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Web Logs Finally Meet Sim City

l0rd writes "A good piece on wired says : A few games of Roller Coaster Tycoon don't usually translate into productive work, but for one developer the diversion planted the seed for making website analysis more intuitive. Several years after playing those inspirational games, Robert Savage came up with VisitorVille, a website-traffic analysis package that essentially crosses the DNA of SimCity with that of the traditional chart- and graph-centric tools businesses have long been using. Screenshots included."

218 comments

  1. Picture by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If a picture says a thousand words, a city of pictures will help inform sysadmins/webmasters rapidly of infinite variables, by adding the 3d location of all data, relative to the position of information on the server. I wonder if this could be used somehow to stop spam, by "jailing" naughty virtual-citizens? Please, nobody quote Jurassic Park about this... oh hell, Lex: "It's a UNIX system! I know this!"

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    1. Re:Picture by daviddennis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nice try, but since it's web only it's not going to handle email :-(.

      Looks like it works by putting a tracking image on your web site that resides on their servers and then using that to track remotely. Clever since it means you don't have to install any software on the web site or have control over your web server. On the other hand it would be a bit of a pain to edit all those pages. I'll have to dig deeper to see if it works with web sites that are all dynamic.

      I have to say that I like the idea enough that I may well exhume my Windows machine to give it a go. Pity there's no Mac or Linux version :-(.

      D

    2. Re:Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      what about that plugin someone wrote for Apache that identifies spambots and proceeds to feed it junk? The spambot could be contained in the jail cell.

    3. Re:Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A tracking image eh? I guess you wouldn't have any sim-lynx-users crawling around your site then.

    4. Re:Picture by xmas2003 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I remember reading about this a little while back in this blog entry which happens to belong to the winner of the winner of the Nigritude Ultramarine SEO contest.

      He does a real nice job describing his experience with it in an article titled "A Postcard from VisitorVille" which includes some nifty pictures - highly recommended viewing.

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    5. Re:Picture by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      I wonder if watching this will be anything like Dark City... buildings suddenly growing from little townhouses to huge skyscrapers, morphing into different shapes, etc.

      This looks like a great tool for us web admins. If this trend continues, I'll be able to play games all day and my boss will think I'm hard at work! "Ahh, monitoring the web site again, eh? You're such a dedicated employee, always working so hard. I'm putting you in for a promotion."

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    6. Re:Picture by justMichael · · Score: 1

      If you are building dynamic sites, I'll assume that you have a common header and footer...

      Just put it in one of those.

      Personally I'd rather see an option to be able to license a server side version as I'd rather not use 3rd party tracking.

      And I agree with you about the Windows only junk, but with VirtualPC or Win4Lin it's not a huge problem.

    7. Re:Picture by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      The problem is more that the URL doesn't necessarily mean a lot. For instance, in one e-commerce project I'm working on, most of the pages are served by a single program and POST data is what makes it behave differently. So I suppose I would have one huge building and that would be it.

      It's certainly trivial to put it in the page template, but I don't see it as meaning much, unless I wanted to see busses taking off and driving from corder to corder.

      D

    8. Re:Picture by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      And if your database or wiki software was configured improperly, you'll hear the sound of all the taxi drivers going on strike.

    9. Re:Picture by justMichael · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The problem is more that the URL doesn't necessarily mean a lot. For instance, in one e-commerce project I'm working on, most of the pages are served by a single program and POST data is what makes it behave differently.
      Doesn't that make inbound links difficult? Not to mention search engine coverage.

      If it works anything like all of the other 3rd party tracking tags I have implemented over the years you specify params in the request, so you pass one of the identifying post vars with the page name.

      On another note, they do have an "Enterprise" version that you can license to run on a server you have control over. No mention of price without requesting a quote, maybe when the hammering it's getting slows down.
    10. Re:Picture by Rei · · Score: 1

      It should be pretty simple to adapt their software for such a situation. Specifically, having the user side be able to specify different invisible images to track, so the graph is based on the combination of the URL and the image loaded by the user. In your dynamic content, you can have it dynamically pick which image to use.

      It could be graphically represented as a complex of several buildings, with its own private access roads.

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    11. Re:Picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Picture by Rei · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Great... first, I start listening to the soundtrack just a week ago and get addicted to it, and now you're going to make me watch the movie too by tempting me with neat visuals? How mean of you ;)

      Ok, my turn. Hey, this is kind of like Donnie Darko, where the customers are like the people at the halloween party, going between different rooms, and the administrators are like Donnie's family, and Grandma Death is suspected hacking activity, and the evil rabbit is... is...

      Oh, never mind, I give up.

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    13. Re:Picture by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

      Yea, I know he came in second - I botched up the comment - thanx for the comment - dang!

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    14. Re:Picture by Luyseyal · · Score: 1
      This guy looks like the Happy Time Harry doll from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

      -l

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  2. SimDisaster by zenetik · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all fun and games until a SimTornado comes and wipes out your city.

    1. Re:SimDisaster by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Was that SimTornado a result of a SimClimateChange due to SimGlobalWarming?

    2. Re:SimDisaster by mrwonton · · Score: 1

      Or the SimSlashdotEffect?

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    3. Re:SimDisaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a SimHorribleMovie.

    4. Re:SimDisaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like a 747 crashing into the tallest building.

    5. Re:SimDisaster by AndroidCat · · Score: 2

      "Run! Run! Slashzilla is attacking!"

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  3. I like it by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's an intuitive design that uses visuals to display what even the best log-analysis tool could never display.

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    1. Re:I like it by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very good idea, with a stupid convoluted license.

      Things like this from their pricing page.

      If you want to use VisitorVille for Windows on up to three personal computers -- office, laptop, home -- then the optional Power User plan is for you. Note that this is not a multi-user option, but rather a way for you to exercise your single-user license on more than one personal computer

      Its licenses like this that made me stop upgrading Webtrends as well. (The 'we can audit you at any time' in the webtrends 3.5 license did it for me)

  4. Slashdot by Venner · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could do that. Just put a big slashdot logo inside the tornado.

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    1. Re:Slashdot by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 2, Funny
      They could do that. Just put a big slashdot logo inside the tornado.

      And start blinking a "Run Siren" button... the only thing different from the game is, after you click the button, the people slow to a crawl instead of running for shelter.

    2. Re:Slashdot by mackman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, in the Wired screenshots you see people arrive from askjeves.com in a bus with the askjeves.comlogo on the top. I would immagine /. would look more like that scene in Troy of the 10,000 boats arriving full of angry soldiers.

    3. Re:Slashdot by digitalgiblet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but to use the actual Sim City metaphor, you should see a building/web page turn into an archology with the /. logo, then it blasts into space and the vacant lot that is left behind has a server message (depending on server and settings) that says the building/page is inaccesible.

    4. Re:Slashdot by Murf_E · · Score: 1

      ok someone set up a web page, submit it to slashdot and get some screenshots of what happens it would be amazing to see what actually will happen

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    5. Re:Slashdot by thedirektor · · Score: 1

      And the tornado just hit the city! And the city has gone down in flames ;) But IMO it should look like the web page grew from a town to a big city *g* just in a few minutes/hours. Would be really interessting to see what it looked like before and after slashdoting, if the program is able to handle it anyway ;)

    6. Re:Slashdot by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      Heh. GIANT frickin building with the lights so bright they burn out your monitor...

    7. Re:Slashdot by mikael · · Score: 2, Funny

      According to kiddofspeed, being /.'ed was similar to being invaded by a horde of mongols.

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    8. Re:Slashdot by cynic10508 · · Score: 1

      Actually, in the Wired screenshots you see people arrive from askjeves.com in a bus with the askjeves.comlogo on the top. I would immagine /. would look more like that scene in Troy of the 10,000 boats arriving full of angry soldiers.

      Although somehow I doubt Brad Pitt reads /.

    9. Re:Slashdot by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they're coming from askjeves.com, they're probably riding the "short bus".

    10. Re:Slashdot by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Is anybody here able to set this thing up with a simulation and post a screenshot? That is something I'd truly love to see.

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  5. Slashdot Effect? by protolith · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would it appear as a swarm of locust?

    1. Re:Slashdot Effect? by daniil · · Score: 2, Funny

      A rain of whales would be cooler, though.

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    2. Re:Slashdot Effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      musroom cloud. Or that is what the server would wish that it could do as it melts down

    3. Re:Slashdot Effect? by MissTuxie · · Score: 1

      How would a beowulf cluster of those look like, then?

    4. Re:Slashdot Effect? by daniil · · Score: 1

      Under a microscope or in a telescope? Under a microscope, it looks like a stuffed raincloud. But in a telescope (Hubble would do quite nicely, except that it's pointed the wrong way), it looks like... yes, you guessed it, it looks like a pancake!

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    5. Re:Slashdot Effect? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Well, I asked the guy if he could spare a screenshot of Slashdot Effect. Unfortunately, the shot was from Thursday and the story was on Wednesday, so the shot doesn't show the Slashdot Effect in its full glory. Nonetheless, I've posted it on my .mac site.

      I see no /. buses, but there's hella people milling around. 46,000 according to the Mayor of VisitorVille (really his title!).

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    6. Re:Slashdot Effect? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have took. Ah well. Don't flame me, please!

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    7. Re:Slashdot Effect? by bar-agent · · Score: 1
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  6. Just like RCT? by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 3, Funny

    But Can I pick up visitors and toss them in the water just like roller coaster tycoon? That game is awsome, I certainly hope they make another with full 3D environments.

    1. Re:Just like RCT? by ack154 · · Score: 2, Funny

      But Can I pick up visitors and toss them in the water just like roller coaster tycoon?

      So would that be an IP denial?

    2. Re:Just like RCT? by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 1

      Completely off topic, but you should check out the website. There's neat video on it... :)

    3. Re:Just like RCT? by aerojad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pick them up and toss one by one? You're so inefficent! See what you do is delete the path leading out the park. Wait a while, thousands of people stand by the gates not being able to get out... then you lower the land under the remaining path until it's water. Then delete the path as the people still stand on it :D

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    4. Re:Just like RCT? by Xaroth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah. Set up the launcher ride (you know the one - it goes straight up and back down) at maximum height and maximum force. It will quickly become the most popular ride at the park, so make sure you have a big queue for it. In fact, it's *so* popular, that people will keep coming back, even after multiple explosions.

      The people will LINE UP FOR HOURS WAITING TO DIE.

      What's more, if you put the ride on land that's high enough, it will clip off the top of the game world and your people will be counted as leaving the park twice. Kill everyone and watch as the park population actually goes into the negative!

    5. Re:Just like RCT? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      You've never actually played RCT have you? The Woah Belly is wildly unpopular once you push it much beyond the default settings, oh and if a ride crashes you have to stop it and restart it, which empties out the queue.

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    6. Re:Just like RCT? by JJahn · · Score: 1

      Its _way_ more fun to build 70 mph accelerated roller coaster ramps to send your favorite guests flying to the stars (and of course crashing in a flaming wreck somewhere in your park ;-) At least until people stop going on your ride no matter how much it costs...

    7. Re:Just like RCT? by Xaroth · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they changed it since I last played.

      I encountered this very scenario, and found it amusing enough to play through until everyone was dead and my park population was somewhere around -200. I even submitted a bug report about the negative park visitors, but it didn't get patched in the time up until when I lost interest in the game.

      Unless, of course, you're referring to RCT2 or something.

    8. Re:Just like RCT? by lune+tns · · Score: 1
      Pick them up and toss one by one? You're so inefficent! See what you do is delete the path leading out the park. Wait a while, thousands of people stand by the gates not being able to get out... then you lower the land under the remaining path until it's water. Then delete the path as the people still stand on it :D


      Obviously you played RCT from the viewpoint of a large corporate money-making manager. There's really something to be said for the mom-and-pop method of drowning invididuals one at a time. Gives it that personal touch, don't you know?
    9. Re:Just like RCT? by Robmonster · · Score: 1

      They already are:

      http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/rct3/

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    10. Re:Just like RCT? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Did you play a hacked copy or something? In RCT, if a ride kills someone then _nobody_ wants to ride it for quite a while. If at the same time you have the intensity up around 18 or so, there won't be any takers. Such a scenario doesn't even come close to happening in the regular game.

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  7. Price? by manduwok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this guy's product takes off and the price is right, it may give WebTrends a run for its money (literally).

  8. the city that never sleeps by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    A company's entire Web presence is seen as an urban or suburban neighborhood, with each individual Web page presented as a building. The more visitors on a site, the taller the buildings, and the brighter the lights on each floor.

    Visitorville's sure in for some real skyrises and bright lights today...here we come :)

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    1. Re:the city that never sleeps by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1

      Well, for the moment it looks like a blackout.

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  9. What I'd like to know... by Queuetue · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is if this is just useless, or if it's expensive, as well.

    1. Re:What I'd like to know... by Lizard_King · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you read the article, you'll notice that the fee structure is a monthly rate - $30 per month for sites with less than 1k unique visits per day.

      Useless? Keep an open mind - this is a tool that can help smaller web sites and less experienced webmasters analyze their web traffic and make better decisions based off that information. True, these folk may not fit your ideals b/c they can't grep their own logs, but alas, even your underlings deserve consideration.

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    2. Re:What I'd like to know... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At $30/mo for low-traffic sites, I think the price is way too high. IMO, it would be more reasonable to charge $5/mo for low traffic, and maybe $30/mo for a high traffic site. Neat idea, though.

    3. Re:What I'd like to know... by Sinistar2k · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd rather just buy this as a client side app that could then just parse the logs and show the activity using the timestamps for pacing.

    4. Re:What I'd like to know... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      I agree. Leasing software is for sucks.

    5. Re:What I'd like to know... by Politicus · · Score: 1

      It's both. Jakob Nielsen would be rolling over in his grave if he were dead. This looks like a tool upper level managers would love and people who actually have to make sense of the information would love to hate. This product's commercial success is entirely based on the marketing and sales team's rolodex size and slickness factor.

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  10. Themes? by bigben7187 · · Score: 0

    Would it be possible for websites to declare a "theme" on their city? For example, could a site like eBaums be creating something more like RollerCoaster Tycoon, and a site like slashdot could be creating a geeky paradise of open wifi and hi-tech gadgets? It might be an interesting twist to this idea which already seems like a very cool thing.

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  11. Damn Kids! by Dorf+on+Perl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get those damn kids off of about.html's grass!! Get outta here, you whippersnappers! Why, when I was your age, we more'd through NSCA logs by hand and we liked it!

    1. Re:Damn Kids! by Ratfactor · · Score: 1

      Get those damn kids off of about.html's grass!! Get outta here, you whippersnappers!
      Thank you, you just made my morning.
  12. Free Trial by PktLoss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A fre trial would have been really great. It looks like a good tool, but I would need to see how usefull I found it before I lay down my cash. Even if you cancel in the first month there is a %10 processing fee

    1. Re:Free Trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the idea, but I'm not going to pay $30/mo for it. I also don't want log handling or analysis done by a third-party. If it were something I could download and install, that would be good. I'd pay $50 for that.

    2. Re:Free Trial by PktLoss · · Score: 1

      Yeah the monthly fee could add up. I see my usage going something like

      Day 1. Install the product
      Day 2-5. Play with it
      Day 4-8. Look for problems, areas where users are having difficulty getting to the information they need, and places where users frequently abandon the site. Fix those problems.
      Day 9-10. Monitor results, adjust as needed ..indefinete untill the website changes..
      Start over.

    3. Re:Free Trial by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I think the number of people from Slashdot requesting free trials would have bankrupted them.

      Their bandwidth isn't doing so great with the Slashdot effect, so I'm not sure if they're even ready for all the customers this is going to bring them. (I'm probably going to give it a try myself).

      D

  13. Yes by mfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How hard would it be to use the same exact system for mail servers? Sim City mail servers or something like it for tracking usage stats, could reduce a lot of time for sysadmins, and aid in the fight against spam. Maybe I'm reaching... but it didn't seem that far away when I wrote the first comment on the subject.

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    1. Re:Yes by jdray · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, a Post Office in the city with a huge truck that makes regular runs to the city dump. :^)

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  14. site content by millahtime · · Score: 1

    So, would they have say a building going up in flames if your per day hit count dropped a lot.

  15. demilitarized zone by dfn5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    VisitorVile is telling me my web site has turned into a getto. Time to install the police station apache mod and upload more parks.

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    1. Re:demilitarized zone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My web pages keep turning into churches. I've tried deleting them and restoring the old page, but it keeps happening. And if I delete too many churches... I mean pages, sometimes really bad things happen.

      As if that weren't bad enough, some of the new churchs have been the Church of Scientology. Now my site has links to their copyrighted material! It can't be long until the plague of lawyers appears.

      And I'm broke, so I can't really afford major renovations to the site. Anybody got the cheat codes for Apache so I can dump some more money into my treasury?

  16. SimDisasters! by Xaroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously a single page that gets overloaded should be represented by the Riot or Fire events.

    Slashdotting would be, what... the Tornado? Maybe the giant Godzilla! Rawr!

    1. Re:SimDisasters! by taniwha · · Score: 1

      an a worm as a monster stomping through your city ....

    2. Re:SimDisasters! by SkorpiXx · · Score: 2

      Well if we were to go in the context of a program, it would be along the lines of a TransAtlantic Ocean liner crashing into the port and a mass exodus of people rushing off the site so they can hop back on the ocean liner to be one of the first to say something witty or informative.

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    3. Re:SimDisasters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdotting would be, what...

      Rioting Godzillas.

  17. Good Job by KrisCowboy · · Score: 1

    I'm starting out as a system administrator and I'm playing a lot of quake lately. Maybe I'll come up with something after a couple of years. Guys, watch out!!!

    1. Re:Good Job by ElForesto · · Score: 1

      The best part is that you can now cite all those hours of Civ 3 as "research". Not that your significant other will buy that when telling you to go to bed at 3AM...

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  18. i need this by dan2550 · · Score: 1

    i dont really have a very good website, but if i could get this tool, i may actually have to "invest" in my own domain

  19. Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by SeinJunkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like this idea. This could be a great replacement for the feeling you get when a physical customer walks into your store.

    Is it feasible to just run VisitorVille on a PC or a big screen in your virtual store's office/room? I would enjoy watching a visitor walk around my city, go through various buildings all while I'm writing up product descriptions and working on site design. This could really give you a sense of how your business is growing, as well.

    Has anyone actually used this product, yet?

    1. Re:Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I like this idea. This could be a great replacement for the feeling you get when a physical customer walks into your store.
      Hmmm. Except you can't greet them, assist them, or try to sell them anything. Other than that, it's exactly the same.

      I guess I don't see how this is anything but eye candy for people with websites. Maybe that's the point.... I don't always understand the point behind everything. For instance, those segway things....

    2. Re:Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by SkankhodBeeblebrox · · Score: 4, Informative
      from http://www.visitorville.com/overview.html :

      Visitor Interaction

      Initiate chat with any visitor to your web site. Plus, have them able to interact with you via Live Help. Your visitors are no longer mere IP addresses; they are alive, and now you can assist and engage with them simply by selecting a visitor and clicking "Chat" (and your visitors don't need any software, either!)


      So you CAN greet them, just you probably can't add a shopping cart plug-in yet :)
    3. Re:Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by DaveJay · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is a mechanism for chat -- so if they want to talk to a salesperson, you can do so live.

      Say someone has a question about a product, and can't find the answer. You watch them wander around, then they chat with you. You tell them where to go (you can see they hadn't been there, because you can see their visit history, and you can see where they are at that moment). Kinda cool.

    4. Re:Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by eamonman · · Score: 1

      That would be a little weird if the admin could initiate a conversation with a user. The user would expect to be minding his/her own business, and all of a sudden, some window out of nowhere pops up asking questions. I'm not even sure how these conversations would work if it's a static webpage (no java or flash). It's all like being at a store and being hounded by a salesman you don't need.

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    5. Re:Best Replacement for Brick and Mortar Customers by vgaphil · · Score: 1

      I had to try it, it reminds me of Doom for Sys Admins...

      I manage a B2B site and the one thing the marketing people want is the ability to track our customers. This app does that and more, it's really interesting to see how people navigate our site before they decide to buy something. Maybe I'll add features to the pages that get visited the most or improve the pages that are used least often. It's really slick and it's really easy to setup too.

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  20. Nice visual metaphor by grunt107 · · Score: 1

    this seems similar to a VRML presentation layer. There should be graphics for the various exit actions the visitors take. If exit is by a 'back' reference button, user leaves by same bus. If by the 'back' arrow or address change, visitor jumps off building before the building resizes/relights.

    1. Re:Nice visual metaphor by nanter · · Score: 1
      And we all know how well VRML caught on.

      <roll_eyes/>

  21. Just like this: by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    "A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding..."

    Wow.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  22. Wow! Great Idea! by serutan · · Score: 1

    Over the years I've often thought it would be nice to create design or debugging tools that depicted programs as 3D pictures of machines, with widgets stuck on them performing logic functions and data flowing in and out through pipes and valves. But I've never done anything about it. A city is like a big machine, and streams of people flowing through the streets seem like a perfect way to represent web traffic.

    Maybe the next step will be a website designer similar to the x-Tycoon games, that lets you plunk down buildings (pages) and throttle traffic with road sizes, stoplights or some other visual metaphor. I call this thing Cool!

    1. Re:Wow! Great Idea! by emorphien · · Score: 1

      I for one am ready for computers to catch up to the 1980s.

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    2. Re:Wow! Great Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen LabView?

    3. Re:Wow! Great Idea! by cheese_wallet · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to understand this desire to represent mundane computing tasks with real world analogies. It strikes me as cool too, but I couldn't tell you why.

      It seems like we're reaching for the goal of a virtual world where you would craft something in this virtual world that would be a program, instead of the reverse where you craft a program to represent something in a virtual world. So instead of coding a firewall and representing it with a moat around your virtual castle, you would instruct your minions to dig a moat which would result in a firewall being constructed. But that requires a creative intelligence in the software, so instead we are stuck with fairly pathetic simulations that tickle this urge and make us want more.

      It's cool to look at a simulation depicting your web traffic, and knowing that kid with a slingshot is a script kiddie, but you are still relying on somebody else's program to interpret your logs. To take an idea expressed in 'The Matrix', to see what is really going on, you have to look at the raw data.

  23. That is genius by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    When people ask you what genius is, show them the world before this, then show them this. Tools like this are the future of computer science,IMHO. I hope to be the artist that draws the little people/artwork/etc. for everyone's "software", rather than hand-writing programs forever.

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    1. Re:That is genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that has been done before; there was at least one San Francisco company doing this from 1999-2002.

  24. Call me crazy, but I think it's great by tbase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All these types of games are highly addictive. People waste insane amounts of time playing them. I can imagine hiring a few of these "addicts", showing them some basic web promotion techniques (and more importantly, how to teach themselves more) and set them loose with it. I'd have no problems paying someone to play this game, especially if they could build a huge city. If it were customiseable, the first thing I would do would be to turn the order confirmation page into a shopping mall. Turn that puppy into the Mall of America :-)

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  25. Screenshots by Adam9 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a direct link to the screenshots.

    It can even trace traffic flows. Neat stuff.

    1. Re:Screenshots by mikespub · · Score: 1

      Well, if someone is willing to do the SimCity part, I can contribute the logfile analysis and traffic flow part :-)

  26. hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will appear like the thief in GTA and he would go around robbing your vistors of there information and crashing there buildings...

  27. vulnerability scans? by jabella · · Score: 3, Funny

    i wonder if someone scanning for the newest webdav worm of the week shows up as a little bank robber running around the town, checking every door....

  28. Re:Oh man... by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Didn't they have the spin-off game "The Streets of Sim-City" or something, which I seem to recall from the box was like Death Track, but you used the city map from SimCity...

    Anyone ever play this?

  29. My favorite new running metaphor! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    "That's the 15th 'Slashdot' bus I've seen this morning! Is there a Fat Virgin Convention in town? I have to get my ass to work!"

    "I know, not only have they plugged all the streets, but they're filling every coffee shop. I tried to get a biscotti this morning and I couldn't even get to the counter! They were just pushing and shoving to get to the counter, and then they'd just read the menu and leave. Bastards who did order just got a cup of coffee, then dumped it on the floor. Bastards."

    "Yeah, the Mayor ought to do something, maybe put up signs for Slashdot tourists that send them to TubGirl town, or Goatseville. One sight of those neighborhoods would get their asses out of here..."

    "Who lives there, anyway?"

    "Trust me, you don't want to know..."

    1. Re:My favorite new running metaphor! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      No problem! Just put up this sign on the highway they come in on:
      HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
      Location: http://slashdot.org
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  30. Not just for web would be very cool by psyclone · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Imagine this on your corporate or even home lan. A long freight train rolls thru town and you say "damn it, Jim is using bit torrent again". Or the calm stream starts over-flowing and you exclaim "damn Kathy, stop streaming your radio and turn a real one on!".

    Or on the corporte lan where user Joe has a 'house' and all of a sudden cars and people are jamming around it (he just emailed a link to his beta web project stored on his local PC).

    And the BOFH could stomp through as King Kong and wreak havoc on Jane's mail-merge (since she attached a 5MB file instead of linking to it).

    If not already posted, check this summary here: visual summary

    Ok, so who's going to use perl/php with Ming modules to do this? (or something better of course).

    1. Re:Not just for web would be very cool by DaveJay · · Score: 1

      I've actually always wanted this. A virtual town where each machine is a house, and each type of traffic is represented by a different kind of "flow" -- at the largest zoom point, all traffic is one flow, zoom in and see samba vs tcp/ip vs wireless overhead, zoom in and see in vs out, zoom in and see protocols, zoom in and see ports.

    2. Re:Not just for web would be very cool by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would be cool as a disk space analysis tool, height could be disk space used and light intensity frequency of access, that way you could spot old data taking up lots of room as dark sky-scrapers. In fact that would be damn cool as the interface to a hierarchical storage system!

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  31. No Free Demo? by alex2 · · Score: 1

    If this were actually a useful tool, I would never know.

    I am not going to give out a credit card number just to try it out.

    Too bad, they might have gotten my business.

  32. Uninstall? by PktLoss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Installing the product involves tagging each of your pages with some specific code so you can monitor whats going on, this leaves a couple questions:
    Where is the data being generated stored?
    Is the creator's website storing it all for me?
    How secure is their site?
    Most importantly (for those who care about their code)
    If I choose to uninstall the product, will it rip all of its code off of my pages?

  33. Slashdot representation by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Funny
    So have they programmed this thing to show a frothing, bloodthirsty mob with pitchforks and torches, to represent the Slashdot effect?

    I can just see it... there would be a spotlight that comes out of the sky, and then the zombie users would descend, burning everything in their path and reducing the building to rubble. Then little clean-up crews and such afterwards.

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  34. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 4, Funny

    Until they give it a name on par w/ "spinning cube of potential DOOM", it's not gonna cut the mustard.

    Speaking of which, ever since I read that article, it's been pretty much downhill for everyone else's project names too. Hm.

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  35. Robots and Spiders by SWroclawski · · Score: 1

    What about Google traffic that's just google spider index tool? Does it show spiders crawling around your city?

    How about other robots, such as spam harvesting tools? Do we get to see little cans of spam running around?

    And with all these robots on the site, will a Blade Running scenario emerge?

  36. Slashdotting represented by reactor meltdown by sakyamuni · · Score: 1

    I suppose the Slashdotting they're experiencing now (screenshots already fail to load) is represented in their software as a nuclear reactor meltdown destroying the city...

    1. Re:Slashdotting represented by reactor meltdown by CXI · · Score: 1

      That was my thought too, with the webserver being the power plant that gets closer and closer to critical as traffic increases...

    2. Re:Slashdotting represented by reactor meltdown by sakyamuni · · Score: 2, Funny

      Time to file that patent application, eh?

  37. Slashdot through proxy by killermookie · · Score: 1

    So now Slashdot is using other news sites to Slashdot people's servers. How often do we get a chance to use a new site that can hold up to our bombardment only to follow their link and bring that server to a crawl?

  38. Cute, but is it useful? by Stephen · · Score: 1

    It's cute but is it useful? Has anyone tried it? I suspect that it doesn't really yield any insight, once you've got past the "Wow" factor. But I'd be interested to hear if anyone has found out anything using it.

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  39. VisitorVille traffic as of today by luxuryluke · · Score: 3, Funny

    and the VisitorVille.com analyzer reports:

    "SimCopter 1 reporting heavy traffic!"

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  40. May I help you? by tigre · · Score: 1

    Add to that the ability to communicate with the user, maybe by opening a chat session and you have the complete virtual store experience. You could have a virtual clerk that they could meet and talk with.
    See this article from yesterday for some tech that basically handles that part.

    Warning to patentaholics, this post is prior art!

    1. Re:May I help you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pop-up + Annoying Salesperson = Loss of sanity and a gun-toting rampage.

      Bad idea.

    2. Re:May I help you? by jcostantino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      meh, if i want to be acosted by sales clerks trying to make me buy something, i'll GO to a B&M store. my online shopping experience is so great because i don't have to talk to anyone, just add to cart, pay and go.

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  41. Metaverse by SkorpiXx · · Score: 1

    This sort of graphic environment kind of reminds me of Stephenson's "Metaverse" in Snow Crash.

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  42. Excellent Idea! by bobej1977 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is a great idea, and takes one of those annoying corporate menial tasks into something interesting and enjoyable. But, let's hope to god nobody figures out how to write the corporate management RTS game.

    I don't want to be a naysayer, but I'd be a little careful about how an application like this will convince a user of the metaphor so well that they may start to come up with invalid conclusions. That's not altogether bad, it could help a designer think outside the box, but imagine your PHB deciding that your web-site is too crowded.

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  43. Re:Oh man... by mrwonton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I never played that one, but there was also a sim-copter where you flew around putting out fires and saving injured people. It was the same deal, it used maps from SimCity, and let you fly through them in 3d. It was a pretty cool idea.

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  44. Floor Wax by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's an intuitive design that uses visuals to display what even the best log-analysis tool could never display.

    But wait! There's more! It's a desert topping AND a floor wax, too!

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    1. Re:Floor Wax by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Apparently I missed a lucrative career in marketing!

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    2. Re:Floor Wax by antic · · Score: 1

      A cactus would be a desert topping. I think you're looking for the word "dessert"...

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    3. Re:Floor Wax by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      Cactus / lime / tequila whipped cream topping. Mmmmmmm...

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  45. MRTG and SNMP as free alternative? by MyHair · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Very cutesy, but the 3-d data layout could be useful.

    I've been playing with MRTG a little lately...I wonder if you could have Apache or other processes provide info via SNMP and use or modify MRTG to provide more 3-d and 4-d (brightness like VisitorVille's lit/unlit buildings or color) 'graphs'?

    It's probably a strech, but maybe....

    1. Re:MRTG and SNMP as free alternative? by illumin8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've been playing with MRTG a little lately...I wonder if you could have Apache or other processes provide info via SNMP and use or modify MRTG to provide more 3-d and 4-d (brightness like VisitorVille's lit/unlit buildings or color) 'graphs'?

      You should look at a free product called Cacti. It uses RRDTool (from the maker of MRTG) to generate graphs of anything. Literally, anything you can script in Perl or Bash to return a variable when the script is run can be graphed. It's very powerful, and free too, which can't be beat.

      No, I'm not the project developer, I just use it at work and find it quite a bit better than many commercial products that do the same thing.

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  46. open source alternatives? by apachetoolbox · · Score: 1

    anyone know of any open-source alternatives to advanced traffic logging systems like this? i've been using webalizer for years but there's gotta be something better by now.

    1. Re:open source alternatives? by mikespub · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depends what you're looking for, really. AWStats is pretty good and goes further than Webalizer in terms of visits and visitors (see comparison with Webalizer), while tools like aWebVisit can give you a better idea of the traffic flow.

      But the notion of visit and visitor is always subject to discussion - what you see (in your server logfiles) is not always what you get (people viewing your content through proxy caches etc.)

  47. The metaverse is close by jamiguet · · Score: 1

    Does one of the avatars appear with a drill if he is trying an exploit on the web server?

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  48. Linux vs. Windows by enamore22 · · Score: 0

    I hope they included street brawls between Linux and Windows users!

    1. Re:Linux vs. Windows by alex_ware · · Score: 0

      You could have ms.com on screen A and various linux sites on Screen B and watch everyone run from Screens A to B

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  49. Slashdot Wrecking Ball by kkovach24 · · Score: 1

    If http://www.VisitorVille.com/ were a building right now there'd be a big wrecking ball swinging in it's direction with '/.' written on it.

    - Kevin

  50. Message on visitorville webpage. by jhill · · Score: 1

    Please note: We are currently experiencing an extremely heavy server load due to the Wired article. Some images may not load. Thank you for your patience.

    I'd just like to point out that they've misspelled Wired.

  51. Nah.. rioting. by Otto · · Score: 4, Funny

    A much better metaphor for the /. effect.

    Thousands and thousands of buses with "/." on top pour into the town. They all dump 50-60 passengers each and the streets suddenly become full. It's so packed that there's rioting in the streets and fighting. Everyone pours out of the buildings to join in the looting, and every building in town goes dark as people make for the exits. The streets are so packed that the /. buses are just plowing through the people in town, leaving bloody corpses strewn in their wake. As the looting continues, people start making off with the foundations of the buildings and, one by one, they start simply collapsing and filling the area with rubble and dust.

    After you yank the network cable, the dust slowly clears and all you find is countless corpses, destroyed buildings, and smashed busloads of people from where the buildings fell on them.

    If that isn't the perfect metaphor, what is?

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    1. Re:Nah.. rioting. by nes11 · · Score: 1

      lol wow. rough day huh?

    2. Re:Nah.. rioting. by operagost · · Score: 1

      Actually, I thought a slashdotting was like being anally raped by 285,000 horny pixies simultaneously. But I like your analogy better.

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    3. Re:Nah.. rioting. by schnitzi · · Score: 1

      As the looting continues, people start making off with the foundations of the buildings and, one by one, they start simply collapsing and filling the area with rubble and dust.

      And you view this all from a neighboring building, with the Pixies' "Where Is My Mind?" playing in the background. Then you turn to the woman next to you and say, "Marla, you met me at a very strange time in my life..."

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  52. Almost Like Neuromancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This way of picturing things really reminds me of the book Neuromancer by William Gibson where net users interacted with networks, systems, and data using a 3d visual representation. Of course, this is far cry from hardware implants completely taking over a persons senses.

  53. What I need... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    What I'd like to know is, does it have a skin or something more appropriate for my porn site? You know, cabs and cars circling the blocks for hookers, scam artists pick-pocketing my visitors...

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  54. good lord by garstka · · Score: 0, Troll

    This story makes it immediately apparent what a ridiculous bunch of blowhards Slashdotters are. This program is a pile of crap, I've used it.

    Have any of you used it? It's a silly cumbersome little program. This should be obvious to all the piercing intellects we have here. Hmm....

    1. Re:good lord by josh3736 · · Score: 0
      I think most of the discussion can be summed up as "I've never used this," (and therefore don't know how well it works) "but it seems like a really cool idea!"

      And they are right, this is a very interesting idea. I would like to see how it works. But since there is no demo or free trial, we don't know that it's a pile of crap.

  55. Lies! by Mr.+Spontaneous · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please note: We are currently experiencing an extremely heavy server load due to the Wired article. Some images may not load. Thank you for your patience.
    -From the visitorville website

    Wired article my ass... its because the article got /.'d

    Where's the love?

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    1. Re:Lies! by electric_penguin · · Score: 1

      Well since there's no direct link it probably looks like Wired. :)

  56. Slight Graphic Tweak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I think it would strengthen the metaphor a bit if the AOL bus was a short bus instead of the full-length one they're using now.

    1. Re:Slight Graphic Tweak by NuclearDog · · Score: 0

      How about a short bus with one of those handicap lifts on the side?

      ND

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  57. Price is outrageous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this is very cool and would be fun to watch and all... could someone explain to me what insane person would pay that much per month to do this? The lowest price per month is almost my ANNUAL price for hosting + domain. Come on... how many people want to pay that? And with no free trial!

  58. I've been using it for a few months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've been using VisitorVille for a few months.

    First, it's fairly cheap compared to some other ASP web analytics solutions.

    Second, it's got some useful stats and things that aren't part of the Sim-City like interface.

    Third, the interface is fun at times, but it wears off after a while. You just see a lot of people walking around, and although you can follow visitors and get a visual view of your site's page popularity by looking at building size, it's more "fun" than useful.

    When I want to really analyze my site stats for useful data, I find myself using a different stats solution I have setup. VisitorVille is more for when I want to just have a few minutes of fun watching people walk around my site.

  59. Re:Oh man... by Mr.+Spontaneous · · Score: 1

    Damn, that was one fun game, I bought a whole Maxis Pack thing with that, sim copter and others... "Crap, that crazed /. reader just mowed down half of our corporate users!"

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  60. Re:Oh man... by ACNeal · · Score: 1

    Yes, I bought the 2000 Platinum edition from the bargain bin just becaue it came with Streets, and Copter (never played copter).

    I was very disappointed. I had grand visions of getting caught in traffic jams if I had bad traffic, seeing the grand facades of my large buildings, etc. I guess I just had too grand of visions. I know I expected entirely too much, but still I felt let down.

    The street map was correct. All the buildings looked alike. There were very few models for the buildings, and the models that were there were pretty boring. The streets only had traffice pertaining to the 'Streets of SimCity" game, nothing to do with SimCity's traffic problems.

    It might be cool to have a client server type setup someday. Have the game engine running, and then as Mayor, jump in a copter, and fly over it a bit closer than the management interface, or get in a car, and see if the traffic problems are as insufferable as they say. Maybe even invite other "Mayors" from outside, to tour your city.

    I can always imagine a lot more than I could ever deliver as a programmer. But I guess that is where most innovation comes from.

  61. Justified cost by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    This must be for blog communities. Not the majority of websites. I can't see any admin asking the CIO "can we have some additional funding to buy a statistical analyzer that looks like sim city".

    Must be for bloggers.

    Lets see if in this economy (with these gas prices in particular people will part with that much cash.

  62. Tripwire Security Monitor by Slurms · · Score: 1

    This seems to be similar what the people who originally created the tripwire security monitor program had in mind.

    I haven't look at it in years, but back in the day they used to say that they wanted a program that would show your network as a series of rooms in a building. Intrusions would show up on the display just as a physical intrusion would be indicated on the monitor of an alarm system.

    Their idea was that the same flunky that watched the security desk could watch the monitor for intrusions since it would be 'virtually' the same display.

    Nice to finally see someone make an attempt a the paradigm, since I don't think the Tripwire people ever did.

    The windows only platform restriction and the tiered subscription pricing scream "amateur hour" to me.

    I won't be interested until it can run on a more reasonable platform and can be had for a flat fee. I'm happy to pay for upgrades, but I'm not going to pay by the month.

    ps: I'm writing this from a windows box, so I don't care if you think windows is a reasonable platform for this. I don't. But thanks for the thought.

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  63. Visualization nice - interaction better by joeslugg · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of that Doom front-end to "top" that somebody cooked up a while back. Lemme see.... ah, right here: http://slashdot.org/articles/99/10/20/1110242.shtm l

  64. I agree by Therlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was going to check it out. Then I stopped.

    First of all, the lowest package is $30/month, that's very expensive for a personal site. Second, like you said, even if you cancel, they keep 10% of the fee you paid.

    I see it more as a toy than anything else. For any more serious stats, you would use a log analyzer. A $30/month toy is out of my reach.

  65. Take it one step further... by Ratfactor · · Score: 1

    ...VisitorWorld! I really like what they've done here.

    Now, wouldn't it be great if you could have a central server recieving the logs from all of the separate VisitorVille-using sites... mix in a little geographic data... and you could have a map of the world showing Internet city density by location.

    Then you could do other cool things like show streets, roads and highways to indicate routes between nodes.

    You could show air traffic for wireless connections, etc. The mind boggles.

  66. VisitorVille's own traffic logs by p0 · · Score: 1

    Once slashdotted, the visitorville logs will be quite familiar to all of us!

    http://www.cs.utk.edu/~zhang/movies/big/independen ceday.jpg

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  67. Cool by stang7423 · · Score: 1

    "This is the coolest thing, I have ever seen"

  68. Wouldnt browser type be more useful than TLD by lifebouy · · Score: 3, Funny
    I mean, its all good to know whether the visitor is from .com or .edu. But really, what you should be after is whether you need to optimize for IE or Mozilla/Netscape/FireFox.

    Maybe if your site fails to properly load for a browser, the visitor should burst into flames with associated noises. That way website owners would not remain oblivious to broken websites. It would be uncomfortable explaining to the boss why avatars are screaming and dying whenever they enter your site.

    I propose an unwashed heathen for IE users, a cool looking guy for the various incarnations of Netscape/Moz with associated logos on the shirts, a blind person with a cane for lynx users and a mad scientist for Opera. As alternatives, you could use a person in a wheelchair or stait jacket for IE and, hey, an opera singer for Opera. I want Bender for web spiders, its not negotiable:)

    If you include mail servers in there, you could use mail trucks to deliver the mail, with the brown UPS trucks delivering from non-spam sites and the USPS trucks delivering from sites that are known spam havens. I know Im more excited to see the UPS truck than the USPS truck. Nobody sends junkmail through UPS.

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    1. Re:Wouldnt browser type be more useful than TLD by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Or rather than optimizing your website to fit a particular browser you could just follow standards and when someone complains about their browser not working, tell them to get a standards compliant browswer.

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  69. cheat codes! by jcostantino · · Score: 1

    Can I type in "FUND" to receive VC money? Can't type it more than 5 times or my server will crash from an earthquake tho... :\

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  70. Thats all well and good... by dallask · · Score: 1

    Until you buldoze your home page :)

    Still, you have to give the guy credit for creating such an interisting hybrid.

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  71. New features needed... by stienman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You should be able to doubleclick on a person and pop up a questionaire or chat box on their screen.

    Should be able to right click and have a context menu with kick-ban, transport to another page on next user action, etc

    Should be able to transport users to a jail cell in the city using OnBeforeUnload...

    Of course, this requires more integration with the website, but the reality is that the website is there to amuse you, not the little ants running around from page to page.

    -Adam

    1. Re:New features needed... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      " You should be able to doubleclick on a person and pop up a questionaire or chat box on their screen."

      Right, because thats just what I want. Another way for the website owner to force a message on me. Do you really think it would be long before a script is made that doubleclicks on everybody at the site giving them an "important message" from the website owner about a "limited time offer"? No thanks.

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  72. Dreamships by michaelmalak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reminds me of Melissa Scott's Dreamships, where spaceships are piloted through customizable alternative user interfaces that reflect the personality of the pilot -- e.g. one woman chose hot-air ballooning.

  73. Bat phone by demonic-halo · · Score: 1

    Well.. All I really need is the option to install a bat phone in the mayor's office. He's got the answer to everything.

    Maybe he's even got a tornado reversal spray?

  74. Slashdotting, or slashmobbing by neuroneck · · Score: 1

    I wonder what a slashdotting would look like on a site using this for traffic analysis.
    It would be the equivalent of a natural disaster, like in sim city! I wonder if they would have an army feature like they did in sim city.

  75. OMG by Mahrtian · · Score: 1

    I can't believe somebody actually did this. I had this same idea 5+ years ago, but I never worked on it. (I can produce my old web page for those who doubt me) I look forward to seeing it work and see if my old idea actually could be useful.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no bitterness, I'm just pleased to see somebody do it.

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  76. It's not a totally new idea by k98sven · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cool idea, but let's hand out some credit:

    The statician Hermann Chernoff was first to developed the idea of using faces to display multi-variable data.

    Actually, if someone just wants a simple metaphor, faces probably are the best choice, given that our brains are hard-wired to do face recognition especially well.

    1. Re:It's not a totally new idea by xtermin8 · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of Doom as a tool for system administration

      http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/

      Dennis Chao
      dlchao@unm.edu
      October 17, 1999

    2. Re:It's not a totally new idea by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      The statician Hermann Chernoff was first to developed the idea of using faces

      Which has NOTHING to do with this AT ALL...

      Using one kind of traffic (urban pedestrian) to represent another kind of traffic (HTTP) makes simple sense, and is in no way Chernoff-derived.

      Actually, if someone just wants a simple metaphor, faces probably are the best choice,

      Absolutely not. Faces are entirely inappropriate for traffic level or any variable with a large (or unknown) upper bound. Chernoff faces are most applicable to display a related bundle of indirectly related quantities that are constrained to a well-defined possible range. (Especially if those quantities are derivatives). For example, (inflation, new jobs/month, reserve interest rate) is a good triplet chart with Chernoff faces.

      But the size of your bank account or hits to your webpage simply wouldn't make sense.

  77. Big Shiny Building! by jasongraphix · · Score: 1

    "The more visitors on a site, the taller the buildings, and the brighter the lights on each floor." - Wired

    So what does the building that represents their site look like now as it's being /.ed?

  78. Re:Oh man... by josh3736 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Didn't they have the spin-off game "The Streets of Sim-City" or something[...]

    Anyone ever play this?

    Yes they did. They also had SimCopter in which you could load your maps from SimCity and fly around in a 'copter.

    SimCopter came first. I thought it was decent. Gameplay got boring after a while. Then they rolled out Streets, which as far as I could tell, was Copter with a few changes to the code. The gameplay sucked ass. There was zero traffic and poor graphics.

    It was actually rather disappointing.

  79. An Ant Theme! by antdude · · Score: 1

    This would be great for an ant theme. See how much traffic with ant trails. The heavy sources and destinations are where the heavy traffics are. Or it could be an Ant Farm where activities take place.

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  80. Amazing by TwistedSpring · · Score: 1

    Wow that looks good. I'd really enjoy watching my virtual traffic flow (well, maybe for about a half hour), but I'd rather not pay for this. I guess it tracks using javascript or hidden images or something, sending the data on referals etc. to a central server (like SiteMeter), then I guess that server sends UDP packets to the client to direct vehicles and people in the virtual world. It would actually be quite simple to do this kind of thing on ones own (well, at least to create the server, the client would need some more work). It's such a shame the prices are quite insane (I mean, an unplayable SC3000 for ~$40/month dependent on # visitors, no thank you). Hope to see a free alternative soon, I might even work on it :)

    Absolutely great idea, though. More of this innovation would be appreciated.

  81. Otto... by FirstNoel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree, that is the best metaphor for the /. affect.

    I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me...

    Sean D.

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    "Hmm. I am to metaphor cheese as metaphor cheese is to transitive verb crackers!"
  82. Dennis Chao, "Doom" admin: psDooM by xtermin8 · · Score: 0

    Back in Oct '99 "http://slashdot.org/articles/99/10/20/1110242.sht ml" Its a sourceforge project: psDooM

  83. Don't think it will ever break into big companies by reverendG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work for Webtrends doing technical support (yecch!) so I feel like I have some good insight into web analysis and it's pitfalls and benefits, as well as the types of people who use it. The biggest problems by far that were encountered was setup-configuration and graph interpretation. I think that both of these problems will be increased in a program like this, and that the cool factor provided by the model will not offset these problems for most serious webmasters.

    I see a couple of problems with setup and configuration, but the biggest without doubt is "can it handle dynamic pages?" Is it able to discern the difference by pages when that difference is controlled by a URI query? What if the dynamic parameters are passed in with a POST? Will this require the tracking on each page to be modified? Many large companies use dynamic websites, so this could be a serious barrier.

    As far as interpretation problems go, I think it's pretty cool that this software is able to give graphic metaphors for traffic on a web site, but it's hard to use abstract metaphors when doing business or web traffic analysis.

    I think that this is going to be a tool, almost exclusively, of small websites that are able to tweak their web pages on a whim (unlike large companies are able to do, in most cases), which makes the price point even more of a problem. Thirty bucks a month?! That's a lot of money for someone who's running a small site, it could be more than their hosting fees.

    It's a cool idea, and I like to see the virtual world evolving, but I don't think that this is going to do well.

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    Why should I argue rationally with someone being irrational? I'll just mock them instead.
  84. You forgot a Simpsons reference by joggle · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was thinking more along the lines of 10,000 Canyoneros.

  85. Pricing scheme needs work by lpq · · Score: 1

    The pricing scheme is open to rampant abuse.

    All a $29.95/month mom&pop store needs is to get hit with a /. crowd and your daily unique visitor count will get WAY screwed up.

    I wonder what happens when you reach your limit -- does it just stop keeping track or will you be bumped to a higher tier. You maybe go home on a Friday and come-in on monday and see 200,000 unique visitors over the weekend...yuck!

    Too bad there's not a "free" level for non-commercial, personal use.

    -l

  86. We need more things like this. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Funny
    You know after thinking about this product for a bit (and reading the near-instantaneous consensus about what a Slashdot effect would look like) I think there should definitely be more work into things like this.

    I could easily see how a few real world metaphors can be used in a sort of 'stretchy' fashion, the way the buildings get bigger and smaller in this thing based on how many people are 'in' it. I wonder how it handles the fact that people change locations pretty much instantly.

    Of course the next step is full on Grand Theft Router with little armed PacketPeople who can actually fight for bandwidth! Yeah! Or maybe capture the flag, but the flag is actually a P2P connection. And moderators would be huge silent golems striding through the city, rearranging things as they see fit, stepping on some but lifting up others, and never telling us why... and of course the Ancient Editor Gods, resplendent in their ivory towers floating above, casting down both wisdom and duplicate stories in equal measure. Ah, what a sight it would be.

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  87. Almost perfect by joggle · · Score: 2, Funny
    Thousands and thousands of buses with "/." on top pour into the town.

    Shouldn't those be Canyoneros with /. on top? Not only would they drop off passengers, they'd get involved in nocking down the buildings and running over the corpses and other vehicles as well.

    1. Re:Almost perfect by SeXy_Red · · Score: 1
      Shouldn't those be Canyoneros with /. on top? Not only would they drop off passengers, they'd get involved in nocking down the buildings and running over the corpses and other vehicles as well.

      Don't forget starting unexplained fires, but I guess that's a matter for the courts...

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  88. code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    looks like this is the code from their own page:

    <!-- BEGIN VisitorVille code v1.0 -->
    <script>t_rid="148";</script>
    <script src="http://www.visitorville.com/js/plgtrafic.js.p hp?ProfileID=148"></script>
    <noscript>
    <a href="http://www.visitorville.com/top/?profile_id= 148">
    <img src="http://www.visitorville.com/counter/count.php ?ProfileID=148" border=0 alt="VisitorVille.com">
    </a>
    </noscript>
    <!-- END VisitorVille code v1.0 -->

    Seems like you could probably do something interesting by messing with the id number.

  89. Re:Cool, but not THAT cool by ack154 · · Score: 1

    You don't get out much, do you?

  90. hax0red! by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    So some weiner beats you to the punch, exploiting a weakness in the server before it can be patched.

    Next thing you know there's a little guy in a black leather jacket running people down, shooting up the neighborhood, and bitch-slapping the prostitutes.

    It's Grand Theft Auto: Visitorville, coming to a desktop near you.

    In case of Slashdotting, the wailing of the server will be represented by a medley of Morrisey tunes.

  91. Server Plants by FearTheFrail · · Score: 1

    They could always give you the option of buying a Windows plant, with the understanding that in x months/weeks/days, it was bound to explode due to a lack of maintenance and release tons of Blaster/Sasser/Torgo/Cowboyneal/DRM/MS Bob radiation into your surrounding markup, script and proprietary software extension zones.

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    ___ In the words of Gen. Douglas McArthur: "I'll be right back."
  92. Dammit!!! by KrisCowboy · · Score: 1

    How many geeks are out there anyway? I think there should be an offical geek-census software to keep track all these kindred spirits.

  93. Cute, but not necessarily a good mapping. by jbum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the screenshots from the site, there's a cute sim-city style interface, overlaid with charts and graphs.

    While the sim-city display is cute, it doesn't look particularly useful nor relevent. Why? The 2d-grid layout of a city does not match the N-d layout of most websites.

    The charts and graphs look useful, but how do they differ from any other traffic analysis package?

  94. Purchase Order by kaoshin · · Score: 1

    Write up a purchase order for me please. We need a logitech cordless gamepad. Make it a priority one. It is an issue with the production webserver. Got to go, we're having a meeting about it in the gameroo... i mean boardroom.

  95. Yes contribute more to the dumbing down of the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, contribute more to the dumbing down of the net!

  96. interesting, creative, & mostly counterproduct by mabu · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I admit this application is very creative and interesting. However, as much as I find it amusing to look at, it also seems to be a great example of unproductive, wasted, metaphors further encouraging the ADHD'ification of the populace.

    Do we really need web site traffic represented as little people wandering around?

    This to me seems ultimately as useful as Microsoft's stupid talking paperclip. Yea, it's amusing for the first few days, then it becomes an inefficient, time-wasting distraction. In other words, corporate America will probably love it.

  97. Quicker Slashdot Effect by Tokerat · · Score: 1

    It's all fun and games until a SimTornado comes and wipes out your city.
    I envision more of a traffic problem from the likes of 10,000 Slashdot buses pulling up per second...

    Forget the webserver, the graphics card will choke before the NIC even begins to smolder...
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    CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
  98. A Glimpse of the Future? by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    This is the coolest thing I've seen all day. I especially like the line about how my mother inlaw could look at this and understand what was going on. To some, this looks silly, but this may be the future of intuitive interfaces for nonintuitive situations. We humans live in a world of 3 physical dimensions (at least that we are generally aware of...) filled with objects of varying familiarity that we learn to interact with. If our computing interfaces become more similar to what we have evolved to understand intuitively, then we can take increasingly complex data sets and tap our full potential for analysis.

    Oh well, at the very least it will be even more fun to be a nerd!

  99. Great Fun by MuzMister · · Score: 1

    This has to be one of the best ideas I've seen in a while .. now management can really understand what happens on our web site. No more snoring during the monthly report :)

  100. A heretical notion by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I checked out the site pretty thoroughly and it looks like professionals aren't going to jump on this bandwagon.

    As Edward Tufte points out in The Visual Display of Quantitative Information, Envisioning Information, and Visual Explanations, the meaningful display of information is about removing visual clutter, not introducing it.

    Just as a PowerPoint presentation doesn't really increase our ability to grok the quarterly sales figures, the visual fluff of metaphorical buildings and busses doesn't help us understand traffic data. Simple bar graphs do not introduce the distortion of perspective. They're not sexy, but they do not make it more difficult to discern relationships between data elements, the way a 3d urban representation does.

    I'm also reminded of good old Microsoft Bob, and some of the more antiquated websites from the 1990s that forced a metaphor onto something that didn't need one in the first place. Back in those days, Web designers felt that people wanted an "experience" when what they really wanted was an attractive and clean interface to information, organized in a way that would be useful.

    Professional web developers and marketers (I know, they're all stupid, they all want dumbed-down visual information, blah blah blah) need information they can drill down into quickly and easily without a lot of superflous distraction. There are already several good tools, like Summary and FunnelWeb, on the market. I don't think this experiment will make it in an already saturated market.

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    1. Re:A heretical notion by tootlemonde · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...the meaningful display of information is about removing visual clutter, not introducing it.

      True enough and the service is flawed by that standard but what it is trying to do is a bit more ambitious. As this writer puts it, the service is trying to map an abstract operation to an intuitive environment.

      The type of displays that Tufte talks about are often trying to do the reverse: map an intuitive environment to an abstract display. An example would be a flight control system which maps a two dimensional radar screen with labeled, blinking dots to aircraft in three dimensions.

      The service's use of SimCity as the intuitive environment is plausible since SimCity is fairly successful in mapping abstract processes in its domain. The problem is that Web site activity doesn't map very well to urban activity.

      The extraneous details or visual clutter in conventional graphs are often what give a metaphore its power. What the service may need is simply a better metaphore.

  101. Sim City Visuals? by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2, Funny

    So when your site gets slashdotted, how does it show up? A giant lizard attacking your city?

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  102. Wrong metaphore, wrong emphasis by tootlemonde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Judging by the screen shots, the primary way of representing site activity is skyscrapers in a rectangular city grid.

    The city-grid metaphor fails to capture the essential hierarchical structure of a Web site

    In addition, showing page popularity by the height of buildings favours pages that are designed primarily to route users to other pages. For instance, the home page would typically get the most hits.

    However, the objective of a home page is to route users to pages that provide some information specific to their interest. These pages are inherently less popular but what the site manager needs to know is whether people who go to the home page are ultimately getting to the less popular pages that interest them further down the hierarchy.

    In effect, it's the traffic between pages that's more interesting than the hits on the page. The service does provide this information but in a more conventional form of percentages and lists.

    A pinball machine metaphore might be more useful with visitors represented by the pinball. The pinball should get through the maze of bumpers with as few rebounds as possible before exiting the game. If users spend a lot of time bouncing around, the site is failing to get them to the pages that interest them quickly.

  103. Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean
    Où se trouve le W.C.?

  104. Re:Don't think it will ever break into big compani by psoriac · · Score: 1

    reverendG raises some good points, and I had a thought: what if a building represented the base page of dynamic content (the longest common url substring of the request) and variations represeted rooms within that building? Or add-ons to the building. That way you could even monitor the frequency of requests for permutations of that dynamic content.

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  105. They let you do more than most licenses by Nailer · · Score: 1

    Oh my god, unlike a normal license, they a single user use it on more than one machine! What fuckwits!

    1. Re:They let you do more than most licenses by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      This is a server reporting SERVICE, why the heck is it licensed to one user AND one machine?

      Here's your fancy report, don't show anyone, sorry that will cost extra. Oh, and don't run it on your laptop, that will cost extra.

    2. Re:They let you do more than most licenses by Nailer · · Score: 1

      No, its software. And as the poster above suggests, its licensed to one user (who runs the software - that can show the report to anyone they want) and three machines, which is more than you'd get with most software.

      Besides, if it was a hosted service, what's wrong with charging more money to monitor more machines?

    3. Re:They let you do more than most licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a service that requires client software to view reports. And they don't charge to monitor more machines, they charge to let you view your reports on more than one computer.

      VisitorVille is a Windows program that you install on your PC. You don't need to install any software on your web server!

  106. The Lizard by urbaer · · Score: 1

    Only if you use Mozilla.

  107. This just in... by FLEB · · Score: 1

    Newsflash!

    Heavy high speed traffic caused a catastrophic accident just moments ago, as a bus full of Linux OS users collided with a UNIX-based webcrawling engine.

    Reports have been sketchy, but we have just recieved confirmation from VisitorVille PD... no survivers... It has been confirmed... *NIX is dead.

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    Entertainment wants to be paid.
    You just want to be cheap.
  108. Job Offer - Web Analyst by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

    Cybertraffic.com is currently looking for a motivated web analyst to help with its online presence in an effort to streamline our businesses core competancies which make us the leader in the online e-cyber commerce space.

    A qualified webmaster/administrator with the following skills is required:

    -guru level knowledge of Linux, apache mod perl cgi etc...
    -a fundamental understanding of the internet http and tcp/ip
    - a BA in civil engineering with at least 5 years experience on either a city planning commision, police force or crossing guard experience at a minimum.

  109. Edward Tufte == aesthetics > usability. by KevinDumpsCore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > As Edward Tufte points out in The Visual Display of Quantitative Information, Envisioning Information, and Visual Explanations, the meaningful display of information is about removing visual clutter, not introducing it.

    Since when is Edward Tufte an authority on usability?

    I saw a train schedule in _The Visual Display of Quantitative Information_. To me, it was a confusing jumble of branches. I guess his point was that it was "beautiful".

    I came to understand it after an hour. (I was on an Amtrak train with a superior text schedule!) My best guess was that the designers ran out of space and added branches to extend the timeline. I was confused because they looked like separate train lines.