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Invisible Malware Install 65MB Large
Paperghost writes "Words fail me with this one - don't have the .NET framework on your PC to utilise the adware maker's technology? No problem, they'll download it for you without you knowing. The problem is that it's a sixty-five megabyte install." From the article: "...the size of the .NET framework to download can vary drastically depending on what extras you have - don't forget the service packs, SP1 is an extra 10 or so MB in size. But I'm actually understating the amount of space used when installed, as .NET can total up to 100MB."
I wonder if it comes with 24-hour tech support?
It's bad enough installing spyware, but now they have to go and install Microsoft software!?!?!?!
You slimy bastards!
I hope they're using bittorrent...
... that it's not Microsoft-sponsored? They have done just about everything else to push .NET down our throats...
bash: rtfm: command not found
And the makers will of course claim that they are providing a valuable public service by keeping peoples pc's updated! Bvah!
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Sounds like somebody needs a better browser.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Any word on which browsers are vulnerable? Is this the sort of thing to be, once again, filed under "Switch to FireFox"? The author leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
Or is this the child of something that must be user-run first?
I hope the land around you yields, a crop like all the other fields, and then your waiting might make sense...
They could have at least installed the open source version of .Net, aka Mono. What were they thinking!
"With enough memory and hard drive space, anything in life is possible!"
I'm still waiting for the worm that will monitor someone's usage habits so it can stealthily download and install Linux.
I bet some people started working on it, but got into a religious argument over what distro to use and gave up.
I could also see a worm that would harvest someone's credit card number and use it to order a Mac Mini.
Help I'm a rock.
It's like apt-get for Windows, except you don't even have to ask for the software. Further proof Linux isn't ready for the desktop, I guess.
This reminds me of a couple years ago when many piece of software came bundled with spyware called NewDotNet that claimed to be "needed for next generation internet applications" - just around the same time MS started pushing .NET
I remember uninstalling it from a bunch of machines because people asked, "Do I need this?" Yes....
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
I already have .NET installed! My spyware can slide in all that much faster. :D
Inject.
This strikes me as woefully ineffective for anyone using dialup. Will the program force them to stay connected until the download finishes?
I remember the good old days when we would statically compile in our 100 Mb of needed libraries when propagating some malware. Technology just bites you in the ass sometimes.
It installs WINE.
word.
Maybe if you get a Mac, it'll buy a PC for you. Free computer!
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
Yes! Not to mention the bandwidth. Imagine a whole office downloading this crap onto every PC.
I guess it'll download Mono. Hurray, malware is finally getting portable. Now if they finish Mono we can have malware on Linux too! ;-)
Caps are on amount, not speed.
What happens when Longhorn-specific malware packages decide to upgrade those Win95/98 boxes still out there...
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Now I know how to install it without clicking "I agree". So we'll be seeing some benchmark results on .NET real soon now, right?
For those of us that occasionally program in C# with .NET this is a bigger pain that you know. The two most descriptive keywords of the programming environment really are meaningless nothing-words in the Web's (normally) best search engine.
Get off my lawn.
even on broadband, how could you *not* notice this?!
insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
YOu know, a lot of people complain about the size of the .NET framework, but 65-100MB isn't really a lot of space considering what it does. The upfront size is off-putting, but the savings you get for it more than make up for it.
.NET programs are? .NET is the Win32 API done right (not least because of Anders Heijsberg).
Ever notice how small most
Back in the day, we had to distribute Paradox runtimes with our applications, and it was a whopping 2MB file. But that also meant Paradox applications were absolutely tiny, which made it easy to deploy updates and stuff. This can translate to a lot of savings for enterprises running on Paradox.
Hey, just look at the cellphone viruses from recent news. It's getting there. Though, that could have just been an exploit specific to a few phone models done in executable code.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
It's (very) probably a windows-only piece of adware, so if you were running it under Linux (under wine) it would install in fake_windows, I guess.
Guy asked me for a quarter for a cup of coffee. So I bit him.
I'm glad the adware developers have started to use managed code. Wouldn't want their software to be able to do anything "unsafe" on my system. Thanks, guys!
Consider the .NET framework for a second. Suppose you wrote something innocent like a screen saver, written in C# based on the .NET framework. How would you as an ISV "ship your software"? You can't. Not unless you sign up to ship Microsoft's software as well. You see, the .NET Framework isn't widely deployed. It is present on a small fraction of machines in the world. Microsoft built the software, tested it, released it to manufacturing. They "shipped it", but it will take years for it to be deployed widely enough for you, the ISV to be able to take advantage of it. If you want to use .NET, you need to ship Microsoft's software for them.
Who said Microsoft does not know how to ship software anymore?! Let the trojan authors take care of that!
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- It's an optional install from the XP SP1 and SP2 CDs
- It isn't included with any version of XP Home.
- It isn't listed as a critical update on Windows Update
Taking those major flaws of your arguement into account, and how Microsoft have behaved in the past with products, how you'd consider that they're 'forcingIt's a 65MB install, but only a 24MB download. From TFA:
.NET framework to download is around 23MB, though this is still a lot of bandwidth to use up without asking. In addition, the size of the .NET framework to download can vary drastically depending on what extras you have - don't forget the service packs, SP1 is an extra 10 or so MB in size.
.NET, it takes up 65MB.
the actual size of the
So once it's done its thing and installed
Guy asked me for a quarter for a cup of coffee. So I bit him.
Google now recognizes "C#" as a search term, and you ususally can get hits with "ASP.NET" or some class name.
Also, search Google Groups. Much of the indepth discussion of MS stuff still is on Usenet.
It happened to me once. A friend needed a crack for some pirated software and, knowing better than to browse crack sites from a Windows machine, asked me to find it for him. While browsing those, suddenly, FireFox crashed.
/usr/bin/wine-safe. This is the default action for those, so it obviously was not an exploit tailored for Linux systems, just a Windows one that almost worked...
.mozilla dir for forensics before nuking it away.
When I restarted it, the standard "open-or-save" dialog popped up, suggesting to run some Windows binary through
Of course, stupid me forgot to store the
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Hey, if the spyware can get WINE working, more power to it.
I sure as hell can't.
'If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.'
This is like a fat dude with a bucher's kife sneaking up on a sheep from the front. And hoping the sheep won't notice.
Wait, the runtimes aren't shipped with the applications anymore? I have to download the libraries seperately to get them to run?
Aaaargh!!! Dependancy Hell!
-> Fritz
Spooooon!!!!!
BT Internet recently doubled the downstream rate on most of their broadband accounts, and after looking at the spyware penetration on some friends' Windows machines, 65MB malware seems completely plausible.
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What is it that .NET gives the malware authors in terms of abilities that they can't have without it? In other words, why do they need to bother with .NET?
Can the .NET framework still be installed even if you're not running as Administrator?
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...a few years ago. I wrote a small, insignificant article back then on virusses and the ever increasing computer power (both speed-wise as size-wise) at our disposal. I figured that, taken these two facts, it would not take too long for someone to use that power to 'bootstrap' virusses that were immensely powerful. Call it 'cluster-virusses'. Noone would notice a virus of say 1 Mb in size, and in this virus one could install numerous other small virusses that each did it's own devastating task.
The fact that it is "malware" and not a "virus" only means that some commercial use has been made of the virus.
I hope this is a single event, but I fear we have not seen the last of this troubling development.
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Can you imagine the amount of time it would take to put something like that together, just to keep track of what apps a person uses, and whether there is a reasonable FOSS equivalent?
And if you want it to really work correctly, you'd need to be able to monitor how a person uses that app, because different people use different programs for different things. For example, one MS Office user might be perfectly happy with OO.o or AbiWord, while another might use Office for a feature that is not provided (or not provided adequately) on any FOSS app.
You'd also need to monitor things like how people interact with the computer. Someone who has to spend a lot of time hunting for things and has difficulties with applications that sport non-standard or opaque interfaces is _NOT_ going to be happy on Linux. (Just think about how many different ways there are to cut-and-paste text that you have to learn if you're using FOSS software.)
You appear to be using Linux. Please wait while we download and install Windows XP.
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Security is one of the core goals of .NET.
.NET as their preferred language of choice.
.NET, my malicious software is sure to be undeniably secure! Thanks Microsoft!"
That's why 9 out of 10 Malware authors now choose
A testamonial:
"I finally switched after being pwned by other Malware authors. All my other hack buddies laughed at me!" said 1337HaxX0r, author of AllYURComp.exe, "But now that I'm using
Karma: The only way to win is not to play.
Considering the size of today's drives, the width of today's pipes, and speed of today's systems, the point is that most home users will not notice this on their 100-300GB drive sucked down overnight using their overpowered webmail terminal. If it's installed without your consent, it's still spyware/adware/malware, just like a rosebush in a tomato garden can still be considered a weed. The point is that there is so much going on with today's systems that the typical user has no idea what's going on.
As a previous poster said, a whole office downloading this would kill the pipes, but you are more likely to see a centralized corporated edition spyware tool ready to handle this. Don't have one at your office? Get one.
Stop reading this and run to the store now! I'll wait...
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
I have a cap at 3.5 Mb/s. the /s part implies a speed of some sort, actually an amount over a given length of time. 3.5megabits every second. I can't go over that, it's capped. I also have a loose cap on monthly GB, but that's variable depending on who they want to send threatening letters to that month....
Considering every windows user has malware, I think MS cares. Not even MS has infinte bandwidth.
The .NET download is just part of Windows now; sooner or later, you will need it, whether you want it or not. 65M is not all that large compared to other runtimes and libraries (C/C++ is much larger).
.NET.
The real problem here is that somehow these machines installed malware. The problem could be that they are running IE, it could be that the malware is exploiting a bug, etc.
There is a simple solution: run Linux instead. That will protect you from both malware and
I thought .NET was supposed to make your computer more secure. Or, maybe it only makes sure your personal data is sent securly back to the advertising company. Anyways, it appear to not be working...
I have a 28K modem, you insensitive clod.
Just make sure you read every line of the agreement for whatever application installs the spyware. If they're being cautious, they probably have a line similar to "We might install the .NET framework on your behalf, and therefore you must read and agree with all of the Microsoft .NET framework terms of service outlined at [url]", right next to the statement about how they're going to install spyware on your PC.
This isn't to say that any of it would necessarily hold up if tested in court, and it doesn't mean that Microsoft wouldn't have "issues" with the spyware distributor for bypassing the display of their license to the user installing the software. But if you're the sort of person who cares about clicking 'I agree' at all, then you should probably consider this, too.
Well, in reality it's supposed to be a basic operating system library that's installed with the OS, just like the COM and MFC stuff, but they're putting it out there now because they're next OS is soooo late getting here.
.Net developers realize that .Net penetration is like 20 or 30% at the moment, which limits who can run their programs.
It's certainly delaying the deployment of the library though. Most
It's like, sure download my cool new utility - it's only 230k... oh, but please download this 23 meg dependency file to get it to run.
We used to do the same with the VBRUN dll's too. All those little utilities you downloaded off of tucows.com needed you to have that library file, which you usually had to download separately.
This guy starts out talking about something happening at his office: reports had come back to me at my workplace that someone, somewhere was downloading gigabytes of data onto their PCs. He then jumps to some event that he says was happening half way across the globe. OK, obviously I don't like spyware either, but what was the point of the story? What in the world did the events happening to Eric L Howes have to do with this guy's claim that at his office he saw someone, somewhere was downloading gigabytes of data onto their PCs.??? I sure didn't see the connection. Just how did Eric L Howes installing 65 meg of spyware and even worse Microsoft software (or anyone else) cause this guy to see someone, somewhere was downloading gigabytes of data onto their PCs. Is this a 65 meg problem or a gigabyte problem? Or does this guy maybe work at the site that is hosting the spyware?
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I'm waiting for the OS X release.
Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
Need one of those for when people get accused of piracy and downloading infringing items.
Between these things, and open wifi, its going to be hard to prove intent.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Too bad the ATI Catalyst drivers that use .Net are 29MB and the standard drivers of the same revision are 23MB. Maybe it's because of the extra eye candy. But other then that, it's still not a small footprint.
Life is not for the lazy.
There are other ways to find stuff on the net. This is a perfect example of where a directory, such as DMOZ or Yahoo, is going to get you better results than a search engine.
my sig's at the bottom of the page.
there's two ways, one is the same as windows (right click copy, or ^C) or there's the xclipboard. Once your used to the xclipboard you probably wont use ^C anymore.
anyway, copy/paste (^C ^V) between gnome/kde apps has worked fine for ages now
sure left some questions unanswered.
.NET), or does it run as a normal process and use the VM for displaying data?
:)). But I'm concerned since my family runs windows, and I'll be the one to clean it. I'm sure I'm not the only /.'er who feels this way.
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In what way does the malware use the VM? Can it collect data from within the VM (thus making it a security hole in
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Is this possible to happen behind a firewall, of say, SP2? I've heard of malware that slips through it, though I haven't encountered it (I run slack 10
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Heck, a few of my co-workers (IT managers, network types, ... anythigng) don't know what it's for, or have basic misunderstandings.
.net framework" on the client PCs (to view .aspx web pages!!!). Or lack of understanding why you have to install it for C#/VB.Net apps they asked me to code... Most of the complaints I've had (or troble tickets) for it is "it don't work!" - and *every single time*, it's been that they didn't have the .net fw installed.
Some decisions were taken as to not sue ASP.Net for web apps, because "you have to isntall the
So I don't think the average joe user has a clue either.
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But IIRC those viruses only work on SymbianOS (IOW, one and the same platform), right?
Has anyone noticed the similarity between the names .NET and Sky.NET?
Be afraid, very afraid....
No kidding, one time I was doing some painting with some latex paint, right? And I was painting an oak table (oak is a wood with a hard core), so I wanted to make absolutely sure that the paint would bond to it. So I hopped on to google and type in "hard core latex bondage". I think it must be a bug with the parsing engine or something.
We(most of us) as *nix users know not to do regular work as root.
Why don't we start doing the same on Windows, and advocating the same.
If you are using XP Pro, can't you keep users from installing software?
I know it's possible in a networked environment, and I admit, my windows security knowledge is lacking.
But wouldn't it be prudent to set yourself up a user that can't install anything? How often do we hit a site that might actually have a new, useful activex control on it? If you hit one that you can't live without, switch users, download the control, and log back in as your regular user.
This is exactly what we promote for linux, why do we just sit and grip about windows, and not start extoling the virtues of security mindness to everyone, not just the choir.
FYI, the new .NET runtime, beta 2, which will be released March 31st, will be 16MB rather than the current 24MB.
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...of this malware will be much smaller as it doesn't have to download the whole .NET package and the Servicepack ontop of it.
Yahoo is a directory? I thought all they provided was email, news, Java games and unreliable stock market messageboards.
I'm being sarcastic of course, but comparing today's Yahoo to the one that was hosted at akebono.stanford.edu 10 years ago, it's very difficult to see its directory roots these days.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Gandhi
What? You should be browsing so fast, I have to load images one by one with my 2400 modem, otherwise sites drop connections because of time-outs. And all these sites have 'text-only' link so far away from start of the file!
Also, I've heard about some text-only browser called links (or linx?), but can someone please tell me how big it's to download before I begin a search quest for it.
Infact some models have shown its even in a species interest to play host to a disease causing entity that is more lethal to a competitor or predator. E.g. mice that carry diseases fatal to predetors.
In rare cases tolerance gives way ot full symbiosis where each helps the other. Perhaps a bacteria that helps deal with some more dread disease or an enteric digestive aid. Something that fixes nitrogen in your roots.
So anyhow maybe the course of virsuses are indeed ones that tune up your system, protect you from other viruses and make sure your computer is working optimally. Perhaps they will get out of your way when you are actually using it and just steal cylces and bandwidth when you wont miss it.
In that case 24 hour tech support is indeed on the way.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
FYI: 100 MB is not "HUGE". It's less then 1/2000th of the last HD I bought. What are you, living in 1999?
That's pretty funny. A friend once told me a funny one that happened to her.
:)
With the whole family sitting around the computer, including her visiting mother, they decided to try and look up some swing sets...So she typed in "swinging."
True story
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Wow...depending on the .NET install, that can be larger than the Java Runtime. I like some of the .NET features better. C#'s overloaded operators are cool, but other than that, the .NET framework really sucks.
.NET didn't even have a multicolumned list!
.NET framework i designed to be used by two programming languages, C# and VB (and I think some people have made python compilers too). And you can access either language though the shitty ASP layer for web sites/services.
:-P
The graphical components pale in comparison to Java's Swing toolkit. Last I checked,
However, you do have to give it to Microsoft. The
I think I'll stick to good ole mono.NET on Linux. Hmm, I wonder if I can install some of that spyware onto my Gentoo system
-Sumit
A complaint I often heard is that client-side Java required too large a download. Even the latest bloatware JRE 1.5 is 15 MB. Sounds to me like .NET with it's automatic download of 65 MB is one more way Microsoft is abusing its OS monopoly.
This isn't .net's fault or Microsoft sadly.
It is plain the fact Adware writers have upgraded to VB .Net to write their software.
It is definetly the first case of it downloading 3rd party requirements to run the malware. (3rd party = microsoft)
Lynx and if you download the source code version it's 3.1 megabytes... plus you need cygwin which is another 160 MB... The actual binary file itself is probablly a lot smaller, but if you've still got DOS lying around http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/ that site has the dos version which is only 2.4 megabytes.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
How is this any different to games needing to distribute the latest version of DirectX
Given games that are CD-sized, an extra 10 MB isn't going to hurt. Smaller games, where the size of DirectX poses a problem, are usually compatible with DirectX from a few versions back (possibly 7.x), which is already deployed.
Well, then 9 out of 10 malware authors don't know what the hell they are doing since .NET *IS NOT* a language.
The three programming languages associated with the .NET framework, namely C#, Managed C++, and VB.NET, are semantically equivalent. Therefore, ".NET language" can be overloaded to refer to any language that compiles to MSIL.
I cannot believe one have to insert more than hundred high-density floppies just to run the text-based browser. This Microsoft's super environment of the future called .Net only weights 65 Mb, so it's said in the article.
Its also a major pain when programming COM stuff (component object model). The "COM" is always dropped (anything.COM), making your most important keyword completely ignored in the search. You always have to hit and miss with other words like IUnknown and hope the poster or web page has used it.
I.O.U One Sig.
microsoft can take .net and shove it back down their throats it is about as innovative as a fucking stone - sorry if I offended any stones.
SUPPORT: What's the problem, sir?
CALLER: It keeps crashing my computer!
SUPPORT: Oh, I can help you, sir. The fix is quite simple. Just give me all of the following:
- Your credit card information
- Your phone numbers--home, work, and cell
- Your home address
- Your email address
- Six of your friends' email addresses
- Your social security number
- A DNA sample
SUPPORT: Also, I'll need to to download, print, sign, and mail in a waiver. Once signed, we'll be allowed to track your every move.Keep your eyes to the sky.
For those of us that occasionally program in C# with .NET this is a bigger pain that you know. The two most descriptive keywords of the programming environment really are meaningless nothing-words in the Web's (normally) best search engine.
Hmmm... have you tried searching Google for C# lately? ".net" and "net" do indeed return the same results, but the results for "C#" and "C" are very, very different.
Google search for C#
Google search for C
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That joke sounds rather familiar to the Three Dead Trolls bit about setting up a computer at the parents house.
Thats odd, my XPSP2 laptop can be directly connected to the internet for weeks and used for general purpose surfing, and nada gets on my machine.
Some holes are closed by SP2 others by some settings gleaned from SANS, NIST, and NSA security whitepapers. Topped off with some decent anti spyware, anti virus and IPS/IDS software. Wisely choosing what emails NOT to open (of the spam that actually gets thru the several layers of spam control in place). That's all, and I don't see anything like the problems the media reports about XP.
Granted, the whole world will have to move to multicore processors or cell processors just to have enough power to run all of this protection while still having a responsive system, lol.
"new .NET runtime, beta 2, which will be released March 31st, will be 16MB"
Uh-huh. The first few versions of Netscape Navigator fit on a 1.2M floppy.
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Trojans are trivially easy to avoid. Worms aren't.
:).
The truth is, there are two reasons there's not much malware for non-Windows systems. One is because of market share, and the other is because the users of minority operating systems tend to be a little more technically savvy than the soccer moms and nascar dads that make up the Windows world.
Except for the third, and biggest reason: insecure applications/network stacks/operating systems.
Believe me, people have tried, and tried hard, to write something like Blaster for Linux. Slammer for (insert OSS SQL server here). Code Red for Apache. There's more than enough market share (and certainly for Apache!), and these days, plenty of less savvy users setting these things up. In fact, people try far harder, because quite simply an owned *nix box is far more useful than a Windows zombie (much easier to keep out further crackers
Fact is, until XP SP2, every network-capable version of Windows was just asking to be cracked, out of the box. Unintended services needlessly listening on well-known ports (note this pretty much guarantees they'll never be updated/monitored) == Warhol worms waiting to happen. What's more fun, is that some of these services are almost impossible to turn off (just try removing the C$ or IPC$ share in Windows, for a start).
It's been a few years for me since a default Linux install had ANYTHING listening.
That, by default, makes it a far more secure environment.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
Just put + in front of it, and Google WILL search for COM.
For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
FYI: 100 MB is more than 100,000,000 ASCII characters. That's a lot of books, IMO.
I searched on 'c#' google, and i searched on '.net' in. Both came up with the relavent pages.
I believe you are being facetious at best, at worse indirectly casting dispersions on the capabilities of google.
They've fixed most of the google problems, but it did used to suck as badly as the user described.
yeah, and find every site known to man ending in .com. Try searching for +COM Programming, and get every programming site ending in .com. Its pretty useless.
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So MS now has COM and NET covered. I wonder when Microsoft ORG is due?
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
While I have cable myself, I do know plenty of people who are still pre sp2 simply because they are stuck with a modem. I help out where I can, but they often mistake that kindly little update for an eternity of 'free computer support'
20 odd megabytes is trivial in terms of storage capacity, but via a modem, it will be noticed.
While your cleaning your machines I'll stack the required amount of ZZ.
Microsoft Windows, Word, Access, Agent .. Once they get their hands on a word or TLA, they never give it back.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
You need admin rights to install software. Windows has issues, as does Linux, but this isn't one of them.
That's nothing, I was searching for "hats" the other day on google (I want to buy a hat) and the 6th link that comes up is something called "Fat Chicks in Party Hats."
Most distressing.
Your rant makes sense until one realizes the deliciously subtle yet hilarious flaw in your reason ing, the fact that if you search for "Word" on Google you get a link to Microsoft Word. So you were trying to be sarcastic when you said it was "Great for searching" when in reality it actually is.
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I remember when virus writers avoided writing bloated code and used assembly language! You lazy kids these days have no consideration for the customer!
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Just include the "What Linux distro are you?" quiz in your profiling and you're done. No religious flamewars neccessary.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
.NET languages are just simpler to deal with, at the cost of needing a whole 'nother abstraction layer.
I thought a kife was what you stabbed a spelling NAZI with!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Once you have it installed, it requires two patches in Windows update.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
> quick blind-install,
He it worked for the PATRIOT act.
Been haveing to have this on our companies pre-install for windows, as the latest ATI drivers interface is all C# based, and of course, we install latest drivers for customers as a matter of course :)
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You are comparing apples and oranges. The .NET download includes the GUI libraries, lots of other libraries, the compiler, the linker, and tons of other tools (same incidentally for Java). The equivalent collection of libraries and tools for C/C++ is much bigger. Look around in /lib and /usr/lib and start adding things up.
.NET or Java libraries and tools: the byte code representation, reflection, and single runtime approach of .NET or Java actually give those languages an advantage when it comes to library and code size.
In general, C/C++ libraries and tools tend to be much more bloated than
As for the "runtimes", 350k is quite a heavy-weight runtime, actually. Fortunately, all of these languages (C#, Java, C, C++) can be implemented with much smaller runtimes.
How many of the adware's intended targets would be in an AD domain? Anyways, parent's wrong, but let's not forget the average Windows user runs as admin by default...
In any case, the net effect is the same.
Unless you don't have a broadband...
It is sad that Malware has better dependancy management then Most Linux Distros.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
.NET is a virus!!!
the point is *not* that you're downloading 19MB, or 23MB, or 63MB, or whatever.. its that its downloading it *without* asking you. I'm lucky enough to have DSL (1.5mbit down) with no cap on my monthy bandwidth, but I could see the poor guy on 56K dialup not being overly happy with this...
.NET framework, its 23MB, ok for me to download it?" Sure, either I say 'yes' (not likely) or 'no'. But to do it without even asking me? That pisses me off, regardless of the fact that I have 70GB of disk on my machine.
I have no problem with something popping up on my computer and saying "oh, to do 'X' you need the
I've been trying to install the .NET framework on my PCs for months so I can use this cool Logitech io gizmo whose driver and supporting software require the framework. Unfortunately, the official .NET installation package silently fails on my stock Windows boxen, so I've never been able to use it.
If this malware could successfully install it, I'd be golden!
I think maybe you are. The point isn't that the .Net install is so large. The point is that a malware coder has the gall to sneak 100mb onto your pc. Think of the repercussions to those of us on DialUp. Especially those who would never really understand why everything on their computer just slowed to a crawl.
Howdy.
Might be a good idea to clone SP2 CDs and anonymously mail it to them. Given that they probably already install stuff from people they don't know, I can't see this being any different...
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"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
You actually search for ".NET" ? My searches are always tagged with parameters (the code snippet you want, the problem you're trying to solve). Write those first, and then add C# or .NET, it always works.
Apples and oranges. Netscape Navigator was/is a browser. .NET runtime is an applications framework akin to J2EE.
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> asp -inurl:asp
Then you'd miss the obvious sites like "aspcode.org," "aspobjects.com," or whatever, wouldn't you?
Please quote me the portion of his post that claimed there were no patches necessary after installing the Framework.
He said the framework ITSELF was not a critical update. He is correct.
They probably have a very simple native program that doesn't require .net, which then downloads it if not available. Once it is available, it runs the real program.
Le français vous intéresse?
Nothing to do with it? That's not exactly correct. It had quite a lot to do with it. But perhaps you were trying to make this point instead? The key paragraph there reads:
Do you have any sources for your assertion?