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New Material Harder Than Diamond

h4x0r-3l337 writes "Diamond is no longer the hardest substance known to man. Scientists have created a new material, called "aggregated diamond nanorods" by compressing carbon-60 under high heat. From the article: 'The hardness of a material is measured by its isothermal bulk modulus. Aggregated diamond nanorods have a modulus of 491 gigapascals (GPa), compared with 442 GPa for conventional diamond.'"

450 comments

  1. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    491 gigapascals.... Wow!!!

    WTF is a gigapascal?

    1. Re:hmmm by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 4, Informative

      100000000 Pascals. It's a unit of pressure. It's equal to 1000 bar or 29,529.99 inches of mercury

    2. Re:hmmm by mad.frog · · Score: 4, Funny

      And here I thought it was some cool new programming language (presumably a billion times better than old fashioned Pascal...)

    3. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      491 gigapascals.... Wow!!! WTF is a gigapascal?

      program gigapascal(output);
                procedure WriteResponseHeader;
              begin
                      writeln('content-type: text/html');
                      writeln
              end;

      begin
              WriteResponseHeader;
              writeln('[HTML]');
              writeln('[HEAD]');
              writeln('[TITLE]GigaPascal[/TITLE>');
              writeln('[/HEAD]');
              writeln('[BODY]');
              giga := 0
                        while [ i [less than] 1000000000 ] DO:
                        giga := giga + 1;
                        writeln('[BIG] This is a Gigapascal! How the hell are you? [/BIG]');
                        endfor;
              writeln('[/BODY]');
              writeln('[/HTML]')
      end.

      [edit requires to get slashdot to accept this]
      Any questions?

    4. Re:hmmm by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is from the article:

      The group created the ADNRs by compressing the carbon-60 molecules to 20 GPa, which is nearly 200 times atmospheric pressure, while simultaneously heating to 2500 Kelvin. "The synthesis was possible due to a unique 5000-tonne multianvil press at Bayerisches Geoinstitut in Bayreuth that is capable of reaching pressures of 25 GPa and temperatures of 2700 K at the same time," Dubrovinskaia told PhysicsWeb.

      I was reading that and I thought, 200 atmospheres? What do they need the 5000 ton multianvil press for? They messed it up. 20 GPa is 200000 atmospheres, not 200.

    5. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      presumably a billion times better than old fashioned Pascal.

      Ah, you are talking about VB.NET!

    6. Re:hmmm by coolgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone give this guy a wedgie. He remembers how to program in Pascal.

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    7. Re:hmmm by art6217 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a pressure unit. 1 Pascal = 1 Newton / square meter On Earth, an object of ~ 0.98 kg, standing on a 1 square centimeter base ( ~ an iron rod 1.3 meters long, 1.13 cm diameter ) , would exert because of its weight a pressure of about 0.1 megapascal. Typical atmospheric pressure ~ 1013 hPa = about 0.1 MPa too. 1GPa is 10000 as much as in these examples (i. e imagine the same iron rod 13 km long). By the way, compare the first two examples, and you'll see that an astronaut in a vacuum might feel not very comfortable.

    8. Re:hmmm by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      Wow, Pascal must've been one gawd-awful programming language...

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    9. Re:hmmm by DongleFondle · · Score: 1

      Take your hands off your bawls and go to sleep. You just answered someone's question in code.

    10. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I think you mean 1000000000 pascals, actually.

    11. Re:hmmm by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      He remembers how to program in Pascal.

      No he doesn't, he really messed up the while loop.

    12. Re:hmmm by Heidistein · · Score: 1

      Wha? Some int topped over its max value, and changed to something far below 0?
      No wonder when just addid 491 giga to some int without checking...! ;-)

    13. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he doesn't, he really messed up the while loop.

      While there is an error in the variable i vs giga... you can close a while loop with either end or endfor in MS Pascel IIRC. Not sure about Turbo or Irie Pascal or anything more modern. endwhile would have probally been correct, or just end.

      The program declarations seem to be what I remember as being correct. What scares me is this is clearly a pascal CGI script.

      But you get a double wedgie for correcting pascal code.

    14. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope, punch him in the neck, he totally doesn't

    15. Re:hmmm by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      you can close a while loop with either end or endfor in MS Pascel IIRC.

      I never used MS Pascal, but I'm reasonably sure this is not true. In Pascal while loops are followed by a single statement (which may be compound). You don't need special syntax to close them.

      But you get a double wedgie for correcting pascal code.

      Ouch! I object! That wasn't Pascal code!

    16. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch! I object! That wasn't Pascal code!

      program biteme;

      var bgcolor : hex;
      var textcolor : hex;
      var Text : string;

      begin

          writeln('Content-type: text/html');
          writeln('html');
          writeln('head');
          writeln('[title]Bite Me![/title]');
          writeln('[/head]');
          bgcolor := FFFFFF;
          textcolor := 000000;
          Text := 'Looks like pascal to me!';
          writeln('[body bgcolor=#',bgcolor,']');
          writeln('[font color=#',textcolor,']');
          writeln(Text,'[/font]');
          writeln('[/body]')
      end

    17. Re:hmmm by troon · · Score: 2, Informative

      100000000 Pascals. It's a unit of pressure. It's equal to 1000 bar...

      You missed off a zero, and isn't 1 bar equal to 101325 Pascals?

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    18. Re:hmmm by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, that's almost half a mile of mercury!

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    19. Re:hmmm by fanblade · · Score: 1

      100000000 Pascals

      Sorry, I believe you're missing a zero. Giga is 10^9.

    20. Re:hmmm by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that such a material could be made - there are a lot of new potential materials out there, so don't expect this record to stand forever. For example, pressure-induced interlinking of carbon nanotubes could potentially best it. There's no reason to think that C60 is going to be the best source material to interlink.

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    21. Re:hmmm by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Yes, one. Shouldn't you be using "giga" as the loop variable instead of "i"?

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    22. Re:hmmm by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      I've never been a Pascal programmer, but does the variable "i" increment itself?

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    23. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What scares me is this is clearly a pascal CGI script. So what? In fact some people even write their CGI scripts in Perl.

    24. Re:hmmm by Izhido · · Score: 1
      "endfor"? WTF is a "endfor"?????

      "i"???? Where did you declare it?

      Hmm, now that I think about it, where the #&(@" did you declare "giga"????

      "DO:"????

      AAAARRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

      (sniff) I miss these ol'good days a lot... and NOW, you post such a thing!!! GRRRRRRRR!!!! I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneoneIIII

      (runs away, crying)

    25. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he forgot the uses clause for a start.

    26. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no

    27. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, one. Shouldn't you be using "giga" as the loop variable instead of "i"?

      Yes I fucked up when I was re-editing the post in a way slashdot would accept it without truncating lines. I was thinking giga to make it clear it was a giga, but I was in the habit of using i for incremental variables... so yes, I screwed up.

      But that's not the point.

    28. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "endfor"? WTF is a "endfor"?????

      To end the if for else while loop, very sloppy but worked in MS Pascal IIRC.

      "DO:"????

      That's in my book on while loops, but it's been a while since I used pascal.

      Keep in mind that this is pascal, not Ada. Syntax and commands are different among all the flavours available.

      "i"???? Where did you declare it? Hmm, now that I think about it, where the #&(@" did you declare "giga"????

      It's not declared, so this won't compile... not that it's not possible that some versions of pascal will auto declare.

      (sniff) I miss these ol'good days a lot... and NOW, you post such a thing!!! GRRRRRRRR!!!! I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneoneIIII

      What should make you sad is someone posts such a thing as a joke, gets some of the details wrong because is an obsolete language not in common use. In fact, the only people I know who have programed in pascal are those who were CIS majors that required two semesters of Pascal. And it's not like the teachers really used Pascal either... you ask them a question... any question... and they always reply "look at the mod fuction" even if the mod fuction had nothing at all to do with the question.

    29. Re:hmmm by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 2, Informative
      and isn't 1 bar equal to 101325 Pascals?

      Not according to either Wikipedia or google.
      You're making the mistake of thinking that standard atmospheric pressure is 1 bar, it's actually 1.01325 bar (or 1013.25 millibar)
      (and yes, I missed a zero)
    30. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that really surprising on /. ?
      Its one of the older slashdot jokes, as a matter of fact, the code snippet.

    31. Re:hmmm by richardpaulhall · · Score: 1

      You have to use a FOR loop to get auto incrementing.

    32. Re:hmmm by richardpaulhall · · Score: 1

      Let me try ... program gigapascal(output); procedure WriteResponseHeader; begin writeln( 'content-type: text/html' ); writeln; end; var giga : LONGINT; begin WriteResponseHeader; writeln('[HTML]'); writeln(' [HEAD]'); writeln(' [TITLE]GigaPascal[/TITLE]'); writeln(' [/HEAD]'); writeln(' [BODY]'); FOR giga := 1 to 1000000000 DO begin writeln(' [BIG] This is a Gigapascal! How the hell are you? [/BIG]'); end; writeln(' [/BODY]'); writeln('[/HTML]') end.

    33. Re:hmmm by medep · · Score: 1

      you're missing a 0 there 1GPa = 1 * 10^9 Pa

    34. Re:hmmm by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 1

      Yep. But somehow I still got +5 informative ;).

    35. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wedgies for you all then! mwuahahahah!!!!!!!!

  2. I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A butter knife made entirely out of THAT!

    1. Re:I want... by Lil-Bondy · · Score: 0

      i wonder if that would be illegal...

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    2. Re:I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "lighten up francis..." I want 50,000 .30 caliber rounds made with the stuff... those U238 rounds are making a mess of my firing range.

    3. Re:I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would cut through the butter like it were... butter.

    4. Re:I want... by trewornan · · Score: 1

      It would cut through a butter knife like a knife through butter.

    5. Re:I want... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Phooey. I'm patenting something WAY harder than that...It's my ex's heart. I plan to call it Beeyotchonium.

  3. Ring by CalcMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I guess this is what she's going to want on her finger now.

    1. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as long as I can pick one up on QVC using my Flex-pay credit card all will be good....

    2. Re:Ring by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      Dude, I wish I could get away with buying my girlfriend a dirty, black, carbon based rock for a ring. You must have a really accepting significant other :(

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    3. Re:Ring by niteskunk · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Aggregated diamond nanorods: She'll pretty much have to."

    4. Re:Ring by alex4u2nv · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep, the harder the rock, the harder the punch. Girls are so smart =), thats why we love em!

    5. Re:Ring by Itchy+Rich · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yep, the harder the rock, the harder the punch. Girls are so smart =), thats why we love em!

      You love girls? That's gay!

    6. Re:Ring by Clifton+Beach · · Score: 1

      Just make sure you've got your puncture-repair kit ready.

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    7. Re:Ring by strider44 · · Score: 1

      I have never seen a sig so succinctly round up a post.

    8. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to read up what 'gay' might mean.

    9. Re:Ring by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Dude, I wish I could get away with buying my girlfriend a dirty, black, carbon based rock for a ring. You must have a really accepting significant other."

      Ummm, diamond IS carbon.

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    10. Re:Ring by Cygnus78 · · Score: 1

      who?

    11. Re:Ring by randomblast · · Score: 1

      So are you. Does that make the GP racist?

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    12. Re:Ring by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

      Diamond is carbon, but it is neither dirty nor black.

    13. Re:Ring by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 0

      What is it with women and hard things? What's the fixation, exactly?

      Oh, heh, heh... yeah, OK.

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    14. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "an aggregated diamond nanorod is forever"

    15. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might need to read up on what 'humour' might mean.

    16. Re:Ring by tyrus568 · · Score: 1
      From Chuck Palahniuk, 'Survivor'...

      "For example, no one teaches you that green-tinted moisturizer will help hide red, slapped skin. And any gentleman who's ever been backhanded by a lady with her diamond ring should know a styptic pencil will stop the bleeding. Close the gash with a dab of Super Glue and you can be photographed at a movie premier, smiling and without stitches or a scar.

      Always keep a red washcloth around for wiping up blood, and you'll never have a stain to presoak."

    17. Re:Ring by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

      She won't be impressed by your nanorod, no matter how hard it is.

    18. Re:Ring by tyrus568 · · Score: 1

      Chuck Palahniuk is the guy who wrote Fight Club.

    19. Re:Ring by Leiterfluid · · Score: 1

      It was a [mis]quote from the Simpsons. When Nelson was dating Lisa, one of his thug friends said "You kissed a girl? That's so gay!"

    20. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that's fucking funny!

    21. Re:Ring by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Diamond is carbon, but it is neither dirty nor black.

      Unless it is a naturally occurring diamond, bought from De Beers, in which case it is dirty from being handled by a company that used slave labor and black from the sheer amount of manipulative evil it has been subjected to. Just get an artificial diamond, they are clean and flawless.

      And congratulations to the moderator who modded parent informative, for being ignorant enough to find new information from it.

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    22. Re:Ring by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Thanks. The Atlantic article linked to in this story was great, unfortunately now subscribers-only

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    23. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Dude, I wish I could get away with buying my girlfriend a dirty, black

      love slave?

      LOL

    24. Re:Ring by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Don't be so hard on her.

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    25. Re:Ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be confused with the first guy who asserts how fucking funny this is, I agree. I've read crap here for 4-5 years and never laughed this much... I look forward to your success doing what made Dave Barry rich. Best of luck to you.

  4. Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by kavachameleon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Forgive my ignorance after Reading TFA... but this "harder than diamond" material is... made of diamonds! Seems like false advertising, though I get what they did.

    1. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess it should be better defined. It is talking about two different diamond states. 1) There is the natural, mined diamond you get from the Earth. 2) This artificial, human-created diamond-type substance that is made from diamond. In essense they are both just really hard carbon structures, with different atomic states.

    2. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by saskboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Coal and graphite are also made from diamond material, carbon. It's the final structure that counts, and it isn't structured like a diamond, or it would have the hardness of one.

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    3. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Cash202 · · Score: 0
      I agree.

      Science classifies substances as different at minor compound changes. O and O2 are not the same, but they were both O. The two funciton and opperate differently, thus making them different. Same applies to the article.

    4. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How differently structure from regular-old diamond is it? I know coal and graphite are very different from diamond. Is there any graphical representation of the structure of this new (man-made) harder than diamond, diamond-like substance? Or is it a trade secret?

      Do we now know what happens when someone sticks a lump of diamond up the man of steel's ass? (Please, no pictures of that.)

    5. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by superyanthrax · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is made by compressing buckyballs (C_60), which consist of carbon, just like Diamond. For the record charcoal and graphite are forms of carbon too. All of these things are just carbon atoms arranged in different ways. The name of the substance has the word "diamond" in it b/c it is similar to diamond, but it is not the same as diamond.

    6. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
      Forgive my ignorance after Reading TFA... but this "harder than diamond" material is... made of diamonds! Seems like false advertising, though I get what they did.

      From the article: "(..) made the new material by subjecting carbon-60 molecules to immense pressures. The new form of carbon, which is known as aggregated diamond nanorods"

      So the new material consists of tiny diamond rods, but is made of carbon-60 molecules (aka 'buckyballs', which has many interesting properties, but like most carbon-based materials, is NOT diamond).

      Always amazing how few words are needed to make people misread them.
    7. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Deitheres · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess a pretty simple way to put it would be like this:

      butter and ice cream are both essentially different forms of milk, but you don't see people walking around with cones full of butter do you?

      If you do, that's pretty gross.

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    8. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by b1gn4tb00bs · · Score: 1

      Can they use it to make nanotubes and build the space elevator with it?

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    9. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I be kinda hard to fit a group of people into a nanotube dont ya think? ;)

    10. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by XchristX · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to fullerene? Wasn't that harder than diamond too???

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    11. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Cygnus78 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes this article is redundant, diamonds are still the hardest.

    12. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. And you'd call ice steam.

    13. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by -brazil- · · Score: 1

      butter and ice cream are both essentially different forms of milk.

      Not really, ice cream also contains a considerable amount of sugar and air, while butter has most of the water removed from the milk.

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    14. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Pollardito · · Score: 2, Funny
      This artificial, human-created diamond-type substance that is made from diamond
      that sounds an awful lot like "buttery flavored topping"
    15. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by fireboy1919 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes.

      Clearly, they are the same.

      I often try to pick up girls by handing them large chunks of coal since it's a diamond, but in a different state. For some reason, they don't seem to go for it. Odd.

      Strangely enough, no one will eat my burgers cooked over graphite (and quite frankly, graphite fires are a bit difficult to keep lit).

      Carbon is one of the most versitile elements on the planet either alone or combined with other elements. Its quite worthwhile to consider a different state of it a completely different thing.

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    16. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by darkonc · · Score: 1
      Forgive my ignorance after Reading TFA... but this "harder than diamond" material is... made of diamonds!

      It's kinda like the difference between wood, and fiber-board or plywood. The latter are made of wood, but most people wouldn't confuse them with real pine.

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    17. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by darkonc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Quite possibly not. 'hard' means that it is resistant to pressure. The space elevator needs to be resistant to tension and torque. If this stuff is brittle (very likely), it could be useless for that application.

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    18. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But One state is really pretty!

    19. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You are assuming that the space elevator only requires a high tensile strength cable to work. What about the high strength anchoring mechanisms needed on each side of the cable as well as many other parts that will require materials with extreme hardness.

    20. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Assuming you're not joking...

      "Fullerenes" are a category of carbon structures that include C60 (as well as nanotubes, and all sorts of strange structures composed of continuous graphene sheets (only SP2 bonds)). They're microscopic**, while this is macroscopic (although would take a fortune to make in bulk.

      What we *really* need is a mostly sp2-bonded orderly structure such as this (or one of the many nanotube-interlinked structures) that can be made through chemical vapor deposition. That would give us more potential for scaling-up to bulk production.

      ** - Exception: carbon nanotubes as long as two centimeters have been created, but they're still only nanometers wide; most nanotubes are much shorter.

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    21. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      It's more like the difference between ice cream and melted-then-refrozen ice cream.

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    22. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by dfetter · · Score: 1

      Must. Resist. Joke. About. Last Tango in Paris.

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    23. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      No, but now I have this urge to go home and try eating an ice cream cone full of butter.

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    24. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The name of the substance has the word "diamond" in it b/c it is similar to diamond, but it is not the same as diamond.

      If you knew how to spin it a little better, you'd have the middle step in the Profit! equation -- like this guy is able to do.

    25. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1
      butter and ice cream are both essentially different forms of milk, but you don't see people walking around with cones full of butter do you?

      The Canadian production, Just for Laughs Gags, did a bit where they had an ice cream vendor serve up scoops of frozen butter to people. Was pretty funny watching the reactions... :)
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    26. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Don't do that. You'll end up looking like CowboyNeil.

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    27. Re:Diamonds =/= Diamonds? by gurkha711 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that they are different diamond states; they are differing arrangements of carbon atoms to form a structure. If we define "diamond" as the tetrahedrally shaped crystalline form of carbon, then this is a different form of carbon. This would be analogous to the twelve forms of solid water, only one of which we know as "ice".

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  5. Space Lift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can this be used in the Space Lift project?

    1. Re:Space Lift? by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 4, Informative

      Probably not. Hardness does not equate to tensile strength. Tensile strength is what you need for a space elevator.

      You'd probably still use carbon, but nanotubes rather than nanorods.

    2. Re:Space Lift? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Though it might be useful for building a tower to meet the cable partway, maybe a kilometer or five up?

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    3. Re:Space Lift? by nath_de · · Score: 1

      Doh, and there I thought we were one step nearer. Would it at least help in building a ringworld?

    4. Re:Space Lift? by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope, no good for ringworld either, you need things strong in compression and tension for that.

      Hard is good for scratching, cutting, abrading, resisting scratching, resisting cutting.

      It's no good for avoiding chipping breaking or crushing - although I suspect there is a correlation between compression strength and hardness.

      What I'm hoping for is a material such as this with excellent hardness, but also good optical properties and easy manufacture into large pieces of arbitrary shape. That would be good for lenses for telescopes, mirrors (telescopes again), spectacles (glasses), car windscreens, spacecraft windows... Imagine it - glasses that never scratch!

    5. Re:Space Lift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A km? Bah. Five? Still below weather. The space lift would go hundreds of kms into space, a km or two won't make a difference.

    6. Re:Space Lift? by JPyun · · Score: 1

      I would think a Ringworld type construct would have to be somewhat flexible... as opposed to shattering into millions of pieces or burning like diamond. Assuming this material has some of the same properties of diamond (hard + brittle).

    7. Re:Space Lift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a correlation between hardness and tensile/compressive strength (at least in metals). As strength increases, hardness increases. It's quite common to do hardness tests instead of strength tests in research because there are just too many samples, and it would take much too long. Unfortunately, the conversion between strength and hardness is not very accurate (Brinell is slightly better than Rockwell, but it takes longer).

      The property which would make this material of little use for space elevators is toughness; as a material gets harder and stronger, it gets more bittle and less tough.

      The best example I can think of for this is heat treatment of a steel drive shaft. If steel is quenched quickly, it becomes harder and stronger, but less tough, so it is likely to break down in use. The toughness of the shaft can be improved by varying the strength of the steel within the shaft; a softer core increases toughness, while a harder exterior supports the loads.

  6. Does that mean.. by postgrep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Diamonds will come down in price? If we could make a drill out of this new material, doesn't that mean we would have a surplus of diamond to use? And who gets the dub the name for this material?

    1. Re:Does that mean.. by kavachameleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Supply and demand has nothing to do with the diamond market. As I understand it, the prices are kept artificially high by the diamond cartels and their storehouses of stones.

    2. Re:Does that mean.. by ciroknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, no. Diamonds currently retain value as expensive the same way Oil does. It's controlled by a company who's got overwhelming control over the supply, and thus, can charge any price they want for the goods.

      That being said, synthetic diamonds have been on the market for a while now. In fact, my sister just bought a ring with one in it.

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    3. Re:Does that mean.. by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      Don't they use already the "waste diamond" which or is discarted diamond after sculpturing it (of which I thought 60% decrease of original size of the diamond after sculpturing it) or diamond which hasn't the purity for jewelry yet is good enough for industrial applications?

      Synthetic diamonds could bring down the value though.
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    4. Re:Does that mean.. by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Informative


      If we could make a drill out of this new material, doesn't that mean we would have a surplus of diamond to use?

      No. Synthetic diamonds were developed by GE in the 50s. Most (if not all) of the diamond in diamond coated drills are produced through this process. The process developed in the 50s only produces what's called "industrial diamonds" and are nowhere near gem quality.

      So any new harder substance would only effect the industrial diamond market, and have no effect on the gem quality diamond market.

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    5. Re:Does that mean.. by WindBourne · · Score: 1
      And who gets the dub the name for this material?

      I want to know who will get the dupe of this article. If recent /. history is a prediction, It should be here in the next 2 days.

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    6. Re:Does that mean.. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Oh hell, OPEC wishes it had the control that De Beers does.

      The oil industry allows wildcat drilling, the Diamond industry quashes wildcat diamond supplies outside of it's control.

      Now they are trying to quash synthetic diamonds by getting trade regulators to force synthetic fabricators diamonds as something other than a diamond.

    7. Re:Does that mean.. by postgrep · · Score: 1

      Surely some boffin has already made a name so complex already it's not worth remembering? So the Carbon-60 lattice of 10 Carbon textrate could be called "Super diamond!" by the press? Sounds adequate?

    8. Re:Does that mean.. by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Most (if not all) of the diamond in diamond coated drills are produced through this process"

      You were OK, sortof. It's not the GE process, but something entirely new (relatively).

      Diamond coatings are done through a process called Vapor Deposition. It's a low pressure process, done at Standard Pressure, using a hot carbon rich gas, a reducing atmosphere, and a cold substrate (the thing you're coating).

      It's an entirely new process, discovered entirely by accident by someone trying to figure out why certain welds were a bitch to grind smooth. It turned out that there were microscopic diamonds in the welds, and that was why.

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    9. Re:Does that mean.. by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Informative
      Synthetic diamonds were developed by GE in the 50s. Most (if not all) of the diamond in diamond coated drills are produced through this process. The process developed in the 50s only produces what's called "industrial diamonds" and are nowhere near gem quality.

      Dude, read up on synthetic diamonds. The state of the art has advanced to a point where it is possible to create synthetic diamonds that exceed natural diamonds in purity/and or size, and cheaper as well, and several people are doing it. What color do you like? Blue, yellow, orange, purple, or green?

      It's just that supply of 'the real thing' is artificially limited to keep up prices, and the industry has produced equipment to measure exactly what qualities diamonds have. 'Too perfect'? Then it must be an artificial one. Along with the marketing department shouting "synthetic=inferior".

      Women like diamonds less just because they're artificial? From what I understand, that's not so clear yet, and many women don't mind. So ofcourse there's low-grade diamond powder produced for things like industrial grinding, but synthetic diamonds can definitely be gem-quality. Strictly speaking, maybe even better.
    10. Re:Does that mean.. by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Now they are trying to quash synthetic diamonds by getting trade regulators to force synthetic fabricators [to market their] diamonds as something other than [diamonds]."

      I'm guessing that's sort of what you meant, right? That's interesting, because my girlfriend wrote a linguistics term paper last spring about how synthetic diamond manufacturers need to call their product something more appealing than "synthetic" (a word which doesn't exactly have glamorous connotations). It would suck for them if they finally realized they shouldn't call their product "synthetic" but were quickly forbidden to use the word "diamonds" in the first place.

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    11. Re:Does that mean.. by DeafByBeheading · · Score: 1
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    12. Re:Does that mean.. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Here is a recent slashdot story about growing 10 carat 1/2inch thick gem-quality diamonds.

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    13. Re:Does that mean.. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is exactly what he means and your girlfriend is correct. The problem is why should they be called anything but diamonds? Synthetic means fake to many people. A man made diamond is a diamond. What the Diamond makers wants are the same rules as the pearl growers have. A pearl is a pearl.

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    14. Re:Does that mean.. by GrungyLotG · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The only reason I could see behind this would be to keep the high price diamonds--I don't see any other logical reason. If they create a diamond in a lab, it still will have exactly the same structure as a natual diamond, and should be completely identical (Although more flawless).

    15. Re:Does that mean.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diamonds will come down in price? If we could make a drill out of this new material, doesn't that mean we would have a surplus of diamond to use? And who gets the dub the name for this material?

      Diamonds and bort are essentially two different markets with practically no relationship to each other beyond having some overlap in where they are extracted and the companies that supply them.

      This discovery will have the same impact on Tiffany's that silicon carbide did...none at all.

    16. Re:Does that mean.. by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Ohhhhhh ... you mean like Oil. I get it.

    17. Re:Does that mean.. by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      Lets call it adamantium, until a stonger material comes around.

    18. Re:Does that mean.. by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Supply and demand has nothing to do with the diamond market. As I understand it, the prices are kept artificially high by the diamond cartels and their storehouses of stones.

      Yes, the diamond cartels do their price thing, mostly by De Beers, and supply and demand still works. They strictly control the supply, and artificially created and maintained a demand.

    19. Re:Does that mean.. by chainsaw1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gemsys (sp?) uses the term "Cultured diamonds" for they're items, borrowing off the pearl industry. Pearls which are grown/cultured are typically worth more than the wild clam variety

      Warning, beware of clam.

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    20. Re:Does that mean.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading several years ago about a new way of making diamons. Get one carbon disk, fire it in a test chamber for cannon shells at another carbon disk. Instant industrial diamonds.

      A very expensive way of making diamonds from the original setup but if you've got a spare weaponse research lab or two lying around, why not make a bit of money from it!

      Apparently Russia is now doing this since they cut back on the military spending. I would look for the links but hey this IS slashdot after all ;)

    21. Re:Does that mean.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The contraction "they're" is short for "they are" - so you said "...for they are items..." which makes no sense. You meant to use "their."

      Sorry if you find this annoying, I don't normally gripe about this stuff. If you think I'm picking at nits, try reading your post and inserting "they are" for "they're" - that's how I read it, and I think you'll agree that it distracts the reader from your point.

    22. Re:Does that mean.. by Sendrid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Supply and demand has nothing to do with the diamond market. As I understand it, the prices are kept artificially high by the diamond cartels and their storehouses of stones.

      On the contrary, supply and demand has everything to do with the diamond market. You restrict supply by cornering the market, simultaneously bolstering demand through advertising, and prices increase, in accordance to the law of supply and demand.

    23. Re:Does that mean.. by Ponzicar · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that the jewelery market is driven by emotional and traditional factors. Your average bride-to-be doesn't care about the diamond's chemical properties; she wants a real diamond from a real mine.

    24. Re:Does that mean.. by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

      I built the first top secret laboratory for Norton-Christiansen, the worlds largest consumer of industrial diamonds for down hole drilling bits. Their lab lost in the race to synthesize, so I follow with informed interest as the playing field changes dynamics in the business.

      Thanks for the backstory... the process of the new material is much closer to N-C's physicist methodology of high heat, high pressure which he failed to realize.

    25. Re:Does that mean.. by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      Dude, read up on synthetic diamonds. The state of the art has advanced to a point where it is possible to create synthetic diamonds that exceed natural diamonds in purity/and or size

      I know all about that. The post however was about hard substances replacing diamonds, not about producing gem quality stones. The recent developments in producing gem quality stones is irrelevant to the post, so I didn't mention it.

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    26. Re:Does that mean.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      No, not like Oil. Gas prices are high because refinery capacity is limited. They'll go higher once Europe finishes updating their refineries to produce more diesel and less gasoline.

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    27. Re:Does that mean.. by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      So I take it you've never heard of OPEC, then?

    28. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      "A man made diamond is a diamond.... A pearl is a pearl."

      I do not wish to rag on you, personally, but since your comment was moderated "Insightful," I felt a need to say something. It is my opinion that your view that a diamond is a diamond, a pearl is a pearl, is symptomatic of a problem I think underlies our society today. I am referring to the notion, which I believe is more widely-held than should be, that man-made things are "just as good" (in whatever ways matter) as their natural equivalents. Don't get me wrong: I don't lie awake at night lamenting the existence of synthetic diamonds and cultured pearls. I do, however, regret that, more and more every day, people seem to be willing to forego the authentic in favor of whatever is cheaper, more easily accessible, etc. There is a certain wonder in the creation of things such as diamonds and pearls. The fact that we can produce near equivalents is impressive, I suppose, but I think there is real danger in so readily substituting one for the other in our minds.

      Seeing the Grand Canyon on TV, even a large screen HDTV, is no substitute for seeing it in real life. Fucking a love doll is no substitute for real pussy. These things we take more or less for granted. But there are many slippery slopes in life; we must beware them all.

      [soap-box mode: off]

    29. Re:Does that mean.. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      So I take it you've never heard of OPEC, then?

      OPEC is running at full capacity, while we are limited by our refining capacity. If OPEC were able to double capacity tomorrow, we would not be affected. If we went and built some refineries (which, btw, aren't great profit centers), then we would see some relief, but that would hurt Oil companies' profits. Don't blame OPEC, blame Exxon and Shell.

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    30. Re:Does that mean.. by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      For some things you are right - particle board will never match real wood, artificial coffee or chocolate or latex-coated "safe" sex isn't anything like the real thing, artificial sweteners are the work of the devil, etc. OTOH, Quake won't ever match the warm, (red, sticky...) sense of personal interaction provided by the old-fashioned pointy stick, nor are modern iatrogenic diseases proper substitutes for authenic, natural smallpox, polio, tuberculosis and dysentery.

      However, there are a lot of people out there who think "natural" means "better", and it just isn't true in general. Science is better than "common sense" for figuring out the world. Nylon rope is better than hemp for strength and durability. Metal tools are better than stone for just about everything. Machine-spun thread is finer, stronger and more consistent than hand-spun; machine-woven cloth of a given type is tighter and more durable than hand-woven; machine-sewn seams are stronger, tighter and more even than hand-stitched. Allopathic medicine is better at curing illness than natural medicine, and chemical cleaning, sanitation and pest-killing products are WAY better than natural methods at preventing illness. And of course, most artificially produced things are so much cheaper that for most people the proper comparison isn't artificial vs. natural but rather artificial vs. nothing at all. (admittedly, in some cases "nothing at all" is the better choice.)

      Most commonly-adopted, technologically-advanced ways of doing things are measurably better than the methods they replaced for achieving their *instrumental* purposes. Where natural things still usually beat out artificial ones is in directly satisfying the senses with the complexity and texture that human minds and spirits have evolved to enjoy.

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    31. Re:Does that mean.. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      A man made diamond is carbon in the same structure with the same properties as natural diamond.
      I would say that it is in fact better than a natural diamond. It costs less and if you take a look at how diamond miners have been treated I think you would agree.
      You see I dislike the terrible idea of "natural" is better. Frankly since humans are part of nature then what we make is every bit as natural as a pearl made by an oyster. A diamond is nothing but carbon atoms arranged in tetrahedrons. Nothing magical. Diamonds are just shinny hard rocks.
      You do know that slippery slope arguments are logical falicies. Also you comparison to the Grand Canyon on TV is not even close to the same thing. I would agree that seeing a picture of a diamond is not the same as seeing a real one. Your other rather crude comments I will not comment on.

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    32. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your response... I found it enjoyable reading.

      To clarify, in case my meaning was not clear, I was not suggesting that man-made things are, in general, inferior to natural things. I agree that most of the examples you cited suggest otherwise. What I find to be unfortunate is when two things that are fundamentally different--e.g., a natural thing and a man-made version of the same thing--are accepted as being the same thing. A man-made diamond is not the same thing as a synthetic diamond regardless of any structural equivalence; one comes from nature, the other from man. Perhaps the difference is subtle and of concern only to purists but I think there is significance to the difference, even if only in how we think of things.

      There are many uses for man-made diamonds. In fact, a man-made diamond may be perfectly suitable for jewelry to someone who is not concerned about the difference. But the difference is there and I think it should be recognized and understood, not glossed over as unimportant.

      Parenthetically, as the grandparent poster, to whom I wrote my original post in response, suggests in his follow-up to my post, there are unfortunate real-world issues surrounding the mining of natural diamonds. Whether or not man-made diamonds are the answer to these problems I cannot say. Regardless, these problems are not at the core of my point.

      To summarize: Probably like you, I would most likely prefer a machine-sewn shirt made from machine-woven cloth made from machine-spun thread, for all the reasons you state. I would not like it, however, if it were advertised to me as "the same thing" as a hand-sewn haute couture shirt made from high-quality hand-woven cloth, even if they appeared to be virtually identical. The two products are very different. There would be reasons why I would select one over the other and reasons why I would pay different amounts for one or the other. This is fine to me. But I wouldn't want the two things to be considered "the same thing" or "of the same quality." (Please note that I am not suggesting that you were in any way making such an argument.)

      Where natural things still usually beat out artificial ones is in directly satisfying the senses with the complexity and texture that human minds and spirits have evolved to enjoy.

      This sums up very well an element of what I was aiming at, in general.

      Take it easy.

    33. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your response.

      I responded to another poster's response to my post above; you might find some of what I said there to be relevant to your comments.

      In general, my point was not aimed at establishing one or the other as better than the other. Rather, I was merely saying that I think the distinction between the two is important to recognize and maintain.

      I will disagree with you on your assertion that "a diamond is nothing but carbon atoms arranged in tetrahedrons." Yes, scientifically, what you say is correct. However, it leaves out the fact that the process that creates them (natural diamonds) is wondrous, at least to some. You may not think it so, or you may think the synthesis process is physically identical and therefore equally wondrous, which might be true, but there is, in a manner of speaking, a sort of miracle that goes on inside the earth to make these things, as there is inside oysters to make pearls. Again, to you this might be unimportant but to others there is value in maintaining the distinction.

      Regarding slippery slope arguments being logical fallacies, well, I suppose that may be true. I was not attempting to present a logical proof, which should have been evident. Though inappropriate for logic, slippery slopes do often adequately describe human psychological responses, at least in my experience.

      Finally, I had hoped it would be clear but my Grand Canyon illustration was not meant to parallel the diamond question. It, like its colorful love doll sibling, was aimed at showing two examples of distinctions I think we all understand to be significant. The idea, whether it was worthwhile presenting or not, was that many differences between things in life are not so apparent and require discrimination to see. In my opinion, people's ability to discriminate these things should be developed--or at least maintained--but not diminished.

      Take it easy.

    34. Re:Does that mean.. by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Diamond coatings are done through a process called Vapor Deposition
      It doesn't have to be done by chemical vapour deposition, there's also the method of just sticking small diamonds on with some sort of binding agent (can't recall which metal is typically used). These small diamonds can be the relatively cheap natural diamond grit, stuff made by GE - or the dirt cheap DuPont process of wrapping graphite powder in explosives (carefully designed charge designed to give a flat wavefront) and setting it off to produce small diamonds.
    35. Re:Does that mean.. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      "A man-made diamond is not the same thing as a synthetic diamond regardless of any structural equivalence; one comes from nature, the other from man."

      Yes, they are the same thing. A diamond which has sat in a Kimberlite pipe for 2 billion years and a diamond grown in a lab in Virgina are the same thing. An in-virtro fertilized human and a naturally fertilized human are the same thing.

      There is nothing at all "better" or more "valuable" about a South African Diamond or a Lab grown Diamond. We shouldn't think of them as different because they are not.

      If someday machines can make fine clothing and tailor them as well as an experienced tailor to a user's satisfaction we shouldn't differentiate between them either.

    36. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      Thank you, sir, for setting me straight. I'm glad I don't know you.

    37. Re:Does that mean.. by Johnno74 · · Score: 1

      OPEC only supplies 30-40% of the world's oil.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

      (ok, the article says 40, but on the news tonight the figure quoted was 32%)

      Also, a quote from the linked article
      " As of August 2004, OPEC has been communicating that its members have little excess pumping capacity, indicating that the cartel is losing influence over crude oil prices"

    38. Re:Does that mean.. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I do understand, but frankly I feel that almost nothing material should be considered wondrous. There are many things I do consider wondrous. A great example is a child learning how to talk. A diamond made by carbon plus lots of heat and pressure over a long time. I want the distinction destroyed for diamonds. I suggest a google search on Blood Diamonds. If consumers see no difference between the man made diamonds and "natural" then their will be less reason for human lives to be destroyed for the love of shiny rocks.

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    39. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      Thank you, sir, for setting me straight. I'm glad I don't know you.

      I apologize for my outburst; I should have thought twice before issuing it. I do not wish to have you consider me a "foe."

      After further reflection on this topic, I have come to the conclusion that it is largely a philosophical debate. You are obviously very intelligent and I see your point; I am not dense. Clearly, if a man-made diamond or pearl is physically identical to a natural one, they are, in a certain way, the same thing. However, my view is that there is more to them than meets the eye; I believe there is significance in how things come to be. I believe all instances of this sort of significance need to be understood, remembered, and considered by people so they don't run afoul in cases where the implications are more serious (hence my slippery slope comment).

      I do believe the differences in how man-made and natural diamonds and pearls come to be leads people to make different value judgements (i.e., the two things would be valued differently). Humans make value judgments on seemingly identical things all the time. Consider this somewhat vulgar case: If a stripper gives you a kiss, she is most likely doing it to extract financial reward. If your wife gives you a kiss, it is probably motivated by love. The kisses may both feel the same to you, but I would imagine one has more value than the other.

      Perhaps more on point: Consider a situation where one man offers to sell you a 2 billion year old 3 carat diamond from a kimberlite pipe for $50,000. Another man offers to sell you a physically identical diamond, man-made in Virginia that morning, also for $50,000. Assume that you want this sort of diamond and you have the $50,000 to spend. Also assume that no one was harmed, etc., in the production of the natural diamond. In other words, all other factors are equal. Which would you choose? If you tell me that you'd choose the man-made diamond, I'd say that you were saying this to make your point, or you lack the sort of romantic (in the classical sense) inclination that I have (and I hope many others still have).

      In the end, perhaps comparisons such as these all come down to some sort of stoicism vs. romanticism argument. Really, the whole purpose of my original post was just to bring these sorts of thoughts to the forefront for people to consider. Ultimately, people will do what they will do.

    40. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      Just one more thing: Since a couple of people have mentioned it, I'd like to weigh in on the 'conflict diamonds' issue.

      If widespread acceptance of man-made diamonds as substitutes for mined diamonds can bring an end to suffering, I'm all for it.

      I just hope people retain understanding of the distinction between the two.

      Take it easy, Mr. Earp.

    41. Re:Does that mean.. by stuktongue · · Score: 1

      If widespread acceptance of man-made diamonds as substitutes for mined diamonds can bring an end to suffering, I'm all for it.

      I just hope people retain understanding of the distinction between the two.

  7. Article Text by CalcMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Diamonds are not forever
    26 August 2005

    Physicists in Germany have created a material that is harder than diamond. Natalia Dubrovinskaia and colleagues at the University of Bayreuth made the new material by subjecting carbon-60 molecules to immense pressures. The new form of carbon, which is known as aggregated diamond nanorods, is expected to have many industrial applications (App. Phys. Lett. 87 083106).

    The hardness of a material is measured by its isothermal bulk modulus. Aggregated diamond nanorods have a modulus of 491 gigapascals (GPa), compared with 442 GPa for conventional diamond. Dubrovinskaia and two of her co-workers - Leonid Dubrovinky and Falko Langenhorst - have patented the process used to make the new material.

    Diamond derives its hardness from the fact that each carbon atom is connected to four other atoms by strong covalent bonds. The new material is different in that it is made of tiny interlocking diamond rods. Each rod is a crystal that has a diameter of between 5 and 20 nanometres and a length of about 1 micron.

    The group created the ADNRs by compressing the carbon-60 molecules to 20 GPa, which is nearly 200 times atmospheric pressure, while simultaneously heating to 2500 Kelvin. "The synthesis was possible due to a unique 5000-tonne multianvil press at Bayerisches Geoinstitut in Bayreuth that is capable of reaching pressures of 25 GPa and temperatures of 2700 K at the same time," Dubrovinskaia told PhysicsWeb.

    The Bayreuth team measured the properties of the samples with a diamond anvil cell at the European Synchrotron Radiation Facility at Grenoble in France. These measurements indicated that ADNRs are about 0.3% denser than diamond, and that the new material has the lowest compressibility of any known material.

    In addition to working out why the new material is so hard, the Bayreuth team also hope to exploit its industrial potential. "We have developed a concept for innovative technology to produce the novel material in industrial-scale quantities and now we are looking for partners in order to realize our ideas," said Dubrovinskaia.

    1. Re:Article Text by fossa · · Score: 1

      Diamond derives its hardness from the fact that each carbon atom is connected to four other atoms by strong covalent bonds. The new material is different in that it is made of tiny interlocking diamond rods. Each rod is a crystal that has a diameter of between 5 and 20 nanometres and a length of about 1 micron.

      The bonds in the graphite form of carbon are stronger than those of the diamond form. However, the graphite bonds are all co-planar, so you can only make sheets (graphite), [nano] tubes, and [bucky] balls.

    2. Re:Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "compressing the carbon-60 molecules to 20 GPa, which is nearly 200 times atmospheric pressure..."

      Atmospheric pressure is ~100 KPa. Thus according to google. (20 gigapascals) / 200 = 100 000 000 pascals.

      Thus the reporter is off by 10^3.

    3. Re:Article Text by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 0

      Diamonds are not forever because they have a positive heat of formation. Over millions of years even the prettiest gem will change over to a piece of graphite.

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    4. Re:Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for quoting TFA. I sprained my index finger and clicking on the link causes me great pain.

    5. Re:Article Text by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I'm sure this has the diamond industry throwing fits. I suspect they'll lose a large portion of their ability to claim diamonds are the hardest material known to man. And I don't doubt the tool/machining industry will rejoice with glee, either.

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  8. but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a diamond is forever

    1. Re:but by mad.frog · · Score: 1

      So will the new ad slogan be "An aggregated diamond nanorod is longer-than-forever...." ?

    2. Re:but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a diamond isn't forever. Thermodynamically, it's more stable in the form of graphite (Carbon, that is), so eventually every diamond ring will become a ring with graphite on top.

      Try using that fact to bargain with the local jeweler.

  9. General Products? by bmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    So when are we going to see a General Products hull constructed out of this?

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    1. Re:General Products? by Wolfkin · · Score: 1

      About the time they develop scrith, I imagine. :)

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    2. Re:General Products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of Kzinti

      That would be a Beowulf Shaeffer of Kzinti.

      cursed crashlander....

    3. Re:General Products? by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe GP hulls are monomolecular, and the only thing that bothers them is a buttload of antimatter. Can't remember the story reference, though.

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    4. Re:General Products? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Don't recall either. Was bundled though in the set of Larry Niven stories titled "A Gift from Earth".

    5. Re:General Products? by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wikipedia to the rescue. The story is called "Flatlander" by Larry Niven.

    6. Re:General Products? by admiralh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That, and tides.

      See "Neutron Star".

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  10. isothermal bulk modulus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I finaly know what IBM stands for.

  11. Hope it doesn't sparkle by Zordak · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't care how hard it is, I am not buying my wife a new ring.

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    1. Re:Hope it doesn't sparkle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So many "my wife..." posts lately. Is it kind of "I have a wife, unlike you nerds"? "This is the only place where I get to say anything that my horrid shrew of a wife can't censor me because she is a proto-n00b"? "I got to use my p3nix"?

      (captcha: "supine")

    2. Re:Hope it doesn't sparkle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My girlfriend doesn't allow me to reply to that.

  12. Borazon by pato101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Long time ago, when I was student, I bought a very good russian thermodynamics book (Kirillin) where they said Borazon synthetic material be harder than diamond. It is a pity Wikipedia does not agree with that fact.
    Of course, the thermodynamic process to achieve it was far expensive. Required very high pressure and temperatures.

    1. Re:Borazon by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not harder than Diamond.

      I wish it was. It would make my job a whole lot easier.

      However, it *is* better for grinding ferrous materials than diamond.

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    2. Re:Borazon by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, thermodynamics text dumber than you! *looks shamefaced*

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    3. Re:Borazon by peetola · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I love playing Diablo II with one of those, but I got bored because all she does it shoot arrows at stuff. Oh, Borazon... Nevermind.

    4. Re:Borazon by Salis · · Score: 1

      I hate people who say "It is a pity that ... " when they are flat out wrong. If you're going to be so condescending to someone, you better make sure you're absolutely correct. Otherwise, not only are you an idiot, but you're an arrogant idiot.

      Anyways, wtf says "It is a pity that ... " anyways?
      Do you even know what the word 'pity' means??

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    5. Re:Borazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Anyways, wtf says "It is a pity that ... " anyways?
      Do you even know what the word 'pity' means??'

      "It is a pity that..." can be substituted for "It is a shame that..."

      He is still wrong otherwise, of course.

  13. jewelry diamonds price is controlled by debeers co by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    diamonds are actually not that rare, emeralds and rubies are rarer.
    Industrial diamonds are pretty plentifull

  14. Possible uses? by allanj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, so obviously this could be used as "better-than-diamonds" for industrial purposes - grinding and such. But it seems to me that the improvement is only modest, and that this does not open up whole new frontiers of exciting materials - or am I completely wrong here? Is there some magical "limit" that was exceeded by this? If there *IS* a magical limit somewhere, what is it?

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    1. Re:Possible uses? by bmo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "OK, so obviously this could be used as "better-than-diamonds" for industrial purposes - grinding and such. But it seems to me that the improvement is only modest"

      Uhm, don't underestimate the profit-increasing abilities of new materials.

      Borazon, for example, is a synthetic material that is used in abrasives and cutting tools. The value isn't in the material itself, but in what one can do with it.

      If it's about as expensive as synthetic diamond (an oxymoron - synthetic diamond is just as real as "real" diamonds) or borazon, expect this to wind up in concrete saws, grinding wheels, end mills, drills (masonry, metal, oil industry) and a whole zoo of tools.

      It's not a "modest improvement". It's a technological leap comparable to synthesizing diamonds and superabrasives, which revolutionized a lot of industries.

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    2. Re:Possible uses? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Maybe it's not a given that it would be good at the common industrial uses of diamonds. As it's formed from evenly sized tubes of carbon atoms, it might not Carry a strong, sharp edge, and that it might have a grain. I imagine the structure is pretty squished though, just like diamond, only with fewer flaws.

      In some googling on this, I've become confused. "ultrahard fullerene" is C-60 buckyballs compressed at high temperature also. I see many different values quoted for UHF hardness and diamond. This Russian paper gives a value of 1 TPa in 1988!

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    3. Re:Possible uses? by Wills · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Synthetic diamond" is not an oxymoron; it simply means diamond that has been synthesised by an artificial process, rather than by a naturally occurring process.

    4. Re:Possible uses? by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's why I prefer "manufactured diamonds" as a terminology.

      Synthetic connotes "fake", which manufactured diamonds certainly are not.

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    5. Re:Possible uses? by swingkid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not googling for "ultrahard" anything at work

    6. Re:Possible uses? by Wills · · Score: 3, Informative

      The primary definition and most commonly intended meaning of "synthetic" is combination of separate components, literally coming from the ancient Greek word suntithenai for "put together"; any other meanings of "synthetic" in both American and British English are secondary - see synthesis and synthetic in AHDEL, 4th ed. (2000), and synthesis and synthetic in COED (2005).

    7. Re:Possible uses? by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1
      You seem to have knowledge in this area. Can you list some potential applications for those of us that are curious and lack detailed knowledge of material use (at least for hard materials)?

      Eivind.

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    8. Re:Possible uses? by lawpoop · · Score: 1
      "If it's about as expensive as synthetic diamond (an oxymoron - synthetic diamond is just as real as "real" diamonds)"

      Synthetic just means 'man-made', not imaginary or fake. 'Synthetic diamond' is not an oxymoron; it just means that the diamond was created by people instead of geological forces.

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    9. Re:Possible uses? by Wills · · Score: 1

      My point is that "synthetic diamond" is a valid, well-established term in materials science; it is wrong to criticise it, as you did in your original post, for being an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a deliberate combination for rhetorical purposes of two terms whose meanings are contradictory. However, none of the meanings implicit in "synthetic diamond" are contradictory, so there is no oxymoron; similarly, "fake diamond" is not an oxymoron.

    10. Re:Possible uses? by p3d0 · · Score: 1
      an oxymoron - synthetic diamond is just as real as "real" diamonds
      It's not an oxymoron, because "synthetic" is not the opposite of "real". It's the opposite of "natural". "Synthetic" just means "man-made".
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    11. Re:Possible uses? by Drencrom · · Score: 1


      Maybe we could start building a space lift with this new material :)

    12. Re:Possible uses? by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Synthetic connotes "fake"

      It shouldn't. To the extent it does, that's probably the result of a few generations of the gemstone business branding synthetic sapphires and rubies as somehow "lesser" than the natural sort.

      The truth is, many synthetic products are of higher quality than their natural counterparts, because the process is controlled rather than random. Examples include synthetic motor oil, which lasts much longer between oil changes, or synthetic rubies, which are the only kind good enough to be used in ruby lasers.

      Perhaps you're thinking of "artificial" -- which originally just meant manufactured, same as "synthetic", but has certainly acquired a second meaning of "fake".

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    13. Re:Possible uses? by wgray8231 · · Score: 1

      Is there some magical "limit" that was exceeded by this? If there *IS* a magical limit somewhere, what is it?

      <sarcasm>That magical threshold would be the Mohs Scale of mineral hardness.

      I'm sure he's rolling in his grave now.</sarcasm>

    14. Re:Possible uses? by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      Could you go a step further and explain why this is important, how I should feel about it, and what my reaction should be. I wish to join the herd.

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    15. Re:Possible uses? by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1
      Hey, you already have. That's a typical comment for Slashdot.

      Eivind.

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    16. Re:Possible uses? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Certainly.

      If it's a cheap material, I imagine a knife made from such a substance would be incredibly useful. You'd never have to sharpen it!

      (On the other hand, that's possibly not true for a number of reasons, but if it's hard enough, it would be able to hold a sharp edge indefinately. Of main concern would be the material's frailty, or tensile strength. If it's too low, it wouldn't be well suited for such an application.)

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    17. Re:Possible uses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, "artificial" didn't originally just mean "manufactured", but was even more positive. It shares a root with "artistry". The meaning was closer to "artful" or "artistic", and would compliment the skill of the creator.

  15. Stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How stable is it? Diamond is really hard and also stable for a long time (a diamond is forever...). I RTFA and it didn't say anything about stability, so I'm wondering if anybody else knows. If they want to use it in an industrial setting, it's going to need to be stable for a long period of time.

    Also, I too wonder what the structure must look like. Neat article and neat material.

    1. Re:Stability? by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      Diamond is really hard and also stable for a long time (a diamond is forever...).

            Yep. But that's under "normal conditions" -- diamonds will burn quite readily given normal atmospheric gases, and very well with more oxygen. So for all over the posters talking about scratching rings with this new material, just use a lighter instead. It's easier, cheaper, more effective, and much more interesting.

    2. Re:Stability? by duffahtolla · · Score: 1
      I saw a diamond burn once. I remember that they heated it with a blowtorch until it glowed and then they tossed it into liquid oxygen.

      Are you sure a simple lighter will do the trick?

    3. Re:Stability? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, diamonds are only metastable at standard temperature and pressure.

      Eventually, they convert to graphite.

      Granted, this will take a (long) while, but it's really more accurate to say graphite is forever.

      I don't know about the structure of the ADNR, but it might be even more prone to conversion or sublimation than diamond.

    4. Re:Stability? by mikeophile · · Score: 1

      Diamonds burn in pure oxygen at about 1320 degrees Fahrenheit. In air (which is about 20% oxygen), the temperature raises to around 1560 degrees Fahrenheit.

      Also, when a diamond burns in O2, it converts completely to CO2. No ash is produced.

      I don't know about regular lighters, but crack lighters can get well above 2000F.

      Diamonds are a hell of a drug.

    5. Re:Stability? by william_w_bush · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps "A Sphere of Solid Neutronium greater than it's Schwartzchild radius without the effects of gravitational tides and/or variances in the background energy state of the universe in relation to Gauge symmetries is forever"?

      But actually, nobody would remember that, cause it's stupid.

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    6. Re:Stability? by Jetekus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah but all neutrons will eventually decay to protons (the only completely stable baryon), so it's really more accurate to say that protons are forever. Or maybe hydrogen atoms...

    7. Re:Stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe helium atoms.

    8. Re:Stability? by Lucky+Tony · · Score: 1

      Huh? A diamonds melting point is about 4000C isn't it? not 800C

    9. Re:Stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, but protons are thought to also decay, they are proposed to have a lifetime of ~10^32 seconds (yes this is longer then the current age of the universe by a good bit). But if you really wanted to be technical, i think perhaps something more along the lines of "Quark-gluon stews are forever"

    10. Re:Stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not way, it's because if you ever gave it to them, they wouldn't remember much of anything afterwards.

    11. Re:Stability? by Jetekus · · Score: 1

      Oh right... I didn't know that. I mean, aren't quarks unable to exist in isolation?

    12. Re:Stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pencil is mightier than the ring.

  16. To all the posters making jokes about thier wives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why'd you marry such shallow, pathetic women?

  17. 20% harder, via^H^H^H carbon! by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this what the viagra ads meant when they said 20% harder?

    Enhance your carbon based member now! EXRNZ

    Impressive results, you'll be the hardest she's ever seen! Become the new hard you.

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  18. Sabotage by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

    When do they start selling sandpaper with this stuff so I can ruin all my rich friends' wives rings and laugh at them? They totally deserve it for spending $300 on a ring in the first place. Stupid jerks.

    1. Re:Sabotage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $300 bucks for an engagement ring is NOT expensive.

    2. Re:Sabotage by pintomp3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      if their wives' rings costs $300:

      a) your friends aren't rich
      b) you can scratch up the rings with normal sandpaper

    3. Re:Sabotage by weighn · · Score: 1

      $300 !? I think you mean rich and stingy friends. :)

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    4. Re:Sabotage by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's like, a lot of squeegeing.

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    5. Re:Sabotage by DemonCat · · Score: 1

      Try $3,000. If they're really rich, more like $30,000. Not kidding at all.
      I code software/websites for diamond merchants.

      BTW, I love my antique sapphire engagement ring. No diamonds here.

    6. Re:Sabotage by Snard · · Score: 1

      or:

      c) They've been married for 30 years :)

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    7. Re:Sabotage by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

      a) Apparently I'm not very funny.
      b) The part about "sandpaper with this stuff" wasn't very clear I guess, huh?

    8. Re:Sabotage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of a sudden it was supposed to be a joke.

    9. Re:Sabotage by p4ul13 · · Score: 1
      a) Seems so.
      b) Not very, no.

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    10. Re:Sabotage by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 1

      No, you're right. Clearly I do intend to go around destroying other people's rings as soon as it becomes feasible. You got me.

  19. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by mad.frog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why'd you marry such shallow, pathetic women?

    What -- you mean there's some other kind?

  20. Why are you giving us the modulus? by hopethisnickisnottak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is, after all, a measure of strength in compression, which is completely different from hardness.

    How about giving us figures for hardness? Like the Brinell Hardness Number or the results of the Rockwell hardness test?

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    1. Re:Why are you giving us the modulus? by TenderMuffin · · Score: 5, Informative

      To be honest, I'm not sure those tests would work...

      The hardest scale on the Rockwell test (I'll let someone else give a link somewhere) uses a diamond to make an indent. This works for pretty much everything since diamond is the hardest material.

      Until now, at least. Since diamond isn't harder than this, it wouldn't make an indent. No indent, no Rockwell reading.

    2. Re:Why are you giving us the modulus? by hopethisnickisnottak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm ...
      The Brinnel hardness test scale has Diamond listed on it. You can test this new substance by using it as an indentor on Diamond, then work backwards from there to arrive at a hardness number for this substance.

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    3. Re:Why are you giving us the modulus? by bluelip · · Score: 1

      If it's an index, can't negative numbers be used to describe the 'scratch' left in the diamond. If it's a coefficient, can't a fraction describe the hardness (or vv).

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    4. Re:Why are you giving us the modulus? by Punboy · · Score: 1

      True, but them the new material should dent the diamond, thus providing enough information to at least partially determine the hardness of the new material.

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  21. Er, what? by gblues · · Score: 0, Troll
    Diamond is no longer the hardest substance known to man.

    Are you a fucking moron? This isn't a new substance, it's just a more tightly packed and more highly organized version of a conventional diamond. It's still a diamond. I mean if it was some new alloy or new substance altogether, that would be one thing. But this is still just plain ol' carbon--just specially treated to be harder than the run-of-the-mill industrial diamonds we use now.

    Nathan

    1. Re:Er, what? by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's still a diamond.
      No, it's not. It's made of the same stuff as diamond - carbon-60 - but it's a different crystalline structure, just as graphite is a different crystaline structure to diamond.
    2. Re:Er, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean just like graphite is the same substance as diamond?

      It may be "plain ol' carbon", but it's not just "specially treated". Diamond has a certain hardness (at standard temp/pressure), and this is different.

    3. Re:Er, what? by pdxdada · · Score: 2, Informative
      Are you a fucking moron? This isn't a new substance, it's just a more tightly packed and more highly organized version of a conventional diamond.
      And by the same logic a diamond is just a more tightly packed and more highly organized version of graphite. As it turns out there are a lot of ways to arange carbon, many of which have different names (diamond, graphite, buckminsterfulerene, nano tubes, etc...) this appears to be one more.

      For all the people asking how useful this is, take a moment and google for some of comercial applications of diamonds (aside from looking pretty), there are a lot of them. If this stuff can be produced economically there will be a huge market for it.
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    4. Re:Er, what? by mabraham · · Score: 1
      It's made of the same stuff as diamond - carbon-60 - but...

      "Carbon", not carbon-60. If it's isotopically pure, carbon-14 or carbon-13 or whatever. Carbon-60 refers to buckminsterfullerene, one of many structural forms of carbon, which is properly written C-subscript-60. The isotopes of carbon are written with superscripts, thus C-superscript-14 refers to an atom of that isotope.

    5. Re:Er, what? by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 1

      Right you are, I was mindlessly misquoting TFA. As you say, carbon-60 is bucky-balls (which are made of 60 carbon atoms)... nanotubes too? They specified that it was made by compressing carbon-60 - that's where I pulled that from.

      Carbon^60 as an isotope would be quite unstable indeed!

    6. Re:Er, what? by mabraham · · Score: 1

      Off the top of my head, nanotubes would have about the same relationship to graphite that a cylinder has to an large plane. Bucky-balls to graphite is definitely like a sphere to an large plane.

      As a chemist, I'd expect that the reason compressing bucky-balls can produce nanotubes is that the kinetics of the process is going to be restricted by the initial C^60 configurations. It would seem that adjacent C^60 groups can go to a C^120 tube under cunningly chosen conditions. It isn't that there's anything magical about C^60!

  22. Hmm by aarku · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone else having the sudden urge to get their fiancée one of these bad boys so they can scratch the hell out of lesser gemstones?

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

  23. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i call fud

  24. Methods for measuring Hardness by hopethisnickisnottak · · Score: 4, Informative

    For a good description of Hardness measuring methods, See this page

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    1. Re:Methods for measuring Hardness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like 50 bottles of Viagra or five library of congress worth of porn.

  25. Now's the time. by Petersson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get me a plenctor from this material.. I'll pick my guitar and play the hardest rock mankind ever heard..

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    1. Re:Now's the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What on earth (natural or man-made) is a plenctor?

      OTOH I know people who play guitars with plectrums...

    2. Re:Now's the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean "plectra"

    3. Re:Now's the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no no no, it's "plectramasaurauseses" or is that "plectramasauresesi", I forget

  26. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its the product of living in a society that is obsessed with materialism.

  27. Marilyn wouldn't like it by YuriGherkin · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I mean, really, "Aggregated diamond nanorods are a girl's best friend" just doesn't have the same catchy ring to it. :P

  28. Prices for Dimonds by OneArmedMan · · Score: 1

    Would come down ... that is if De Beers could be regulated and stop their monopolistic practices of artificilly limiting diamond supply to keep prices up.

    still Emeralds and other jems are rarer than diamonds and should there for be worth more, but since De Beers controls the supply of diamonds and spends stupid amounts of money telling everyone how "rare diamonds really are" , prices will always be what they are.

    ( go google it if you dont believe me )

    ever wonder why every 4 / 6 months you see jewelery adverts saying *OMGz , 50% off*

    yeah .. they can afford to.

    Still , if it keeps the little woman happy and people dont bother thinking about it, De Beers is always going to have demand far out strip the supply it is willing to give and make lots and LOTS of money.

    1. Re:Prices for Dimonds by YuriGherkin · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen a jewellery store go out of business?

      I went back to visit (one) of my old home towns from 20 years. Almost all the shops had changed hands, even some of the McDonalds had closed down but the jewellery stores were still in the exact same locations.

    2. Re:Prices for Dimonds by jizmonkey · · Score: 1
      Whether emeralds and rubies are rarer than diamonds is not determinative; as any Econ 1 student knows, it is supply and demand that determines the market price.

      Debeers doesn't have nearly the market share that they used to. It's not simply a matter of artificial scarcity holding up the price, although we all know the tricks they used to play.

      One could argue that the demand is artificial, created by clever advertising, but then what's it to you? If you don't want it, don't buy it. If you do want it, are you just complaining that your tastes and preferences were altered by advertising? That's a pretty weak thing to whine about.

      There are lots of pretty baubles to spend your money on. If you think emeralds and rubies are better simply because they're rarer, you should be happy that the price is "artificially" low because all those schmucks are off buying their wives semi-precious diamonds instead.

      Personally, I suspect the demand is genuine. People like the fire in their eyes and the ice in their hands. You don't get fire and ice from anything besides diamonds. We are fortunate to live on a planet where something so pretty is common.

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    3. Re:Prices for Dimonds by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      yes but "pretty" is in the eye of the beholder. i have no desire to look at sparkley shiney things and personally can see little visual advantage in emerald (for example) over green stained-glass. my wedding ring will probably be jet black. though i'd need to work out what rock i want to get it carved out of. heh. probably not coal, though, unless i cant afford anything more durable!

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    4. Re:Prices for Dimonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our downtown jewellery store, that had been there for a long time (over 100 years?), recently went out of business. I'm not sure what is there now... probably another starbucks.

    5. Re:Prices for Dimonds by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      You don't get fire and ice from anything besides diamonds...

      I think everyone knows that diamonds are about materialism and bragging rights. I would never want to marry a woman who would put me through the hell of "shopping" for a diamond. Every time I'd look at that frick'ing ring, I'd be thinking of the dollar figure and the a**holes trying to sell me as large a stone as I could possibly afford. Worse, I'd be thinking of DeBeer's commercials. Nothing about diamonds excite me. They nauseate me.

      What does a pair of platinum wedding bands cost these days? It would be interesting to compare it to a diamond engagement ring. The metal used would have a reasonable market rate price (no stupid certificates or appraisals to deal with), and your wedding ring could be used for electrolysis in a pinch.

    6. Re:Prices for Dimonds by ThaFooz · · Score: 1

      Well I don't think there is any relationship between the industrial diamond market and the jewelry market , as imperfections/discoloration/ect is a wee bit more acceptable in drill bits & quite a bit of polishing/shaping goes into jewelry.

      But frankly, of all the monopolies out there, I'm hardly concerned with the allged diamond one - they're anything but essential to daily life, so what if they gouge rich idiots? Really, the thing that burns me up about the diamond trade is the sheer number of Conflict Diamonds out there.

      And by the way, whom is one attempting to impress with diamonds? I sure as hell can't tell the difference between a real diamond and a cubic zirconia - or even cheap cut glass - and I bet most people out there can't tell the difference either (sure, some women say they can, but I'd love to put them to the test). Never did understand the whole jewelry/fashion thing. Methinks I'm in the wrong industry... seems a lot easier to get rich by selling dumb women artificaly priced garbage rather than inventing/engineering useful things...

    7. Re:Prices for Dimonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go for onyx, if you like the pure-black look. Personally, I prefer black opal - all the pretty colors hiding there ;-)

      Opal, however, is very soft and NOT very durable (darn it).

    8. Re:Prices for Dimonds by bdcrazy · · Score: 1

      A fair many years ago i bought a platinum and diamond engagement ring, and it was cheaper than the equivalent setting in white or yellow gold, though i haven't checked recently. Also, having platinum makes it more unique and lets it stand out better on paler skin.

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    9. Re:Prices for Dimonds by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      My wife and I bought platinum rings because neither of us like diamonds. The pair was around $1000.

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  29. Discovery? No way. by Stuntmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's no way these guys can claim priority here. It completely stretches all notions of credulity. I mean, Superman has been transforming coal into diamonds with his bare hands for nearly 60 years now (first mention Action Comics #115; 1947). Together with his optical super-powers, in this case I'm of course referring to what is simplistically referred to as his "heat vision", it's clear that Superman could generate the required pressure and heat with almost no effort. He probably discovered this new diamond stuff by accident when he was like 8 or something. Jeez, I can't believe the crap that makes it through peer review these days.

  30. What is it about carbon? by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We're (laregly) made of carbon. Diamonds, the (formerly) hardest substance known to exist, is made of carbon. This new material is also made of carbon.

    Carbon is also the basis for buckyballs, nanotubes, and recently, nanofabric.

    What is it about carbon that's so special? Can these things be done with other elements, like nitrogen? Is it just because we have an oil (carbon) based economy, or what?

    Seems like all the interesting stuff in materials physics in early 2000's is ALL CARBON!

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    1. Re:What is it about carbon? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, we are largely made out of water.

      "Water is the most common molecule in the human body. Fully 87% of human body atoms are either hydrogen or oxygen."

      http://www.biology-online.org/9/1_chemical_composi tion.htm
      http://www.eurekah.com/abstract.php?chapid=541&boo kid=51&catid=44

    2. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no chemical expert, but I believe it has to do with the fact that carbon has 4 free electron slots in its outermost "electron shell". It just happens that this number makes it bond with other atoms in very useful ways. Also, it can crystalize with other carbon atoms in a very strong structure (tetragonal, if I'm not mistaken) to form diamond, a very tough substance indeed.

    3. Re:What is it about carbon? by MAdMaxOr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From Wikipedia: "[Carbon] also has the interesting chemical property of being able to bond with itself and a wide variety of other elements, forming nearly 10 million known compounds."

      Not only is it able to chain, and thereby make organic compounds, DNA, nanofiber, but the bonds it forms can be very weak or strong. So yeah, carbon has unique chemical properties, its cheap, and (too) widely available.

      As a side question, who thinks that as all of the advanced carbon materials become readily available over the next 50 years, and demand increases, that we may have found our solution to global warming? We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!

    4. Re:What is it about carbon? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      It can bond with itself, forming rings, chains, and other interesting structures. (Buckyballs, tubes, etc) It can bond with many other elements, and it's size is conducive to forming several bonds with small atoms.

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    5. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm. we are made up of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen... Alcohol is made up of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen... Wheeeee! I am made of booze!

      This breach in logic brought to you by 'A damn fool' !

    6. Re:What is it about carbon? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 5, Informative

      Carbon is the most electronegative element with a valence of 4. Electronegativity increases on the periodic table going right and up, and it is a measure of how strongly an atom holds onto electrons. This means that carbon can form four extremely strong atomic bonds with other carbon atoms. Because the bonds are strong, they will make a structure extremely hard if the bonds are arranged into inflexible shapes. Repeating triangles make diamond. Hexagons and Pentagons folding back on each other make buckminsterfullerene (buckyballs). Hexagons rolled into cylinders make nanotubes. The fact that it can make 4 bonds allows all these repeating shapes (polymers) to come about.

      Carbon is the only element that has these properties (valence 4, high electronegativity) that allow it to form the structures it does. Under extreme pressure and temperature, it's believed that silicon could be coaxed into some kind of polymerization. I remember reading once that a research group managed to polymerize pure nitrogen under megabars of pressure and thousands of degrees F. The result had 3 times the energy density of TNT, and violently decomposed when the pressure was let off - can anyone elaborate or corroborate?

      Anyway, hope this helps!

    7. Re:What is it about carbon? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Helps=yes.

      I'd LOVE to learn more about polymerized nitrogen or silicon!

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    8. Re:What is it about carbon? by william_w_bush · · Score: 1

      (ph.ds go easy on me, pls, i failed ochem)

      Carbon is essentially the most chemically flexible element. One of the few, basically only element capable of having 4 valence electrons active in covalent bonds. This is why carbon is the only element capable of forming tetrahedral covalent bonds with 4 other c atoms. Also allows for all the hydrocarbon chemistry that is the basis for life, our energy, and all organic chemistry.

      It's huge, because it's light, common, and uniquely versatile, capable of having bonds other elements can't, and longer, more complicated molecular chains than other elements too, all from one extra active valence electron.

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    9. Re:What is it about carbon? by Saggi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Carbon is the most electronegative element with a valence of 4."

      Sorry, but this is wrong. The most electronegative element is Flour, with a value of 3.98, while carbon only has a value of 2.55.

      The reason that carbon is so interestion is not its electronegative capacity, but ist structure. It can form a lot of complect shapes, rings, tubes, etc... this makes it strong.

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    10. Re:What is it about carbon? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      leartn to read please.
      He never claimed it to be the most electronegative one... only those with 2s2p valence electon configuration

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    11. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!"


      In soviet russia plants scrub your atmosphere to build their carbon products.
    12. Re:What is it about carbon? by kettlechips · · Score: 1
      Silicon seems to get the closest to the unique properties of carbon, but not quite.
      Googling "silicon buckyballs" yielded this:
      http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000C971 F-DD98-1C5A-B882809EC588ED9F

      Although it also has the property of being able to share four electrons with adjacent molecules,
      I believe (not entirely sure) it's the size of a silicon atom that prevents
      structures entirely similar to those possible with carbon.

      Carbon seems to be truly unique this way, making it difficult to imagine
      that harder materials could be found that are not carbon based.

    13. Re:What is it about carbon? by Saggi · · Score: 1

      My appology. Your right.

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    14. Re:What is it about carbon? by freewaybear · · Score: 3, Funny

      The most electronegative element is Flour, with a value of 3.98, while carbon only has a value of 2.55. I thought flour was made from seed grains! I must update my periodic table and cookbooks!

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    15. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What people seem to be forgetting here is that we're very good at achieving products with near theoretical strength in carbon. It's almost impossible for it not to work, because of the c-c bond lenth, sp3 hybridization, the interlocking FCC structure of diamond, etc...
      Four nearest neighbour atoms is all fine and good, but lets go further, lets really strive to do something impressive. Lets make metals do this - closepacking gives you a lot more than four N.N atoms, and the theoretical strengths of metals blow carbon out of the water....

      Now... all we need is some way of halving their interatomic distances....

    16. Re:What is it about carbon? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1
      We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!

      Carbon, like silicon, is just too easy to obtain in solid form. Anything which could be, or was, living is a good source of carbon, including most types of human waste.

      Extracting it from the atmosphere will be too expensive by comparison.

    17. Re:What is it about carbon? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Well, that and the fact that FLOUR is not an element.

      Though I figured out what he meant, it took a minute since I had just made pizza dough last night. Lots of flour there.

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    18. Re:What is it about carbon? by RobinH · · Score: 1

      As a side question, who thinks that as all of the advanced carbon materials become readily available over the next 50 years, and demand increases, that we may have found our solution to global warming? We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!

      Why would you do that when you can just burn down a forest or 2 and gather up all the ashes?

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    19. Re:What is it about carbon? by Pentagram · · Score: 1

      We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!

      And the energy to do this will come from...?

    20. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is not. Flourine is the most electronegative element.

    21. Re:What is it about carbon? by servognome · · Score: 1

      We're (laregly) made of carbon... This new material is also made of carbon.

      So what you are saying is aggregated diamond nanorods are made of PEOPLE!!!

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    22. Re:What is it about carbon? by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      Is it just because we have an oil (carbon) based economy, or what?


      The other way around, really. Carbon's unique properties mean that hydrocarbons are basically the most useful way to store energy.

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    23. Re:What is it about carbon? by Alsee · · Score: 1

      managed to polymerize pure nitrogen under megabars of pressure and thousands of degrees F. The result had 3 times the energy density of TNT

      You really shouldn't publish that recipe. You're helping the terrorists.

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    24. Re:What is it about carbon? by DevNova · · Score: 1

      And because we are mostly carbon, we can do cool stuff like this with our loved ones after they have passed on.

    25. Re:What is it about carbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I remember reading once that a research group managed to polymerize pure nitrogen under megabars of pressure and thousands of degrees F.

      Do you mean the "nitrogen diamond"?

      http://www.physorg.com/news693.html

      http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040717/fob4. asp

  31. Naming by shut_up_man · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Aggregated diamond nanorods is a bit of a mouthful... shall we call it Adinar? Agdian? Xena? Buffy?

    1. Re:Naming by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      Adinar sounds good.

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  32. nuh uh by i_should_be_working · · Score: 1, Funny

    This can't possibly be harder than adamantium. Otherwise Captain America would have used it instead for his shield.

    1. Re:nuh uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This can't possibly be harder than adamantium. Otherwise Captain America would have used it instead for his shield.

      "A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium." --http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.h tm

      For our next topic... can mighty mouse beat up superman?

    2. Re:nuh uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you learn something new everyday. So what's Thor's hammer made of?

    3. Re:nuh uh by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Personally I'd go with "Arenak". Easy on the salt though, Mr. Seaton...

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    4. Re:nuh uh by CaptainFork · · Score: 1

      He would be standing in the river.

    5. Re:nuh uh by Hafren · · Score: 0

      Captain America didn't use it in his shield. Adamantium was the product of reverse engineering his shield but I believe it lacks vibranium. Unless you are referring to Ultimate Captain America who has a shield made of adamantium. ;)

    6. Re:nuh uh by ifwm · · Score: 1

      Enchanted uru. The enchanted part is (as I recall, not the biggest Thor fan) what makes it harder than adamantium.

    7. Re:nuh uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meteorite.. or lightning itself. I prefer to think of it as Thor juice.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir

    8. Re:nuh uh by deimtee · · Score: 1

      Inoson for me.
      It's even a nice purple colour. :)

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  33. WOW by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    you have somebody just chasing you with Anti-Mod points. At worse, you were not funny, but off topic? hummmm.

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  34. Was never hardest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently these guys haven't heard of Ultrahard Fullerite.

  35. Trivia by Palal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Artificial diamonds were first developed in Kiev, Ukraine at the University for Superhard Materials. Later, there were plans to make them into armor (armored cars, armored vests, etc.).

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  36. heh, I though otherwise by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    I though Jack Thompsons' head was the hardest material.

  37. LIES! NO GOATSE LINK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The link goes to a legitimate source. Not a goatse link. Fucking trolls.

  38. Alot of work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for a measely 69 gigapascals

  39. Oh Moh!! by craznar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The old scale is broken.

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  40. Next gen ridiculous expensive gift by setien · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Engraved diamonds for your girlfriends, anyone?

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    1. Re:Next gen ridiculous expensive gift by amanox · · Score: 1

      How do you think they cut diamonds anyway? With diamonds! So if they can cut it, they can engrave it. I'm guessing the only reason why they don't is because the're so tiny and people want them to be shiny... unless you're found of having your name written on grain of rice.. but even that is like 20 times larges than most diamonds...

    2. Re:Next gen ridiculous expensive gift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many diamonds are marked, I do not know if it is done by engraving or etching. Canadian diamonds are marked to document their provenance.

  41. Do you realize how much pr0n you could buy....? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    I don't care how hard it is, I am not buying my wife a new ring.
    You mean you have to buy your wife a new ring every time it's hard?

    Jeez, just do what the rest of us Slashdotters do. Trust me, you won't go blind or grow hair on your palms. On the other hand (hah!) the carpal tunnel's a bitch.
  42. Unobtainium! by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

    Let me be the first to suggest we call it Unobtainium. But since the material really exists and is obtainable... Um, I think I broke my brain. I go to bed now.

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  43. Geeks in a strip club by CherniyVolk · · Score: 1


    "God was very moving and erotic *snort*"

    "How erotic?"

    "I was at 420 gigapascals!"

  44. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by el_womble · · Score: 4, Funny
    Please choose an answer from the following:
    1. You love, honour and respect her, she just has a thing for diamonds, like you do for G5s
    2. Shes f"!king gorgeous
    3. She was the only one that said yes
    4. She can keep you in the level of technology that you have become accustomed
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  45. Bucky balls... by Mathiasdm · · Score: 1

    Wait, weren't bucky balls (Buckminster Fullerene) harder than diamond?

    I could be wrong, of course ;-)

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    1. Re:Bucky balls... by 0xCAFE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apparently... http://home.att.net/~numericana/answer/physics.htm #properties
      But only in certain cases. Also, bucky balls are toxic. While their individual atomic structure is superhard, they don't adhere to each other well, making them more like graphite than diamond.

  46. Isothermal Bulk Modulus Explained by TubeSteak · · Score: 0
    Isothermal Bulk Modulus

    Bulk Modulus



    And because neither of the above really explains anything, here's a better explanation of Bulk Modulus (With lots of neat graphs & charts on the left side of the page)

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  47. Do shut up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your stupid wives don't want diamonds because they're the hardest thing around. In fact, they probably don't even want you for that reason, either.

  48. Obligatory Nigel Tufnel quote... by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

    on the hardness scale

    "But this goes to eleven"

  49. Bah.. they ain't so tough.. by supachupa · · Score: 1

    Anything made of carbon can be vaporised with a blue flame.

  50. Some clarifications on materials and methods by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 4, Informative


    Most (if not all) of the diamond in diamond coated drills are produced through this process.

    There are several processes for putting diamond onto the lap/saw/drill. Some diamonds (natural or synthetic) are brazed onto the material, many saws and diamond wheels actually have diamond impregnated metal so as it wears, cutting action is not degraded and the cheapest method is really close to gluing the damn things to the material. In this instance, it is almost always synthetic. In gem faceting, diamond powder is actually sprinkled onto a lap and rolled into it or used as a slurry.

    But as far as "most" goes, "most" diamond tools are not diamond at all but silicon carbide. And even then, it depends on the application for the lap, drill or saw. Depending on the material you are cutting or polishing, natural diamond is preferred to synthetic. This is the case when polishing diamonds and sapphires.

    Also, there are a number of "fake" diamonds in the market already, none of which have had any impact on the diamond as a gem. The most common are CZ (cubic zirconia) and Moissanite which is a compressed carbon, also known as silicon carbide, and naturally occurring in meteorites but made for the market in labs. Other "brands" of fake diamonds are usually Moissanite. In diamond testing, cz fails thermal tests, Moissanite passes but fails on conductivity.

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    1. Re:Some clarifications on materials and methods by DJ_Goldfingerz · · Score: 1

      In diamond testing, cz fails thermal tests, Moissanite passes but fails on conductivity.

      I believe you're wrong about Moissanite failing conductivity test. I bought a Moissanite stone from a jeweler, and just for kicks he used a diamond tester to show me how it trick the tester. The tester was actually used to test the thermal conductivity of the stone. Both Diamonds are Moissanites have similar thermal conductivity, unlike CZ.

      The way a jeweler checks to see if it's a Diamond or a Moissanite, is to check for double refraction, which the Moissanite has. Another way is to check the fire of the stone, since Moissanite's are much more dispersive than diamonds.

    2. Re:Some clarifications on materials and methods by EtherAlchemist · · Score: 1


      I believe you're wrong about Moissanite failing conductivity test.

      No, Moissanite does fail conductivity, that's how it's tested- by electrical conductivity. It is silicon carbide and absorbs heat at the same rate a diamond does, this is why it passes diamond testers (which just report diamond or synthetic material based on thermal test) and why Moissanite testers use conductivity tests. Silicon carbide does not conduct electricity in the same way a diamond does, and so this (Moissanite tester) is used if the diamond test passes.

      More information thatn you ever wish you had on Moissanite testing.

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    3. Re:Some clarifications on materials and methods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In fact there are two new synthetic diamond processes you did not mention which are much harder to detect; one of these processes might eventually lead to the use of diamond instead of silicon for computer chips:

      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.h tml

      The New Diamond Age

      Armed with inexpensive, mass-produced gems, two startups are launching an assault on the De Beers cartel.

      Next up: the computing industry.

      By Joshua Davis

      Aron Weingarten brings the yellow diamond up to the stainless steel jeweler's loupe he holds against his eye. We are in Antwerp, Belgium, in Weingarten's marbled and gilded living room on the edge of the city's gem district, the center of the diamond universe. Nearly 80 percent of the world's rough and polished diamonds move through the hands of Belgian gem traders like Weingarten, a dealer who wears the thick beard and black suit of the Hasidim.

      "This is very rare stone," he says, almost to himself, in thickly accented English. "Yellow diamonds of this color are very hard to find. It is probably worth 10, maybe 15 thousand dollars."

      "I have two more exactly like it in my pocket," I tell him.

      He puts the diamond down and looks at me seriously for the first time. I place the other two stones on the table. They are all the same color and size. To find three nearly identical yellow diamonds is like flipping a coin 10,000 times and never seeing tails.

      "These are cubic zirconium?" Weingarten says without much hope.

      "No, they're real," I tell him. "But they were made by a machine in Florida for less than a hundred dollars."

      Weingarten shifts uncomfortably in his chair and stares at the glittering gems on his dining room table. "Unless they can be detected," he says, "these stones will bankrupt the industry."

      Put pure carbon under enough heat and pressure - say, 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit and 50,000 atmospheres - and it will crystallize into the hardest material known. Those were the conditions that first forged diamonds deep in Earth's mantle 3.3 billion years ago. Replicating that environment in a lab isn't easy, but that hasn't kept dreamers from trying. Since the mid-19th century, dozens of these modern alchemists have been injured in accidents and explosions while attempting to manufacture diamonds.

      Recent decades have seen some modest successes. Starting in the 1950s, engineers managed to produce tiny crystals for industrial purposes - to coat saws, drill bits, and grinding wheels. But this summer, the first wave of gem-quality manufactured diamonds began to hit the market. They are grown in a warehouse in Florida by a roomful of Russian-designed machines spitting out 3-carat roughs 24 hours a day, seven days a week. A second company, in Boston, has perfected a completely different process for making near-flawless diamonds and plans to begin marketing them by year's end. This sudden arrival of mass-produced gems threatens to alter the public's perception of diamonds - and to transform the $7 billion industry. More intriguing, it opens the door to the development of diamond-based semiconductors.

      Diamond, it turns out, is a geek's best friend. Not only is it the hardest substance known, it also has the highest thermal conductivity - tremendous heat can pass through it without causing damage. Today's speedy microprocessors run hot - at upwards of 200 degrees Fahrenheit. In fact, they can't go much faster without failing. Diamond microchips, on the other hand, could handle much higher temperatures, allowing them to run at speeds that would liquefy ordinary silicon. But manufacturers have been loath even to consider using the precious material, because it has never been possible to produce large diamond wafers affordably. With the arrival of Gemesis, the Florida-based company, and Apollo Diamond, in Boston, that is changing. Both startups plan to use the diamond jewelry business to fina

  51. So wait a sec... by Praedon · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I have to replace my wifes diamond ring with this new material, so she can have something thats better than diamond? Joking aside, I would have to say the last four years alone, we have made more breakthroughs that actually MEANT something to our existance, and could be used to apply in the workfield, than we ever have in a long time.... I would really like to see further progression with this line of research... If something could be made thats stronger than this stuff... we should have the next wave of Ginsu knives showing late at night when we can't sleep, and find ourselves posting on slashdot at 4 am in the morning... Now that would be a deal!

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    1. Re:So wait a sec... by vidarh · · Score: 1
      I know you were joking, but the reason diamonds are popular is exclusively a result of De Beer's marketing machine, and has nothing to do with any qualities of diamond and everything to do with whether or not De Beers control the supply of it.

      Diamonds aren't even particularly scarce. Just scarce enough that De Beers have managed to keep the price articifically inflated through cartel like manipulation and control of large parts of the supply chain.

      Diamonds only got popular after De Beers started their marketing campaigns to make them seem exclusive and glamorous. It's one of the greatest examples of artificially created demand ever.

  52. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Why'd you marry such shallow, pathetic women?

    What -- you mean there's some other kind?


    I think the AC was suggesting that people should broaden their horizons.

  53. Re:Discovery? No way. by Arren · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....

    Wow, I didn't know Comic Book Guy lurked on Slashdot.....

  54. Error in article? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 5, Informative
    The group created the ADNRs by compressing the carbon-60 molecules to 20 GPa, which is nearly 200 times atmospheric pressure...
    Unless I'm very much mistaken, atmospheric pressure is ~101.3 kilopascals, which makes this more like 200 thousand times atmospheric pressure. I'm a little suprised that slipped by the editors of a site called 'physicsweb.org'...
  55. sweet by AxemRed · · Score: 1

    Think about the crazy shapes they can cut diamond rings into now.

  56. I want some! by unlabeledchick · · Score: 1

    Diamonds are a girls best friend... I wonder if you can make a jewellry out of it?
    I'm sure that Batmans new armour will be made from it :D

    1. Re:I want some! by infolation · · Score: 1

      "A kiss on the hand may be quite continental..."

      Even Frank would have problems getting "Aggregated Diamond Nanorods" to scan.

  57. Industrial uses by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

    When I worked at a machine shop, it really was expensive to keep the tips of tool's that cut materials to not become dull. It is possible with this new invention that they could start making cutting tools for lathes/mills that would last a lot longer than the diamond tipped tools they use now. This could potentially lower the cost of a lot of items (unless the companies just keep the revenue for themselves).

    1. Re:Industrial uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. I've seen lots of really expensive tools meet early ends because the people using them couldn't be bothered to do the math for the correct speed/feed rates. Besides, hardness isn't always the most important property of a tool. (Ever wonder why they started making indexable carbide inserts? They are very brittle, and shatter easily.) I've watched people who think carbide is "the shit" try to plow through SS. Here's a hint: SS tends to harden if you try to cut it at the wrong speed. It's good entertainment, but once the tool destroys itself there's very little chance that even someone who knows what they are doing can salvage the part.

      I guess for grinding you are right, even most lathe work, but milling cutters need to be able to take the pounding of entering and exiting the material. Extra hardness is only cool if you can get it without the brittle properties like carbide has. If they can get this laid down as a coating as easily as TiN, then they could match up whatever type of steel gives the cutter the best overall properties.

      But what do I know, most of the stuff I work on is not your everyday steel or aluminum. titanium, zirconium, chrome. Funny story about the zirc... Don't let the chip piles build up. Very intense fireball. ;)

  58. Nice article, dumb title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the submitter, learn to read!

  59. must...resist... by zephc · · Score: 1

    must...resist...jokes about nano rods... and... girlfriends...

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  60. Yeah... But.... by MisterQ · · Score: 1

    Yeahbut, not as shiny, I'll bet...

    q

  61. One Use by CleverNickedName · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, I'll be able to drill into that 10ft diamond I found in the garden.

    I'm sure there's gold in the center of it!

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  62. Diamonds are unstable. by Saggi · · Score: 1

    The article states in the title "Diamonds are not forever". This was true even before this new material was created. Real diamonds decade into graphite. It takes many years (millions), but diamond is not the most stable version of carbon atoms, even if it is the hardest.

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    1. Re:Diamonds are unstable. by hoehue · · Score: 1

      And Carbon isn't the most stable form of matter at all. It might fuse to heavier elements up to iron. But don't ask for timescale. Interesting fact, that the most stable grid for carbon is far from being the hardest. Btw can it be proved, that graphite is really the most stable grid for carbon? You have to solve a minimal problem on a multidimensional configuration space. It is usualy hard if not impossible to prove that a local energy minimum found is also the global one.

  63. Shouldn't this be by 02bunced · · Score: 1

    'denser than diamonds'

    rather than what is currently writter: 'harder than diamonds'

    This is meant to be the reporting of a science story you know!

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  64. Was it obligatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obligatory. adj. Of the nature of an obligation; compulsory: Attendance is obligatory. Mathematics is an obligatory course.

  65. Even harder materials are known by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

    Research has shown that the plate in front of the average /. poster is harder and tougher than any other material known to man. It is just impossible to penetrate.

    So the article is totally wrong anyway (-:

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    1. Re:Even harder materials are known by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yessss, insult them with THE PLATE!!!

      That will show them!!!

      Mwhahhahahahaaaaaa..........man, am I a dumbass.

  66. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by proton · · Score: 4, Funny

    two words: big boobs

    /pro

  67. I can see the spam now... by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    C1ali5 - aggregated diamond nanorods hard!!!

    I just deleted a cialis spam from my gmail account. :-( I wonder how they guessed my email address:

    bill.gates@gmail.com

    damn them!

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  68. Synthetic diamonds are already popular in industry by cduffy · · Score: 1

    ...and have been for a long time. Making synthetic diamonds which are on a size and quality scale appropriate for non-industrial uses -- that's what's shaking things up.

  69. So what...? by judowillreturns · · Score: 1

    My boss' head has been made out of this stuff for YEARS now!

  70. science and future ! by chrisranjana.com · · Score: 0

    Science disproves each and every past theory while creating new and exciting ones to be disproved later !

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  71. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You must ahve an interesting definition of 'to win'.

  72. Hummm, these rods are hard ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come and meet your uncle ROD ! (you do not expect me to sign this....)

  73. So, how hard are we talking here? by jcr · · Score: 1

    I'm not familiar with the units, so is the difference in hardness of 49 Gpa a lot?

    I remember reading that the difference in hardness from Tungsten Carbide to Diamond was greater than the difference from Tungsten Carbide to Talc (the softest mineral). Could somebody give us a hint here?

    -jcr

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    1. Re:So, how hard are we talking here? by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative
      491 / 442 = 1.1108597285067874

      So the difference is 11 %. I think whenever you're comparing two quantities, especially when you're not very familiar with the concepts, you can estimate the meaning of the difference by their ratio. Absolute differences are much less meaningful in science.

      However, there are some quantities whose number doesn't scale linearly with the physical effect. For example sound pressure (dB scale) and earthquake power (Richter scale) use logarithmic scales, where the absolute difference translates to physical ratio. For example an increase of 10 dB in volume means a 10-fold increase in the physical sound pressure.

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    2. Re:So, how hard are we talking here? by jcr · · Score: 1

      So the difference is 11 %.

      If it's a linear scale. Do you know if it is?

      -jcr

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    3. Re:So, how hard are we talking here? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      If it's a linear scale. Do you know if it is?

      In this case I happen to know it is... I have an M.Sci. in physics, with a little materials science background as well :)

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    4. Re:So, how hard are we talking here? by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 0
      In this case I happen to know it is... I have an M.Sci. in physics, with a little materials science background as well :)

      I bet you say that to all the girls!

    5. Re:So, how hard are we talking here? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      In this case I happen to know it is... I have an M.Sci. in physics, with a little materials science background as well :)

      I bet you say that to all the girls!

      I did once, and all I got was a screw dislocation.

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  74. Finally some new bling bling potential by eebra82 · · Score: 0

    So eventually, we'll see with nano-engineered diamond necklaces around rappers' necks?

  75. DeBeers can't monopolise diamonds any more. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    So buy "cultured" diamonds rather than mined ones.

    http://gemesis.com/home.htm

    Market economics at work. Someone keeps prices artificially high, someone else comes along and bursts their bubble.

    I personally think opals are far more beautiful than diamonds.

    http://www.australianopals.com/

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    1. Re:DeBeers can't monopolise diamonds any more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have to agree on the opals. Unfortunately they are also much softer and prone to damage. In jewelry they need a more protective setting, otherwise they'll chip..

  76. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

    There's only one kind for those that are blind.

  77. Re:Discovery? No way. by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

    "Together with his optical super-powers, in this case I'm of course referring to what is simplistically referred to as his 'heat vision'"

    I suppose now I'll always think of cyclops on x-men as having 'heat vision' instead of 'laser eyes'.

    My life is ruined... just ruined...

  78. How did they measure the hardness? by mr+fog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reading TFA, they apparently used a Diamond Anvil Cell to measure the hardness. This apprently consists of "two opposing cone-shaped diamonds squeezed together by a lever arm" (wikipedia).

    So my question is: If this stuff is harder than diamonds, surely the "opposing cone-shaped diamonds" would deform before the sample being measured?

  79. Buy Now! by onwardknave · · Score: 1

    Want a rod harder than diamond? German physicists have teamed up with Viagr...

  80. So on the Moh's scale of hardness... by RealErmine · · Score: 4, Funny

    This one goes to 11?

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    1. Re:So on the Moh's scale of hardness... by rhaig · · Score: 1

      beat me to it!

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    2. Re:So on the Moh's scale of hardness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score 4 "Interesting"? This deserves a funny for an excellent pop culture reference tied to an actual relative scale for hardness used by geologists. For shame, mods...

  81. Name by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

    couldn't they have come up with a better name. Sure that maybe the technical name but really.

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  82. Who are the ad wizards that came up with that one? by BlueTooth · · Score: 1

    An aggregated diamond nanorod is forever.

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  83. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get what you deserve, dude.

  84. Re:Discovery? No way. by FlopEJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know what to be more disturbed about. a. the fact that you knew which comic it was in or b. that I immediately had to figure out a Google to prove to check your facts! Superman's Powers

  85. Re:Discovery? No way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Well lets call it 'kryptonite' then...

    AC.

  86. Re:Discovery? No way. by ben0207 · · Score: 0

    *coughs* Cyclops' "Eye Beams" are purely concussive in nature. Not heat at all.

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  87. So what? by DanteLysin · · Score: 1

    A material can be harder than diamond, but how brittle is it? What scale did they use?

    Glass is a hard material (5.5 on the Mohs Scale of Hardness), but if you hit it just right ...

  88. Re: Rockwell Test by radoni · · Score: 1

    I do not see any text supporting that ADNRs are not able to be scratched by diamond. It may be possible that the two materials (diamond and ADNRs) are able to scratch one another. AFAIK the Rockwell test is used for naturally occurring substances anyways.

    Has the Rockwell test been accepted for non-natural substances?

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  89. for some reason.... by JaJ_D · · Score: 1

    "aggregated diamond nanorods are a girls best friend" just doesn't have the same "ring"

    There we are, two bad jokes in one sentence

    Jaj

  90. You say, 491 GPa!! by McSpace · · Score: 1


    How much more stiffer would she want it to be?!! :)

  91. Hard diamonds? by JFMulder · · Score: 1

    I guess this redefines the expression "Giving hard love to a woman."

  92. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Ours go to eleven.

    1. Re:One word by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's four words, Mr. Quayle.

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  93. Kind Diamond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I RTFA - must disagree.

    Nobody rocks harder than King Diamond.

  94. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Epistax · · Score: 1

    Many women are just duped into thinking buying an expensive ring is required and expected. Too much TV and cinema me thinks.

  95. With all due respect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think these guys need to check with my wife. To this day she claims my head is the hardest thing known...

  96. This ROYALLY SUCKS!!!! by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    You know, this sucks...

    I just after 29 yrs of waiting found a beautiful young woman...and I just asked her to marry me and gave her a diamond ring containing what was then the hardest substance known to man...

    And no sooner than I buy the ring and give it to her does it become outdated.

    *I can't win!*

    Everything I buy is outdated a week later...

  97. Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will it get me laid?

  98. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  99. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Tassach · · Score: 1

    My wife didn't want a diamond ring when we got engaged or married -- just a simple gold band. She thought it was a better idea to save that money for a down payment on a house. You've got to love a woman who's smart enough not to be influenced by pretty baubles.

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  100. Low-pressure construction? by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

    The group created the ADNRs by compressing the carbon-60 molecules to 20 GPa, which is nearly 200 times atmospheric pressure

    200 atmospheres? That's not much pressure. SCUBA divers regularly put more pressure than that in tanks they wear strapped to their backs.

    According to the "units" program on my laptop, 20 GPa is 197,384.65 atmospheres. 200 *thousand* atomospheres... that makes more sense.

    $ units
    2084 units, 71 prefixes, 32 nonlinear units

    You have: 20e9 pa
    You want: atm
    * 197384.65
    / 5.06625e-06
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    1. Re:Low-pressure construction? by Palshife · · Score: 1

      I never knew this program existed! Awesome!

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    2. Re:Low-pressure construction? by VooDoo999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google has this built into their converter as well.

  101. Re:Discovery? No way. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Wrong on both accounts... Cyclops' eye beams exert force, but no heat. Of course, I haven't read comics in over 10 years, maybe they changed it.

    You can relax, or freak out even more, I'm not sure which. ;-)

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  102. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by hackstraw · · Score: 1


    Not to disrespect you or your wife, but the whole myth behind the huge diamond ring is that the man is supposed to be able to afford a rock of some arbitrary size where larger is better AND a house, etc, etc.

    Want to talk about an excellent marketing scheme. The more recent ads telling us that we need to spend "2 months salary" even gauges how much to spend regardless of your income! Brilliant.

  103. Have You Seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my penis? I woke up this morning and it could cut diamonds. Ooh rah!

  104. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by iceborer · · Score: 1

    two words: big boobs

    I would expect that a significant portion of the Slashdot readership already has those available-- without needing to involve women.

  105. Terrible story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    DIamond is no longer the strongest material known to man. The new winner.... diamond.
                Geez. I usually don't complain about the editors, but...

    1. Re:Terrible story... by SlothB77 · · Score: 0

      That's the first thing I thought.

  106. 491 gigapascals? by Sgt_Jake · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowolf cluster of those running quake...

  107. What's the news here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Such a substance is known for quite some time. It is called "Ultrahard fullerite". It is about 1.3 harder than traditional diamonds (absolute hardness).
    Essentially the ultrahard fullerite is a C_60 with unique 3d polymer bonds.

    Just check : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrahard_fullerite

  108. We already do that. by Medievalist · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a side question, who thinks that as all of the advanced carbon materials become readily available over the next 50 years, and demand increases, that we may have found our solution to global warming? We'll scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to build our carbon products!
    We've been doing that for years. It's called "carpentry" and it uses these cool bio-tech machines called "trees" to convert atomospheric carbon and water into complex hydrocarbon structures known as "wood".

    You have to have a source of trace minerals (typically through a "ground" or "earth" connection) but the majority of the created structures are built from atmospheric carbon and hydrogen from water. The created material is incredibly useful and can be formed with little effort using commonly available tools.

    Oh, and the best part is, the process is entirely solar-powered. There's a little reverse carbon leakage when solar energy is not available (a condition we call "night") but it's negligible.

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
  109. Unbelievably lame name by Medievalist · · Score: 1


    Thus spake Calvin: "Isn't it weird how scientists can imagine all the matter of the universe exploding out of a dot smaller than the head of a pin, but they can't come up with a more evocative name for it than 'the Big Bang'? That's the whole problem with science. You've got a bunch of empiricists trying to describe things of unimaginable wonder."

    "Aggregated Diamond Nanorods?" Criminy, they couldn't call it "admantium" or something? Do they call their shirts "woven cotton planes aproximately tailored to the human torso"?

  110. Oh, I see they.... by rubberbando · · Score: 1

    Oh, I see they reinvented fruitcake. ;)

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  111. two months salary, or three months? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Excellent marketing scheme" is spot on. Diamond marketing is a stellar and revered example of mass market manipulation by marketers. Railing against women for wanting diamonds is going after the victims, not the perpetrators.

    Love your women. Educate them on the power of marketing to create synthetic needs, and despise the peddlers instead.

  112. Didn't this news break before... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

    ...about carbon nitride? Sounds so very familiar... Except back then they were using Schrodinger's equation to extrapolate harder substances and then trying to make them so it revolved around that theory more than anything else.

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  113. Compressed Osmium powder. by __aanvao3199 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Compressed Osmium poder has a bulk modulus of 462 GPa, thus harder than diamond. "Diamond is no longer the hardest substance known to man". This has been known for over 3 years. Should read 'Compressed Osmium powder is no longer the hardest substance known to man'.

  114. Hard work by drwho · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid, about 5, my mother told me that diamonds were carbon, the same as charcoal, just really, really compressed. So I took out some pliers and squeezed realllllyy hard to try to make some. It took a week before I admitted defeat.

    These days, I am trying to port NetBSD to a netgear router, with the NetBSD forums for the sbmips port being completely a ghost town. It may be an similar task to that which I tried as a kid. But I have MUCH bigger pliers now!

  115. Reference for the uninitiated by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had to look this up... General Products.

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  116. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Pollardito · · Score: 1

    because Russian scientists haven't developed any alternative yet

  117. Ob. Simpsons. by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 1

    mmmmm, rich creamery butter.

  118. TERRORIST! by LPetrazickis · · Score: 4, Funny

    A butter knife made entirely out of THAT!

    You TERRORIST! Won't anyone please think of the children?

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    1. Re:TERRORIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      A butter knife made entirely out of THAT!

      You TERRORIST! Won't anyone please think of the children?


      Yes. About that. Which side of them is it best to put the butter on.

  119. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by The+Standard+Deviant · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, wives sell you to diamonds.

  120. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Dread_ed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of other kinds of women, I read a statistic in the paper yesterday that said that there are more than 20,000 battered women in my city alone.

    And to think, all this time I have been eating them plain.

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  121. Allotropes, not polymers! by Wills · · Score: 3, Informative

    Diamond, graphite and fullerenes are actually allotropes , not polymers. Allotropes are different physical forms of the same element. Polymers are large molecules built from long chains of connected monomers -- repeating small groups of atoms. An allotrope by definition always has atoms of one element only, whereas polymers can have atoms of several different elements.

    1. Re:Allotropes, not polymers! by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      Ack - you're right. I kept thinking polymer was the wrong word, but couldn't think of the correct one... Teach me to post after midnight =)

    2. Re:Allotropes, not polymers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad you did post. Thanks.

  122. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by xSauronx · · Score: 1

    i wish i had mod points for you, that one was great.

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  123. You know, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started off wanting to mod you down, but I decided instead to respond instead.

    You are entirely correct! Trees and anything with Chlorophyll are basically CO2 'scrubbers'. The more I think about it, the more I realize that it's very likely that we as humans will not be able to come up with anything more efficient than what nature has given us.

    Oh blah, I just did a "me too" ... *sigh*

    Just to add to this discussion, the PROBLEM is, we are sucking decomposed biological stuff (oil) from deep in the earth and burning it at a phenominal rate. That is the problem with CO2 crazyness, not lack of greenery converting it for us. Blah blah, I'll shut up now.

    1. Re:You know, really... by booch · · Score: 1

      The other problem is that we're cutting down trees faster than they are being re-grown. (On that planet as a whole, at least. In the US, there's some evidence that urbanization is actually leading to an increase in forest coverage -- although that doesn't necessarily mean an increase in total tree "throughput".)

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  124. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by mdielmann · · Score: 1

    When my wife and I picked out our rings, the sales guy said "...and there's a diamond in the centre there..." My wife-to-be said, "Oh, really?" in a somewhat disappointed voice. And sure enough, there was a miniscule diamond in the centre of the design, so small that we'd missed it entirely. I looked at her, read her expression as being as ambivalent as I was and said to the salesman, "That's okay, we like it anyway."

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  125. This must be... by Stu+L+Tissimus · · Score: 0

    ...what the Ringworld shadow square ropes are made of! Zomg!

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  126. Re: Rockwell Test by khallow · · Score: 1
    I do not see any text supporting that ADNRs are not able to be scratched by diamond. It may be possible that the two materials (diamond and ADNRs) are able to scratch one another. AFAIK the Rockwell test is used for naturally occurring substances anyways.

    It's (significantly) harder than diamond implies the scratching goes one way. However, in practice diamond (and perhaps this material as well) have different hardnesses dependent on the orientation of the diamond (or this material).

    Has the Rockwell test been accepted for non-natural substances?

    Why not? There's probably some peculiar materials for which this hardness test makes little sense (eg, some sort of crumbly ceramic or composite materials like carbon fibre in resin), but most stuff scratches just like its natural counterparts.

  127. And yet... by Antisquark · · Score: 1

    Science has yet to create a substance harder than my abs. (Yeah, I don't know where that came from either.. do I even *have* "abs"?)

  128. Not the same comparison. by abb3w · · Score: 4, Informative
    Diamonds currently retain value as expensive the same way Oil does.

    A gross distortion — about oil. You are basically right about diamonds. While he may overhype matters somewhat, Epstein's classic book documents how the diamond cartel has been ruthless in its limit of supply to a value-sustaining level of marketing-created demand. If supply were to float free, diamonds would drop sharply in price. Furthermore, their intrinsic value within the economy isn't that high-- industrial use mainly. If the US government banned the sale of diamonds for non-industrial uses, DeBeers (and a chunk of the jewelry industry) would collapse, but the overall economy would be OK. Banning the industrial uses would hurt more, and probably trigger a recession, but not a total economic collapse.

    Oil, on the other hand, has many uses -- fuel, plastics, fertilizers, and chemical feedstocks probably heading the list. Furthermore, in economic terms, there are NO elasticly substitutable replacements for it, and an exponentially growing demand as China and India become fully industrialized. Since conventional biodiesel relies on petroleum fertilizers and machinery, the "best" elastic replacement is sythetic petroleum from coal, probably becoming competitive in the $120/bbl to $200/bbl range. In the good (?!?) news, this means base (untaxed) gas prices can't do much more than triple from current levels, so we shouldn't go over $10/gallon for gasoline for about 30 years after peak oil (given the vast US coal reserves). The bad news is that the ecologic impacts are higher... which might require higher gas taxes to deal with the impact.

    In addition, OPEC (and other cartel) quotas are not the primary limit on supply at this point — although they may be getting rich off it for the moment. Supply today is mainly limited the finite known reserves (with new discoveries having peaked pre-1970), and by current production rate limits (which is why a hurricane in the Gulf caused a price spike of oil to over $70/bbl). OPEC is pretty much pumping as hard as it can now.

    Diamond prices are indeed deeply controlled by deliberate supply controls, and there have been times when oil prices were influenced that way, but right now, the price of oil is pure unrestricted supply and demand... where supply is running out.

    (Why, yes, I am one of those "Peak Oil" kooks. Pleased ta meetcha.)

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  129. Shhhhh!!!!! by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Shut up, you fool! She'll hear you!

  130. Re:Discovery? No way. by javaxman · · Score: 1
    Wow, I didn't know Comic Book Guy lurked on Slashdot.....

    You must not be much of a Simpsons fan. Just a few Comic Book Guy quotes:

    Rest assured I was on the internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.

    CBG: Oh, Captain Janeway. Lace: The Final Brassiere. Oh hurry up, I'm a busy man. Ugh, this high-speed modem is intolerably slow. (The download is interrupted by a banner advertisement) Hey, what the? Huh, the Internet King. I wonder if he can provide faster nudity.
    (scene changes to Homer's office)
    Homer: Welcome to the internet my friend, how can I help you?
    CBG: I'm interested in upgrading my twenty eight point eight kilobaud internet connection to a one point five megabit fibre-optic T-1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatable with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?
    Homer: (after long pause) Can I have some money now?

    and, of course, according to his Wikipedia entry, "Comic Book Guy was once married, in an online fantasy game. He and his Internet wife were thinking of having children, but that would have severely drained his power crystals."

    Wow, off-topic *and* I wasted a good 12 minutes of my work time!

  131. You won't by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    Instead they will develop Sinclair molecule chain.

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  132. Not gross... just honest.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess a pretty simple way to put it would be like this:

    butter and ice cream are both essentially different forms of milk, but you don't see people walking around with cones full of butter do you?

    If you do, that's pretty gross.


    Actually, in all honesty, it's pretty common in advertisements. Even seen a nice, close-up photograph of pretty scoops of vanilla ice cream? Odds are, it's not actually ice cream: it's scoops of lard, made to look like ice cream. Lard doesn't melt nearly as fast, and is easier to photograph.

    If you get the chance, talk to a professional photographer who photographs various kinds of "food" for a living sometime: it's quite interesting. Just don't do it over lunch! ;-)
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  133. Ob. obscure film reference by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Just don't try using it to drill through rocket casings of ancient, extra-terrestrial origin. You'll regret it.

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  134. Harder than a diamond!!! by killmeplease · · Score: 1

    I thought they were talking about my member, the wanker down under, my Howard Johnson, Longjohn Silver, the high hard one, the wang doodle ...

    sometimes I think it is harder than diamonds.

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  135. Hard is not Tough by magarity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This new material is harder than diamonds but there's nothing to indicate its toughness. Which is important. Diamonds are easy to chip on something tougher because they aren't themselves very tough; they're just hard. To illustrade: Imagine a picture window and a bar of iron. Throw the bar of iron at the window. The window breaks because it is not as tough as the iron bar. But take a peice of the resulting broken glass and you can scrape the iron bar because the glass is harder than the iron.
     
    This is why a jewelry salesperson will panic if you try to scrape a diamond ring on the display glass; it's not the glass they're worried about. The diamond can break doing that if you hit someone else's prior scrape because the glass is tougher than the diamond.

  136. I want... by TooncesTheCat · · Score: 1

    A penis implant with that stuff.

  137. a billion Pascals? by game+kid · · Score: 1

    I somehow doubt Michael Vick could rush through that... ;)

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  138. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by rob_squared · · Score: 1

    Choose your words wisely, fat guys have big boobs too.

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  139. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer large, large... tracts of land, but that's just me.

  140. Welcome to the Iowa State Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The question is, will it be deep fat fried next year?

  141. Mohs by ozTravman · · Score: 1

    So does this get an 11 on the Mohs scale?

  142. No good instructional computer languages by typical · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someone give this guy a wedgie. He remembers how to program in Pascal.

    It's too bad; Pascal was a good choice for an instructional language. Straightforward syntax and usable for real-world problems.

    I think that the move to Java for introductory programming classes is very depressing. What people wanted was a "safe C", so that beginners didn't have to worry about bizarre misbehavior in their programs. Java, however, is a horrible choice for a teaching language, as it brings an entire raft of crap along with it, including all the OO crap, masses of library code, fat abstraction layers, and so forth. I've seen people take intro programming classes in Java and come out with some vague memories of some Java terminology, but not having learned anything about algorithms or structured thinking because they're busy struggling with all of the nonsense in Java.

    The older I get, the more I think that Knuth is right about wanting CS classes to be taught in assembly.

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  143. Huh? by __aawjnb3281 · · Score: 1

    Wikipedia states that diamond has a hardness of "between 167 and 231 gigapascals" while the article says it has a hardness of 442 GPa. Which is correct? Also, currently The Wiki states that "ultrahard fullerite" (with 310 GPa, still lower than the value stated for diamond in the article!) is the hardest material known, and is harder than diamond. So this is at least the second harder-than-diamond material discovered?

  144. Carbon Nitride is harder by Michael+Snoswell · · Score: 1

    I remember the story in New Scientist on a computer program to simulate hardness of crystal structures was let loose and strnagely suggested carbon nitride C3N4 was the hardest. The researchers were checking their program and expected diamond to come up the hardest. It's very hard to make though.

    A search in Google finds a reference here, section 4.11, which shows this happened in 1989. It's nice to know my memory is still working :-)

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  145. Re:Nanorods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My nanorod is hard too.

    Unfortunately, your nanorod is very, very small.

  146. There's a Candice Bergen movie you'd enjoy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the prices are kept artificially high by the diamond cartels and their storehouses of stones

    11 Harrowhouse (plot summary)

    gewg_

  147. Damn cipher. by polysylabic+psudonym · · Score: 1

    Yes, you (Fanblade) and Troon are right, I missed a zero. Goes to show I should have written it with thousands separators: 1 000 000 000. Harder to mess up.

  148. Re:To all the posters making jokes about thier wiv by Tassach · · Score: 1
    we need to spend "2 months salary"
    This tradition is actually an anachronism from the bad old days when women were viewed as property. The engagement ring was a "security deposit" of sorts, designed to compensate the bride (or more accurately, her father) in case the groom broke off the engagement. Remember at this time, marriages were most often arranged between families for political and/or financial reasons rather than for love. It was a contract, and the ring was a bond to ensure the contract was carried out.
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