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Longhorn Beta Begins
gcnaddict writes "Microsoft has officially sent invitations to their best beta testers and to WinHEC participants for their Windows Code Name Longhorn beta program. They also unveiled a new Beta Client which promises to be better than the current beta management systems, and will replace other means of beta distribution, including WindowsBeta and BetaPlace all in one fell swoop. While the new, highly anticipated operating system is not up for download, Beta 1 is expected to be up for grabs later this month. Unfortunately, it seems that the preliminary invitation codes are unique per user. Microsoft is expected to allow the public to apply for the beta program later this summer, and as usual, Longhorn will be a part of the Community Technology Preview program."
I didn't realize Microsoft was releasing it to consumers this early.
Euhm, highly anticipated?
What is CowboyNeil smoking?
Have they disabled a lot of stuff like they have in the 'rc' releases of longhorn? Or is all the 'glits' tossed in (visual effects and the like)?
Will it run on Linux?
Huh? Where is the torrent? gcnaddict forgot to add the torrent link. I plan to install this on my 233 MHz Dell Latitude 64 MB of RAM. I got Windows 2000 Professional to install on my 133 MHz Dell Dimension with 32 MB of RAM (albeit Windows complained about running too low on virtual memory), so I know this laptop will run Longhorn.
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At this point the only fitting name is...
LongTooth!
-- thinkyhead software and media
I'm happy with XP.
It never crashes
I don't get viruses or spyware or hacks
All the software I need works fine
I have all the connectivity I need
So why is expecting people to upgrade?
Where's the torrent?
In undeveloped countries, the consumer controls the market. In capitalist America, the market controls you.
Reading this makes me want to punch myself in the face with all of the marketing-speak.
Avalon: new opportunities for developing exciting applications while reducing complexity
Indigo: radically simplifies how the next generation of connected systems will be built.
AERO: a new design philosophy that delivers a compelling user experience from the moment users start interacting with the computer to the moment they leave.
Compelling? I don't want my UI to be a driving force or something like that. I want it to be easy and simple. Exciting applications? When was the last time that Microsoft Excel got your blood pumping and you wanted to scream HELL YEA! THIS IS AWESOME!!
I assume that where you wrote 'glits' you meant to write 'bling'.
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Let's just hope Microsoft doesn't remove this beta management system by the time Longhorn is released, as has happened to so many other features.
here in brasil (and maybe other latin countries like italy too) is said that a man cheated by his wife or girlfriend has "horns". so what makes microsoft think that i'll want "long horns" ???
What ? Me, worry ?
With all the features dropped recently, can't I just participate in the beta with my copy of XP?
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Yes, because running an operating system makes you a slave. A SLAVE!
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Clearly you need to be re-educated. Please navigate to Microsoft.com and follow the links.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Longhorn? More like shoehorn, the way they're trying to cram all these new "features" into it.
With all the visual frosting MS is laying on Longhorn is turning into an episode of "Pimp my OS"
"This Web site describes current aspirations, scenarios, and advancements being considered for the family of future Microsoft Windows client operating system offerings, code-named Longhorn. There is no guarantee, implied or otherwise, concerning final Longhorn release features or attributes. This statement of the Longhorn aspirations was last updated April 25, 2005."
and what do we know of MS marketing hype history?
maybe something might work...but that idea is far out...
Go to the w3.org and put Slashdot.org through the validator.
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It's starting to look very nice!
They're starting the alpha now-- the beta test doesn't begin until it's on store shelves, and lasts until SP1 (what they SHOULD have shipped as the final product) is released.
How much will i have to pay to try the beta?
Wondering why i am doing so strange posts? I am trying to get a "+5,Flamebait" or "-1,Insightful" rating.
just so that all the alternate OSes are covered, my note will read something along the lines of "thanks Bill, but I got my copy off Steve a few months ago - and it ain't a beta"
-- james
...when they got rid of Clippy of course.
Not excited?!?! You need to go to an M$ developers conference! - (MPEG 1.6 meg)
from the page footer:
"This Web site describes current aspirations, scenarios, and advancements being considered for the family of future Microsoft Windows client operating system offerings, code-named Longhorn. There is no guarantee, implied or otherwise, concerning final Longhorn release features or attributes. This statement of the Longhorn aspirations was last updated April 25, 2005."
to see which color they picked for the Screen of Death.
What do you mean Microsoft office doesn't get your blood pumping!?
Last time I used MS Word I was cursing and screaming only a few minutes after I started working!
A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
It says that W/Longhorn will be "the most secure version of Windows ever." Didn't they say that about W/XP?
While calling people using windows slaves is childish, ignoring these issue isn't exactly mature either.
Bitching about it on a web site where everybody will validate your opinions for you, on the other hand...
Think of it as "working for MS without getting paid."
Yup... Checked my gmail and sure enough, there it is.
Two cheers for irony.
Scott Swezey
Come now. Because Microsoft tells them they do.
It't not as if that's different from any industry in the world. You need very little, but companies tell you you need very much. It's how capitalism works.
http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
Favorite example:
Would you refuse to buy a dinette set called 'Notable' because, obviously, it says there is "no table"?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Did they fix the "Shut do..." menu? Did they get rid of the 16-color icons sprinkled into the last version? Are they still putting the menu bar under the location bar, but above the toolbar for no discernible reason? Does the UI still suck?
I know the last alpha or whatever that people had screenshots of was supposed to be for testing driver or whatever, but holy crap, it was a total UI train wreck. Just ugly, with styles mashed together at random, for no reason.
So, has it been fixed? Or will that be in Longhorn SP2?
How come most of the screenshots I see make Longhorn look like AOL for hardware? Where is the "big change?"
Because it will be bundled with every new computer they buy. Eventually the Windows XP update source will be shut down so you won't be able to get security patches. You'll either need to upgrade or risk having your machine be easily exploitable.
Oh oh oh!! I have an even better one... Microsoft could deactivate your copy of Windows XP or shut down their Windows XP activation process so you can't re-activate new installations once you upgrade your machine. That would be pretty devious of them and probably get them in trouble with the government again, but we're completely at the whim of Microsoft when it comes to installing XP on new machines (unless you have some corp licensed copy or a cracked copy of course).
I have, in fact, responded that way to Excel. Not becuse I like Excel (I loathe spreadsheets with a passion that is difficut to convey) but because I'd just been using OpenOffice.org Calc and Excel was such an amazing relief that it was positively delightful.
Scary, eh?
* Replacement of Win32 with.NET, even explorer.exe is running as managed code in the leaked betas. I can't even begin to list the advantages of this..NET is great, and with Mono making great strides in the language specification, any language will be able to compile intermediate.NET code, and code from different languages will operate together without a care. * Avalon--presentation system that is completely hardware-accelerated and vector-based. One video showed two Notepads rotating around while still completely usable at the same time a video played in Media Player. Old apps will be compatible. * XAML and other technologies--I've said it before, but it was just such a cool example. During an MSDN video (freely available at the site), the dev used Win32 Emacs to write a 10-15 XAML app that let him update his blog, complete with resized vector graphics and a video of moving clouds looping on the background of the window, all using the command-line.NET compiler. * WinFS will still exist. They're just cutting a few features that will probably be re-introduced in a service pack anyway. WinFS is incredibly exciting--one WinFS dev went to the command line and did a query for certain employees within the last week, and it came up in less than a second. No more brute-force searching. Also, no file drives. And yet, they're retaining folder and drive structures in case you want to operate that way. * Aero--this is their top-secret interface yet to be unvieled. See, Longhorn has multiple tiers of visual operation. If you can't handle the effects, it scales back to a lesser tier, going all the way down to an unaccelerated 2D inteface like that of Windows 2000. Aero is the top tier and is supposed to be, according to them, "photorealistic" and will be a new interface for Windows taking advantage of 3D acceleration. They said they don't want to reveal any of it until release because they fear it will be ripped off by competitors (a fair judgment considering all the ripped-off Start menus and taskbars on standard Linux desktops...).
~American~ companies don't think about it. European companies do. Have done so for a long time.
You do a good job of it when you recognize the need to do business with people who don't speak your language.
A "longhorn" is a kind of cattle popular in US cattle country, e.g. Texas. Means nothing to anyone else... except maybe the Masai in Africa, because some of their wildebeests have big headgear too.
How many Masai will be on the beta list is hard to say.
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
Obviously, Microsoft has accepted the fact that Windows is only good for one thing and that is gaming. LH will be the first step towards their new, exciting platform claled "PC 360", which will combine the simplicity of hacking the Windows internals with the versatility of the XBox and a user interface so full of eyecandy that even Steve Jobs' eyes will glaze over as he goes into a seizure. All that for just 499 USD (hardware not included)!
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
LongTooth!
I think Wronghorn might be more appropriate.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
We're talking about Joe Average User; of course he has a cracked version. Non-cracked/non-corporate Windowses are only used by corporations...
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
You'll either need to upgrade or risk having your machine be easily exploitable. i think you're right, but it should be "even more easily exploitable than if you kept it up to date with ms patches".. and with the obvious new issue of them letting through their newly acquired spyware software. this is why im moving to linux for internet use. windows is only going to become -worse- for 'average joe' not better.
Quite impressive as XP obviously isn't even out of beta yet.
Unable to read configuration file '/bigassraid/htdig//conf/14229.conf'
Geocrawler error message.
Then they'd bad-mouth it and say how awesome their Ubuntu machine is.
Um. Yup. That's what'd I do. And I'm not even a Linux zealot ^_^
Dear Microsoft Beta Tester,
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We are pleased to offer you an early preview of Windows, Code-Name "Longhorn," by extending this invitation to join the Longhorn beta program. Your participation is completely voluntary. Longhorn Beta Program participants will preview software for the next generation of Windows as well as Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. If you choose to participate you will have the opportunity to provide Microsoft with feedback as we continue work on these exciting new releases.
What is Windows Code-Name "Longhorn"?
The next version of Windows, Code-Name "Longhorn," promises to be the most secure and intuitive Windows release to date. It delivers on the promise of allowing people to use their computers more effectively and confidently to achieve their goals and pursue their passions. It offers new tools to help protect the integrity of your system and your information, easier ways to find, visualize and organize your information, and provides better integration across applications, devices and systems.
Longhorn will provide advancements in the following key areas:
- A strong focus on the fundamentals of the operating system, including advancements in reliability, performance, deployment, and ease of use.
- Major improvements to help PC users to work smarter and provide exciting new experiences for home users.
- The next-generation developer platform to make it easier for developers to create breakthrough applications.
What you can expect if you choose to participate:
You will be notified by email this summer when the software becomes available to test. The beta software will be available via download. If you elect to receive mailed releases, only major milestone releases (Beta1, Beta 2, etc) will be sent to you.
Participants can expect access to Windows, Windows Server, the Windows Driver Kit the Platform Software Development Kit as well as Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. We may make other software available as well, and it's important to note that some of the above software may not be available immediately after the program gets underway.
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and THEY'RE mostly still using win2k hehe
Will trade 50 gmail invitations for one longhorn invitation
Open Source Alternatives
When can I get my burned copy of the "Corporate" edition?
MadOgre.com
Can anyone tell me if current beta tests of longhorn run under VMware and if so, under what settings? Thanks
Given the traditional meaning and use behind the phrase is that the husband has been shamed and/or humiliated publically by his wife, it does suggest some interesting ideas for interpreting what it means to receive Microsoft's longhorn.
But I preferred the steer comparison instead, for certainly Microsoft is a rancher that is all hat and no cattle.
It's red.
Wait a minute... I'm really confused. I thought we're still on Windows XP beta. You mean I'm running the _final_ version???
Don't you dare disparage the feedback loop of the internet.
The entire system of reinforcement of already strongly held opinion is the most powerful factor in allowing our governmental overlords to consolidate their control over us - attempting to dismantle this system will result in powermongers losing their power, and we can't have that.
Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
http://savingiceland.org
Go take a look at the nearest convenient copy of Much Ado About Nothing, particularly those with some analysis/background/fu in them, and read a little about cuckoldry. It's an archaic term in English these days, but....
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
When was the last time that Microsoft Excel got your blood pumping and you wanted to scream HELL YEA! THIS IS AWESOME!!
Yesterday! Excel is an excellend RAD environment in which to get quantitative analysis and presentation of data done.
Or more appropriately, Stillborn.
It's the Total Cost of Ownership. The Beta is free, just to get you hooked.
Then the cost starts adding up:
Three all nighters to recreate the documents you lost when M$ Office 2010 crashes,
Two days of reformatting your system, when some scriptkiddy hijacks your computers using a new exploit to a new feature,
A week of trying to explain to your grandmother that the fifteen toolbars she's installed in the new version of IE really aren't protecting her from popups,
6 Months of cumulative lost CPU time when your 64 bit processor is kinda working with a mainly 32 bit OS,
and 2 hours on the phone talking with M$ support to convince them that the serial number they gave you should work to install the Beta in the first place.
But hey, at least you now have an RSS screensaver!
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
I think there is a strong chance that we will close the window when we want to maximize the window. Because the two buttons on the right upper corner of window are too close.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
When the allies after the Second World War delivered / dropped large numbers of packages for children, etc. marked "Gift"?
Thats a blast from the recent past.
Here's a selection of videos
For kicks (or if you're bored), do a google search on monkey boy ballmer.
Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."
With comments like that you can't be taken seriously. If you actually ever sat down and used excel to its full potential you would find that it has some incredible features. I use it everyday, and no, it has never once crashed. And yes, some times I do want to scream, hell yea this is awesome. The Microsoft bashing is getting to be a little excessive. Everyone else doing it doesn't make it cool or right. Get a grip.
Hardly anyone writes viruses for 16-bit windows nowadays, so Windows 3.11 is your best bet for rock-solid reliability, etc. Especially if you run it in Dosbox on Linux.
Yay! Now we can see the red screen of death.
RELEASE
ENHANCEWARE MEMBER ALLIANCE TO START BETA TESTING LONGHORN
July 9, 2005
The Enhanceware Member Alliance has announced they will start beta testing Longhorn.
"We can't wait to see what great ideas Microsoft plans to implement with Longhorn. We are confident we can make a great operating system even BETTER!!!!" said Dewey, chief architect for ABetterInternet.
Longhorn promises major advances in security.
"We can't wait to work with Microsoft to help them to help us get our applications on Longhorn users' systems," said Cheatum, reintegration/reinstallation vice-president for Qoologic.
Indeed, the EMA will be working directly with Microsoft development teams to provide the best experience the EMA can offer.
"Longhorn promises to be the best operating system for EMA members. We're confident the enhancements Microsoft will certainly add to Longhorn will provide wonderful unforseen benefits for EMA members," said Howe, spokesperson for Claria.
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
I'm a complete Linux convert.
Programs like Amarok for music and Qalculate for my college work (for example) are far better than anything I ever used on Windows.
I have Mepis on my laptop and Ubuntu and Fedora on my desktop. I even have Linux on my PS2.
Looking at Longhorn, it looks ugly, incomplete and rushed. If I installed a copy, the first thing I'd do would be to install Firefox.
So why am I so desperate to be invited to the Beta program? Its like a compulsion. Maybe there are some "Winuser Anonymous" meetings I can go to...
With a "z". Please get your Yiddish correct.
Let me be the first to welcome our Bovine Overlords. There, it has been said in this thread too.
says it all, really.
You say that Win XP sucks, but then you also ask why anyone would upgrade. Pick one or the other.
Amarok looks a lot like iTunes to me. Qalculate looks interesting enough if you're a math geek, I guess. Firefox is over-rated.
Over the last couple of years I've been slowly migrating away from Windows. The only thing that keeps me dual-booting is DVD Shrink. I finally got that working in Wine (thanks to this guide on the Gentoo Forums...
Windows XP is the last version of Windows that I will ever use.
--Ajay
Where I'm from, AERO is a chocolate bar....
~Idarubicin
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And will you be completely screwed if you have a Pentium D and a motherboard with a 945 (or 955) chipset?
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121027,
Privacy begins with
Yuk.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Especially in the current development tree, amaroK goes far beyond iTunes. First off, it is far faster on comparable hardware (yeah I admit that is because the windows port of iTunes is TERRIBLE), second, while it has a collection, it is playlist-centric. This may sound like nit-picking but if you use it you will see the difference. Third, it is fully integrated with audioscrobbler, musicbrainz, etc. Fourth, it has built-in lyric and wikipedia fetching. Fifth, (yeah I should have used a bulleted list), it has support for storing its collection in a "real" database (My/PostgreSQL). If you try it though, be sure to get xine installed and configured right, b/c all the other engines just aren't as good. About the only thing it is missing is support in its "mobile device" tab for more than just the ipod kioslave.
On a more serious note, this beta is not really a consumer beta. It's intended for IT departments. Beta 1 is roughly 75% feature-complete. All the big core features are in there but it won't be until Beta 2 that the OS is feature-complete. What's left over is a lot of spiffy UI that consumers like so much.
You don't have the Longhorn beta because it hasn't been released yet. They're fixing bugs up to the release date.
Longhorn does a great job stopping the most common causes of BSODs in XP, which are video drivers and virus scanners. It has kernel logic that lets it reinitalize a video driver if it faults without compromising the system. And as for virus scanners, they sandboxed in the kernel file system filters to protect against flaky software. And that's just the tip of the iceburg. When they're talking about reliability in Longhorn, they're serious.
Why on earth does that website claim Aero bars are "unique to Canada"?
Amarok is "far better" than anything on Windows? I'm a Linux user like you, but I've hardly found many programs on it I'd consider "far better" than anything on Windows.
I think folks around here get a bit overzealous over software that does the same thing I can do on Windows, but does it for free.
With all the visual frosting MS is laying on Longhorn is turning into an episode of "Pimp my OS"
It would be like "Pimp my OS", but sadly Apple has patented the spinner.
Software patents strike again!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The thing is, XAML is the new Applet and AJAX is the new Javascript (yes I know it IS javascript, but sort of working at a higher level than before) with pretty much the same path before them.
I'm not sure what you meant by your ominous comment, but in 3-5 years I see a Microsoft with 75% desktop (split between Linux taking over corporate desktops and OS X intruding from the consumer end, not that there's not crossover as well) with small devices proliferating and taking up consumer market share as well.
Nothing in Longhorn (or even not in Longhorn) really makes me think any differently of the future ahead.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I don't know, I htink the BSOD has been replaced by the AERO XAML Reaper of Doom, a 3D tranlucent reaper who flaots to the forefront and tears your documents up in front of you, pixel by pixel.
Thank's to new levels of integration with MSDN. every system crash will also now randomly delete email from your Hotmail account, as well as from a few other random Hotmail users for good measure! You can tell some people have had early access to the beta.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It doesn't matter whether or not what you're posting makes sense. Just so long as it bashes "EVIL EMPIRE MICRO$$$OFT", you'll get modded up!
Ron dies in chapter 9 of book 7.
DVD Shrink installs and works fine in the current release codeweavers, too btw if anyone is interested. (Yes, I know codeweavers IS wine.) Anyone know of a Linux equivalent program though, that will rip then immediately make a dvd iso- with no compression, or loss of quality by encoding?
I hope the final product is infinitely more exciting than the alphas, screenshots, and so on I've already seen are...for Microsoft's sake, anywayz.
I've made the comment before that one way or another, Longhorn is going to represent Microsoft's last stand. I give it around an 80% chance that whatever they release, (unless it's darn near miraculous) it's not going to be able to either stem the tide of defections to Linux, or force existing Windows users to upgrade. Then there are the usual issues of not being able to completely reinvent the wheel because of needing to maintain backward compatibility. Windows needs to be rebuilt from the ground up...but that is the one thing they can't do.
If Longhorn is a failure, (and as I've said, for numerous reasons I think it's virtually inevitable that it will be) it's going to be extremely interesting to see what Microsoft tries to do next.
Somebody modding out there hates the term Wronghorn .
Maybe I should call it MS Wronghorn for the Microsoft schills out there.
3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
How precisely do you plan to install all that other software that doesn't ship with your OS?
The original poster said that the *ONLY* difference between the system was a regsistry key. That's patently false in many ways that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could see.
Is Fedora Core and Red Hat Advanced Server the same thing with only a configuration file difference? No, it's the software that comes with it that makes the difference.
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And then I get modded Funny. Great.
I can top that. I ran the first release of XP on my old Hitachi laptop with 133MHz processor, 3GB hdd, and 92MB of RAM, while also dualbooting with Red Hat 7.1. And I did this when I was 14.
The computer actually ran quite well, and I used it for months. Ended up dropping it down a flight of stairs and busted the power supply. It'll charge its mostly dead battery for fifteen seconds, which lets it shut itself off right when it hits the XP boot screen.
'Whistler north of Redmond' is like saying that New York is east of the Pacific, or that Mexico is south of the North Pole.
> The problem is that any server that runs a Windowing UI is wasting resources and therefore not under real consideration of prime server markets.
Primer Server Market people need to go to computer school to learn what an interrupt is.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I agree. There are few programs on Linux that are "far better" than Windows programs. But I do genuinely prefer Amarok to anything I used on Windows. I dunno, maybe I was missing out on something big, but I really think Amarok is awesome, mostly for reasons another responder said.
Have you used Amarok? If not, try it immediately.
And yet, as per usual with someone making your defense, you're interestingly unable to provide a single example to prove your point.
I believe a "kthx" is in order. Have a nice day.
All I know about Bush is I had a good job when Clinton was president.
I gave a ton of examples already. Simply saying I didn't is a bit orwellian, don't you think? Read up a few levels.
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REMOTE EXPLOITS, OUT OF THE BOX
but you are right, nothing is 100%
but I just had to laugh, all but the syscall article were published before 2003 !!
> OpenBSD is limited, period!
You say that like it's a bad thing.
> OpenBSD is not as flexible, ubiquitous, & powerful overall vs Windows Server 2003.
some of us call that a feature (except your erroneous "powerful" observation, unless, of course, you have a metric for that - no? thought not)
APK - give it up or I might have to go plan9 on you
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
it has the features I want in my operating system
Active Directories
MSN Messenger
Windows Media Player
Solitaire
Cdonts
IIS
are all stuff I can happily live without
I can get out the OpenBSD CDs, install a box and happily and without concern attach it directly to the internet and be safe in the knowledge that I won't be rooted, all inside 20 minutes.
That is my favourite feature.
Wow, you cite the limitation of systrace as a metric as to why Windows is more Powerful than OpenBSD. hahahahaha
go away now please
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I think we'd better agree to disagree
I'm sorry I called you deluded, it's just the fun of bravado and certainly nothing personal =)
I'm not even that in love with OpenBSD tbh. it's just the better of a bad bunch. And it does my things the way I want them doing. I guess my desktop would fill you with horror =)
http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/basic_screen.gif
Superusers are a design mistake, forgivable for the 60s/70s but just plain idiotic now. Almost everything else stems out of that crippling blow. Privilege escalation is the curse.
Windows has it's own design problems built out of trying to bring a rich set of features to the user/developer. Perhaps the biggest problem was the late incorporation of HTML into the UI due to the failure of the pre-HTTP MSN.
Now both camps are dealing with the horrors of backwards compatibility and Windows ubiquitous monoculture gives them this massive inertia.
You can keep your HumVee. They don't even fit on our roads so if you ever come here you'd better hire a horse !
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