Episode III Deleted Scenes Leaked Online

Master_of_Tumbleweeds writes "Like the previous Prequels' arrivals on DVD, Revenge of the Sith will have several deleted scenes included when it's released next month. We now have a sneak peak (thanks to various online spies like the infamous Darth Psychotic) at a couple of these sequences, one that depicts General Grievous actually dispatching a Jedi Knight (something we didn't even see in the theatrical release) and Yoda's arrival at the swamp planet of Dagobah. Episode III comes out on DVD November 1st"

Comments

Takes Balls

[AvitarX]

Takes some balls to do this right after 6 people get arrested for leaking the movie.

Re:Takes Balls

[rovingeyes]

or a lack of common sense...Either way those scenes are nice ;)

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[ZachPruckowski]

It really does. But really, it sends a message that even if the MPAA or whoever takes out a few pirates, there are more ready to take their places. really, this is natural selection. The less-bright ones get caught, and the smarter ones take over. Really, the problem for the MPAA is that the pirates can learn faster and be more dynamic.

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[Radres]

Ha! We all know that ninjas are better and smarter than pirates. The average ninja has an IQ 50 points higher than the average pirate, plus they can flip out and kill people! They cut off people's heads all the time without even thinking about it. Therefore, ninjas are way better than pirates. QED.

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[Cerdic]

No no, it takes space balls. They will get away with it if the Schwartz is strong in them.

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[affliction]

It's probably the same guys sticking it to The Man.

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[Golias]

But really, it sends a message that even if the MPAA or whoever takes out a few pirates, there are more ready to take their places.

Kudos to you for not trotting out Princess Leia's "the more you tighten your grip" line in order to make that point.

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[kcarlin]

Ha! We all know that ninjas are better and smarter than pirates. The average ninja has an IQ 50 points higher than the average pirate, plus they can flip out and kill people! They cut off people's heads all the time without even thinking about it. Therefore, ninjas are way better than pirates. QED.

Yes, but Bill tells us that the pirates run Linux, so they must be wiser.

And why do ninjas dress like Apple engineers at WWDC? I asked one and he went all tiger stance on me.

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[HunterZ]

Ha! We all know that ninjas are better and smarter than pirates. The average ninja has an IQ 50 points higher than the average pirate, plus they can flip out and kill people! They cut off people's heads all the time without even thinking about it. Therefore, ninjas are way better than pirates. QED.

Yeah, ninjae are totally sweet: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ninjas

Re:Takes Balls

[Radres]

Pirates may run Linux, but ninjas run OpenBSD, therefore they are even smarter!

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[Viper233]

Hmm... I think it would take more/bigger balls to sit through the whole movie again...
The thought of the tacky love scenes are already making me ill... over done CGI... mechanical voices... AARRRRGGGGGGG

no pride in posting AC... no karma left are posting non-AC

Re:Takes Balls

[Progman3K]

Torrent, anyone?

And this time, I'm not kidding!

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[PunkFloyd]

What the hell does quantum electrodynamics have to do with this? -pf

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[Dirtside]

Pirates will always defeat ninjas, and here's why:

1. Pirates drink rum. Ninjas are loser teetotalers. Drunk = awesome.
2. Pirates swear constantly. Ninjas are silent. Silent = boring.
3. Ninjas will never have their own holiday. What would it be, International Move Like a Ninja Day? *ghosts silently away*

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[Jerf]

So, Pirates will always beat Ninjas because... Pirates are more interesting?

Can't say I've ever been interestinged to death. On the other hand....

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[WilliamSChips]

In the original Latin, the word was ninia. Just making sure you knew.

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[Neoncow]

So, Pirates will always beat Ninjas because... Pirates are more interesting?

Can't say I've ever been interestinged to death. On the other hand....

Says (Score: 1) to (Score:5, Funny). :P

Re:Takes Balls

[bn557]

Pirates get a whole week in Ybor City / Tampa Florida.

Gasparilla

When a ninja is given credit for founding some cit{y,ies} and they celebrate it with a week of drunken debauchery[1], then they'll be on par with pirates.

[1] I prefer definition 2 of debauchery per dictionary.com

Re:Takes Balls

[raoul666]

3. Ninjas will never have their own holiday. What would it be, International Move Like a Ninja Day? *ghosts silently away*

The first rule of IMLAND is you don't talk about IMLAND.

Incidentally, it's next Tuesday. But shhhhhh.

Dagobah

[parasonic]

So, does Yoda actually build his own house out of mud, or does he hire a contractor to do it?

Re:Dagobah

[TEMM]

He probably got the midichlorians to do it for him

Re:Dagobah

[AKAImBatman]

Dunno. The screens just show the spaceship landing and Yoda in the doorway. I imagine the rest is still left to the imagination.

FWIW, I think the whole "exile" thing was one of the worst handled parts of Episode III. Yoda failed to dispatch the Emporor. So what? Suddenly, he MUST go into exile? No one is going to question the decision? No one thinks that they should regroup and attack the Emporor in force?

I can understand the idea behind the exile, but the execution needed a lot of work.

Re:Dagobah

[Prospero's Grue]

I can understand the idea behind the exile, but the execution needed a lot of work.

But then, the same can pretty much be said of most of the recent trilogy.

Re:Dagobah

[AceCaseOR]

It made sense to me. Anakin knows Obi-Wan is alive. Palpatine couldn't find Yoda's body, so assuming he was dead would be an unwise idea. So, it would be a very good idea for Yoda and Obi-wan to lay low for a while. A long while. I didn't particularly need expository dialogue to figure that out.

Frankly, the big studios tend to under-estimate the intelligence of the audience sometimes. For instance, the scenes of the T1000 searching John Connor's room by touch being cut at the studio's request from "Terminator 2: Judgement Day".

Re:Dagobah

[AKAImBatman]

It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the audience. It has to do with the flow of the story. The reasons for an individual exile are lost in the exposition given, thus making the scene seem strained. Even adding the following lines would have smoothed it out considerably:

Yoda: "Lost, the only chance is. No longer accessable to the Jedi, the Emporor will be. Wait in exile, I must."
 
Senator: "Yoda, are you certain? If we tell the people..."
 
Yoda: "No! Chosen this path, the people have. No room for Jedi."

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[fracai]

One of the books that came out a few years ago (I unfortunately have no idea which one) gave a great explanation of how Yoda actually achieved exile on Dagobah. It also explained the "evil cave".

The general idea was that Yoda fought a Sith or some other evil there, and his light force against the dark force of that evil canceled out any tell tail signs that a great Jedi was living there. It's too bad this wasn't followed up on in the movies...just like so many others

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[Rude Turnip]

That will supposedly be covered in a pre-prequel, as discussed on /. some time ago.

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[sholden]

Frankly, the big studios tend to under-estimate the intelligence of the audience sometimes.

I don't think that's possible.

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[Fastball]

or does he hire a contractor to do it
Yoda gets contractors, but they cost him a pretty penny because of the "brain drain" that happens when the Death Star gets blown up.

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[AKAImBatman]

How are they going to regroup and fight back? in episode 3 all the jedi were hunted down and killed. the army turned against the jedi.

It a good thing that revolutionaries tend to be a bit more inventive. ;-)

We (the audience) *know* that Yoda, Organa, and Obi-Wan are all still alive, but that no other Jedi are. Baring any force tricks, Yoda doesn't know who is and isn't still alive. Until he's taken an inventory of his resources, how does he know which course of action to take? And even if we assume that he does know these things, most reasonable people would expect him to consider building a resistance on the order of the Rebel Alliance. Yet no one questioned his choice to go into exile!

If I were in Organa's place, I'd probably see it as Yoda running away from a fight. The fact that he just accepted it without question is just as unrealistic as Yoda's failure to take an inventory and consider his options.

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[Jambon]

So, does Yoda actually build his own house out of mud, or does he hire a contractor to do it?

Hire contractors I did not! For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Luminous my abode is, not this crude matter you speak of.

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[Danger Stevens]

I didn't particularly need expository dialogue to figure that out.

Good, because expository dialogue is... not exactly George Lucas' strong suit.

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[Afrosheen]

I agree. There were other 'failing terminator' shots that were cut from the movie that would have made it more interesting. One where he grabbed a rail and his arm automatically took on the stripes and texture of the rail, a few more like that. It's been awhile since I watched the dvd but that's about all I remember of it.

  Sometimes scenes are cut to adjust the 'feel' of a movie, to keep up pacing, or to just cut time out of the film. A few newer movies I've totally agreed on what was cut, but some older films circa mid-to-late 90's really could have used the extras.

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[CrazyTalk]

ummm - since all the Jedi were to be killed, and Yoda was a Jedi, why WOULDNT he go into exile? He couldnt take on the emporer himself, and most of the other Jedi were dead by that point. Live to fight another day.

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[Gogo0]

Maybe the place on Dagobah was his summer home?

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[th3space]

I don't remember precisely (as it's been a while since I read the books), but the house would've already been there, as Degobah was once home to a powerful Sith Lord who died there in combat...that's why Yoda was drawn there.

Man, I'm sorry, I probably effed that one up good and hard...

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[meringuoid]

There were other 'failing terminator' shots that were cut from the movie that would have made it more interesting. One where he grabbed a rail and his arm automatically took on the stripes and texture of the rail, a few more like that. It's been awhile since I watched the dvd but that's about all I remember of it.

That was after the T1000 had been frozen, shattered and reformed. Presumably something fscked up, because after that it kept taking on the form of what it touched. The floor, the railings and so forth. This may explain why it suddenly decided to explode on being shot, unlike every other time that happened...

What bothered me, though, was: the T800 is presumably a pretty smart robot. It's frozen its opponent solid and rendered it temporarily harmless. But it then proceeds to shoot it and shatter it into countless shards. Then it says to Sarah and John, 'We don't have much time' and they leg it.

Why did the T800 act this way? Why shoot the frozen T1000? Doing that dramatically increased its surface area and made sure that it melted far more rapidly. Surely the T800 could have picked up the T1000 and just thrown it straight into the molten steel? It was an idiotic move for an AI that presumably has a reasonable knowledge of basic physics...

Re:Dagobah

[hal2814]

I agree. I was waiting to see what happened to Yoda that was so bad that he exiled himself to Dagobah. I was expecting him to somehow help Anakin's transformation into Vader something along those lines where Yoda's presence led to something catastrophic. Instead he just lost a fight with Palpatine. No wonder Yoda didn't want to help Luke in RoTJ. According to what we've seen from Yoda, Luke should've gone into hiding after Empire and waited for another generation to give it a try.

Re:Dagobah

[spoonyfork]

... the rest is still left to the imagination

I wish someone at LucasFilm had this thought three movies ago.

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[undercanopy]

the t1000 exploded on that scene because it was hit with ther grnade launcher, not a shutgun blast.

As for why shoot and shatter the frozen T1000, 3 reasons:

1) it looked frikkin cool
2) gave them an excuse to play with a lot of mercury/molten solder.
3) gave them a chance to show us just how resilient the thing is

on #3, i had wondered, throughout the movie, if there was indeed some central unit somewhere in there that controlled the rest of the thing. That scene solved that puzzle -- no. Perhaps the t800 didn't realize how resilient it was either?

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[Afrosheen]

My guess was that since the T800 was a hacked and repurposed model, it would have data files on the T1000 but not *complete* data files (i.e. what the resistance could learn about the T1000 they would program in). Therefore it wouldn't know the best way to defeat the T1000. Practically every device has an achilles heel that the engineers are aware of, but it would take extensive reverse engineering to discover this. My understanding was that the T1000 was a *very* new and almost beta model of the Terminator.

  Wow this was way nerdier than usual but I've always found the first two movies interesting.

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[Eccles]

No one thinks that they should regroup and attack the Emporor in force?

Who's "they?" Obi-Wan and Yoda? Everyone else seems to love the Emperor. As for two Jedi attacking a Sith lord, Jedi just get in each other's way. Qui-Gonn & Obi take on Darth Maul, Qui-Gonn dies. Obi-Wan and Annakin vs. Dooku? Obi gets owned early. Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, and two other Jedi Council vs. Palpa? Everyone but Windu is toasted quickly. If Yoda can't take Palpatine by himself, adding more Jedi will just make it worse.

(In a strange way, there's even an explanation for this. Jedi apparently have a bit of future sense, allowing them to choose the best course of action in the next instant. Throw in more Jedi, and the future is more vague because the other Jedi are also sensing it and changing their actions in reaction to the initial perception.)

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[undercanopy]

quote: Wow this was way nerdier than usual but I've always found the first two movies interesting.

that's exactly what i was thinking when i wrote mine ;)

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[hpavc]

You are correct, that is an old Sith residence. Its used again later when Luke needs a relic from there.

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[CaptainFork]

Yes, because the emporor pwned the galaxy. You'd know how Yoda feels if you've ever found yourself suddenly accountable to a new boss who thinks you suck wihout ever being consulted. Resume time.

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[sasdrtx]

Whatever. My old id was (42), but I forgot my password.

ZB

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[bahamat]

They weren't so much hunted down and killed as stood there with dumb looks on their faces while they pathetically keeled over when faced with danger.

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[portscan]

um, i disagree. in every instance you have a strong jedi and a weak one (okay, episode one is a small exception, but there is no real evidence that qui gon is a great warrior--just a wise jedi). obi wan has proved himself over and over again and yoda, well, so did he. windu is obviously more powerful than the other clowns he was with. and anakin was just a cocky little kid with underdeveloped skills and unreached potential when he fought dooku for the first time. so maybe they got in the way, but yoda and obiwan is a force to be reckoned with. and the greatest omission of the 1/2/3 trilogy is what happened in between 2 and 3 when obi wan and anakin were going around pounding on evil throughout the galaxy. now it is implicated that anakin saved obi wan's life many times, but you also have to guess that there was a lot of cooperative ass-whooping (although nothing is guaranteed).

still a direct attack on the emperor would have been an inevitable failure, given all his protection (clones, vader). maybe yoda should not have given up so easily in their first fight, but once he ran off, their only hope was that luke and leia eventually seek out the jedi way and topple the emperor (a long shot, but everything worked out nicely in the end, except for the nice people of alderan).

also, i think more jedi means more force power flowing around which means clearer picture of the future. as the sith rise in power, the jedi become weaker since their influence is diminished. it probably doesn't really make much of a difference in battle, though, to have 1 or 2 jedi (in terms of future visions).

Re:Dagobah

[phxbadash]

I don't think dialogue in general is George Lucases strong suit.

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[FRiC]

Actually, the part where the T1000 got shattered is where the T800 says the hasta line. So presumably it thought that the T1000 is dead. It only said 'we don't have much time' when the T1000 started melting and reforming. Killing the T1000 at the end by molten steel seem like an accidental move, I don't think the T800 has any knowledge about how the T1000 will react to molten steel.

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[Eccles]

windu is obviously more powerful than the other clowns he was with.

Kit Fisto kicked serious butt in the Clone Wars cartoon series, his only significant appearance outside that scene. (My son liked him from the cartoons, and hated that he died so easily in Ep 3.) Wikipedia claims he was one of the strongest warriors in the galaxy, and says the other two who died quickly were pretty strong warriors. But each goes out "like some sucka". It was Obi, not Annakin, who got slammed in Ep *3* in the battle with Dooku.

(My theory regarding multiple Jedi is somewhat in jest; I realize that their skill level is actually determined by the needs of the plot.)

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[Eccles]

Barring any force tricks, Yoda doesn't know who is and isn't still alive.

He was clearly shown taking pain with each death; he may have had a pretty good idea how complete the massacre was.

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[niktemadur]

When the T1000 shattered, I thought: "Why don't they run and grab as many frozen pieces as they can then throw them in the vat, instead of hugging each other?" I mean, Sarah Connor's been through this before, she should know a LOT better, and the T800 is no slouch, either.

As for film continuity, it would have been clever to have the rest of the finale with a shorter, hence diminished, T1000. It would have been both humorous and more suspenseful, since the T800 and T1000 would have been more evenly matched.

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[soft_guy]

Irritating Yoda is. Backwards talking I hate. Sucks the movie does.

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[delong]

Jedi apparently have a bit of future sense

Didn't save em from getting knifed in the back by a bunch of stormtroopers, did it? Prescience, what's it good for? :)

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[LDoggg_]

What became of the relic?
I read a few books after that one and never did hear of anything happening with it. Though it was a few years ago.

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[Simon Garlick]

In the novelization -- FAR better than the movie, btw -- Yoda realises during his battle with Palpatine that not only is he not going to win, but that he and the Jedi are UNABLE to win. Palpatine is just more powerful. Yoda wakes up to the fact that the Sith have been studying the Jedi and plotting and sharpening their skills for thousands of years while the Jedi have pretty much been navel-gazing and getting soft. That's why he flees and goes into hiding. It's pretty much "back to the drawing board".

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[IchBinEinPenguin]

Yoda is still a crybaby.
He looses his cloak while fighting the emporer and decides that he better go hide.
Anakin looses his ARMS AND LEGS and still goes on fighting!

As for the hiding places they found for the twins (the twins were a surprise? ever heard of an ultrasound?).... Anakins step-family and one of the rebel leaders. Great thinking, guys!

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[Jaruzel]

the greatest omission of the 1/2/3 trilogy is what happened in between 2 and 3 when obi wan and anakin were going around pounding on evil throughout the galaxy. now it is implicated that anakin saved obi wan's life many times, but you also have to guess that there was a lot of cooperative ass-whooping (although nothing is guaranteed).

That's touched upon in the animated Clone Wars series.

On that note, Clone Wars Season 2, was released on DVD in the UK AFTER Episode 3 hit the Cinema, way after. Nice One LucusFilm!

-Jar.

Re:Dagobah

[portscan]

yeah, but the live action stuff is much better. they should have just done away with episode 1 (or significantly shortened it--there was about 30 minutes of useful stuff in there) and made movies of 2, 3 and the clone wars. when i heard they were making 1/2/3, i was expecting the bulk of it to be about the clone wars, not the lame-o story of anakin as a kid and awkward courter of padme.

star wars fans would totally be down with 3 3+ hour movies (a la Lord of the Rings) with tons of badass jedi action. oh well...what could have been.

To this I say so what.

[Kenja]

The odds of these "missing" scenes making a bad movie good are slim to not. I have enough beer coasters and dont need to pay 50$ for another.

Re:To this I say so what.

[puppetman]

I agree. It's a money making ploy decided in the editing room. Next Christmas, we'll see a box set of digitally re-mastered, with more scenes, and some pseudo documentary.

Quite frankly, I have no interest in these movies. Serenity/Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Rome, and Lost are way more appealing.

Re:To this I say so what.

[gowen]

Next Christmas, we'll see a box set of digitally re-mastered, with more scenes, and some pseudo documentary.

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:To this I say so what.

[Jamu]

I'm guessing one of the missing scenes doesn't have Jar Jar Binks being Force-choked by Death Vader then.

Re:To this I say so what.

[Anonymous Brave Guy]

Next Christmas, we'll see a box set of digitally re-mastered, with more scenes, and some pseudo documentary.

Pushing their luck, that would be.

Everyone knows this is the last one, and everyone knows there's going to be a box set of episodes I-III. The first film was nothing special (though I didn't find it as offensive as some die-hard fans did), the second was a modest improvement, and the third was (IMHO) a much better film. While additional scenes that were only cut for timing purposes in the cinematic version might be interesting to see, I imagine I'll buy the first serious box set, and then ignore everything afterwards, no matter how much "better" the "extras" are.

As you say, we've been blessed with a fair bit of good sci-fi/fantasy stuff recently. I've been pleased with several DVD box sets of good shows that I've bought in recent months, and with those I typically get a whole series of 20 or so episodes to watch, for a comparable price to a three-film set. I like the Star Wars series, but I'm hardly going to spend money on a second box set later that's almost the same as what I've got when I could be buying the next series of BSG, or just watching the next series of Dr Who on old-fashioned TV for free.

Re:To this I say so what.

[Anonymous Coward]

$50??

I'll sell you some DVDs for only $47 each!

Re:To this I say so what.

[ArsonSmith]

I don't know perhaps they could plop these missing scenes into The Notebook or something similar and make it a good movie.

On second thought you're probably right.

Re:To this I say so what.

[bleckywelcky]

You know, when I saw this story, I initially thought "Cool, deleted scenes!"

But then I went on and thought "Wait, did I see episode III?"

And I continued thinking ... "Of course I saw episode III, I've seen all the Star Wars movies, it would be weird if I hadn't seen them."

But then I headed into the comments, and people were talking about Yoda being exiled and I was like "Wtf? I don't remember that."

Then it dawned on me ... "Oh yeh, I didn't see episode III because it looked like it sucked beforehand. And then afterwards, everybody said it sucked. So I just kinda forgot to see it."

And so I posted this comment then closed the Firefox window because I don't care about a sucky movie on DVD.

That, or I'll just borrow it from a friend once they get it as a birthday gift from that crazy aunt that said "Look, there's a movie called Star Wars, I'm sure Jimmy will love this, he is always into these kinds of things."

Re:To this I say so what.

[bleckywelcky]

On a side note, has anyone else notice that the "Submit" and "Preview" buttons for posting comments have switched since the Slashdot upgrade? I didn't notice it initially, but twice now I have hit submit when I meant to hit preview. And it happens because I'm not actually reading the text on the button, but just remembering that left button = submit, right button = preview. Kinda pisses me off, because I've submitting two comments so far that were not finished. The parent comment and another one.

Lesson to companies and everyone: when you have a f'king user interface in place for 8 years (9? 10?), don't just randomly switch shit around because you feel like it works better this new way. Everyone is used to the old format, just leave it the hell alone.

Re:To this I say so what.

[soft_guy]

A stranger's home movies are more appealing.

Re:To this I say so what.

[hkmwbz]

"Oh yeh, I didn't see episode III because it looked like it sucked beforehand. And then afterwards, everybody said it sucked. So I just kinda forgot to see it."

Episode 3 was far better than 1 and 2. Not perfect by any means, but a decent end to the Star Wars dual trilogy.

Re:/.'d already

[Anonymous Coward]

can someone leak a fix to the slashdot problem ?

AICN has several pictures.

[fireduck]

Aint it cool news had this story yesterday or the day before. They've got several pictures here.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[rob_squared]

I sometimes wonder if they don't purposefully create scenes with the intent of only putting them into a DVD release to entice people to buy them.

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[trezor]

Nooooooooo!

You think?

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[(A)*(B)!0_-]

You are still wondering about that? Are you still up in the air over the whole 'the Earth is round' thing too?

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[Ropati]

I'm sure the scenes are intentionally shot and shelved for future product enhancements, but I still have my doubts about this man on the moon thing.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[Sycraft-fu]

Perhaps sometimes, but I wouldn't say usually. Generally, it's better to go in to editing heavy rather than light. It's much easier to edit out a scene than to go and do a reshoot, especially for complex scenes. Also many times there's something that you think is really cool, and is really cool as a scene (like Gervious killing a Jedi) that you realise just doesn't work with the movie as a whole for pacing or flow reasons. There's always the censors to consider as well.

What I think they do sometimes is fully produce a scene for a DVD that wouldn't have been otherwise, but I doubt the scene is a pure creation just for the DVD. Sometimes they don't produce them, either. Check out the Chronicles of Riddick DVD some times (not the greatest movie, but it's still entertaining). They have several deleted scenes where you see previs renderings, lack music, etc. They gave you the footage as is, and didn't bother to fully produce it since it never made the movie. Other footage, they did produce but had to be cut, and is reinserted if you choose to watch the director's cut.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[gid]

Dang, I guess no Bai Ling scenes are included. I still wonder how in the heck she was supposed to fit into the story.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[OneFix at Work]

You're kind of right...this doesn't happen as much in writing or pre-production as it does when the film is being edited. Directors are much more likely to cut a segment from the theatrical release because they know that they can still include it in the deleted scenes. Advancements in technology also allow for scenes to be recorded that would never have been recorded before...mostly because they were not likely to make it into the final cut.

So, there's noone really siting there writing material to specifically be put into deleted scenes...but, the fact that they simply exist makes it a higher probability that it will end up in deleted scenes.

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[Have Blue]

Depends on what you mean by "create". Usually when a scene is cut from a movie it happens before the scene in question is 100% complete. Early DVD special editions included deleted scenes in exactly this form, sometimes without dialog, sound, or visual effects. Lately, though, studios have gotten into the habit of taking scenes slated for DVD-extrahood and adding these missing elements to bring them up to the quality of the film itself. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the keep/cut decision has been expanded to keep/cut/put it on the DVD, but if you're suggesting that scenes are being filmed with no intention of ever inserting them in the movie from day 1, I don't think they've gone that far yet. When DVD-only content is created, there's no reason to pretend it was ever meant to be part of the film (except when it's meant as a joke, like the "deleted scenes" on the HHGTTG disk).

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[waamaral]

How wude!

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[crutchman]

Hmmm....LOTR comes to mind.....You don't accidentally film several extra hours of footage with production costs for a movie like that being so high. You make regular releases, special releases and EXTRA-special releases of your DVD's and you manage to get some % of true fans out there to buy all of them, just because they "must have" all of the versions.

In addition to that, you get all of the people who want to see it on the big screen, then they have to go rent/buy the DVD to see the scenes they didn't see, thereby enlarging your DVD audience to include a much higher % of those who went and saw the movie when it was released.

I guess it could be worse. I mean, I guess a movie from decades ago could be modified as to include the actor who played the same character in the prequal to the movie that was filmed MUCH later. But who would do that?

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[Doctor Faustus]

I wish they had done that in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. I wanted to see the de-gnoming scene.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[Fallingcow]

At least with the LOTR trilogy they were very up-front about what they were going to do with the DVD releases, and didn't seem to be trying to trick anyone.

Thank god for those extended editions, too; that extra footage turned the worst one in the theaters (RotK) into a film that at least tied FotR for "best of the 3" status, and may even be better.

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[sharkey]

...I still have my doubts about this man on the moon thing.

That's no moon...

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[fraudrogic]

Nooooooooo!

You think?

ah..I see....this must be the deleted dialog from the Vader cryout scene.

Vader (whining/breathing/jamesEarlJonesish): "Where's Padme?"
Emporer: Uh..you snapped her neck dude...she's dead...
Vader (screaming): NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You think?

Re:AICN has several pictures.

[patternjuggler]

I sometimes wonder if they don't purposefully create scenes with the intent of only putting them into a DVD release to entice people to buy them.

I think there's more back-and-forth interaction between directors, producers, studios and etc. during the creation of movie. There is no monolithic 'they' who has a complete vision of a film prior to filming along with the authority to make it happen (though George Lucas may be an exception), and who knows before a scene is shot what works and what doesn't. If you were making a movie, and the studio said they didn't want a certain scene in the script, you might be able to convince them to spend the money to shoot it anyway so it would be a cool dvd extra- and then perhaps once having shot it you can change there minds and actually get it into the movie. Before dvds, the scene would have never been shot.

would be happy to have a look.

[in-tech]

i would really be happy to have a look of those deleted version. but i wonder wouldnt it hamper the good flow of the movie if i did. however i will try.

Re:would be happy to have a look.

[karnal]

Congratulations! You win the Most Useless Non-Troll Slashdot Comment AWARD for the day!

jeeesh.

Re:would be happy to have a look.

[krumms]

i would really be happy to have a look of those deleted version. but i wonder wouldnt it hamper the good flow of the movie if i did. however i will try.

do, or do not. there is no "try". :P

Meh....

[CharAznable]

Sure, EpIII ended the series with a modicum of dignity that was absent from I and II, but with Serenity coming out tonight, I'm disinclined to get excited about Star Wars anymore. Joss Whedon is my master now.

Re:Meh....

[EmperorKagato]

Why do you think Cowboy Bebop is the first?

Re:Meh....

[LithiumX]

I can understand people being upset over Ep III not meeting our near-impossible expectations (I wanted more Vader action, dammit!), I don't understand how people can compare Ep III disfavorably to things like Firefly (fairly cool movie, but not exactly one of the better sci-fi's made recently) and Battlestar Galactica (which I can't even understand how that show keeps it's viewers - take away the special effects and it's not even interesting).

Ep III is not what I started hoping for back when I was a midget struggling my way through a Starlog that I could barely read yet, but I'm pretty sure Ep III will be a movie for the next generation, while a lot of the current crop of "popular this year" movies won't be.

If you haven't seen Firefly yet (it's currently in previews), I was initially ready to blast it but it's honestly a fairly decent sci-fi, even if you're not into Whedon's work (which I am not). While it's sort of pop-scifi-ish, and seems built primarily around quips and oneliners, it's blessed with one of the very best villians I have seen in years. He's not quite Khan or Zod level, but as far as sci-fi goes he can hold his own in any evil-pissing contest.

Re:Meh....

[AKAImBatman]

I'm sorry, you think Cowboy Bebop was the first? Someone else mentioned Outlaw Star. Neither one is even close. The whole lot of you need to rewind to AT LEAST 1986.

Have you all forgotten Galaxy Rangers?

Somewhere in the future
Far away from here
Trouble is waiting
On the last frontier
 
Into these worlds of unknown danger they ride
They're the Galaxy Rangers
Heroes in the sky
 
No Guts No Glory!

A year later, the cartoon BraveStarr was released. I don't know if there was anything earlier, but it wouldn't surprise me. Kids growing up in the 50's and 60's had two competing loves: Cowboys and Spaceships. It was only natural that someone would combine them eventually.

Re:Meh....

[sgtrock]

Don't forget "Outland" starring Sean Connery. A sci-fi remake of the classic 1952 western "High Noon" starring Gary Cooper. Released in 1981.

Or "Battle Beyond the Stars" starring Richard Thomas, John Sayle, George Peppard, and others. That came out in 1980.

While we're at it, let's not forget silly pirate movie remakes like "The Ice Pirates" (1984) starring Robert Urich and Mary Crosby. ;)

Cowboy Bebop is a latecomer! :)

Re:Meh....

[CharAznable]

Granted, the concept is fairly obvious, just like samurais in space, ninjas in space, pirates in space or whatever. But the concept is not the whole point. If they had put the same characters, with the same dialog and same character development in a completely different setting, it still would have been as good. It's the writing that I find top notch, which is what the original Star Wars had which the prequel trilogy doesn't.

Re:Meh....

[AKAImBatman]

Ok, so none of those were exactly the most memorable films. But still, it makes the point exquisitely. Anyone who thinks that Firefly is a ripoff of anything needs his head checked. This "genre" (really just a combination of two genres) has been around forever.

Re:Meh....

[AKAImBatman]

It gets a LOT better after that. If you haven't seen episodes like "Our Mrs. Reynolds" (Best ever!), "Out of Gas", or the original pilot, you have no idea what this show is about. "The Train Job" was a real hackjob, having to be written and filmed at the last minute because Fox thought that the pilot didn't have enough action. (Shades of Star Trek?) The only redeeming feature of this episode was when Reynolds kicked the guy into the engine.

The second episode "Bushwhacked", was probably also done as a hackjob. The original pilot had them outrunning Reavers, so this episode was obvious created or reworked to explain who the Reavers were.

One more episode, and I think you would have fallen in love with the series. :-)

Re:Meh....

[Pope]

Did it ever occur to you that it might get better as it went along? It's an incredibly rare TV show that gets everything perfect in the first few episodes or even the first season, especially in a genre setting where there's a lot of pressure to not be TOO out there and different as you're trying to build an audience.

Re:Meh....

[jedidiah]

Firefly didn't last that long. It either had to be great from the beginning or none of this mindless drooling by the fanboys makes any sense. Also, this notion that a show needs to "get it's sealegs" is just a poor excuse for tolerating mediocrity. We don't expect that of cinema, why should small screen directors get off the hook?

Re:Meh....

[TyfStar]

I happened to be sick during the entire Firefly showing on SciFi... so I can now say I've seen about every episode.. with a few missing some parts as I lost consciousness.

I'll say this about Joss Whedon: He is a marvellous writer. Some of the lines in that are absolutely perfect.. just as they were in Buffy. He is a great writer.

However, Firefly did not & will never catch on because of 2 things:

A) The setting is a little strange. When the popular shows are currently REALITY shows, why did Joss think that this would be so popular right now? Wait a few years for the general public to be absolutely SICK of reality shows.. and Firefly would have been perfect. Far enough from Cowboy Bebop (c'mon, the similarities are one of the reasons I didn't watch Firefly to begin with) to give the sci-fi geeks a little more to hang on to.. and the Buffy watchers a little more giving of the difference.

B) The characters are not as good as they could have been. it's like he's trying to force these character values down your throat instead of just growing into them. Seriously.. at least Cowboy Bebop made me absolutely adore the characters. Even on Buffy, The characters were obvious but their delicacies weren't always shoved down your throat. I don't need all the other characters commenting on the captains secrecy every other line!!

Anyway... back to the topic at hand..
Yes, Serenity is definitely getting my $7 LONG before any SW movie will.

Re:Meh....

[Geoffreyerffoeg]

I'm disinclined to get excited about Star Wars anymore.

You're disinclined to acquiesce to their franchise? ...whoops, wrong genre, sorry.

Re:Meh....

[LithiumX]

I've got a fever... and the only perscription... is more cowbell!

curse my metal body

[enrico_suave]

for being too slow...

Re:curse my metal body

[raygundan]

You also weren't fast enough.

Oh Dear

[Anonymous Coward]

The finished thing was bad enough, why would I want to see what they left out?

Re:Oh Dear

[Khomar]

While I agree with your post (and the Funny moderation), I found the deleted scenes in Episode II rather interesting. After watching the additional scenes between Amidala and Anakin (deleted), I began to understand their relationship a little more, and it almost started to make a little more sense. I then realized that George Lucas and company had actually taken out most of the character development and heart and left us with action, action, action. They said as much in the commentary between takes, and it became glaringly obvious that they did not really understand how to tell a good story (let alone develop a good romance). I am not saying that the deleted scenes were "great", but they would have helped make the story stronger by helping you care for the characters.

Now would the deleted scenes have actually made it a better movie (a very difficult task)? At least I would have had a little easier time buying the relationship between a successful, mature, older woman and a young, impulsive, whiny brat (a little more maturity came out for Anakin in the deleted scenes -- you caught a few more glimpses of why she might actually fall for him). Unfortunately, I don't see any additional footage helping with Revenge of the Sith. It had enough problems with what was there that could not be fixed by adding new material (why oh why did Obi Wan not just use the force to clear off the droids poking holes in his ship?... why oh why did the enemy not just use warheads in the tips of their missles?... why oh why couldn't they have hired a good screenplay writer? etc.).

Re:Oh Dear

[hrm]

why oh why did Obi Wan not just use the force to clear off the droids poking holes in his ship?

You mean that part where R2 does some completely ineffective shit that holds up the movie for what feels like 5 minutes?

I've come to refer to those scenes like "R2 moments": George feeling the urge to insert yet another not-quite-funny cute-as-in-annoying R2 action that completely jerks you out of the already miserably hard to get into suspension of disbelief.

I once could point you to a number of other R2 moments in Eps 1-3, but I've deleted them from my mind.

Re:Oh Dear

[psavo]

... why would I want to see what they left out?

Umm.. because they left all the good stuff out?

Re:Oh Dear

[sasdrtx]

Maybe the parts they left out would make the story make some sense.

Naah.

Re:Oh Dear

[Khomar]

I agree completely with you, but I was actually referring to the part in the first combat scene where droids land on Obi-wan's fighter (why not just blow up his ship) and start poking holes in his ship. With a simple wave of his hand, he could have sent all of those droids sailing into space, but instead Anakin swooped down his fighter and knocked the droids off with his wing.

R2D2 was very annoying throughout these opening sequences too (although not quite as completely pointless and annoying as C3P0 throughout the prequels). And what happened to his rockets in the episodes 4-6 anyway?! He took a serious step backwards in his capabilities in the next movie. It might have been better if both R2D2 and C3P0 had simply sat out on these movies.

Re:Oh Dear

[hrm]

That whole R2 / C3PO stuff in the prequels stank to high heaven.

For example, near the end Lucas had a good chance to add some serious tear-jerking by having R2 and C3PO voluntarily erase their memories to protect the newborn twins. Makes sense, no? Could be a very moving moment, no? Not a dry hanky in the cinema, yes?

Instead there's some dude that says to some other dude something like "oh, dude, could you take out the trash and while you're at it delete them droids" and end credits roll.

Dispatched Jedi Knight?

[GecKo213]

I saw many Jedi Knights dispatched as Episode II ended. It would have been fun to watch the robot trash on a Jedi though.

Re:Dispatched Jedi Knight?

[theblueprint]

It would have been fun to watch the robot trash on a Jedi though.

General Grevious was definitely my favorite character in the new trillogy. Sadly, the movie doesn't do him justice.

Check out this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 BCE8Q4/qid=1128014938/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-1063 513-3388839?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846/ if you'd like to see the General at full strength (no cough) taking it to a group of Jedi.

Re:Dispatched Jedi Knight?

[Ben Newman]

It's a real shape that that Clone Wars wasn't more widely available before Episode 3 came out, as I think it's required viewing to really get the full enjoyment out of the movie. All of Grevious's character development was in it, and he comes off as a real bad ass. The foreshodowing of Anni's fall was also very nicely done. Hell, I think it's better then all 3 of the movies. The animation style kept the action very tightly focused, and the fights felt a lot more personal because of it. None of the wall of digital effects slamming into you to distract you that Lucas seems so fond of.

Obligatory SW joke...

[William_Lee]

Those aren't the scenes you're looking for...

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[GecKo213]

What are you looking for? Ahhh, you want the scenes where Luke and Leah are "conceived"?

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[AndyG314]

Hehe, if I had mod points today, I'd bump you

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[dr_dank]

I'd rather see the scene where a young Ensign Akbar struggles to succinctly describe a confining or undesirable circumstance from which escape or relief is difficult.

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[Fishstick]

Eww, noooo! My eyes!

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[grammar fascist]

I'd rather see the scene where a young Ensign Akbar struggles to succinctly describe a confining or undesirable circumstance from which escape or relief is difficult.

For you unfortunate slow people:

IT'S A TRAP!

Re:Obligatory SW joke...

[waamaral]

Those ain't the scenes I'm looking for...

Milking Star Wars

[gr8_phk]

"Episode III comes out on DVD November 1st"

And then look for:
Episode 1-3 boxed set.
The complete collection on DVD (1-6)
Episode 4 on HD-DVD
Episode 4-6 on HD-DVD
Episode 1-3 on HD-DVD
The boxed full set 1-6 on HD-DVD

Way to milk it George!!!

Re:Milking Star Wars

[DiRTyBuNNy]

if the well isn't dry yet...might as well go for a few more buckets...

Re:Milking Star Wars

[rovingeyes]

OK George you don't have to be an anon to defend yourself. We forgive you. Now tell me is a Blue Ray and UMD edition in the pipes too?

Re:Milking Star Wars

[The Lynxpro]

"Episode 4 on HD-DVD Episode 4-6 on HD-DVD Episode 1-3 on HD-DVD
The boxed full set 1-6 on HD-DVD Way to milk it George!!!"

Except 20th Century Fox Home Video is committed to Blu-Ray and thus your prediction is incorrect. Furthermore, all the studios release multiple versions of films to "double dip". Its not a George Lucas exclusive. And unlike most of Hollywood, George reinvests his monies into advancing the whole industry with pioneering technology. He did it with ILM, THX, Pixar, and now digitally projected cinema. So again, your criticism - in a weak attempt at humor - is a distortion. Grow up and get out of your mom's basement.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[countb]

Nah, George prefers Blu-Ray.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[B11]

You forgot the re-re-release where Wookie is changed to "hair challenged animal" and the entire cast is digitally replaced with Ewoks.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[clontzman]

Number of versions of Star Wars released on DVD: 1.

Number of versions of Evil Dead 2 released on DVD: 4? 5? 6? Another new one just came out with yet another screaming rubber cover.

Ratio of "George Lucas milks it" to "Sam Raimi milks it" posts on /.: 3,720 to 1

Re:Milking Star Wars

[E8086]

Don't forget Episode 2.5, Clone Wars pts 1&2. Total running time is close to average movie time, about 2.5hrs.

I'll stick to buying them individually, Episodes 1 and 2 doesn't deserve to be in a set with the original trilogy.
What I would like to see is a complete soundtrack, enough with the half dozen versions of the original trilogy, each with its own unique track or two. So far there seems to be one edition for each of the newer trilogy.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[F_Scentura]

Lucas has a MUCH tighter grip of his product than Raimi. I doubt that Raimi had the clout to properly negotiate at that point in his career.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[nelsonal]

While studios are similar to record companies in negotiations with young directors, Sam Raimi should have plenty of clout after delivering two of the only bright spots of the last two summer dim summer blockbuster seasons. You are correct that Lucas has extrodinary control over Star Wars.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[gr8_phk]

"Except 20th Century Fox Home Video is committed to Blu-Ray and thus your prediction is incorrect. Furthermore, all the studios release multiple versions of films to "double dip". Its not a George Lucas exclusive. And unlike most of Hollywood, George reinvests his monies into advancing the whole industry with pioneering technology. He did it with ILM, THX, Pixar, and now digitally projected cinema. So again, your criticism - in a weak attempt at humor - is a distortion. Grow up and get out of your mom's basement."

OK, so I should have said "Blu-Ray". I never said george was the only one to do this. I didn't say anything about George Lucas personally, or his contributions to the industry. I do not live in my moms basement, I have a nice finnished one under my own house. My comments were not a distortion - there have been a lot of Star Wars releases. It seems the only thing relevant about your post was the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray part. Thanks for the information, now we can add six or eight more Star Wars releases to my list to cover both new formats.

Bah. fanboys...

Re:Milking Star Wars

[fallen1]

Ratio of "George Lucas milks it" to "Sam Raimi milks it" posts on /.: 3,720 to 1

Umm, isn't this the same ratio for successfully navigating an asteroid field? Thought so... and I thought I had already told you:

NEVER tell me the odds!

;-)

Re:Milking Star Wars

[Eggz Factor]

You forgot the 3-D versions. George went on record awhil eback saiying that this was possible and he would like to re-release the entire set of films in 3-D.
UGH.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[The Lynxpro]

"George Lucas fanboy tells someone to grow up and get out of their Mom's basement?"

No, I was making a point. The profits off his movies do not go up his nose.

I also find it amusing that everyone criticizing my post do not even have the courage to do it while logged in with their Slashdot user names. Cowards, basement dwellers, etc.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[The Lynxpro]

"My comments were not a distortion - there have been a lot of Star Wars releases."

So? How many times has Disney released their films? How many times has the Wizard of Oz been released? How many times on DVD has the Evil Dead Trilogy been released? Your comment tried to imply that there's something wrong about Lucas releasing his films and thus is gouging the public and his fan base. You know, I was around when the original trilogy was released on VHS. There was not a large outcry for widescreen presentation on that format at the time. So it was released fullframe. THX was not completed when the original Star Wars film was released. The soundtracks were redone and certified for THX presentation. Thus the home version became THX certified which went along with THX equipment being released to the home market. After that, widescreen presentation took off on VHS (after having been rather popular on the unpopular-in-America LaserDisc format), so they were released in widescreen format.

That's not bilking. That's giving the consumer what they wanted.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[StikyPad]

Bad example.. ratio of "Evil Dead 2" earnings to "Star Wars Episode 3" earnings: 1 to 3,720.

There's milking, and then there's trying to break even.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[IAmNotACowboy]

Grow up and get out of your mom's basement.

you are *such* an insensitive clod! ever stop to think that maybe he lives in florida and doesn't have a basement. maybe he lives in his mom's attic. jeez, some people.

Re:Milking Star Wars

[Capt James McCarthy]

Ratio of "George Lucas milks it" to "Sam Raimi milks it" posts on /.: 3,720 to 1

Sacrilege!

Not even?!

[75th Trombone]

Quoth the article:

one that depicts General Grievous actually dispatching a Jedi Knight (something we didn't even see in the theatrical release)

Wow, something in a deleted scene NOT EVEN BEING in the theatrical release? Shock! Amaze! Mystify!

Re:Not even?!

[75th Trombone]

s/article/story

Re:Not even?!

[hahiss]

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll fix that when the post the dupe tomorrow.

Re:Not even?!

['nother poster]

Here, I'll explain it for you. In the movie General Grievous comments that he is going to add Obi-Wan and Anakins light sabres to the collection he has from the other jedi he has killed, but nowhere in the movies is Grievous shown killing a jedi. Therefore Grievous is not ever shown killing a jedi which he must have done to get a collection of jedi light sabres. OK? With it so far? The collection consisted of more than one light sabre which is all he would have obtained from the deleted scene, so... we don't get to see him off any of the other jedi either.

So the OP was commenting that they deleted the only scene filmed that pertained to an action that must have happened several times in the storyline for Grievous to have a collection of jedi light sabres.

Re:Not even?!

[E8086]

He kills several Jedi and padawans in the Clone Wars. His original collection may have come from picking up the pieces from the fight scene at the end of Attack of the Clones. If there were going to be any deleted scenes with Grievous killing more Jedi they would be in Clone Wars v1, but there are no released deleted scenes.
Can't leave out the super extended editions to be slowly released over the next 30yrs and finished off with the 30+ disk Super Jedi Extended Edition Box Set. With the extra limited edition box in the shape of the Death Star, think TNG Borg Cube set, only rounder.

This isn't your father's trilogy..

[Gopal.V]

Prophetic this - Not Your Father's Trilogy.

Also does anyone remember the South Park spoof of it where they show the first episode with defender robots walking around..

Our CEO gave us free tickets, which is the reason why I even watched Episode 3 in a theater - the journal. I didn't like the movie when I saw it on screen, it's very unlikely that these new additions will make it any more palatable.

Now if only he'd give us free tickets for some good movie ... :)

Re:This isn't your father's trilogy..

[treyb]

Our boss at PalmSource bought us tickets to Serenity tomorrow afternoon.

Does that qualify as a good movie?

"We now have a sneak peak"

[nekoniku]

Is that a PEAK in your trousers or are you just happy to get a PEEK at the deleted scenes?

Sigh.

Re:"We now have a sneak peak"

[PunkXRock]

Google Fight! ...And we have a winner.

Re:"We now have a sneak peak"

[nekoniku]

We're doomed, I tell you. Doomed.

Or should I say, "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die?" :)

stupidity...

[Kaptain Kruton]

You say they must have something. I say they lack something.

How appropriate for some people...

[compwizrd]

Firefox has "Slashdot | Episode III Deleted ..." as the tab title.

Re:How appropriate for some people...

[CeramicNuts]

Very appropriate tab title, unlike "Anandtech: your source for hardware anal..."

Re:How appropriate for some people...

[GaryPatterson]

Reminds me of my PC at work, where the number of apps I have open means that in the taskbar my copy of (SQL Server's) Query Analyser is shown as "Query Anal" almost every time.

Wonder if...

[five40kix]

Those N'Snyc boys will make it into a cut scene :-P

yoda's ship in the AICN post

[enrico_suave]

Is it just me or does yoda's ship strangely resemble his head? with the wings being his ears? *shrug*

yoda's ship landing on dagobah

Re:yoda's ship in the AICN post

[bananasfalklands]

And there I was thinking yoda used his old age pensioners bus ticket. 'This is not the dvd your looking for' as they say.

Re:Star Where?

[Cunjo]

They got Slashdotted - what did you expect?

Not every domain has the extraordinary bandwidth needed to accomodate the massive influx of nerds from /.

"Deleted Scenes" Intentionally Filmed?

[Cerdic]

I recall reading a few years back that movie makers were making extra scenes just for the sake of calling them deleted scenes and selling special editions. Considering that Lucas has the Midas touch, I would suspect that some of these weren't cut solely to shrink the film size.

It's underhanded, but its good news for fans - deleted scenes are deleted for a reason, usually that they suck. In this case, they will probably be better than that.

Re:"Deleted Scenes" Intentionally Filmed?

[oneiron]

Most deleted scenes I've seen in good movies don't suck at all. On the contrary, they are often awesome scenes that were cut because the studio forced the director to do it. A few of the most common reasons they do this are running time, political correctness, and subtraction in lieu of alternate hollywood cheese that appeals to large audiences. Sometimes the scene is good, but it doesn't really advance the story actively. I've seen deleted scenes with commentary in which the director was downright pissed that they were forced to remove the scenes (girl next door). I've also seen commentary indicating that scenes were removed to leave the story a little more open ended (donnie darko).

Re:"Deleted Scenes" Intentionally Filmed?

[Skater]

It's true! Ever see the Monsters, Inc. DVD? They've got some great cut scenes AND some bloopers!

Mirror

[Manip]

Link Link Link

Chick in a box!

[jx100]

Shinichiro Watanabe made Outlaw Star?

General Grievous?

[Viper Daimao]

OK, I didnt see the Clone Wars cartoon, so maybe it's answered there, but can anyone tell me why Grievous was coughing the whole time?

Re:General Grievous?

[enrico_suave]

"OK, I didnt see the Clone Wars cartoon, so maybe it's answered there, but can anyone tell me why Grievous was coughing the whole time?"

Sam Jackson... I mean.. Mace Windu force crushed his "ribs"/lungs during Grievous's escape with kidnapping palpy.

e.

Re:General Grievous?

[Gridpoet]

apperently what i heard was right before the scenes you see in the movie he had been in another battle where a Jedi had foce crushed him and it damaged is guts...

or maybe the stink of the movie was overwhelming him...

Re:General Grievous?

[orson_of_fort_worth]

According to the latest issue of Star Wars Insider, which I...uh...borrowed from my little brother, Lucas came up with the idea of Grievous coughing before the Clone Wars cartoon. He wanted to show that there was still some non-robotic aspect to Grievous and that the technology used to keep him alive was less than perfect. (Foreshadowing of Vader's outfit.) They added the Mace Windu incident to Clone Wars as a way of explaining the cough.

Re:General Grievous?

[saddino]

OK, here's the true story behind this enigma:

George Lucas (looking over CGI animator's shoulder): According to my notes, Grevious is supposed to be cold.
Animator: Uh, you mean "cold" as in heartless, right?
GL (consulting notes): Hmm. No he's got a heart. (Tapping on screen with a pencil) It's that red thing here I asked you to put in.
Animator (slightly miffed): OK, then, I suppose I could make him...shiver if that's what you mean by cold (rolls eyes).
GL (scratching beard a la Indy Jones or Mace Windu, his favorite "direction" natch): No, I don't want him to shiver. That might look like a print error. How about a cough?
Animator: Cough. Because he's cold?
GL (looking at notes again): No, I must've meant he had a cold. So yeah, make him cough now and then.
Animator: Right. Anything else?
GL (hit by a sudden attack of Narcolepsy): Zzzzzzz.

Re:General Grievous?

[jafac]

What cough? The fucker had no lungs. Just a brain, eyes, and heart. No lungs, no cough.

Re:General Grievous?

[Ubergrendle]

Damn I hate to do this..but... i can't subvert my geek curiosity any further.

Isn't the force-crush a dark-side trick? A la Darth Vader in Star Wars?

Lightning, force crush, ability to dress only in black = dark side
Ability to confuse, telekentics, future sense, bad names = light side

Re:General Grievous?

[Justin205]

Crushing is a telekinetic skill. It's just the application of pushing and pulling in the right places at the right times.

And then there's also the theory implied by some SW novels that force powers aren't really inherently good or bad, only the way they are used is good/bad. Of course some (such as lightning) are harder to find 'good' applications for. And, as noted in the Thrawn trilogy (by Zahn), the confusion you note as a "light" power, could be used for evil (Luke uses it to confuse and even control the minds of TIE pilots, and he feels as if it's a 'dark' use of the power).

So really it seems to depend on how it's used, not what it is.

Re:General Grievous?

[fwitness]

The truth, as I recall, was that someone was coughing during the audio takes for the Grievous scenes, which only showed up on review. Lucas however liked the idea, made the machine seem more real or sumsuch and edited it in. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Anyone that could back me up here is much appreciated.

It doesn't matter, because on the DVD he doesn't cough, and actually Grevious is bohemian-bot, the arch-nemesis of all protocol droids. I swear. I read it on the intar-web.

Re:Opinion:

[Red Flayer]

"The acting was so bad in the third I was embarrassed to even be watching it"

I don't think the acting was any better in Episodes 4-6.

The difference was that we were not yet jaded by the setting and story.

What Lucas seemingly failed to realize is that since Return of the Jedi, others have done similar sci-fi movies and stories better. Lucas failed to leap past these other movies, and instead made movies only marginally better than Ep 4-6. Since we expect better movies, in general, we were majorly disappointed.

Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[Name Anonymous]

The odds of these "missing" scenes making a bad movie good are slim to not.

I can think of at least two cases where the director's cut of a movie made the movie much much better and in both cases it added length ot the movies. "Star Trek The Motion Picture" and "The Abyss".

In a lot of cases, the directors cut just makes a good movie a bit better. Peter Jackson did the director's cut of "The Lord of the Rings" right.

Of course a director's cut can foul up a movie as well.

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[SpryGuy]

Of course a director's cut can foul up a movie as well.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind comes to mind. I always liked the original version a lot better.

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[LocoMan]

IIRC Peter Jackson said in an interview that the director's cut of the LOTR movies was the theatrical ones, which is why he called the other ones "extendeds". A director's cut is a movie exactly how the director wanted it, and then usually stuff are cut out for censure, lenght, confused screening audiences and the like. In LOTR case, according to Peter Jackson at least, are exactly how he wanted them in the theatrical versions, and then he added the extra parts as something extra for the book fans, but he cutted in the first place because it hurted the flow of the movie. IMHO there are a couple of things in the extendeds that should have been in the theatricals, though... like for example when Gandalf tells Frodo about Smeagol... since in Two Towers Frodo already knows about it but is never shown when he heard the name in the theatrical of Fellowship.

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[cybpunks3]

He said that for marketing reasons. I don't think he was being sincere.

I don't think he realized what the running time was going to have to be on these movies until he had to force them to a certain length to please the studio.

Remember that the studio originally just wanted one or two movies, not three. So he had to push just to get them to their current theatrical length.

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[niktemadur]

Here's a few other movies made better by additional scenes:

1. Blade Runner
2. Apocalypse Now
3. The Godfather I and II
4. Donnie Darko
5. The Wild Bunch
  Honorable Mention: I have to say that the digitally enhanced THX-1138 turns it from a cult classic into a straightforward classic.

There's gotta be more, I can't think of them right now.

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[nwbvt]

" He said that for marketing reasons. I don't think he was being sincere."

Why? How would it make economical sense to play down the expensive, new version of the movie that the studio is about to put out and make a fortune off of?

When I want the entire story, I read the books. When I want an entertaining movie, I watch the movies. The deleted scenes just broke up the flow of the movie, and in many places went against the book (like the ten minute flashback with Boromir and Faramir that portrayed younger brother in a completely different characterization as the book).

Re:Sometimes the deleted scenes do fix a movie.

[nwbvt]

Blade Runner was certainly better as a director's cut, but not because of additional scenes. It was because they took stuff out, like the annoying voiceover or the crappy happy ending. The 5 second scene with the unicorn (as far as I know the only new scene) didn't do much more than to reopen the debate on whether or not Deckard was a replicant.

Yoda's arrival

[Anonymous Coward]

and Yoda's arrival at the swamp planet of Dagobah

"Fire my real estate agent, I will"

Another site with the images

[mustangdavis]

Clicky

Is /. Liable?

[RingDev]

With the Grokster presidence discussed here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/29/16 5213&tid=187&tid=123&tid=95

And the 8 people indited on distributing the movie here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/28/17 52209&tid=123&tid=101

What kind of liability does that put on /. for posting links/advertising copyrighted material?

On a side note, I hope the site stays up till tonight so I can grab the files at home.

-Rick

Did you notice this?

[lawpoop]

There is a SCENE with YODA LANDING ON DEGOBAH -- in case you are still in shock, let me repeat, YODA LANDS ON DEGOBAH. We actually get to see his spaceship LAND ON DEGOBAH. This is like the final strand in an enormous tapestry. I can't believe this whole thing has come to fruition. In case there was any doubt, we find out how it comes to pass that Yoda lives on Degobah -- he LANDS IN A SPACESHIP. It's like we finally get the ancient family history of our collective psyche. When we were 5 years old and wondering how that little green imp came to live in that swamp, and now we finally SEE THE SHIP LAND.

Re:Did you notice this?

[nine-times]

So, you're saying he doesn't walk? Eh, I don't buy it. It seems a little... far fetched. Maybe lucas will correct it in the super-ultra-special edition, wherein we find that Yoda learned to teleport by talking to dead Jedis, which is how the Jedi's bodies "disappear" when they "die". Eventually, Yoda will be having a lightsaber fight in the background of every scene, which was what Lucas really envisioned in the first place.

old n' busted : pirates -- ninjas are future-proof

[Thud457]

Yes, but what is the impact of global warming upon the global ninja population?

Funny? you mean insightful...

[zippthorne]

I'm convinced that the reason Lucas hasn't released the original trilogy is because that's the one that everyone really wants: he can get us to buy all the touched up versions for a while then release the original unre-edited version and everyone will buy all of the episodes all over again. If he goes the other way there'd be less rebuying: "well I've already got a version, why do I need this new version where greedo couldn't hit a barn door with his pistol touching the door."

since that version is not available on DVD, people will have to "make do" with the versions that are. I don't think he came up with this plan until after the first re-release (which was before the laserdisk contract ran out IIRC)

Of course, he might not ever release the originals and really milk it with improved versions. Let me be the ten-thousanth to say, "I'm not buying another episode until the originals are released on DVD" and probably not really mean it.

Spoiler!

[NeuroManson]

At least 2 hours of deleted footage is of the Jedi Counsel turning Jar Jar into Gungan sashimi.

Yes, someone had to say it.

Re:Spoiler!

[MonkeyCookie]

Whatever happened to Jar-Jar? I was kinda hoping that Anakin would slice and dice him during his rampage, but the fate of Jar-Jar remained unknown.

Leaked scenes from the DVD?

[Jugalator]

Hmm, if they found their way to a random site, the warezed retail DVD can't be far away then...

Scenes Leaked

[Nom du Keyboard]

1: Scenes leaked.
2: Lawsuits follow.
3: Profit (for lawyers).

well, the jedi death was half-expected...

[acroyear]

...to anybody who saw Clone Wars season 2 on cartoon network. She was left captured and you know they were coming to get her, but it ended there.

other scenes were leaked to anybody who either read the novelization or the comic adaptation, just like with every SW film up 'til now. (i.e., in Empire, the sequence where C-3PO removed the "beware" sticker on the door so the troops could get pummled by wampas; in SW where luke and biggs are watching the battle from the planet surface; there's more...).

Re:well, the jedi death was half-expected...

[Norfair]

well, to be pedantic about it, she was rescued by the other jedi.

Re:well, the jedi death was half-expected...

[acroyear]

sorry -- forgot that bit...haven't seen it since the CN marathon viewing a while back.

seems a bit daft of lucas to go and put out SW3 on dvd without putting out this prequel first.

The Deleted Scene(s) I Want

[Nom du Keyboard]

The deleted scenes I want are those featuring Koo Stark in the original SW. That's one attractive woman!

Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Deleted

[popo]

True geeks know (as later related by Timothy Zahn) that Yoda actually arrived on Dagobah
in pursuit of a dark jedi clone -- whom he fought, and wasted underneath a certain large
tree. That tree retained powerful "echoes of evil" for years afterwards,
and was later used by Yoda to test the resolve of his young padawan "Luke" (in
Episode V).

My theory? This apparent contradiction in plotlines may have been why Lucas
cut the scene of Yoda peacefully arriving on Dagobah.

__________

Judge a man by his wallet

Funny, but I don't think ...

[hummassa]

sex scenes between a monk and a senator would be very "hot".

Not everyone has balls.

[uberjoe]

Takes some balls to do this right after 6 people get arrested for leaking the movie

Or ovaries. It could have been done by girls.

Re:Not everyone has balls.

[ultranova]

Takes some balls to do this right after 6 people get arrested for leaking the movie

Or ovaries. It could have been done by girls.

Or Dragon Balls. I wonder if "I wish that I can infringe on copyrights by both pirating and distributing copyrighted content without ever being caught" would work ?

I care - I hate it.

[Elad Alon]

I care - I hate it. I really, really hate it.

Re:Too bad they didn't delete more of it.

[Fastball]

people will want to complete their "collection"

Yeah, you're probably right. I don't share that urge though. Case in point: The Matrix. I saw none of those movies in the theaters. First time I saw the first one, I had bought it. Blew me away. Rented Reloaded and was sorely disappointed. Didn't bother to buy it instead waiting to see how the third one shook out. Revolutions was a sad end to a terrific beginning.

So now I have The Matrix on my shelf, and none of the others, and I'm happier and ~$40 richer for it. Why buy a movie you don't like just because it follows one you did like?

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[SuiteSisterMary]

Actually, I seem to recall from the Thrawn Trilogy that Yoda already lived on Dagobah when the Dark Jedi showed up. So, it could be worked in that, to help consolidate his rule in the early years, Palpatine cloned off some Jedi, possibly even using materials collected by clone troopers during the mass purges shown in EP 3.

The gun is good! The penis is evil!

[Thud457]

Zardoz!
Yoda == Zed.
Now he just needs some red underoos, and he can go flying around throwing lightsabers out to the barbarians.

Sure he ripped him off

[JudgeFurious]

But honestly now, who hasn't ripped off Shinichiro Watanabe? Plus it's not like he didn't steal anything himself.

  Only steal from the good ones. That's the secret.

None Shall Pass

[Ranger]

They will finally show the extended version of the final fight scene between Anakin and Obi Wan. This slashdot poster got a transcript of the dialogue which starts of with Anakin saying "None shall pass."

Not to mention...

[MS-06FZ]

Not to mention the fact that Grievous never actually defeated anybody in the movie. It was disappointing, he was supposed to be this cyborg badass but all he did was get his ass handed to him by Obi-Wan.

What? Like a snuff film?

[The Evil Couch]

watching those little bastards perform a group suicide wouldn't really be that interesting to me, but I'd still chip in some cash to make it happen.

"Someone has to say it"...

[MS-06FZ]

I agree and all, but do you really think it hasn't been said?

differing opinion?

[JudgeFurious]

Are you kidding? Your post pretty much mirrors the majority of what I see, hear, and read about EpIII these days. You got modded as flamebait but only because you asked for it. The majority of Slashdot agrees with you and if anything your post, in here at least, appears entirely predictable.

  Cheer up! You look like one more barcoded member of the group to me.

Bull

[fm6]

I've only seen one ep of Cowboy Bebop (not my cup of tea), but it struck me as being more film noirish than western. Though there were certainly western elements — or should I say clichés?

Anyway, Whedon denies that Firefly is a "western". It's a standard SF subgenre, about a future where technology has regressed. In this case, the cause of regression is economic: a few rich people have Star Trek technology, but most people live on backward planets with no industry. The only technology they can afford is what they build themselves. Which mostly means reconstructed 19th century stuff. Which makes the story look like a western, but there's a lot more to it than that.

(For comparison, check out S. M. Stirling's Island series, where a small 20th century community is thrown back into the bronze age. They have the knowledge to recreate the 20th century, but before they can do so, they have to work their way up the complicated network of dependent technologies. Which takes more than a single lifetime. Meanwhile, the locals are also interested in this "new learning"...)

In any case, who cares? Did Watanabe take out a patent on the sub-genre? It's just a way of telling a story, and the stories in Bebop and Firefly are about as different as you can imagine.

More StarWars, yeech...

[crovira]

Okay, I will admit my respect for the actors in the original series, (IV to VI) has increased enormously since I to III came out.

They made a silk purse out of a sow's ear (or Lucas' tin ear for dialog.) I also never thought much for his choice of secondary actors. (Thank [name of deity] Jar Jar Binks was never played by a real human actor. That is definitely NOT something I'd want to put on my resume.)

Lucas made some high tech, high priced kid's movies. But I seriously doubt they actually have any 'legs' to go beyond the existing base. They will never be more than a foot note in film history and most of the film students will study THX rather that the Star Wars swill. Now business students are another thing...

Re:More StarWars, yeech...

[dvicci]

Jar Jar *was* played by a real actor, by the name of Ahmed Best (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0078886/). The only CGI (at least for the first film... didn't care enough to check out the second) was the head.

Of course... you didn't actually define "real" in the phrase "real actor"...

Re:Who cares?

[Anita Coney]

Come on. You're being too hard on Lucas. He's made some GREAT art. Howard the Duck. Willow. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. Just to name a few.

Database is down

[Sheepdot]

The database is down, so here are direct links to the images. I'm not hosting these, so sorry if they are slow:

Shaak Ti dies (removed likely due to plot inconsistency with the cartoon network series):
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel1.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel2.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel3.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel5.jpg

Anakin and Obi-Wan escape from Grievous (removed likely due to time constraints):
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel6.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel7.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel8.jpg

Yoda lands on Dagobah (removed likely due to time constraints and plot conflicts with other aspects of the universe):
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel9.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel10.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel11.jpg
http://www.flixnjoystix.com/article_images/MovieNe wsReel/ROTSdel12.jpg

Image mirror..

[Egorn]

Here is AICN's mirror via DT.

Obligatory SW quote

[ajkst1]

"Many Bothans died to bring us this information" Surprised no one said that one yet....

For us a challenge, spelling is

[eagl]

What's a "sneak peak"? Is that the top of a mountain that has something to hide?

Bothans

[mlush]

Many Scenes were deleted bringing you this film... but not enough

Red Dots

[Ark42]

Maybe they edited the clips and removed the single frame which contains the "red dots" pattern flash that they used to watermark the particular copy. A single missing frame from a long running clip would hardly be noticable. Much less noticable then the red dots themselves, to me at least.

Re:Red Dots

[Anonymous Coward]

So, all the MPAA has to do is use a *different* frame for each source, and see which one was cut?

Re:Red Dots

[Ark42]

Just downgrade to 20fps or something, cutting every so many frames, or get two leaked copies and splice in the good frames from ones that have matching frames with red dots only on one copy. I don't think its really possible for this big annoying red dot watermarking idea to be undefeatable.

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[popo]

True. It *does* say though that Yoda preferred to live in close proximity to the site where the dark jedi was killed because the powerful dark-side energy cancelled out Yoda's light-side energy rendering Yoda "invisible" to the emperor. So we know 'why' Yoda lived on Dagobah.

I'm sure it's relevent to someone...

[NeuroManson]

The Pirate Bay has a torrent of the infamous Backstroke of the West, not really deleted footage, of course, but good for total hilarity.

Re:Opinion:

[freeweed]

No, really.

Hayden whathisname is just about the worst actor alive. Watch "Life as a House" to really appreciate this. It's like he's a goth Anakin. Exact same emotional range (whiny brat). Exact same facial expressions (whining). Exact same flat delivery.

He makes Mark Hamill look GOOD, and that's really saying something. At least Luke's whining seems believable.

Quite frankly, I've seen a bit of Portman's other work too, and she's pretty horrific. At least Carrie Fisher could read her lines with a modicum of effort.

Ewan McGregor was about the only talented actor in Eps 1-3 who actually pulled it off, and even he was really blunted. Compare that to Harrison Ford, who did a stellar job considering it's a space opera.

Whole ending was long-winded enough already...

[MS-06FZ]

Can the parent be modded up any further? Please? If not, then "Score: 5, funny" will just have to do... It really sums up a lot of the complaints I had about Ep. 3's ending: it seemed like they dedicated all this time to tying up all the loose ends so the continuity would work. Ep. 3 starts and there's no rebellion, no twins, no Darth Vader mask, no empire, and C-3PO still remembers everything that ever happened to Anakin Skywalker. Then after the duel on the lava farm planet (I can only assume those flying robots were harvesting precious lava to fuel the planet's booming lava lamp industry...) they lay it all out at once. Vader gets cased up, the twins are born and named and the mother promptly dies, we're treated to every insignificant detail showing how they wind up where they wind up, how Yoda winds up going to Dagobah (which is essentially just "Go to Dagobah now, I will.") - all these things which anyone with half a brain could have figured out by connecting the dots between the original movies and the prequels... The only bit that doesn't fit that description is the C-3PO thing, but that was something which didn't fit so they had to stick in an explanation or people would complain... Basically, I feel like the prequels didn't do a whole lot to make themselves fit with the original movies as part of a continuing story - a more sensible prequel strategy would have been for the end of Ep. 3 to lead directly into the opening of Star Wars - but they didn't do it that way so instead they needed to treat us to 15-odd minutes of tying up loose ends...

Re:Whole ending was long-winded enough already...

[LDoggg_]

Well they did manage to leave out the erasing of Owen and Beru's minds so that they didn't remeber C3PO.
And Obi Wan's so that he would call Yoda his teacher instead of QuiGonn.

It could have been dragged out much longer.

Re:Whole ending was long-winded enough already...

[spot35]

Yoda taught Obi Wan how to commune with dead Jedi (aka Qui Gon) so he was his tutor, from a certain point of view.

Threepio was made from the spare parts of other machines so it's likely that Owen and Beru just used Occam's Razor to determine that Threepio couldn't be the same one from years before as he must have been destroyed. This one must be a different one with the same number.

What did get me was that Leia remembered her real mother ("She was beautiful, but very sad...") on Endor. Unless she was a *very* precocious at birth...

Re:Whole ending was long-winded enough already...

[LDoggg_]

Yoda taught Obi Wan how to commune with dead Jedi (aka Qui Gon) so he was his tutor, from a certain point of view.

HEHE. Wish I had the mod points for you.

Threepio was made from the spare parts of other machines so it's likely that Owen and Beru just used Occam's Razor to determine that Threepio couldn't be the same one from years before as he must have been destroyed. This one must be a different one with the same number.

Had always thought that droids kept unique numbers. At least per model. Even if not, they might have remebered R2.

What did get me was that Leia remembered her real mother ("She was beautiful, but very sad...") on Endor. Unless she was a *very* precocious at birth...

That bugged me a little, but padme was sad for a few seconds of Leia's lifetime anyway :)

Re:Whole ending was long-winded enough already...

[spot35]

Maybe Owen did remember R2 and that's why he was reticent to purchase him at first from the Jawas. After the bad motivator flared up, he was left with no choice and he decided to take the risk that Luke wouldn't find out about his past. When R2 decided to find Obi Wan, he immediately said to get both droids memory erased.

I think you may be right about the unique numbers. In Phantom Menace, the queen asks the droid's number so that implies that they can be uniquely identified through this number.

Re:Opinion:

[JahToasted]

Also look at Samuel L Jackson. Great actor, very charismatic. When he died in Ep. 3, I just didn't care. His character was boring. Boring is not a word I thought I would ever use to describe S. Jackson, but in Star Wars thats the only word that fits. How can someone who is great in every other film (even bit parts like in Jurassic Park) can be so bad in not one, not two, but three Star Wars films?

Nobody was expecting shakepeare, but we were expecting something fun and exciting. These movies were so bad that they made baddest motherfucker in all movies seem boring.

Pull up! All craft, pull up!

[lukedukekiwi]

i shouldnt really be telling you this....but Empiror Lucas released these scenes himself to lure us all into a trap

Not Star Wars

[SethJohnson]

I sometimes wonder if they don't purposefully create scenes with the intent of only putting them into a DVD release to entice people to buy them.

Living in the post-Jar-Jar world we find ourselves in, it's going to take a lot more than extra scenes to entice me to rent a Star Wars DVD. Like maybe if they mislabelled it Kung Fu Hustle .

Seth

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[kindbud]

My theory? This apparent contradiction in plotlines may have been why Lucas
cut the scene of Yoda peacefully arriving on Dagobah.

Your theory is that George Lucas (a) recognized a continuity error and then (b) decided to eliminate it from the film? I ain't buying it. Neither of those things have ever happened before, and it's very unlikely that both would occur for the first time together.

Just release it ONE time!

[Dutchmaan]

Ya know.. I don't really advocate piracy, but sometimes it's hard to not justify it when studio's release and re-release and re-re-release the same material with "bonus features" when you know damn well they could have released it that way from the start.

I for one, buy a DVD once and just let the super mega bonus packs with deleted scenes fall by the wayside. But one has to see that this is nothing more than a milking scheme companies use on the public... but I have friends who will buy all three..because they feel they "have to".. Ironically, these friends also do the pirating.

Re:Just release it ONE time!

[Anonymous Brave Guy]

I have a much simpler approach. I don't believe in infringing copyright (regardless of my contempt for certain organisations that rely on it) so I buy DVDs, but only those I actually want. If I go to the DVD store looking for a particular film, I will buy a DVD containing that film and nothing else.

What I won't do is pay 150% of the usual price for a DVD set with the film I want and some other tenuously connected film I don't. An unwelcome recent trend has been stocking only the latter, which is resulting in a rapid switch to purchasing from on-line vendors with the exact DVD I want rather than local stores in my case.

Re:Slashdot calendar

[TrappedByMyself]

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu September 29, 12:12
when it's released next month.
Episode III comes out on DVD November 1st

Don't worry, it will fix itself when they repeat the story in 2 days.

No shit.

[MsGeek]

"Clone Wars" was easily the best element of all the Prequel releases. I find it interesting that "Animatrix" kicked ass over the two Matrix sequels, "Clone Wars" outclassed the Prequels, and "Dark Fury," a "Chronicles of Riddick" prequel directed by "Aeon Flux" creator Peter Chung, was infinitely better than either "Chronicles" or the original movie "Pitch Black."

What should "The Industry" take from this? Perhaps a great deal of talent can be found in the animation community, and perhaps the medium itself should be reconsidered as fare for adults as well as children. Certainly animation is now about as expensive as live action and possibly less expensive when you consider the cost of elaborate "event" movies that are half CGI anyway.

However, this would mean that "The Industry" should also cast off another assumption: that people will not sit and watch drawn traditional animation anymore. "Clone Wars" was not only drawn animation, it was beautifully stylized and designed drawn animation. "Animatrix" had CGI segments, true, but some of the most striking shorts in the "Animatrix" collection were 2D, like "Kid's Story" and "Detective Story" by Watanabe Shinichiro, and "Beyond" by Morimoto Koji. "Dark Fury" was 2D with 3D elements.

Will "The Industry" ever "get it" about animation? I don't know. It doesn't look so good. "Corpse Bride" was very poorly promoted, and looks like it won't make back its investment. The coming "Wallace and Gromit" movie has recognizable characters going for it, but its essential Britishness might relegate it to a niche audience in the US. And "Chicken Little?" What I saw of it looked good, but Pixar needn't sweat Disney taking its crown as the domestic leader in CGI. The stuff I have heard of several rewrites and story changes makes me think that Disney doesn't "get" the reason why Pixar's movies are so good: they are story-driven, not merchandising-driven.

Re:old n' busted : pirates -- ninjas are future-pr

[cloudmaster]

Their suits had to be made slightly more breathable.

Bai Ling anyone... There are more scenes missing

[technoextreme]

What happened to her??? She was supposed to be in the movie until she possed in playboy.

Caption, anyone?

[sunwolf]

This is just begging for a caption.

Anakin: Not like wet!
Obi-wan: Shut up and tread water, monkey child! Er...Chosen one.

Wow...

[phud]

several deleted scenes included ... one that depicts General Grievous actually dispatching a Jedi Knight (something we didn't even see in the theatrical release) You mean there's a deleted scene we didn't see in the theatre? I'm stunned. What's next? A director's cut with scenes that weren't in the movie?

Now if we can get the real dialog ...

[schwit1]

instead of the saturday morning cartoon version seen at the theaters. No offense to saturday morning cartoons.

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[Trogre]

Except that the novels aren't canon. Lucas authorizes them but he isn't dictated to by them.

Unless you still believe Boba Fett's real name is Jaster Merell.

Nonetheless they're still a fun read.

The rape of Jar-jar

[7Prime]

Also included is a scene of Mace Windu raping Jar-jar:

"Massa! Massa Windu, p-p-pleeeeze! I be good! I be good li'l Gungan, I be good! Don' hurt me, Massa! I be good!"

Sorry, I can't think of anything more un-PC, but I just had to do it.

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[Fallingcow]

Funny, I consider Eps 1-3 non-canonical :)

The SW franchise has never attracted the best authors, but has had several decent ones, and all but the worst of them are better than Lucas. He really should have gotten some help on the scripts for the prequils.

Re:Opinion:

[Anonymous Brave Guy]

Ewan McGregor was about the only talented actor in Eps 1-3 who actually pulled it off, and even he was really blunted.

That's a bit harsh, IMHO. Liam Neeson and Ian McDiarmid both did well, for example. It's just that several of the leads, such as the Anakins and Padmes of the universe, couldn't really keep up. It also didn't help that the script wasn't strong, and even managed to make Samuel L. Jackson not look universally cool -- "This party's over!" -- ?!

A deathstar perhaps?

[Ropati]

What????

A mothballed deathstar,
a big picture on a skyhook or a mass hallucination?

We never put a man on
the moon ya know.

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[tourvil]

Why the hell was Luke seeking another Master?

He was seeking another master to train Leia's twins. Luke was afraid that he would fail in training them, like Obi-wan did with Anakin.

I re-read the trilogy after Ep 3 came out, and while it wasn't as good as I remembered it (from when I was in high school), I still thought it was a pretty good story over all. Actually, my biggest complaint was with most of the names of people, places, etc in the series. Why do some sci-fi/fantasy writers feel that making proper names completely unpronounceable is the only way to make them seem "alien"?

International Move Like a Ninja Day - YES!

[MooseByte]

"What would it be, International Move Like a Ninja Day?"

Yes! I'd give up my 401k to see everyone around my office move like a ninja for a day! Well OK, they'd all end up looking like the Star Wars kid but somehow that would make it even better.

Watching the tense action around the box of meeting donuts alone would be worth it.

Re:Why the Yoda/Dagobah Scene May Have Been Delete

[Brendor]

None of the Thrawn books took place prior to ROTJ. Lucas knew he wanted to keep his options open for the prequels and made demands of Zahn's story reflecting this.

That said, I agree with the parent that the encounter at the cave portrayed by Zahn does not necessarily contradict these deleted scenes I have not seen. Heres part of an Interview where TZ goes into some detail

The two guidelines I was given at the beginning were: I was to start three to five years after ROTJ, and I could use any character who had not been killed off in the movies. It was very, very open. When I submitted the outline, we found a few other walls: I could not do detailed references to the Clone Wars era. I had a sort of history of the Clone Wars set up because at that time I didn't know he (George Lucas) was going to go back and do more movies, so I thought that was opened at length as well, but it turned out it wasn't. Various other things: Joruus C'baoth was originally an insane clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi and they wouldn't let me do that. And I would run into minor walls here and there . . ." from this interview (February 2000, by Chris Knight)

Re:Opinion:

[localman]

I don't think the acting was any better in Episodes 4-6. The difference was that we were not yet jaded by the setting and story.

No no... I hear this come up as the explanation over and over, but I just don't buy it.

You should watch the casting auditions for Ep IV (there's a bittorrent around somewhere). I'll just mention one thing that stood out to me: Harrison Ford.

In the auditions they're using an early version of the script that includes the line from Luke to Han "They'll never get any information out of her! She's a member of the royal family... she knows the art of 'mind control'". The line is terribly stupid, and it sounds stupid when every actor trying out for Luke says it. And every actor trying out for Han sounds stilted afterwards as they reply.

But Harrison Ford does something great: before he says his next line he mutters "mind control" under his breath and rolls his eyes. It totally sells the scene. Suddenly, instead of a stupid script that jolts the viewer out the moment, Ford turns it into "naive Luke" and "streetwise Han", and the line actually works. And it wasn't even his line! He fixed the script with a little flourish in his response!

That is the difference a good actor can make.

If you watch the rest of the audition reel it's pretty apparent that Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammill are much better than the rest too. The rest read like Portman & Christiansen.

And no offense to them, they've both done great work elsewhere. But under George Lucas you have to have a certain type of skill.

Cheers.

Re:Opinion:

[AaronLawrence]

To be fair: I thought the same thing having seen the prequels and Life as a House.

However, in Shattered Glass he shows different attributes. I still think he is somewhat stilted (not completely convincing) but he is certainly not a whiny goth brat.