KDE 3.2.1 Released

Aha by stratjakt · 2004-03-09 10:21 · Score: 5, Funny

Now we know why the government needed that 2.5TB chunk of RAM.

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Re:Aha by Billly+Gates · 2004-03-09 19:44 · Score: 4, Funny

YOu mean they run emacs?

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another link by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:21 · Score: 5, Informative

another lews link with coverage here

Low Saxon by guacamolefoo · 2004-03-09 10:22 · Score: 4, Funny

You know, I've really been holding out on using KDE because it didn't support Law Saxon. What a relief.

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Re:Low Saxon by willy134 · 2004-03-09 10:25 · Score: 1

since KDE 3.2 and is available in 49 languages (now including Bengali, Icelandic, Japanese, Lithuanian, Low Saxon, Latin Serbian and Tajik). I sure can't wait till it comes in English ;)

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Re:Low Saxon by notque · 2004-03-09 10:25 · Score: 1

You know, I've really been holding out on using KDE because it didn't support Law Saxon. What a relief.

Forget Low Saxon, Tajik is where it's at!

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Re:Low Saxon by jamshid42 · 2004-03-09 10:27 · Score: 1

I'm still annoyed that they don't support Sindarin or Quenya. How am I supposed to work with this?

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Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 10:28 · Score: 5, Informative

For the record, Low Saxon is an extant language used every day in parts of Germany and the Netherlands.

It may be a somewhat obscure language, in the sense that Icelandic is an obscure language, but just as is the case for Icelandlic it is not an obscure, dead language.

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by Chalybeous · 2004-03-09 10:32 · Score: 4, Funny

They're still waiting for biometric logon features, namely voiceprint-based passwords.
"Speak 'friend' and enter!" ;-)

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Re:Low Saxon by Vlad_the_Inhaler · 2004-03-09 10:53 · Score: 2, Informative

You too can be a volunteer - you can add the language support. I am sure the KDE crew would welcome your input.

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Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 11:06 · Score: 4, Informative

Bantu is a language group, not a language. Like Semetic. The most important of the Bantu languages is Swahili, which many people who have a great deal of use for KDE speak as their first language.

The clicking language of Namibia is not part of the Bantu group.

By the way, Zulu is already supported by KDE, and a Swahili translation project is underway.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that in the heavily industrialized, educated and rich portions of western Europe where Low Saxon is spoken they have a good deal of use for KDE as well.

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by Ulven · 2004-03-09 11:11 · Score: 1

If you mean the 'click' languages, they are part of the Khoisan language group, which is itself part of the Bantu family.

As are most of the sub-saharan languages.
Re:Low Saxon by wild_pointer · 2004-03-09 11:11 · Score: 5, Funny

Hey, stop making fun of our language!!! Icelandic is spoken by about 300.000 people... yeah ok, I get your point ;)
Re:Low Saxon by Ulven · 2004-03-09 11:15 · Score: 1

My mistake, Khosian isn't a Bantu language.
Re:Low Saxon by cjellibebi · 2004-03-09 11:42 · Score: 2, Interesting

For more details on Low Saxon, see this page. There's even a link to a map of the areas where it is spoken.
Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 11:47 · Score: 3, Insightful

However, it is difficult to deny that in the realm of classical literature your people loom much larger than their mere numbers.

The importance of a language goes far beyond such trivialities as how many people speak it. What they have to say is also of great social and political import.

Oh Lord, won't you buy me. . . .OW! Sorry. I'm better now.

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by Frizzle+Fry · 2004-03-09 12:20 · Score: 4, Funny

You omit the critical distinction that while Icelandic is merely an obscure living language, Low Saxon is an obscure living language with a funny name.

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Re:Low Saxon by Quo_R · 2004-03-09 13:27 · Score: 1

Thanks for pointing that out to me! I didn't know my local language was called Low Saxon in English along with Low German. Can't wait to test it out. Wer ook immer de Idee har, ick mutt seggn de Idee is wunderbor.
Re:Low Saxon by utopyr · 2004-03-09 14:08 · Score: 1

Nice link! About halfway down the page, there are parallel lists of placenames--this is the pair that caught my eye:
Das Altes Land -- Dat Ole Land
This does make the point just how complex linguistic inheritance and influence can be. Haw!
Re:Low Saxon by vegetasaiyajin · 2004-03-09 15:10 · Score: 3, Informative

They're still waiting for biometric logon features, namely voiceprint-based passwords.

This security scheme would be very weak. Someone can record you while you say 'friend' and later use the recording to log on. Old-fashioned passwords are better.
Worse, you can change your password if someone steals it, but you can't change your voice, or fingerprints. If you want more security you have to consider three elements:
1. What the user knows. That is, the password. This is the most versatile.
2. What the user is. You use biometrics for this.
3. What the user has. You can use smart cards or RFID tags or similar.

If you can only afford one of these, you have to pick good old-fashioned passwords.
I think there are free PAM modules for smart-card authentication. Check MUSCLE for more info. Don't know about biometrics PAM modules. Since KDE login screen uses PAM for authentication, it shouldn't be too hard to support combined password, biometrics and smartcard authentication.

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Re:Low Saxon by CheeseTroll · 2004-03-09 15:15 · Score: 2, Interesting

Thanks for the link! I also found this which goes into a bit more detail.
Most of my ancestors are from the northwestern part of Germany (Oldenburg, Hanover, etc.), and my grandparents spoke "Low German" here in America until 1917, when English suddenly gained in importance. Whenever I asked my grandparents if they still remembered much German, they would say something like, "Oh, sure, but it's just that Low German." I never really understood what they meant by that - I figured they were just being their usual overly-modest selves.

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Re:Low Saxon by Joey7F · 2004-03-09 15:21 · Score: 1

Islandisk sounds great. It may be spoken by 300k people, but that doesn't matter. Actually all the Scandinavian languages are cool as hell sounding.

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Re:Low Saxon by kragaroth · 2004-03-09 17:41 · Score: 1

Icelandic sounds more like Scandinavian languages 1000 years ago... And it's cool as hell sounding!! :D
Re:Low Saxon by jpkunst · 2004-03-09 18:31 · Score: 1

For the record, Low Saxon is an extant language used every day in parts of Germany and the Netherlands.

Yes, but as a colloquial spoken language, hardly as a written language. For that, standard German and Dutch are used. I doubt that many people from Germany or the Netherlands feel the need to have their software in Low Saxon instead of German or Dutch. Icelandic, being the official language of Iceland, is a different story.

JP
Re:Low Saxon by mOdQuArK! · 2004-03-09 19:22 · Score: 2, Interesting

This security scheme would be very weak. Someone can record you while you say 'friend' and later use the recording to log on.

Maybe you can use the public key-like "challenge-response" setup - where the security tells you some random stuff to say, you repeat it and the security analyzes your voiceprint to figure out if the right person is saying it. (Of course, if the security accidentally gives you a tongue-twister, maybe the way you screw up the words is also part of your "voiceprint"...)
Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 19:38 · Score: 2, Insightful

More to the point, perhaps, is that Low Saxon doesn't even have its own defined orthography, so I'm at a certain loss how it can be supported as a written language.

Still, someone considered it important enough, perhaps for sociological reasons, to make the "translation." Much as a Welshman might be perfectly comfortable in English, but prefer to conduct himself in Welsh at times.

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by Chalybeous · 2004-03-09 20:01 · Score: 1

That's an interesting post. I'm deeply surprised that someone would take the time to write something so insightful and detailed in response to a short post intended purely as a joke (I just couldn't resist riffing on The Fellowship of the Ring when Elvish languages were mentioned - specifically the part where the Fellowship is trying to open the door into Moria).
I remember a movie from a few years back called Sneakers, where Robert Redford and his buddies actually do fake a voiceprint-based password using fragments of a recorded conversation. I certainly wouldn't trust something like that on critical access.
Anyway, thanks for the effort and the insight. I found it interesting, even though I don't work in the IT industry.

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Re:Low Saxon by DataCannibal · 2004-03-09 21:25 · Score: 1

" the heavily industrialized, educated and rich portions of western Europe where Low Saxon is spoken "

Let me guess, you've never been to the parts of Holland and Germany where this is spoken have you ?

Sheep say "Baa" all over the world :-)

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Re:Low Saxon by cozziewozzie · 2004-03-09 21:39 · Score: 1

Can you say 'Hamburg'?

It's only Europe's second largest port and the city with most millionaires per capita in the world. Many Low Saxon speakers there.
Re:Low Saxon by DataCannibal · 2004-03-09 22:07 · Score: 1

But only when spoken by females. When males speak them they just sound like teh swedish chef :-)

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Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 22:17 · Score: 2, Funny

Yes, but they are rich and educated sheep.

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by DataCannibal · 2004-03-09 22:32 · Score: 2, Interesting

Low Saxon ?
My wife is a german scholar and teacher and she grew up speaking Low German (or Niederdeutsch or Plattduutsch) und "Ick kunn ok een betten platt schnacken" despite the fact that I'm English, who are supposed to be the worst people in Europe at learning foreign languges

My wife always refers to it as low german in English and in German academic texts it is always refered to as "Niederdeutsch". I have never heard of it referred to as Low Saxon

Lower Saxony is one of the states (Laender) of Germany and Low German is spoken in parts of it, particularly in the countryside. Maybe someone from there is the KDE translator and has decided to hijack the name of the language :-)

It's a very interesting language with a long history. It was the lingua franca of the Hanseatic League. There is no official orthography for Low German although it is generally spelled phonetically using modern german pronunciation of the letters ( a bit like writing "parlay voo" as a phonetic english spelling of "parlez vous"). It is almost impossible for "normal" or High German speakers to understand someone speaking Low German. Funnily enough, I come from a part of England where the local dialect is strongly influence by scandinavian and germanic (North East England) so that because I could speak High German and the traditional dialect of my region, I had very little problems understanding Low German the first time that I heard it. In fact some words are exactly the same. For example we pronounce water as "watter" and low germans say "vatter". For going we say "gannin" and they say "ga'an".

I think that there are still some pockets of Low German speakers in the USA.

So there you go, a quick introduction to Low German.

Keek mol weder een !

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Re:Low Saxon by NightWhistler · 2004-03-09 22:33 · Score: 1

You would probably know it as 'Gronings' or 'Drents'.

I'm originally from Groningen, one of the parts of the Netherlands whose dialect falls under the Low Saxon area. My experience however is that the dialect tends to differ from village to village, so I'm very curious which form the language takes in KDE... I'll certainly be installing in just to see how much of it corresponds to the version of Gronings I was brought up with...

Offtopic: this reminds me a lot of the "Roampies 2000" joke... Dutch people will know what I mean... ;-)

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Re:Low Saxon by Elektroschock · 2004-03-09 22:38 · Score: 1

Low saxon (ISO: Nds) is not called low saxon by its speakers, they call it plattduutsch. There is even a own Wikipedia op platt. Plattduutsch is one of the European regional languages, however stuck in the middle of Dutch and German and dansk. In each of these states it is often regarded as a dialect. It is even spoken in parts of paraguay and the mennonite community as many mennonite culture groups were founded by Frisian and today most Frisians speak platt.
Re:Low Saxon by kfg · 2004-03-09 23:08 · Score: 2, Interesting

Yes, in Germany it has been known as Low German for many years, primarily due to political/sociological reasons in denying it to be anything other than a variant of German, rather than a language in its own right.

Although there may be pockets of speakers in Lower Saxony I doubt it was anyone from that area that had anything to do with this, since neither the "Low" or the "Saxon" have anything to do with Lower Saxony. Low Saxon is the Saxon language of the Low Countries. In other words the coastal region. It seems more likely to me that the originators of the translation come from one of the port cities.

And yes, there are pockets of Low Saxon speakers here in upstate NY (heavy colonization by people of the low countries), which is where I first became aware of the language (my SO's grandparents being German immigrants).

KFG
Re:Low Saxon by DataCannibal · 2004-03-10 23:42 · Score: 1

Yup I can say "Hamburg". I lived there for ten years. Have you any figures for how many Platt speakers live there ?

I mean proper speakers not just someone who can belt out a couple of verses of "Ick hev een Hamburger veermaster seen". I met very few. All the platt speakers I met in Hamburg came from the countryside. None of them were born in Hamburg.

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Re:Low Saxon by cozziewozzie · 2004-03-11 01:04 · Score: 1

Unfortunately, I don't have any figures, but I have met Platt speakers while living in Hamburg. It's true, they are not in the majority, but this has a lot to do with the growth of Hamburg and the arrival of people from other parts of Germany. The number of people whose families have lived in Hamburg for generations is quite low. It is the same way that Bavarian is not the predominant language/dialect in Munich even though it's spoken almost exclusively around it.

I have actually met several people from Hamburg whose mother tongue was Platt. There's plenty of literature available in Plattdeutsch. Hell, most of the city's locations have Plattdeutsch names. There's plenty of speakers in Hamburg still, at least it's my impression.

They'll never get into the schools though, until: by kfg · 2004-03-09 10:23 · Score: 5, Funny

It supports Elvish.

Klingon, however, has already been determined to be "silly."

KFG

The Mandrake curse? by Akai · 2004-03-09 10:24 · Score: 4, Informative

Poor Mandrake, seems like every time they go gold on a release one of the major components gets a major upgrade :)

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Re:The Mandrake curse? by haystor · 2004-03-09 10:26 · Score: 1

No kidding, I'm installing 10.0 now just to get the stuff that barely missed out being in 9.2.

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Re:The Mandrake curse? by Njovich · 2004-03-09 10:35 · Score: 1

Very good point that Mandrake often is unlucky with release dates. But this is a maintenance release/bugfix, not really a major upgrade, so I don't really see how your point goes up here? These minor KDE releases happen quite frequently...
Re:The Mandrake curse? by Simon · 2004-03-09 10:38 · Score: 5, Informative

Except for the fact that 10.0 has heavily patched KDE 3.2.0 packages which are almost 3.2.1. My KDE here is at package version 3.2-70mdk, 70 meaning that it is the *70th* version of this package. i.e. it has been patched and rebuild roughly *70 times.

Try:

rpm -q -changelog libkdebase4 | less

Oh, Mandrake hasn't gone gold either. The boxed version will go gold in May as I understand it.

Mandrake's luck isn't _that_ bad. :) They're even coming out of Chapter 11 too.

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Re:The Mandrake curse? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:39 · Score: 1, Interesting

And they missed out on 2.6.4 too! and GNOME 2.6! and $YOURFAVORITESOFTWARE_X_Y!

New software is being released all the time. Sure KDE is a fairly large component, but why hold up an entire distribution for a point release?

The point is that sometimes things need to get shipped. There's always the possibility to get updated packages for your system, or just wait until the next Mandrake point release, which can't be more than a few months away.
Re:The Mandrake curse? by imr · 2004-03-09 10:42 · Score: 2, Insightful

They didnt go gold, only the comunity went out. Not that it means that kde3.2.1 will be in the final. It Would be a nice move tho', since some of those bugs are really bothering.
Re:The Mandrake curse? by shystershep · 2004-03-09 10:44 · Score: 1

Is it a curse, or just a factor of having an insane (in a good way) release schedule. You can hardly turn around without them offering a new version, with all of the then-current bells and whistles. So the latest stable release doesn't have the most bleeding edge components -- just wait a couple months.

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Re:The Mandrake curse? by phoxix · 2004-03-09 10:45 · Score: 3, Insightful

Poor Mandrake, seems like every time they go gold on a release one of the major components gets a major upgrade :)

Not true:

First, Mandrake 10.0 was NOT the final release, it was the community release. The final release of Mandrake 10.0 (due soonish) will have all the fixes and whatever else is desired.

Secondly (don't quote me on this), but I believe many of Mandrake's KDE 3.2 packages have the various patches needed to make it a better desktop all around.

Sunny Dubey
Re:The Mandrake curse? by danidude · 2004-03-09 13:26 · Score: 1

So the latest stable release doesn't have the most bleeding edge components
Exactly. Or it is stable or it is bleeding edge. Choose one.

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Re:The Mandrake curse? by AigariusDebian · 2004-03-10 07:35 · Score: 1

You know what *REALLY* surprises me about this?

This time Debian developers do indeed follow the upstream and the release of KDE 3.2.1 went to Debian unstable almost faster then it was released upstream.

All the best, folks!!! Thanks and congrats!

And here come the flame by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:24 · Score: 3, Insightful

the most advanced and powerful free desktop for GNU/Linux and other UNIXes
Please don't put such things on the main page, we have enough boring flame wars already...

Re:And here come the flame by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:33 · Score: 5, Funny

Do you mind? We're in the middle of a vi versus Emacs debate here.
Re:And here come the flame by Shut+the+fuck+up! · 2004-03-09 10:38 · Score: 5, Funny

Please don't put such things on the main page, we have enough boring flame wars already...

Oh, so you're one of those holier-than-thou anti-flamewar fanatics, huh? Well, I personally think flamewars rock. We need more of them. I could use a good mysql flamewar right now.
Re:And here come the flame by Vlad_the_Inhaler · 2004-03-09 10:56 · Score: 1, Flamebait

NO WE DO NOT.

Flamewars are a menace and those who propagate them should be horsewhipped. ;-)

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Re:And here come the flame by bogie · 2004-03-09 12:28 · Score: 3, Insightful

Why not? Free Software isn't allowed to do any marketing? What so the people at KDE shouldn't be proud of their work? They should say "one of many Desktop Environments but really Gnome might be better?". Gimme a break pal.

KDE has every right to say their software is the best. By all rights it IS the best Free Desktop for GNU/Linux or any Unix. I'd even argue its superior to the closed source OS X but that's a whole other ball of wax.

It isn't a flame from the KDE camp, its A)marketing and B) mostly based in fact. Don't like it? Tough cookies.

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Re:And here come the flame by Frizzle+Fry · 2004-03-09 14:09 · Score: 1

Why not? Free Software isn't allowed to do any marketing? What so the people at KDE shouldn't be proud of their work?

The arugment isn't that the KDE people shouldn't advertise their work, it's that the slashdot front page shouldn't "advertise" their work. An editor easily could have edited the writeup to remove the blatant marketing and simply state the facts (that it's been released, that it supports Low Saxon, etc.).

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Re:And here come the flame by aled · 2004-03-09 14:37 · Score: 1

-Agreed. No, wait, I mean against!
-At least let's find something more interesting to flamewar, that is not a good topic.
-It is!
-It's not!

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Re:And here come the flame by xpl_the_myst · 2004-03-09 16:04 · Score: 1

How does parent get +4 Insightful? The crib was with the /. mention not with KDE marketing.

These days, it seems pretty easy to get a good rating on /. if you simply go against some conventional logic in a pseudo-reasonable manner.

But, guess what! conventional logic aint wrong most of the times.

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Re:And here come the flame by ShadowRage · 2004-03-09 16:28 · Score: 1

pfft, use notepad, you outdated command line junkie! :P

*note to mods, not a troll*
Re:And here come the flame by shivanan · 2004-03-09 16:58 · Score: 1

We need more of them. I could use a good mysql flamewar right now.

MySQL? Isn't that the cheap watered down version of PostGreSQL?
Besides, real men don't use databases. They do find | xargs grep
Re:And here come the flame by tanveer1979 · 2004-03-09 19:51 · Score: 1

Do you mind? We're in the middle of a vi versus Emacs debate here.
Debate? What debate. We already know Emacs is better.

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Re:And here come the flame by tropicflite · 2004-03-10 05:41 · Score: 1

Is NOT!
Re:And here come the flame by Tukla · 2004-03-12 03:49 · Score: 1

GIMP, of course, isn't actually a GNOME app.

Woohoo a maintainance release!!! by stratjakt · 2004-03-09 10:24 · Score: 5, Funny

Hail from every rooftop!

Some bugs are fixed!

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Re:Woohoo a maintainance release!!! by Vlad_the_Inhaler · 2004-03-09 11:01 · Score: 1

Well, I was looking for some updated .rpms this afternoon and noticed then that 3.2.1 was available.

It has sorted all of the problems that were previously annoying me. The only (very minor) problem is that I had to de-install kdenetwork3-chat to install some of the new packages. The package kdenetwork3-InstantMessenger seems to have replaced it.

No new bugs so far.
Your mileage may vary.

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Re:Woohoo a maintainance release!!! by aliens · 2004-03-09 12:17 · Score: 1

I can't believe you have two +5 Funny comments on the same story.

You trying to become a karma god? ::) Or have you just perfected the jokes that /. finds funny?

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Re:Woohoo a maintainance release!!! by mhesseltine · 2004-03-09 12:43 · Score: 1

I can't believe you have two +5 Funny comments on the same story.
You trying to become a karma god? ::) Or have you just perfected the jokes that /. finds funny?

Of course, keeping in mind that funny mods no longer add to karma, I think moderators are more willing to throw around funny mods.

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Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:25 · Score: 4, Funny

I bet the person who posted the release was all like , "3.....2.....1.....NOW!" when he posted it.

Re:Hmmmm by PSUdaemon · 2004-03-09 10:42 · Score: 1

No, probably more like "3...2...1...Kontact!"

most powerful? by DuckWing · 2004-03-09 10:27 · Score: 1, Insightful

latest generation of the most advanced and powerful free desktop

I'm not sure I'd agree with this statement. KDE Suffers from many shortcomings over Gnome, and visa versa. I'd agree with ONE of the most advanced and powerful, but not THE most advanced and powerful.

Just my $0.02 worth.

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Now /. covers maintenance releases? by JohnGrahamCumming · 2004-03-09 10:27 · Score: 3, Interesting

I can understand it being front page news if a significant project like KDE releases a significant release, but seriously why does a maintenance release make it to the front page?

I released POPFile v0.21.0, perhaps I should have submitted a story?

And while we're it at, could we stop with the posturing "the most advanced and powerful free desktop for GNU/Linux".

John.

Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by Misch · 2004-03-09 10:37 · Score: 1, Funny

Oooh... thanks for the notice. *goes to download it*

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Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 10:38 · Score: 1

And I'm sure your wonderful program has millions of users too, right?
Well, me. And it is one of the most active projects on Sourceforge. So maybe not millions of users but still quite a lot. Everybody who is whinging about spam should use it.
Oh, and I use KDE as well.
Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by TheTomcat · 2004-03-09 10:44 · Score: 1

Please submit a story when it support IMAPS.
(-:

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Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by RoLi · 2004-03-09 10:53 · Score: 3, Interesting

For Linux, a KDE point release is the equivalent to a Windows-service pack. And those get stories on slashdot, too.
Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by cubic6 · 2004-03-09 13:46 · Score: 1

...break KDE, cutting off the right side of the K menu.
My fresh install of 3.2.0 is doing that, and it bugged the hell out of me... thanks for the info!

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Re:Now /. covers maintenance releases? by cgranade · 2004-03-09 21:32 · Score: 1

Well, seeing as how I use POPFile on a daily basis, and how it is a wonderful tool, I think you should submit a story.

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Debian has it already by Gandalfar · 2004-03-09 10:27 · Score: 5, Informative

And most of it is already in unstable branch. Great work KDE and Debian KDE team! :)

Re:Debian has it already by dzym · 2004-03-09 10:32 · Score: 2, Funny

go debian kde team!
you guy(s) rock!
Re:Debian has it already by Joe+Tie. · 2004-03-09 10:50 · Score: 1

I thought that was pretty neat. On seeing the story I imediatly thought "Wonder when this will make it into Debian", then checked Konqueror's about. Turns out I'd allready upgraded to it without noticing.

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Re:Debian has it already by debian4life · 2004-03-09 11:10 · Score: 1

That is probably only because Debian just put 3.2 into Unstable Saturday after it being out for a month to the rest of the distro world. They probably just went ahead got the advanced copy of 3.2.1 since it was so near completion so they could be the first distro to have it.

In related news, Hell finally froze over.
Re:Debian has it already by calc · 2004-03-09 12:17 · Score: 4, Interesting

Yes, I was waiting to upload KDE until 3.2.1 came out. The reason KDE 3.2.0 was never uploaded to sid was that it was far too buggy in important areas such as kmail eating email. Even with KDE 3.2.1 several major bugs have already been found since its release to packagers last week. But users who always complain that KDE in Debian is outdated will have their shiny full of bugs release.
Re:Debian has it already by debian4life · 2004-03-09 12:30 · Score: 1

That is good enough for me. I kid because I love. That is why I use Debian.
Re:Debian has it already by Jagasian · 2004-03-09 14:47 · Score: 1

Will KDE 3.2.x make it into Sarge? I am thinking about converting to Debian, from Fedora, this summer, and if KDE 3.2 makes it into Sarge I will definitely convert!
Re:Debian has it already by Jagasian · 2004-03-10 09:31 · Score: 1

I want a stable system, yet have a few cut-off restrictions where I need certain things to be at least version X... having a later version is nice, but not a necessity - as stability is a necessity.

Well then! by Loki_1929 · 2004-03-09 10:27 · Score: 3, Funny

You know, I always thought KDE was a bloated, ugly, slow GUI, but now that it's available in Icelandic; well I guess it's alright!

(relax, it's called a joke)

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Re:Well then! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:34 · Score: 4, Funny

Yeah, you can install in on a BSD. That way you could use a dead OS with a dead language.

Latin Serbian!?!?! by LenE · 2004-03-09 10:31 · Score: 3, Insightful

That should read Croatian. Serbian is Cyrillic. Unless, Croatian is already a supported language, then this would be more like a redneck dialect.

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Re:Latin Serbian!?!?! by 198348726583297634 · 2004-03-09 11:08 · Score: 2, Interesting

Related to a serb by marriage...the language indeed is written using cyrillic letters, but is also commonly written using the roman alphabet. I see a lot of hand-written things around my sister's house that use my native alphabet but that I can't read--and I can read russian. the cyrillic alphabet the serbs use indeed has a few characters different from the russian alphabet.

probably too much useless info, though...
Re:Latin Serbian!?!?! by vvico · 2004-03-09 11:41 · Score: 1

Serbian and Croatian languages are similar. Until a couple of years ago, these languages were one, "serbocroatian" language. But, there are many annoying differences. For example, month names in Serbian are similar to English (Januar, Februar, etc.), but in Croatian months have totaly different names.

Serbian language has two "scripts", or as we call them, alphabets. Primary is the cyrillic alphabet and secondary, latin alphabet. I would like to see KDE in both of these alphabets, but, latin is better then nothin' :)
Re:Latin Serbian!?!?! by cozziewozzie · 2004-03-09 21:54 · Score: 1

This is very wrong. Serbian language uses both Cyrillic and the Latin alphabets. In fact, many daily newspapers appear in both Cyrillic and Latin editions. Croatian is also a supported language, and they organise translation marathons regularly.

Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian are considered separate languages for many reasons, including political ones. You are probably confused by the fact that all three were grouped together during Yugoslavia and called 'Serbo-Croatian' (in Serbia) and 'Croato-Serbian' (in Croatia). In fact, the speakers of either language can understand each others very easily, despite the differences in pronunciation, grammar and vocabulary. Originally, though, those languages had separate development through history.

The reason why Standard Croatian and Standard Serbian are so similar has a lot to do with the Illiryan pan-slavic movement during early 20th century and the push to bring the languages closer together for easier communication, led by the leading authors of the time, as well as politicians. The many Croatian and Serbian dialects, on the other hand, are comprehensible only to Croats and Serbs, respectively. A good parallel elsewhere in the world would be the Scandinavian languages (Swedish, Danish and Norwegian) or Czech and Slovak. They are still sufficiently distinct to cause serious annoyance for users who are forced to use a language which is only similar to their own.
Re:Latin Serbian!?!?! by cozziewozzie · 2004-03-09 21:59 · Score: 1

I am not sure if there is a Cyrillic version of Serbian out there, but I would assume that Latin would be preferred for a high-tech application such as computers - especially for a nation which uses both.

If there were two, however, it would be smarter to first make the Cyrillic translations, and then write a script to generate Latin version of them. The opposite doesn't work, because some Slavic sounds are represented by more then one Latin character (lj and nj spring to mind) so there is some ambiguity. Cyrillic alphabet has exactly one character per audible sound and such a script would be trivial.
Re:Latin Serbian!?!?! by emir · 2004-03-10 01:22 · Score: 3, Interesting

Nah you are the one that is wrong :)

It is latin serbian. Once long time ago (before 1991) there was a language called Serbo-Croatian. It was one of three official languages (beside slovenian and macedonian) in Yugoslavia. When Yugoslavia vanished in 1991 so did the serbo-croatian. In Croatian it is croatian, in Serbia it is serbian, in Bosnia it is bosnian. It could be argued that all these languages are still one same language but as people prefer to have "seperate" languages they should be allowed to do so. Differences are not that great but generally differences are following: prefered way of writing:

Bosnia: latin
Croatia: latin
Serbia: cyrillic

(note that you can write serbian in latin if you want and croatian and bosnian in cyrillic if you want)

amount of foreign words (notably of turkish origin) in serbia and bosnia are much greater than in croatia. thus neighbour would be spellt as.
Bosnia:komsija
Croatia: susjed
Serbia: komsija

susjed is proper word of south slavic origin. (note that there are people in serbia that say susjed, but majority use komsija. and vice versa for croatia)

other big difference is that people in croatia and bosnia use so called "ijekavski" dialect while people in serbia use "ekavski" dialect. Difference is that some 1000-2000 words in serbia are spellt and pronounced with only e while in croatia and bosnia they are spellt with ije. Kinda like color and colour in american and brittish english. Example:

English: flower | milk
Bosnia: cvijet | mlijeko
Croatia: cvijet | mlijeko
Serbia: cvet | mleko
(note there is even third dialect that is spoken in some part of croatia which is called "ikavski". where cvijet would be pronounced and spellt as "cvit" and milk as "mliko")

Third difference is heavy use of h in bosnia.

English: rotten | coffe
Bosnian: truhlo | kahva
Croatian: trulo | kava
Serbian: trulo | kafa

There are other small differences but they are too small to be mentioned here. Thus it should be called latin Serbian, if you use all words and spellings that people in serbia usually use but spell it with latin.....

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Fixed?! by contrasutra · 2004-03-09 10:31 · Score: 4, Funny

KHTML: fix animated GIFs not looping (#72953)

Oh c'mon, that was my FAVORITE bug! Who was the dork who filed this bug report? ;-)

KMix: Properly save volumes on exit so volumes are correctly restored on next login.

Wow, that seems like a pretty big bug. I wonder how people lived with their volume not staying the same.

Re:Fixed?! by GweeDo · 2004-03-09 10:40 · Score: 1

Personally I just had alsacntl set it for me once and called it good.

But if you liked changing you volume settings via the kpanel applet a lot that would be annoying.

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Re:Fixed?! by imr · 2004-03-09 10:46 · Score: 1

KHTML: fix animated GIFs not looping (#72953)
Oh c'mon, that was my FAVORITE bug! Who was the dork who filed this bug report? ;-)
Damn! I have been specifically unable them for months and it didnt work!!??
Wow, that seems like a pretty big bug. I wonder how people lived with their volume not staying the same.
Well, they thought it was an alsa bug, so they tried to learn how to use alsa, then they tried to put all those obscure options in obscure alsa proc entries they found on "users" forums, then they got mad.
Re:Fixed?! by chmouel · 2004-03-09 11:19 · Score: 1

Most distributions have scripts that save the states on boot/reboot (but doen't fix the problem on multi-users environement)
Re:Fixed?! by KingJoshi · 2004-03-09 11:31 · Score: 4, Funny

KMix: Properly save volumes on exit so volumes are correctly restored on next login.
Wow, that seems like a pretty big bug. I wonder how people lived with their volume not staying the same.
Can you imagine, logged into KDE on your laptop in a lab or library somewhere in the back, taking a break, watching some porn with the volume off. So, next day, you think the volume is still off and when you start the video, the whole room hears some girl screaming, "Yeah, fuck me harder!" again and again.
And you think this isn't an important bug to fix? :)

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Re:Fixed?! by Patik · 2004-03-09 12:15 · Score: 1

That's why you use headphones.
Re:Fixed?! by sn0wman3030 · 2004-03-09 12:15 · Score: 1

Wow, that seems like a pretty big bug. I wonder how people lived with their volume not staying the same.>

Yeah, that was seriously annoying as all hell. I had to reset all my settings in alsa evertime i logged in. Whatever, GNOME doesn't have that type of problem.

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Re:Fixed?! by foonf · 2004-03-09 13:44 · Score: 2, Interesting

KMix: Properly save volumes on exit so volumes are correctly restored on next login.

Wow, that seems like a pretty big bug. I wonder how people lived with their volume not staying the same.

Standard behavior for most distributions is to save/restore sound settings at system halt/startup in the init scripts. So it is not exactly normal for the desktop or any other program to handle this itself, and I would guess that only a small minority of KDE users actually require KMix to work in this way. Which is probably why nobody caught the bug in the first place. Personally I use KDE and don't even have the mixer app installed.

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Re:Fixed?! by Lord+Ender · 2004-03-09 16:13 · Score: 1

Actually, it resets the volume to 0 every time you start KDE. A pretty shitty bug, if you ask me.

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Re:Fixed?! by Just+Some+Guy · 2004-03-10 03:01 · Score: 1

So, you're still using an old soundcard, huh? Well, I recently bought an SB Live! and was a little surprised to find that KMix suddenly had, like 83 volume sliders for MIDI 1-23, rear-left-bottom, MIC 7, etc, and another 18 or so for tone, balance, 3d-ness, reverb, and a bunch of other effects.
KMix forgetting my volume settings was incredibly annoying. Whenever I'd log in, sound would come from the subwoofer and right super-tweeter, but the left channel was out altogether. Whenever I brought the left speaker and right midrange online, then I had to figure which of the scrolled-off-the-screen controls was making it sound like I was in a perfectly reflective gymnasium when I was listening to Henry Rollins spoken-word stuff.
You BET I want KMix to remember my settings. It took me about 5 minutes to convince myself that I hadn't blown a sound card each and every time I rebooted ("Ooh, shiny! 2.6.0-pre8 is out now, better upgrade!").

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Re:Fixed?! by Fenris+Ulf · 2004-03-10 09:32 · Score: 1

Oh c'mon, that was my FAVORITE bug! Who was the dork who filed this bug report? ;-)
Well, you can still configure konqueror to prevent animated gifs from looping if you prefer it that way.
Or are you just kidding? :-)
Re:Fixed?! by toddestan · 2004-03-10 16:39 · Score: 1

I recently installed Mandrake 9.2, with KDE 3.1.something, and that was like one of the first things I noticed. My solution so far to been to just leave KMix open, and when I boot into KDE I just set the volume back up. And I thought it was just me!

KDE 3.2 well worth the upgrade! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:32 · Score: 3, Interesting

I am running KDE 3.2 right now on my Gentoo Linux box. A really good upgrade from KDE 3.1. Its like switching from Jaguar to Panther in Mac terms, or Windows 95 to 98 in Windows terms. It looks mostly like KDE 3.1, but its so much faster and the GUI has been cleaned up a bit (no more bloated interfaces, but still with all the features, what do you gnomers say now?)

Fluxbox fans will like that you can now configure kde to switch virtual desktops in kde by using the scroll wheel, and the new Plastik theme looks good. I use it for my Window Border, but I still like the kermick style better. So if you are stuck using KDE 3.1 or less, then get your distro to upgrade. I will probably be emerging this release tomorrow.

Re:KDE 3.2 well worth the upgrade! by trtmrt · 2004-03-09 10:47 · Score: 2, Informative

I use kde and really like it but the speed issue is not fixed yet. I was hoping to see this great speedup in 3.2 but to be honest for me it runs the same as 3.1. Startup on login takes the same time. There is some noticable improvement in startup times for some applications but nothing spectacular. Everything else though is great. The menus are cleaned up and there are many small usability improvements.
Re:KDE 3.2 well worth the upgrade! by BrookHarty · 2004-03-09 11:10 · Score: 1

Here I am trying to compiled 3.2, and it stopped, I was using -j2 makeopts, and there was a race condition. Now I have to sync, and recompile for 3.2.1. (This is on Sparc too)
Re:KDE 3.2 well worth the upgrade! by trtmrt · 2004-03-09 11:56 · Score: 1

I don't think the speed is a distribution issue. I compared speeds of KDE 3.1 and 3.2 on the *same* SuSE 8.2 installation I run at home. I am also comparing it to the dual boot windows I have which is much faster. I don't mind the speed of KDE since it offers so much other stuff but it would be nice if it was faster.
Re:KDE 3.2 well worth the upgrade! by RedBear · 2004-03-09 20:26 · Score: 1

I am running KDE 3.2 right now on my [expletive deleted] Linux box. A really good upgrade from KDE 3.1. Its like switching from Jaguar to Panther in Mac terms, or Windows 95 to 98 in Windows terms. It looks mostly like KDE 3.1, but its so much faster and the GUI has been cleaned up a bit

One of these is not like the other...

KDE 3.1 to KDE 3.2
Jaguar to Panther
Windows 95 to Windows 98--Hnuhh??

Don't you mean "it's like switching from Windows 98 to Windows 95?" Heh.

Speaking of which by MAXOMENOS · 2004-03-09 10:34 · Score: 1

Where is there a list of all the languages KDE supports?

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Re:Speaking of which by chowells · 2004-03-09 10:37 · Score: 4, Informative

i18n.kde.org

Re:But wait! by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:35 · Score: 4, Interesting

Yes, there is a project for Esperanto. It is only 40% complete though, so go and help!

I noticed this in the changelog by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:35 · Score: 1, Funny

KNewsTicker: Removed BSDtoday from list, fixed addresses of SecurityFocus and Freshports

It seems the KDE team is getting prepared for *BSD's impending demise.

Re:I noticed this in the changelog by BSDKaffee · 2004-03-09 12:01 · Score: 1

yes it would really seem that way considering Freshports is still on the list you just posted

Re:Now I just need... by Chalybeous · 2004-03-09 10:36 · Score: 2, Funny

I think his karma just ran over my dogma ;-)

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Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by nacturation · 2004-03-09 10:37 · Score: 1

Yeah, but what about Silbo Gomero? Will KDE ever whistle at me from 2 miles away that I have new mail?

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Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by shystershep · 2004-03-09 10:40 · Score: 5, Funny

You have apparently not heard of the KDE Klingon Translation Team. According to them, the K in KDE actually stands for Klingon.

Gee, I wish I had that much time on my hands.

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Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by MavEtJu · 2004-03-09 10:41 · Score: 3, Interesting

announced the immediate availability of

What is the difference between the "availablility" and the "immediate availability" of a product?

Is it like the "closing down sale" and the "genuine closing down sale"? Or like the "additional 20% discount on top of our normal 30% discount"?

If it's available, it's immediatly available. If it is not immediatly available, it's not available.

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Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by ElGuapoGolf · 2004-03-09 10:54 · Score: 2

Availability can be taken to mean either immediate or pending availability. For example, Unreal Tournament 2004 will be available in stores March 15th. KDE 3.2.1 is available immediately from your preferred mirror.
Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · 2004-03-09 14:00 · Score: 1

Availability can be taken to mean either immediate or pending availability. For example, Unreal Tournament 2004 will be available in stores March 15th

Then ureal tournament 2004 is not available. If today were march 15th, then it would be available. But today isn't march 15th, its march 9th, so it is not availble. Something is either available or it isn't.
Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by Wolfier · 2004-03-09 15:52 · Score: 1

Man: Will you be available tomorrow evening?

Woman: Sorry, if today were tomorrow, then I would be availble, but today is not tomorrow, so I'm not available.

Man: Fuck that. Speak English.
Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · 2004-03-09 16:22 · Score: 1

Notice how he said "Availability can be taken to mean either immediate or pending availability" in response to 'What is the difference between the "availablility" and the "immediate availability" of a product?'? 'will be available' is totally irrelevant.

Ignorant, nitpicking asswipe.
Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · 2004-03-09 16:26 · Score: 1

'will be available' is not what is being talked about. That has nothing to do with the difference between 'immediately available' and 'available'.

Man: Are you immediately available or available?

Woman: Huh?
Re:Vapourware and the impact on advertisement by imbaczek · 2004-03-10 09:33 · Score: 1

The KDE team is unavailable for comment.

ugh...more compiling! by GirTheRobot · 2004-03-09 10:43 · Score: 3, Funny

I just finished updating my Gentoo box to the current release....now another 2 days of compiling!!! oh well, i love watching the text scroll by anyway...

Re:ugh...more compiling! by Micah · 2004-03-09 11:10 · Score: 1

For the record, it takes my Gentoo box about 18 hours to compile it. I have a dual P3-850.

But, you can start mourning for my 64kbps cable modem (I'm in Ecuador).
Re:ugh...more compiling! by ChazeFroy · 2004-03-09 11:57 · Score: 1

distcc
Re:ugh...more compiling! by SQLz · 2004-03-09 12:21 · Score: 1

You know Linux is a multi-tasking OS right? You CAN still use the machine to make idiot Slashdot posts when its compiling. Just thought you should know.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 10:43 · Score: 4, Interesting

I think Gnome is better. But even better than Gnome is MacOS X.

What is it with OS/X?

I used Windows for a long time, but then switched to Linux (Mandrake with KDE). I had no major problems whatsoever regarding usability - everything worked more or less like in Windows, but there were more nice things you could tweak and adjust. That's why I love KDE.

Now (for the first time, I admit) I had to use a Mac, with OS/X. I had a hard time. Everything was different - hell, there wasn't even a freaking right mouse button!

I didn't have to spend much time with it, and maybe, if you grow up with a Mac, it's great, but for someone used to Windows or KDE, it's a nightmare.

Don't mod me Flamebait, I am dead serious. What is it with Mac OS/X?

Re: Fixed? I need auto-save each 10 minutes by Erik_ · 2004-03-09 10:44 · Score: 1

Can KMix also auto-save the volume settings every 10 minutes ? and we want the saved file to be in a xml compatible file, in case I want to open it in OpenOfficeMix ;-)

KDE (fake) Changelog by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:45 · Score: 4, Funny

1) Now free of SCO-patented /* Komment Tags */

2) For additional speed, Kuickshow now opens images you thought you wanted to preview.

3) Konqueror now has strings-searchable "Internet Explorer coders are weenies" easter egg.

4) KDevelop now Kompiles with the option to make klean instead of clean.

5) Renamed the "Local Area Network Manager" to KLAN

6) GUI Konstruct-Icons now replaced by Dinobots

Re:KDE (fake) Changelog by IntergalacticWalrus · 2004-03-09 13:14 · Score: 1

6) GUI Konstruct-Icons now replaced by Dinobots

Finally, I was really looking forward to that one.

Isthay issespay emay offay by ColonelPanic · 2004-03-09 10:46 · Score: 4, Funny

Erewhay isay Igpay Atinlay?

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Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by kfg · 2004-03-09 10:47 · Score: 1

Quite the contrary, I was quite aware of the translation team and the obvious "K" joke involved.

In fact, it was my awareness of the the team that lead me to use the word "silly," as I took it from the official KDE development team's response to the project.

Not that I feel there's no room in the world for such silliness, mind you. More power to them if that's what makes them happy.

KFG

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by ImTwoSlick · 2004-03-09 10:48 · Score: 3, Funny

They'll never get into the schools though, until it supports Elvish."

That's OK. I can write a patch that changes all system text to "Fa La La Lally" for them.

Immdediate availability by dj245 · 2004-03-09 10:48 · Score: 1

"The KDE project today announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.2.1"

Glad to see immediate availability. I really hate those fake delayed availabilities and paper launches those other software companies put out. Now I've gotta go watch Matrix: Reloaded while I contemplate whether or not the next XP release is worth pirating.

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Insensitive clod (Re:Low Saxon) by mi · 2004-03-09 10:48 · Score: 4, Insightful

Tajikistan is a populous -- if poor at the moment -- nation.

Hopefully, the horrible legacy of the USSR will diminish with years and the country will prosper. If someone from there found the time and translated parts of KDE to Tajik -- they should be applauded, rather than mocked.

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Re:Insensitive clod (Re:Low Saxon) by tanguyr · 2004-03-09 11:01 · Score: 1

no, they should all be mocked.
mock mock mock.
aaaaaaaaaaaah, better.

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Compile time! by athorshak · 2004-03-09 10:54 · Score: 1

I guess I know what my Gentoo box is going to be doing for the next two weeks. ;)

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by joshsnow · 2004-03-09 10:55 · Score: 1

Don't mod me Flamebait, I am dead serious. What is it with Mac OS/X?
It's, well....better than anything else...

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 10:55 · Score: 1

Oh well, I said I just used it once.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 10:58 · Score: 1

OK - but what about the right mouse button? How do you get context menus? I wasn't able to.

And I know for sure that everything is entirely possible with OS X.

But everybody was touting how easy it is to use compared to Linux, so I was very disappointed having to use it for the first time.

As a previous Windows user, KDE was much more intuitive.

Re:New languages by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 10:59 · Score: 2, Funny

Short Saxons perhaps?

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by 91degrees · 2004-03-09 11:00 · Score: 5, Funny

But how are they handling error messages? Are they doing a literal translation, or will it be more along the lines of "This application has shamed itself with a segmentation fault!"?

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by Weird_Hock · 2004-03-09 11:04 · Score: 1

Hold the control key down and click, or do as i did. Get a USB wheel mouse. Works like a champ!

Finally ... by JoMre · 2004-03-09 11:07 · Score: 1

they fixed the clock config dialog :-)

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 11:08 · Score: 1

Of course, after two years, it is easy to use any OS. Did you use Windows before using OS X for the first time? And you weren't looking for the context menu? Found the menu at the top a bit strange? The OK and Cancel was the wrong way round as well if I remember correctly (could have been GNOME though).

OS X might be great if you spend time with it. It might also be great if you have never used a computer before. But I think that it is much easier to switch from Windows to KDE than to OS X.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 11:10 · Score: 1

Ah! Good to know for next time I'm in front of an iMac of a friend with a one button mouse. (No point really buying a mouse just to use a friend's computer!)

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by gypsyx · 2004-03-09 11:12 · Score: 1

what about the right mouse button

Oh please! The single mouse button question comes up in every Mac flame. PC people just don't understand... The Macintosh GUIs have been advanced enough to not need two mouse buttons since 1984. You can use multi-button mice and mice with scroll wheels on the Macintosh if you so desire. Give it a rest already!

Simplicity is simply one of the many things that makes the Mac beautiful. I personally believe that is why Macs come with a one-button mouse by default.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by narfbot · 2004-03-09 11:13 · Score: 1

What is it with Mac OS/X?
I agree in questioning. And this is coming from someone who learned the "high res GUI" first on Mac OS. At the time I got my first Mac, Windows was also available (well was out the same time the first Mac model anyways), but I just happened to get a Mac first. I was also already experienced in the CLI.

I didn't find the GUI anything revolutionary. But I did and still do accept the abilities a high resolution GUI does give and it was nice when you needed that sort of thing. I'm sure windows worked the same way, it's just the Mac did it differently.

Then come a few years later, I got windows. No big deal, just a PC GUI, which it was perfectly capable of. Then many years later I try linux. I try the Linux gui's they're OK. The linux CLI is great. But when I want to use a high res mode, I use TWM, because I find that the best suited for my tastes. Now when I use Mac OS, and now Mac OS X, I find it rather cumbersome to use, this coming from someone who learned first on this OS! When I see people say that Mac OS X is the best, I cringe. Sure you may like Mac OS X, but there is no best UI.

Since I use TWM, I do like it alot and it works for me, but I'd rather not advocate it because people may not like it. In fact, when people see my linux machine, they think linux IS TWM. Hopefully I would point out there is KDE, and GNOME, so they don't think linux is so archaic (heh-heh). Now in light of the recent KDE release, 3.2, and now 3.2.1, I find KDE a very usuable UI. I'm sure many people like it more than Mac OS X, so there is certainly no best UI.

bug flood by Marco+Krohn · 2004-03-09 11:17 · Score: 5, Informative

And with this new release a new flood of bugs coming in

KDE weekly bug report summary

Please double check when reporting a bug that it really isn't a duplicate. Also be sure to send in backtraces only if you have compiled with debug information. Every bad bug report just costs the developers valueable time which is badly needed for all the features coming with 3.3:

KDE 3.3 features
KDEPIM 3.3 features

If you want to help with an even better 3.3 your help in the KDE Quality team is welcome!

KDE, rock on :-)

Re:bug flood by pointwood · 2004-03-09 21:07 · Score: 1

"Also be sure to send in backtraces only if you have compiled with debug information."

Then maybe it should only be possible to send backtraces if it was compiled with debug information?
Re:bug flood by kundor · 2004-03-10 12:12 · Score: 1

Restricting what users can do based on what developers think would be convenient is a Microsoft practice, not a linux one.
besides, the KDE developers don't make gdb. ;-)
Re:bug flood by pointwood · 2004-03-10 19:20 · Score: 1

I'm not a KDE developer, it just sounded like an obvious thing to do :)

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by joshsnow · 2004-03-09 11:19 · Score: 1

OK - but what about the right mouse button? How do you get context menus? I wasn't able to.
Control key and click (I think) kinda like the windows key - or rather the windows key is like the Macs control/apple key.
I don't actually have/use macs - I just drool over OS X whenever I'm in a computer hardware shop. It seems so much more powerful, intuitive and easier to use than windows or linux. The GUI is everything that KDE or Gnome ought, by now, to have become - revolutionary rather than evolutionary. Plus there's always the command line if you can dig it up!
Take an application like ical. A run of the mill calendar tool. Yet on OS X it just looks and feels great ans is super easy to use to boot. If I could afford a mac, I'd own one.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by gold23 · 2004-03-09 11:19 · Score: 1

Okay, I'll bite. What does it mean that the GUI is advanced enough not to need 2 mouse buttons?

How is it simpler to need two hands to bring up a context menu?

Please note that I am not religious regarding OS choice -- I use many OSes in the course of my work and play, but when the Mac was my daily workhorse, I could not get by without my 5 button trackball.

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Re:No right mouse button! by SmilingBoy · 2004-03-09 11:20 · Score: 1

You were unable to PLUG IN A GENERIC STANDARD TWO-BUTTON MOUSE AVAILABLE FOR, AT MOST, $7 AT THE LOCAL RADIO SHACK.

Correct, because it was in the late evening at a friend's place in Madrid who only had an iMac.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by minus_273 · 2004-03-09 11:21 · Score: 4, Informative

Having switched from linux over the summer i can say these are a small sample of things the things that make it great:
1. its a Unix clone.. comes with all the strengths
2. It has a very well designed, clean and consistent UI
3. Its so intuitive that your ganma can use it (try it..)
4. It allows you to run MS office, Photoshop , dreamweaver and tons of other commercial apps alongside your Unix apps like apache, smb, namp etc.
5. You can run X windows apps but turn it off when your dont need it and can run pretty much any (non hardware dependent)app linux can.
6. OSX boxes can emulate i386 very fast the reverse does not exist yet
7. All development tools are free (gcc) and very easy to use GUIs(Xcode)
8. The development API (cocoa) is open and cross platform (GNUstep, openstep)
9. Very good 3rd party hardware support.
10. Fantastic applications like ilife apps, itunes etc that make windows users gawk.

For an example of the last point, have granma install a digital camera and import pics on a PC (drivers, reboot, 3rd party apps etc) then do it on a mac (plug it in) or granma rip a cd, burn a cd burn picture cds etc. (get the point)

in the end my mac is rock solid, fast and i dont have to think about anything other than the task at hand when i am using it (saves lots of time)

in the end, calling it "the best of both worlds" (linux+win) is an understatement but close to what it is.

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Re:Most advanced and powerful? by mst76 · 2004-03-09 11:27 · Score: 5, Informative

In a recent interview, Jef Raskin remarked that he thinks the one-button designe of the original Mac was a mistake.

As for the one-button mouse, I'd observed at Xerox Parc which had a 3-button mouse, that people were very confused as to its use and when I was designing the software for the Macintosh, in designing the interface, I figured that if there was only one button, there would never be any question on what you have to press the number of ways of using a one-button mouse. I think this was probably a mistake, in fact there is an appendix in my book which discusses why I think this was a mistake and what I think I should have done. One of the reasons I made the mistake is that there is a certain school of industrial design dating back to the Bauhaus which says that designs have to be simple, uncluttered, and clean. In particular, don't put writing on it except for brand names or logos. If we had had a multiple-button mouse with two keys, labeled something like "select" and "activate," it would have been much easier to use, but the idea of putting writing on keys did not occur to anybody, including me. So if I was designing one today, it would have two buttons and they would be labeled.

Re:No right mouse button! by TwinkieStix · 2004-03-09 11:28 · Score: 1

Or maybe that opt-click or ctrl-click (or whatever it is) to too much trouble. Right, I am a PC/Linux user, but still I know this.

More to the point, the grandparent noted that he came from windows to Linux. Most distributions ship with a theme more similar to the windows theme, so it makes sense that that transition was easier.

OMG - - consiracy!! by msimm · 2004-03-09 11:36 · Score: 1

KDE fanboi's have obviously infiltrated some of the higher ranks of Slashdot editors *probably the same one's who have been double posting stories*.

We HAVE TO STOP THEM!

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Re:OMG - - consiracy!! by Fenris+Ulf · 2004-03-10 09:08 · Score: 1

This board has been hijacked by trolls!

Are you a bad enough dude to save it?

Re:KDE vs. GNOME in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 11:40 · Score: 1, Interesting

A big giant "K" button

The K button is the same size as all the other buttons. If you think it is a different size to others, then you have misinterpreted a screenshot of somebody who has icon-zooming switched on, and given away the fact that you haven't used KDE.

with approximatly 2,000 groups

That's not the truth. A default install has about a dozen groups, separated into different categories like "Games" and "KOffice".

Stop trolling.

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 11:42 · Score: 2, Funny

[23:37] Graham: :wtf: One of KDE's supported languages is "Low Saxon"
[23:37] Jon: LOL
[23:37] Graham: what next? Klingon?
[23:37] Jon: "today is a good day to compile the kernel"
[23:38] Graham: "oops, I just chopped the keyboard in two with this ceremonial deathblade"
[23:38] Jon: lol
[23:41] Graham: OH SHOOT ME http://www.unixcode.org/kde-i18n-klingon/
[23:41] Jon: HAHAHAHA

Re:Noo! by gilesjuk · 2004-03-09 11:45 · Score: 1

Tell me what it's like in a months time :)

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by chill · 2004-03-09 11:48 · Score: 2, Insightful

OS/X suffers from the same fatal flaw as WinXP -- it is a lot easier to learn if you have no prior experience. It is really good for people with no computer skills.

However, if you've been using computers for a while and are familiar with something else, both seem like a royal pain and are confusing because everything isn't where it was.

But, again, for people with no prior computing experience it wins hands down.

-Charles

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Overly Critical Guy is a troll by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 11:50 · Score: 1, Interesting

There is simply no good reason to have your web browser be your filesystem browser. One program is designed to retrieve graphical content via an HTTP protocol and display it, while the other is designed to display folders and manipulate files through moving, copying, and so forth.

Please don't talk about something you know nothing about. A web browser isn't designed to retrieve "graphical content". A file manager has many of the same characteristics as a web browser, especially when you consider WebDAV and the like.

try telling an application menu to remain at the top like MacOS--then shoot the cursor up and click--there is a space of a pixel up there that doesn't register as a click, defeating the whole purpose, because Mac users are used to slamming the mouse up and hitting a menu which is faster than pinpointing a menu attached to a floating window

The term you are looking for is Fitt's Law: since the edges of the screen are essentially infinite in depth, items placed on the edges are much larger and therefore easier to click.

I've just switched the feature you are talking about on: the bug you describe does not exist in 3.2. This just lends more credibility to the theory that you haven't used KDE .

Motivate KDE developers! by Marco+Krohn · 2004-03-09 11:51 · Score: 5, Informative

Except helping in KDE Quality Team or supporting it in various other ways there is a simple thing you can do within a couple of minuts which really help: write an email!

Start one of the many good KDE applications, go to the "help menu" and click on the "about box"->"authors". Pick one or two of them and write them a short email telling them how much you like their application and that you really appreciate what they are doing for us, the open source community.

It's easy and makes them very happy to hear from satisfied users--normally they just hear about it when something is wrong and sending some nice words really keeps them motivated. Thanks.

Re:there goeas another weekend... by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 12:04 · Score: 1, Insightful

What, non-Gentoo compilers are faster now? Your version of GCC is different than others?

And I don't understand peoples' problems with Gentoo. It's not as if you have to sit in front of your computer as things compile...

Re:Most advanced and powerful? -1, Biased. by Enahs · 2004-03-09 12:10 · Score: 3, Funny

GNOME is for furries.

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uhh by Anonymous Coward · 2004-03-09 12:11 · Score: 1

the latest generation of the most advanced and powerful free desktop for GNU/Linux and other UNIXes.

So now Slashdot editors are trolling?

Re:No right mouse button! by sneakers563 · 2004-03-09 12:22 · Score: 5, Insightful

Granted, it says great things about Apple that the most anyone can come up with is the lack of a 2nd mouse button. However, given that EVERYONE IN THE FREAKING UNIVERSE thinks that multiple mouse buttons are more usable, and has thought that way for, oh, the last 15 years or so, why doesn't Apple just swallow their pride and provide a mouse with a 2nd (or 3rd, this *is* UNIX after all) button? Why should someone have to spend $7 for a new mouse at Radio Shack when Apple could just include one from the get go? Apple users are like Porsche owners. It's only when the new model comes out that they can admit the glaring flaws in the old. For years Mac users talked about how stable the OS was. Then when OSX came out everyone was saying, "Finally, it doesn't crash anymore. OS9 had real stability problems." Admit it, the day Apple includes a 2 button mouse everyone will be talking about how the old mouse was dated and how Apple's pushed the Mac to new levels of productivity.

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by taniwha · 2004-03-09 12:23 · Score: 2, Funny

I think they were just being culturaly sensitive ... there is of course NO room in the Klingon world for sillyness ....

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by void+warranty() · 2004-03-09 12:31 · Score: 5, Funny

They'll probably kill the application's parent and siblings too.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by grumpygrodyguy · 2004-03-09 12:44 · Score: 1

But, again, for people with no prior computing experience it wins hands down.

Which is also why for our parents, friends, and children Linux still sucks.

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Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by kfg · 2004-03-09 12:45 · Score: 1

Ah, yes. Point taken. :)

KFG

Re:Most advanced and powerful? -1, Biased. by Fancia · 2004-03-09 12:47 · Score: 2, Interesting

Funny, I'm a furry and I use KDE. ;b

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Re:Most advanced and powerful? by kryocore · 2004-03-09 12:52 · Score: 2, Funny

hell, there wasn't even a freaking right mouse button!

Dang, I've been considering OS X for a while, but now my dreams are over...

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by AvantLegion · 2004-03-09 13:09 · Score: 1

You have not truly experienced a KDE SIGFAULT until you read it in the original Klingon.

Re:New languages by aastanna · 2004-03-09 13:47 · Score: 1

No no no, Saxons with deep voices.

XFCE 4.0.4 released by vzzzbx · 2004-03-09 13:57 · Score: 1

Or grab XFCE 4.0.4 if you can live without the bloat.

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · 2004-03-09 14:03 · Score: 2, Funny

The Macintosh GUIs have been advanced enough to not need two mouse buttons since 1984

You have a funny definition of the word 'advanced'. I mean, windows 3.1 was 'advanced' enough not to need a right mouse button in 1993...

That's strange... by raindown · 2004-03-09 14:05 · Score: 1

I swear that I just downloaded KDE 3.2.1 packages into Debian Unstable on Sunday. Maybe they were just beta? Either way, KDE 3.2 is pretty awesome. I am growing anxious for Gnome 2.6 as well. The 2.5.5 release wasn't half bad.

Re:That's strange... by raindown · 2004-03-09 14:08 · Score: 1

I knew as soon as I posted this that I would read the comment where my previous post was mentioned. Oops!

For you Debian users by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · 2004-03-09 14:15 · Score: 2, Informative

This worked for me.

apt-get -t unstable install kdebase

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KMAIL Still Lacks Filtering on IMAP Folders by tyrione · 2004-03-09 14:17 · Score: 1

This one feature needs to be added before the much anticipated HTML Mode.

Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by aled · 2004-03-09 14:31 · Score: 1

At least not if you like to keep your head.

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Re:Excellent - My Bug is Fixed by aleonard · 2004-03-09 15:19 · Score: 1

Oh, awesome, I thought it was just my high-impact setup (if there's anything in KDE that can be transparent, I've got it on :P) that was causing those problems with my, drum roll, Fedora system. :D That makes this "maintenance release" a required download. Thanks, KDE team. :)

To whomever modded parent down - Boo!

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Re:Most advanced and powerful? by numpins · 2004-03-09 15:33 · Score: 1

The top menu bar has a bunch of items in it and one of them is labeled "Help." Inside there, you'll find tutorials for people who are: new to computers, Windows users, or OS 9 users.

(This is in Panther.) Mouse differences, key Windows application equivalents, and different paradigms are described.

You may not know everything about the Mac so ask your buddy and use their knowledge to get a feel for it. Maybe they could have told you about the Finder and the Help system it has.

Re:Those who have modded me down are censoring by Urine1diot · 2004-03-09 16:22 · Score: 1

No, a web browser and a file manager have nothing to do with each other. Zero, nada. One retrieves visual content via the HTTP protocol, the other scans your filesystem and displays folders and files.

So let's see, according you a browser's only function is to retrieve visual content via the HTTP protocol. So if I go to my address bar and type, oh, I don't know, say, ftp://ftp.corel.com/ what is this visual content in my browser? Oh, it looks like a file listing, complete with cute little icons. Hmm.

Yeah, so I guess you're right--file managers and web browsers have nothing in common.

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Low Saxon? by MILLIBIT.com · 2004-03-09 17:21 · Score: 1

What, are there like two Linux users that only speak Low Saxon?

Re:Those who have modded me down are censoring by kragaroth · 2004-03-09 17:54 · Score: 1

And you call that browsing the web? I think web browsing and filemanaging is very different and tend to agree with the critic.

Re:No right mouse button! by 10Ghz · 2004-03-09 19:28 · Score: 1

OMFG!! No right mouse button! Holy shit! OMG! You were unable to PLUG IN A GENERIC STANDARD TWO-BUTTON MOUSE AVAILABLE FOR, AT MOST, $7 AT THE LOCAL RADIO SHACK.

I used KDE3.2 on my old Compaq Laptop on my way to work (I commute by train). All I had to do was to turn it on and start using it. Had I had a Mac, I would have had to plug in the external mouse (since the built-in mouse is no good) and then try to find a suitable place to use it on my lap (have you tried using an extrenal mouse on your lap in a croweded train/bus?). In short: It's a inconvenience and a hassle. But it doesn't have to be that way!

Of course I could havew used the keyboard-keys to emulate the second mouse-button, but that's inconvenient as well.

What Apple should do is to equip their system with two-button mouse (three-buttons are preferrable, but I think that's pushing it), but make both buttons do the same thing. That way the default behavior of the system does not change. Of course user could then map the second button to do something else (Expose for example) and users of other OS'es could finally use Apple-hardware with zero extra hassle! That might actually increase the sales of Apple-hardware a bit. I would LOVE to get a Powerbook or iBook and run Linux on it. But the one-button mouse is a big no-go for me!

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Window Manager? Pah! by hauntedunix · 2004-03-09 20:02 · Score: 1

Window Managers are for n00bs, we should all abandon them, and use the default linux shell!

Re:Most advanced and powerful? by W2k · 2004-03-09 20:25 · Score: 1

1. its a Unix clone.. comes with all the strengths
This might be an advantage over Windows, but not over Linux (also a Unix clone). Also, there's a lot of baggage that comes with being a Unix clone, not just advantages.

2. It has a very well designed, clean and consistent UI
Matter of taste. Most Linux users I know customize their desktop environments to suit their personal tastes, I've done the same with Windows XP. It certainly fits my idea of what is "well designed, clean and consistent" now. So this is not an OSX-specific advantage, either.

3. Its so intuitive that your ganma can use it (try it..)
It might be good for first-time users, but I always feel very disoriented when I have to try and configure something on a Mac. So what is "inituitive" is mostly a matter of what you're used to...

4. It allows you to run MS office, Photoshop , dreamweaver and tons of other commercial apps alongside your Unix apps like apache, smb, namp etc.
I'm running commercial apps alongside "Unix" and other open-source apps on Windows just fine. Just like there are Unix/Linux alternatives to most Windows apps, the reverse is true for pretty much all useful Unix/Linux apps. That said, if Mozilla didn't exist for Windows I'd probably switch. :)

5. You can run X windows apps but turn it off when your dont need it and can run pretty much any (non hardware dependent)app linux can.
Useful for people migrating from Linux, but not for Windows users, who will have very few if any X-windows apps they feel the need to bring over to OSX.

6. OSX boxes can emulate i386 very fast the reverse does not exist yet
I can't think of a time when I've actually felt the need or desire to emulate a Macintosh on my x86. Why would I need to do this, exactly?

7. All development tools are free (gcc) and very easy to use GUIs(Xcode)
There's GCC for both Linux and Windows, and very good development environments for both. So this is not an OSX-specific advantage, either.

8. The development API (cocoa) is open and cross platform (GNUstep, openstep)
Don't know about this one (mostly because I've never used cocoa) but there are plenty of (reasonably) open and cross-platform API's out there.

9. Very good 3rd party hardware support.
Windows has this. Next, please.

10. Fantastic applications like ilife apps, itunes etc that make windows users gawk.
Not this Windows user, they don't. At the university where I work and study, I very rarely hear any mac apps mentioned in a favourable manner, so I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in having this opinion.

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Re:They'll never get into the schools though, unti by Moraelin · 2004-03-10 00:40 · Score: 1

Probably "This application has no HONOUR! It shall taste my bat'leth!" ;)

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srbski? by Cally · 2004-03-10 00:56 · Score: 1

Sta pricec?

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Re:Most advanced and powerful? by polyp2000 · 2004-03-10 03:07 · Score: 1

Im planning on getting a Powerbook at some stage.

My desire to get one has nothing to do with the lovely eye-candy. The main reason is stuff like iMovie (and ease of use of my DV Camera) and also music applications like cubase etc. I wont do Windows, havent for a long time. Its the Unix underpinnings of OSX, and some of the apps that just dont have Linux counterparts such as iMovie.

Even so, im preparing myself for OSX by using KDE...

Stylisation...

All in all though Eye-Candy like that is just an added bonus ;)

nick ...

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kwallet by szo · 2004-03-10 04:45 · Score: 1

Is it usable? How can I get kmail to use it?

thx

Szo

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Re:No right mouse button! by sad_ · 2004-03-10 06:16 · Score: 1

For years Mac users talked about how stable the OS was. Then when OSX came out everyone was saying, "Finally, it doesn't crash anymore. OS9 had real stability problems."

and how is this any different from windows users?

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Immediately Available is Double-plus good! by FreeUser · 2004-03-10 08:19 · Score: 1

What is the difference between the "availablility" and the "immediate availability" of a product?

Other than your unwarrented use of the unword "difference" (c.f. Newspeak dictionary Edition 10, that should read "commonality"), nothing. Immediately available is doubleplus good, while available is double-plus good.

Remember, you are required to think in Newspeak. Failure to do so constitutes a thought-crime, and could be treasonously detrimental to the economic prosperity in your area.

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Re:Most advanced and powerful? -1, Biased. by Tukla · 2004-03-12 03:53 · Score: 1

Not this furry. KDE all the wee. Uh, I mean, way.

Re:ummm "most advanced"? by Tukla · 2004-03-12 12:09 · Score: 1

why isnt my system bar keeping things only on it per what desktop i am on?

Because you didn't tell it to? That's configurable. In fact, the way you want it to behave is the default.

More like third... by Doches · 2004-03-12 16:03 · Score: 1

...You forgot to list Emacs as an advanced and powerful...nevermind.

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