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Louisiana Man Pleads Guilty to Creating 911 Worm

mabu writes "The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California announced that, roughly a year after his arrest, David Jeansonne pleaded guilty Tuesday to two criminal counts in a scheme that sent email to users of Microsoft's WebTV Internet service containing an attachment that, when opened, reprogrammed their computers to dial 9-1-1 without their knowledge. It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm."

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  1. Maybe he thought he was doing them a favor... by punxking · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Help! I'm using WebTV!"

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    1. Re:Maybe he thought he was doing them a favor... by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      No, he was trying to teach them how to use the phone. Most WebTV users are frightened by things such as talking and electricity, he was just trying to help!

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    2. Re:Maybe he thought he was doing them a favor... by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      You think WebTV users know how it works?

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  2. Hope he gets slammed by Evil+W1zard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This was a very, very, very dumb thing to do on his part. I could see the courts giving him some leniency if he was 12, but at 43 years of age I think he will get what he deserves. Does anyone know if the worm caused any delays in getting through to the 911 system that caused serious injury or death?

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    1. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [YOA hater ranting here...]

      Why? When I was 12 I was actually AFRAID to call 911 unless it was dead serious [excuse the pun]. Now I use it to report bad drivers and routinely see people get pulled over by cops cuz of it ;-) [after following them around the city...].

      At 12 you should know that 911 isn't a toy. And if you don't AND are capable of writing a worm that dials 911 ... then you deserve to get a paddling.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Hope he gets slammed by bani · · Score: 4, Funny

      hopefully he will get a good paddling from his cellmate bubba.

    3. Re:Hope he gets slammed by isomeme · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, even though both remaining WebTV boxes were infected.

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    4. Re:Hope he gets slammed by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The guy was screwing with WebTV customers. I think we should elect him King of the World.

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    5. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      The cops get my details too. If they thought I was abusing it they'd let me know.

      100% of the time so far the other driver gets scared from me following [at a safe dist/speed] and just admits to the cop that they cut us off or whatever.

      And really we only do this maybe once every few months when someone does something really stupid [e.g. sends us into on coming trafic which happens more than you'd like to think].

      We don't use it for minor problems [e.g. speeding 10km/h over the limit].

      In one case though we had a really old dudes driver license revoked because they were driving down the middle of two lanes at 50km/h in an 80 zone. Then when we went to pass they almost ran us off the road [e.g. moved towards us].

      When we called the cops on them we actually had to pull them over ourselves because they were all over the road. Their comment to the cops was "he drive really slow" and the cops reply was "they were pulling you over, didn't you notice how you were driving"... At which point the cops had our info and told us to bugger off.

      The dude was sent packing which was good, one less really old bad driver...

      Tom

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    6. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      The good thing is by posting as an AC your post gets loads of credibility. Like I could go out and quote you as an honest and trustworthy source who had something useful to say.

      Congrats. You're life is so meaningless and inconsequential that you don't even post with an identity anymore. You might as well just suicide yourself now cuz nobody is looking.

      Tom

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    7. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's not a paddle that Bubba just pulled out. Too long, too hard, too much stuff dripping out of the tip.

    8. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Why am I getting the image of some 5'7" 120 pound punk on the other end of this converation...

      See you don't care probably because you drive like a maniac too. But once you realize that "oncoming traffic is bad" [little math for you... you do 65mph, they do 65mph, when they hit you .. that's 130mph of force... or ... "death"] you'd realize that being cut off isn't such a "minor" thing...

      But agian, you drive like a maniac likely and don't see the harm in "pwnzing the roadz"

      Tom

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    9. Re:Hope he gets slammed by sherpajohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was following an obviously drunk driver once, as we approached a fairly sizeable town (25,00 folks or so at the time) - I dialed 911 - as I watched the guy litteraly nodding off in the drivers seat at a stop light. 911 directed me to the provincial police (OPP). The OPP told me they had no one to respond - this guy was gonna kill someone if he ewas not taken off the road! I was furious! They directed me to the town's police who asked me if I could follow him and stay on the line, about 15 minutes later - on the other side of town, as this guy is almost verring into the ditch, I see a town cruiser come screaming up behind me and pull him over. A few minutes later the cop walked back to my car to thank me - saying the guy was so drunk he could hardly talk.

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    10. Re:Hope he gets slammed by karnal · · Score: 1

      That would be a "pounding", not a "paddling".

      If you don't know the difference, well... ask someone else.

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    11. Re:Hope he gets slammed by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Wow, I don't know what part of the country you live in, but around here you could potentially go to JAIL for abusing the 911 service like that. Unless there is immediate, serious risk of harm to people, you should use the local police phone number to report bad drivers, not the emergency service.

      A couple years ago I saw a drunk driver slam into a curb and jump his car about 5 feet in the air at around 2:00 AM. I called the local police and had absolutely no trouble getting through to dispatch. It was not a 911 kind of situation.

      In fact, after following the police and giving them my account of the incident I was actually scolded by one of the officers for not pulling over first before calling on my cell phone.

    12. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


      Nice tagline though its a mis-quote:

      bootsect.s Copyright (C) 1991, 1992 Linus Torvalds

      NOTE! currently system is at most (8*65536-4096) bytes long. This should
      be no problem, even in the future. I want to keep it simple. This 508 kB
      kernel size should be enough, especially as this doesn't contain the
      buffer cache as in minix (and especially now that the kernel is
      compressed :-)

    13. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I fourth it. What a fucking jackass. 911 is for emergencies, not fucking with people because you don't like their driving.

      Jerk.

    14. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Frankenmuth, Michigan has like 10,000 people not counting tourists and the prison (If it's still open, they might have moved them up to the TCCF), which more than qualifies for "small town." If you call 911 on something like this, the police might flag the license plate number of the guy you reported (if he's pulled over ever again, he's not supposed to get a warning), but they won't go track him down. They will, however, slap you with a very hefty fine, which is guaranteed. They just call the phone company and it's added as a special charge to your phone bill along with a number to call if you want to contest it (Which is usually a bad idea. Even the most permissive judges in the state who let people off with a warning on their 10th DUI don't play games with 911 abuse anymore, and the statutory maximum they can slap you with is something like $25,000 and 14 days in jail. Saginaw judges especially just love statutory limits, and will throw the whole thing at you and leave you to try and bargain it down on appeal. I think that if somebody dies because an ambulance, police cruiser, or fire truck is unnavailable, and one that could have responded is on an unjustified call, the 911 abuser responsible for that call can even get hit with wrongful death.

    15. Re:Hope he gets slammed by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it that so many people seem to think anal rape in prison is funny?

    16. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Albinofrenchy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, pick on the mentally handicapped. Way to go.

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    17. Re:Hope he gets slammed by jsight · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.... it is 65 MPH of force.

    18. Re:Hope he gets slammed by SacredNaCl · · Score: 1

      . Does anyone know if the worm caused any delays in getting through to the 911 system that caused serious injury or death? Considering the total penetration of WebTV, not likely.

      It was reported in the article that 21 people recived the email, of which 10 of them executed the code and had a visit from the police. 10 911 calls spaced throught a day, across all of America hardly constitutes a "threat to national security or emergency services".

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    19. Re:Hope he gets slammed by SacredNaCl · · Score: 1

      Throughout too damnit. Wish there was an edit function for those times I don't see an error till I hit post.

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    20. Re:Hope he gets slammed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      I don't know where he lives either, but I can tell you that there are over 50 counties in California, and each of them does things differently. Some counties here, the only way to reach the police department is through 9-1-1 dispatch. In some of them, it's not their primary number, but in Santa Cruz you can call 9-1-1 to get the police department. A couple of times I called them and my opening line was "I have a non-emergency for SCPD". They just send you right on. Here in Sutter county, they start lecturing you and bitching you out if you call 9-1-1, telling you that you're tying up the line.

      By the way, if you saw someone's car jump up five feet in the air, there's an AWFUL lot of kinetic energy involved. It's definitely a 911 kind of situation.

      Oh and, the cops will scold you for anything. It's what they do, they're cops. In their past life, they were a mother hen. Except, now, they're armed with law (and firearms) and many of them get awfully full of themselves. I had one pull me over for not having a bumper once when my bumper cover had been removed. When I told him I had a bumper, he said "no you don't". Luckily I drive a mercedes now, so even though it probably can go every bit as fast as my little lowered sports car (in which I have never had a speeding ticket) I will probably never be pulled over again.

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    21. Re:Hope he gets slammed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      It's not 130mph of force. First of all, mph is a measurement of speed (distance over time) and not a measurement of force.

      Second of all, WTF does cutting someone off have to do with hitting oncoming traffic? Cutting someone off means that you pull in front of someone going slower than they are, but in the same direction. In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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    22. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Um, yes, it's as if you hit a wall at 130mph...

      And dude, if someone is beside you, pulls 3/4 the way up and decides "that lane is mine!" you have to slow down/turn to avoid getting hit. Even if they did hit you, it would be to put you ... into the traffic...

      Cutting off isn't always "safe"... Canadians have specialized in "I'll get my timmies before you even if I have to kill you, see that! I've got a baby on board sticker!! suck tail pipe beeeyotch!"

      Tom

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    23. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm in France right now on BUSINESS and I'm only 22 years old. I'll take lessons on "not sucking" from someone else ok?

      Sincerely,
      Tom

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    24. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I use [] as a substitute for () since I don't have to hit the shift key.

      It really isn't a hard concept.

      As for those lessons, what's your accreditation?

      Let's see

      1. Sitting in your underwear at your parents house on /. late a night.

      2. Posting as AC on /. instead of doing something productive

      3. Not actually employed in the field [and no, Burger King doesn't count]

      4. Not currently known around the world for your expertise [if you have any]

      5. Think you're funny by trolling as AC instead of actually saying things that are original, non-obvious and useful [kinda like a patent declaration]...

      So hmm, no I don't think you're qualified to teach me anything.

      Tom

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    25. Re:Hope he gets slammed by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      Why do do you think commenting on it is necessary?

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    26. Re:Hope he gets slammed by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Good. Unlike what others would have it, reporting dangerous people is not "wussy" or "snitching". If people can't learn to not be complete tools behind the wheel they'll learn how to talk to cops more often ;-)

      Tom

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    27. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because we are no better than the people in Iraq we call barbarians for their "rape rooms".

      It's interesting to me how rarely it comes up that anal rape isn't funny: that it's torture, and torture is a criminal human rights violation that would have us clamoring to invade another country. Yet we not only allow it, we practical cheer for it. On a large scale.

      And for any fool who thinks it's about giving people their just desserts, tell me what happens when these anal gang raped men reenter society. What kind of respect for others do you think they'll have?

      And what type of people are in prison anyways? Dangerous people? Or non-violent pot-smokers or what?

      Anyways... sorry for the rant but it's amazing how at this point in human history mob mentality still rules even the most allegedly civilized nations.

      Cheers.

    28. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I dialed 911 once to report a moron driving on the wrong side of the road for several miles. When he went over into the other lane I immediately slowed down considerably and stayed some distance back, thinking he was drunk. He then continued driving, swerving over into the right(correct) lane whenever oncoming traffic started getting close, and then returning back into the left lane when they had passed.

      By the way the oncoming traffic was slowing down and pulling off to the side and creeping along, I could tell he was really freaking some people out.

      I called 911 and felt totally justified in it. I figured at any moment he might cause someone to over-react and lose control of their vehicle.

      Sometimes stupid people just have to be reported.

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    29. Re:Hope he gets slammed by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Yet we not only allow it, we practical cheer for it. On a large scale.

      Since when does joking about something make one a supporter, or even tolerant, of it in real life?

      The only extent to which most people "allow" such is the same extent to which we allow human rights violations in China or Burma -- we have our own lives to get on with, and if we dedicated ourselves to fighting every kind of evil out there, we'd have no time for ourselves anymore, so we acknowledge that it happens (with, in this case, some humor) and go about our way.

    30. Re:Hope he gets slammed by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      The idea of this guy becoming a prison wife is amusing, for the same reason people find it amusing when people die or castrate themselves due to their stupidity or poor judgement (Darwin Awards).

      Maybe it's just satisfying to imagine someone who took away the rights of others, have karma come back to bite them on the arse. Doesn't mean we condone this or even imagine it will happen but still, it's amusing.

      Humour doesn't have to be responsible or politically correct.

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    31. Re:Hope he gets slammed by frenetic_wimp · · Score: 1

      Human rights violations has nothing to do with our invading another countries. Well, actually, some people believe that controlling one's own country is something of a human right in itself. I'm not saying that Iraq was a country in the control of its citizens at the time of the invasion, but still your comment makes no sense.

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    32. Re:Hope he gets slammed by DissidentPhoenix · · Score: 1

      I don't think its anal rape so much as homosexual gay rape that seems to be so amusing to people. If it was a male doing the same thing to a female prisoner, I doubt that it would be found so amusing. For a society that has gone far, we still manage to be amazingly hypocritical at times.

    33. Re:Hope he gets slammed by mopower70 · · Score: 1

      So, what are you now, 13? You drive around the city following "bad drivers" and then waste expensive and scarce metropolitan resources by calling the 911 EMERGENCY number just so you can get you jollies at watching them get pulled over? THAT is bordering on criminal.

      And just exactly what do you tell the police that would make them actually respond to a call like this? Believe me, they aren't going to send out a squad because you tell them you think someone's a "bad driver." In fact, where I live, they'd probably send a cop to your house and kick your ass just for making that phone call. And where in the hell do you live that the drivers are so bad that it deserves an EMERGENCY response?!? The next time my taxes go up to pay for more cops, I'll know who to thank.

    34. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Kombat · · Score: 1

      Now I use it to report bad drivers and routinely see people get pulled over by cops cuz of it

      Perhaps things are different in your neck of the woods, but around here (Ottawa, Canada), people are discouraged from calling 9-1-1 unless it is a "life-threatening emergency." If you see a dangerous/drunk driver, then by all means, feel free to call the police. They just want you to use their regular number, rather than tying up the life-and-death operators with your own brand of overzealous vigilante highway patrol.

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    35. Re:Hope he gets slammed by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1
      I think that if somebody dies because an ambulance, police cruiser, or fire truck is unnavailable, and one that could have responded is on an unjustified call, the 911 abuser responsible for that call can even get hit with wrongful death.

      Definitely! This is just as negligent as someone who drives drunk and kills someone.

      I've never understood the stupidity. Near where I used to live, people would light fires and then when the firemen showed up, would pelt them with stones. Same happened to ambulances. In the end, it got to the point where they would not enter this area until a police escort was available.

      It's just pissing on your own chips. In the end, these are the same people who may die one day because the ambulance or fire engines had to wait for a police escort.
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    36. Re:Hope he gets slammed by msim · · Score: 1

      Not to be a bastard but it sounds like those people are the type you'd HOPE contributed to darwins theory by snuffing themselves.

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    37. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      I didn't say that joking makes one a supporter. This isn't about joking. I'm posting about the people who stated specifically that they thought it was fine and funny for "criminals" (whatever that means) to be anal gang raped. Read some of the lower scored comments.

      Aside from the joking and the slashdot posts, there isn't a lot of pressure on the prison system to stop this kind of behavior. In my experience most people seem to think it is part of the territory -- that it's really okay because prison is supposed to be rough.

      Anyways, I find this line of reasoning sick, and more importantly it's entirely ineffective at building a more stable and healthy society for law abiding citizens.

      Cheers.

    38. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      Human rights violations has nothing to do with our invading another countries.

      I do know that. I am just latching on to a sentiment I've heard in war supporters. I have heard people saying that Iraq's rape rooms were justification enough for the war. "How can we allow such barbaric activities to continue?!?" they've said.

      Of course they are completely ignorant or willfully blind of equally attrocious activities in other non-oil-producing nations and even our very own nation.

      Cheers.

    39. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. If prisons were coed, I wonder if we'd still be laughing about anal rape.

      Cheers.

    40. Re:Hope he gets slammed by cduffy · · Score: 1
      I'm posting about the people who stated specifically that they thought it was fine and funny for "criminals" (whatever that means) to be anal gang raped. Read some of the lower scored comments.
      Oh, those people.

      Please don't make sweeping generalizations that lump me in with them.

    41. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure where I did that?

      I understand the difference between individuals and groups. I said "we" allow anal gang rape in my original post referring to our nation, which of course contains many people who dissent such a position, of which I am one, and perhaps you are too.

      If one can talk about nations (or any group of people) at all one is going to have to do _some_ generalizing.

      Cheers.

    42. Re:Hope he gets slammed by cduffy · · Score: 1

      If one can talk about nations (or any group of people) at all one is going to have to do _some_ generalizing.

      One can single out the group to which the criteria applies (say, referring to "those who see rape as a criminal's just deserts"). Unless you have actual data (such as a survey run using published methodology by a respected research organization), any reference to what "the nation" may think is simply a guess.

    43. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      Again, I don't see where I generalized beyond stating that our nation (as a group) allows this, which is simply a statement of fact: it happens and there isn't much being done about it.

      And guess or no, it's pretty obvious. If you need hard data to see that not enough people care about stopping prison rape to get anything done about it, well, good luck to you.

      Cheers.

    44. Re:Hope he gets slammed by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Again, I don't see where I generalized beyond stating that our nation (as a group) allows this, which is simply a statement of fact: it happens and there isn't much being done about it.

      Would you argue that the average US citizen "allows" persecution of Christians in Burma, because it happens and there isn't much being done about it? Most of us aren't in a position to make an impact without going far out of our way.

      If you need hard data to see that not enough people care about stopping prison rape to get anything done about it, well, good luck to you.

      Well, there's a delta between "not enough people consider prison rape a Bad Thing" and "not enough people care enough to become politically active to help stop prison rape". Whatever constitutes "enough", I'd suggest that most individuals are opposed (consider it a Bad Thing) while very few are sufficiently concerned to become politically active on the topic. There's also a subset that are unopposed, but while they may be vocal when the subject is raised, I suggest that they're a small minority.

      Your post inferred that the population in general is not only unwilling to take political action, but unopposed. I disagree with that inference.

    45. Re:Hope he gets slammed by localman · · Score: 1

      Would you argue that the average US citizen "allows" persecution of Christians in Burma

      No, because it's a bit outside our jurisdiction. I'm talking about the US internally violating (by turning a blind eye) to it's own laws.

      I'd suggest that most individuals are opposed (consider it a Bad Thing) while very few are sufficiently concerned to become politically active on the topic.

      Maybe you're right. But since we're both just guessing, what's the point?

      My point was that a) some people in this country find prison rape acceptable and/or amusing and b) few people speak against prison rape itself or the people who find it acceptable and/or amusing.

      If my initial post was sloppy, well, it was a rant, as I stated. But you knew what my point was and felt like being pedantic about it. Very well. I stand corrected.

      Cheers.

    46. Re:Hope he gets slammed by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      If you see a dangerous/drunk driver,

      Just exactly how is that not a life-threatening emergency?

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    47. Re:Hope he gets slammed by Morosoph · · Score: 1
      I couldn't bring myself to meta-mod the insightful mod unfair, as this is a common error, but hitting a vehicle coming the other way at the same speed is not the same as hitting a wall at twice that speed. Rather it is like hitting a wall at exactly that speed since you both come to a stop either way around, and just as quickly.

      Here's a simple thought experiment to make this easier to see: picture a gauze between the two vehicles. As they crash, the gauze may tear, but it will not move very far. Replace the gauze with a brick wall. What is the difference for either vehicle? As long as they have the same mass, nothing.

      Now picture a car crashing headlong into a lorry. This is different. The car will experience a crash equivalent to one at almost twice its current speed, running into a wall. If both were going at 65 KPH, the car may experience a 120 KPH crash, with the lorry experiencing a 10 KPH crash. Neither experiences a 130 KPH crash, though.

  3. Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm."

    What? Mean and stupid doesn't cover it?

    It's like asking why that person cut you off in traffic endangering the lives of a half-dozen others... cuz their mean and stupid. It's not some huge racist or plot ...

    The guy probably thought he was hot shit writing a virus [instead of something productive like an OSS project that could benefit others...] and released something destructive.

    The balance in me wants to say "for every good there is a bad" but fuck it. The dude's just plain mean and stupid.

    Tom

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    1. Re:Gah? by MustardMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      "It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm."

      What? Mean and stupid doesn't cover it?


      I hate to admit it, but I often entertain myself when extremely bored with yahoo chat rooms and the like. Without fail, the biggest idiot script kiddies in the room, running stupid booter programs they downloaded off the web, are adults. They run the gamut from 20s through the 50s. It's really sad to see supposed adults taking such glee in childish bullshit.

    2. Re:Gah? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not some huge racist or plot

      I'm glad it's not some huge racist. I met this 6 foot 3, Nazi skinhead one time, and man was he a huge pain.

    3. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      That's largely the reason I stick to things like usenet/im/slashdot for "online" activities. To me online chat [irc] and gaming is just too um "fucked up"...

      Like the sort of folk who can figure out a 12 member clan, organize meetings, tourneys and the like but can't string 8 words properly on a resume to get a job...Let's not get into the "boom!! headshot!" crowd though...

      It's nothing impressive to write a worm. Let's see

      1. Program that cna send email [not hard]
      2. Program that does bad [not hard]
      3. Getting email user to click on it [not hard]

      Where exactly is the challenge? Hell, write a small lib for sending email and you could write a slew of different worms in a single sitting.

      If these punks only knew what is really impressive [e.g. accomplishment...] then we'd have some more productive stuff out there [or just less viruses].

      Tom

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    4. Re:Gah? by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
      Where exactly is the challenge?

      Do you think if it was more challenging to do this, it would have a more "cool" factor making it okay?

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    5. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Brain not work goodly.

      I meant to write "some huge racist or other motiviating" something

      basically I meant "he didn't have an elaborate agenda". Let's see

      1. Be prick
      2. Be mean prick

      That's about as deep as the common virus writer gets.

      Tom

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    6. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's not my point. Making a bomb and not killing yourself is hard enough. I don't think that's good either.

      The point is they think they g0t m4dz zk111z for writing some virus. When in reality a virus [specially for win32 users] isn't that hard to get out there.

      So maybe if they realize that if they want to show off "mad skillz" they should just do something more productive cuz at least then they can brag about it and get mad job that pays mad money so they can have mad good toys.

      Think about it.

      Even if a virus WAS hard to write ... what you're gonna go to your next employer and go "you know the power outlet of August 2005? That was me!" ... yeah total model employee...

      And you could kiss government jobs goodbye too. In Canada for instance they get the RCMP to do a background check and shit so they know your life story.

      In no way is it a smart thing todo and all it does is cause others harm. Hence Stupid and Mean.

      Tom

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    7. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      ... "power outage..."

      Stupid brain no worky... but you get the point already so shuddup :-)

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    8. Re:Gah? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Your comments imply that getting a job is a big motivation. Maybe it is for some people, while for others it is not. In any case, sadly, having written such a virus would probably be good resume fodder for a security consultant. Lots of people buy into the whole "evil hacker turned to good" stereotype.

      I've known people who played around with writing worms and viruses, mostly as harmless proof of concept code, running in a sequestered environment. Most of them did it, just to see if they could, and as a learning exercise. Certainly you can see the temptation to find out if it would really work in the wild? Maybe this guy was just a lousy amateur programmer who came up with the idea and could not resist trying it. It is a bonehead mistake, and dialing 911 is extra, extra dumb. Hmm, I had a point, but it escapes me now, so I'll shut up.

    9. Re:Gah? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      What? I did get some power outlets installed in August. And then the electrician who did it came back asking for a permanent job.

    10. Re:Gah? by northcat · · Score: 1

      Stop suffixing every post with "tom". It pisses us off. We don't care what your name is. Really.

    11. Re:Gah? by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1
      And you could kiss government jobs goodbye too.

      Heh, if only that were true. Maybe they check more thoroughly after 9/11, but some time a few decades ago, my dad landed a civilian government job in some military office while he was wanted for something or other relating to his more dubious anti-nuclear protest activities. (He was a bit of a radical hippie.) They fired him when he didn't show up to work one day. Of course, the reason he didn't show up was because the US Marshals had finally caught up with him. I don't think they ever figured it out...

    12. Re:Gah? by cakestick · · Score: 1

      S-O-C-I-O-P-A-T-H with a concentration in.. WebTV?

      Call the doctors!

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    13. Re:Gah? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Maybe he hates Microsoft and wanted to give one of their products a black eye?

      (I'm not saying that's a good thing to do - just that it is a motivation slightly more elaborate than "being a mean jerk".)

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    14. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Ok, will do.

      Tom

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    15. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      If that's the case he could make it dial a MSFT 1-800 number. Still annoying but less mean [to the end user, mean for MSFT]...

      But your reasoning is like "Instead of just randomly spraying the wall he wrote 'G8 Sucks!'"...It's still mean to deface someones property even if you have a "message".

      Likewise it's still mean to have people call 911 [and get a police visit] while wasting time when real emergencies could be happening.

      Tom

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    16. Re:Gah? by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      is it really accurate to still call it childish?

      Yes. While the majority of these idiots in the specific rooms I go to are adults, they by no means represent what MOST adults do. MOST adults are mature enough to find reasonable ways to interact with people. Just because the people doing it are adults, does not make it any less childish.

    17. Re:Gah? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      Replying to trolls and "trolling" are two different things. And my karma is excellent thank you...

      As for "CS grad blah blah blah". When I started posting last night it was 9PM ... it's 6AM now... I go to work during the day...

      Man you're coming up with lame shit to pick on. If you want some fuel... here's a freebie

      1. Shy fat dude never been laid
      2. Can't censor own speech in public
      3. Openly mocks business people
      4. Self-destructive tendencies
      5. Lives with parents
      6. Actually went to Community college
      7. Got 72% avg in said community college
      8. Never got driver license for fear of killing people ala GTA [seriously]
      9. Personal hygiene is highly optional
      10. Can't pwn noobs in Halo to save my life.

      There you trolls go, 10 things you can use in the future. Mix and match!

      Tom

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    18. Re:Gah? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Let's do a thought experiment. Imagine many thousands of fake calls to a MSFT 800 number from MSN TV via this worm. Now imagine the same thing except they are calls to 911.

      In the second scenario, there are constant announcements on TV saying that if you have an Microsoft Web TV, also known as an MSN TV - turn it off right now. Then they have some law enforcement folks come on and say the same thing.

      One is annoying for MS. The other is a PR Nightmare that there is no way to cover up and no way to ignore. There would probably be congressional hearings about how MS should improve security because "PEOPLE ARE DYING!"

      Having it call 911 really takes it to a whole other level - if the worm is widespread which fortunately this wasn't.

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  4. The motivation for this? by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    None. He's just a dick. This isn't a cool hack or anything meaningful in computer science. It's taking an exploit of some type and messing with people's lives. Those operators on the other end and the police who are dispatched shouldn't be wasting their time with this nonsense.

    Why do these people think that causing damage through an exploit is anything but stupid? It's not clever since they don't even find the exploits, they just use them.

    1. Re:The motivation for this? by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some people just like causing destruction. These are the same people who drop cherry bombs down toilets.

    2. Re:The motivation for this? by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Could it have been a mistake? I mean maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it, then it got out of hand. Could have been something as simple as I wonder if I could get webTV to dial a number. To be honest picking 911 was stupid. 411, or an 800 number might have been funny.

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    3. Re:The motivation for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      This isn't a cool hack or anything meaningful in computer science.

      Now setting it up to dial an offshore 900 number with himself as the fee collector . . . THAT would have been meaningful in computer science. And by computer science I mean booze and hookers.

    4. Re:The motivation for this? by rzbx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "None. He's just a dick."

      None is not an answer to that question, and dick is broad, relative, and just plain stupid. Maybe he is a "dick", but that does not clear up a complicated issue such as creating such a coordinated attack. There is obviously some sort of motivation behind something as direct as attacking 911 call centers. Although unreasonable as it sounds to a normal person, he himself did it for some reason. Please do not waste our time with such quick thoughtless posts.

      Were you motivated to post so quickly so that you could be modded up and be seen by most readers? Or did you actually feel it was important that we read your unintersting post?

      We all know there are people that are quite destructive. Calling them dicks does little to explain their reasoning though.

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    5. Re:The motivation for this? by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people are just griefers in real life. You know the type online, I'm sure. Well, some people are simply like that in reality. They just like destroying things and making other people unhappy.

      I think there was a good Calvin and Hobbes strip that kind of explains it, where Calvin explains that the best way to get rid of a bad mood is to give it to someone else.

      Same basic idea - some people feel happy by making other people miserable.

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    6. Re:The motivation for this? by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Cherry bombs in toilets? Doesn't the wick die when it hits the water?

      They make underwater fuses. I found them useful when using Estes rocket engines on model boats. Fireworks that have that thick black twisted fuse with twisted cotten will often stay lit underwater. Smokebombs and cherry bombs often do. I've seen some bottlerockets with underwater fuses which were useful for playing battleship on a pond.

      You can find Firecrackers with underwater fuses here.

      Now why anyone would put a cherry bomb in a toilet is beyond me. Either it will back flow and get shit everwhere including the dumb ass who dropped it, or it will break a pipe and get shit everywhere. I can not deny there are a few kids who will do this but I would think that anyone who did this would grow out of it at some point.

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    7. Re:The motivation for this? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      or you could do what what a dumbass in oklahoma did, and try to flush it in a urinal, get it stuck, and remove said urinal from the wall of the high school bathroom.

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    8. Re:The motivation for this? by waynelorentz · · Score: 1

      some people feel happy by making other people miserable.

      You just described my mother-in-law.

    9. Re:The motivation for this? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      dumbass in oklahoma

      That phrase is redundant.

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    10. Re:The motivation for this? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      ...some people feel happy by making other people miserable.

      Must be that the concept of Karma is lost on clueless people (not talking about Slashdot's rating system). And also not to say that Karma really exists in the big blue room, but maybe it's the inverse of stuff coming back to bite you in the ass.

      Well, except if your girlfriend comes back to bite you in the ass, that might be good, actually and it depends on the mutual nakedness of the people involved.

      [Discaimer] Personally, I don't recommend allowing ex-girlfriends to get near the nether regions unless one knows their true intentions.

    11. Re:The motivation for this? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      May be that the concept of Karma DOESN'T FREAKING EXIST?

      If you actually believe in it, Karma only affects your NEXT LIFE, not this one. You can do whatever you want in this life, and not a single bad thing will happen to you. Also, there's no such thing as "good" Karma, if you accumulate Karma it's always bad.

      Also, the entire idea of Karma was to keep a bunch of rich assholes in their positions and to oppress the rest of society.

      Please, please, please for the love of God learn something next time? Also, don't make unfunny jokes.

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    12. Re:The motivation for this? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      I guess there must be 3 types of Karma:

      - religion-based
      - slashdot-based
      - intangible stuff-based

      To me, "Karma" (especially in a forum such as Slashdot) surely should refer to doing work for which you do not expect remuneration but hope that your efforts will be appreciated and maybe reciprocated but that's not a requirement.

      In this context, I've been doing Karma-positive things (as have many others) for the past 5 years or so via my website and not expecting anything tangible as a result.

      Thanks for the advice about learning and not posting unfunny jokes, that has been a real help.

    13. Re:The motivation for this? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      No. Karma is a Buddhist concept. Just becuase you made up your own definition doesn't make it so. Please become educated.

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  5. Guess by Aeiri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    My guess is he wanted to flood the 911 service with useless calls, and in the long run potentially harm people because they can't get through to 911.

    1. Re:Guess by DansnBear · · Score: 1

      My guess is he wanted to flood the 911 service with useless calls, and in the long run potentially harm people because they can't get through to 911

      I hardly think WebTV could create a "flood" of calls. . . does any one have accurate stats as to the number of active WebTV. . . sorry . . . MSN TV users?

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    2. Re:Guess by commonchaos · · Score: 1

      I think it was actually due to the size of IP datagrams, if you do a google search for the "+++ATH0 exploit" you can find more information, I dont think that "+++ATDT5551212" would fit in a datagram.

    3. Re:Guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Assuming someone who uses WebTV is likely to also have family that does so, and assuming this thing also mails the infected box's address book... It could theoretically cause a flood.

      I live near DC and I read once in the Post that DC only has something like 8-10 911 operators on at any one time. If 4-5 boxes were calling 911 continously, that would cause some issues, I would think.

  6. hehe by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow, can you say get out of your parents basement and get a girlfri....

    Sorry wait, this is slashdot.

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    1. Re:hehe by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      // To save bytes and typing
      #include "prison_girlfriend.h"
      #include "not_that_prison_rape_is_funny.h"

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    2. Re:hehe by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points and didn't post in this topic I'd mod you up

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  7. Motive is quite simple by 7Ghent · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..to see if he could.

    That's what virus writing used to be all about. Darn kids and their spam n' such. Why in MY day we wrote virii for the pure joy of destruction and chaos!

    1. Re:Motive is quite simple by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      I really hope your joking, because otherwise, I hate you.

    2. Re:Motive is quite simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why in MY day we wrote virii for the pure joy of destruction and chaos!

      And in MY day, we knew what the plural of "virus" was.

    3. Re:Motive is quite simple by meadowsp · · Score: 1

      You are == you're

  8. You'd seriously think... by Bonker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... That only a WebTV user would be naive enough to open an attachment like that.

    Sadly, I've found that the great majority of people I know apparently have the intelligence of a WebTV user.

    This either means that even rudimentary computer security is far too complex for the average person, or that I need to get some new friends.

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    1. Re:You'd seriously think... by Eriky · · Score: 1

      Just because you are a computer guy doesn't mean other people are stupid. I bet the person who fixes your car is saying the same kind of stuff about you

    2. Re:You'd seriously think... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      > Just because you are a computer guy doesn't mean
      > other people are stupid. I bet the person who
      > fixes your car is saying the same kind of stuff
      > about you

      Ah young Padawan Learner, go to groups.google.com and search on "webtv" and you will be enlightened.

      As a group of Internet users, WebTVers occupy a similar ecological niche to pre-Cambrian tidal slime.

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    3. Re:You'd seriously think... by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

      You'd also think that a WebTV box wouldn't be able to run executable attachments. Apparently not.

    4. Re:You'd seriously think... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      No, the person who fixes your car would probably think "Oh my god, they noticed the warning light!"

      I mean, most modern incarnations of anything approaching an email client will shout at you if there's attachments it doesn't trust. Even Hotmail warns you. Ignoring the warning boxes is like ignoring the fact that your entire car's dashboard is flashing "Engine Warning". It's user stupidity.

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    5. Re:You'd seriously think... by Bonker · · Score: 1

      I've never once gone up to a car guy and said, "I can fix this. I just need you to show me where it is."

      I also obey posted traffic laws and keep my car within state requirements. If there's a problem with my car revealed by a scheduled state inspection, I *do* fix it if I know how to, or pay someone else to do it for me.

      Now I have gone to a car shop and said 'I hear a certain sound coming from underneath my car from what sounds like the left rear wheel. Would you please check in that area for problems?'

      He'll come back to me and say he can't locate a problem, or that I have a problem with my bearings and charge me $180 an hour to fix them. At which point I'm on my own to try to decide if I trust him or not.

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    6. Re:You'd seriously think... by northcat · · Score: 1

      This either means that even rudimentary computer security is far too complex for the average person, or that I need to get some new friends.

      Neither. People are stupid. The end.

    7. Re:You'd seriously think... by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the warning boxes is like ignoring the fact that your entire car's dashboard is flashing "Engine Warning". It's user stupidity.

      Only if your dashboard flashes "Engine Warning" every freaking time you look at it and when you ask the first 10 times mechanic he says, "Just ignore it - it doesn't mean anything." Because that's what we (as software developers) do to users all the time. We warn them about stuff that is irrelevant to them to such a high degree that they can't possibly make reasonable decisions.

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  9. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    People from Louisiana can use a computer! Who'd have thought it!!

    8)

    1. Re:In other news by lb16 · · Score: 1

      WebTV? There's no WebTV here! We're all poor. Real Poor. We got lots of crack though. Oh, and gangs too.

    2. Re:In other news by Alucard454 · · Score: 1

      as a louisiana native and former computer consultant, the only way i can answer your post is with tears.

      cold, bitter tears.

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    3. Re:In other news by trudyscousin · · Score: 1

      Ronnie Scelson comes to mind.

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  10. DoS by Guanix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps he wanted to create a Denial of Service attack against the 911 system.

    1. Re:DoS by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Perhaps he wanted to create a Denial of Service
      > attack against the 911 system.

      If he'd done it against the American Idol voting hotline, he would have been doing a public service.

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    2. Re:DoS by mrtroy · · Score: 1

      Well not to be a jerk but....

      It wouldnt be a denial of service against the 911 system, it would be a distributed denial of service.

      It would be tough to specifically deny service to 911, going to their building and cutting all phone lines would do it.

      But, with a distribution of users phoning, it could create a denial of service if there were enough.

      On its own, phoning 911 isnt a denial of service. Writing a worm to get thousands of users to do it is.

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  11. Hmmm by dfn5 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I guess the "Microsoft let me do it" defense didn't work. He should've tried Chewy defense.

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  12. 21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by lottameez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to TFA, only 21 people actually received this thing. I've cause more damage most days just driving to work.

    Next on slashdot: Bill Gates picks nose, AGAIN! Film at 11.

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    1. Re:21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, more than 21 people need to call 911 when you drive to work? Are you that bad at driving?

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    2. Re:21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by mattOzan · · Score: 1
      And those 21 actually received it directly from the writer--he emailed it to them! AFAIK there was no mechanism for replication, save for a WebTV subscriber sending the attachment to his friend as a favor.
      "Hey Cletus, this is supposed to change your WebTV screen colors! Didn't work on mine, but give it a try! Um, I'll talk to you later- someone's at my front door..."
      Yeah, NOT a worm...
    3. Re:21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by Xeo+024 · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Next on slashdot: Bill Gates picks nose, AGAIN! Film at 11.


      I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that he hires people to pick his nose for him.
    4. Re:21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by Zutfen · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they don't tell them they're working for Microsoft.
      They use a third party.

      And the Linux admins they hire to do it, cost significantly more than the Windows admins they hire to do it. You know, in a double blind, salary comparison... of... uh... nosepicking sysadmins.

      Yeah, that's it!

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    5. Re:21 recipients=Worm outbreak? by Otter · · Score: 1
      We're not talking about DDOS'ing Akamai here -- I would imagine 21 dialers is enough to bring down a local 911 center.

      If he _had_ succeeded in spreading this thing nationwide (plus whatever countries use '911' as their emergency number and support WebTV) I'd propose sending the idiot to Abu Ghraib.

  13. (CHIP) Unit by PMJ2kx · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they ever have a reality TV show based on this, I hope they won't call Eric Estrada and tell him "CHiP's" is being remade...

    CHIP unit? Never heard of it.

  14. Re:Unclear? by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Probably because it is somewhat funny?

    Sorry. I must disagree. Flooding the Larry King Show with fake calls is somewhat funny. Flooding a 911 center with fake calls is NOT.

  15. Email Friends Virus - Get Busted! by dukeluke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ROTFL - seriously, if you're going to email your 25 closest friends - shouldn't you first make sure your virus doesn't directly involve the police coming to their door? Granted, it might be considered a funny prank - but at least make sure you can't be traced as easily as the from: 'Best Friend in Louisianna'.

  16. why does age matter? by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
    I could see the courts giving him some leniency if he was 12, but at 43 years of age

    wrong is wrong. if a 12 year old did this, it is just as much damage. hey, just a few days ago a court sent to prison a 13 year old who killed his grandparents because zoloft made him flip out. if a 13 year old gets nailed while on a doctor prescribed drug, who is going to give a 12 year old a break who is in their right state of mind?

    i think what would be interesting is laws that punish parents for what thier kids do. but that could ruin a whole family, i could see someone losing their townhouse and having a mom out on the streets with 3 other kids because one of her kids is a nerd.

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    1. Re:why does age matter? by oooooops · · Score: 1

      because Zoloft made him flip out OR because he tried to say that in his defense? pay attention to the trial and you'll note that his doctor didn't up the kid's dosage and his lawyer was trying to say - read the facts first

    2. Re:why does age matter? by michrech · · Score: 1

      Actually, they sent a 15 year old to prison. He was 12 when he knowingly killed his grandparents because they scolded him. He knew what he did was wrong and stole their car (after burning down the house) and tried to run away.

      I think your idea for laws to punish parents is good. The mother won't be 'out on the street', she'd be in jail, or whatever. The kid should end up in Juvi (or however the short version of it is spelled). The remaining children can either go to family or be taken into custody by the state.

      If this happens often enough, it will hurt some families, but I think it will curb some of the crime.

      Screw time out! It doesn't work, or these kids wouldn't be out killing their parents. I don't recall, when I was a kid (back in the 80's) anything like this happening. ('course, I didn't pay attention to the news as much either, and if it did happen, I'll bet it wasn't anywhere *near* as often).

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    3. Re:why does age matter? by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 1

      So you believe that splitting up families, incarcerating parents for the [stupid] actions of their offspring and putting children into "the system" for the remainder of their pre-adult life - all on a mass scale (If this happens often enough) - it will benefit society?

    4. Re:why does age matter? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      hey, just a few days ago a court sent to prison a 13 year old who killed his grandparents because zoloft made him flip

      No, he and his lawyer claimed that Zoloft made him 'flip out'. The judge decided that was BS.

      if a 13 year old gets nailed while on a doctor prescribed drug, who is going to give a 12 year old a break who is in their right state of mind?

      That's what judges are for. To look at all the relevant facts in a case, and sentence accordingly. Facts that we, the general public, are not privy to.

    5. Re:why does age matter? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be a mass scale..

      Here we've started handing out jail sentences to the parents of persistent truants. There have been reports of parents tracking their children down and dragging their children to school by their ears (which is probably bad parenting in itself, but at least they're in school not trashing cars).

    6. Re:why does age matter? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      course, I didn't pay attention to the news as much either, and if it did happen, I'll bet it wasn't anywhere *near* as often

      This merely shows you weren't paying attention. Back then, things like this did happen and people like you ranted about how they didn't happen in the 50s.

      But they did happen in the 50s. And in the 40s. And the 1750s.

      The people with the highest murder rate in the history of humanity were hunter-gatherers.

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    7. Re:why does age matter? by caffeineHacker · · Score: 1

      What the hell does truancy have do with delinquent behavior. The U.S. school system is a joke(At least it was when I was in it, but I'm sure it's gotten worse in 5 years), why should someone be punished for not going? An American school is a synonym for jail. People go, raped of their normal rights(Random searches, ask for bathroom permission, etc.) and cannot leave without a gaurdian, yet it's somehow wrong for them to want to leave, and thus they are punished? And don't say they need to go for education, with coaches teaching half the classes it's no wonder most kids don't give a shit, also god knows it doesn't prepare them for any sort of 4-year college. I am mostly talking about highschooler's though, but I assumed you meant the same since you mentioned trashing cars. As I see it if a kid can keep up their grades(Which is easy, go in once a week to turnin in your homework take your tests), I don't see the point for them to have to punish themselves 7 hours a day 5 days a week just because that's the norm. Get some REAL teachers(Like Finland), let them feel they have a little more control(Can go out to lunch, instead of in a cafeteria with crap food and 400 kids), and maybe the truancy problem will fix itself

    8. Re:why does age matter? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Truancy arguably has a lot to do with deliquent behavior. When these kids are ducking out of school, what are they doing? Visiting museums or hanging around the streets with too much time on their hands? Who is supervising them?

      Children need structure and they need supervision. While you can leave some to their own devices, the majority will need guidance.

      What you're suggesting is that we replace a flawed system with chaos.

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  17. Re:Unclear? by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, it would have been funny if it called up the local Pizza Hut. Or maybe if it randomly dialed people and asked if their refrigerator was running. This, on the other hand, was just dangerous.

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  18. Re:Okay kids, repeat after me... by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
    I do not look smart when I try to show off my knowledge of Latin and get it wrong.

    Look up. Do you see that? It's the joke. It's going over your head.

  19. Re:This is why hacking is evil by AviLazar · · Score: 1

    What is this dialing you speak of? Your computer dials? How does one make a computer dial? Why would one make a computer dial?

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  20. If only... by Facekhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He had reprogramed them to dial romanian sex chat numbers he would have been invited to join the Direct Marketing Association.

  21. He got his name on Slashdot by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, it was one way of getting his name on Slashdot. Come on, how many of us lowly cretins here in the comments section have ever been referred to by our full names in a Slashdot post? Yeah, I can count all two of you out there. The guy's a douchebag, but, by jove, he's a famous douchebag!

    1. Re:He got his name on Slashdot by micromoog · · Score: 1
      The guy's a douchebag, but, by jove, he's a famous douchebag!

      Like Peter Cooper!

    2. Re:He got his name on Slashdot by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      I'm touched, but no, I'm just a douchebag, and not a famous one. Roland Piquepaille, on the other hand... ;-)

  22. motivation by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 1, Funny

    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    Simple... Why does a dog lick his own nuts? Because he can.

    1. Re:motivation by SmokeHalo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Grand Theft Auto made him do it!

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    2. Re:motivation by supmylO · · Score: 1

      I think licking your own nuts will feel better than what this guy is going to experience in jail..

    3. Re:motivation by Shazow · · Score: 1

      I don't have any mod points but...

      hahaha!

    4. Re:motivation by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

      When you get mod points, come back to me and award them retroactively. ;)

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  23. Stupid, stupid, stupid by __aammuz5019 · · Score: 1

    You know, there is stupid, and then there's STUPID. Let's take tings one at a time. First this fellow created and released a virus that caused WebTV devices to call 911. This, of course is stupid on it's face, because flooding 911 with a lot of fake calls can obviously cause delays for real emergencies to get through, and possibly contribute to people dying or other physical destruction that might have been avoided. As well, there's another stupidity here: did this guy think that there are actually enough WebTVs to cause mass mayhem? I'd guess they are probably widely dispersed around the country so any given 911 location might only have a few machines that would be calling in, and then only if he achieves 100% coverage. Stupid. Again. And finally, the only way I could get my parents to communicate online was with a WebTV. These folks are not really tech savvy, and they often call me on the phone to ask what to do with this attachment thingie they received. I'd guess there are a fair number of WebTV users out there who might also not know what to do with an attachment, or not notice that it's there, and might never even open it up. This will also cut back on the virus coverage. Stupid. Again. I guess this fellow either was not smart enough to figure this coverage issue out - or maybe he went for low coverage because he really was not trying to do much damage? Nah. Stupid. Just plaun stupid. smp

  24. Proof Of Concept by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    Perhaps we was trying to prove the concept that it is possible to DoS the 911 service. Perhaps he was doing this because he was aware of the danger to himself and others, and wanted to prove the point to the herds of people that were buying these things, not caring about the potential danger to society. Perhaps he wanted to make news in the hope of saving more lives from an even worse situation which might have been created by not doing anything at all and waiting for 10 years.

    Or perhaps he was just being a dick. Oh well, I guess we will never know.

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    1. Re:Proof Of Concept by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Even if he was doing this as a proof of concept, your second possibility would still be true - he would be a dick making a stupid proof of concept...

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    2. Re:Proof Of Concept by MarkByers · · Score: 1

      If he had dialled 111, it wouldn't have made the news, and people would have been oblivious to the security problem.

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  25. Try living in Louisiana. by nathan+s · · Score: 1

    Most likely he was motivated by sheer boredom. There isn't a lot to do in Louisiana if you actually live there (as opposed to being a tourist). I speak from sad experience.:-P

    1. Re:Try living in Louisiana. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Modded troll? There is no justice in the world.

      Wish I had a mod point.

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  26. The devil made him do it. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Metairie is the old suburb adjoining New Orleans. Jeansonne was probably possessed at the time he wrote the worm.

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  27. Leniency != Exoneration by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you're 12 it might seem like a prank, and you don't want to ruin the kid's life but hit him hard enough that he realizes that what he did is dead serious and never thinks of doing it again. He certainly deserves to be punished, but not as severely as a 43 year old who should be capable of fully understanding the consequences of his actions.

    1. Re:Leniency != Exoneration by pcmanjon · · Score: 1

      'If you're 12 it might seem like a prank, and you don't want to ruin the kid's life but hit him hard enough that he realizes that what he did is dead serious and never thinks of doing it again. He certainly deserves to be punished, but not as severely as a 43 year old who should be capable of fully understanding the consequences of his actions.'

      What if he is like Michial Jackson, and has the 'mind of a child'? ;-)

  28. Maybe this? by The_Incubator · · Score: 1
    "It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm."

    Umm...Timbuktu used to recover stolen iMac

  29. One thing is clear. by Facekhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A prank done to annoy people results in a much greater sentence than a thousand petty crimes done for profit under a corporate banner.

    1. Re:One thing is clear. by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

      Making prank calls to 911 is both stupid and dangerous. I somehow doubt if you'd be so inclined to dismiss it as a "prank" if you were unable to get through to 911 while one of your loved ones were having a heart attack because some schmuck sent out a virus that tied up the lines.

      This is something that richly deserves jail time. Your "corporate crimes" comment is pretty nonsensical.

  30. Re:Unclear? by agraupe · · Score: 1
    Or asked them if they had stairs in their house.

    If you don't get it, don't mod it.

  31. Re:Unclear? by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    Swirlies are SO 2004. When this master cracker is convicted and sent to prison, just put the programs that keep track of prisoner feeding schedules and parole hearings on an unpatched Windows box connected to the Internet.

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  32. I can't understand... by ajaf · · Score: 1

    So dificult is to write a virus and not to be arrested?

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    1. Re:I can't understand... by JThundley · · Score: 1

      I can't understand...
      Why you can't speaking fucking English! Fuck!

    2. Re:I can't understand... by ajaf · · Score: 1

      can you speak spanish or another language? if not, shut the fuck up.

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  33. In the UK by Skiron · · Score: 2, Funny

    When the worm hit the UK, the tape answer machine overheated "You have dialled an incorrect number... you have dialled an incorrect number... you have dialled an inco.....Pppppppppppppppppp"

    1. Re:In the UK by Inda · · Score: 1

      You should test that really. The person on the other end actually says "What service do you require?". 999 or 911 it makes no difference here.

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  34. Re:This is just dumb. by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You mean like printers should not be allowed to print images of money?

    Where will it end? Frankly, I'd rather never see it get started.

    As soon as the OS becomes your own personal government controlled police force, then we'll really be sorry.

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  35. I'm sure he has his reasons... by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Probably something along the lines of, "I dunno..."

  36. Jeez, calm down man. by Mz6 · · Score: 1

    ...and you wonder why your heart is a mess?

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    1. Re:Jeez, calm down man. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      lol. It just gets on my nerves is all, I've seen people call ambulances to change a bloody light bulb before and they have to do it because of how they are. Every time someone calls for help even if it's stupid they must respond here. This is already wasting time and we have fines now put in place, a 50 year old man doing stuff like this just gets my back up. Can you blame me? Oh and to the AC who called me uneducated and stupid. Nice for you to have some balls and not just use AC.. oh wait :)

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  37. Re:Unclear? by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

    Ummm...actually no it's not funnny at all.

  38. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    You mean like printers should not be allowed to print images of money?

    That's not what I said. I said it should require explicit authorization from the user. For example, a dialog box which says "Your modem is attempting to dial 911 -- do you wish to allow this operation?"

    It's no different than having a safety on a gun. The printer comparison is just a strawman.

  39. Heh by imemyself · · Score: 2, Funny

    A few years ago with an old mini-laptop type thing(Windows CE 3), I was trying to get it to dial in to my ISP. I was messing with the dial options(like dial 9 before a #, etc), and didn't notice that it would be dialing like 1-911-#... So, when I dialed I could hear the 911 person, but since I had no mic, I had to hang up and let them call me back. Definately one of those "Oh shit" moments.

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  40. Re:In Soviet Russia... by karnal · · Score: 1

    Or we could just outright ignore them, and they'd go away.

    Some people have a reason to use the AC - in case they're posting about something they don't want blatently linked to, etc.

    But yes, ACs can be annoying. Usually it's just trolling though....

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  41. Re:Unclear? by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

    Uhhh
    what's your point?
    If you're implying that this guy shouldn't be sent to jail because he is probably "weak" and will get beat up; then THAT is funny. This isn't some harmless prank or victimless crime. By flooding the 911 lines real emergencies are not responded to.
    This guy is an idiot. I have little sympathy for him.

    Or maybe you're trying to say that autodialing 911 is somehow like beating up the neighborhood weird kid? I don't know.

    so to sum up:
    This guy is an idiot, and should go to jail.

  42. Re:This is just dumb. by PitaBred · · Score: 1

    A phone shouldn't be allowed to call any number it's dialled to call? Does that sounds a little big-brother-ish? What if I bring my computer over to the UK, where the emergency number isn't 911? How we just build a system that makes it difficult for people to run arbitrary attachments and unsafe programs? Oh, wait... that's just not running as administrator and/or using something like Linux. But by all means, let's make MORE laws. Just what we need.

  43. Am I missing something? by HairyCanary · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does this have anything to do with my rights online?

    1. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You have the right to think this guy is a total dweebe.

    2. Re:Am I missing something? by ebrandsberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about "sociopath goes to jail after doing something malicious on the Internet" which ironically, covers quite a few stories on Slashdot.

  44. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    I know it's not the universal number. Obviously the thing would have to be programmed with whatever the local emergency response number is.

    And I should clarify that I am not advocating a law here, just saying it would be nice if OS makers would voluntarily add this sort of safety feature. As I said to the other person who responded to my comment, this is no different than a safety on a gun. It doesn't restrict your use, it simply helps prevent accidents.

    Imagine if there was a radio signal you could emit that would cause all handguns in the vicinity to fire -- that's essentially what this virus did. How is it unreasonable to put a safety system in place?

    Something funny comes to mind, where a modem could be DOSed by a virus that tells the OS that ALL numbers are emergency.

    It's a tradeoff. It seems preferable to DoS people's modems than the emergency response service.

  45. Re:Unclear? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    He references the very funny Terrible Secret of Space.

  46. Tape answering machine? by jgoemat · · Score: 1

    What exactly does that mean? If you dial '911' in the UK, do you get called back by someone saying "You have dialled an incorrect number"? That's awfully strange.

    1. Re:Tape answering machine? by radish · · Score: 1

      Not called back, but you would get a recording saying the number wasn't recognized (I haven't actually tested this mind you). All regular area codes start 0, so if you started with 911 it would wait for the rest of the (presumably local) number. In the end it would give up and tell you to redial.

      The emergency number there is 999, or 112 (the european standard).

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    2. Re:Tape answering machine? by c4miles · · Score: 1

      911 actually works, and has done for quite some time. 999 is the traditional number in the UK, and I'd guess it's marginally easier for little kids to remember; if you're really in danger I'd guess it's also marginally easier to dial, as well.

    3. Re:Tape answering machine? by radish · · Score: 1

      Really? That's interesting. Must have been done for american tourists as it's not advertised anywhere :)

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  47. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    A phone shouldn't be allowed to call any number it's dialled to call? Does that sounds a little big-brother-ish?

    Don't unfairly truncate my statement. I said without explicit authorization. And I never mentioned the word "law" anywhere, nor had I even imagined making this a law. That came from YOUR mind.

    What if I bring my computer over to the UK, where the emergency number isn't 911?

    In that case you would presumably be running the UK version of Windows which would be programmed with the appropriate emergency number.

  48. +++ATH0 Exploit by commonchaos · · Score: 1
    This sounds like he was using the +++ATH0 exploit to dial the numbers, if the text "+++ATH0" appears in a single IP datagram sent to a modem user, then the modem will hang up. He probabably just followed the "+++ATH0" with "ATDT911". If I remember correctly, due to the size of a datagram, he would not have been able to use a full 7 digit number.

    See also:
    http://www.attrition.org/security/denial/w/mod-ath .dos.html


    From: Pete Gonzalez gonz@JEFFERSON.ML.ORG
    To: BUGTRAQ@netspace.org
    Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:36:40 -0400
    Subject: Re: 1+2=3, +++ATH0=Old school DoS

    I have a Diamond SupraExpress 56k modem (purchased a month ago) which
    dials an Erol's account. I tried the exploit posted by Max Schau, and it
    worked first try.

    Also, it occurs to me that this vulnerability could possibly be used to
    make the person's modem hang up and dial 911. :-)
  49. Re:This is just dumb. by iMaple · · Score: 2, Informative

    The operating system should not allow a modem to dial an emergency response number without explicit authorization from the user

    I dont think so. First of all, 911 is not an emergency number everywhere in the world. For example in may countries 100 is the emergency number. And 100 (at least with my provider ) links me to the directory service or something. So we would need to select the blocked numbers based on the country of residence. Which jest means more complications. And ofcourse ppl might want to use the computer as an emergency service (Not with MS Win though ;)) , like dial 911 if the microphones in your yard detect a shotgun going off or if your paranoid enough , no one refreshes the /. page for 15 mins (in case of a kidnapping or something u know)

  50. liability???? by jonathanduty · · Score: 1

    I wonder if someone could argue that he is liable for any deaths or sustained injuries caused because people could not get through to the 911 service while these attacks were going on?

  51. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    I dont think so. First of all, 911 is not an emergency number everywhere in the world.

    Thus my use of the term "emergency response number" instead of "911" in the very sentence you quoted. Why are people so quick to criticize when they haven't even read my statement carefully?

    And ofcourse ppl might want to use the computer as an emergency service (Not with MS Win though ;)) , like dial 911 if the microphones in your yard detect a shotgun going off

    Then, of course, it could be disabled. I never, anywhere, suggested that this should be legally mandatory. It is precisely the same concept as a safety on a gun (except than gun safeties, I think, ARE mandated by law).

    Honestly, I don't see why everyone is so riled about my comment. They are reading into it what they want to see, not what I actually meant.

  52. Re:This is just dumb. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

    I dont know..

    Well, for Linux at least, perhaps making a requirement in the driver so that when X number is dialed, it requires root passwd.

    So, even if youre root, you get re-authorization that you actually intend to call 911.

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  53. Director... what's my motivation? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    He's an asshole?

    1. Re:Director... what's my motivation? by serutan · · Score: 1

      He's an asshole?

      I think you're on to something!

    2. Re:Director... what's my motivation? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Well, then, I shall seek a government grant to explore it! :)

  54. Ummm.... by slapout · · Score: 1

    ....why does the WebTV allow an attachment to reprogram itself?

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  55. Oy! Leave off Louisiana! by Dr_Ish · · Score: 1

    Wait a moment here. Just because this fool was from Louisiana doesn't really justify all the Louisiana jokes. As a Brit who has lived in this State for 8 years and taught in a University, I can tell you that not everone here is dumb. Not only that, of any State I have been to Louisiana is one of the most interesting. We have Cajun food, Cajun music, Zydeco music and Creole music. We have amazing festivals, many of which are completely free (see http://www.festivalinternational.com -- the site sucks, but the festival rocks). OK, the place is a bit ferral and rough at the edges and our politics can be a little 'interesting' (as the saying goes, 'We have the best politicians money can buy'), but that helps make this a unique State. It sure beats the strip mall culture that you find elsewhere. On our campus, we have 'gators -- this is wild and wierd. Perhaps some of you should come visit. But please do not insult a place you do not know because of one fool.

    1. Re:Oy! Leave off Louisiana! by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 1

      HELLO!? Louisiana!

  56. Re:In Soviet Russia... by ThousandStars · · Score: 1

    We already have that option. Check prferences -> comments -> set the AC mod to -6 and your threshold preference to 0. Bam, you don't have to see ACs anymore -- but that doesn't mean they aren't there...

  57. Re:In Soviet Russia... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

    Click that button marked "Preferences". Yep, that one. Click that. Now, "Messages"...good. Now see that "threshold" button? Set it to the "1". There, look at that, no more AC's unless someone's seen fit to mod 'em up!

    Unfortunately, that doesn't always ENTIRELY solve the problem of, say, people ranting way the hell off the topic. But it sure helps.

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  58. Really? Is that what he was doing??? Never guessed by google · · Score: 1

    Why is the parent +4 Insightful?????? This should be -2:Redundant. Or at least -1:Idiotic. Or maybe, just maybe, +5:Droll Brit Humor.

    All moderators who modded the parent comment up should be dragged into the street and shot.

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  59. Question? by lb16 · · Score: 1

    What does it say about your intelligence; that you would get so obviously upset about some silly comments on a website. Oh cares! Why would you arbitrarily attack someones intelligence? Does it make you feel like a big man? Oh yeah, way to post a AC "Big Man".

  60. Re:This is why hacking is evil by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2, Funny

    via a modem perhaps?

    Mo-dem? What is this mo-dem of which you speak?

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  61. Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    Like he's going to pull some great reason out of his ass. What could he possibly say that would make reasonable people say "Ohhh! No wonder!"?

  62. Idle mind is devil's workshop? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    One problem with offshoring is that idle, bored, lonely programmers are not something you want to have too much of as a nation.

  63. Re:This is just dumb. by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    But perhaps such a safety feature should be incorporated directly into all modems

    It reminds me of some tech support story where someone enabled dial 9 for an outside line, long distance so dial 1 and for the number they used the syntax 1-xxx-xxxx. So the modem would end up dialing 9-1-1. I don't know if it's a true story but it sounds possible.

    I'm not sure it would be a good idea to have modems start restricting your ability to dial 911.
    It would be a damn useful feature for an alarm system. Someone breaks in triggers an alarm and boom 911 gets dialed.

    And also while 911 a popular emergency number... not everyone uses 911 in the same way. You could be restricting calling legit numbers.

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  64. Re:Really? Is that what he was doing??? Never gues by northcat · · Score: 1

    Now watch as parent and this post go down as "offtopic".

  65. My Boy by jmattzeller · · Score: 1

    Dave was in my drug class and I was in a halfway house with him until he was sent to California in November. hope he gets out of it...somehow. Still learned a few things from him before he left >:)

  66. Re:possible answer by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

    I have always thought some of these guys do it to draw attention towards their programming "skills".
    They may do it in order to get a job later on working for an anti-virus company ( think of the retired burglars on that new discovery channel show " it takes a theif").

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  67. Re:This is why hacking is evil by idlake · · Score: 1

    Yes, viruses designed by idiots for computer systems with security evidently designed by morons. How fitting.

  68. The good news is... by TouchOfRed · · Score: 2, Funny

    He just saved 15% on his car insurance!

  69. Why? by Sheepdot · · Score: 1

    I think it's been stated before that he released this primarily as a POC and since 911 automatically sends officers to the doorstep, they are guaranteed to call Microsoft and complain.

    Unlike other viruses where nothing damaging happens, this one actually got Microsoft to get their rears in action fixing real issues.

    It doesn't help that IE exploits come out once a month and Microsoft takes anywhere from one to two months to fix them. Or in the case of some exploits, just ignores them.

  70. Some details by Trailwalker · · Score: 4, Informative
    WebTv has its own alt.discuss news groups. The associations formed by WebTv users in them are very intense.

    One extremely egotistical type generated a great deal of dislike, if not outright hate. Jeansonne was part of this individual's clique. The actual "exploit" is very simple to do and well known. Jeansonne was just the first person to combine the requisite amount of vindictiveness and stupidity to actually do this. Almost all WebTv users have html signitures that rival web pages in their complexity. A simple
    <embed>
    webtv-trick://reset-phone "911"
    </embed>

    was all that was necessary.

    Having the police arrived unexpectedly at their door was very unsettling for the mostly female recipients of the email. Some were accused of making the calls on their own and threatened with arrest for missusing the 911 system.

    This was not a virus, but a direct personal attack against the victims of the email.
    1. Re:Some details by Winkhorst · · Score: 1

      It makes one wonder when something this (as you so elegantly point out) obvious gets twisted all around by the media and the police and everyone else who pretends to be in the know but really doesn't know diddly. Thanks for such an enlightening post amonst the usual Slashdot point missing and tangent tracking.

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  71. POC?? Are you Nutz? by serutan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't care what he says. Dialing HIS OWN PHONE and then publishing the call stats would be a proof of concept. Dialing 911, taking police away from other situations where people really need them is not a proof of concept, it's called "being an asshole."

  72. Re:This is just dumb. by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    Not true- if you have to dial 9 to reach an outside line, you have to dial 9-911 to call 911.

    But... if you don't have to dial 9 to reach an outside line, and do it anyway... click the checkbox to prefix with a 1, and in the number field have 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx, the end result would be 9,1-1-xxx-xxx-xxxx.

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  73. Re:This is just dumb. by Silentnite · · Score: 1

    1. This was sent to -25- people. As a deliberate attack.
    2. If you want it installed in YOUR computer go ahead.
    3. My computer doesn't dial any number's that -I- don't want it to.
    4. Don't give the government more power then it's already trying to take.

  74. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    What if you had a remote heart monitor that was supposed to call 911 without your intervention and the OS/Modem software then didn't allow it?

    If you're running a remote heart monitor on a platform which is susceptible to viruses, you already have significant problems.

    Your desire is not thought out at all and that sort of knee jerk "it shouldn't be allowed to do that" reaction is what is taking us down OS/application/ISP regulation rules hell.

    For I think the fourth time now, I NEVER said this should be a law or required by regulation. It's just common sense. If you require your computer to be able to dial the emergency response number for whatever reason, you could just disable the interlock. Which is all this is -- a safety interlock.

    If you think I'm advocating regulation, you're hallucinating.

  75. Re:Unclear? by agraupe · · Score: 1

    Or, more specifically, the ICQ prank on which that flash movie (I assume that links to the flash movie) is based. You may find it at www.somethingawful.com in the ICQ pranks section (I believe it is called Attack of the Space Robots or something like that).

  76. Obvious Answer #23 by 3.2.3 · · Score: 1
    It still unclear what motivated this 43-year-old to launch such a bizarre worm.

    Bob.

  77. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    4. Don't give the government more power then it's already trying to take.

    GAAAAAH. Please excuse my profanity for a moment: where the FUCK did I mention the government? Where did I mention a law? Where did I ever indicate that this should be anything other than a safety feature, enabled by default, which could be disabled by the user if they want?

    Do you have a problem with safeties on guns? Those are MANDATED by law. This wouldn't be.

    Oh, and don't even TRY the argument that you shouldn't be forced to turn off a setting if you don't want to -- if you use Windows you ALREADY have to do a ton of shit just to make the system secure. This is one little tiny thing you would have to disable if you are one of those very rare people who needs emergency dialing ability.

  78. Re:Fuck him by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    Trolling here like you did also shows a tremendous inteligence... Grow up man

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  79. Re:Aha! Another mystery of the ages put to bed! by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

    As well as Girls Gone Wild.

  80. A Louisiana man? by beamin · · Score: 1

    I didn't know they had access to the Internets down there.

  81. He had to want to get caught by pimpinphp · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I can't help thinking he wanted to get caught, wanted his name in the paper, his 15 min of fame.

    He could have done this a bunch of different ways if he wanted a private chuckle. He could have had virus call any number even a number at a public place where he could see it happening. Set it to happen at a particular time.

    He didn't do that. He had it call one of the few places the would make it certian that the police would come after him. He had it call the police.

    If it had called the local Denny's he could have sat there and watched and after it was all over most people would not care to persue it.

  82. Re:This is just dumb. by gibbonboy · · Score: 1
    It would be a damn useful feature for an alarm system. Someone breaks in triggers an alarm and boom 911 gets dialed.

    No, it would not be damn useful- if your alarm system dialled 911 to my center, you'd be well on your way to not having a phone line. Automatic diallers should be set to a non-emergency 10-digit number. Alarms are well over 99% false calls. That's why most places will start charging you for a police response after your 3rd false alarm. 911 in the U.S. is reserved for emergency calls only- there is no other use for that string of numbers.
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  83. Re:This is just dumb. by jmcneill · · Score: 1

    Ever since we switched to a new phone system in the office a month or two ago, this has accidentally happened (while people were trying to dial numbers in the UK from Canada) at least half a dozen times so far. We ended up having to change the emergency number to '9911' since everytime someone would accidentally call, the police would visit the office and said that if it kept happening they would start charging us for the false visits.

  84. Re:This is just dumb. by Silentnite · · Score: 1

    You mentioned government by referring to something that should be included in all OS's, therefore some sort of regulation should be enforced. Sorry if I took it to the extreme, but honestly, people should be able to take care of themselves.

    In the end, it was a mistake of implication.

    I don't see this as affecting a whole lot of people, he directed it to people he disliked for whatever reason. Web-TV seems like the only thing truly vulnerable to this sort of attack(easily mind you). Anything else would be more of a click on an attachment/download type thing.

    I apologize for reading into you post more than I probably should have.

  85. I was a WebTV user. by JThundley · · Score: 1

    I was once a WebTV user, before and through the time that Bill Gates bought it (he gave us copy and paste). It was one of my first internet experiences and I genuinely enjoyed it, I even used irc heavily at that time without knowing it. This was probably 10 years ago though.

    Anyway, the point I want to make is that you can't do much security-wise with WebTV. There is no third party software. Period. You dial up, it downloads updates every now and then, and you use their browser, their mail client, their everything with no choice (except for web-based stuff). The only thing to watch out for is phishing scams.

    Who would have thought that a WebTV user would mature to a Linux addict?

    1. Re:I was a WebTV user. by Bonker · · Score: 1
      I even used irc heavily at that time without knowing it.


      Which is how many 'DDOS zombie' worms work today.

      Seriously, WebTV was, at the time, a very good thing. Sadly, it now provides all of the risks of computer web use with out any of that pesky protection.
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  86. The guy was pissed. by jcuervo · · Score: 1

    His problem was either that he didn't know who he was pissed at, or didn't care.

    He just wanted to cause damage. We all -- or at least a hell of a lot of us -- get the urge, he just had a prolonged bout and followed through on it.

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  87. Since ever, I think by Pac · · Score: 1

    Since when does joking about something make one a supporter, or even tolerant, of it in real life?

    Or do you think it is ok to make racist jokes about jews or black people or bigot jokes about gays and lesbians because, after all, you are "just joking"?

  88. That's different. by cduffy · · Score: 1

    *shrug*. Depends on context. There are plenty of comedians who, being part of some minority, that make jokes about their own people that, were said jokes coming from someone else, would be considered severely inappropriate. I don't think that makes them wrong, necessarily.

    In any event, it's not really what I was referring to -- making jokes about someone isn't the same as making jokes about something. A better corollary would be making jokes about racism or making jokes about bigotry -- would you argue that said jokes are necessarily supportive of their subject matter?

  89. Re:This is just dumb. by pclminion · · Score: 1
    Sorry if I took it to the extreme, but honestly, people should be able to take care of themselves.

    Take care of themselves in what way? What option do I have now to prevent my computer from dialing 911?

    Thanks for the apology, it's a rare thing on Slashdot.

  90. Re:This is just dumb. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

    I think it does make sense in the same way that it's handy to be able to stop certain web sites from being loaded. It should be a fairly trivial feature to implement in any decent system.

    I think you're fighting a losing battle here though.

    Taking it a bit further, wouldn't it be handy if, when you dial premium numbers from your phone, you would get a brief 10 second message just advising you of this?

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