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YOPY Arrives
Victor Tramp writes "Apparently the fabled Linux based YOPY handheld has been put on the market after all! Not only do they look like cool PDA versions of a Gameboy Advance SP (they fold), they look like they give the Zaurus a real run for the money, featurewise. Though the fastest processor is 206MHz, they include CompactFlash and MMC slots on the 3700 model. Apparently you can download their Linupy distro, too. And finally, they don't seem to be vaporware!"
... and back then, the people at the Sony booth didn't allow me to touch it, because with my 16 years, i didn't look like a valuable customer to them :)
I also remember downloading some developer libraries and eagerly waiting for the YOPY to come out. But with the time, my interest faded.
I'm really surprised it finally got released after all.
They have been on the market for a *long* time.(Ok, well, in South Korea at least) They have gone through at least 3 or 4 versions by now already. Hardly 'fabled'..
Even though it would be nice to have Linux in a small for factor like this, i'm not sure Linux would be the best solution for a platform like this. And one thing the device is lacking... A BACKLIGHT!
I really am enjoying my Palm Tungsten C!!!
Don't mod me, bro'!!!!
Yikes, the CHEAPEST model is $449, without any accesories. I think I'll give it a miss this once...
TODO: Something witty here...
I thought it was herring breath... if you fail save vs. breath weapon you take 1d6+6 damage from suffocation :P
Come on guys. The carcass isn't even cold yet (well, ok, it is cold, but)...
Damn, that looks kick ass! I was in the market for a Zaurus myself, but wow! So many cool products just come flying into the market these days, it's no WONDER my wallet's got this huge hole in it!
And the fun led indicator? geek toy heaven!
-ZOD-
The Yopy brings a whole new meaning to 'chiclet keyboard'. Has anyone who's used one comment?
I have been pwned because my
does it run Windows CE?
However, a $449 price tag is rather hard to justify here. I known that it's comparing Apples to Oranges, but, a person can still pick up a used, last generation laptop with vast amounts more computing power for the same price on an auction, or slightly more at a computer show. And yes, I do realize that making these things are not exactly cheap, but $400+ dollars for those specs - from an unproven manufacturer?
I'll stick with my $195 backlit Clie that I got from Circuit City - after my $35 mail in rebate and the $10 mark down from the holiday sale (which can do everything that this can) for now. I'll pick a Yopy up off Ebay in a few months though.
It costs more, it must be better, right?
Very helpful that all their URLs point out that the site is in fact supposed to be in english, considering choice tidbits such as these:
Making background freely - You can do it using the Wallpaper program or the Painter easily for yourself.
Screen Protection from scratch or break.
In France and Austria and UK, you can not get the order. Please contact to the site.
Come on guys you really oughta start by cleaning up the way you present your product if your ambitions include ever being more than just a niche gadget for geeks.
Love the eighties style Knight Rider moving LED though, a real touch of class that.
Perhaps they are running their website on a Yopy...
samrolken
But they still look a bit blocky and slightly big. I'm going to have to wait until they get into the next generation before I seriously consider one.
The reason these PDAs will never make it mainstream is due to the HUGE program base that is out for Palms and PocketPC...
You can make an amazing PDA based on Linux, but if it doesn't run the apps that are all ready out there, are the few advantages great enough to outweigh the lack of support?
First pic I saw I thought, uh uh another Clie-styled brick. However, the specs put it at only 7oz, much less than the high end clies. Still not as much as my Ipaq 1910 at a little over 4, but just a hair more than my old Palm III, but with a better form factor .
I have to drool over the 2300mAh battery. Ack.
While a Strongarm processor might not have the sex appeal of an Xscale, most of the Xscales are just empty promises for other handhelds. PPC 2002 doesn't support the Xscale's ARMv5 instruction set, and from the look of the upcoming Ipaq (which don't support v5 either but supposedly will have PPC 2003 installed), PPC 2003 won't either.
Good luck finding a candy flavored Yopy
It uses a StrongARM CPU. Didn't PPCs quit using these a couple of years ago? Hell, even Palms use Xscales now. For $450 I'd at least expect a current processor.
it seems like the website is already slashdotted. It is too slow. Any mirrors? :-)
It's keyboard looks like the exact same dimension as a TG50 Sony Clie (which an office-mate owns). Seems to work for him just fine.
heck... for that price i might as well get a cheap-ass computer... or an ipod, whichever i like better..
...DOES seem to be vaporware!
Used one on an old Pet-2001 and TRS-80 coco. Man, they sucked. Not recommended for touch typing.
Their marketing skills are a bit lacking if they want to sell to the West. I suppose that we have to give them time toi mature, it's not like they can afford to a have a US front office in operation yet.
Dells got some nice pda's 300 mhz for $200. Ok its a pocketPC but compate $450 for 200mhz? Just say no.
anyone any idea what the bottom photo on the accessories page is? It isn't labelled in any way.
I can think of any number of uses for this tool, in terms of instant access and sys work.
I can also think of a number of highly illegal uses for its capabilities.
An infinite number of monkeys will eventually come up with the complete works of
PDAs are main stream; everyone from the CEO to grandma has one. Which means that the average PDA consumer is like every other average consumer of anything else, and name recognition and marketing pizazz still rules the market (in regards to sells).
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* Folder like Design
- Innovative and Attractive Design
- Extreme Portability
- Screen Protection from scratch or break
* Excellent Hardware Specs
- Fast Operation (206Mhz) and Big Memory (128MB RAM/32 MB ROM)
- 2300mAh Li-ion Polymer Battery
- MMC Slot and IrDA port
- Outstanding 65,536 color TFT LCD
- Colorful LED Indicator
- CF-II Slot
* Convenient Keypad
- Performing/Ending/Editing Programs with Keypad
- Same arrangement of keypad as Desktop PC (QWERTY Type)
- Fast and handy data input
* Wireless Internet Access anywhere, anytime
- Wireless Internet Access anywhere, anytime
- Wireless E-mail
- Wireless Lan
* Joyful Multimedia PDA
- MP3 Player
- Recorder
- Painter
- Making background freely - You can do it using the Wallpaper program or the Painter easily for yourself.
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- Copyright(c)2000 G.MATE, Inc All Rights reserved
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Speaking of the gameboy advance SP, can you imagine an iBook like this thing running linux?
A server in your pocket, or maybe two
Hey guys! The Yopy is out for a *long* time! You can purchase them in Old Europe e.g. here:
http://www.yopy.at/
Temporarily down, thanks to /. :-)
My my my, we need to cache these "cites" before we unleash the hounds.
YOPY's for Yuppies. I think so!
Even if it's not USB, some kind of mass storage would be quite a boon. Perhaps Apple will just steer the iPod in that direction eventually.
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This is the background of the YP3700. You can change the background with a photo or picture you like for your taste
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PIMS
Task
Memo
Schedule
Diary
Contact
PIMS Backup
Multimedia
MP3 Player
Painter
Recorder
YOPY Office
Text Edit
YOPY Sheet
YOPY Word
YOPY Viewer
Game
Sokoban
Freecell
Solitaire
XRick
Utility
Package Manager
Calculator
Wallpaper
IrDA
Xterm
Network
Internet Browser
E-mail
Network
WLAN Config
File Manager
File Manager
Settings
Settings
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- Copyright(c)2000 G.MATE, Inc All Rights reserved
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MAME
A 300 MHz Dell Axim X5, which also has SecureDigital (superset of MMC) and Compact Flash slots, costs about $200.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
They said its like a gameboy, just get an afterburner kit. :p
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Though the fastest processor is 206MHz, they include CompactFlash and MMC slots
damn, that's not slow at all, i'm running a 233 right now for my desktop, and it does most stuff, apart from new games very well. I know it's not a pentium chip in the new PDA, so you just can't compare straight mHz, but still 206 mhz, in your hand, this thing r0X0rs!!!
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Sounds like an opportunity...anyone stateside want one (or ten) of these, direct from Korea? Should be able to get, what...like 50+ (retail boxed) of these on a pallet? ...and at least ten of them in my pants :)
"Those? Those are cell phones...I need one for each country I go to, and I go to a lot of countries...why?"
Only 206MHz?! What, thats like 600MHz when compared to a Windows machine.
Horray for FOSS in my hand!
And it flips! I can see it now, LCARS interface, Trek sounds... Whip it out and say proudly "Beam me up Linus"
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
I haven't touched it in a year, because Gmate never released source for anything but the kernel. Worse, their web site had a place to upload things, but anything they didn't like, (like my cool USB base station mod, evidently [see the serial number?]) they just tossed, without a reply -- the upload would just vanish into the ether. (I uploaded three times just to be sure it was deliberate.)
It appears they wanted people to write applications, but not to fool with the hardware or kernel.
I hope they have got less contemptuous of hackers in days since. At this point I would be a lot more likely to order one of those Japan-only Zauruses.
Uh oh. the web site has been /.'ed...
I can't see nothing...
I can't connect..
can someone post the cached link?
buffering...
How lame. They promote the wireless nature of the beast, but it comes with a wireless lan card that stick out the end. Not only does that make it easy to break (and other brands of lan card might not work with the provided driver), but it wastes the slot, something you might need for other things when connected.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
However, since this can run Linux, you can use a generic PostScript driver for just about all PS printers, and a light and basic PCL 6 driver for most "black and whites". All a PDA maker has to do is make a generic PostScript driver and and generic PCL set and be done. Making a PPD work for a given printer can be done by the open source community.
So yes, it is amazing that PDA makers aren't providing printer support.
Well, let's see. I love my Zaurus .. the hardware is good (not sexy, but solid and functional), the software is so-so as a PDA, but great for geeks (my Zaurus is hacked and customized and streamlined out the wazoo, plus I got my wireless MP3 streaming, my tkcVideo movie-watching, got my customized SliMP3 server so I can control any MP3 stream in the house from the Z, got my sweet wireless Pocketop keyboard, got my homebrew RSS reader going on, got my WiFi card in full effect, you get the picture).
.......
So let's compare with Yopy:
Yopy: awesome design, keyboard doesn't look as nice as the Z's which is arranged in the perfect way for thumb-typing. Hmm, you can't fold the screen around and hold the Yopy like a PDA unfortunately, and the keyboard is always exposed. I prefer the Z (plus on the Zaurus you can type pretty much any key you need if you know the right combinations, don't know about this guy).
Looks like the Yopy has speaker/mic onboard? My Z doesn't have that, but the new model does, so that's not a big issue.
Battery life: YOW the Yopy has a phat-ass battery. If there's one thing I hate about my Z it's the <1000mA-h battery. The new Z has a bigger battery but the Yopy kicks everybody's butt.
MMC slot: Well, as far as I know, the SD cards are faster (so they can sell you the copyright bullshit feature which is deactivated on the Z anyway). I don't know if this is slower than the Z's SD slot. Why don't these guys just put TWO CF slots?? That's the superior format in my opinion anyway.
CPU speed: the new Z has a 400Mhz Xscale but apparently it doesn't work right and the performance isn't good. The newer japan-only clamshell Zaurii have a full-speed 400MHz. So I guess it's a draw with the Z here, unless you get the very new clamshell Zaurus.
Colorful LEDs? Well the Z has a couple LEDs that blink and an ANNOYING buzzer. I guess I'll call it a draw here too.
Software: don't know much about the software on the Y. It looks like X Windows.. can I get good software for it? We'll see. I'll give the edge to the Z on this one becuase I know where to get good free and commercial Z software, haven't seen any Y software (yeah yeah, port the X apps, but what about when I want something that Just Works(tm)).
Price: Well the Z is available cheap from many places, I got mine from the HSN special for $168, don't think the Y can compete with that. I'll hand this one to the Z.
WiFi: Does the Y have built-in Wifi??? I don't understand when they say "wifi card". If it has it built-in that's a win for Y, I hate having to go off the air to use the CF slot (I HATE SD cards, and all my software is installed on mine so I never take it out anyway).
So based on my cursory glance: The Y *looks* a *little* cooler than the (non-clamshell) Z. The battery life is much much better. Other than that, I don't see much reason to get one.
Looking forward to the reviews/cool hacks/comments
I've been looking at the YOPY on eBay and they are verry nice PDAs. I first read about them on www.linuxdevices.com IIRC.
Well built, excellent battery time, excellent visual capabilities and vivid color.
In the history of PDAs, I would give the YOPY a B+, but because of its affordability I honestly must put the YOPY in the A- or A category. Truly a marvel whereas it will tap into the market share of people that can't afford the more expensive Toshiba and Sharp PDAs; to begin with, YOPY uses Linux and that means entirly a different arena of software compatibility that other proprietary Microsoft Windows CE and PalmOS PDAs simply can't cover.
For all-time PDA, I consider Agenda Computing's VR3; better battery time and responsivness with a verry low power hardware subsystem, but the interfaces are proprietary and not utilized completly to this day.
Thanks, I'll stick with pen, paper, and my left wrist.
I must admit, one one of those people that the applice newton had some form of apeal to, who was very disapointed when the Palm Pilot came out, and found lacking in the way of features.
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Now, I can't tell based on the site wether or not the screen offers handwriting reconition like the old newton did, but it being linux i'm sure it can adapt if nessicary. One aspect I did enjoy abou the newton was it's ability to take notes in class, while it wasn't quite mature enough to be trully reliable, writing on it "explore your world" it seemed to think I was trying to say, "trust the fungus", it's ability to take hand doddles and actually straighten out the lines and before I knew it, I actually good looking readable diagrams and schematics.
I'm sorta going by http://www.yopy.at/features.html
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http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish
It looks like, to me, that stylus is designed to go on the screen, rather then the Palms that don't really have that feature. While my handwriting skills are pretty poor, I can work with just about any basic graphics application and clean up my my scetchs for something presentable. And too boot, it's based on linux, a product I use and can find applications for, yay.
Too rich for my blood presently, but on a buy from that geek who just got the go faster stripes model list.
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I did the research, and homeboy is right
Call me back when Duke Nukem Forever is ported to it.
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
http://yopy.com/engrish/products/yp3700_overview.h tm ;)
by Palm. $499 with wireless inside, not a card. 400 mhz strongarm. Smaller, cooler looking and has a keyboard. All I need. I don't need to program on my handheld (although there is a C compiler for Palm), Why would I want a linux handheld? Keep compiling kernnels? doesn't compute with me.
Seriously, no troll.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain with all your metadata.
Shit, people are saying there's no backlight on the Yopy screen. If that's the case, then definitely stick with the Zaurus.
;-)
How the heck am I supposed to watch porn at night?
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!
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I can't see the yopy homepage, so I don't know how it currently stands, but a quick look at google to try to sneak a peek at the cached copy led me to find yopy.org which points you to a debian developer's page entitled yopy sucks!. I certainly hope they have looked into this issue as it could be a downfall in a niche market...
Joe
"Perl 6 gives you the big knob" -- Larry Wall
Try it with some WINE.
(Ok, maybe WINE doesnt do CE, but the idea is Linux to be a superset of Windows...)
About a year and a half ago I became obsessed with getting a linux handheld. Yopy, the VR3 and Zaurus were available as easy access for purchase. (The older Yopy- this one came out around Xmas) This story is hardly news. Just new-to-non-googling-for-cool-devices americans.
Maybe its an ad. Either way, I chose the Zaurus w/ no shipping from Staples at a discounted price due to their price-matching blah blah blah. I wanted the Yopy though, mostly because, for those wondering, it does run on X.
Ebay for them. They're there, and $250 now.
"Making background freely - You can do it using the Wallpaper program or the Painter easily for yourself." Cause if I'm not making backrgound freely, I'm just not happy.
I recently downloaded a series of atari 5200 games and an emulator. To be honest I haven't tried to use anything resembling a 6502 emulator for years. At least on my 733 pentium III machine, it seems quite adquate.
Question: What about making a nice little transparent wrapper so that an existing wealth of games can be used under this new platform. While I'm sure some of the classics like pac-man and such are still protected under copyright, but after seeing recently an atari joystick with essentally a 2600 onboard, i'm under the impression that a comercial enterprise could successfuly purchace legit license for reasonable fee. I would think that companies like Atari would be overjoyed at the possibility of their classic stuff that pretty much has squat in the way of market value actually making a buck or two.
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Didn't anyone ever watch star trek? When the hell are we going to get *real* pad devices? What a kludgy looking piece of pooo.
How were they supposed to give Zaurs run for its money ...
if the features are similar but Zaurus
can be bought on-sale for less thant $200...
While these Yoppies are $450-$500
how about Bobey ?
Just as much as an I-Pod. Were all millionaires.
Like the GBA-SP, this device uses FRONT LIT screen, which makes it viewable IN ALL LIGHTING ASPECTS. Outdoors in the bright sun, in dark rooms, in dim rooms, bright rooms, etc.. Front Lit is PERFECT, and doesn't use up hardly any battery compared to backlit.
I'm 100% serious when I say that those wishing backlit screens have either never owned a backlit device and used it outdoors, or just dont care about lighting because they live in a dark cave irregardless.
Backlit screens = TERRIBLE for these devices.
I think any kind of Linux based PDA (or PMT in Zaurus-speak) is not going to appeal to the average PDA consumer/user. These are really a lot more than PDAs. Actually, if you look just at the PIM apps, they suck. What these are really good at are connecting to/monitoring/administering networks and machines. For Unix boxes you've got standard ssh/scp/telnet/ftp/nfs/smb/etc. There's also a wonderful app called WinconnectZ for the Zaurus that's basically rdesktop on your Zaurus. My boss flipped when I showed him (in a meeting) a server desktop on my Zaurus. Around the room it went to all the managers. They were sold on that alone. Now all our administrators have one. And I got reimbursed for everything I spent. :-)
Anyway... I wsent off on a tangent, but the long and short of it is I doubt these will appeal to the average user. Admins, definitely!
If you really wanted to push these to ordinary users, I think I'd concentrate on marketing the mp3 music/mpeg movie players on them. And the fact that they have CF card slots (think IBM 1 gig microdrive - they hold a lot of data).
The fact that you could check your email in Starbucks doesn't hurt either.
Says on their page its front lit like the GBA-SP and Afterburner kit, which are perfect ways of lighting that works great indoors and outdoors.
Turns out, you have to make a wire transfer to their bank account in order to get one. When's the last time you went to your bank for a wire transfer (note: there are extra fees involved).
Also, shipping to the US is US$50. So raise the minimum price to US$500.
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WOW! You can change the background now? Incredible! I can not only change it, but I can change it easily by myself!
Hey I have an interest in a linux based PDA but boy did thse guys mis the boat as far as a feature set goes.
First I have no interest at all in a device that does not support compact flash. Apparently the 3500 model does not have a compact flash slot, and the 3700 uses that for wireless.
Second no back light - no sale. Hey sometimes we have to work in the dark.
Third, even if all of the above did not apply this unit is to expensive for an outdated processor. I realize there are performance issues with xscale but come on folks Intel is not the only barge on the river.
Looks like I'll have to stick with Linux running on outdate laptops as my equivalent of a PDA.
dave
Fascinating. This should be on Slashdot's front page.
Starting Score: 1 point Moderation -40 50% Troll 50% Flamebait Extra 'Troll' Modifier -60 (Edit) Total Score: -100 Please. No more stories about trying to touch an ASIAN man's Yoppys.
I don't have any of the supported PDAs, but my ultra-cool, ultra-sexy, uber-geek girlfriend has an iPAQ (not that I'm kissing up so she'll get one, but I do think she is those things... really... its true! bah!). It's $139 though... That hurts and will push it back on my toy buying schedule. Maybe my girlfriend will read the PDF manual and think about it ;)
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Wow, it's new design is a radical departure from the original "beta" models, which looked a hell of a lot like a thicker Zaurus. I like it a lot (the design and the layout).
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Damn. My initial thoughts were completelly opposite. I think the layout is weird and the thing looks like a brick
I already wrote a long rant about the device but came back to me senses and cacelled
Would not spend 449 on one of these things either...
Linux and 128M RAM are cool thou.
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This looks great. I just ordered one.
I have a Zaurus and it has generally been a disappointment. The built-in applications are not all that good, and its use of Qt/Embedded makes it very difficult to port most Linux GUI software to it--you have to spend time learning Qt/Embedded. I find the Zaurus mostly useful as a little wireless terminal and music player for around the house, not as a PDA.
The Yopy looks like it gets it right: standard Linux with X11. Note that G.MATE also first tried to use some other embedded window system and then saw the light.
Also, the keyboard on the Yopy looks like it's more functional to me than what the Zaurus has. The Zaurus keyboard feels nice, but the sliding mechanism is kind of clunky. On the Yopy, it's right there.
The price seems pretty much in line with the new Zaurus, the PPC, and Palm handhelds, and the Yopy just seems like a nice machine.
I refuse to run the inferior NIH linux which has lied to me with every release about how stable or robust the previous release really was. I will only run a BSD based PDA. It's time to port this baby to BSD!
If you absolutely must have a Linux boxen, go for it. If you actually need a PDA, skip this one.
Look at the software screen shots. The scheduling app shows a 6am appt. with a label of "Get UP".
We're talking about something even more useless than the PPC2002 Outlook. Same with the other apps...
These things look like they were made by 19 year old hackers - how they could expect that anyone could actually use these is beyond me.
It's worthless...
Jan
HOLY SHIT DUDE! That's CRAZY!
I heard a nasty rumor it comes with Duke Nukem Forever preinstalled.
Please help metamoderate.
Dude, I've got a Dell! Actually was impressed enough with the Dell Axim's specs that we ordered a few to test, and have been using them as our "Standard issue for techs" PDA. With the 300Mhz model, the 802.11b card, the USB sync cradle and a beefy 3400mAh battery, I think they run a little under $400 for the combo pack we've picked out.
The thing I like most about them, the long battery life - I get 6-8 hours of ALWAYS on use with the 802.11b card with the standard battery, and 13+ hours of constant with the 3400mAh battery.
My least favorite? PPC2002 OS. Seems that the system STILL has bugs to be worked out of the OS. Sometimes things just don't work as you would expect them to (like pushing the power button and expecting it to turn off).
Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
Nice keyboard. Are Linux fans taking design cues from the Atari Jaguar?
If you look around, you can find great deals on Pocket PCs. I got a Toshiba e335 (64M RAM, 32M Flash, XScale 300Mhz, Integrated SD expansion, 16-bit color sidelit reflective screen, speaker, microphone, stereo headphone port, USB host) for $125 on Amazon thanks to some mail in rebates (it was $250 before rebates).
And now, something that no "Yuppy" should be without....
I'll stick with my $195 backlit Clie that I got from Circuit City
No question, the Clie is a great deal for a basic PDA with a nice screen. But none of the PalmOS devices are particularly good for developing custom applications for because their OS is so different from everything else (oddball memory management, database as the primary storage model, a GUI toolkit that's different from everything else).
And yes, I do realize that making these things are not exactly cheap, but $400+ dollars for those specs - from an unproven manufacturer?
The Yopy has been on the market for several years and is apparently fairly popular in Korea. But the beauty is, it really doesn't matter whether the manufacturer is obscure or not: the thing runs standard Linux and X11, so you know exactly what you are getting. Furthermore, should G.MATE disappear, your investment in the software isn't lost because you can just run it on an iPaq or some other Linux/X11 handheld.
As for the price, you pay $499 for a Yopy with WiFi, which is pretty much the same you pay for a Tungsten C. For the Tungsten C, I think that's overpriced, because PalmOS really has a hard time taking advantage of the 400MHz ARM, 64Mbytes of memory, and WiFi. In contrast, the Yopy makes sense: there are lots of Linux applications for which its compute power makes sense, and all that needs to be done to run them on the Yopy is to recompile them.
I have an Adaptec SCSI card that plugs into my HP Jornada 680's PC Card slot, and lets it use Zip and CD ROM drives (haven't got around to trying one of my SCSI HDD's yet). I did have to watch on eBay for one of the later 1460's that would work with the Adaptec WinCE drivers, but I got it for about $20 or so ...
FWIW
If your willing to built it yourself you can build a Dragonix PDA with USB support.
Obveously printer support would be part of that and it runs Linux.
On a only slightly lower end you can get a printer cart for the Handspring Visor I belive they have something similar for the Palm III and up.
Still there hasn't been a major intrest in printers for PDA's over time.
Still an "on the fly" biz card printer would be nifty.
I don't actually exist.
The reason these PDAs will never make it mainstream is due to the HUGE program base that is out for Palms and PocketPC..
I think that's a misperception. Yes, there are a lot of people selling software for Palm and PocketPC, but most of that is for giving you functionality that Linux users take for granted.
Something like the Yopy (or even the Zaurus) gives you things like ssh, terminal emulation, rsync, 802.1x, WiFi apps, image viewers, editors, huge numbers of special purpose applications, plenty of games, etc out of the box or via a free download. Even if you paid hundreds of dollars for add-on Palm or PocketPC software, you couldn't come close--many of those applications have never been ported to Palm or PocketPC and would be a major project to port to those platforms if anybody tried.
What the Palm does well--better than any Linux PDA--is its built-in apps. But that's pretty much all it does well.
when will those handheld manufacturers realize that 64 mb of memory aint gonna cut it for us computer geeks?
i mean if apple could make a slim 30GB ipod, and 400mhz strongarm is available, why not put them both together and make the ultimate handheld device of the century
running linux of course...
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Let me guess: they're running their webserver on a YOPY...
dump the gui and make it into a portable wifi iTerm. You could even license the vt100 name from Digital, I mean Compaq, I mean HP.
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Sweet pic, too bad the hinge is different from the top than from the front
Sure I can. Get yours here. It's like a 4" iBook, except that it's smaller and lighter. Flip over for a small tablet/pen-based PDA. And, like Apple, it runs a proprietary window system on top of a UNIX-clone, which is an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on where you are coming from.
I mean really could they not have made it look at least a little better. Yes, yes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but really how much effort could it take to develop something a little nicer.
hm... and i thought that 'vaporware' would be a link to duke nukem forever...
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Although the yopy 3500 and the 3700 are the first commercially viable versions, the yopy 3000 has been around for more then a year.I have had my yopy 3000 for more then a years now and I have bought the 3700 too. It's a big improvement with the backlight support and the hancom office suite.
Rich people are eccentric. Poor people are strange. Me, I'd be happy with odd.
It looks like a solid PDA, but not really eye catching compared to Zaurus, CLIE, Tungsten or some CE devices. It probably has less applications ported for it than any of the above. What else can it compete on except price?
By contrast iPOD is unique in many aspects, from exceptionally sturdy design to enough storage to backup your whole hard drive or boot your desktop from the PDA. When there are dozens of devices like this, people will no longer pay $500 to get one.
Shame he's an ugly fuck.
Hmmm.
Dude, if your left hand owns an iPaq, so do you.
I just dissolved my company today, so there won't be any more staff meetings. Or perf reviews!
:)
Hey, do you know anyone looking to hire a guy with technology development and coffee making skills? I think I could handle those pushbutton machines at starbucks
DOPY! UGLY! Just what a geek wants! U-G-L-Y!
If THAT'S slim a toothpick is Anna Nicole's dildo!
There is NO VT5 instruction set that matters to all but very select applications. There is a 40-bit MAC operation that could be useful, but that's it from the application level.
Left-handed? You weirdo!
Why the hell is everyone SO DAMN STUCK to the vertical form factor? This is one of the reasons I've never be able to comfortably use a modern PDA. I remember early on leaving my Palm at home more and more, in favor of my old 256kb Sharp clamshell; and to this day still find myself disappointed whenever I store-demo the latest, greatest gadget. Seriously, vertical layout is totally anit-ergonomic, and makes you look like some mutant goliath doctor pecking with a pen at a tiny clipboard. Clamshell is the way to go! Holding the device is far more natural in regard to hand position, thumb-typing is very fast and easy to get the hang of, landscape is a better screen layout, and you could still slap some wheels and buttons on the case edges for one-handed use. I hope that the new Zaurus clamshell is the shape of things to come, and that this decade-old Palm clone idiocy will finally cease. And while we're at it, let's also face the fact that Danger (Hiptop) is the only thing going as far as new and innovative design! (if only it had some horsepower...)
I mean, it's rubbish all over, a real minimal effort.
Lets start with the spreadsheet:
Does it have a charting/graphing ability? NO.
Correct behavior with respect to formulas when new columns are inserted? NO.
The word processor:
Does it support styles? NO.
Does it support the embedding of application objects? NO, all it can do are bitmaps.
Does it have a spell checker? NO.
Date or other abitrary fields? NO, can only insert date strings.
Todo list:
The todo list integrated with the Calendar? NO.
Does the todo list remember it's view options between instances? NO.
The calendar:
Does it remember view options between instances? NO.
Does it have a year overview? NO.
Does it make good use of the limited screen real-estate? NO, it uses large blocks to display entries.
The media player:
Can it handle multiple play lists? NO
Does it handle corrupted/truncated files gracefully? NO, it locks up and takes the UI with it.
More general complaints:
It doesn't have a generic database which can handle arbitrary data types.
You can't embed objects (tables, pictures, sound recordings etc) from one application into another application.
The clock doesn't have an alarm function.
The world time utility has a very limited city list.
The address book doesn't allow choice of the fields displayed.
The screen real estate is badly used, the menu bar, scroll bars and task bars are constantly on the screen using up space.
The user interface constantly requires the switching from pen taps to keyboard and back.
There's no way to do an equivalent to alt-tab to other running applications using the keyboard, you have to use the pen.
All the files are in a *single* Documents folder requiring extensive scrolling if you have a large CF disk inserted.
You have to press the edit button or chose the edit option from the menus in the todo list, calendar, address book to edit entries which means switching from pen to keyboard and back. Why not just click directly on the entry?
The synchronisation software is an afterthought, you have to place files in specific folders and press a button to sync. Why no drag and drop.
On top of all this... I have to back it up to MMC card twice per day because it's not reliable.
Good points:
Wifi/LAN connectivity.
Opera is nice.
Nice games.
Can play MP3s.
Psion/Epoc based machines (Series 5, Revo) are *faster*, have all of the above functionality with a significantly lower hardware profile (8Mb RAM, 18MHz cpu). These machines have been properly thought out with respect to the user interface on small machines and the functionality of the applications. The only thing they can't do is play mp3s.
The Zaurus by comparison has been thrown together with little thought to the user interface on a small machine it's basically a smaller edition of a desktop user interface, the on board applications are hopelessly limited, basically needing commercial or freeware replacements for virtually everything.
The only reason it is remotely acceptable to the market is that the market has particularly low expectations of palmtop systems, brought by the adoption of rather poor systems like the Palm and Windows CE machines...
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
"Colorful LED Indicator"
Wow! Gosh!
Nothing like a Knight Rider-style light thingy to get my money!
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Forget the bells and whistles. Can it sing?
... grid of these. duh!
> And finally, they don't seem to be vaporware!
I live in Europe, I bought my Yopy3000 for over a year? Weres the reality check in Slashdot stories, Yopy has NEVER been vaporware!
I hope they have started on the design of the replacement - presumably XScale-based. We have been told that the StrongArm is going unavaiable soon - some time like end summer.
Consciousness is an illusion caused by an excess of self consciousness.
or the fact that you can pick up a SL-5500 zaurus for $199.00 most anywhere.
yopy... cool idea, but cut the price in 1/2 for the same cash I can get a SL-5600 with twice the processor speed.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I dunno about all you, but I've had a YOPY 3000 for about a year now. It's in my pocket as we speak.
:). Also lots of tips, tricks, and help.
The 3500 and 3700 models were announced before Christmas too...
The sites have been available since I've gotten it, and they're released new versions of Linupy twice since I've had it.
Check out www.yopydeveloper.org. Many useful opensource downloads for the Yopy. Several of which I contributed (porting ogg123, for example
It's a pretty decent platform.
University - a box of academia nuts.
And with its "Fashionable Slim Size", I could use it to keep my truck from rolling down the driveway. I certainly wouldn't want to wear the thing all day, esp. with the LAN card hanging out to catch on things.
"Never pet a burning dog."
... you forgot to dream about USB memory sticks. If those could work together with a PDA, that would be cool!
"It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
Which model were you referring to?
So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
...or is this supposed to be something cool for the Linux/OSS world? If so, why does a precusrory glance at the download page yield only Windows .zip files? Does this machine connect to and communicate with a Linux desktop? Even more important (from my POV) is would it do the same on a FreeBSD box?
Don't get me wrong, they look really cool, but these are, IMO, the machine's main selling points. If they lack support in this area, you might as well forget it because there's going to be some very disappointed geeks out there. I would hate to think that these little PDAs are using Linux as a way of keeping the OS costs down, whilst at the same time neglecting the the very people who make it possible for them to do this.
I hope I'm wrong...
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
It was horrible. The text looked simply awful in Mozilla and appeared overtop of the images. It was difficult to read and looked like a child created it.
Go to Dynamism.com and check out the Sony PCG-U101!
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
I just bought a Zaurus 5500 on eBay and are waiting for it to be shipped up to me, but I have been scouting around on the net about it.
The first task for me will to be to get a CF memory card and install Open Zaurus and Opie on my Zaurus and get rid of QTopia, which is good but the Opie/OpenZaurus combo turns the Zaurus into something that I think fits my needs.
I realize that I am not a normal user, so the QTopia environment and standard applications need to be improved so they can compete with everything else.
You're really almost comparing apples to oranges here. I used to own a Psion Revo+, and now I have a Zaurus 5500, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. The EPOC OS is probably the most polished, stable OS I've ever used. The pim apps were great. That said, the Psions you're taling about never had anything close to the functionality of the Z.
- The Z can handle real Word and Excel files, the Psions can not. They must be converted.
- The Psions simply do not have the CPU power to play MP3s, let alone DIVX movies.
- There is a ROM update for the Z which fixes some of the things you're talking about (like the documents tab). You are clearly using the older ROM version.
- On top of all this... I have to back it up to MMC card twice per day because it's not reliable.
The Z can simply do more, but its OS is nowhere near as polished.This is probably the double reset bug. Install the safeboot ipk. Now that I've done so, I have yet to expecience data loss and it's been months.
Life is too short to proofread.
No, after looking at its price, I think "Yuppy" is more appropriate.
I can't afford a sig!
The Palm III and the Palm IIIe were the last in Palm's lineup to use the older generation of LCD screens.
The newer generation of LCD screens, used on all non-color Handspring PDAs and all more recent Palm PDAs, has higher contrast and better response times. The image produced is sharper.
Of course, this BLOKE you speak of could have been just like the dozens of idiots who destroyed their screen's protective coating through heavy use. Any screen with a damaged coating is gonna look damn blurry.
Man is the animal that laughs.
And occasionally whores for Karma.
Now if someone had a CF2 sized mobile phone card and the docs to write a driver, I could actually trash my Treo... any hints are appreciated :-))
open (SIG, "</dev/zero"); $sig = <SIG>; close SIG;
I think I like the upcoming Zaurus better.
u s.com/lineup/sl/slc760/slc760_spec.ht ml
It uses a similar design to the Yopy but is MUCH mroe functional.
Here is the japanese site (in english..sort of):
http://ezaurus.com/index.html
http://ezaur
I like it's fold around style that allows you to have the screen in "widescreen" mode which is much more compliant for websites and writing text. It also closes with a clamshell like design that protects the screen. And the keyboard buttons are MUCH easier to use than the current gen Zaurus's and Clie's.
The new SLC-760 come with 128MB of ROM and 64MB of Ram and uses the newer XScale processor. Has SDCARD/MMC-Card and Compact Flash slots.
cool idea, but cut the price in 1/2 for the same cash I can get a SL-5600 with twice the processor speed.
You were correct in saying that you can get a SL-5500 for $200. However, you cannot get a SL-5600 for $200. They are quite a bit more expensive. Most places still have it for $500, although you can get it a little cheaper elsewhere.
Also, the 400 MHz XScale PXA250 found in the SL-5600 isn't twice as fast as the 206 MHz StrongARM in the SL-5500, the Yopy, or the iPAQ 3x00. Please read some of the stuff around before you go around making such blantantly incorrect statements. The PXA250 at 400 MHz is about the *same* speed as a SA-1100 at 206 MHz, on Linux *and* Windows CE. With the SL-5600, you pay more than twice as much than the SL-5500 for a better RAM config, better battery life (though the XScale, which uses less battery life and a bigger battery) and a bigger number on the CPU speed.
The Zaurus is also a cool idea that just hasn't worked out. Most anyone who has used another PDA for anything other than showing off at a LUG meeting finds the Zaurus to be very lacking in software. The built-in PIM apps suck, there is no real HWR (and the char recog is slower than molasses), the screen is utterly unacceptable (on the SL-5x00 models), and the battery life on the 5500 is utter shite. But it's Linux, and that seems to be enough for some people. Call me crazy, but I gave up on liking something only because it was Linux a long time ago, but I'll happily use it on the PDA again when it doesn't suck so bad.
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
Ok... it has more RAM. It also runs the X, totally negating the extra RAM.
I agree, i picked every device that was linux and stopped doing it altogether. remember the yopy developer, the agenda developer and all of them were real sucky ............
Wow. I don't think anything is the end-all, be-all for handhelds. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. I don't really see how you think one machine can be either. But thanks for reminding us that there are hardcore MS zealots out there too! :-)
Now all that's missing is the Newton zealot post
I was really disappointed to not see a touch screen mentioned in the spec. I did eventually found out it came with a stylus which practically implies it has a touch screen, but I found this very confusing. I, of course, think a PDA without a touch screen is rather useless.
Loren Osborn
It's not that it's Linux -- I could care less
about that. It's that it's open source.
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
This one time some stuff happened, and then some more stuff happened, and this guy was like, YEAH!