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FreeBSD 4.9 Released
Digital Dharma writes "Excellent! FreeBSD 4.9 has been released, and if it's anything like the RC series, this will be a release to remember. You can obtain it from the usual sources, or if you're feeling generous and supportive, you can buy the cd set. Support your local Daemon!" As Jani Laaksonen writes, the new release includes "numerous security advisory fixes, kernel changes and support for the Physical Address Extensions (PAE) capability on Intel Pentium Pro and higher processors (see page(4)). This release also adds support for a few more hardware NIC cards, ipfw network protocol enhancements, userland changes, and more. Check FreeBSD 4.9 Release Notes for more information."
The excitement over this new release hit the beleaguered BSD community like a bombshell.
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Cheers,
Ian
FreeBSD Rocks!!! Linux Sucks :(
Ok, so it isn't the first pr0st33z. But...
GO RAMS!
Fuck you all.
I hate every one of you.
Love Always,
News For Turds
But... How does it compare to Linux 2.6.0-test9 performance wise?
Q - What do you call a bunch of *BSD developers?
A - A funeral
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It's not free as in pants. Only use GPL, and remember to send your $699 payment. Per processor.
There is a fairly significant amount of Christians in IT. Shouldn't open source be using something less offensive, like "services" instead of glorifying evil?
YOU FAIL IT!
*BSD is dying. It features no support for any applications I use, and can't run any games I play. Not even the famous BSD Babes can save it now.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
Face it man BSD is in a vegetative state, pull out the damn feeding tube and let it die a dignified death.
BSD has a nice history, why spoil it by keeping this thing on life support?
1. You can not play games on it.
2. It cannot be used by my grandma.
3. It lacks a GUI of any note.
4. There is no support available for it.
5. It is an assortment of fragmented OSes.
6. It cannot be run on the x86 platform.
7. You have to compile everything and know C.
8. Support for the latest hardware is always poor.
9. It is incompatiable with GNU/Linux.
10.It is dying.
did they fix the bug where freebsd sucks and linux 0wns it?
I thought FreeBSD was already on 5.x or something like that. Is that the development version? Does FreeBSD use a linux-like version numbering where odd numbers are development releases?
Who said Freedom was Fair?
To rise up yet once again from the dead!
BSD is designed. Linux is grown. C++ libs
Since BSD developers are egomaniacs and immature flamers they have decided to just fork off a new version for that. Some developers felt that BSD has a legacy of sucking ass and they didn't want to remove support for it while other developers thought that BSD has supporting sucking ass way to long and should just lick balls instead. Since these egomaniacs can never agree on anything in typical BSD style they just mad a new incompatable fork.
I am happy to announce the availability of FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE, the latest release of the FreeBSD -STABLE development branch. Since FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE in April 2003, we have made conservative updates to a number of software programs in the base system, dealt with known security issues, and merged support for large memory i386 machines with Page Address Extensions (PAE) from 5.1.
:
/h andbook/mirrors-ftp.html
For a complete list of new features and known problems, please see the release notes and errata list, available here:
http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.9R/relnotes.ht ml
http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.9R/errata.html
This release does not include all of the new technologies that were introduced with FreeBSD 5.1 in June. Most developer resources are focused on improving the FreeBSD 5.X branch, and this may very well be the last major release of FreeBSD 4.X. The security officer team will continue to actively support the 4.X branch according to the normal policy. Additional 4.9.X releases may be made available when necessitated by security vulnerabilities or high-impact bugfixes.
We encourage all our users to evaluate FreeBSD 5.1 and the upcoming 5.2. Because PAE support has only been a feature in 4.X for a few months, it has not received wide-spread testing, and our most conservative users may wish to stay with FreeBSD 4.8 until they choose to migrate to 5.X.
For more information about the distinctions between FreeBSD 4.X and 5.X, or for general information about the FreeBSD release engineering activities, please see
http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng/
Availability
FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE supports the i386 and alpha architectures and can be installed directly over the net using the boot floppies or copied to a local NFS/FTP server.
Please continue to support the FreeBSD Project by purchasing media from one of our supporting vendors. The following companies have contributed substantially to the development of FreeBSD:
FreeBSD Mall, Inc. http://www.freebsdmall.com/
Daemon News http://www.bsdmall.com/freebsd1.html
Each CD or DVD set contains the FreeBSD installation and application package bits for the i386 ("PC") architecture, as well as Cmdr Taco's pron collection. For a set of distfiles used to build ports in the ports collection, please see the FreeBSD Toolkit, a 6 CD set containing extra bits which no longer fit on the 4 CD set, or the DVD distribution.
If you can't afford FreeBSD on media, or just want to use it for evangelism purposes, then by all means download the ISO images. We can't promise that all the mirror sites will carry the larger ISO images, but they will at least be available from:
* ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
* ftp://ftp3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
* ftp://ftp.tw.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
* ftp://ftp6.tw.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
* ftp://ftp{2,4,7}.de.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
* ftp://ftp.au.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
FreeBSD is also available via anonymous FTP from mirror sites in the following countries: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Japan, Korea, Lithuania, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Portugal, goatse.cx, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.
Before trying the central FTP site, please check your regional mirror(s) first by going to:
ftp://ftp..FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD
Any additional mirror sites will be labeled ftp2, ftp3 and so on.
More information about FreeBSD mirror sites can be found at:
http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books
For instructions on installing FreeBSD, please see Chapter 2 of The FreeBSD Handbook. It provides a complete installation walk-through for users new to Fr
CMDRTACO CHECK YOUR EMAIL!
Oct. 23 -- BSD resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.
"IF IT'S over a year, BSD's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just don't see it. It just doesn't happen."
BSD, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding tube in BSD's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband, Theo De Ratt, who said his wife had told him she (BSD) would not want to be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (BSD) could die.
they should include on the new release: click me
The worst fears of many are, sadly, now confirmed to be real. The
consensus opinion among industry analysts, software experts and end
users is that BSD has no future. Seems that everyone is talking about
*BSD's failure and imminent demise. Linux has received a boost in recent
weeks as disgruntled *BSD users investigate more viable options. Most
core developers have long since moved on to better things. At least one
project is reportedly investigating if there's anything in the *BSD code
base worth salvaging.
Not everybody is mourning, however. A few core BSD developers are
welcoming the opportunity to work on a project with some kind of future.
Many observers are confirming, privately, that BSD's funeral will be one
that's long overdue.
As we pore over the sad story of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal
mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what
mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
We should, of course, give BSD credit for its early successes. In the
1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to
the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as
the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD
product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract. Problems with BSD's
codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design
approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The
Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are
inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development.
BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that
centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype -
BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any
achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license,
which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without
reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not
prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL. The early
triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that
would hamper BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley
Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly
violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad
intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley
Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD
distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the
founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution,
OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website.
Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with
Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD
distribution.
There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. Let's keep to the
facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are
13000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see.
The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio
of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 13000/5 = 2600 NetBSD users. BSD/OS
posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore
there are about 1300 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at
about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (13000 + 2600 +
1300) / 0.2 = 84500 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of
FreeBSD Usenet posts. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time
FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to
underscore the point more clearly. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing
short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. As many of us
are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows
like a river of blood. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival
prospects are very dim.
Fact: *BSD is dying
*BSD is dying troll generator version Wed Oct 22 13:50:05 CEST 2003
So does this mean that the FreeBST team isn't patching security issues as they are reported, and are instead fixing them over the period of (presumably) scheduled release iterations?
If this is the case, why isn't the /. community all over them like they are Microsoft?
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
FreeBSD is *not* free guys! It never was! At least not in the true sense of the word. It is rather an attempt by some programmers to whore themselves out so that their code can be as popular as possible and as widely used as possible, with only an afterthought given to the ideals of truly free software.
I love BSD. It's so easy for any Evil Corporation to take it, modify it, redistribute it under a draconian closed-source license, charge an arm-and-a-leg for it, and REAP THE REWARDS! Even if 99% of the code is untouched. Muahahaha!
Guys, wake up. BSD is not free software. It never was. Well it is free, but it's not designed to stay free due to its overly permissive license. Any true supporter of free software would shun it and stick with GNU/Linux these days.
BSD comes with a lot of GNU utils. They *owe* the GNU project, and would do well to switch their license to the FSF's GPL.
(Let me make a piece of software. Call it RedWM, the Red Window Manager, and within it offer only shades of burgundy and not any real Red. That's an analogy for how misnamed FreeBSD truly is!)
I wonder why those idiots with no more to say than "bsd is dying", "pull the plug", "bsd sux, linux rulez" are not simply filtering out BSD related posts and be done with it... they get moderated down to oblivion anyway...
:)
I'm personally very happy with FreeBSD, thank you.
Hope SMP support (and pthreads support) will get better soon now. Can't wait for 5.x becoming -STABLE.
// "If human beings don't keep exercising their lips,
// their brains start working." -- Ford Prefect
Er, that would be "FreeBSD" of course :)
BSD is where linux was 4 years ago?
Come on people... I understand stability. but this is rediculious.
Wow, Slashdot posting the story of a BSD release AFTER the official release announcement and the web page being updated? Must be a first.
Please explain why you modded this down. At least repy to the parent! I think there are some good points raised and just modding it down to 'troll' without any explanation is not fair!
These FreeBSD guys need to play some catch up here!
I mean, Apple is already on version 10 of their operating system, which is also FreeBSD - and the FreeBSD people themselves are only on version 4.9?!
C'mon - wake up and smell the coffee, guys. You've got 5.1 versions to go just to catch up to Apple!
This is good for BSD and good for all of us. For those you saying that BSD lost its vigor in 1990 (lawsuit) then i wonder how the current Linux fiasco is going to impact the penguin. We are all in this together really, a strong BSD means more security for all of us. Espescially with the SCO monster running around. Who know in 5 years maybe BSD will be growing at 17%/year and linux will be on life support. Remember fame is fickle.
Anybody ever hear what happened to the fork. DragonFly or something?...
-t
http://unmoldable.com W:"No one of consequence" I:"I must know" W:"Get used to disappointment"
BSD is so dead, I got wood at this announcement.
None of the points raised by the post in question are worth wasting any time on. The poster's understanding of what "free" means is simply flawed. Flawed? Broken.
Free doesn't mean "do it my way." Free doesn't mean "do what I say." Free means free, period. Unburdened by restriction or prohibition. Free doesn't mean you get to tell other people what to do.
A lot of people don't like freedom. A lot of people think that other people should just do what they're told and not make their own decisions. The poster in question is evidently one of these people. He thinks that people shouldn't be free to do whatever they want with free software. He thinks that people should only be allowed to do certain things, under certain circumstances.
That doesn't sound right to me.
That's where the discussion begins and ends. The poster in question is wrong in his most basic assumption, so there's no point in getting any deeper into it than that.
But I agree with that assessment.
If you buy the complete CD Set from BSDMall, you get a collector's box. That's right, a mini-coffin to hold your *BSD CDs!
Karma whore.
The average all posts:non-0 rated post ratio on slashdot is around 1.3. On bsd.slashdot.org it's more like 3:1 to 5:1 (there's currently a story with 40:1). What is wrong with these people? Choice is good, mmm-kay.
just a skinny girl in a devil bikini. she never takes it off tho.
It is a troll, but if you really want a reply: The BSD license is free in a different way than GPL software. It is free in a way that actually allows more freedom than the GPL. One of the points of the license is to allow for others to use it in their closed source software. This is a good thing, as it helps business and helps stimulate the economy.
Would it be better if Microsoft wrote their own TCP/IP stack and it turned out very buggy? Would it be better if OS X didn't exist at all? BeOS?
I'm not going to argue which license is more appropriate. They both have their pros and cons. And either one may be appropriate depending on your goals.
#!/
You have a naive understanding of how the world works my friend. Can you truly be free when there is no system in place to protect your rights? No! Would you consider yourself free if there were no laws?
Sure you would be, for a time, until that pack of hungry hoodlums comes by and denies you all of your freedoms. They beat you up and take away your property. They can do it because they are just as free as you. As soon as they do that you are no longer free. They can do it because you aren't protected by the law.
True freedom means the ability to be protected from losing your freedom. We in the United States like to say we live in a free country. Not because we can do whatever we like, but because we like to think that the system is all about protecting our freedoms as much as is possible in a civilized society (at least we used to think that before the USA Patriot Act.)
Your freedom is about as short-lived as the amount of time it takes some guy to come over and bully you into giving up your rights!
The thing about FreeBSD is that anyone can easily take away the freedom of the software! And many closed-source vendors do just that.
For software to truly be free, it must never ever ever risk losing its freedom, no matter what hands it falls into. Anything else is not free.
If microsoft had a shittier TCP/IP stack would that be better?!
Hell yes it would! That would make getting people to use free software that much easier! You are basically saying you want to help microsoft make a better product! If you like that at least fucking get paid for it! You want to work for a company like microsoft...for free? That is really sad...
Would it be better if OS X didn't exist at all? Sure. Why do I care if more closed source proprietary software exists?
"numerous security advisory fixes"
At first I read that as "humerous". But of course this isnt Windows we are atalking about. eyethangyoo.
<fnord>OBEY</fnord>
When will FreeBSD support multiple processors?
Does BSD have unix flavour.....Go get em SCO. GO get em SCO . Go SCO go SCO go SCO ......yessssssssssss...
Yes! You are right. That's the crux of the problem. In fact vendors are DISCOURAGED from contributing to BSD, because they FEAR helping out the competition.
Now, with Linux, even vendors are freer to contribute, because their contributions are GUARANTEED to not be exploited by their competition and used against the vendor that contributed. Everybody wins. This is why GPL is more free than BSD.
foad
NIC cards... redundant nonsense.
Hot water heater anyone?
While it's true that BSD is momentarily 'freer' in the sense that you can do whatever you want with it, this logic is ultimately really flawed.
If you look at the big picture, it is _not_ the way to go. FreeBSD discourages the true ideals of Free Software, because it offers no protections to those wishing to contribute, including private companies.
And if you think that if GCC had a BSD license that Apple would simply "give away" their modifications to GCC, you are pretty naive.
And to call the GPL a silly expression of freedom is utterly insulting and completely sophomoric. I won't even respond to that. You clearly don't get what free software is all about.
I've never been failed by the one and only "YOU FAIL IT!" before! Yay me!
I personally enjoyed OpenVMS more than my experiences using FreeBSD. The little devil mascot should be replaced with a three thousand year old mummy...
that the difference between a *BSD release and a Linux distro release is a night and day difference. When a linux distro is released everyone comes out of the wood-work, says it is the best thing since the 386 was released, praises Allah, and there would be few if any comments to the contrary. Yet, when a *BSD release comes out it becomes a religious war over which is better, and all the trolls come out of the wood-work?
The views expressed are mine own and do not express the views of my employer.
Subject header says it all... I'll just rely on good ol' fashioned ftp then.
I'll have something intelligent to add one of these days...
The BSD license is free in a different way than GPL software. It is free in a way that actually allows more freedom than the GPL.
You are confused. When you say that BSD is free, what you really mean is that the BSD licence does not impose any restrictions upon the recipient of the code, and hence the recipient of that code is "free" to do with it as they see fit.
When I say that the GPL is free, I really mean is that the code itself is protected by a garuantee that it shall remain open and freely available to every recipient of that code. It does not however, garuantee any freedom to the reciepient itself.
The BSD "free" is a different "free" to the GPL and applies to two different things. Hence the confusion and silly statements that "The [GPL|BSD] is [more|less] free than the [GPL|BSD]"
I work for a company that bases many of it's products on FreeBSD -- excellent OS - easy to customize, and we're not constrained by the GPL to give away our work.
The GPL does not constrain you to give away your work. It only mandates that you have to include your source code whenever you distribute the program--that's IF you distribute your program.
Generally we dont package up and sell our software, but rather sell services (accounts on our hardware running our software).
You could do the exact same thing with Linux, or... oh... GNU Hurd. There is nothing in the General Public License saying that you cannot make some software for Linux for internal use, and then sell services using that software.
When I say that the GPL is free, I really mean is that the code itself is protected by a garuantee that it shall remain open and freely available to every recipient of that code. It does not however, garuantee any freedom to the reciepient itself.
The BSD "free" is a different "free" to the GPL and applies to two different things. Hence the confusion and silly statements that "The [GPL|BSD] is [more|less] free than the [GPL|BSD]"
That is exactly what I said:
"The BSD license is free in a different way than GPL software. It is free in a way that actually allows more freedom than the GPL."
I didn't say that the BSD license is more free than the GPL, I said it allows more freedom [to the recipient].
#!/
Ahhhhh, sweet revenge.
Be nice to the FreeBSD project. In the remote event SCO wins its lawsuits, FreeBSD, especially the 5.x series, would easily be able to replace Linux.
...does it run Linux?
I've used linux for about 4 years, but i have always peeked into the BSD camp now and again.
While i like linux, and it has always done well for me, i think it's time for me to jump the fence to FreeBSD completely.
The BSDs always seem to be more mature and logical, and `cleaner'.
Maybe this isn't the best reason to drive such a decision, but i think a lot of the noise and trolling from the linux camp of late has really put me off. I know *all* linux users aren't like this, but it's really turning into something don't want to be associated with. I have a similar situation with the Apple community, and Windows, well... i just hate the OS enough.
The level of integrity that i've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction on usenet, slashdot and irc with BSD folks is impressive. There aren't any issues of acting juvenile or overly zealous.
Maybe in a while the linux camp will "grow up" some and i'll come back.
Sorry.
do() || do_not();
I am a have excepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour and see nothing wrong with a play on words The great thing about Open Source, is you don't have to use it.
Accepting this as 'glorifying evil' absolutely incorrect. FreeBSD isn't saying, use it b/c the Devil uses it, or putting other 'evil' messages in the source. It is picture, one manufactured by Man, which has no idea what a demon even looks like. Red tights are fabrication by Man.
Anyone want to read Harry Potter?
Asenchi
What is wrong with these people?
Two words: inferiority complex.
Does that mean we'll have to abstain from using "icons" as well?
Actually, the word Daemon, like many things in Christianity, has roots in paganism, though it also has connections to Ancient Greek as well. Only in Christianity does the word specifically refer to an evil entity.
What's the difference between Unix borrowing the word to mean Disk And Execution MONitor, and Christianity borrowing the word to mean a sort of evil, supernatural entity?
Everyone one of REAL IT-types us are heathen atheists. Sorry to burst your bubble. We likes our BSD naughty.
Mmmm... sacrilicious.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I used Linux for about a year, coming from a 'doze background. It was alright but nothing spectacular. My first install of FreeBSD, however, I fell in love with. It seems to have all the things that Linux promised -- speed, stability, security -- without the overhead of some of the modern linux distros. Installation was simple and quick. Configuration was simple and quick. The ports collection rocks. FreeBSD is still an excellent choice for a professional developer or sysadmin.
Plus, SCO isn't coming after my source code;)
why do all the trolls suddenly come out when a FreeBSD story comes out? Perhaps all the linux zealots feel just a little inferior that a competitive OS besides Microsoft exists, and that linux may not be the single absolute best thing after all.
There was something on this that was already on /.
You can find that here and also here
Granted it's the 5.x versions of FreeBSD but still got a good comparison.
Evolution or ID?
You got trolled. If the word "daemon" is actually OFFENSIVE to you, you may as well not live, because everything will be offensive to you.
FreeLSD has a superior userbase but we can't go there because if we go there we'll bring down its amazing userbase and then linux will have a superior userbase.
Then you should have been specific and said "The BSD license is free in a different way than GPL software. It is free in a way that actually allows more freedom for the recipient of the code than the GPL." As it stands it reads like so many of the silly "more free" arguments, which it isn't.
I can't help it if you clowns can't understand English.
Agree 100%
People misunderstand the word "Free". Free with BSD truly means FREE. No strings attached.
"Free" to GNU people means "Well, its free BUT--you have to ensure it keeps this viral license"
That second part doesn't work. It can't be free and have a "but...". No excuses...don't even try. It ends there.
Dammit, and I was just thinking about installing 4.8 on an old machine I have. I got it with the 'latest', to the U.S. at least, issue of LinuxFormat.
Now I feel compelled to download 4.9 instead of 4.8 and try and install it.
"For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
I keep reading all these posts about it. What's the story? Is FreeBSD an American Icon, like Ninnle Linux is?
FreeBSD is arguably just as secure as OpenBSD IF you do some reading and tune and secure and disable anything you don't need.
Don't believe the myth that OpenBSD is the only "secure" BSD around. Remember it even came with a trojan once so security issues can happen to any OS.
NetBSD has the lowest amount of reported vulnerabilities but that is probably directly reflected from the size of its user base. Anyhow I love em all and run all three in my home network.
FreeBSD for me is the platform I develop on (not just FreeBSD ware but POSIX and ANSI compliant), I run NetBSD on my more obscure older hardware that FreeBSD can't install on (enough power, just more unique hardware wouldn't get past installer). OpenBSD is what I run my personal firewall and Apache on just for a bit of flavour (even though Free or Net would work)
All my posts on this topic got modded down as troll or flamebait. :(
That's because you're a sad pathetic troll, I hope you get modded -1 every time. This thread is about a FreeBSD release, not about how GPL is more "free"
Quit polluting the thread and ruining it for the rest of us. We want to read about changes to FreeBSD, not how LUN1X 0WNZ j00. I'm not surprised you don't totally understand the concept of "free", you're a warez kidd after all.
go here: http://craig.afraid.org/site/main.pld=binaries/fre ebsd/4.9&f=1&t=0
UGH. http://craig.afraid.org/site/main.pl?d=binaries/fr eebsd/4.9&f=1&t=0
Thats better.
Too true. Coming from the "Bible Belt" I can say that the "Demon Factor" is a problem. It doesn't matter how many friggin' 'a's you stick in there, a red creature with horns, a pitchfork, and a tail is still a Demon to many people.
At least Open and DragonFly decided to change the mascot. Getting them exposure is a little easier in my "redneck [southeast non-]mountain town!!!!!"
I'll take your post seriously.
They probably mean it includes security fixes compared to 4.8-RELEASE. However security releases do exist, they are versions with a p# in them. e.g 4.8-p13. These contain 4.8 release plus any security fixes.
Also there are release engineering versions (aka releng) that have the update that have a version number like 4.8-20031010. These contain secuity updates plus system and driver updates.
BSOD!!
i went to grab a ISO and all the mirrors have is disk two...
what happened to disk one, isnt that necesarry for booting and starting the install???
forgive my ignorence as i am a lowly Linux user...
I think I will just wait for longhorn before I upgrade my OS again.
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. I
I can't help it if you can't remember to specify a proper subject for your sentence.
If you have troubles, try this mirror...
:)
ftp://olaf.spack.nu/pub/mirror/freebsd-iso/
Enjoy
Ender
Nothing to see here
Go Read Your Fucking Manual!
$ man rmfm
Damn, anyone that can say ANYTHING GOOD about *BSD must *obviously* be Theo Duh Rat.
NINJA BANISH!
Dude, Theo...
You must have one massive inferiority complex to make sure you are the first to say that the Linux Community has an inferiority complex with GPL and opensource et al.
Grow up, The duh Rat.
Ninja Banish!
Grow up, Theo.
Everything in that post points back to Mr. RTFM; you!
All you did was swap freeBSD//Linux in a troll post. Let me give you an example...
I used LESBIAN STRAPON SEX for about a year, coming from a 'VIBRATOR background. It was alright but nothing spectacular. My first install of DEEP RUBBER CUNT, however, I fell in love with. It seems to have all the things that LESBIAN STRAPON SEX promised -- speed, stability, security -- without the overhead of some of the modern LESBIAN STRAPON SEX distros. Installation was simple and quick. Configuration was simple and quick. The ports collection rocks. DEEP RUBBER CUNT is still an excellent choice for a professional developer or sysadmin.
Plus, CMDRTACO isn't coming after my MAN-MEAT;)
See what I mean? That is Theo the Rat trolling his freeLSD operating system!
NINJA BANISH!
FreeBSD is dying
if it's anything like the RC series, this will be a release to remember. OK, that comment sounds rather omnious. Can anyone clarify that remark?
Could they be stockholders in companies that have cast their lot in with Linux? Rabid adherents of the FSF (or the FSF itself)? I'd honestly like to know what the agenda is here.
All major marketing surveys show that FreeBSD has steadily declined in market share. FreeBSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral.
In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking.
Fact: FreeBSD is dying
My dad shot both dogs (they were about two miles from their home and the owner had been warned before to keep them chained up). He put down the ewe with the worst injury but the one without the ears lived. She was hilarious to look at! She must have been deaf after that because she would always angle her head toward you when you called them, but she lived for quite a few years after that! Nothing funnier looking than a sheep without ears!
FreeBSD is like a dead ewe without ears.
One of the points of the license is to allow for others to use it in their closed source software.
Gee, for a while there, you started to sound like one of those GNU people saying GTK+ was better than Qt because it wasn't under the GPL...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
If this is a troll, then why isn't the parent of my parent not a troll?
Oh thats right, some opinions are better than others on Slashdot.
you moderators are hypocrites. I will keep on posting until you quit moderating me down.
troll/flamebait. look at responses.
The *BSD Wailing Song
What's left for me to see
In my ship I sailed so far
What can the answer be
Don't know what the questions are.
And after all I've done
Still I cannot feel the sun
Tell me save me
In the end our lost souls must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low.
Who knows what's really true
They say the end is so near
Why are we all so cruel
We just fill ourselves with fear.
And heaven and hell will turn
All that we love shall burn
Hear me trust me
In the end our lost sould must repent.
I must know it is for certain
Can it be the final curtain
As long as the wind will blow
I'll be searching high and low
Final curtain
Final curtain
Available, maybe... ie if you have ADSL,
something still considered a bit of a
luxury here in Australia...
We got some unbelievably quick down-
load speeds using a 56 Kb/Sec modem,
UNTIL the end of our nominal 4-hour-
session...
at which time the transfer re-started
(despite our Resume request)
Thanks [Australian] FreeBSD server(s)!
Maybe they turn off Resume capability
to sell more CD-ROM sets...?
It won't matter in a couple of years. FreeBSD will be gone. And quickly forgotten, I might add.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
their agenda is to piss you off, which looks like they are quite successful at.
on the same token, I could accuse BSD Fanboy's of being the ones who post the linux trolls. Ever thought of that, Mr. Smarty Pants?
.Oct. 23 -- BSD resumed receiving life-sustaining care yesterday in a
Florida hospital room, but many experts said there is virtually no hope
that it will ever recover, despite it fan boy's desperate hopes.
"IF IT'S over a year, BSD's not ever going to get up," said Fred Plum, a
professor emeritus at Weill Cornell College in New York. "You'd just
don't see it. It just doesn't happen."
BSD, 39, has been in a persistent vegetative
state since its heart stopped for unknown reasons in 1990. A feeding
tube in BSD's stomach was removed this past Wednesday after its husband,
Theo De Ratt, who said his wife had told him she (BSD) would not want to
be kept alive under such circumstances, won a long series of court
battles to have life-sustaining nourishment withdrawn so she (BSD) could
die.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: FreeBSD is dying.
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What We Can Learn From BSD
By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0
Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.
These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.
As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.
Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.
Being able to murder your neighbor does not make for more freedom. It results in less freedom, because a right due your neighbor simply in virtue of being a person in these modern times, is violated.
Distributing an application without making source code available and granting the rights of modification and redistribution, violate such rights.
When you think you are doing good by using the BSD instead of GPL license, you are not. What you are doing is selling your neighbor and his or her rights down the river; you have bought the lie of wealthy corporate interests.
[jason@beast]$ uname -a
FreeBSD beast 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Sat Nov 1 17:36:30 EST 2003 jason@beast:/space/obj/usr/src/sys/BEAST i386
so put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
-Dirtbag
...runs smooth like shit coming from a duck's ass!
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Please read the BSD license and learn something about copyright law before spreading this crap further. Nowhere in the license does it say you can relicense BSD code and under common copyright law you cannot do that anyway.
What Stallman said was BSD licensed code (or other code under a free license) distributed with GPL code should be *distributed* under the terms of the GPL, not relicensed (which legally is just wrong).
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
The numbers continue to decline for *BSD but FreeBSD may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for FreeBSD continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes FreeBSD is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: FreeBSD is dying.
If FreeBSD is so dead, why is Yahoo, amongst many other top hosting providers, still using this "dead" OS? ;) netcraft.com moron. Don't worry, none of us run *BSD's because it's "hip" - nor did we ever. That's been left up to the Linux Community apparently. We use it because it's superior.
I love FreeBSD but I still can't use it on my main PC because I can't get printing to work. AHHHHH