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North Korean Hackers Rival CIA?
Bitchslap_69 writes "According to a report in the South Korean paper Cho Sun Ilbo, North Korea 'employs 500-600 hackers who are tasked with hacking into computer networks and disabling enemy command and communication systems.' The person making this claim is Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong of the South Korean Defense Ministry's Agency for Defense Development (ADD). He claims the DPRK hackers to be 'equal to that of the CIA,' whatever that might mean."
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In North Korea, only old hackers rival the CIA.
Don't Tread on Me
But what about the NSA?
An acronym of ADD could lead to great jokes about... ... hey wanna go ride bikes?
1. how does north korea get any bandwidth? Do they cross connect with china?
2. what good do mad hacking skills do you when you've just been assigned farm duty?
3. How can you hack with out access to doritos and pepsi?
i fucking hate rob malda.
My God folks, how is this news? Is anyone really surprised that a militant nation engages in information warfare?
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So does this mean that North Korean hackers have outdated information about their own country's WMDs?
We need to get an admin with Korean jurisdiction to rate Dr. Byeon Jae-jeong's account "-1 flamebait." He's head of a hacker army- you know he's got a /. account.
Watch out, in infinite time 500-600 korean hackers typing randomly on keyboards will crack any network, *AND* write the works of shakespeare!
*flashback 40 years*
Breaking news! The reds in Korea have obtained nuclear weapons comparable to the United States! They even claimed it themselves! We're all doomed!
*end flashback*
*40 years later*
Breaking news! Today, North Korea has admitted to have nuclear weapons, and they are 1/10000 as powerful as those that the United Nations possesses! Run for your lives!
As you could probably tell, when a country is desperate, they'll lie about anything to make themselves seem up higher in the world.
maybe if the CIA wasn't using such out dated software and dedicated so much of their time searching for the evils of the world then they could catch up on their reading and protect us from larger threats than a plane going into a building. I'm sure there is some pretty smart guys in the CIA, but what motive to they have to improve their skills? I'm too tired to put much more thought into this but this is nothing surprising we all know the russians are way better than us as well. By the way how are the people working on stem cells comparing the rest of the world right now. . . about the same that figures. this is my 2 cents for the moment, please mister CIA guys don't come knocking on my door, i've gotta go to sleep before work tomarrow.
Force of Will = Glue 'nuff said.
Perhaps instead of employing 500-600 hackers to deter a threat that they create to intimidate their own people they should consider giving their people some food so they don't starve to death.
Thankfully, our intelligence-gathering/spying community is awful!
Well, first of all: The CIA isn't tasked with electronic/computerised intelligence/counterintelligence; that's the NSA's job.
And, second of all: Having experienced the wrath of korean hax0r's myself, while playing Counter-Strike, I can easily believe this.
/dev/random
Where all da Marines at? Maybe after we take out Kim we can move on to problems that aren't manufactured or risk plunging the nation into fascism and theocracy, and that actually HELP people! Nutbag liberal notion, helping people, I know. But hey, I have a good heart. What can I say.
I watched Hackers and I KNOW this is what it takes to be l33t.
If they could haxor a Gibson, I'd be f34ring 3m.
-J4
Silly Rabbit: tricks are for kids.
Can somebody give this to me in Libraries of Congress or Volkswagon Bugs?
Does the north korean government have the resources to *feed* 500 hackers, much less train them and set them up with phone lines?
I don't take this too seriously. The Korean press in the North is engineered to make the North look invincible; the South Korean press sees the world the way a fish in a fishbowl does, and everything to its immediate north looks huge, overstated and distorted. I'd be willing to bet the most sophisticated hacking force in the Koreas is the spammers.
He means, "They're not very good, but ignorant sheep will probably assume that they are."
Now why he would want to say something like that is, IMO, a more interesting question...
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why does democratic South Korea compare N. Korea to the U.S.? Is this something they want to draw international attention to because it "threatens" their security? I know S. Korea is the closest land to N. Korea but this is over-reacting.
Everyone knows that the CIA hackers are 31337 and hack people ALL the time! They even hack into computers that aren't even connected to the 'net! I once saw this hacker and he hacked a system so much that it EXPLODED and it KILLED like a million people! And that was just with his pinky. And I knew right then he had to be a CIA hacker d00d. And I asked him. And he hacked my laptop which was OFF and closed AND HAD no battery! And he did it just by looking at it and he scowled and he turned around and then he hacked a park bench and then digitally vanished. And when I opened my laptop it said "I'm a CIA hacker d00d and am 31337. Tell n0 0n3." Oh crap... ,mnb,b4, #$$# NO CARRIER>>>
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Hackers? Simple. Embargo asbestos shipments.
You expect me to think that a self-isolated communist regime can beat the good 'ol CIA at computers? Do you think I'm a fucking idiot?
North Korea excels at producing counterfeit currency, drugs, and 1960's era missile technology. Those are their major exports.
They are a backwards nation, and that tyrant dictator is too scared to let his own people get to know the outside world.
Cannibalism is widespread in North Korea at the moment (look it up if you dont believe me).
The worst human rights violations in the world are occuring in North Korea. Three generations of a persons family can and are sent to death camps for the (alleged) crime of an individual.
Kim Jong Il will eventually hang from a noose next to Saddam Hussein. My only hope is that the unelected mullahs of Iran will hang next to them, but those god damn eurpoeans would rather sit on their ass then allow this to happen.
- George W. Bush
"a five-year school that has been turning out about 100 cyber warfare specialists a year since 1981" -- back in 1981 computers weren't very prevalent and hackers were a minor nuisance at worst. The Internet was limited strictly to research labs and universities, I strongly doubt that NK even had a single internet connection in the whole country back in 1981. Yet they were turning out 100 cyber warriors per year?
This is a joke. If North Korea did try a "cyber attack" on America we could cut off their internet with a pair of scissors. The average cable modem user in America has more bandwidth than their entire country. It's hard to afford computers and network access when 99.9% of your GDP goes to support your military and feed your people.
korea.blackholes.us :-)...
I've seen this mentioned here quite some time ago (no, I don't have the relavent link at hand). Anyway, my guess is these 'hackers' might be 'cookbookers' who are just 'following scripts' put out by 'real hackers' (really system crackers). However, as North Korea is a recoginzed 'terrorist state' and has 'The Bomb', this threat should not be taken lightly.
If the CIA or any other world famous security organization have their act together, all the 'good stuff' is on an internal computer network that has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION TO THE INTERNET (or any other form of 'at large' telecommunications). This is very important as it is impossible to break into such a system -- there is no 'front door' to use to gain access. The usual procedure is to have two computers side by side: one on the secure internal network and the other connected to the internet/unsecure network. A human being is required to type information from the insecure PC to the secure one and vice versa. In this setup, the only way the secrets can get out is if the human in this situation is incompetent, being blackmailed (and told no one who can help them), or an outright traitor -- there are no other alternatives.
There is a slight chance of passively picking up the secret stuff with a so called TEMPEST attack but surely the IT people at these kind of organizations have already taken measures to make such attacks effectively impossible.
The CIA Factbook has little to say, but a Wired article seems to dismiss the threat, although it notes information is hard to come by.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
*yawn* nm
Why is Slashdot publishing South Korea's ridiculous anti-North Korean propaganda?
And I bet they play golf like their Glorious Leader does!
Ministry's Agency for Defense Development (MADD)
Come on people, don't let Mothers Against Drunk Driving push you around!
"LAPTOP IN HAND!"
Maybe they kidnap them from Japan.
See for example their history of doing the same to acquire knowledge about the outside world:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087627/
I once saw The Wrath of Kahn dubbed in Pakistani. The "KAAHHHHHHHNNNNN" line was mysteriously removed and replaced with a "nothing to see hear" placard.
The Korea Times has a more informative version of this article.
E.M.P.
This could be true, but the hackers would have to be based outside North Korea.
Why? Because NK doesn't have a whole slew of bandwidth coming in / going out. Every single packet going in/out of NK is probably intercepted by the U.S. and S. Korea. And it would not be any sort of disruption to cut off NK internet access.
However, I am assuming NK could send covert agents to SK, and launch their cyber attack there. Intercepting and analysing all packets would not be an option with a wired country like SK... and cutting off SK from the U.S. would not be economicly or politicly viable, if it could even be done.
Personally, I am not worried about some great cyber attack. Every day on the Internet is a cyber attack. There are people who are not affiliated with any government, and maybe aren't even political, who are probably just as good as NK hackers, and do all kinds of mischief and mayhem every day. In a strange way, all the hackers, work creaters, script kiddies, and zombie spammers have made the net immune to any sort of attack (because any sort of attack would probably be unnoticable from any normal day).
Read "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the ultra-secret National Security Agency; from the cold war through the dawn of a new century" by James Bamford.
President Bush to Liberate Alaska!
they're in their mothers basements.
He already runs a successful business.
He's not afraid to make controversial decisions and stand behind them (something one is going to need when one decides to donate to Project X and not to Project Y).
I hear Bill Gates needs some assistance with his open source initiatives.
So THAT'S where all the tenths of a penny in my company's accounting software have gone!
Seriously, give it to Google to add an extra 126K to the Open source funds they're funding.
You can reasonable expect that they will distribute it with ethics rather than dip into it in expenses. If you appointed any other (read poor/legal/accountancy) administrator you would risk it being eaten in expenses.
Personally, I'd like to see Linux date and time libraries improved. I'd like to be able to convert from arbitrary time zone to arbitrary time zone, down to the nano second from any reasonable year up to 99999 AD.
Go spend it on that, even Windows time libraries don't handle this correctly (they don't handle day light saving properly) and its something I miss for a server.
Oddly, neither the website or the news story goes into any detail of what LinuxFund *is*. i.e. I assume the money comes from special credit card programs, but the site doesn't seem to explain how it's used. Is the money put toward internal developers on the project or is it used to provide grant money to OSS projects? Can anyone fill in the details?
:-)
IHMO, the best organization for something like this is for LinuxFunds to be an administrative entity only. Proposals for Open Source software and funding requirements could then be submitted to the project for review and potential approval. Selected OSS projects would receive the funding they requested according to the payment schedule that was approved. This payment schedule would allow LinuxFunds to track the progress of a given project, and make adjustments as necessary. (Potentially even cutting off funding if the project is not viable.)
Such an organization would require only a few knowledgable employees to make the decisions and administrate the funds. With funds transfers being what they are today, much of the grunt work (transfer, accounting, etc.) could be done automatically. Since this is a publicly supported organization, it should publish a detailed accounting of its usage of the money.
To put things in perspective, the current funds of $126k work out to about 5,250 man hours of work at ~$24/hr (~$50,000/yr).
That's my thoughts anyway.
Money for people
Uh, I volunteer to help distribute the money. Just deposit it in my PayPal account and I'll take care of the rest.
Anyway..here's the article summary:So, forget OS X in the server room, but have fun if you want a desktop OS.
The G5 woops when it comes to floating point, and stays just behind in everything else. AMD of course takes top honors in almost everything. The find out that OS X kernel doesn't do so well on the server when it comes to multiple threads created while using MySQL and other possible open source software, so they conclude OS X a good desktop, but Linux is better on the Server. They will look into Linux on PPC to see which is better next time, PPC or x86 when it comes to a Linux server.
How about OpenDarwin x86 vs. Mac OS X on Apple Hardware?
How about Linux on x86 vs. LinuxPPC on Apple Hardware?
jeesh
This comparison is flawed. A more direct comparison that would have resulted in better information would have been Mac/OS X vs. x86/BSD.
What performance is he measuring? The hardware or the OS? Comparing both with no baseline control for each is about as informative as pulling numbers out of my ass.
Anandtech has an article up comparing performance of dual G5s to AMD Opteron and Intel Xeon workstations.
Ok, Rule #1 - its a performance comparison...
It is definitely the worst buyer's guide that you can imagine. This article cares about speed, performance, and nothing else!
Calm down, did we forget Rule #1 already?
No comments on how well designed the internals are, no elaborate discussions about user friendliness, out-of-the-box experience and other subjective subjects.
OK... Rule #2, no more posting news for you.
I wonder if he uses a mac or pc....
Why don't those communists wear any ties?
Because.... we all know a hacker is a short-sleeved man with a tie!
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Authority questions you. Return the favor.
Until I saw the blatanly placed & scantily clad woman with the words "Root Me" written with MS Paint on the desktop.
Reportes from local news got into North Korea with our politicians couple of weeks ago. I've seen "the documentary" from the unholy land yesterday. I have to tell ya that even in the capital there are major electricity outages, hunger and upset people all over. But the most frightening was when I saw a young woman in the interview cheering their leaders and military. Most of the people interviewed was acting like psychopats voiceing that demagogy litany of theirs. "Leader" pictures in every other room on the walls. I am quite afraid that the damage this regine done to that poor people will not be so easy to undone. The common sence was whiped out from the society. I would not be surpriced to see them attaking any target of oportunity in the near future.
"Iraq has the 4th largest army in the world". That's what they kept telling us before the first Iraq war.
Now North Korea has an almost as big army of hackers as US...
Pattern or coincidence?
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The Government is built on a governmental build of Windows...Hum.....www.google.com ->Search windows flaws....On the other hand...North Korea, "communist" and anti-capitalist, can't think about contributing to those capitalist pigs. Linux it is!
$sig$
I mean first it's the NSA that concerns itself with electrionic intelligence, not the CIA. The CIA is about human intelligence. Also an offensive tasking seems like it would more likely be a DoD thing, Airforce maybe though who knows. NSA/CIA are more about intelligence gathering than any kind of direct offensive support, at least offically.
At any rate, how the hell would this guy have any idea how good they are, espically given he can't keep the agencies straight? I mean the NSA is very secretive, they don't say much on how they operate, what particularly they do, etc. The nature of an intelligence agency. What's more, there hasn't been a conflict where any sort of US syber warfare division would have had much to do to demonstrate their prowess.
So we have no information on training, no public demonstrations of capabilities, and no wartime demonstrations. Ok, great, so basically anything we say about it is total specualtion. The US's capability could be anything from three teenagers playing Counterstrike all day to a huge team of the best trained hackers in the world. There's just no way to know.
So it looks like this guy is talking out his ass on the US capabilities, which makes me think he's probably doing the same on North Korean capabilites. I mean they may have lots, they may have none, but who knows?
However it really seems to be of little concern, given that North Korea has little Internet access to their nation. I mean people in the US and Europe tend to take for granted the large number of well connected providers around, that's not the case in NK. It wouldn't take much to totally cut them off from the rest of the Internet.
Besdies, in theory at least, all US military control and all classified data travels on networks physically seperate from the Internet. Goes back to the Kennedy assanation where the government found the PSTN so clogged they couldn't communicate and so worke don getting their own. Today the policy, and hopefulyl the implementation, is an air gap: physical seperation of classified networks from the Internet. So a "cyber attack" might screw a bunch of people with in secure comptuers for a couple days, but it wouldn't stop the B-2s from comming.
As big as the CIA? Better have a budget increase then! Evidence, no, don't worry about that, the South Korean people are right behind you in your efforts to combat these hackers.
How does Dr. Byeon (Byun?) Jae-jeong know what capabilities the CIA has? If South Korea is aware of "39 wiretapping devices", shouldn't they be able to shut them down? Assuming all of this is true, even if the US power grid is hacked into and knocked out by North Korea, would it really take that long to get it back up and running? The Blackout of 2003 didn't seem to be a huge catastrophe. I *highly* doubt that US Pacific Command is vulnerable to any sort of internet attack, but I could be wrong. (From The Korea Times) "Byun called on the government to increase the budget for the buildup of the core capability needed to cope with advanced scientific and information warfare, especially for the protection of information." Maybe this guy just wants more money and is willing to make stuff up to get it?
hackers can hack anyone they want! Hackers cut off syslogs ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this hacker who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a packet the hacker hacked the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a hacker totally kernel rootkit some kid just because the kid opened a terminal.
And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And as much as I would prefer living in the south to the north any day, information about North Korea coming from the south is not very reliable.
That means that they know about my 1ll3g4l h4x0r1n9 correspondence! I thought it was all secret!
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This really isn't a scary thing to me, since I don't use gmail (or google, for that matter) for anything illegal. That doesn't mean that I'm keen on spilling my email-archive guts to the entire world, but if it must happen, it'd be embarrassing at worst. More than likely, my email will elicit the same reaction we see when we try to post too quickly to a late-breaking
Nothing to see here, please move along.
The rule of thumb here (or rule of wrist, if you're a fan of The Boondock Saints) is:
Don't do stupid/illegal/dangerous stuff online - someone's always watching!
The article may have a point. Of course, that point is it's own counterpoint. How often have people used things like Google's cached copy of data or the Wayback Machine to prove that a company really did say or claim something after they'd removed or altered the claim and denied ever saying/claiming the original? Google's long memory cuts both ways, and I think it's too useful for keeping track of things to give it up just because it might track my things. And of course it can also be used to counter people who might claim I changed my tune or concealed something when I didn't.
He claims the DPRK hackers to be 'equal to that of the CIA,' whatever that might mean.
1. S. Korea knows how good N. Korean hackers are. meaning they've seen their work or have been attacked.
2. S. Korea knows how good CIA hackers are through the same methods.
3. CIA's hacking qualities has to be 'up there' or else making the comparison would be meaningless.
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On today's front page so far we've had:
OSS: Europe vs. the USA
Gaming: Nintendo vs. Sony
Gaming: PCs vs. Consoles
Gaming: Sex & Gender vs. Gender
Platforms: Apple vs. Intel combined with MAC vs. Linux.
Google: New feature
Google: Owns all your data, again.
Linux & Apache: Used by popular (real) news site (wow).
Next up:
Flames vs. Yawns vs. News, the slashdot version of Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Sure, this is a troll, flame whatever. But isn't that what we do here lately?/p
I think this is a very important development for P2P file sharing. It will make the threshhold of proof much higher for sharers to be sued. The one thing that it won't help is the MPAA & individual studios sending an infringement notice letter to the sharer's ISP and spineless ISPs suspending people's accounts./p
So now the RIAA will have to not only subpoena the names of the people sharing files, but the actual logs of the ISPs to be able to prove that someone actually downloaded the file.
How likely are the RIAA to get these logs? Do the ISPs by law have to keep these logs?
But really, if I wasn't keeping the email on Google's servers, it would be on my own hard drive, which if the Government is going to serve a search warrant on Google, they could just as easily raid my house.
Yes, you could say my hard drive would be encrypted, or the Goverment could subpoena Google rather than serve a search warrant, but then, you shouldn't be doing anything illegal through a public company anyway, let alone in plain-text.
In summary, I find Gmail's interface and features worth the risk.
You can spot the affected systems right away - the screens are frozen and display the cryptic message: "All your base belong to us!"
So participating in a bittorrent may not be proof of wrong doing anymore. Would Fox now have to prove that someone actually came away from the swarm with a full Simpsons episode and that all of the bits came from me?
Discuss, discuss
Most of Google's magic is really data mining the semantic data from the Internet.
Gmail is nothing more than an attempt at getting a massive corpus of data on which to let their algorithms loose.
I really think that, while there is potential for abuse, this is really the only way to tackle their problem space. After all, Google doesn't really rank web sites, people do. It's just that Google has some really clever ways for determining that people liked a web site.
Sometimes it relates to webs of links, sometimes it relates to combinations of words, but Google's software doesn't deal in semantics--only algorithmically generating statistics from the data generated by people.
I don't worry so much about Google, I worry about our future AI overlords. Although, if a truly scalable Artificial Intelligence ever gets Internet access, I fear it has the potential to know us better than we do.
Sorry, but this completely invalidates any metric including the word "performance".
IBM's C compiler should be used on the Mac side (OSX now uses GCC 4.x BTW), Intels C compiler on the AMD64 side.
Do that, and try again.
Repeat after me - "GCC is crossplatform - performance sucks on all eequally".
SOFTWARE ERROR!! This story contains comments from another story, about a Linux fund.
The country itself need not have enough bandwidth. Distributed DoS could take down a box using american zombie PCs. And let me tell you, there is no dearth of those. An attack from the inside of the network is perfectly possible - ever read Andromeda Strain ?. A compromised machine inside your network would need you to have a LOT of scissors :)
> It's hard to afford computers and network access when 99.9% of your GDP goes to support your military and feed your people.Cyber warfare is military funded ... It is military without all the blood and guts routine - with all the Art of War fire tactics.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
So, let me see. If you offer to share something but no one takes it, it isn't considered distribution.
In other words, if you post copyrighted material on the net but no one downloads anything, you're fine.
A flaky decision. Wait for the appeal.
This seems to me like a victory for common sense. Using the fact that someone offers you files named, checksummed or otherwise identified as a specific song/resource is and should be no proof that those files are either being transferred or distributed. There were cases of this kind of stupidity with the RIAA sending out threats to people with files named with artist's and track names, without even verifying the contents, and this is clearly overstepping the mark. Until they can prove and verify that what you're offering is the valid song, and that you have actually distributed copies of it, it would seem highly bizarre that they could claim you were performing those acts.
mod this troll down, for:
strawman, nationalism, hyperbole.
and uhh, lack of meaning.
Likewise, it is arguable that a "securable" service that publicly offered a file, but where that file is not itself public but requires some sort of key or validation (which is how a lot of software is distributed by companies online, these days) is not actually offering the file in a usable state to everyone.
I don't know how well you could really apply that to most P2P networks, but it could certainly be argued that unless the plaintiff could prove that the file itself was public, it is not sufficient to argue that the label to it is. There would be sufficient grounds for reasonable doubt.
(Some other posters have noted cases where an offer IS sufficient, but those are typically cases where it is impossible for the offer to be legal, thus impossible for a mechanism to exist to only permit legal transactions.)
It does depend a little, though, on WHY the ruling was made. If it was for the reasons I've outlined, then it was a good ruling, based on common sense and more than a little technical savvy. Understanding the difference between a public index and a public document requires more than a little intelligence, even though it should be obvious.
Now, if we could only find a way to clone all of the smart judges.../p
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Eric from Shavlik, produced many counterpoints to this article by eWeek. It is not the final update for Windows 2000 - security updates will be released for it long after this roll-up.
So what does this mean for Bit torrent trackers?
They offer just a hash not the actual file.
A lot of companies I have visited recently still use Win2000 as their main desktop, have not yet and are unlikely to move to XP and will probably wait for a stable longhorn before changing. Given thats a couple of years away I think MS will have to support it by popular demand for a bit longer than they would like too.
Is that the final nail? I am still working with W2K - and I see no reason to upgrade.
I've run windows 2000 since it came out, and it's by far my favorite version of Windows. I've tried XP and had some significant problems. I went back to 2000 and didn't miss any of XPs features. I work with small businesses and always advise them to use Windows 2000 over anything else. XP basically offers nothing in features over 2000, and tends to have more problems in my experience.
The sad thing is that Microsoft hasn't come out with anything to make anyone really want to upgrade. Windows 95 had so many advantages over 3.1 I can't begin to list them, Windows 98 had USB where windows 95 had very limited USB support, NT4 had great stability, Windows 2000 had all the features of windows 98 plus great stability (and a slew of other things) ME.. well ME was a piece of crap. XP has.. user switching? A playskool like interface?
With Longhorn still in the distant future, and Windows 2000 support starting to dry up, who wants to make a crappy pit stop at XP waiting for Longhorn?
I'm not going to say our guys are smarter than their guys. But something tells me they don't have anywhere NEAR the cool toys that the CIA has to play with. Crypto smackdown, bring it on.
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A lack of history is an invention of big city. Anyone who has lived in a small town knows what it means to have your history (and that of your neighbors) known.
In some ways this is an example of techonlogy bringing us full circle.
our school gave us craptops with win 98 to use for school work. as long as we did our work and stayed out of trouble, they didnt really care what we did with the laptops.
we immediately started tweaking with them trying to improve the preformance and stability.
removing all the novell software was a great boost to the preformance.
upgrading to windoes xp expontntialy increased the stability, but with only 128mb ram, the preformance on xp left something to be desired.
then one of my pals tried windows 2000. it was perfect. stable, but not a ram whore.
redhat also ran prety good, but one of our classes required that we had M$ visual basic, so dual booting was the only choice to run *nix/p
Why would Neanderthals want to build a cave bear?/p
If this is going to work, scientists will need copies of both the DNA in the nucleus AND mitochondria (and ways to synthesize the nucleus and mitochondria of the target organism). Implanting a neanderthal nucleus in a human (or any other) kind of egg will not necessarily create a pure neanderthal clone (we might even need to clone the cytoplasmic contents). A study of cloning fish across species boundaries showed that some very basic physical characteristics (e.g., the number of vertebra in the backbone) were controlled by the mitochondria or cytoplasm of the egg, not by the genes in the nucleus.
It's amazing that they can reconstruct the DNA of long-dead creatures but its also clear that nuclear DNA is not the only information-carrying object in biological organisms.
Bang! You nailed it. Why are we so concerned about 'liberating' a country in the Middle East while we still have our huge problems? Lots of people living in poor suburbs, gang killings, huge unemployment rates, no medical insurance for poor people, etc., etc.
...8 years ago, as this article will show you.
When the Koreans find out the western world is using PC's now instead of the Amiga 500's they got off the black-market, they will surely shiver when they realize their X-Copy Pro skills are useless.
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Yes, what a shame. Unfortunately because of limitations with current technology and scientific knowledge, we won't be able to reproduce a race of ancient evil uber bears bent on destroying humans and swiping pic-a-nic baskets.
Cue the "I welcome our new Ancient Bear Overlords" comments.....
This is similar to what they did with NT4 SP7. Just before SP7 was to release, they went to a hotfix and nixed it.
So when will Google Maps be available for this universe?
My organization has about 80 Windows 2000 Professional desktops and no plans on upgrading yet. We are very good about getting all the updates as soon as they come out, but still see no reason to switch. I am honestly not trolling here, but what incentives besides "MS won't fix any further bugs" do we have? Is there anything that you found being worth the switch? We have roaming profiles and, up till now, very homogenious installs. The other side of the coin is how well XP behaves in Samba3 NT4-like domain. If it's any flakier than 2K, forget about it.
At least in the AIA (Air Intelligence Agency). There are huge separate, dedicated networks for each classification level.
I hope that isn't enough to get me killed or tossed in jail for life.
And if it does, the simulator in the simulated universe simulates other universe?
And if it does, does it include the simulator?
And this simulator...
"But hopefully no one will cut the phone-
cable, which we use to connect us phreaka-like
to da infiltraded south-imperialistic
satellite-uplink-station. And from dere to da
communikation bagbone of da world.
This would destroy all our dreams of aoa world dominadion...
Stalin is a cool!"
North Korea is known to be actively trying to achieve nuclear weapons.
North Korea is known to have killed thousands, if not millions of its own people thanks to its goverment (predominately famine).
North Korea is run by a complete and utter barking mad nutter.
So nuclear weapons... that puts them up with first world nations from the... 1940s and 50s. They have a rocket that can't even make it to Japan and their leader is much more interested in self-publicity and oppressing his population than almost anything else.
Having 500 "hackers" trying to compromise networks in the west... well they've been SPECTACULARLY successfull haven't they with all the networks they've caused to fail over the last few years.
North Korea is a Bad Country(tm) but lets not believe what South Korea says. We know that North Korea has no RADAR worth talking of as the US have deployed stealth fighters, which means the radar must be 20+ years out of date.
Backward country, backward leader, backward tech. They could build a huge amount (see South Korea) if they just stopped killing their own people, fortunately for all of us (and unfortunately for N Koreans) their leader appears to quite like doing the killing and posturing, more than actually delivering.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
You just see how motivated you would be to hack into that network.
I mean, look at how successful Electronic Arts is...
Yeah, but are they as good as my neigbor's 12 year old?
Dont they need electricity first? Last time i checked a night lights satellite of the world N Korea was one of the few dark spots.
I think we've all got a twisted view of the NSA. Certainly, they do monitor and react to hackers, crackers, etc. However, I think you'll find that the NSA is just another bloated intelligence group not really specializing in anything - even though their mandate may say so.
The CIA does have hackers. They're a SECRET organization; why would they go ahead and tell you they have them?
North Korea probably does have more bandwidth than you most give them credit. I mean Kim Jong-il has to download his porn from somewhere!
I didn't think they would even have computers, much less internet access.
the only permanence in existence, is the impermanence of existence.
If pwned = owned, does DPRK = DORK?
-- jay proulx pollensoft
This clame sounds like a farce. Political smoke.
Hackers are advanced techno spys. Announcing you have them really screws up how effective they are.
If they were as effective as the CIA counterparts they aren't anymore. Sure everyone knows the CIA has hackers but as a rule nobody thinks about them. You make your hackers know everyone is on guard against you.
As for how good they are, If they exist there is no way to know if they are any good at all.
They could be the authors of all the spam zombie viruses. They may have created the root kits. Or there hacking may be limited to TV ads saying you should share your passwords with the state.
I don't actually exist.
Aside from the fact that that's a mostly meaningless statement, perhaps he was referring to the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA).
"Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
...the only reason that North Korea hasn't
1) had the living shit stomped out of it
and/or
2) hasn't under gone a "Berlin Wall" type of "reunification"
is because:
1) North Korea is really South China
and
2) The DMZ is so heavily mined that any dumb-fsck peacenick that tries to "reunify" anything is in for an ugly surprise.
We're talking trade imbalances here, not hackers and nuclear weapons.
First hire a bunch of hot babes to work for you.
Now use those hot babes to make geeks post randomly on Slashdot.
Now your hacking as good as the hackers in the CIA.
I don't actually exist.
Joint Force Component Command for Network Warfare2 5230&tid=172&tid=103
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/18/14
Get it right kids, it was on slashdot April 18th.
This is a SOUTH korean paper about NORTH korean hackers. This is not one nation calling their own hackers l33t as numerous posts above have suggested.
Given how absurd some of his information is and given how much NK like to exaggerate and fabricate when self promoting, could this SK guy be working with NK? Did he just blow his cover?
What better reason to make such a dumbfounded statement that over-glorifies NK. This guy was paid to do it. Or at least his information source was.
Night vs. Day.
South Korea is the most "connected" nation in the world, with some 80% of households having broadband, and the average broadband connection being 4 MBits/s.
North Korea, well, can hardly feed themselves.
Take a look at North Korea vs South Korea in this NASA "Earth at night" image; it's really telling. South Korea is amongst brightest countries in the world, while North Korea is just this sudden dark, dark "void" sitting conspicuously between South Korea and China.
But I call BS. Probably nothing more than FUD, paranoia, and hot air
I am Spartacus
The CIA? That blows any sort of credibility in the report. The CIA doesnt run "hakcers", the Department of Defense does, HQ'd on an Airforce base. It was publicised back in April in this article on Wired.com Yes there is a trehat to the free world's information infrastructure. And it is a danger. But the main article far overstates it. The referenced original article is propaganda, pure and simple. Someone must want some budget money, so they scare up a foe to be bigger than it is.
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nuf said
He claims the DPRK hackers to be 'equal to that of the CIA,' whatever that might mean."
I take that to mean their sloppy script kiddies with government funding. They get caught frequently, only successful in the most rudementry of attempts, and are hired because their budy was the step son of the director.
If he had said the NSA I'd be impressed.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Those who love their country know that there's no such thing as "good enough".
Those who hate everything good about America tend to rant on and on about liberals.
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You should consider that in warfare (electronic or physical) one of the major breakers isn't manpower but technology. A country with an armed force of a a million soldiers carrying rifles isn't going to do much against several thousand fighter-jets, laser-guided bombs, battleships, and tanks.
The internet is a bit of a different battleground though, your tech doesn't have to be good so long as you can 0WNZ3R somebody else's tech... and trust me there are lots of powerful botnets etc there out on the market...
Judging by the handholding I've done for the folks at DISA, who don't even know how to go to a website or read a screen ("I want to request access. The button says 'Request Access'. Should I click that?"), plus a recent report that showed DISA PCs disproportionately highly infected with spyware, I seriously believe DISA is mis-named.
Westwood has known this for years.
somebody is in need of extra funding. Just bring out the terrorists and the koreans (the EVIL commie ones).
North Korea is a recognized terrorist state
Overview of State-Sponsored Terrorism
This page is over 4 years old but still seems to be official as it is still 'up' at the time of this post.
Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and Syria are also on this list for various reasons. Read the page for more information if you want to.
P.S. Want to export crypto outside USA/Canada and are in the USA? Read this first!
Crypto is (ultimately?) math.
Why treat a reversible mathematical transformation as a 'dangerous weapon' just because it can be used to hide secrets?
The 'terrorists' are using strong crypto in defiance of any countries rules on the subject. Why hamstring e-commerce and computer programmers world wide because of it?
Well, as a last resort, there is always Chaffing and Winnowing: Confidentiality without Encryption Let's see governments worldwide outlaw that!
They, sort of, just have to type something like:
212.34.124.34:backdoor-sezam
and have the full access to c:\ on any PC
this whole topic is l33t. We all know that the real reason North Korea is trying to hack the US is because they want access to free pr0n.
There are 10 types of people in the world; those who can read binary, and those who can't.
don't know but was this the work of the north korean hackers? http://news.techwhack.com/1347/04060505-msn-korea- hacked-for-stealing-user-passwords/
by the way...notice the article says independent parties reported this perhaps there are other independent parties in the U.S. who are even more capable than the CIA. just a guess
Some people believe 1-1=3 and for the sake of being politically correct, we should respect their differences
1.5+ million people died due to U.N. sanctions on Iraq, lobbied by U.S. Around 200,000 dead due to war. Untold numbers to due to DU-exposure.
http://interterror.org/
Think on this.
At the least N.K. has sticked to fscking their OWN country, instead of others'.
no, the preventative war worked really well. Now it must be said I have no idea why nearly 2000 American troops were prepared to die to protect the nascent Islamonuclear state of Iran from Saddam but they are sitting pretty as a result anyway.
I agree with you whole heartedly. When the nukes are flying we'll see which is easier, having a large army with missile defence capability, a disparate population, and liquid movemnent - or companies making backup.
I cant help but think, we've seen what the world did in response to S11. Lets see what they do to a national threat.
> North Korea 'employs 500-600 hackers who are tasked with hacking into
> computer networks and disabling enemy command and communication systems.'
I served as an officer in an IT unit in the IDF.
All the computers that were connected to the Internet or to any other outside networks, were dedicated to the task and disconnected from the military networks.
North Korea, or any other organization of "hackers" for that matter, are going to have a hard time "hacking into computer networks" they don't have physical access to.
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....
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Apparently North Korea granted political asylum to some hijackers...in 1970, and they might have sold some weapons to a seperatist group that the Phillipino government regards as terrorists...or they might not have.
I am impressed with the comments of some posters here saying "I need Junk food and soda to hack" and impressed by Korean Hackers. I should not say a word about locations but dudes.. when a guy dont see up he thinks he's the highst point.
Hackrslab.
According to http://cfrterrorism.org/sponsors/northkorea2.html
# a 1983 bombing during a South Korean state visit to Burma that killed 17 South Koreans, including several cabinet members, and narrowly missed killing then South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan;
# and a 1987 in-flight bombing of a Korean Air Lines passenger jet that killed all 115 people on board.
Of course, you can't prove any of this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Kim Jong-Il is elected God, rides shooting star to Heaven. People among fittest in world. Rice production up 300%. DRPK doubleplusgood, America doubleplusungood. End of disinformation.