frequency identification (RFID) technology from Texas Instruments RFid Systems combined with active RF tags. The company's Child Locating System can instantly locate any member of a group throughout the park at any time using SafeTzone Locator(TM) wristbands, RF readers, and interactive LocationStation(TM) kiosks. TI-RFid tags also enable the SafeTzone Locator to be used as a wireless wallet for cashless purchases throughout the park.

    The SafeTzone Locator is a watch-like RF device that each group member wears on his or her wrist. The device communicates a person's location to RF readers situated throughout the park using an active RF tag. The technology operates from touch screen kiosks that allow groups to track the real-time location of their members, on a map of the park, at any time of day in multiple languages, simply by scanning their Locators. When visitors approach the touch screen kiosks and scan their Locators, the passive RF tag automatically identifies them, linking them to information on the whereabouts of their group members. The SafeTzone locating systems are available to park guests visiting the following parks: Wet `n Wild - Orlando, Florida; Wet `n Wild - Las Vegas, Nevada; Wild Rivers - Irvine, California; and Dolly's Splash Country - Pigeon Forge, Tennessee.

    "Our goal is to provide the end-to-end solution for amusement parks and their guests in terms of safety," said Timothy W. Giraldin, chief executive officer, SafeTzone. "We offer the most flexible and advanced products of their kind in the market today and collaborating with technology providers such as TI-RFid Systems have been integral factors in making these advances possible."

    Version 3 of the SafeTzone Child Locating System, launched in November 2002, includes three new software modules. The new cashless module acts as an "electronic wallet," enabling guests to make purchases at food, drink, and gift areas around the park without the need to carry wallets or cash. The line management module provides guests with the option to make reservations for their favorite rides. The new data analysis module allows amusement parks to record and study the buying habits and activity preferences of their guests so they can offer customer loyalty programs such as coupons and rewards to frequent visitors, or incentives for underutilized games or attractions. The new version of the SafeTzone Child Locating System also includes features such as amenity locator, route planner, park-to-guest messaging, guest-to-guest messaging, and commercial videos that run on location stations.

    For more information on this or other applications of TI-RFid technology, contact Texas Instruments RFid Systems at 1-888-937-6536 (North America) or +1 214-567-4364 (International) or visit the Web site at www.ti-rfid.com. Images are available upon request.

    About SafeTzone Technologies Corporation

    SafeTzone Technologies Corporation is the premier provider of systems for real-time locating of individuals in family destinations. SafeTzone is headquartered in Laguna Hills, Calif. The SafeTzone Child Locating System is available at select amusement parks in Tennessee, Florida, Nevada, and California. Questions about SafeTzone may be directed to its Director of Corporate Sales at 1.949.855.8987 or to its Web site at www.safetzone.com.

    About Texas Instruments RFid Systems

    Texas Instruments Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Systems is a leading developer and manufacturer of field-proven (RFID) solutions used in a broad range of applications worldwide. In 1991, TI became the first multi-national semiconductor company to market RFID systems with the introduction of TIRIS (Texas Instruments Registration and Identification System). TI first introduced its RFID-based anti-theft immobilizer security system for automotive applications in 1993.

    Texas Instruments Incorporated provides innovative DSP and analog technologies to meet our customers' real world signal processing requirements. In addition to Semiconductor, the company's businesses include Sensors & Controls, and Educational & Productivity Solutions. TI is headquartered in Dallas, Texas and has manufacturing, design or sales operations in more than 25 countries. Texas Instruments is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol TXN. More information is located on the World Wide Web at www.ti.com.
    ***

    The next wave of auto ID. (Technology). (automatic identification) Peter Abell.

    A radical change is coming to the supply chain. Over the next five years, many companies in fast-moving consumer goods, consumer electronics, and apparel industries will begin implementing new technology that uses electronic product code (ePC) radio frequency identification (RFID).

    By making this move, they will be taking a significant evolutionary step beyond universal product codes (UPCs), the most common system used today for automatic identification (auto ID). The new technology will extend companies' ability to capture accurate information about the location and status of physical objects across the value chain.

    An ePC RFID system consists of five technology areas:

    * Electronic product code (ePC): A 96-bit code, ePC provides a unique ID or serial number for individual products. By contrast, UPC only provides a number for groups of products.

    * ID system (reader and RF tag): The ePC is embedded on a special tag (which initially costs 5 cents) that is applied to the product during manufacture. The tag communicates with readers located in plants, warehouses, trucks, stores, and homes.

    * Savant: A data router called Savant performs operations such as data capture, data monitoring, and data transmission. It provides a framework for managing the huge flow of ePC data throughout the enterprise. Savants can be located in stores, trucks, local distribution centers, and regional and national data centers.

    * Object name service (ONS): Like a DNS (domain name service), the ONS is used for locating a specific URL (uniform resource locator)--in essence, a Web or server address.

    * Physical markup language (PML): Based on extensible markup language (XML), PML describes unique physical objects and allows applications to share and track information about the item.

    Initial studies indicate that the benefits of ePC RFID technology could prove significant. For example, the grocery supply chain could see $3.2 billion in benefits from using ePC to track pallets, according to studies by the Food Marketing Institute, pallet and container provider CHEP International, and AMR Research. And this number does not reflect the possible benefits from reducing out-of-stocks. When item- and case-level tracking is involved, AMR Research believes that the out-of-stock benefit alone will be between $12 billion and $20 billion annually, depending on whether the company is a retailer or a supplier.

    Phase I field tests on the new technology--a joint effort involving Wal-Mart, Gillette, Unilever, CHEP International, and others--focused on pallet tracking. In this phase, companies use existing technology for RFID tags, readers, and other intelligent equipment to automatically interrogate pallets as they move within the manufacturing and distribution facility, to the docks, onto trucks, and through to the retailer's warehouse or to the store's receiving docks. The pallet tag is read by readers that are communicating with other intelligent devices. These devices notify a computer at both the supplier and the retailer that the correct number of pallets have been loaded onto a truck through the designated doorway. Upon arrival at the retailer's warehouse or store dock, the pallet tag is automatically read again, notifying both parties that the pallet has been delivered.

    Lessons Learned From Field Tests
    The Phase I field tests gave companies a chance to look at the technical feasibility of ePC and to gather data for the business case. Participating companies also were able to work out some of the initial technical difficulties. For example, frequency collisions occurred between the new system and older wireless scanning systems in the warehouse, and often the RF tags did not adhere well to wooden pallets. These problems were addressed and resolved by the Auto ID Center, which is an industry-funded research program, and the vendors involved, including Savi, Intermec, and CHEP International.

    But other challenges remain. Tagging and data hierarchies need to be developed for truck, pallet, case, and consumer units. Furthermore, the amount of data generated by ePC RFID may be 30 times that generated by the existing technology. Exception alerts will need to be developed to manage this mountain of new data.

    Also, companies will need to invest a significant amount of money and time into making sure that the new ePC system is compatible with and integrates to supply chain legacy systems that use existing bar-code structures. The new hardware and software will also need to integrate with existing systems operated by other companies across the value chain.

    Before companies invest in the new technology, they should be aware of the upfront costs for deploying readers and for purchasing or developing software to capture reader information. They also will need to ensure that the technologies can scale as data requirements grow.

    Phase I was completed in February 2002 and demonstrated the potential of ePC in the real world. Phase II, which focuses on both pallet- and case-level tagging, began in mid-September. Additional suppliers, such as Johnson & Johnson and Coca-Cola, are installing readers and applying tags to cases. These case tags are read when picked at the supplier's manufacturing center and are linked to the pallets they are placed upon.

    Leaders in the consumer packaged goods (CPC) industry have indicated that, as tag costs diminish, value will migrate from tagging shipping pallets to tagging cases to tagging individual items. Consumer goods manufacturers will likely benefit the most from case-level tagging to track products across the value chain. Retailers, in contrast, will gain greater benefit with item-level tagging to improve in-store operations.

    Auto ID: Compelling Potential
    Executives of several leading CPC manufacturers have said that their major priorities for auto ID technologies, such as ePC RFID, include:

    * Lowering inventory and distribution costs across the value chain through better supply chain visibility and demand planning.

    * Significantly reducing inventory and improving distribution efficiency.

    * Capitalizing on the improved demand visibility to become more responsive to changing customer wants and needs.

    * Decreasing theft and counterfeiting of high-value items.

    Many of these hoped-for benefits of auto ID technology are tied to increased visibility. The greater visibility provided by auto ID, for example, may be able to help prevent problems such as damage and spoilage. In the grocery industry, this could prove to be a major benefit. According to the Food and Drug Administration, up to 20 percent of foods are discarded due to spoilage while in the supply chain.

    Additionally, most stockouts are caused by a lack of knowledge of what is in the supply chain. For example, Procter & Gamble found that a third of all stockouts at retailers involved product that was available in the retailer's own warehouse. Reducing stockouts, in turn, will boost sales. According to a Goldwin Sportswear pilot, if customers can find the right item at the retailer before they give up and go elsewhere, sales will increase by 2 percent.

    In general, CPG leaders expect that increased visibility will allow them to be more responsive to fluctuations in supply and demand, which, in turn, will improve their overall financial results. As new technology, such as ePC RFID, develops further, it could, in fact, revolutionize how we manufacture, buy, and sell products. The results could be billions of dollars in savings.

    Peter Abell is research director, Retail Industry Service for AMR Research Inc.

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